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Hell ya they are. Fuck the NCAA 16 80.00%
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Old 03-26-2014, 10:16 PM   #1
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NLRB rules college football players are employees.

http://msn.foxsports.com/college-fo...ody-blow-032614

Meaning they can unionize. At least the football players at Northwestern University can.
I have long held the opinion that college athletes are exploited for millions of dollars each year while being disallowed to hold pretty much any type of employment. They have no say in the NCAA's marketing of their names and likenesses. Are basically slaves to an educational system that does not educate them. They generate value for their institution with out commensurate compensation.

This is basically a discussion for US citizens. You Europeans and your commie ideals are welcome to participate. But I will mock you.
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Old 03-26-2014, 10:21 PM   #2
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Bullshit, athletes already get free educations. They should at least be compensated for the time they don't have to work a job. Other than that why should they get a free education and be paid thousands while the rest of us are buried in debt?
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Meaning they can unionize. At least the football players at Northwestern University can.
I have long held the opinion that college athletes are exploited for millions of dollars each year while being disallowed to hold pretty much any type of employment. They have no say in the NCAA's marketing of their names and likenesses. Are basically slaves to an educational system that does not educate them. They generate value for their institution with out commensurate compensation.


Kinda sounds like every other student.

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Bullshit, athletes already get free educations. They should at least be compensated for the time they don't have to work a job. Other than that why should they get a free education and be paid thousands while the rest of us are buried in debt?

Do you help generate hundreds of millions of dollars for your school?
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Old 03-26-2014, 10:28 PM   #6
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I pay for season tickets every years so yes I say I do.
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The NCAA is shit. I hope they are forced to compensate every athlete.
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Old 03-26-2014, 10:51 PM   #8
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I'm under the impression that college football is a cash making enterprise. Other college sports and their associated scholarships, in the US and elsewhere, are not so focused on making money for the university or some external business, rather it's more about university prestige.


Especially considering the amount of cash being made of them it's hard to argue that they aren't being 'employed'

edit: also i am a us citizen so by your rules you shouldn't mock my lack of understanding.
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Old 03-26-2014, 11:09 PM   #10
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There are exceptions, but a lot of them aren't learning shit, at least at the Division I level where so much money is involved. "Free education" my ass, take a poll of any ranked NCAA locker room and tell me how many of them, given time, are able to actually write a sourced MLA formatted paper, or even come close to fulfilling the minimum expectations of even a sophomore in their degree program, or have highly developed skills in fields other than sports, or anything else you'd expect out of someone who has studied at the university level.

Anyone that thinks these kids are held to the same academic standard as a regular student is fooling themselves. Anyone that thinks the school isn't more concerned with their star left tackle playing in a bowl game than they are with making sure one player doesn't fall through the academic cracks is being ridiculous. The ones on the big, full-ride academic scholarships aren't there as students to learn anything, they're there as athletes to earn a pro job and get the school money. I know it, you know it, the school knows it, the NCAA knows it. I wish it were otherwise, but that's what it is with how much of a money machine the NCAA is.

It's not just that they're not getting a free university education in a lot of cases, either. It's also the fact that they're risking serious, gruesome injuries that regular college students never have to risk. The cringiest injury I've seen in a football game didn't happen in the NFL, it happened in the NCAA. The most terrifying concussion I've seen didn't happen in the NFL, it happened in the NCAA. It's not just that they're not getting a university education, it's that they're putting their bodies on the line for organizations that make money hand over fist from them doing so, without seeing a single cent of it.
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Old 03-26-2014, 11:17 PM   #11
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Maybe if this becomes widespread and players get at least a little compensation, they won't be forced to sell merchandise, which for bullshit reasons is a huge violation
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Old 03-26-2014, 11:17 PM   #12
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The football team at my university does literally nothing for the school (except stir up some aggravated assault charges on campus every few months). They are consistently ranked among the worst teams in the nation and still get a free degree. The school makes nothing off their games because so few people go. They have to virtually throw merchandise at the students to get us to buy any of it since none of us or anyone outside of the university care about our shit team.

That's the situation that at least 75% of the schools in the league find themselves in.

Forcing schools like that, who are in most cases hemorrhaging money by maintaining the facilities and stadium for their shit team, to compensate their students with something other than free tuition and board is both unrealistic and unwarranted.

The schools that actually make money are the ones at the top. And in most cases they don't even get ad revenue--televisors suck all that up. The schools that make money off of branding are the very elite schools at the top of the league. Compare how many teams are recognized vs how many schools are in the league. No one buys a University of Eastern Michigan hoodie. No one buys a New Mexico State jersey. They're not making money off their teams.

Any deals to compensate players should be made individually by their respective institutions. Maybe if the school makes more than $X then they have to compensate with $Y. But forcing everyone to do it is just retarded.
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Old 03-26-2014, 11:20 PM   #13
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^should be a flat wage paid by the ncaa as a whole then. /commie.
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Old 03-27-2014, 12:00 AM   #14
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I went to a small school that used to have an excellent football team. It wasn't cost efficient and was scraped. This was many years ago and I don't think too many football programs brought in heaps of cash. My small school could barely keep a program running. Doing this will kill off any other small school or any school with a program that isn't amazing. It'll take away the chance at college some kids work their ass for. It's going to cost the schools too much to keep this going if they need to worry about extra costs.

Anywho, I have mixed feelings about this. Some players take full advantage of their situation and get amazing degrees that they secure a chance for an amazing life after college. On the other hand. Some kids are complete wastes of space that got to college because of their pension for anger and desire to kill people. Then you have the kids in between.

I don't personally care if any of these kids get anything extra. They go to college for free (or close to it) and leave debt free whether or not they are an amazing student or the anger management/slacker kid. Decades of their life are freed from student debt and worries. They will make more connections than you can imagine. That's one hell of a reward if you ask me. All for being part of a team, bot for being an individual player. Most people cheering support the school and the idea of the team existing.

Besides, they get paid a full scholarship to play football. Which, depending on the school, is more than I make in a year. I can see why the athletes get annoyed, but they are effectively getting paid over $30K a year and getting set up for a much easier time after college than many of their peers.
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Old 03-27-2014, 12:15 AM   #15
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1. a college education ain't worth shit when you don't learn anything.
2. what happens to the players who don't become superstars?
3. few people get a full ride..

if, for whatever reason, an NCAA athlete doesn't go on to a professional career, he's ****ed. he doesn't have a real college education (which probably wasn't free), he probably damaged his body in several ways, and he's got nothing to show for it

at the very least, NCAA pension system
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There are exceptions, but a lot of them aren't learning shit, at least at the Division I level where so much money is involved. "Free education" my ass

So what. They have the opportunity to take full advantage of their free education. Because most don't, we should pay them?

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It's also the fact that they're risking serious, gruesome injuries that regular college students never have to risk.

So what. They volunteer to play. Should I get paid to play in highschool?



And "normal" students definitely make their schools money. Ever heard of research?
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And "normal" students definitely make their schools money. Ever heard of research?


I was thinking about research and whatnot, but I really don't know enough about that stuff to make a good argument.

I actually have no idea what goes on in colleges lololololol

God damn high-falootin' liberal money pots
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So what. They have the opportunity to take full advantage of their free education. Because most don't, we should pay them?


Who is "we?" The NCAA is "nonprofit" billion dollar organization that is absolutely for profit.. The students wouldn't be paid by the schools.

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So what. They volunteer to play. Should I get paid to play in highschool?


last i checked, high school football wasn't a billion dollar industry
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Who is "we?" The NCAA is "nonprofit" billion dollar organization that is absolutely for profit.. The students wouldn't be paid by the schools.

True. But I still don't see why it warrants payment.

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last i checked, high school football wasn't a billion dollar industry

So it only matters when a lot of money is involved? So the low-market school athletes shouldn't be paid? What about D-III?
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