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Old 02-15-2015, 08:24 PM   #1
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guitar to play metal

hi, im pretty new to electric guitar, im looking for a good starter guitar to play metal. i have couple good offers atm at a shop .

schecter damien 6 at 300$
jackson js30dkt at 200 with seymour duncan pickup
ibanez gio at 100$

any of theses one a good deal, or i should just go with the cheaper one cuz i wont see any difference at my level..

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Old 02-15-2015, 08:45 PM   #2
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if you can afford one of the better options then go for it. having a guitar that you can grow with is a better idea. you get a dirt cheap one and 6 months from now you'll just be looking for a new one.
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Old 02-15-2015, 09:16 PM   #3
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What is your budget? Do you have an amp or do you need to buy that too?

A good guitar doesn't need to cost a lot even for a beginner if you know what to get and where, but the very cheapest ones generally aren't very good. Better to get something that could serve you for years now than to find that your 100 USD guitar don't hold up after 6 months.

To be able to help you, we need to know what you aim to spend, where you are and what features you need - specifying genre is good, but metal is a really broad term and used to refer to as different things as Iron Maiden and Cannibal Corpse.

Don't rush out and buy a guitar tomorrow. Plan your purchase and you'll be happier and save money in the long run.
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Old 02-16-2015, 12:57 PM   #4
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I'd get the schecter personally, better guitar you can get at a beginner level will make you want to play more
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Old 02-16-2015, 02:12 PM   #5
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I like Ibanez but I don't know about the Gio models. I think those are rather poor quality. Made in Japan Ibanez are great though.
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Old 02-16-2015, 04:59 PM   #6
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A $200 Jackson with Seymour Duncans? You sure?
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Old 02-16-2015, 10:32 PM   #7
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yeah they are used of course tho

heres the jackson http://www.kijiji.ca/v-guitare/vill...gationFlag=true

and heres the schecter , the price is wrong, i talked to the guy and hes selling it at 300 http://www.kijiji.ca/v-guitare/vill...gationFlag=true

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Old 02-17-2015, 12:50 AM   #8
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:36 AM   #9
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The Jackson has a Duncan Distortion in the bridge which is a great pickup for metal.

What you really need to compare is the overall build of the guitars though. The JS30 is on the lower end of Jacksons and can be hit or miss. I'm not sure where the Schecter fits in their line up.

The pickups in the Schecter aren't that great but you can swap them out later.

Can you play both before you decide?
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I'd advise getting the Schecter. While I do like the higher end Japanese-made Jacksons a lot, I don't think the cheap Indian and Chinese-made guitars are very good. The Duncan Distortion is nice, but given that you're a beginner and are likely to only get a cheap practice amp, I don't think you're going to be able to take advantage of it very much.
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Old 02-17-2015, 11:40 AM   #11
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A Jackson neck with a SD for 200 sounds very tempting though...
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Old 02-17-2015, 12:46 PM   #12
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Looks like you're in the Quebec area, so am I!

there's a couple of gears group on facebook, you could find a deal there.

As for what you have found, I'd stay away from a Gio, and you can get a decent Mid Level ibanez for 300$ easy.

There's a big difference between the feel of a Schecter (fat, baseball style neck) and an Ibanez (Slim, flat neck). You will find your preferences by trying them out.

Send me a PM, I'm in the same area as you, I could probably help find something good!
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Old 02-17-2015, 11:24 PM   #13
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Old 03-06-2015, 10:18 PM   #14
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hi, im pretty new to electric guitar, im looking for a good starter guitar to play metal. i have couple good offers atm at a shop .

schecter damien 6 at 300$
jackson js30dkt at 200 with seymour duncan pickup
ibanez gio at 100$

any of theses one a good deal, or i should just go with the cheaper one cuz i wont see any difference at my level..

tks for tips
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If you ask me I wouldn't go for any of those guitars I'd recommend going for an epiphone. There is no reason to think that you will be able to play metal better on any of those guitars just because they look more "Metal". Jackson's, Schecter's and Ibanez' are typical guitars that new guitarists get when they want to play metal and not much else but after a while they end up selling them when they realise that they are not particularly good guitars. You can get a nice Epiphone les paul studio for the same price as the schecter and not only will it play and sound thousands times nicer than the schecter for metal but it will sound and play millions of times better than the schecter for pretty much any other style of music. Plus les pauls look much nicer than those other guitars you mentioned and I guarantee you will not be looking to sell your les paul any time soon. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Epiphone-Les-Paul-Studio-Electric-Guitar-in-Ebony-/291390079085?pt=Guitar&hash=item43d833c06d
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If you ask me I wouldn't go for any of those guitars I'd recommend going for an epiphone. There is no reason to think that you will be able to play metal better on any of those guitars just because they look more "Metal". Jackson's, Schecter's and Ibanez' are typical guitars that new guitarists get when they want to play metal and not much else but after a while they end up selling them when they realise that they are not particularly good guitars. You can get a nice Epiphone les paul studio for the same price as the schecter and not only will it play and sound thousands times nicer than the schecter for metal but it will sound and play millions of times better than the schecter for pretty much any other style of music. Plus les pauls look much nicer than those other guitars you mentioned and I guarantee you will not be looking to sell your les paul any time soon. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Epiphone-Le...=item43d833c06d


I get the feeling that it's been a while since you've played a new Schecter... In my experience, which includes playing/demoing dozens of Schecters, and Ibanezes, and Epiphones, the Schecters feel better than either of the others, at just about any price point from $300-$1000ish, more often than not. Not saying Epiphones are bad, but Schecters are absolutely up to the same, if not better, standard of quality control, fretwork and factory setups. As for the sound? Cheap pickups are cheap pickups, regardless of brand (and if you're going used, it's pretty easy to find higher end Schecter models with SD or EMG pickups, for $500ish). And pickups can be replaced. And your amp defines your tone far more than pickups anyway. Schecters (and Ibanezes, and Jacksons, and literally any other guitar ever made) are able to play any genre. There's no such thing as a genre-specific guitar, aside from cosmetic things. It would be weird to see someone playing some kind of weird super chill indie rock with a sharp V shape guitar, with horns, and blood and skull inlays or some shit.

Edit: Take, for example, the Schecter C-1 Classic that I just bought at a pawn shop last month. $350. SD JB/Jazz pickups w/5-way switch. Near-mind condition. One of the smoothest and easiest playing necks I have ever felt, with flawless fret ends. Just sayin.
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Epiphone Les Paul over Schecter, Ibanez or Jacksons in the same price-range? Don't smoke, people. It's bad for your health, well-being and cognitive functioning.

These brands have built their whole operation on offering high-performing instruments at good values for money - Epiphone's primary and, if you ask the loudest critics, only sales argument is that the offer 'official copies' of famous Gibson-designs, not only of aging designs but also of compromised quality as to not compete with the main brand.

My personal experience with Schecter and Ibanez especially is that they are some of the best value for money instruments out there, if you consider the widely available brands. (Some UG-veteran will now come and recommend you Reverend, G&L, or other almost-impossible-to-try brand, if you're anywhere but CA, USA, Earth)
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Epiphone Les Paul over Schecter, Ibanez or Jacksons in the same price-range? Don't smoke, people. It's bad for your health, well-being and cognitive functioning.

These brands have built their whole operation on offering high-performing instruments at good values for money - Epiphone's primary and, if you ask the loudest critics, only sales argument is that the offer 'official copies' of famous Gibson-designs, not only of aging designs but also of compromised quality as to not compete with the main brand.

My personal experience with Schecter and Ibanez especially is that they are some of the best value for money instruments out there, if you consider the widely available brands. (Some UG-veteran will now come and recommend you Reverend, G&L, or other almost-impossible-to-try brand, if you're anywhere but CA, USA, Earth)


Not only that, but he was on about a studio too..

Saying whats been said already, id probs grab that jackson out of what you listed.
That being said, I did save up more and buy my LTD when id been playing about 7 months.
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My advice is buy the cheapest one. Don't get caught up in the gear game, it's too early for that. Y ou have no idea what you like and don't like yet. It also leaves you more money for a decent quality amp which is much more important at this stage. So get the Gio and save the rest of the cash towards your next guitar. Take your time and choose based on what you like and don't like about the Gio.
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My advice is buy the cheapest one. Don't get caught up in the gear game, it's too early for that. Y ou have no idea what you like and don't like yet. It also leaves you more money for a decent quality amp which is much more important at this stage. So get the Gio and save the rest of the cash towards your next guitar. Take your time and choose based on what you like and don't like about the Gio.


I'd like to offer the otherside of the coin here. Where as this is sound advice, I wouldn't buy the cheapest one just because you might not like it. If you can go to a guitar store and sit and hold a few guitars and see which ones you like the feel of.
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My advice is buy the cheapest one. Don't get caught up in the gear game, it's too early for that. Y ou have no idea what you like and don't like yet. It also leaves you more money for a decent quality amp which is much more important at this stage. So get the Gio and save the rest of the cash towards your next guitar. Take your time and choose based on what you like and don't like about the Gio.

Yeah but in my experience GIO's suck.

It was when I bought a guitar that actually played properly that I was encouraged to play guitar. Cheap guitars with crap playability make learning how to play frustrating. And what exactly is stopping TS from knowing what he wants before he buys anything? There's guitar stores in his local area, nobody can stop him from trying a bunch of guitars out before buying them.
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