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Old 01-05-2009, 05:15 AM   #61
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(R, 2, b3, 4, 5, 6, b7)

If (R) is fret 1, what are the rest?

This is really interesting but I really can't translate these yet

Thanks.

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Those are scale formula's and relate to the Major scale.

In the key of C it's this;
(every number is a note)

R = root note or 1.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
C, D, E, F, G, A, B

So this is;
R, 2, b3, 4, 5, 6, b7
C, D, Eb, F, G, A, Bb
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Old 01-05-2009, 06:54 AM   #62
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Sticky and make this the only modes thread? Please?
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Old 01-05-2009, 06:59 AM   #63
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Those are scale formula's and relate to the Major scale.

In the key of C it's this;
(every number is a note)

R = root note or 1.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
C, D, E, F, G, A, B

So this is;
R, 2, b3, 4, 5, 6, b7
C, D, Eb, F, G, A, Bb


Thanks , this helps a lot, much appreciated.
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Yeah, can we please sticky this......
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Old 01-17-2009, 03:37 AM   #65
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is good. i think of dorian like monks chanting if you play the scale
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Old 01-29-2009, 06:00 AM   #66
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About Overture 1928's solo as a Dorian Example...

First off, I didn't search the thread for responses or comments- I'm falling asleep here, but I couldn't wait til tomorrow and risk forgetting about this... then again I can't see any edits in the OP, so I guess nobody's commented on this.

I'm pretty sure the C#m-B-G#m-A (or something) solo is C# aeolian. Where's the D#-F# motion you talk about?
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Old 01-29-2009, 07:39 AM   #67
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About Overture 1928's solo as a Dorian Example...

First off, I didn't search the thread for responses or comments- I'm falling asleep here, but I couldn't wait til tomorrow and risk forgetting about this... then again I can't see any edits in the OP, so I guess nobody's commented on this.

I'm pretty sure the C#m-B-G#m-A (or something) solo is C# aeolian. Where's the D#-F# motion you talk about?



Ur right it's not "dorian".

I can't be bother to explain it is more of a psychological/aural thing and not theoretically correct.

I will Edit it out.
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Ur right it's not "dorian".

I can't be bother to explain it is more of a psychological/aural thing and not theoretically correct.

I will Edit it out.


Yeah, that's what I figured, but still I thought it'd be important to point it out in a theoretically-focused thread :P

Besides, it's pretty ambiguous melodic-wise due to the skipping of the 6th. However, it's present in the Harmony underneath, so that pretty much crashes the whole ambiguity.

Aurally-speaking, the lick that serves as transition to the C lydian section does sound Dorian to me... the whole VII - Im thing.
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Yeah, that's what I figured, but still I thought it'd be important to point it out in a theoretically-focused thread :P

Besides, it's pretty ambiguous melodic-wise due to the skipping of the 6th. However, it's present in the Harmony underneath, so that pretty much crashes the whole ambiguity.

Aurally-speaking, the lick that serves as transition to the C lydian section does sound Dorian to me... the whole VII - Im thing.


True, but theoretically i'm (or it's) not allowed to call it like that (Which you pointed out), so that's one of the musical wonders where theory and aural crash

We'd like that to call creativity
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it boggles my mind that anyone would call a note which is a major third, a diminished fourth.


...If you already have a minor third and a flat fifth, I'd rather call the major third a diminished fourth for the sake of continuity. But hey that's just me, I'm weird
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Wikipedia lols. You said you didn't have any good examples of Locrian so,

"Symptom of the Universe" by Black Sabbath is said to be in Locrian mode.[citation needed]
The beginning of "YYZ" by Rush is in C Locrian.
Sad But True by Metallica
Enter Sandman by Metallica
The main riff of Painkiller by Judas Priest
The Chorus riff of Our Truth by Lacuna Coil

Naturally, I haven't heard any of these xD But I thought I might try help out
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Old 02-25-2009, 09:10 AM   #72
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i can't vouch for all of them, but i am pretty sure none will be Locrian.

I don't have a clue why people say the Sandman Riff is Locrian....
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Old 02-25-2009, 10:15 AM   #73
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Having a look at this thread reminded me of a little demonstration that I recorded a while back where I just played through each of the modes over a simple E vamp on the bass.

It might be helpful for those wanting an example of the character of the different modes all in one setting.

I've uploaded it to my profile:

http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/.../all/play553092
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Old 02-25-2009, 10:58 AM   #74
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I wouldn't really call the YYZ intro locrian, it's just a little tritone vamp. That's missing 6 other notes that make a mode sound like it does. Painkiller I've thought about calling locrian before, but it's pretty much a brutal riff with 1, b2, b3, 4 and b7, second time around landing on b5 power chord. It could just as easily fit into a phrygian riff considering the b5 as a chromatic. But, there's no 5 in the riff anywhere.. it's interesting anyway And what branny said for Enter Sandman. I think locrian is more of a conversational tool than a usable mode lol. Almost anything you could say is locrian is either straight locrian over a root note, or some metal riff that should probably consider the b5 as chromatic. That being said though I think metal is the only genre I've heard where you can hear a riff and say realistically that it could be locrian. Probably the Symptom of the Universe riff.
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What an amazing guide. You did a fantastic job. Comparing modes to colors is brilliant in my opinion. I never thought of it this way.

I group them like this though:
2 are major: Ionian, Lydian,
1 is dominant: Mixolydian
4 are minor: Dorian, Aeolian, Phrygian, Locrian

(I treat mixolydian separately from the major modes. It sounds "hip" to me, and many times is used as tension building on the V chord. But like you said - many times its used as a main scale, such as in "Summer Song" by Satriani)

(I lump locrian under minor because of it's flat 3 and flat 7. Ofcourse the flat 5 makes it diminished sounding). It's played over a Min7b5 chord - so technically it's not minor.

I think I like your way of thinking of it (3, 3, 1) better than my way...
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What an amazing guide. You did a fantastic job. Comparing modes to colors is brilliant in my opinion. I never thought of it this way.

I group them like this though:
2 are major: Ionian, Lydian,
1 is dominant: Mixolydian
4 are minor: Dorian, Aeolian, Phrygian, Locrian

(I treat mixolydian separately from the major modes. It sounds "hip" to me, and many times is used as tension building on the V chord. But like you said - many times its used as a main scale, such as in "Summer Song" by Satriani)

(I lump locrian under minor because of it's flat 3 and flat 7. Ofcourse the flat 5 makes it diminished sounding). It's played over a Min7b5 chord - so technically it's not minor.

I think I like your way of thinking of it (3, 3, 1) better than my way...


I also relate mixo to dominant as opposed to Major.
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Is this thread dead?

I've really been interested in modes... and i've been trying to test myself so I have some question.

I was going over the dorian mode, and i noticed it sounded really close to the Halo theme... so I checked, and it sound (to me, a very inexperienced person) like the Halo theme was written in dorian mode.

Also, the song A Rite of Passage by Dream Theater, sounds very Mixolydian.

Some clarification by some "mode gurus" would be appreciated so I can know if i'm getting the hang of modes.

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Old 09-13-2009, 06:47 AM   #79
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Locrian progression: Two chord vamp

Take chords IV and V from relative major scale and use them over the root of the mode.

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B locrian - G/B - F/B
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just a minor point (no pun intended) but i'm slightly contesting greensleeves being dorian mode. The 'first part' of the melody (before it jumps up to the higher bit) opens using b6's and also include natural 7's thay doesn't strike me as very dorian, much closer to melodic minor where the flattening/sharpening of 6/7's depends on the direction of melodic movement.

I disagree that mixo should be included in it's own dominant setting - the point of the classification between minor/major as far as i'm concerned is as to whether it fits into minor/major pentatonics. mixo fits entirely into major so should be included in major. If you start putting everything in into it's own category of dominant, b5 etc. you are just naming the modes.

i wonder whether including a common vamp that's specific to each mode might help?
e.g. Dorian = Am7 D9

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