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Old 11-26-2012, 07:27 PM   #1521
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:44 PM   #1522
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I noticed that the forum isn't looking too hot right now. It makes me sad, very sad. It's not a lack of quality writing, just seems the lack of willingness. There also seems to be a massive divide between the established/newbies, more so than I've ever seen...
Fix that, might see the forum perk up...?


nah, the "regulars" are all in college, working, getting published. I barely have time during the day and during the night it's practically dead.

i think due to the lack of traffic (when i was active 8-20+ posts was kind of a regular thing on a thread) now you're lucky with 4-7.

wotm needs revamped for decrease in foot traffic. IMO.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:03 PM   #1523
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read the announcement post, how do you suppose to critique others people works when you're total noob yourself?
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:52 PM   #1524
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read the announcement post, how do you suppose to critique others people works when you're total noob yourself?


There are some helpful tips down in that announcement on things to look for when critiquing, but otherwise, just start by following your gut--did you like the song/poem, or parts of it? did you dislike parts of it? then think about why that might be. What effect are some of the writer's word choices, images, etc. having on the piece? If you start by just saying what you honestly think, people will appreciate it and by reading, critiquing, and reading other people's comments, over time you'll learn how to more effectively say what you mean and be helpful.

Let me (or I'm sure any of the other names you see post often) know if you have any questions or want any pointers, comments or tips ever. There're some really knowledgeable people hanging around here who would be glad to help out if they are able. Feel free to send a private message to my profile or post in the community thread too.
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:22 PM   #1525
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I noticed that the forum isn't looking too hot right now. It makes me sad, very sad. It's not a lack of quality writing, just seems the lack of willingness. There also seems to be a massive divide between the established/newbies, more so than I've ever seen...
Fix that, might see the forum perk up...?
When you say "lack of willingness", what do you mean? Willingness to do what? We've tried to implement new regimes and encourage youthful activity, but if the people aren't there then what can one do? Users stopped critiquing after they moved on—which is unavoidable—and no one replaced them. Is that the fault of the mods, the regulars or the newbies? Neither. I'm blaming no one for the forum's decline. It happens all the time on the Internet and can't always be avoided.

I believe that when the regulars move on in life, they stop indirectly teaching and encouraging the new users to write and critique. Once those regulars leave, there is no one to teach the replacements. But which came first, the chicken or the egg? Who's fault is it? Again, no one. It's just the way things unfolded. Allen and I could have been more dedicated to the established routines, but ultimately we wanted to bring about changes more than maintain the old.

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read the announcement post, how do you suppose to critique others people works when you're total noob yourself?
There are on strict ways to critique. What I personally believe tp be an effective way may not be another's.

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There are some helpful tips down in that announcement on things to look for when critiquing, but otherwise, just start by following your gut--did you like the song/poem, or parts of it? did you dislike parts of it? then think about why that might be. What effect are some of the writer's word choices, images, etc. having on the piece? If you start by just saying what you honestly think, people will appreciate it and by reading, critiquing, and reading other people's comments, over time you'll learn how to more effectively say what you mean and be helpful.

Let me (or I'm sure any of the other names you see post often) know if you have any questions or want any pointers, comments or tips ever. There're some really knowledgeable people hanging around here who would be glad to help out if they are able. Feel free to send a private message to my profile or post in the community thread too.
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:47 PM   #1526
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There are some helpful tips down in that announcement on things to look for when critiquing, but otherwise, just start by following your gut--did you like the song/poem, or parts of it? did you dislike parts of it? then think about why that might be. What effect are some of the writer's word choices, images, etc. having on the piece? If you start by just saying what you honestly think, people will appreciate it and by reading, critiquing, and reading other people's comments, over time you'll learn how to more effectively say what you mean and be helpful.

Let me (or I'm sure any of the other names you see post often) know if you have any questions or want any pointers, comments or tips ever. There're some really knowledgeable people hanging around here who would be glad to help out if they are able. Feel free to send a private message to my profile or post in the community thread too.


This is putty much what I was gonna say. Do it to the best of your ability, but it's the effort that counts. If the piece writer can see you've taken a while to compose your opinions on it, no matter how "helpful" they were in the end at least you made the effort and that should be reciprocated by the writer on your piece. Over time as you learn new things you'll be able to spot them in others pieces. The idea of S+L is to help you grow through feedback on your work as much as it is reading others and learning from them too, then putting both into practice when you critique others.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:13 PM   #1527
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When you say "lack of willingness", what do you mean? Willingness to do what? We've tried to implement new regimes and encourage youthful activity, but if the people aren't there then what can one do? Users stopped critiquing after they moved on—which is unavoidable—and no one replaced them. Is that the fault of the mods, the regulars or the newbies? Neither. I'm blaming no one for the forum's decline. It happens all the time on the Internet and can't always be avoided.

I believe that when the regulars move on in life, they stop indirectly teaching and encouraging the new users to write and critique. Once those regulars leave, there is no one to teach the replacements. But which came first, the chicken or the egg? Who's fault is it? Again, no one. It's just the way things unfolded. Allen and I could have been more dedicated to the established routines, but ultimately we wanted to bring about changes more than maintain the old.


I'm not blaming anyone. I've been stalking here for a good 4/5 months. It just seems a lot of people are expecting something for nothing, there's a load of pieces with 0 replies, because everyone is waiting for someone else to make the first move and critique their piece. If everyone sitting on 0 made an effort to critique someone else on 0 then you'd be getting somewehere... The standard of critique is not important, just the effort going into it.
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Old 11-28-2012, 04:27 PM   #1528
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read the announcement post, how do you suppose to critique others people works when you're total noob yourself?



I thought the same thing when I was here first, and every time I critiqued somebody's piece I felt like an idiot. Just do it, do it, do it. Express your opinion. Didn't like what you read? Say so. The only thing is that you have to have good reasons, and that's different than what lots of people are used to.

The more you read, the more you'll know what's good and what's bad. So go read good lyrics by good lyricists, good poetry by good poets.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:06 PM   #1529
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the wages of your sins awaits you
the display of your sin scale bursts
nowhere to run, nothing that you do,
could ever turn away the worst

say hello to your ****ing nightmare
i'm gonna torture you to death
here comes the punishment for your sins
the time has come, take your last breath

be grateful, you won't suffer
your time has come, that's the end
the thread of life is tearing
deadline for your testament

you can pray and beg but there's no way out
you have to pay this open bill
i want to see you bleed and hear you scream
i can't wait till you've been killed

be grateful, you won't suffer
your time has come, that's the end
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die, mother****er, die, mother****er
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be grateful, you won't suffer
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I WILL COME



if this is not considered an "offensive piece", what is?
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Old 12-02-2012, 11:16 PM   #1530
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It's intellectually offensive, but it wasn't like I just read Uncle Tom's Cabin or something.
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:44 AM   #1531
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"Deadline For Your Testament"

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if this is not considered an "offensive piece", what is?



didn't catch that.

do you consider it offensive?
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:50 AM   #1532
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can offense taken to poetry be anything if not intellectual?

it takes days for Uncle Tom's Cabin to offend a person. this piece takes seconds: you, (to whom it may concern), deserve to die, and i, the writer, am going to punish you for your sins

it's offensive in the most primal sense, the mortal sense. i'm not really here to complain, just wonder what other people think when they read this kinda shit posted on here
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:56 AM   #1533
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i agree, it is violent. dealt with it now. i'd normally hate discrediting or discouraging any form of art, but i realize i got to act according to the ideas of this site.
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:54 AM   #1534
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That was just a really shit piece full of ignorance and hatred, but I personally wouldn't have done anything with it other than tear it a new hole.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:20 PM   #1535
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So I just posted our first Writer of the Season. Go over and vote. Also, please let us know what changes you might want. I'm relying on your feedback here to make this work.
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Old 06-09-2013, 03:03 PM   #1536
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Looking for song writer to complete Lyrics for a song for the 911 project, 50% of the proceeds go to the building fund and the other is split between all writers involve.

Send me some links to your song writing ability.

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Old 06-10-2013, 11:33 AM   #1537
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Looking for song writer to complete Lyrics for a song for the 911 project, 50% of the proceeds go to the building fund and the other is split between all writers involve.

Send me some links to your song writing ability.

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Old 08-09-2013, 06:40 PM   #1538
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As far as the decline, it is probably at the fault of writers like myself who are extremely inconsistent on this forum. Many regulars, as AngryGoldfish said, eventually move on and then we lack people critiquing others. I remember the reason I found this forum so attractive when I was new was because I would post a poem and it was almost guaranteed that I would receive very helpful critiques. This forum really helped me personally as a poet. I really would love to return the favor and help some newbies. However, I find newbies are kind of "one and done." They post something and leave because as you look at the page you see too many 0's under replies. However, I am in the world of business and find myself extremely busy to crit them and find that when I do, I end up critiquing the regulars. I think this is a problem many regulars have. Regulars critique regulars and newbies drop off out of discouragement or dissatisfaction.

Another problem is people post and don't critique others. This is the fault of newbies who do not realize they should critique others AND it is, in fact, a rule or standard of the forum. Reinforcing this standard may shoot up participation.

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I think something we can say to newbies at the end of a critique is "try critiquing others' works, I think that helps a ton when developing as a writer.

Also, shocked by the lack of mention of the word "flow" on here nowadays.
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That's a great idea. I think we all need reminders to... ehhh... remind the newbies about how to critique and when to.

No one is at fault for the decline. It's not healthy to play the blame game—I'm not saying you are. It's an accumulation of various different factors that escalated and spiralled into what we have now. Regulars left or stopped critiquing as regularly, including myself, so we didn't show the 'newbies' how to write and critique, who would eventually take over the position as the regulars. That's how forums work. It's a cycle that somehow was broken here.
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