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Old 09-14-2008, 12:46 PM   #61
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Well, I have a little announcement to make:

I will be purchasing a Metro Bluesbreaker very soon. I've always wanted that bell-like plexi clean sound, and I loved the Marshall re-issue, but found that it didn't sound very much like an original. Well, thanks to George at Metro amps, my problem is solved.

I'll post pics and clips when I get it.
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Old 09-14-2008, 12:51 PM   #62
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Nice

Is George's Bluesbreaker the stock JTM45 in a box or the lower gain JTM45 w/ tremolo circuit? I know some of the guys over at the Metro boards were putting their JTM45s into Bluesbreaker cabinets.

Either way, I'm sure you'll love it, I use a Metropoulos JTM45 head, the cleans are unbelievable. They're not like plexi cleans (as in 1987 or 1959slp plexis), they're even better.

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Old 09-14-2008, 12:53 PM   #63
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Well, I have a little announcement to make:

I will be purchasing a Metro Bluesbreaker very soon. I've always wanted that bell-like plexi clean sound, and I loved the Marshall re-issue, but found that it didn't sound very much like an original. Well, thanks to George at Metro amps, my problem is solved.

I'll post pics and clips when I get it.

Send me it when your thr




I wish I could afford a nice b00teek amp, but alas, I am but a poor student.


I would like to find a nice Sunn Model T reissue or original, though.
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Old 09-14-2008, 12:55 PM   #64
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Old 09-14-2008, 02:59 PM   #65
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Around 2300 $ plus shipping. If you guys must know, I've been saving up for an amp for over 4 years. Anyway, after this amp, my gear setup will be complete, so I won't be buying stuff for a while.

Al: I'm pretty sure George uses the JTM45.

He only sells a JTM 45 kit ( which is his cheapest one), not a JTM 45/BB kit. Plus, the tremolo on the BB circuit is useless IMO. I'd like to have a bit more gain anyway.

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Old 09-14-2008, 03:01 PM   #66
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^Rigs are never complete.


Aw, who am I kidding? You're right.

I'm sigging that, tho.
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Old 09-14-2008, 04:13 PM   #68
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Aw, who am I kidding? You're right.

I'm sigging that, tho.





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Old 09-14-2008, 04:32 PM   #69
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Around 2300 $ plus shipping. If you guys must know, I've been saving up for an amp for over 4 years. Anyway, after this amp, my gear setup will be complete, so I won't be buying stuff for a while.

Al: I'm pretty sure George uses the JTM45.

He only sells a JTM 45 kit ( which is his cheapest one), not a JTM 45/BB kit. Plus, the tremolo on the BB circuit is useless IMO. I'd like to have a bit more gain anyway.


I was just wondering if he was expanding his products since the BB wasn't on his list when I ordered from him (actually, its still not on his site yet). In terms of his kits, I know you can get a JTM-50 (basically the JTM45 parts with el-34s, solid state rectifier and the JMP50 transformers) or bass spec JMP50 and superleads in kit or amp form from him if you specify. (I may be ordering a bass spec JMP50 later down the road if I ever get bored of the JTM45)

And I agree about the tremolo circuit, I don't really think the tremolo sounds good enough to sacrifice gain from the amp. Either way, you're one lucky human being, that clip of the Metro Bluesbreaker combo just sounds incredible, just listening to it is making me inch close to ordering a pair of Celestion golds.

but alas, no funds for it... though I could just sell a few textbooks.... haha.

Anyway, to continue the Metropoulos lovefest...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tESq...feature=related

And some awesome playing courtesy of Todd Duane, who just has a sick collection of Marshalls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiWL...feature=related (50 watt JMP, MF)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJJC...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqCC...feature=related (Superbass)
(not a Marshall, but pseudo-Marshall tone)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Sf2...feature=related (ditto on this one)

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Old 09-14-2008, 06:36 PM   #70
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another good vintage marshal-based company is Goodsell
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Old 09-14-2008, 06:53 PM   #71
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Though not a vintage amp, per se, this thing nails vintage tones as well, if not better, than most other amps I've heard.


http://roccaforteamps.com/sbytes40.htm


SOOOOOOO gonna get one of these (eventually)
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Old 09-14-2008, 09:05 PM   #72
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I added Al's links to the first page
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Old 09-14-2008, 09:12 PM   #73
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Cool thread. I looove vintage amps. Too bad I can't afford a lot of em
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Old 09-14-2008, 09:52 PM   #74
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Just asking, but how do Bassmen and and BBs compare?
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Old 09-14-2008, 09:58 PM   #75
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Just asking, but how do Bassmen and and BBs compare?


Tonally, they're pretty similar, but the Bassman used 12at7s and 6L6s and the JTM45 uses 12ax7s and kt66s giving it a different kind of breakup and more gain. Transformers also differed, also the Marshall JTM45s were traditionally played through a 4x12 cabinet of Celestions while the '59 Bassman used a quad of 10" Jensons.

Outside of that, the circuits are pretty much identical but the change to British components affect the sound quite a bit. The Bassman is the sound of early American rock and roll, the JTM45 is the more aggressive sound of British blues and hard rock.

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Old 09-15-2008, 12:28 PM   #76
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Well hey everybody!

SHoudl have posted earlier probably. As you knwo I'm into vintage tone. I also own a clone of a 1966 Marshall 1974 (18 watter, normal channel only)

Here's a clip, with a 2x12 loaded with 1977 Celestion G12-50s.

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Well hey everybody!

SHoudl have posted earlier probably. As you knwo I'm into vintage tone. I also own a clone of a 1966 Marshall 1974 (18 watter, normal channel only)

Here's a clip, with a 2x12 loaded with 1977 Celestion G12-50s.



again, i LOVE that video!


i saw your Rocker 30 vid too - very nice indeed
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Ok, seeing as Al took care of the the technical stuff, I'll have to shorten my post considerably.

The Fender Bassman has gone through many transformations since it was released in 1952.

Here are the different Bassman era amps:

Tweed Bassman (1952-1959): The Marshall JTM 45 and Bluesbreaker designs were based on this amp. The original series 1 Bluesbreaker was equiped with 4x10 speakers, like the 59 Bassman. The circuitry is similar, except for the different tubes British parts and the tremolo on the BB. These sound a bit different than the BB due to the 4x10 speaker configuration.

Blonde/ Blackface Bassman (1960-1968): These are considered by many to be the best Bassmans ever. They sound close to the Tweed models, but sound more tame.
These sound very much like the BB/JTM45, due to the fact that they still use valve rectification ( blonde models) and are used with a 2x12 cab.

Silverface bassman ( 1968-1980)
These amps don't compare to a BB/JTM 45 due to the fact that Fender screwed up the circuits on these, making them sound very transparent, with little breakup.


Now, if you want to compare a Bassman to a BB, the Bassman's Bass channel sounds exactly like a Marshall plexi; dark, moody, rich, etc.

The Bassman's normal channel sounds very different. It's that typical Fender clean sound.

Now this is why I love the Bassman: Both channels are very different. The Marshall's channels sound great, but there isn't a huge difference in sound, except for the fact that one channel has a more trebly response.

Now, for the price, the Bassman really shines. You can get a vintage blackface head and cab or a bit under a grand on Ebay, compared to the Bluesbreaker re-issues' 2300$ asking price.

A vintage bassman sounds better than a modern BB, but the bassman Re-issue doesn't sound as good as the BB.

A Metro BB would be a great alternative to the Marshall version.

So, to sum it up:

Bassman: Great price, tonally different channels, great cleans, bass channel is to die for, good value on vintage models. 50 watts, class A/B.

Bluesbreaker: Expensive, but warmer, moodier and better overdrive. Needs Kt66s. Classic British tone, made to be cranked, with footswitchable tremolo. 30 watts, class A/B.
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The difference in channels on the bluesbreaker is not to different from the 59 tweed bassman imo. I think they're both pretty drastic. I wouldn't say the bassman's normal channel sounds like a plexi. A plexi imo is even brighter and more aggressive sounding than the JTM45 which tonally sounds like a tweed bassman with a British accent and a bad temper.

The normal channel on either amp is too dark and muddy to use with a les paul, which needs the bright channel. However, at lower volumes, the bright channel has the tendency to get ice picky on high notes, but this goes away as you turn up the volume. Usually what I do is bridge low bright to high normal inputs and use the high treble input to mix the channels, then you can really hear a difference between the two and how it affects the sound when you mix in the normal channel. I use the normal channel volume as my low end control as I typically run the actual bass on zero (otherwise its just gets way too flabby).
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