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Old 09-14-2008, 09:37 PM   #41
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Anyone ever notice that Sum 41 quite blatantly stole the riff for Motivation from Boxcar?
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Old 09-14-2008, 09:43 PM   #42
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Old 09-14-2008, 09:49 PM   #43
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hmmm.....very similar. I'm not gonna accuse them though. it's not so unusual of a riff that they couldn't have thought it up themselves.
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Old 09-15-2008, 12:36 PM   #44
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I really love Unfun too. Blake's vocals on that are great, and I love Chris's bass work.
I think Bivouac would be a lot better if the production didn't suck, it's got some really great songs on it.

Truth. Bivouac sounds a little thin, but Big and Chesterfield King are superb songs.
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Old 09-16-2008, 01:46 PM   #45
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Why does everyone keep accusing bands of ripping off Boxcar?


It's pretty obvious that Jawbreaker wrote that riff to make fun of all the bands like Green Day and Sum 41 that write stupid cliche riffs like that and take it seriously. It's not that they're ripping off that song, it's that they write songs that epitomize everything that song is making fun of.

I mean, the entire song is dripping with lyrical sarcasm, why can't the riff be sarcastic too?


EDIT: My favorite songs on Bivouac are

P.S. New York is Burning
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Tour Song
You Don't Know...
Shield Your Eyes

But I think some of those songs were on the Chesterfield King EP, so they weren't on the vinyl release of Bivouac...
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Old 09-16-2008, 05:47 PM   #46
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I was under the impression that Boxcar came way before GD and Sum41 got big...
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Old 09-17-2008, 05:09 AM   #47
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it was released the same year as dookie


i think you guys read way too much into jawbreaker though and put them on too much of a pedestal, most pop punk bands cite them as a major influence.

i would say boxcar is more about people who are worried about how "punk" they are, usually people who would look down there noses at poppunk bands

"your not punk and im telling everyone, save your breath, i never was one"
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Old 09-17-2008, 02:59 PM   #48
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I was under the impression that Boxcar came way before GD and Sum41 got big...

Maybe not those bands specifically, but you know what I meant...

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i would say boxcar is more about people who are worried about how "punk" they are, usually people who would look down there noses at poppunk bands

That makes a little more sense than what I said. I stand by my theory that the riff was intended to be sarcastic, because it was their ONLY song that was so blatantly poppy. It was probably one of those things they did to piss people off. If they got criticized for being poppy, they got poppier. If they got heckled for playing slow, they played slower.
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Old 09-18-2008, 02:20 AM   #49
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i think you guys read way too much into jawbreaker though and put them on too much of a pedestal, most pop punk bands cite them as a major influence.

i would say boxcar is more about people who are worried about how "punk" they are, usually people who would look down there noses at poppunk bands

"your not punk and im telling everyone, save your breath, i never was one"

Yeah thats pretty much exactly what its about. Similar to Indictment. I dont think the intro riff was meant to be satirical either, it seems standard for Jawbreaker
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Old 09-18-2008, 07:13 AM   #50
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I stand by my theory that the riff was intended to be sarcastic, because it was their ONLY song that was so blatantly poppy.


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boxcars basic 3 power chord or whatever intro is very reminiscent of chesterfields king basic 3 power chord intro released 2 years previous

want was a pretty poppy song in 1990

dear you was hugely poppy

i think jawbreaker just liked abit of the pop
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Old 09-18-2008, 07:31 AM   #51
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Yeah, Bad Scene is hella poppy too. I can't stop playing that riff when I have my hands on a guitar.
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"and then the cops showed up"

is my favorite moment on the entire album.
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boxcars basic 3 power chord or whatever intro is very reminiscent of chesterfields king basic 3 power chord intro released 2 years previous

want was a pretty poppy song in 1990

dear you was hugely poppy

i think jawbreaker just liked abit of the pop
Dear You isn't that poppy.
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Old 09-18-2008, 10:23 PM   #54
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I got 24 Hour Revenge Therapy bout 2 weeks back and I really havent stopped listening to it since. I think Ima get Dear You next.
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Dear You isn't that poppy.

With the way its production was really smoothed out compared to their other albums, it sort of was. In a vague sense I guess. It had a way more clean and "mainstream" if you will, sound to it. Not saying thats a bad thing at all by the way, its my favorite album by Jawbreaker, by far.
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With the way its production was really smoothed out compared to their other albums, it sort of was. In a vague sense I guess. It had a way more clean and "mainstream" if you will, sound to it. Not saying thats a bad thing at all by the way, its my favorite album by Jawbreaker, by far.
clean and mainstream=/=poppy
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Old 09-20-2008, 12:36 AM   #57
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Truth. Bivouac sounds a little thin, but Big and Chesterfield King are superb songs.

Yes, I love Big!

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EDIT: My favorite songs on Bivouac are

P.S. New York is Burning
Parabola
Big
Sleep
Tour Song
You Don't Know...
Shield Your Eyes

But I think some of those songs were on the Chesterfield King EP, so they weren't on the vinyl release of Bivouac...

I could have gone without having the Chesterfield King EP songs on my CD. Tour Song's definitely not a favorite of mine, and the rest aren't all that great either, IMO.

Anyway, my favorite Bivouac songs would have to be Big, Donatello, Like a Secret, Parabola, and Bivouac.
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Never been a big fan of Like a Secret. I forgot Donatello, that song rules hard. Big is a weird tune. The way it flows is just tense and awkward, but I like it. The lyrics are great. Also, Pack It Up is a lame song.

Current favorite Jawbreaker song: Housesitter
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Thats why I said in a vague sense. You cant possibly tell me there arent at least a handful of pop punk songs on the album.
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24 Hour is pretty much all pop punk and Bivouac has more pop punk songs on it than Dear You does.
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