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Old 07-13-2015, 05:17 PM   #1
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Why do Dean's suck at tone? HELP

So I'm shopping for a new guitar and I have fallen in love with this guitar http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guit...electric-guitar I REALLY like the V neck profile of Deans. The problem is that every review/demo I have found for ANY Dean guitar has been completely awful in terms of tone, even with a good amp.

My question is this, do Deans just have bad stock pickups? If I switch out the pickups for Dimarzios, will the guitar sound like a freaking dream? Or will it just sound like a crappy guitar with hot pickups?
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Old 07-13-2015, 05:20 PM   #2
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Relatively little about the way a guitar's sound is determined by the guitar itself. There are far more significant factors such as the amp and the way it is set up. And that is especially true in youtube videos were reviewers are generally very limited in terms of recording equipment and the time it takes to mic up a cabinet properly.

With that said, I do agree that loads of the Dimebag Deans suck tonally, and it's because of those horrible Dimebucker pickups they keep using.
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Old 07-13-2015, 05:47 PM   #3
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So you are saying that if I just change the pickups it will be good?
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Old 07-13-2015, 05:50 PM   #4
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Where are you finding these reviews/demos? Youtube?

If indeed the pickups aren't good, that's not a biggie since those can easily be replaced.
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Old 07-13-2015, 05:51 PM   #5
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I have a Dean Dime with OBL Pickups. They really make a difference. I have a Washburn N24 with OBL Pickups, same story. The weakest link in the chain will define your tone and if the pups suck you might start there!
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Old 07-13-2015, 07:47 PM   #6
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At the risk of being a wet blanket, I have played quite a few Dean guitars and I never found one I liked. Not one. They do look pretty cool but I couldn't get the mojo I needed. It's a very personal choice though so trust your hands and your ears as well as your eyes.
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Old 07-13-2015, 10:07 PM   #7
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cause most cheap deans are terrible qaulity...market for high end deans is in the crapper in recent times
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Old 07-14-2015, 06:56 AM   #8
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Dean guitars are known for having shit pickups in most models. If you like the feel of the guitar a pickup swap should help you out.

What amp are you using and what sound do you want? the amp is immensely important, more so than the pickups for your overall tone/sound
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Old 07-15-2015, 12:12 AM   #9
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At the risk of being a wet blanket, I have played quite a few Dean guitars and I never found one I liked. Not one. They do look pretty cool but I couldn't get the mojo I needed. It's a very personal choice though so trust your hands and your ears as well as your eyes.


+1 i feel the same. they just don't feel right with me. no mojo. i have played quite a few. i liked one. but, i liked another guitar (at the time) better and cheaper. they aren't overly cheap either.

the dime models are exponentially worse.

i just don't like them
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Old 07-15-2015, 09:29 AM   #10
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I have had a few Dean's, a VX cheapo that was originally my son's I still have it and it is very mediocre despite having some nice Bill and Becky (Bill Lawrence) L500XL pups in it, it sounds good but playing is just meh. I also had a DIME DB Razorback, I got it cheap and thought it looked great but the build quality was not too impressive , I sold it after deciding to not waste any money on upgrades. I currently have a very nice MIK Dean Splittail that I grabbed used and for a good price, it has the V shaped neck profile, solid mahogany body and neck, the neck is set and has very nice binding and exceptional fretwork, it has a Floyd Rose Original and just plays like a dream. It came stock with Dean USA Time Capsule pickups (their version of the PAF) and I quickly replaced them with a JB/JM combo. Being made in USA I had hoped the Dean pups would sound good but they were extremely dirty sounding and had to go.

Here is a pic in this shot it is stock, before I had put the Duncan's in it.

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Old 07-15-2015, 11:33 AM   #11
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Old 07-15-2015, 12:05 PM   #12
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Dean guitars are known for having shit pickups in most models. If you like the feel of the guitar a pickup swap should help you out.


I'm a happy owner of 2 Deans, and I agree with this.

Find a Dean you like the looks and feel of
Swap pickups as needed
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Old 07-15-2015, 11:36 PM   #13
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Sorry to join the wet blanket party (but a real wet blanket party sounds interesting..) but man I've always hated Deans. I've tested many, even high-end ones but they just seem clunky. No disrespect for those who like them; I haven't played every model and my personal preference is just that.

Anyway I recommend actually playing a Dean before buying if possible.

Edit: oh hell, if I'm gonna bash em I might as well have my full say. Those Dean headstocks have got to be the biggest division point for potential customers. I'm not a big guy so having that huge headstock on a (usually pretty meaty Dean guitar) would look awkward for me at least. Dimebag's big paws can compensate for it but if you're not a bearlike man, it's gonna look silly

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Sorry to join the wet blanket party (but a real wet blanket party sounds interesting..) but man I've always hated Deans. I've tested many, even high-end ones but they just seem clunky. No disrespect for those who like them; I haven't played every model and my personal preference is just that.

Anyway I recommend actually playing a Dean before buying if possible.

Edit: oh hell, if I'm gonna bash em I might as well have my full say. Those Dean headstocks have got to be the biggest division point for potential customers. I'm not a big guy so having that huge headstock on a (usually pretty meaty Dean guitar) would look awkward for me at least. Dimebag's big paws can compensate for it but if you're not a bearlike man, it's gonna look silly


My Splittail is very lightweight the body is huge but thin like an SG and mahogany, the action is low and it plays great nothing clunky about it, I do agree that most Dean's are clunky I guess I got lucky. Also I love the V headstock but the headstock on the Razorbacks are frightening for sure.
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Old 07-16-2015, 03:12 PM   #15
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agree. the nicer more expensive versions of their older models were actually pretty decent i thought. dime models don't interest me and the few i tried confirmed that repeatedly. maybe they sound awesome thru one of those SS amps he used to use but not thru the amps i demo guitars on. actualy the michael schenker sig V i tried sounded really good and so did the leslie west model. doubt i'd buy either guitar but they wee pretty good.

dean sufferes from the same issue that BC Rich does in that they made a ton of crappy guitars in the 90s thru early 2000s and even though they've stepped it some the memory of the past lives on and haunts them. that and most of the guitar models are geared toward metal and nothing else.
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The Dean Hard-tail was a kickass guitar, but they were way over priced, $1999 for the USA model I played.
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looks like a solid guitar. probably would need better pickups.
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