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Old 08-06-2014, 08:26 PM   #1
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When do YOU change scale?

So I got to thinking and I notice that not many songs stick to just one scale. I know it may be obvious to the seasoned vet but I'm asking when is it that you decide to change scale.

I'd think it's when you wanna do a change in emotion or "scene". I notice this in SOAD's Hypnotize from using F#m through most of the beginning and E in the end so...well when you feel like a mood change ig.
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Old 08-06-2014, 09:21 PM   #2
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I don't change scales, I change keys. Like a pro.

I do it when I want. I do it how I want. I usually do it so I can imagine the frustration on players' faces (violinists in particular). And dammit, those are good enough reasons for me.
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Old 08-06-2014, 09:28 PM   #3
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I don't change scales, I change keys. Like a pro.

lel. This.

I'm not saying that to be a jerk or anything. I just don't think in terms of scales. I think in keys. I think in terms of intervals. I try to fit what I'm playing to the song, feel how I'm interacting with the other instruments (or backing track). And if I want to play a b3 against a major chord, I do -- provided it fits the song. If I want to play a b7 against a chord that doesn't contain a b7, I do! You have to do it tastefully, but I think I've reached the point where it's more intuitive for me to just think in terms of keys and intervals.
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Old 08-06-2014, 09:46 PM   #4
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lel. This.

I'm not saying that to be a jerk or anything. I just don't think in terms of scales. I think in keys. I think in terms of intervals. I try to fit what I'm playing to the song, feel how I'm interacting with the other instruments (or backing track). And if I want to play a b3 against a major chord, I do -- provided it fits the song. If I want to play a b7 against a chord that doesn't contain a b7, I do! You have to do it tastefully, but I think I've reached the point where it's more intuitive for me to just think in terms of keys and intervals.

Yeah, I'm still very much working on internalizing that stuff. It's tough.
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Old 08-07-2014, 12:42 AM   #5
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Old 08-07-2014, 12:43 AM   #6
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Chromatic, just play all chromatic. Over and over and over.
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Old 08-07-2014, 04:19 AM   #7
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So I got to thinking and I notice that not many songs stick to just one scale.


Most songs DO stick to one scale.

To answer your question I think more about using accidentals than changing scales. Why remember 20 different scales when I can just remember two, and change them with accidentals when I want to hear a different sound.
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Old 08-07-2014, 03:42 PM   #8
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I change to the classical scale if I want to create this sort of mood
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Old 08-07-2014, 07:16 PM   #9
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i havent had to change scales in a few years. you might want to just put in new batteries, it's pretty wasteful to buy a whole new scale every time the batteries die out
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Old 08-07-2014, 07:28 PM   #10
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I change scales when it sounds good, like everything else I do in music.
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Old 08-08-2014, 03:19 AM   #11
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TS, your problem isn't not knowing when to change scales, it's not knowing how to think in sounds.
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Old 08-08-2014, 01:13 PM   #12
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i havent had to change scales in a few years. you might want to just put in new batteries, it's pretty wasteful to buy a whole new scale every time the batteries die out


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Old 08-08-2014, 01:22 PM   #13
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The scales change when management and I hold a meeting, and we decide the metrics are all wrong for our employees, right now we are grading on a sliding scale of "overachiever" with "lazy ass" down at the bottom, and "Performing" smack dab in the middle. We feel with this scale, we can achieve the bottom line - but we'll change it when business fads change!
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Old 08-08-2014, 02:11 PM   #14
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I've been playing e phrygian mode fer like 10,000 days ( I <3 tool) but yeah typically folks just stick to one scale in a song. If you do more than that it sounds like your trying to hard
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Old 08-08-2014, 02:42 PM   #15
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I've been playing e phrygian mode fer like 10,000 days ( I <3 tool) but yeah typically folks just stick to one scale in a song. If you do more than that it sounds like your trying to hard



Some songs need changing scales, some don't. If the song only uses diatonic chords, you don't need to change scales (and most of the time you only want to stay inside of one scale). But if there are lots of non-diatonic chords, you have to change scales because not all notes in one scale sound good over all chords. For example if we have a pretty basic progression like E-G-A-C, you can't use one scale over everything (or actually you can - E minor pentatonic would fit the progression pretty well). But if you want to hit chord tones, E major scale only works over E and A major chords. You need to use E minor over G and C because G# in E major scale will clash with G major chord and C# in E major scale will clash with C major chord.

I would suggest learning about scale and chord construction. Learn the note names and intervals.
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I change to the classical scale if I want to create this sort of mood
Wow, aren't you nice...

Now, stop being an asshole. Either remove that link please, or I will report your post (so that a mod can remove the link).

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TS, your problem isn't not knowing when to change scales, it's not knowing how to think in sounds.

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Wow, aren't you nice...

Now, stop being an asshole. Either remove that link please, or I will report your post (so that a mod can remove the link).

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The scales change when management and I hold a meeting, and we decide the metrics are all wrong for our employees, right now we are grading on a sliding scale of "overachiever" with "lazy ass" down at the bottom, and "Performing" smack dab in the middle. We feel with this scale, we can achieve the bottom line - but we'll change it when business fads change!


going forward we will be using Dorian mode for all inhouse meetings. Feel free to use Mixolydian with prospective clients
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I prefer to use a more unstructured approach to composition as to achieve a greater musical purity. The use of keys and scales is paramount to a regressive outlook on the whole and should be avoided if you seek total transcendence
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Old 08-17-2014, 02:56 PM   #20
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lol @ the scale/key thing. I couldn't think of the word at the time :3 I'm gonna leave it unedited for the lulz
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