xxdarrenxx

Those are scale formula's and relate to the Major scale.

In the key of C it's this;
(every number is a note)

R = root note or 1.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
C, D, E, F, G, A, B

So this is;
R, 2, b3, 4, 5, 6, b7
C, D, Eb, F, G, A, Bb

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Sticky and make this the only modes thread? Please?

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Thanks , this helps a lot, much appreciated.

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Yeah, can we please sticky this......

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is good. i think of dorian like monks chanting if you play the scale

kampfgolem

About Overture 1928's solo as a Dorian Example...

First off, I didn't search the thread for responses or comments- I'm falling asleep here, but I couldn't wait til tomorrow and risk forgetting about this... then again I can't see any edits in the OP, so I guess nobody's commented on this.

I'm pretty sure the C#m-B-G#m-A (or something) solo is C# aeolian. Where's the D#-F# motion you talk about?

xxdarrenxx

Ur right it's not "dorian".

I can't be bother to explain it is more of a psychological/aural thing and not theoretically correct.

I will Edit it out.

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Yeah, that's what I figured, but still I thought it'd be important to point it out in a theoretically-focused thread :P

Besides, it's pretty ambiguous melodic-wise due to the skipping of the 6th. However, it's present in the Harmony underneath, so that pretty much crashes the whole ambiguity.

Aurally-speaking, the lick that serves as transition to the C lydian section does sound Dorian to me... the whole VII - Im thing.

xxdarrenxx

True, but theoretically i'm (or it's) not allowed to call it like that (Which you pointed out), so that's one of the musical wonders where theory and aural crash

We'd like that to call creativity

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bornfidelity

...If you already have a minor third and a flat fifth, I'd rather call the major third a diminished fourth for the sake of continuity. But hey that's just me, I'm weird

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Wikipedia lols. You said you didn't have any good examples of Locrian so,

"Symptom of the Universe" by Black Sabbath is said to be in Locrian mode.[citation needed]
The beginning of "YYZ" by Rush is in C Locrian.
Sad But True by Metallica
Enter Sandman by Metallica
The main riff of Painkiller by Judas Priest
The Chorus riff of Our Truth by Lacuna Coil

Naturally, I haven't heard any of these xD But I thought I might try help out

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i can't vouch for all of them, but i am pretty sure none will be Locrian.

I don't have a clue why people say the Sandman Riff is Locrian....

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Having a look at this thread reminded me of a little demonstration that I recorded a while back where I just played through each of the modes over a simple E vamp on the bass.

It might be helpful for those wanting an example of the character of the different modes all in one setting.

I've uploaded it to my profile:

http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/.../all/play553092

Ead

I wouldn't really call the YYZ intro locrian, it's just a little tritone vamp. That's missing 6 other notes that make a mode sound like it does. Painkiller I've thought about calling locrian before, but it's pretty much a brutal riff with 1, b2, b3, 4 and b7, second time around landing on b5 power chord. It could just as easily fit into a phrygian riff considering the b5 as a chromatic. But, there's no 5 in the riff anywhere.. it's interesting anyway And what branny said for Enter Sandman. I think locrian is more of a conversational tool than a usable mode lol. Almost anything you could say is locrian is either straight locrian over a root note, or some metal riff that should probably consider the b5 as chromatic. That being said though I think metal is the only genre I've heard where you can hear a riff and say realistically that it could be locrian. Probably the Symptom of the Universe riff.

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lol... :P downloading is bad!

Frantic_Rock

What an amazing guide. You did a fantastic job. Comparing modes to colors is brilliant in my opinion. I never thought of it this way.

I group them like this though:
2 are major: Ionian, Lydian,
1 is dominant: Mixolydian
4 are minor: Dorian, Aeolian, Phrygian, Locrian

(I treat mixolydian separately from the major modes. It sounds "hip" to me, and many times is used as tension building on the V chord. But like you said - many times its used as a main scale, such as in "Summer Song" by Satriani)

(I lump locrian under minor because of it's flat 3 and flat 7. Ofcourse the flat 5 makes it diminished sounding). It's played over a Min7b5 chord - so technically it's not minor.

I think I like your way of thinking of it (3, 3, 1) better than my way...

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GuitarMunky

I also relate mixo to dominant as opposed to Major.

seizuresinprime

Is this thread dead?

I've really been interested in modes... and i've been trying to test myself so I have some question.

I was going over the dorian mode, and i noticed it sounded really close to the Halo theme... so I checked, and it sound (to me, a very inexperienced person) like the Halo theme was written in dorian mode.

Also, the song A Rite of Passage by Dream Theater, sounds very Mixolydian.

Some clarification by some "mode gurus" would be appreciated so I can know if i'm getting the hang of modes.

griffRG7321

Locrian progression: Two chord vamp

Take chords IV and V from relative major scale and use them over the root of the mode.

Eg.

B locrian - G/B - F/B

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