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Old 05-11-2013, 02:33 PM   #63041
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This is of course, a load of shit. The problems associated with heroin addiction are almost all caused by the illegality of the drug, not the drug's psychoactive effects.


That's marijuana. Heroin's a whole different thing.
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:34 PM   #63042
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It stimulates the reward centers of the brain.

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Old 05-11-2013, 02:35 PM   #63043
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Heroin's federal law, though.

And it wouldn't be like that, it would be more like:

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Just in hoods. I could shoop it if I felt like it.



Why do we have those SR-71s if not for that purpose?

I'm just gonna go ahead and put you on ignore now.
You are either a truly special type of idiot or a troll.
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:35 PM   #63044
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That's marijuana. Heroin's a whole different thing.

Nope. From a post I wrote on the topic before:

Opiates like heroin are highly addictive, however the health risks from chronic exposure are remarkably and surprisingly minor. The main direct risks are constipation, pupil restriction, menstrual irregularity, and reduced libido. many opiate addicts have taken pure heroin or morphine for years with no serious ill effects. In fact, opiate addiction is more prevalent amongst doctors, nurses, and dentists than among other professionals (e.g, Brewster, 1986)

"An individual tolerant to and dependant upon an opiate who is socially or financially capable of obtaining an adequate supply of good quality drug, sterile syringes and needles, and other paraphernalia may maintain his or her proper social and occupational functions, remain in fairly good health, and suffer little serious incapacitation as a result of dependence. (Julien, 1981 p.117)One such individual was Dr. William Steward Halsted, one of the founders of Johns Hopkins Medical School and one of the most brilliant surgeons of his day . . . Known as "the father of modern surgery." And yet, during his career he was addicted to morphine, a fact that he was able to keep secret from all but his closest friends. In fact, the only time his habit caused him any trouble was when he was attempting to reduce his dosage (McKim, 1986, p.197)"

Most of the risks of opiate addiction come from the fact that the drug is illegal.


In 1994 the Swiss government took an alternative approach to the problem of heroin addiction - despite substantial opposition from the Swiss public. It established a series of clinics in which, as part of a total treatment package, Swiss heroin addicts could receive heroin injections for a small fee. The Swiss government wisely funded a major research programme to evaluate the clinics (See Gschwend et el., 2002). The results have been uniformly positive: Addicts are no longer a presence in the streets and parks; drug related crime has substantially declined; the physical and social well-being of the addicts has greatly improved; there has been a decrease in heroin use by addicts; and the number of new addicts has declined. (see Brehmer & Iten, 2001; De Preux, Dubois-Arber, & Zobel, 2004; Guttinger et al., 2003; Nordt & Stohler, 2006; Rehm et al., 2001)

There is absolutely no logical reason not to legalise drugs like heroin.
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:39 PM   #63045
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Nope. From a post I wrote on the topic before:

*science BS*

There is absolutely no logical reason not to legalise drugs like heroin.


That's just side-effects. What heroin's supposed to do is bad.
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That's just side-effects. What heroin's supposed to do is bad.

Except, as I pointed out in the post, incredibly successful people have been opioid addicts. Your characterisation that opiates make someone not want to accomplish anything is ridiculous and such a massive oversimplification of how the brain works that it's somewhat mind boggling.

Allow me to re quote to you the sentence in question

"An individual tolerant to and dependant upon an opiate who is socially or financially capable of obtaining an adequate supply of good quality drug, sterile syringes and needles, and other paraphernalia may maintain his or her proper social and occupational functions, remain in fairly good health, and suffer little serious incapacitation as a result of dependence. (Julien, 1981 p.117)
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:45 PM   #63047
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Except, as I pointed out in the post, incredibly successful people have been opioid addicts. Your characterisation that opiates make someone not want to accomplish anything is ridiculous and such a massive oversimplification of how the brain works that it's somewhat mind boggling.

Allow me to re quote to you the sentence in question

"An individual tolerant to and dependant upon an opiate who is socially or financially capable of obtaining an adequate supply of good quality drug, sterile syringes and needles, and other paraphernalia may maintain his or her proper social and occupational functions, remain in fairly good health, and suffer little serious incapacitation as a result of dependence. (Julien, 1981 p.117)





That person's an idiot.

Or maybe a yokel.

All I know is that's false.
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:47 PM   #63048
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That person's an idiot.

Or maybe a yokel.

All I know is that's false.

Riiiiight, well he's a published writer on the subject. You're a guy asking me to believe it's false on your intuition. Guess who people will side with
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:53 PM   #63049
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That person's an idiot.

Or maybe a yokel.

All I know is that's false.

3 people actually, the reference only mentions the main author.


Robert M. Julien, M.D., received his M.S. and Ph.D. in Pharmacology from the University of Washington and his Medical Degree from the University of California at Irvine. His many research articles focus on the psychopharmacology of sedative and antiepileptic drugs. Previously an Associate Professor of Pharmacology and Anesthesiology at the Oregon Health Sciences University, he currently practices anesthesiology in Portland, Oregon.

Claire D. Advokat, professor of psychology at LSU, received her Ph.D. from Rutgers University. Her primary interest is in understanding the clinical effectiveness and the mechanism of action of drugs used in the treatment of mental illness, such as the antipsychotics, antidepressants, mood stabilizers, and anxiolytics.

Joseph Comaty, Adjunct Professor at LSU, received his Ph.D. in clinical psychology from Rosalind Franklin University of Science and Medicine. His primary area of research is clinical psychopharmacology. In particular, he is interested in the study of the clinical treatment for the major psychiatric disorders of schizophrenia, major depression, and bipolar disorder.




The book itself is a major textbook in the field, not some crackpot book.

"A complete, unbiased, and professional review of psychoactive drugs."--"American Journal of Psychiatry

http://www.amazon.com/Primer-Drug-A...n/dp/1429233435

Consider that you might not know more than doctors, Ph.Ds, and professional researchers in psychopharmacology.
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:57 PM   #63050
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Book smarts and street smarts are two different things. A 'published author' on the subject cannot possibly know what's going on in the street-world.
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:59 PM   #63051
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Book smarts and street smarts are two different things. A 'published author' on the subject cannot possibly know what's going on in the street-world.

Except you're making claims about what goes on in the brain.

Also, they can look at what goes on on "the streets". That's what research entails.
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Old 05-11-2013, 03:01 PM   #63052
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Except you're making claims about what goes on in the brain.

Also, they can look at what goes on on "the streets". That's what research entails.


Then you must have not read the whole book. Those quotes must have omitted a lot of that effects stuff.
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Then you must have not read the whole book. Those quotes must have omitted a lot of that effects stuff.

I've read the book, and many others besides. I have a degree in Psychology, psychopharmacology was essentially my favourite part.

The general opinion in the field is that liberalisation of the laws would do massive good for heroin addicts. The problem simply isn't the drug itself, people can, and do, live normal lives while using. The problem is that when you criminalise the drug you make criminals of the users and prevent them from functioning normally as a result.
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But he's got street smarts, much more valuable than a silly degree.
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Book smarts and street smarts are two different things. A 'published author' on the subject cannot possibly know what's going on in the street-world.

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Old 05-11-2013, 03:12 PM   #63057
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Not sure if you guys could tell if I was trolling,


in our defence, it's really, really, really, really hard to tell whether you're trolling or not. poe's law.

in light of your more recent posts, I'm gonna say you're a troll.

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Meh, everyone's got to learn dude. This information is in direct contradiction to the information he's being told in school and by every authority figure. I went through the same brainwashing, and I'd have been very dubious of some dude on the internet telling me different too.
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Meh, everyone's got to learn dude. This information is in direct contradiction to the information he's being told in school and by every authority figure. I went through the same brainwashing, and I'd have been very dubious of some dude on the internet telling me different too.

If it's on the internet it must be true.
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