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Old 01-29-2011, 08:37 PM   #1
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Fret buzz problem

Ok so im there again with my s540 .
I told you guys that i had some fretbuzz issues but it just needed a setup?

Guess what it got a setup today and i still have fret buzz and on one of the higher frets On my 4th string the buzzing is really worst and the note is dead when i bend it. the fret buzz is hearable through the amp and affects my sustain...

So the question is: how can this be solved cause if a setup by one of the best belgian luthiers cant solve it i think i ll have to adapt something about the frets?

And allso i heard from someone that a guitar needs 24 hours of rest after a setup to be completely perfetct ? ( something with the neck i believe) could it be that ? I dont think so but what do you guys think?

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Old 01-29-2011, 08:39 PM   #2
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I will upload some pictures of my action but my pc crashed and i have to reinstall internet so im online with my ipod
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Old 01-29-2011, 08:44 PM   #3
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It may be caused to un level frets. You may have to get the fret filed down. Or maybe take it back to the luthier and get a full refret? That's a spendy choice though. So best stick with the fret filing. Also, wait to see what others have to say. =)
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Old 01-29-2011, 08:46 PM   #4
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Sorry my english isnt best
What do you mean by un level frets ?

And i thEn i think i just need to file down some of the last frets cause the problem lies (i think) with the 19-22th fret
Is that expensive to let some frets be filed down? Cause i just spent 40 euros on a setup that didnt change a thing ... And 170 euros on a broken motherboard for my crashed pc
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does the buzz transmit through your amp?
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Old 01-29-2011, 09:23 PM   #6
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As far as a fret filing job goes, I'm not to sure on that. What I meant by "unlevel frets" is that your frets aren't all the same height. Some may stick up farther. Even a fraction higher can cause problems. If you've pin pointed the problem, that contact your local luthier, and ask them how much it may be.
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if you just spent money on a setup and it didnt do anything, take it back and tell the guy that. you asked him to fix a problem, he didnt fix it. i wouldnt pay anyone for that.

as for the buzz, look at the frets and see if they look uneven. if some frets are obviously higher than others or are uneven, then you will need some work done there. if that doesnt look like the case, then a setup should alieviate the problem more than the one the guy didnt do very well.
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Old 01-30-2011, 05:12 AM   #8
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Well i dont see any unleveled frets at first sight and its only the wounded strings that buzz the higher strings dont buzz at all

And no the buzz isnt hearable through the amp apart from the allmost dead fret on then
19th position of the d string but it clearly affects the huge sustain this guitar has
And allso when i play on the low e string it doesnt touch any frets but still it buzzez that goes for all the other strings
And when i play above the fretboard with my pick (usually you pick above your pups if you see what i mean ) but when i play above the fretboard i dont have buzz at all z
Anywhere
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Old 01-30-2011, 09:39 AM   #9
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my action



my nut if it can help


my bridge



the neck


allso what i wanted to know is there is this guy that pretends that the man who sold me the guitar has tricked me and that the truss rod could be broken ... i think this is nonsence cause the neck looks perfectly set up as it has to be and hasn't moved since i bought it
so please help me

cause i am really worried i want to solve this problem cause i tested over again and i can hear the fret buzz through the amp and that sucks ig time since i play extremely clean music.
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Well i dont see any unleveled frets at first sight and its only the wounded strings that buzz the higher strings dont buzz at all

And no the buzz isnt hearable through the amp apart from the allmost dead fret on then
19th position of the d string but it clearly affects the huge sustain this guitar has
And allso when i play on the low e string it doesnt touch any frets but still it buzzez that goes for all the other strings
And when i play above the fretboard with my pick (usually you pick above your pups if you see what i mean ) but when i play above the fretboard i dont have buzz at all z
Anywhere



ok the reason the tech gave the guitar back to you, is because the buzz isnt transmitting through the amp.
-even though i'm reading in your other post that it IS transmitting thru the amp?

they should have told you that one of the frets needs to be pulled or leveled.
not a huge deal.

i don't know what you mean about the truss rod being broken.
if you want to measure the neck's relief, then post in the setup thread.

it's really hard to post in a thread with giant pictures in it.
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Old 01-30-2011, 09:51 AM   #11
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ok the reason the tech gave the guitar back to you, is because the buzz isnt transmitting through the amp.
-even though i'm reading in your other post that it IS transmitting thru the amp?

they should have told you that one of the frets needs to be pulled or leveled.
not a huge deal.

i don't know what you mean about the truss rod being broken.
if you want to measure the neck's relief, then post in the setup thread.

it's really hard to post in a thread with giant pictures in it.


i will resize the pictures i thought it may be better that big so you could see the problem.
and about the broken truss rod well it's just a guy who keeps telling me that my truss rod would be broken.

and yes indeed i made a friend and even my mom listen to it and they hear the buzz through the amp that i sreally ennoying. allso th etech gave the guitar back to me but didn't say anything about it
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so i watched your setup thread and i saw that the rectangular blocks seen on both sides of the trem should be paraalel to the body but on my trem it's the string lock inserts that are parallel to the body.
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so you suspect the bridge is not balanced?

you'll need to balance the bridge, and measure the neck's relief.

there's a paragraph in the first post of the QnA thread,
talks about fretting the first fret and last fret on the low E.

can you measure the relief and post back here.
let me know if a medium guitar pick fits in the middle gap?
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What kind of bridge is that, a regular Edge? Or a Lo-Pro?

Either way, the base shouldn't be parallel to the body at all, on those kinds of bridges.

Your truss rod is probably fine, don't worry. I don't think a broken truss rod would manifest itself through buzz on the 19th fret anyway...

If you think your bridge might be set-up wrong, take a loot at the floating bridge thread in my signature. You should check your neck-relief first though, as jj873941023879187 pointed out!
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Old 01-30-2011, 12:00 PM   #15
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it's a lo pro
and apparently i can't get the action any lower by the bridge cause i can't turn the screw at the low E side any lower
ok i set up the bridge properly as shown in the diagram , the fret buzz is somewhat less present but still there and it's quite well hearable through the amp.

ok so i measured the relief
it's a 22 fret guitar so the fret i have to press should be the 17th fret ? that's the first where the body meets the neck halfly. and is a 0,60mm pick considered medium? when i put it between the middle fret and the string it will fit allmost exaclty.
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yeah if you want, you can add a little more neck relief.

if you want, turn the truss rod 1/4 turn Counter clockwise.
thats a very small amount.
don't force the turn and let the guitar settle in tune.

then post back later today. let me know if that's helping the playability.
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ok but adding neck relief will make my action even higher won't it?

i read that low action should be about 2 mm from your fretboard and my action is already the double of that...
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yeah the hope here, is that by increasing the room at the middle, you might clear a high fret and that will enable you to lower the bridge posts, and the overall action, a little.

if the frets need work it might not help, but it's free and easy and worth a shot.
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yes but the problem is the bridge pot on th elow E side is at its lowest point
or at least i just can't turn it any further than that .

that is th ething i find anormal

lo pro bridge>low action>can't go lower than 4 mm unless neck is straightened> fret buzz allready at 4mm> ????

you see i just can 't get the problem
and th emore i pick toward the neck the less buzz i get th emore i pick towards the bridge the more i get
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