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Old 04-08-2014, 05:50 PM   #1
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Bla-bla-bla Aeolian mode help

Hi i want to learn all the shapes for the Aeolian mode, I cannot find a page that has all of them I am hoping for 5 of them, dont tell me to learn the notes and the formula for the scale please, i learn the way i do, plz help, thanks
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Old 04-08-2014, 06:45 PM   #2
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Why would you bother with learning the shape? That's not learning the minor scale.

Also, no real reason to call it Aeolian mode, since it's the minor scale. (You probably shouldn't be focusing on modes, unless you somehow managed to learn everything suggested to you in this thread from a month ago...in less than a month. And I doubt that.) Note that modes are NOT scales. So, here's a lesson about the minor scale:
http://www.musictheory.net/lessons/22

That lesson actually covers all 3 minor scales, but the one you should pay attention to the most is the "natural minor scale". The other two minor scales are not used very often in today's music, so when most people say "the minor scale"...just remember that they probably mean "the natural minor scale".

If you can't read music, that site has a section in lessons called "the basics". Just remove the "/22" part and hit enter.
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Old 04-08-2014, 08:20 PM   #3
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can any one that is not a douche bag answer my question please
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Old 04-08-2014, 08:40 PM   #4
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Ok, fine...don't accept my help.
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Old 04-08-2014, 08:49 PM   #5
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how in the world is playing the exact shape of a scale, NOT playing a scale, what kind of sense is that?
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Old 04-08-2014, 08:50 PM   #6
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can any one that is not a douche bag answer my question please


crazysam just did.

If there's one thing I've learned in my 7-8 years in this forum, it's that the people in it know what they're talking about, even if the answer pisses you off because it turns out to not be as simple as you wanted it to be.

Memorizing the scale shapes will not teach you anything musical. Knowing the intervals of the scale and why they sound the way they do and using that knowledge to play wherever you want will.
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Old 04-08-2014, 08:52 PM   #7
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play the red notes in this image in the first post and you'll be super amazing http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...d.php?t=1639701

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Old 04-08-2014, 08:55 PM   #8
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how in the world is playing the exact shape of a scale, NOT playing a scale, what kind of sense is that?
I did not say that. I said:

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Why would you bother with learning the shape? That's not learning the minor scale.


The key word there is learning. What I'm trying to get at is that all you will learn by getting a picture of the 5 positions of the minor scale is the positions. You won't really know what to do with the scale, how the scale works, when to use the scale, etc. You can't just drill the scale positions and think you know the scale. You don't learn the scale that way.


You obviously didn't like my answer, so you resorted to calling me a douchebag here and telling me on my personal profile (for the 2nd time so far) that I'm an asshole. Your loss.


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play the red notes in this image in the first post and you'll be super amazing http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...d.php?t=1639701

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In hindsight, being called a hedgehog is pretty funny.
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Old 04-09-2014, 12:19 AM   #11
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What crazy sam said in his first post. And it would help if you an relate the minor scale to the Major (ie. Flat 3rd, 6th and 7th). If you can get used twn that, then studying 'modes' later will be a lot simpler than memorizing patterns.
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Old 04-09-2014, 01:40 AM   #12
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This is all five shapes of the minor scale in Gm but they are moveable so you can just move them to whatever root note you need.

http://www.discoverguitaronline.com/diagrams/view/2
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OH LOL, it's merks. According to him, EVERYONE's an asshole. (yes, me too. Just check my UG wall )

Also, what SuperKid said.
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The longer you spend in MT, the more likely someone is going to call you a douche on your wall. Seems to come with the territory unfortunately.
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Old 04-09-2014, 10:34 AM   #15
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This is a troll thread. It must be. I hope so.
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how in the world is playing the exact shape of a scale, NOT playing a scale, what kind of sense is that?


It isn't. But a mode isn't just a scale.

Listen. I'm not sure you're bright enough to learn music, so just Google "Aeolian mode" and look at the nice fretboard shapes that come up.
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Old 04-09-2014, 12:14 PM   #17
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how in the world is playing the exact shape of a scale, NOT playing a scale, what kind of sense is that?


The funny thing, of course, is that if you hadn't just been a total jerk, people would probably be eager to answer this question.

I know I would be.
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Merks? More like JERKS lolololol

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In hindsight, being called a hedgehog is pretty funny.


i nearly fell off my chair

to be fair, i think if you got rid of the beard you wouldn't look anything like one

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The longer you spend in MT, the more likely someone is going to call you a douche on your wall. Seems to come with the territory unfortunately.


maybe. you always get the odd dick who won't be happy nomatter how nice you are, but we tell people stuff they don't want to hear all the time in the gear forums too and I would suspect most of us in those forums haven't got abusive messages on our walls either.

I think 20Tigers mentioned this the other day in a thread, where some people are almost scared to post anything in case they get jumped on. I haven't hung out in here anywhere near as long as you guys have, but I've held back on posting things too in case I got jumped on (a cynic might say I don't hold back enough you guys know way more than I do about theory, that goes without saying).

I'm not saying you should let people post incorrect stuff without correcting it, because of course you shouldn't (and we don't allow that in the gear forums either), but you can tell people they're wrong in such a way that it looks like you're trying to help (in which case most reasonable people will appreciate that you're genuinely trying to help) or in such a way that it looks like you're trying to make them look stupid (which gets most reasonable people's backs up).

I think I'm fairly familiar with how guitar forums work now, and I should clarify that I think you guys are genuinely trying to help (and I've learnt a lot in the little time I've hung out here, including several things which always bothered me for years and which didn't quite make sense)- it's more in the way that you come across.

It's sometimes hard to realise how other people see you (and I'm as guilty of this as anyone, I dare say some of my posts, taken in isolation, could come in for similar criticism )- regulars in a forum will realise that the same question comes up every day, and will also realise if a regular posts a snarky comment once in a blue moon that they're helpful 99% of the time and will cut them some slack. But to someone who's only posted once in the forum who only sees that one post, they get the impression that the forum is cliquey and arrogant. It's like when you go into a shop and the assistant is rude to you- maybe the last 15 customers were dicks, but you didn't see that, plus even if that were true the assistant should still treat you with respect since the previous 15 customers weren't your fault.

I guess what I'm saying that if it appears a slightly scary forum to post in, even to someone like me who's used to forums and who's willing to give you the benefit of the doubt...
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^^^ Interesting points. Do you think the snarky comments of the regular users in this thread prompted merks7's spamming?

I think its more likely that there's a lot of telling people that they're wrong in MT. It's hard to sugarcoat telling someone they're wrong, and some people will react negatively.
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