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Old 05-26-2014, 03:14 AM   #1
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Aka The Manic Feminism Thread

I'm gonna start the thread by saying that there's been a lot of confusion over the intention of this OP. It was rushed and all (as this one will likely be) and people were under the impression that I'm saying that all men are rapists, or that this hashtag and movement is implying that.


So let me address the obvious: No one is saying that all men are rapists.


The #YesAllWomen trend should be taken to mean "Yes, all women experience this". The reason it placed itself in opposition to the phrase "Not all men are X" is because this phrase is often used to deflect responsibility off the individual stating it, when no one is being accusatory at all. The result is a shift in the focus of the discussion off women sharing experiences of misogyny, and onto men with a wounded ego, fearing the label of rapist falling onto them (which is understandable, but ultimately unedifying and obvious).


Following this is the idea of "If I've never raped anyone, I shouldn't care what these women have to say, and this should be seen as right". Now, 1) You're actively ignoring women sharing their daily experiences of sexual harassment and assault and 2) You're asking that others agree that this is the right thing to do. Hopefully I don't need to explain why that's wrong, or why that doesn't help. As a man, directly or indirectly, I benefit (and receive pressure to fulfill an arbitrary gender role, but that's a different discussion) from a patriarchal society. If I were to willingly endorse apathy about misogyny, then not only am I using what most of us here will agree is a corrupt system of values, but I'm promoting idleness about that system.


I've linked to this article at the bottom, titled "WE NEED TO CHANGE HOW WE TALK ABOUT RAPE", because it'll provide a helpful background on rape culture. GodOfCheeseCake's post here has some important excerpts from this.

(If you can't read or dislike FILM CRIT HULK's style, where he posts in ALL CAPS, use www.convertcase.net to switch it to "Bruce Banner" speak)


Understanding this, that we don't condone or tolerate sexism for any gender or sex, please feel free to contribute to the thread. And please try not to spam, at the very least write down your thoughts and although it'll get heated, don't take it personally. This is about gender and ethics, not you. I'm guilty of this as well.


Please try to take a look at the Twitter trend. Here's the original OP:

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These are moving and awesome and heartbreaking all at once, and I want to share it with you, Pit.




Basically, we all know about feminism. It's feminism, you love it if you're sane, hate it if you're awful. Then there are MRAs, PUAs, RedPill'ers/ites(?), and a whole range of human garbage with a supreme sense of entitlement.


Then there was that guy that killed 6 people cuz no one would have sex with him. Then a bunch of people defended him. Then a bunch of people said that "Not all men are like that", cuz they needed to distance themselves for some reason, calling him "mentally ill" and not really touting MRA ideology. We'll lump those under awful entitled human garbage.


Finally the hashtag #YesAllWomen was trending to oppose the "Not All Men" phrase and provide true perspective on the daily misogyny ALL women face.


And then there was light.





All time greats. You can't embed tweets I think, so for this OP pics will do.







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ily even more

Ali, can you add this to the OP? It's extremely important and very informative.
http://badassdigest.com/2013/11/14/...alk-about-rape/



We've all agreed that the above link is a fantastic article that will give you a small background on how patriarchal mindsets work and the way we should discuss rape, written by an anonymous film critic/mentor, FILM CRIT HULK. Hulk uses HULK SPEAK and so if you don't like his all-caps style (although, it's a great style), please use Convert Case to view his article in Bruce Banner-mode.
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Old 05-26-2014, 03:16 AM   #2
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Old 05-26-2014, 03:18 AM   #3
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Those are all terrible

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Old 05-26-2014, 03:20 AM   #4
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Old 05-26-2014, 03:21 AM   #5
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Sanctimonious bullshit.
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Old 05-26-2014, 03:26 AM   #8
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fwiw everyone should keep their shirts on. if i wanted to feel your sweat i'll rub my face in your armpits tyvm

i also dont get the hashtag
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Sanctimonious bullshit.

He said, sanctimoniously.
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Women are all gold diggers.


Previous deleted quote by Ali, probably taken out of context, but let's be honest, who cares what a misogynist like you thinks?
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That shit applies to the dudes who are pieces of shit and should just die already.

I've gone 27 years of my life not beating, raping, or killing women. I'm going to keep it that way because i'm not a total fucckshit. This movement is fine, but it doesn't apply to me. You can't change the world, when human nature is dark as shit.
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You can't change the world, when human nature is dark as shit.


Wow, so much realism...very Hobbes.
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This too. And ya'll thought the drug thread closing was bad.
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Previous deleted quote by Ali, probably taken out of context, but let's be honest, who cares what a misogynist like you thinks?

I don't get it.

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but it doesn't apply to me.

The point is that this phrase is a part of the problem of throwing aside any attitudes against rape as irrelevant to any conversation cuz "I've never raped anyone".


Hence "Yes All Women Face This" to oppose the "Not All Men Are Rapists". The 'movement' is about highlighting what all women face... so it kinda applies to everyone, I think?
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I don't get it.


Just admit you're a rape apologist. You're openly mocking women's rights just with this thread alone. You don't get it? #trygettingit
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That shit applies to the dudes who are pieces of shit and should just die already.

I've gone 27 years of my life not beating, raping, or killing women. I'm going to keep it that way because i'm not a total fucckshit. This movement is fine, but it doesn't apply to me. You can't change the world, when human nature is dark as shit.

And by not doing anything, you're a functioning part of the rape culture.
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if you don't agree with these sentiments you are an empty ass tissue roll.

you're not even useful for an ass anymore.

and you're part of the problem.
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Just admit you're a rape apologist. You're openly mocking women's rights just with this thread alone. You don't get it? #trygettingit

I'm not mocking anything. My OP is totally sincere.
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if you don't agree with these sentiments you are an empty ass tissue roll.

you're not even useful for an ass anymore.

and you're part of the problem.

From the mouths of admitted (statutory) rapists.
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