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Old 08-28-2014, 06:20 PM   #1
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Looking to get a 7 string, ESP vs. Ibanez vs. Schecter

So i really want a 7 string. My budget is 1000 or under, and I play prog metal. I was first pretty much set on getting the RGIX27FEQM (Ibanez rg iron label). I love the finish, and that it comes with EMGs. The shop near me has them in stock, so I was going to try one out and compare to the S series (lighter weight and mahogony) before making a decision.

However, just stumbled upon the ESP LTD H-1007. Basically all the same specs plus its mahogony and has a through neck. Also love the finish.

The Schecter KM 7 is cool too.

Only problem is my shop doesnt have the schecters or ESPs in stock, so I cant try them out in person. Any opinions/suggestions on where to go with this?
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:10 PM   #2
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I'd personally go with the Ibanez, but that's just me.
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:41 PM   #3
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Trying an Iron Label out in a shop may not be of much benefit. It won't be setup and it will make or break that guitar.

I'd go KM 7. You can always ship it back if you order online.

The shop will also order one for you. They want your business.
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:59 PM   #4
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Thanks for the suggestion. Trying it out int he shop is more for the feel of the guitar and neck rather than the sound, though. I'm really liking the LTD, but I'm more concerned about the fatness of the neck compared to the Ibanez. It's already a jump from 6 to 7 strings, so the neck comfort is a concern for me
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Old 08-28-2014, 08:06 PM   #5
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The width of the fretboard increases, but it doesn't necessarily mean the actual neck will be any thicker. It will vary from brand to brand.
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Old 08-28-2014, 08:09 PM   #6
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Ibanez thin, LTD medium, Schecter thick (this is going on previous 6 string necks)

My RGIR27FE is thinner than my LTD MH400NT, (obvs one is a 6 and the other a 7) Its pretty easy to jump from the 6 to the 7 and back again though.

Tbh i cant feel much difference in thickness between my ibby and LTD.

Out the three id say ibby or LTD. (never got on with schecters, i know they both come from the same factory though)
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Old 08-28-2014, 08:30 PM   #7
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RG: 19 - 21mm

KM: 19 - 20mm

The actual shape of the neck will vary as well.




Also, I'm gonna throw this in here. Maybe you're interested in it. Maybe not.

http://www.espguitars.com/products/9444-sct-607b
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Old 08-28-2014, 09:05 PM   #8
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Also, I'm gonna throw this in here. Maybe you're interested in it. Maybe not.

http://www.espguitars.com/products/9444-sct-607b



Next guitar on my list is that LTD you linked Lemur. Great to play.
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Definitely my next 7.
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RG: 19 - 21mm

KM: 19 - 20mm

The actual shape of the neck will vary as well.




Also, I'm gonna throw this in here. Maybe you're interested in it. Maybe not.

http://www.espguitars.com/products/9444-sct-607b


Damn, so the KM7 actually has a thinner neck (by 1mm lol) Wish I could find dimensions for the LTD cause that is my top choice so far. Sucks I cant try one out in person, though.
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Old 08-28-2014, 09:44 PM   #11
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Another thing to consider is scale length. The Ibanez and LTD are 25.5" and the Schecter is 26.5", so on the Schecter the frets will be a bit wider and further apart.

I think the LTD will have the thickest neck of the 3, but not my much. The Ibanez feels thinner in the hand, however, because the Wizard neck is a soft D shape while LTD and Schecter use a C shape.
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Personally I'd go for the KM7 because I generally adore this guitar, but then I'd also say the scale length is a plus (unless you never ever plan to go below B standard, it's probably going to be better since it's going to hold tune better and feel tighter overall, but still not full-on long baritone).

The pickups are also a big question, whether you prefer passive or active. I've heard pretty much only good things about the Nazgul/Sentient combo and all the recordings I've heard definitely agree with this sentiment, but this is up to you.
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Old 08-29-2014, 12:54 AM   #13
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I'll recommend a Schecter. I've played tons of them, and love them all. The KM7 in particular is an absolute beast. That's my next guitar, whenever I get the money together. Keith Merrow recently sold one of his $6000+ Custom guitars over facebook because according to him, "I just don't play it anymore. I love my KM7s THAT much".
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Old 08-29-2014, 01:42 AM   #14
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Personally I'd go for the KM7 because I generally adore this guitar, but then I'd also say the scale length is a plus (unless you never ever plan to go below B standard, it's probably going to be better since it's going to hold tune better and feel tighter overall, but still not full-on long baritone).

The pickups are also a big question, whether you prefer passive or active. I've heard pretty much only good things about the Nazgul/Sentient combo and all the recordings I've heard definitely agree with this sentiment, but this is up to you.


I actually plan to play in drop A most of the time. You think that will make a difference if im playing a 25.5?

The reason I ask is because 1. i prefer active pickups and 2. i have pretty small hands lol. Bigger frets may not be ideal
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25.5 is fine for Drop A. Just need proper gauges to maintain tension.

I believe the KM 7's stock tuning is Drop A.
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Old 08-29-2014, 02:48 AM   #16
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25.5 is fine for Drop A. Just need proper gauges to maintain tension.

I believe the KM 7's stock tuning is Drop A.


Na, they come with a standard EB 7 string slinky set, in standard B. But drop A is just the drop D of the 7 string. Just fine with standard strings, but some would certainly like to go a little heavier, just for the tight chugs.
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Na, they come with a standard EB 7 string slinky set, in standard B. But drop A is just the drop D of the 7 string. Just fine with standard strings, but some would certainly like to go a little heavier, just for the tight chugs.


Agree with this,

And if you did go for the ibanez, a 707 in the bridge is a stupid choice imo.
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25.5 is fine for Drop A. Just need proper gauges to maintain tension.

I believe the KM 7's stock tuning is Drop A.

In theory yes, but I also play in drop A on a 26.5" Schecter, and it takes a .064 to get a reasonable tension for me in A (well, .062 is also passable) and the bridge is set all the way back for the 7th string for the right intonation, so I'm not sure what things would look like on a shorter scale. I guess 25.5" may still work, but A is the absolute borderline.

And yes, just looking at the strings it appears the KM7 setup for drop A indeed (also Keith Merrow's usual tuning and string gauges as far as I know).
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I intonated a low G on my 25.5". It will be fine. You're worrying too much.
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Not saying it can't work, just that 26.5" is safer. (I wouldn't hesitate in this case personally, and even though my hands are fairly small I feel perfectly comfortable with 26.5".)
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