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Old 10-19-2012, 05:54 PM   #15781
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Psh, what is there to like about Chopin?

He had no innovations, had no substance in most of his writing, couldn't write for anything besides the piano, and couldn't deal with any larger form works.
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Old 10-19-2012, 05:57 PM   #15782
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Well, I don't know much about no Chopin, but I do know I'm bout to go choppin' down like johnny appleseed, ya erd meh?
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Old 10-19-2012, 06:02 PM   #15783
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My advisor at school was just talking to me about this... Theres a book (the name escapes me) that compiled music critic's articles from the periods in which Mozart's 5th symphony and other compositions we see as classical music staples that tear them apart.
Things like Mahler's 5th Symphony where critics call it "drab and boring." Things like that.
Thing is, people are going to like and dislike stuff.

I, for one, have a hard time listening to symphonic music. It doesn't give me any emotional reactions so it just becomes hard to listen to. Plus music school kind of forces you to look at symphonic pieces in an analytic sense which kills it further.
I also feel like the piano is a very bland instrument because of the lack of different timbre's you can get out of with without using "extended techniques."
Thats why I don't look at Chopin and go "What a genius. What an incredible contributor to music as we know it."

Eddie Harris though. Thats a dude I can get behind.
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Old 10-19-2012, 06:31 PM   #15784
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Plus music school kind of forces you to look at symphonic pieces in an analytic sense which kills it further.


I'm the opposite, I remember trying to listen to classical music way back when I was doing GCSE music because I wanted practice differentiating between the different periods for our listening exams and I had problems listening to longer works, even material like Haydn's symphonies, because even though a lot of the themes were 'popular' sounding, without any understanding of musical form everything seemed to blur into one over time. I actually think it would have been better for my own personal appreciation of classical music if our classes back then had gone more into the nuts and bolts of how classical music works than just 'THIS IS BAROQUE, IT HAS HARPSICHORDS, NOW WITHOUT ANY OPPORTUNITY TO PROPERLY IMMERSE YOURSELF IN IT'S MUSICAL CHARACTERISTICS, LEARN TO DISTINGUISH IT FROM THESE SIMILAR SOUNDING PIECES OF THE CLASSICAL ERA.'
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Old 10-19-2012, 07:29 PM   #15785
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My advisor at school was just talking to me about this... Theres a book (the name escapes me) that compiled music critic's articles from the periods in which Mozart's 5th symphony and other compositions we see as classical music staples that tear them apart.
Things like Mahler's 5th Symphony where critics call it "drab and boring." Things like that.
Thing is, people are going to like and dislike stuff.

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Old 10-19-2012, 07:34 PM   #15786
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One of the few from Chopin that had substance, and I suspect that most people who like Chopin doesn't like this one.

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Old 10-19-2012, 07:40 PM   #15787
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What makes that any more substantive than any other Chopin piano piece?
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Old 10-19-2012, 07:44 PM   #15788
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I also feel like the piano is a very bland instrument

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Old 10-19-2012, 07:45 PM   #15789
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What makes that any more substantive than any other Chopin piano piece?

It's a good treatment of utilizing all 12 chromatic tones through interesting voiceleading. It's also free of the excessive and oversaturated ornamentations and romanticism he usually uses to fluff up his pieces.
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Old 10-19-2012, 07:57 PM   #15790
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I kind of agree with him. Solo piano music can be extremely bland and I find it gets taxing to listen to after a while, the tone is just so plain. Also it doesn't help that piano accompaniment is the absolute fucking worst thing. If I have to hear one more solo voice and piano lieder or voice with piano reduction I'm going to go apeshit ballistic.
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:04 PM   #15791
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I find the "gets taxing" bit is pretty much true of anything, though. What's a solo instrument you wouldn't get tired of hearing after a while?
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I find the "gets taxing" bit is pretty much true of anything, though. What's a solo instrument you wouldn't get tired of hearing after a while?

Yeah, I guess that's true. There's something about the piano that just makes it seem so... average.

Also, solo saxophone (like contemporary classical solo sax) is something I wouldn't get bored of very quickly. So there
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Yeah, I guess that's true. There's something about the piano that just makes it seem so... average.

Also, solo saxophone (like contemporary classical solo sax) is something I wouldn't get bored of very quickly. So there


Who are some artists that do contemporary classical solo sax? That sounds interesting i would like to hear some of it, if you don't mind.
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:36 PM   #15794
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That is a great question, I wish I knew the answer. I haven't every written for sax so I've never really looked at a lot of music for it. I just remember hearing an amazing concert a while ago, but I can't for the life of me remember what the pieces were...
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:42 PM   #15796
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:57 PM   #15798
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Old 10-19-2012, 09:02 PM   #15799
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Who are some artists that do contemporary classical solo sax? That sounds interesting i would like to hear some of it, if you don't mind.


Sigurd Rascher is the big daddy of classical saxophone. Played in the classical style the sax sounds very clarinet like with a bit of an almost oboe-like timbre in there.

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Jeff Coffin plays in a mostly classical style while playing primarily jazz:




Glazunov is just about the only big (if he's even big at all anymore ha!) composer to write a concerto for sax that I know:

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