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Old 02-27-2008, 08:09 PM   #1
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Exclamation Plagiarism Callout: -Sidewinder-

Hi

I recently looked at the "metalcore collab"-thread, that by chance happened to be bumped again today. I noticed that user "-Sidewinder-" took his part straight from my song "Twisted Remains" (and I don't mean "inspired", I mean straight copypasta), which I posted almost 2 years ago over at mysongbook.com (see comment dates for verification)

So I looked at all the threads he posted
( http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...earchid=1108086 ) and found out this was not a singular incident. Below are all the plagiarisms I found so far . I strongly suspect that some more of his posted songs are ripoffs, but hey I can't remember every song I've heard. I'll notify the forums of mysongbook.com, maybe some more composers of them will recognize their work.


The case is pretty much clear: with that much material from multiple composers there's not much to excuse: No, you can't be related to all of them, no you can't live in england, sweden and canada at the same time, no a mistaken file may happen once but not 8+ times, etc...

So without further ado, here's what I found so far. Listen and compare:

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"Metalcore Collab Thread"
http://ultimate-guitar.com/forum/sh...81&page=2&pp=20
File: CollabsongFINAL
What stolen ? - Bar 62-73

Where stolen ?:
MY Song: Ailes du Serpent - "Twisted Remains"
http://mysongbook.com/tab-tab_list-...ature=65416.htm

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"Avenged Sevenfold Style"
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...ad.php?t=708618
File: Song30
What stolen ? - Intro, Chorus, Solo, last Verse

Where stolen ?
MY Song: Ailes du Serpent - "Once and for all"
http://mysongbook.com/tab-tab_list-...ature=67161.htm

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"In Flames Style"
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...ad.php?t=530328
File: Song 16
What Stolen: Complete Song

Where stolen ?
Latura - "Take A Chance"
http://mysongbook.com/tab-tab_list-...ature=65698.htm

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"Intense Metal"
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...ad.php?t=570480
File: New Metal Song
What stolen ? - Complete song

Where stolen ?
Jack Thorp - A Dreamstate Solitude
http://mysongbook.com/tab-tab_list-...ature=28550.htm

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"A real Song"
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...ad.php?t=729341
File: Song 31
What stolen ? - Intro, Outro

Where stolen ?
December Falls - Geisha
http://mysongbook.com/tab-tab_list-...ature=37985.htm

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"New Metal Song"
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...ad.php?t=507932
File: Song 13
What stolen ? - Clean Verse Riff

Where stolen ?
Latura - "Funeral of the Sacred"
http://mysongbook.com/tab-tab_list-...ature=66402.htm

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"Heavy Metal"
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...ad.php?t=651113
File: Song 27
What stolen ? - Complete Song

Where Stolen ?
My Song: Ailes du Serpent - "Twisted Remains"
http://mysongbook.com/tab-tab_list-...ature=65416.htm

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"Back to Original"
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...ad.php?t=616940
File: Song 25
What stolen ? - Complete Song

Where Stolen ?
ProFiction - "Eternal AD"
http://mysongbook.com/tab-tab_list-...ature=35706.htm

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edit:
addition - new stolen songs found by *jester*
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Found some more of his stolen songs:

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Bert Orvar
http://www.mysongbook.com/tab-tab_l...ature=16476.htm

Stolen directly to create:
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...ad.php?t=605531

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Another really bad old song of mine:
http://www.mysongbook.com/tab-tab_l...ature=31486.htm

Stolen here:
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...ad.php?t=609159

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Normally I'd just notify the mods and the user in private, but I think this is something all should know. I don't like it when other people parade my and other songs around and get mad props "dude ur song is soooo cooool!!11!", and the true composers don't get any credit.
It already happened to me once that a anglo-canadian metalcore band tried to ripoff my song without any credits or contact (see http://mysongbook.com/forum-posts-id_topic=31577.htm if anyone cares for that story) - it'd be ironic if that'd be the same guy, as they also ripped other composers' songs from mysongbook. I just found out later because they even had the nerve to keep it the same song title.

Anyway, thanks for your attention. Bye



Edit: "-Sidewinder-" is aware of this callout and seems to be editing stuff. I suggest looking and comparing the evidence for yourself now before it's gone

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Old 02-27-2008, 08:15 PM   #2
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Good searching and well noticed.

However, unless the songs are copyrighted, there's not a lot anyone can do.
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Old 02-27-2008, 08:15 PM   #3
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do you have the material copyrighted? if not then tough luck.
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Old 02-27-2008, 08:16 PM   #4
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Old 02-27-2008, 08:17 PM   #5
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wow this is a shock... damnit Lets hear sidewinders end of the story
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Old 02-27-2008, 08:18 PM   #6
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Old 02-27-2008, 08:23 PM   #7
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what a scumbag. who does that
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Old 02-27-2008, 08:26 PM   #8
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Jokes on him because he chose to steal some really **** old songs of mine, so if he cant even write anything better than those old crap songs then there is really no hope for him.
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Old 02-27-2008, 08:29 PM   #9
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"However, unless the songs are copyrighted, there's not a lot anyone can do."
"do you have the material copyrighted? if not then tough luck"

I always fill out the F5-songinfo in GP (which he erased, by the way). I don't seek any legal action, I just want to bring attention to this and bring the credits and acclaim from his works to the people who really deserve it, the original composers.
What happens to him here is not in my infuence and not of my concern, it's just about the audience who should know who composed the songs they might like


"Lets hear sidewinders end of the story "

There is not much to hear. There are so many cases of plagiarizing from multiple composers, from lifted passages to whole songs, that there aren't many excuses. No, he can't BE all of them, can he ? He also can't know all of them (most probably doesn't know any of them). And a "mistake", for example you save another song in your own composition-folder, may happen ONCE but not 8+ times



Edit: If you want to look and compare the songs for yourself, I suggest doing it fast now. Some people will try to cover their tracks and edit stuff out, in cases like this

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Old 02-27-2008, 08:32 PM   #10
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yeah i see on the first two he took your chorus and turned it into like a whole song. He also took the solo and such. Witch sux cause he should create hes own stuff . Well hopefully he posts back with one hell of an explanation like maybe he was drunk

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Old 02-27-2008, 08:52 PM   #11
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"like maybe he was drunk "

with that amount of copypasta he must be an alcoholic at least ..
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Old 02-27-2008, 08:56 PM   #12
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They need a law against surfing the internet drunk =P . Sorry to hear that, I actually critiqued a couple of those songs for him >_> . Can't wait to hear his side... if he decides to show up.
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Old 02-27-2008, 08:57 PM   #13
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Yeah i read his profile lol he talks about it a bit
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:07 PM   #14
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It seems to be always Canadians who steal music as well.

Some Canadian dude recorded one of my songs once and claimed it was his, and then a Canadian band ripped off Ailes song, and now this joker Sidewinder who looks like he is from Canada stolen loads of peoples tunes.

There is a pattern emerging!
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:14 PM   #15
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@Forum: Who is the responsible moderator I can write a message ?

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Old 02-27-2008, 09:15 PM   #16
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lol damn canadians with there cheap vodka no wonder hes drunk lol
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:30 PM   #17
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Found some more of his stolen songs:


Bert Orvar
http://www.mysongbook.com/tab-tab_l...ature=16476.htm

Stolen directly to create:
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...ad.php?t=605531

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Another really bad old song of mine:
http://www.mysongbook.com/tab-tab_l...ature=31486.htm

Stolen here:
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...ad.php?t=609159

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Haha man, these songs were submitted to mysongbook 4/5 years ago!

He must be fairly stupid to have thought that nobody from mysongbook would download one of "his" songs and recognise it!
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:42 PM   #18
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Wow.
What a DICK!.
I thought Sidewinder was a good composer, but it looks like he was just a fraud.
Sonofabitch.

Ailes, if I were you, I would be soo pissed.
I'd break his face if I could

Oh, and your songs are excellent
EDIT: Jester, your songs kick ass too.
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:57 PM   #19
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"Ailes, if I were you, I would be soo pissed. I'd break his face if I could.
Oh, and your songs are excellent "


Thanks. I feel no ill will - stuff like this is to be expected.
This isn't about me, this is about you, the audience. The dude here got mad props for stuff he didn't do, and no one would know the original composers (and more of their good work).
"I thought Sidewinder was a good composer, but it looks like he was just a fraud." - That's why I made a callout thread instead of settling this in private, as I saw how much ripoff and false acclaim was going on.

@*jester*: thanks for the info, I updated the OP

and again, @Forum: can anybody direct me to the responsible mod for this matter ?
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:59 PM   #20
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This user should be banned, this is stupid and disgusting, theres not even any reason to steal for this site other than personal fame.
Please ban him, if there is any justice.
Also to everyone who had **** stolen, your GP4 files or whatever should all have a "Date created" thingo which will prove you made it and not him.
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