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Old 11-23-2012, 11:23 AM   #62001
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Owen Jones firing into the idea that "Israel has a right to defend itself from missiles".
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:51 AM   #62002
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Jones had very valid points, but I just didn't like how he came across too left to the point it seemed kind of irrational.
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:00 PM   #62003
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Jones had very valid points, but I just didn't like how he came across too left to the point it seemed kind of irrational.



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Old 11-23-2012, 12:01 PM   #62004
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Much has been made of Owen Jones' performance on QT last night. To my mind he is one of those journalists who has bought into the delusion that his applauded sound bites actually mean something. I despise Tory ideology as much as the next empathetic human but I think it has to be understood that the insidious jiggery pokery that goes on at that level of politics is not threatened in the slightest by wee albeit articulate boys (unless they wore the correct school tie). Up the Anti. Not good enough.
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:06 PM   #62005
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:11 PM   #62006
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I don't know what you're referring to, and I didn't watch that Question Time (will watch it later on iplayer).
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:11 PM   #62007
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:16 PM   #62008
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Owen Jones firing into the idea that "Israel has a right to defend itself from missiles".

but... but... antisemitism and dirty terrorists.
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:35 PM   #62009
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but... but... antisemitism and dirty terrorists.

I like how everyone forgets Arabs are Semites too.
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:50 PM   #62010
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I like how everyone forgets Arabs are Semites too.

They won't let this debate be dictated by things like facts.
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:00 PM   #62011
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:18 PM   #62012
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I like how everyone forgets Arabs are Semites too.

It's a misnomer, but the word antisemitism refers to Jews, not Semites. He used the word correctly.
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Old 11-24-2012, 06:43 AM   #62013
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hopefully that laughing emoticon i posted is ambiguous enough that i can pretend i meant what frenchy said
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:09 AM   #62014
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Why is anyone making a fuss over foster parents who don't believe in multiculturalism having migrant children removed from their care?

Surely that's a win all round.
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:12 AM   #62015
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:19 AM   #62016
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A couple of Foster parents in Rotheram have had children removed from their care. Apparently it was done because they're members of UKIP and so there's a big fuss over it.

But the children are from a migrant background.

So you have Foster parents who are anti-immigration and anti-multicultural fostering migrant kids, who are now complaining because the migrant foster kids have been taken away from them. I don't understand the problem.

The news reader on the BBC News channel was just interviewing Nick Farage who was on a rant about how they're not racist, they just want tighter controls on the borders. So then she asks if he thinks that the children should be here in the first place and he stopped in his tracks then made up some BS about not knowing the specifics of the case.
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:26 AM   #62017
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It's entirely possible to be a member of UKIP and disagree with their policies on multiculturalism.

It's also entirely possible for the foster family to take care of the children perfectly well despite their anti-multiculturalism views (should they even have them).
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:31 AM   #62018
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It's pretty difficult to be a member of UKIP and not be at least somewhat anti-immigration.

And the council has already said that the decision was made on an individual basis rather than having a blanket ban on UKIP foster parents.
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:38 AM   #62019
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It's pretty difficult to be a member of UKIP and not be at least somewhat anti-immigration.
Not impossible, though. It's also possible to be anti-immigration without being racist.

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And the council has already said that the decision was made on an individual basis rather than having a blanket ban on UKIP foster parents.
I wasn't aware of this bit (although I would have probably guessed so). It changes a lot.
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:16 AM   #62020
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ah thanks for the info Lemoninfluence but I meant I was sorta confused by your post, not over what was going on (I sorta read it quickly and then realised I had read it wrongly ). Sorry about that.

+1 on what frenchy's saying, basically. if they've been taken away because they're ukip, that's ridiculous. if it's to do with something specific, that may be different.
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