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Old 02-17-2013, 12:52 PM   #63121
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Oh, this guy... I'm pretty sure that he doesn't take seriously 90% of stuff that he's saying. Actually most Russians don't take him seriously too.

Sad thing though that I still had to vote for that guy during the last parliament's election cause the alternatives were Putin's party, communists party and those guys that won't reach 5% barrier anyway.

His quote is being printed as fact in newspapers around the world. The guy is an idiot.
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Old 02-17-2013, 06:27 PM   #63122
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:01 AM   #63123
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His quote is being printed as fact in newspapers around the world. The guy is an idiot.

I recall the time when he said that Russia will shift earth's axis to punish America for Iraq invasion. Really, the guy is a joke, yet he managed to stay in politics as a leader of popular political party since 1990.

Surprisingly there are some talented individuals that beat him in the stupidity contest. One of them, being the member of Putin's party "United Russia" and member of the parliament said that most of his colleagues are controlled by United States, as well Russian mass-media. So it is actually Putin who suffers from lack of media freedom in Russia.
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:46 PM   #63124
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Bolivia just renationalised some of their airports, following on from nationalising four power generators.

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Old 02-24-2013, 12:12 PM   #63125
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David Cameron is a direct descendant of a man who made millions in slavery.

How apt that he should invent workfare.
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Old 02-24-2013, 01:28 PM   #63126
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:00 PM   #63127
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Why is nationalizing airports cool?

I'm a socialist, go figure.
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:03 PM   #63128
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^^ because i don't want a french-speaking airport in the UK? "l'aéroport"? what the hell is that?

also i saw in the news the other day that some anti-crime campaign group claimed that community service orders weren't working because some really high percentage of prisoners had previously had one. I facepalmed a lot, it reminded me of the whole "marijuana should be banned because 99% of heroin users start on marijuana" silly argument.

Now- they may well not be working, but if they're not, that statistic tells you jack shit. what you need is how many people with community service orders go on to be imprisoned.

gah.

EDIT: plus it's even more silly than that... for the drugs one, they conveniently never extend that line of thinking to alcohol. ditto with imprisoning, I could claim that letting people be free before committing a crime doesn't work because 100% of prisoners were previously free.
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:35 PM   #63129
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Why is nationalizing airports cool?

Most airports are already government agencies.
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:44 PM   #63130
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costs less for peasants to use
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:10 PM   #63131
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David Cameron is a direct descendant of a man who made millions in slavery.

How apt that he should invent workfare.


David Cameron invented that? I remember Bill Clinton had a workfare policy set up in the mid 90's.
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:11 PM   #63132
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David Cameron invented that? I remember Bill Clinton had a workfare policy set up in the mid 90's.

Well maybe "invent" is the wrong word. "Introduced"?
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Oh ok. Yeah, that stuff is criminal. They did a study on it and basically if you hire those on workfare, you get the same worker-hours but you only have to pay them about 1/3 of what you normally have to, because they only get the equivalent of a welfare check as salary.

EDIT: I forgot which field of work they were looking at, I could've sworn it was transit authority of some city or the other though.
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:58 PM   #63134
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Old 02-26-2013, 02:46 PM   #63137
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Oh ok. Yeah, that stuff is criminal. They did a study on it and basically if you hire those on workfare, you get the same worker-hours but you only have to pay them about 1/3 of what you normally have to, because they only get the equivalent of a welfare check as salary.

EDIT: I forgot which field of work they were looking at, I could've sworn it was transit authority of some city or the other though.

They have it here too, it's called "jobsbridge".

There are places where it works quite well, in limited cases where you are talking about very skilled labour and the people being "hired" are those with degrees in the field already who simply lack experience. Those are extremely limited circumstances.
I did hear that it backfired on one individual who hired someone on Jobsbridge and had him build a website, the individual was led to believe that he would be hired afterwards, but was let go at the end of the "internship", i.e. once the website was done. The employer was a moron though and hadn't considered that the individual had purchased the domain name being used privately, and the employer did not change the passwords to access the backend of the website. The dude took the website down when he left, and it cannot be replaced as he has ownership of the domain name.

It is being abused extensively in Ireland, particularly in the IT sector where people are using it to get websites built for free and whatnot. I know a solicitor who is using it to get data entry work done for her database.


I've seen places use it to get bar staff or waiting staff; which is a joke, those are not skilled jobs, they are entry level and require training along the order of a few hours. Even if those people get hired, what they essentially have done is provide 9 months of free labour with no benefit to themselves. Joke of a system.
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Tell that to all the places hiring on the basis of experience.
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Tell that to all the places hiring on the basis of experience.

I encountered that problem for ages, until I didn't anymore.
Generally it's a matter of both finding a place that genuinely needs someone, and then doing a good job of selling yourself to them. Also, knowing someone, unfortunately knowing someone is the easiest way.

I don't particularly care about experience to be honest, not for barmen or waiters. I just make them do a free shift or two with me, you get a feel for them pretty quickly. It's also very easy to let people go in the first six months if they turn out to be shit.
Reception staff are another matter, as are chef's obviously.


All that happens with the jobsbridge market is that they'll require a year's experience to get the internship. It's a race to the bottom.
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i agree with paddy. it's ridiculous.

plus, at a slight tangent, the whole, "wow, you're awful, do you expect to jump ahead of people who don't have a degree?"

Yes, absolutely. That's why i got the frigging degree you numpty (not to mention paid a shitload for it).

it's nice how we're in the worst of both worlds scenario (which no-one could've predicted... oh wait, yes they did, and that's before it was even apparent there'd be a massive recession which is only exacerbating the problem) where degrees aren't worth what they used to be, plus you're also massively in debt because of them.

I also love how chris grayling accused that student the other day/week who won her case against workfare of "wanting something for nothing" (that might be paraphrased).

yep this is the same guy who got his university education paid for (and probably got a grant, too), and I'm guessing said student paid for hers. it'd make you laugh if it weren't so serious.
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