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Old 04-23-2015, 08:49 PM   #1
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irregular plurals in english

we will call the "add -s or -es" schtick regular.
we will also call changes from f to v and /θ/ to /­/ regular. not making that change we will call irregular
we will call "monkeys" regular.
will will consider anything else irregular

ok go

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Old 04-23-2015, 08:50 PM   #2
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it's a loan word from latin so people adhered to the latin rules for pluralizing nouns of that particular declension. i can't give you specifics cause i don't know latin. it's probably old enough that who even cares anymore?

cool plural:

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these are regular according to the op you didn't read
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really though the team is named after a canadian wwi battalion.. hence "leafs" and not "leaves" fck yr english bud
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it's a loan word from latin so people adhered to the latin rules for pluralizing nouns of that particular declension. i can't give you specifics cause i don't know latin. it's probably old enough that who even cares anymore?

I gotchu.

It's the first declension of six (I think) in Latin. Nouns that end with -a (normally feminine nouns) are generally pluralised as -ae. This is done in the nominative and vocative cases.
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these are regular according to the op you didn't read

Yeah, but I couldn't find any good reason why that should be considered regular. I do what I want.
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it's a loan word from latin so people adhered to the latin rules for pluralizing nouns of that particular declension. i can't give you specifics cause i don't know latin. it's probably old enough that who even cares anymore?

cool plural:

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so the same with bacterium/bacteria.

fish is a ****ed up idea
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cause you could fill the entirety of the pit with words like that. it's way more uncommon and cool for a word ending in f to just take an -s and not change. idk if that's the convention, but i also dc

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so the same with bacterium/bacteria.

fish is a ****ed up idea


yeah, those are grammatically neuter and come from x declension (maybe chris will tell you)
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I say cactuses 'cause who the **** says cacti lol.

and I live in dirt and cactus land so I am a real authority on this subject.

sometimes I just say "all that cactus" though.
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cause you could fill the entirety of the pit with words like that. it's way more uncommon and cool for a word ending in f to just take an -s and not change. idk if that's the convention, but i also dc

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Okay, fine.

How do you feel about the pluralisation of the word "octopus?" Many argue that it is "octopi," "octopodes," and "octopoden" claiming it has Latin roots. I've read it is etymologically rooted in ancient Greek but I know very, very little about Ancient Greek, so how should the word be pluralised (for the sake of pedantry)?
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automata yes good

automata comes from a type of noun in ancient greek (only thing i know about) called a substantive adjective (an adj turned into a noun) and it follows the 'tau-stem neuter' declension. the essential endings (if you use it as a subject) are -mat and -mata but -mat renders as -ma cause they didn't end words in t

lots of other words have this origin (problem, sperm) but do not necessarily have plural issues.

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Okay, fine.

How do you feel about the pluralisation of the word "octopus?" Many argue that it is "octopi," "octopodes," and "octopoden" claiming it has Latin roots. I've read it is etymologically rooted in ancient Greek but I know very, very little about Ancient Greek, so how should the word be pluralised (for the sake of pedantry)?


octopuses sounds best to me.

the word is a compound of two greek words. those dudes were big into octopuses in their art but i don't think they used that word.

the words in question are okto and pous. i won't bother with the actual greek characters unless you wanna see them. okto just means 8 and like most but unfortunately not all of the numbers, it doesn't decline.

pous means foot. it's the same p in origin as pedestrian and other latin-derived ped- words in english. however, it's also the same in origin as the f in foot via something called grimm's law.

pous declines but a d suddenly appears in the other cases. that's cause pous is essentially *pods but greeks wouldn't end words in ds (or d for that matter) so it renders as pous. it's pronounced like poops but without the second p, btw. pous is actually paradigmatic wrt a larger type of noun essentially ending in d. it's not special

the anc. greek plural, in the nominative case, is podes. so this is why the "proper" plural is octopodes. but we are english speakers, not ancient greek speakers, and the complicated phonology that lets this happen is entirely missing in english. so imo just go with what you feel who cares

as a side note, grimms law also says that an inherented d may change to a t, so that explains the t in foot. BUT to be sure, pous and foot share a common ancestor, foot does not actually derive from pous.
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