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Old 12-28-2007, 01:13 PM   #1
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Chord structure???

What is the chord structure of augmented and diminished chords? You know like the strucutre of a major chord is r 3rd 5th and minor is r b3 5. Also is major sevenths r 3 5 b7 and dominant sevenths r 3 5 7, or the other way round? Cheers
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:19 PM   #2
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This might help you a little bit... http://chrisjuergensen.com.hosting....hordformula.htm
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:21 PM   #3
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aug. = 1,3,#5
half dim. = 1,b3,b5
fully diminished = 1, b3, bb5

...if I remember correctly from my HS music theory class a few years back. the aug. and dim. denotes that the 5th is being moved. I'm not positive the fully dim. one is right.
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:21 PM   #4
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Aug is 1 3 #5 and Dim is 1 b3 b3. Thats all there is to that. Is there a key or chord you wanna Know?
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:22 PM   #5
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If the 5th is flattend twice does that make it a 4th? Or am I talking out my arse?

Plus if anyone could clear up the Dom 7 and Maj 7 ones that would be good. And also thanks deville for the aug and dim
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:24 PM   #6
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Maj7: 1 3 5 7
Dom7: 1 3 5 b7
Aug: 1 3 #5
Dim (7): 1 b3 b5 (bb7)

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Half diminished is 1 b3 b5 b7, fully diminished is 1 b3 b5 bb7.
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:54 PM   #8
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aug. = 1,3,#5
half dim. = 1,b3,b5
fully diminished = 1, b3, bb5

...if I remember correctly from my HS music theory class a few years back. the aug. and dim. denotes that the 5th is being moved. I'm not positive the fully dim. one is right.


A triad is simply diminished, there is no half diminished triad. It's not until you
add the 7th that it would be half dim (b7) or dim (bb7).
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Old 12-28-2007, 02:09 PM   #9
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aug. = 1,3,#5
half dim. = 1,b3,b5
fully diminished = 1, b3, bb5

...if I remember correctly from my HS music theory class a few years back. the aug. and dim. denotes that the 5th is being moved. I'm not positive the fully dim. one is right.


Half-diminished: 1-b3-b5-b7
Fully Diminished: 1-b3-b5-bb7
Augmented: 1-3-#5
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Old 12-28-2007, 06:28 PM   #10
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aug. = 1,3,#5
half dim. = 1,b3,b5
fully diminished = 1, b3, bb5

...if I remember correctly from my HS music theory class a few years back. the aug. and dim. denotes that the 5th is being moved. I'm not positive the fully dim. one is right.


Wrong!

aug - 1 3 #5
dim - 1 3 b5 EDIT: I made a mistake. 1 b3 b5 Sorry.
half diminished (m7b5) - 1 b3 b5 b7
Full diminished (dim7) - 1 b3 b5 bb7
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Old 12-28-2007, 06:52 PM   #11
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Wrong!

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dim - 1 3 b5
*giggle*
dim = 1 b3 b5 -- two minor third intervals. Easy to remember, for some of us.

Zepp nailed this with his edit. Dim means the triad, half-dim/whole-dim refer to the added 7th being either a minor 7th (b7) or a diminished 7th (bb7).

Also... No, a double flat 5 or double flat 7, or any other double flat, is not the same as its simple enharmonic -- not that I'd ever use bb5 for anything, but that doesn't mean you couldn't -- while they're the same pitch, they function completely differently.
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