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Old 09-07-2014, 08:00 AM   #1
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The better guitar to save for (ltd ec models)

Okay so , I have been looking at replacing my quite bad les paul copy with a proper les paul style guitar and from what I have read the LTD EC models are the best bang for buck , i was looking at an epiphone les paul standard and a prophecy ex but apparently they are touch and go in terms of quality. (if you know if thats just hyperbole stemming from early models then do tell)

So i want a guitar with emgs mainly because i want this guitar to be my main metal/hard rock guiar so I want that nice chug and awesome squeals you get from high output pickups. But at the same time i'm consdering dumping out whaterever comes in the guitar with the het set due to them being a more dynamic active pickup.

Any way i've been looking at these two:

http://www.thomann.de/ie/esp_ltd_ec401_vintage_black.htm

http://www.thomann.de/ie/esp_ltd_ec1000_vbk.htm

which is the best choice really ?

I can't buy used due to the used market here in Ireland being worse than buying new as people want pretty much what they paid for it even if the guitar is not even worth it anymore. Trying them out isn't possible either as while my local shop here in Cork stocks ESP you have to pay to get anything brought in that they don't have in the shop and usually its full price. They don't stock either of these models and I don't have 1400 quid laying around.

So any advice here? BTW I want a les paul not something else .
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Old 09-07-2014, 08:44 AM   #2
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Personally, I don't think the EC-1000 doesn't justify the 220 price difference.
I'd go for the EC-401.

And I agree with what you said in the beginning. If I absolutely had to buy a guitar without trying it first, I'd trust LTD more than Epiphone. LTD guitars are usually very consistent in their quality, while I've seen plenty of brand-new Epiphone guitars for sale that shouldn't even have left the factory.
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Old 09-07-2014, 08:52 AM   #3
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Worth bearing in mind that the Ltd & Epiphone will play completely differently. They may feature a similar body shape, but they're totally different guitars. If you're keen on emg's my choice would be put some in the Epi, as I prefer the feel compared to Ltd. But then again, you never can tell with any guitar..
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Old 09-07-2014, 09:13 AM   #4
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Can you not buy second hand from the UK?

You can get some mega deals on LTDs that way.
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Old 09-07-2014, 09:17 AM   #5
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I got my white LTD EC-1000 a few weeks ago off ebay for a mere $425. Love it and never want to go back to any other LP style. The thing is don't get blinded by one particular guitar you really want. I wanted to get one for $700 at a local pawn shop but somebody bought it before I could save up. Then I searched around online and got it nearly half that price.

LTDs in my opinion are the way to go. You don't have to go with a higher model number though. My friend has an EC-256 and its just as amazing as mine.
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Old 09-07-2014, 09:48 AM   #6
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I have tried a few of the ltd ec models in my local shop and it felt great to me i like the slimmer necks of ltd thats for sure
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Old 09-07-2014, 09:49 AM   #7
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I personally don't trust places like ebay , plus I kinda have pet peeve with pre owned guitars
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Old 09-07-2014, 10:00 AM   #8
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There's a real danger there, while you can get an awesome deal you also risk being ripped off or having a broken instrument come to you. And I won't buy pre owned unless I can try it first, that's my main.concern ifbibvuy pre owned.from.the UK I could end up having to get the thing repaires for the money I saved buying it second hand
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Old 09-07-2014, 10:01 AM   #9
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Fair enough mate. In 10 year's I've never had that happen but YMMV.

Personally if you can save for an EC1000... Save the few hundred more and get the ESP Eclipse.

There is a difference and its worth the extra money.
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try andertons.co.uk -- They have good prices and good amounts of used gear in good shape
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Old 09-07-2014, 11:36 AM   #11
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The Epiphone Prophecy guitars are really good value, but a 1000 is better. Get an ESP Eclipse used if at all possible though.
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Old 09-07-2014, 11:40 AM   #12
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Okay so , from what I have read the LTD EC models are the best bang for buck


I dunno -- that may be true in Europe. I'm not sure it gets much traction in the US, where there are a lot more choices.
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Old 09-08-2014, 03:25 AM   #13
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Like I said used market here in Ireland is worthless, everybody believes their guitars hold 99% of.their value like max they'll take off is 100 less than new in most cases.
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Old 09-08-2014, 03:32 AM   #14
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There are just as many choices here as in the Us,if you can think of a brand which is better bang for buck that's great! Of course it is a les paul style guitar that I want already have an ibanez super strat and don't want another strat for a while.
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http://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/elect...=11083111114331

Kind of les Paul'ish...

Ok it's nothing like a LP but it is also MIJ, has stainless steel frets, awesome hardware (tone pros & gotoh) and its cheap.

They also have ones with Ebony boards.

Might be worth a look, they ship to Ireland.
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http://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/elect...=11083111114331

Kind of les Paul'ish...

Ok it's nothing like a LP but it is also MIJ, has stainless steel frets, awesome hardware (tone pros & gotoh) and its cheap.

They also have ones with Ebony boards.

Might be worth a look, they ship to Ireland.



The minute I saw that I just though god that looks horrible , I know guitars are supposed to be bought based on sound more than looks but god that thing is awful. I don't care if it is an evh signature not going near that !
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If I absolutely had to buy a guitar without trying it first, I'd trust LTD more than Epiphone. LTD guitars are usually very consistent in their quality, while I've seen plenty of brand-new Epiphone guitars for sale that shouldn't even have left the factory.

This.

It's embarrassing that certain Epiphone guitars are even sold. It's like a 50/50 as to whether a certain Epiphone is even worth it. What's worse is salesmen at stores like Guitar Center don't know the difference and frequently sell bad Epiphones to ignorant new guitar players.
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