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Old 11-24-2014, 05:09 PM   #1
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DSL or SGJ?

Hey there guys, I'm new to the forum and I made an account to ask for help on this topic. So recently I've been looking to upgrade my gear. (my current being a modded Cort KX-5, a Vox VT20+ and a Blues Driver) I know, it's a pretty dreadful setup. I can't decide whether to buy a DSL-15/40 or a 2014 Gibson SGJ. It wouldn't be as much as of a hard choice if I didn't live in Australia, where an SGJ is over $1000 most of the time! If anyone can offer an alternative Marshall Tube/Valve amp except the Haze, please do!
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Old 11-24-2014, 05:25 PM   #2
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Have you played the SGJ? If you like the way it plays and are happy with the way your amp sound for now, get the guitar. If you just do not like the way the amp sounds get a new amp.

What is your budget and what type music do you play?
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Old 11-24-2014, 08:24 PM   #3
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Yeah, I've played it and it sounds real smooth. The problem is that I there were no Vox VT20+s there, and I could only play it through a Rockerverb 50. I play Blues, Blues Rock, Rock, Hard Rock and Hendrix etc. My budget is around $1200-$1300.
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Old 11-24-2014, 08:33 PM   #4
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Are you gigging?

If your guitar is playable then this:
http://www.belfieldmusic.com.au/ran...guitar-amp.html

You can change preamp modules later. Lots to chose from. I'd get the XTC modded into something good like:
http://www.jadedfaithmods.com/sl-od100.html
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Old 11-24-2014, 08:39 PM   #5
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A little, for some family occasions like a backyard or something, but nothing major.
I think the Randall is a little too powerful as I will need to be able to crank it regularly.

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Old 11-24-2014, 08:40 PM   #6
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Buy that Randall ^^. That's a crazy good price. It makes a new DSL look like a toy.
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Old 11-24-2014, 08:44 PM   #7
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I'll check out some videos later, sounds like a pretty good deal for just $1300.
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Old 11-24-2014, 08:49 PM   #8
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It's what I use gigging and I have quite a few good amps. But make sure you buy a decent trolley to move it around, it weighs 40kg. It has a lot of great features - like individual bias for every power tube that a monkey could use. That means that you don't have to buy matched sets every time you blow a single power tube. They don't even have to be the same type of tube.
And as your tastes change you can just get new modules. Take a look at what's available:
http://www.jadedfaithmods.com/mts-mods.html
http://salvationmods.com/index.php?page=modifications
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Old 11-24-2014, 08:52 PM   #9
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Thanks! One of the reasons I may get the SGJ is because I have heard rumours about a 29% price increase in Gibsons for 2015. Have you heard anything about this?
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Old 11-24-2014, 08:55 PM   #10
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**** Gibson. They're overpriced.

You could also go for one of these:
http://www.belfieldmusic.com.au/ran...tra-module.html
And use the money you save to get a better module. Maybe http://salvationmods.com/index.php?page=mash-all
I'm getting one myself. I have that module myself plus several others.
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Old 11-24-2014, 08:59 PM   #11
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Hahaha very true. That second amp looks quite nice! What kinda tones can you get out of it?
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Old 11-24-2014, 09:04 PM   #12
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Depends on what module you load into it. That Mash-All+ mdule will do a lot of Marshall sounds from plexi through JVM red. The JCM800 mode is particularly good. The RM20 also has a tube boost so it's effectively two channels even though it only has one preamp slot.
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Old 11-24-2014, 09:06 PM   #13
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Buy a nice amp now. Later get a friend in USA to keep an eye open for a used SG standard and ship it to you.
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Old 11-25-2014, 12:51 AM   #14
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Would you guys like me to record the sounds I get out of my setup and you can judge from that?
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Old 11-25-2014, 01:17 AM   #15
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Not really. Just buy that RM20 and get the module converted into a Mash-all+.
Then with the money you have left over, search for a nice used guitar. Maybe save a bit more and go hunting. You never know what you will find. I scored a beautiful old Yamaha SG500 for $700 not that long ago. Open your options and just go exploring. Lots of good axes out there.
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Old 11-25-2014, 03:27 AM   #16
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What do you think of the Marshall JTM-60? I've heard of overheating issues? Seen one for $600 on Gumtree.
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Old 11-25-2014, 03:31 AM   #17
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They're not good.

Belfield do free shipping inside Australia btw.
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Old 11-25-2014, 03:39 AM   #18
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Ah, really? I'll have a look around on their website. How's their shipping?
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Old 11-25-2014, 03:43 AM   #19
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I've had no problem with them. I've got an RM20 on layby with them atm, myself. I have bought off them before, that's where I bought my GT-100.
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Old 11-25-2014, 03:53 AM   #20
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Thanks for answering all my questions, hope I wasn't too annoying.
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