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Old 01-13-2013, 07:23 AM   #62001
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He stands against capitalism and look what that has got him. now they don't have cancer medicineand food there.

He's being treated in Cuba, well known for being a paragon of capitalism.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:36 PM   #62002
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He's being treated in Cuba, well known for being a paragon of capitalism.


Actually, from what I heard recently, Cuba is starting to slowly introduce some capitalist principles into their economy. They are starting to move away from communism, but in baby steps.

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Old 01-14-2013, 01:21 PM   #62004
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He's being treated in Cuba, well known for being a paragon of capitalism.

And that's why he is dying.

Socialists, how do they work?

edit: Also he had to go to another country to get treatment? That just proves my point.
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Old 01-14-2013, 01:24 PM   #62005
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Old 01-14-2013, 06:15 PM   #62006
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And that's why he is dying.

Socialists, how do they work?

edit: Also he had to go to another country to get treatment? That just proves my point.


Venezuela's still a poor country, and decades of exploitative autocracies have left their mark on public services. Even if Chavez had been perfect (which he isn't), there would still be issues with healthcare. Cuba has been famous for the quality of its healthcare relative to its wealth for decades.

Do you even know anything about Latin America?


@Dready - interesting, thanks for sharing. Wonder what the French have set as their "endgame". Mali's a big country, I wonder if they have the appetite to really "chase them out.""
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Old 01-14-2013, 06:25 PM   #62007
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Would you rather have "the West go into Mali" or Al Qaeda gain control of it?
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Old 01-14-2013, 06:28 PM   #62008
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Would you rather have "the West go into Mali" or Al Qaeda gain control of it?

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Old 01-14-2013, 06:40 PM   #62009
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Kinda missin' the point I was making. I was just making an arbitrary comment.

but srsly Al Qu'ida are barely a thing any more, surely.

I mean, srsly, I don't know the full situation but are you saying a terrorist organisation is trying to seize control of Mali?


Not Al Qaeda per se, similarly ****nutty bastards though. TBH, I don't see why people are either a) surprised, or b) particularly opposed. France had a few hundred soldiers in the capital, along with, I believe, 6,000 French citizens. There's a significant Malian community in France itself. Were they just meant to let the rebels take the capital?
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Old 01-14-2013, 06:43 PM   #62010
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but srsly Al Qu'ida are barely a thing any more, surely.


They are definitely a thing. Also, quit typing "srsly" instead of seriously.

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I mean, srsly, I don't know the full situation but are you saying a terrorist organisation is trying to seize control of Mali?


A terrorist organization is seizing large amounts of land in Mali.
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Old 01-14-2013, 06:44 PM   #62011
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^^ yeah france doesn't have a reputation for surrendering

















sorry, couldn't resist the joke. it's actually a pretty rubbish joke, i dunno why it started. in the grand scheme of things france has a pretty good record in wars, i think.




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Old 01-14-2013, 06:47 PM   #62012
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Not Al Qaeda per se, similarly ****nutty bastards though. TBH, I don't see why people are either a) surprised, or b) particularly opposed. France had a few hundred soldiers in the capital, along with, I believe, 6,000 French citizens. There's a significant Malian community in France itself. Were they just meant to let the rebels take the capital?

for a communist you sure hate revolution
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Old 01-14-2013, 06:49 PM   #62013
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for a communist you sure hate revolution


Not really a communist anymore, and when the revolution's an Islamist one... yeah.
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I don't think you need to worry about that
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Old 01-14-2013, 06:55 PM   #62015
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Venezuela's still a poor country, and decades of exploitative autocracies have left their mark on public services. Even if Chavez had been perfect (which he isn't), there would still be issues with healthcare. Cuba has been famous for the quality of its healthcare relative to its wealth for decades.

Do you even know anything about Latin America?

Yes ofcourse I know Latin America, we've had a few colonies in there. Also how is me laughing at Venezuela's state of healthcare a sign of me not knowing anything about Latin America? It's a poor dump, with some "socalist countries", some unstable countries, and a fast growing Brasil. See what capitalism does for a country? Brasil: capitalist, growing. Venezuela: socialist, can't afford medicine.

And Cuba being relatively good at healthcare for their income may be true, but that still doesn't change it's relatively crap.
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You know the world can't actually be boiled down to socialist and capitalist? I know it'd suit your stupid black-and-white triumphalism, but the only non-capitalist country in Latin America is Cuba. And their various issues and successes are to do with far more than just the choice between socialism and capitalism.
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:10 PM   #62017
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Maybe has something to do with America's illegal embargo.



lolno it's just cos they're shitty socialists
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:32 PM   #62018
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You know the world can't actually be boiled down to socialist and capitalist? I know it'd suit your stupid black-and-white triumphalism, but the only non-capitalist country in Latin America is Cuba. And their various issues and successes are to do with far more than just the choice between socialism and capitalism.

So you boil everything down to capitalist and non capitalist yourself? Good luck with that preaching mate.

Edit. Wth is your distinction?
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So you boil everything down to capitalist and non capitalist yourself? Good luck with that preaching mate.

Edit. Wth is your distinction?



My point is that you're using countries that aren't socialist to show how shit socialism is. Again, most of Latin America is capitalist. Yet still lots of poverty. Funny that.
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My point is that you're using countries that aren't socialist to show how shit socialism is. Again, most of Latin America is capitalist. Yet still lots of poverty. Funny that.

Prove it. Prove thatthey are more capitalist than socialist.

Editm because government intervention, nepotism, import substitution, export subsidies etc doesn't sound very capitalist to me and yet you blame it on capitalism ecen though socialist parties are in most countries in charge, like in.Venezuela.
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