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Old 02-06-2013, 11:59 AM   #62941
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ah right

still disagree. but hey, i hate freedom, right? your forcing people to be the exact weight you say won't impinge on their freedom to do what they want at all, right?
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:00 PM   #62942
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BMI's a terrible way to gauge how healthy someone is.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:01 PM   #62943
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still disagree. but hey, i hate freedom, right? your forcing people to be the exact weight you say won't impinge on their freedom to do what they want at all, right?

No you don't hate freedom, i was trolling when i was saying everyone hates freedom. I was not trolling when i was saying that this should be mandated. Why should math and humanities be more important then our health and bodies? It doesn't make much sense to me

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Old 02-06-2013, 12:05 PM   #62944
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No you don't hate freedom, i was trolling when i was saying everyone hates freedom. I was not trolling when i was saying that this should be mandated. Why should math and humanities be more important then our health and bodies? It doesn't make much sense to me

Because Math is more important than your body. In every conceivable way.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:06 PM   #62945
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Because Math is more important than your body. In every conceivable way.

You can't build an economy on fitness.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:09 PM   #62946
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No you don't hate freedom, i was trolling when i was saying everyone hates freedom. I was not trolling when i was saying that this should be mandated. Why should math and humanities be more important then our health and bodies? It doesn't make much sense to me


because it's hard to function in a modern society if you can't read and write. yes, it's hard to function in a modern society if you need to be lifted by a crane, but even in our modern society very few people are in that bad of a state. Plus fixing those people would better be achieved by targeting the help directly at them, rather than punishing everyone else. Plus it's a lot easier to get fit yourself than it is to learn to read by yourself.

i just don't see how mandating this stuff is a good idea. obviously it's a good idea to be fit (do as i say, not as i do ), but not being fit (within reason) won't really stop you from getting a job either.
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Because Math is more important than your body. In every conceivable way.

yes, but not so much more that we can completely shirk the responsibilities we have to our bodies. Only a handful of people take care of their bodies in this country. If a person is illiterate everyone freaks out, but if a person is fat than eh whatever. They should be treated the same way.

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No, you you can built a society of elites on fitness. I am kind of an elitist.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:13 PM   #62948
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yes, but not so much more that we can completely shirk the responsibilities we have to our bodies.
You don't have a responsibility to your body. Even if you did, why would you honour it when in the end it's going to screw you over anyway?
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If a person is illiterate everyone freaks out, but if a person is fat than eh whatever. They should be treated the same way.

No they shouldn't.
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because it's hard to function in a modern society if you can't read and write. yes, it's hard to function in a modern society if you need to be lifted by a crane, but even in our modern society very few people are in that bad of a state. Plus fixing those people would better be achieved by targeting the help directly at them, rather than punishing everyone else. Plus it's a lot easier to get fit yourself than it is to learn to read by yourself.

i just don't see how mandating this stuff is a good idea. obviously it's a good idea to be fit (do as i say, not as i do ), but not being fit (within reason) won't really stop you from getting a job either.

That is very true. I think the problem is lack of proper nutrients as children, which of course goes deeper in that people can't afford quality produce. So that if that is the core of the problem, then we need to figure out how to make produce more accessible to people, and how to stop having so much processed foods. But until then, requiring good standards in school is another option.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:14 PM   #62950
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yes, but not so much more that we can completely shirk the responsibilities we have to our bodies. Only a handful of people take care of their bodies in this country. If a person is illiterate everyone freaks out, but if a person is fat than eh whatever. They should be treated the same way.

No, you you can built a society of elites on fitness. I am kind of an elitist.


No, not in any conceivable way. You don't need to be fit to design a rocket engine. You don't need to be fit to be a good investor. You don't need to be fit to design a bridge. I could go on, here, but I sense you still wouldn't get my point.

And your second statement is dangerously close to "master race"-ism.

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That is very true. I think the problem is lack of proper nutrients as children, which of course goes deeper in that people can't afford quality produce. So that if that is the core of the problem, then we need to figure out how to make produce more accessible to people, and how to stop having so much processed foods. But until then, requiring good standards in school is another option.


The problem is a lack of education in nutrition and schools being privatised and open to influence from corporations influencing the school meals.
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You don't have a responsibility to your body. Even if you did, why would you honour it when in the end it's going to screw you over anyway? Categorically not true
No they shouldn't.


If you don't have a responsibility to yourself, what do you have a responsibility to?
I see 1/4 of americans as obese and 1/3 of american children as obese to be a ****ing epidemic.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:18 PM   #62952
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No, not in any conceivable way. You don't need to be fit to design a rocket engine. You don't need to be fit to be a good investor. You don't need to be fit to design a bridge. I could go on, here, but I sense you still wouldn't get my point.

And your second statement is dangerously close to "master race"-ism.



The problem is a lack of education in nutrition and schools being privatised and open to influence from corporations influencing the school meals.

Yes, but poor people can't afford high quality food as well. They need to eat freezer pizzas and fast food, which is very bad for you. We need to get this stuff to be more accessible to everyone.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:19 PM   #62953
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If you don't have a responsibility to yourself, what do you have a responsibility to?
I'm not sure, but I don't see why my body would be the thing I definitely do. To try and ensure the well-being of others wherever I can would probably be the thing I'd pick.
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I agree with probably 75-80% of what macashmack is saying.

"Society of elites" is weird but kids today are undeniably too fat.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:23 PM   #62955
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If you don't have a responsibility to yourself, what do you have a responsibility to?
I see 1/4 of americans as obese and 1/3 of american children as obese to be a ****ing epidemic.

If I can't choose what goes into my own body, and what I do with my own body, then you can stick your "freedom" up your arse.
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I'm not sure, but I don't see why my body would be the thing I definitely do. To try and ensure the well-being of others wherever I can would probably be the thing I'd pick.

I can respect that.

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I agree with probably 75-80% of what macashmack is saying.

"Society of elites" is weird but kids today are undeniably too fat.

Yea i understand where the society of elites might come across as the "master race"ism that Magnus called it but I just highly respect physical excellence and think that it should be more focused on in our society.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:28 PM   #62957
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What we should do is teach kids actually useful things in PE class, like how to exercise and different nutrients and how they affect your body and junk like that, rather than just giving them a ball and letting them piss around for 45 minutes.
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If I can't choose what goes into my own body, and what I do with my own body, then you can stick your "freedom" up your arse.

You have the right to put anything you want with your body, just as long as you stay to a certain standard. Same way you can wear anything you want but you need to cover the genitalia and won't be served without shirts or shoes.
At the very least, don't tell me I have to pay for your health insurance if your overweight and have diabetes.
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I agree completely
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You have the right to put anything you want with your body, just as long as you stay to a certain standard.
So why do you hate freedom?
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So why do you hate freedom?

I said before I was trolling with the freedom thing.
Why do you hate the idea of having the members of our society physically fit?
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