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Old 05-27-2015, 01:04 PM   #1
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I play classic rock to hard rock and some metal. I love the idea of a Floyd Rose Tremolo but don't know if I want to deal with the hardships of set-up or tuning. What do you folks think?

all input is appreciated.

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Old 05-27-2015, 01:13 PM   #2
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I vote for a tremolo. You can always immobilize it if you don't want to use it, and to make setup easier. And when you want to use it, it's there.
Another advantage is the locking nut. It...locks, and it also lets you easily clean and see what the heck is going in with it and it's easier to replace
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Old 05-27-2015, 02:11 PM   #3
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Old 05-27-2015, 02:16 PM   #4
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They're not that hard to set up, if you know what you're doing. Look into what's actually involved in setting it up, then decide if you can handle it. Floyds aren't as difficult as people believe, but you need to know where you're at. Judging by your gear you probably know your way around a guitar somewhat, so for a Floyd there's only so much extra you need to learn.

As the first reply says, you can immobilise a Floyd, and if you do so they really do make the ideal hardtail.
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Old 05-27-2015, 02:21 PM   #5
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Id say that unless you really want one and know what you wanna do with it, you dont get it. Sure, you can imobilize it, but its still a hassle. I'm never getting a guitar with one again. This is my opinion at least.
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Old 05-27-2015, 02:26 PM   #6
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I play classic rock to hard rock and some metal. I love the idea of a Floyd Rose Tremolo but don't know if I want to deal with the hardships of set-up or tuning. What do you folks think?



There are really no "hardships of set-up or tuning" once you know what you're doing. A couple of lessons, a few tips and a bit of practice, and it really shouldn't take much more time than restringing a standard bridge.
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Old 05-27-2015, 02:36 PM   #7
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I play classic rock to hard rock and some metal. I love the idea of a Floyd Rose Tremolo but don't know if I want to deal with the hardships of set-up or tuning. What do you folks think?

all input is appreciated.

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That's where the Strat-style tremolo comes in - you get a great tremolo without any of the Floyd Rose hassle.

Unless you're really into the Vai and Satriani style tremolo gymnastics, I 'd vote against getting one.
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Old 05-27-2015, 02:52 PM   #8
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If you are going to be sticking with one tuning, or have other guitars you can use for alternative tunings, I'd say go for it.

As for set up, I started to set up mine after deciding I couldn't afford a guitar shops prices to restring and alter the tuning. The first time I altered it from standard to drop d and it took forever to rebalance and set up. After a few times, however, I find I can restring and set up a floating trem in next to no time. If you don't like it down the line, as said before, you can always block it with a bit of wood or a Tremol-No.

I have 5 electrics: 3 with locking tremolos (2 Floyd rose and one Ibanez edge 3) and 2 Strats (one with a blocked 2-point trem, one with a screwed down vintage trem) and for overall feel I prefer the locking trem equipped guitars for their overall smoothness on bends (feels like less resistance). One thing to watch for however, is if you bend multiple strings simultaneously or want to hit an open string while bending (or vibrato-ing) another, the pitch of the open string will change slightly due to the floating nature of the brigde.
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Old 05-27-2015, 03:30 PM   #9
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It's up to you, really. If you don't use one the cons outweigh the pros. If you do, the pros might outweigh the cons.
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Old 05-27-2015, 03:32 PM   #10
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Obviously you're curious about having one and don't so I say buy one. How else will you know? Go for it.
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Old 05-27-2015, 07:22 PM   #11
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If you want to be able to do floyd tricks like divebombs and stuff, then yes, go for it. Just learn how to set it up and it's not really that big of a deal. Pick a string gauge and tuning you like, and stick with them, and it's not an issue at all.
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Old 05-27-2015, 09:42 PM   #12
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Thanks for all the input. I've decided to go for it. My local music shop has a

ESP Ltd EC-1000FR

Great feel, great sound and a Floyd Rose.
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Old 05-28-2015, 03:40 AM   #13
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And, more importantly, it's got a decent quality Floyd. As long as you take care of that knife-edge (loosen the strings and detach the springs before you adjust the action), you'll have a fully functional Floyd for as long as you care to own it. Good luck with it
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Old 05-28-2015, 05:29 AM   #14
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For metal: Don't use one if you don't have too.

If you are playing fast metal then the school of thought I go for is the one Dave Mustaine advocates which is that you shouldn't really need one. Many band's lead guitarists have minimalist guitars. Just a volume knob, trem/bass and nothing else. The idea is that you shouldn't be messing around with buttons, knobs and metal bars, but strumming and fretting. So pedal effects driven whammy is the option here and this isn't a problem since Digitech released the Whammy DT. There are plenty of other options available to whammy too in other advanced foot controllers. I think this is a good school of thought for metal players as its easy to become a whammy player that can't vibrato properly to begin with.

Now if you mean rock, then I can't picture Neil Young without a Bigsy or Jimmy Hendrix without a strat whammy bar. It obviously has its place. Pink Floyd can't be wrong but for metal and faster playing, you can well live without it and play like you got it with the right gear and technique.
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Old 05-28-2015, 01:26 PM   #15
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For metal: Don't use one if you don't have too.

If you are playing fast metal then the school of thought I go for is the one Dave Mustaine advocates which is that you shouldn't really need one. Many band's lead guitarists have minimalist guitars. Just a volume knob, trem/bass and nothing else. The idea is that you shouldn't be messing around with buttons, knobs and metal bars, but strumming and fretting. So pedal effects driven whammy is the option here and this isn't a problem since Digitech released the Whammy DT. There are plenty of other options available to whammy too in other advanced foot controllers. I think this is a good school of thought for metal players as its easy to become a whammy player that can't vibrato properly to begin with.

Now if you mean rock, then I can't picture Neil Young without a Bigsy or Jimmy Hendrix without a strat whammy bar. It obviously has its place. Pink Floyd can't be wrong but for metal and faster playing, you can well live without it and play like you got it with the right gear and technique.


I'll have to disagree with you on that.

A lot of metal bands use Floyd Rose or other kinds of tremolos. Specially for the solos, there's a lot of whammy bar action in heavy metal.

First 4 heavy metal guitarists that are heavy whammy bar users that come into my mind: Dimebag Darrel, Jeff Hanneman, Kerry King and Kirk Hammet.

Dave Mustaine doesn't uses tremolos as you said, but all of the lead guitarists that he had use Floyds.

I play many different kinds of metal (thrash metal, death metal, melodic death metal, prog metal, etc) and I must say I couldn't live without a Floyd Rose. I may be a rhythm player, but when I play leads, it's very useful and it's a must for the kind of music I play.

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^ I don't think marty friedman uses a floyd

other than that I agree, though, they're used a fair bit in metal. of course, if you don't like them then they're not exactly "necessary" for most metal either.
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^ I don't think marty friedman uses a floyd

other than that I agree, though, they're used a fair bit in metal. of course, if you don't like them then they're not exactly "necessary" for most metal either.


Yeah, I wasn't 100% sure when I wrote that. I think I've heard a Megadeth Marty Friedman solo that requires a whammy bar, but I can't remember which it was and I may be wrong.

But the other guitarists that were on Megadeth, I'm 100% that they had Floyd Roses on their guitars.
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If you are playing fast metal then the school of thought I go for is the one Dave Mustaine advocates which is that you shouldn't really need one. Many band's lead guitarists have minimalist guitars. Just a volume knob, trem/bass and nothing else. The idea is that you shouldn't be messing around with buttons, knobs and metal bars, but strumming and fretting. So pedal effects driven whammy is the option here and this isn't a problem since Digitech released the Whammy DT. There are plenty of other options available to whammy too in other advanced foot controllers. I think this is a good school of thought for metal players as its easy to become a whammy player that can't vibrato properly to begin with.

I can't help but find this school of thought kind of silly. Why insist on stripping a guitar of options? I'm pretty sure your average gigging guitarist (yes, even a guitarist) is smart enough to know when to fiddle with switches or whammies and when to play. Refusing to own what is, ultimately, a very effective bridge system purely because it isn't a musical necessity strikes me as illogical. Especially since OP already has at least one hardtail guitar, I can't see a good reason to avoid the Floyd if he's interested in exploring that avenue.

One pickup, one knob guitars are unnecessary for people with regular attention spans unless, like whichever glam rockers used the things, we have absolutely no use whatsoever for the neck pickup.
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Yeah, I wasn't 100% sure when I wrote that. I think I've heard a Megadeth Marty Friedman solo that requires a whammy bar, but I can't remember which it was and I may be wrong.

But the other guitarists that were on Megadeth, I'm 100% that they had Floyd Roses on their guitars.


You may well be right, maybe there is a an odd friedman solo which uses a floyd- just in general (i think ) he normally didn't use a trem.
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i would never get a guitar with a cheap floyd. out of 23 electrics, i only have five with trems. two strats with fender trems, and three ibanez prestiges with GOOD ibanez trems.

IMO you need a good floyd guitar in your arsenal if you don't have to change tunings.

a floyd is fund and can do awesome things if you put time into it.

satch and vai and even dime; all have done things that stand out as being used with trems, that couldn't do it without.

get one if you like it.
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