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Old 11-13-2008, 05:14 AM   #41
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In relation to the sound experience you might want to add the 'Satrianistyle' of practicing modes (or pitch axis practice or w/e you want to call it). In simple, play the low E note and play E ionian over it, after that, play another mode of E over it (I prefer lydian or mixolydian next so you hear the subtle, yet big, differences between the two)

I posted this a while back.
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:14 AM   #42
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I think enter sandman is locrian...
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:47 AM   #43
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I think enter sandman is locrian...
Seems to be, yeah. That E in the very first riff is the most prominent note, establishing tonal center. But a Bb is used instead of an B and a G is also used. Very locrian.

It's not really a locrian progression though. Have fun trying to improvise over it without clashing or sounding muddy (sure it's entirely possible though).
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Is the solo from Repentance by DT in D lydian?
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:50 AM   #45
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Seems to be, yeah. That E in the very first riff is the most prominent note, establishing tonal center. But a Bb is used instead of an B and a G is also used. Very locrian.

It's not really a locrian progression though. Have fun trying to improvise over it without clashing or sounding muddy (sure it's entirely possible though).


Harmonic wise it's more of an EMinor with a b5 (blues note). Else I could name 1000 blues songs in locrian.

But it could also be Locrian, but try outlining it locrian and it would sound shit. Of course u can make locrian song, but it won't sound right. You could even write a song with quarter notes, but it just doesn't appeal.

And Repentance solo is Pink floyd "rip of" sorta speak in a good way. it's just various modulations.
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Harmonic wise it's more of an EMinor with a b5 (blues note). Else I could name 1000 blues songs in locrian.

But it could also be Locrian, but try outlining it locrian and it would sound shit. Of course u can make locrian song, but it won't sound right. You could even write a song with quarter notes, but it just doesn't appeal.

And Repentance solo is Pink floyd "rip of" sorta speak in a good way. it's just various modulations.
I'm talking about the main riff. Most blues songs are not locrian because a perfect fifth will be used as a chord tone. In the riff to enter sandman I don't think Hetfield uses a perfect fifth? Anyone know if he uses a B anywhere in that riff? I'll go check the tabs.
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I'm talking about the main riff. Most blues songs are not locrian because a perfect fifth will be used as a chord tone. In the riff to enter sandman I don't think Hetfield uses a perfect fifth? Anyone know if he uses a B anywhere in that riff? I'll go check the tabs.


The first chord E power chord rings a bell?
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The first chord E power chord rings a bell?


The one that doesn't appear until long after the "locrian" riff begins?
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The one that doesn't appear until long after the "locrian" riff begins?

Ah yes I thought he meant by main riff the one where the drum beat comes in, not the riff with the tom's groove.

Edit: soz the toms riffs the 2nd guitar play's an A nd E chord, I meant the intro riff with the hats.
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Enter Sandman in Locrian?

I guess in the opening riff includes the Min 3rd, Tonic, Diminished Fifth, and Perfect 4th.

The song's not really based around a Locrian however. Would it be fairer to call it a Aeolian with the occasional use of a Diminished 5th, because as was pointed out there are a fair few times when the Perfect Fifth is used as well.
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Old 11-21-2008, 10:08 PM   #51
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Enter Sandman in Locrian?

I guess in the opening riff includes the Min 3rd, Tonic, Diminished Fifth, and Perfect 4th.

The song's not really based around a Locrian however. Would it be fairer to call it a Aeolian with the occasional use of a Diminished 5th, because as was pointed out there are a fair few times when the Perfect Fifth is used as well.
The perfect fifth isn't used as part of the riff. It's used in a powerchord as a way to beef up another note. The fifths of powerchords don't make individual melodies and therefore shouldn't be considered when analyzing the riff.

The riffs in locrian
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I'm sorry to say that I don't know any songs which strongly represent locrian. Maybe death metal like necrophagist. If someone here has a good example of a strong locrian sound, then please tell me and I will put it here.


Due to the instability of Locrian (it has a very strong tendency to pull to the b2, the first note of the Ionian mode) it's virtually impossible to create a "strong" Locrian feel.

EDIT: There's no way Enter Sandman is in Locrian. The opening riffs all constantly resolve to the E or the A. It's just in the E Hexatonic Blues Scale, if you want to get technical.
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2nd link in my signature is vamps for every mode explained + a solo (and explanation)
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This is what my guitar teacher told me when I played horribly out of scale through key changes. I was like wtf is the difference, to which he replied: everything.
Hearing music or sound is hearing a plane flying overhead, or the sounds of cars passing by. Listening to music is instead of hearing a car, hearing what the engine is (v8, v12 etcetera).

If you want to learn modes, you really have to listen to music. Hum every note of the melody along with the song (or follow along in your head if you’re not a good singer), whatever you prefer. Determine at which note u get the "mode" feeling. This worked for me. When I really listened, note by note, I could hum the modes (and/or hear them in my head) within a week or 2, because I had them linked with the modes in my mind.

This is easier then it sounds, you just have to open your mind.



Good tip in general, but it applies to all aspects of music not just modes as implied.

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"If you want to learn modes, you really have to listen to music."

really it should say "If you want to learn music, you really have to listen to music. "

Modes is just 1 part of music that the general rule you stated applies to.

I guess I'm saying that your main point at the beginning is another lesson altogether.

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Good tip in general, but it applies to all aspects of music not just modes as implied.

Example:

"If you want to learn modes, you really have to listen to music."

really it should say "If you want to learn music, you really have to listen to music. "

Modes is just 1 part of music that the general rule you stated applies to.

I guess I'm saying that your main point at the beginning is another lesson altogether.


Ah yes, it's a general thing in music all together, but when I wrote the lesson I just wrote it then
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Ah yes, it's a general thing in music all together, but when I wrote the lesson I just wrote it then


NP, I can understand how that would happen, and it is a good tip
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Is the solo from Repentance by DT in D lydian?


Nah, B Dorian.
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(R, 2, b3, 4, 5, 6, b7)

If (R) is fret 1, what are the rest?

This is really interesting but I really can't translate these yet

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