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Old 04-05-2008, 06:05 AM   #21
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Playing in the same room as a happy or drunk promoter won't do you much good if you start swearing at him/her though, will it? Maybe your target audience will never meet you in person, but you still have to interact with other bandmates, management, sound technicians, recording engineers, and many other people. Luck most certainly does play a factor in success, but anyone who can't even pretend to be nice for 10 minutes won't get very far.
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Old 04-05-2008, 01:07 PM   #22
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i agree completely.

no one wants to play with someone who is an asshole.

you have a session gig, and during the gig if you are demanding, disrespectful, etc. no one is going to bother calling you back if they have another project where they need a guitar player.

no one will reccomend you to others, because your an asshole.


if your the type of person that likes to talk behind other musicians back, about how much they suck. then that gets you nowhere fast.

as a musician you have to have respect towards others.
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Old 04-05-2008, 01:34 PM   #23
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Great thread I agree completely. I think this should I apply to EVERYTHING in life. If you want to be successful, you have to learn to work with people.
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Old 04-05-2008, 01:52 PM   #24
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I mostly disagree to everything in this thread. Being successfull has to do with either massive ammounts of skill or if a general audience that likes what your doing or luck. Mostly that luck factor. None of your audience needs to meet you in person, they couldnt care about your personallity. Just play really great, or play something popular at the time, or be lucky enough to play in the same room as a happy drunk promoter/producer.

And Scott, some of your threads dont really belong in MT, as they are not about Music Theory, Writing & Composition, Improvising or Sight reading.


demon, normally i give you props but i think you're a bit off here. if you're an a$$hole your fans will find out (generally when the band breaks up because of a ridiculous ego, scott weiland / axl rose anyone?) granted being extremely successful (going platinum, getting grammys etc) has to do a bit with really getting recognized and writing a good tune, you'll probably never get there if nobody can stand to work with you cuz you're a dick.

secondly, this guys in the industry. regardless of what forum this belongs in, i think maybe we can learn all learn something from the experiences of someone in the music field who is/has been successful. i for one have no problems listening to advice from someone who's been doing what most of us aspire to one day do. i don't think most anyone else in here has a problem with it either.
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Old 04-05-2008, 02:23 PM   #25
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I think there's a better attitude to become succesful. Being absolutely determined. You showed that that's what you were in that one thread. Every successful guitarist you hear about talks about how they practiced so much and devoted their lives to it and it ended up paying off. So for becoming successful, wouldn't that be more important than being a good person?
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Old 04-05-2008, 02:42 PM   #26
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^ but again, a badass who is a prick still plays with himself..... all puns intended. sure you might pique someones interest if you're incredibly good and a jerk. but you have a far better chance for success if you're nice. success can come in many forms, from being a metal superstar to scoring a soundtrack to simply writing jingles and getting paid.
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Old 04-05-2008, 02:50 PM   #27
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While it does come across as preachy, I think that is excellent. I think lots of people need to know this, and act a bit more humble. And this point not only goes for music, but for every aspect in life. The rewards of being nice, and caring, and humble, are truly amazing.

To be successful, you have to be ambitious AND humble at the same time.
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Old 04-05-2008, 03:37 PM   #28
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True. But theres always people like Malmsteen , but I know what you mean. Respect.
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Old 04-05-2008, 08:15 PM   #29
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True. But theres always people like Malmsteen , but I know what you mean. Respect.


Everybody pretty much HATES malmsteen now. His fan base is much smaller then what it used to be.
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Old 04-06-2008, 05:45 AM   #30
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While I do think you listed some excellent guidelines to being a nice musician.. I'm not sure I agree with you.

For example.. Axl Rose was hardly a darling, but he's quite succesful. Steven Tyler is a bit of an asshole too (Mustaine said so. Wait, he was a dick too...).
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Old 04-08-2008, 12:00 PM   #31
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While I do think you listed some excellent guidelines to being a nice musician.. I'm not sure I agree with you.

For example.. Axl Rose was hardly a darling, but he's quite succesful. Steven Tyler is a bit of an asshole too (Mustaine said so. Wait, he was a dick too...).


Not everyone turns out to have that kind of "rock star-rebel" career.

I play in a band with a drummer who was a complete dick to the to audio/tech guys at a VERY well playing club. They banned him from the club.
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Old 01-06-2013, 03:27 AM   #32
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I thought I'd revive this thread for the sake of further discussion. It still applies to how I approach my career and life.

So, to reiterate, showing kindness and respect to others throughout the industry, will very much benefit you as a musician in the long run.
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Old 01-06-2013, 03:46 AM   #33
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Kindness and respect don't bring you recognition or success in their own rights, but they are necessary to establish before you're able to make a name for yourself.

It's just another way to say "professionalism." No one cares that you're professional, you just need to be or else people won't work with you. It's simply an expectation.

Really being successful is all about having the diligence to make a product worth selling and being able to intelligently and persuasively market your product. It's a simple concept really, but there's a lot that goes into that. Some people just don't have the opportunities. Others don't have the skill or mindset. Others just may not want it enough.
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Old 01-06-2013, 03:50 AM   #34
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It's actually shocking how many players I run into, who aren't aware of these principles.

A favorite of mine: "There is no hope of success for the person who repels people through a negative personality. Success comes through the application of power, and power is attained, in large part, through the cooperative efforts of other people." Napoleon Hill.
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Old 01-06-2013, 03:55 AM   #35
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being successful doesn't have a lot to do with attitude.

attitude is EVERYTHING. hard work, kindness, and the remainder of the necessary components all stem from that.

as a very wise man in my life once said, "negative attitude? negative bank account." that's the way it's going to work, in music, in business, in life.
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being successful doesn't have a lot to do with attitude.

attitude is EVERYTHING. hard work, kindness, and the remainder of the necessary components all stem from that.

as a very wise man in my life once said, "negative attitude? negative bank account." that's the way it's going to work, in music, in business, in life.


Agreed.

Perfectly stated.
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