All Shall Perish: 'It's Exciting To See Metal Finally Gaining Recognition'

All Shall Perish have become the frontrunners in a genre known as deathcore. For the past year no new material has surfaced, but they are constantly busy on the road playing shows with the likes of Walls of Jericho, Through The Eyes of the Dead, Despised Icon, and The Red Chord. 

Currently they are headlining The Big Booty Business tour with support provided by From A Second Story Window and Emmure. 

Ultimate-Guitar.com correspondent Evan Greenblo spoke with Ben Orum, the rhythm guitarist for the band about the tour, new material, and being in a metal band.

Ultimate Guitar: Just as the current tour kicked off Nodes of Ranvier had to drop off, is everything OK with them? Will anyone be replacing them?

Ben Orum: Everything is OK with Nodes of Ranvier, they had to drop of for personal reasons. Since the drop off was so last minute, there was no time to find another opening band.

Do you prefer to tour with bands of a similar style and ideologies or more arbitrary bands?

I am very into abstract music, so anything out of the ordinary is a huge breathe of fresh air for me. We all love the heavy style All Shall Perish plays, but appreciate a broad spectrum of music, and welcome it on our tours with open arms.

What's in store after The Big Booty Business tour?

After The Big Booty Business tour All Shall Perish will find itself writing its third full length album on Nuclear Blast Records. We are looking to have it out by next August/September. Also in the works is a small Australian tour this December!

"My band is very supportive of my choice to start a family."

Can you spill any details about the new album? Will you be using 7 string guitars again?

Yes, we plan to use 7 string guitars in all of our works. We find it necessary to have the increased flexibility to hit those really low notes, as well as have the extra string to do some insane argeggio work.

Who knows what surprises are in store on the next album, you'll just have to wait and see! I will promise you this though, we don't plan on putting out the same album over and over again!

(Chris, the other guitarist adds) Rusty Cooley is going to do a guest solo. 

I've seen the Eradication video on TV a few times. The metal scene was a place for people who did not want to conform, but is now entering a larger market. What are your thoughts on this?

The popularity of heavy music comes in waves. You saw it in the 80's with the hair bands, then in the 90's with the nu-metal trend. Extreme music has always been an understood shadow lingering on the sidelines of all of these trends. Nowadays metalcore bands are embracing more and more death metal elements, and you are seeing younger and younger kids getting into the heavy stuff. It's pretty exciting to see it finally gaining some recognition.

What is your opinion on current society?

Most of us are blind to the state of the rest of the world. The US has it so good... most people choose not to think, and that ultimately will hurt out nation in the end.

Are you at all active in trying to change anything? A real life Jigsaw Killer (from Saw) maybe (laughs)?

Our band tries to raise awareness on issues that concern us through our lyrics. Check them out, you just might agree with us.

One of the first bands I listened to that dealt with social issues was Shai Hulud. Are you a fan of them at all? What was the first band you listened to that spoke about social issues?

I've never heard them, but I know some of the other guys in the band are familiar with their music. The first band I heard that tackled social issues was probably Biohazard.

"We are blown away that our music has touched people so deep, that they feel the need to put our name on their flesh permanently."

How do you feel about the disagreement between metal fans and hardcore fans about the term 'deathcore'

It baffles me all the labels that people throw on music. In the end, it's just an easy way to catalog a band. Deathcore is nothing new, bands like Internal Bleeding and Dehumanized have been playing that style years before the term was coined.

Does deathcore separate metal and hardcore fans or bring them closer?

Well... it depends. Yes, it brings the two groups of fans together. But at our shows, they typically end up fighting and things get violent.

What is more important in a live show, being one hundred percent accurate or having a good stage presence?

(Chris adds) (Laughs) You probably heard I suck live. Kids come to mosh mostly or fight or whatever. I do my best ya know. Try and get them both down.

I always read about how little money bands make on tour, and how they are always constantly away from home. How does this obstacle make it hard to start a family?

I have a beautiful little boy named Greyson Orum who is now 15 months old. He is the most wonderful thing in my life. My band is very supportive of my choice to start a family, and gives me the time off if I need to take it. My wife is always very supportive of my music career, and for that I love her to death. Money can be tight sometimes, but to have the chance to do what you love and have the opportunity to be a father, I would say that life couldn't be better!

I noticed on your MySpace profile you have numerous fans with All Shall Perish tattoos. How do you feel about this kind of dedication? Have you deserved it?

We find the dedication in our fans incredibly flattering. We are blown away that our music has touched people so deep, that they feel the need to put our name on their flesh permanently. Every time we get a new picture sent to us of an All Shall Perish tattoo (almost 1 a month), I still to this day am shocked to see such dedication. Thanks guys!

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Comments

[Raziel2p]

Metal "gaining recognition"? More like being popularized, and that's not exciting at all.

[metaldud536]

Raziel2p wrote:

Metal "gaining recognition"? More like being popularized, and that's not exciting at all.

How so?

[ParkerScks]

all shall perish!!!!! woot lol when i herd of em no one else did! there getting recognition and its about time!

[guitar1shredder]

Yeah but what sucks about it getting recognition is that kids listen to Metalcore. I'm not saying all metalcore is bad I'm just saying that the Hardcore bands that came before them were a lot better. So these kids are gonna try to sound like the metalcore bands of today and then odds are that they are gonna be worse. than they are. And then you get really shitty music.

[metalcore123]

Big deal. stop crying. Music is music. There are tons of bands that sound the exact same, of every genre.

[ragingponer]

Wow that would be outstanding if that genre didn't suck!

Learn to play instruments.

[Ali-b912]

lol metal has been popular since, oh i dunno, the 70's?

[obey_yourmaster]

Love these guys!

[MustangMan311]

Pretty awesome, I love this band.
Really talented musicians, great songwriters. Nothing out of the ordinary, but still a good band, nonetheless.

[YourMessiah666]

all shall perish is amazing.
glad to see an interview finally

[Magero]

Fucking yes. These guys and Nevermore are my favourite bands ever. And these guys deserve any credit they get, they're definatly one of the more unique bands around these days. Hopefully they'll put on an AA show in Brisbane like they said they would.

[Fender_For_Life]

Yeah, ASP are a bunch of extremely talented musicians, Chris and Ben, IMO, are VERY talented at the guitar. And I'm very excited about this announced Australian tour!

[PierreNightmare]

Ragingponer your a pussy and mostlikely suck ass at guitar. If you had half a brain you would know who Rusty Cooley is. If you dont know who that is maybe you should look him up. Thats chris' guitar mentor so why dont you get your head out your ass stop talking down on other players and go practice.

[THE NEKRYPH]

Rusty Cooley is one hell of a guitarist, one of the world's fastest, but having a great guitar mentor says nothing about you.....a definite bonus, but guarantees nothing...

[sleepwalker16]

A -Core band talking about metal.
Shame shame.
The bands that should talk about metal gaining popularity are good METAL bands, not this -core.

[StuC]

Raziel2p wrote:

Metal "gaining recognition"? More like being popularized, and that's not exciting at all.

agreed.
metal 'music' is prettey dull and not very exciting. In fact, its the most ridiculas music around, its no wonder theres no Deathcore that go's mainstream, because its just so stupid. yet you get all these people with their skull full of nothingness, who complain that metal is a dying genre. there's a reason for that.
Its lame and everyone who listens to it know it.

[McCheese]

StuC wrote:

Raziel2p wrote:

Metal "gaining recognition"? More like being popularized, and that's not exciting at all.
agreed.
metal 'music' is prettey dull and not very exciting. In fact, its the most ridiculas music around, its no wonder theres no Deathcore that go's mainstream, because its just so stupid. yet you get all these people with their skull full of nothingness, who complain that metal is a dying genre. there's a reason for that.
Its lame and everyone who listens to it know it.

Wow we are angry, aren't we!
You see, there's this thing called opinion, most people have it. It's what makes everyone different and not the same which leads to differences in taste.
It's not 'lame', you just don't enjoy it.
The reason deathcore is not mainstream is because not everybody likes it and, like just about every genre, is an acquired taste.
Damn, people on this site seem to be getting more and more ignorant!
And ragingponer, they can play, their instruments, and very well I might add, just not in a way that you like.
I also think all this genre-isation and labelling has gone too far. People are starting to have a moral opposition to some music just because of the way it's labelled.

[ad a sdfibsgi]

well said McCheese, well said.

[rockergurl09]

sad...

metal is one of those kinds of music that is better off as an underground thing. You could easily see that from the popularization of metal during the 80's. That created hair metal, crusty, cheesy, cliche hair metal. If everyone likes metal, that would be really weird, and metal would lose its power. Besides, it's not metal that's getting popularized but metalcore! That's a bad thing!

[snave2008]

awesome band.
i chilled with emmure and the drummer from all shall perish in memphis earlier this month....
THAT MEANS IM RAD!!!!!




not really.....

[Psychopathology]

They aren't metal and neither are those other metalcore cocksuckers. I hate this poser shit, deathcore is the new Nu-metal, it's going to die out in a few years. Fad music NEVER lasts.

[evangreenblo]

Just gotta love the fighting, haha. Darkest Hour interview is going up next, can't wait to read those comments too.

[SnoopyKojiApple]

McCheese +1

Not everyone likes licorice.
Not everyone likes tea.
Etc.

I've noticed a lot more ignorance on UG lately.
Maybe it's always been there and I just never noticed.

[Rational_Gaze]

They may not be a purely 'troO Metal' band, but I bet half you idiots ripping on ASP haven't even listened to them.

If you had you would at least appreciate they are pretty damn technically skilled musicans, regardless of whether u like it or not.

[offbeat]

great band.

[LakeboDom]

offbeat wrote:

great band.

+1

[Uranutan]

It would be nice if GOOD metal got recognition, not crap metal.

[Ba11sINurFAC3]

StuC wrote:

Raziel2p wrote:

Metal "gaining recognition"? More like being popularized, and that's not exciting at all.
agreed.
metal 'music' is prettey dull and not very exciting. In fact, its the most ridiculas music around, its no wonder theres no Deathcore that go's mainstream, because its just so stupid. yet you get all these people with their skull full of nothingness, who complain that metal is a dying genre. there's a reason for that.
Its lame and everyone who listens to it know it.

Go smoke another doob, bro. GROOVY MAN!

[MANATEEN]

all shall perish is metalcore as it gets, deathcore is a stupid genre name

[emoleafsfan]

no no alot of what you people are saying is true.

metal is dull. i live in a city FILLED with death metal and screamo bands, and im sick of it.

i just dont see a point to metal, unless they've really got something to say. because most of the time theyre screaming something that i cant even type out.

[Salvation138]

Dudes never heard Shai Hulud? Seriously?

[Jondy]

StuC wrote:

Raziel2p wrote:

Metal "gaining recognition"? More like being popularized, and that's not exciting at all.
agreed.
metal 'music' is prettey dull and not very exciting. In fact, its the most ridiculas music around, its no wonder theres no Deathcore that go's mainstream, because its just so stupid. yet you get all these people with their skull full of nothingness, who complain that metal is a dying genre. there's a reason for that.
Its lame and everyone who listens to it know it.

ok you completely misunderstood what he meant, but that's to be expected since you obviously completely misunderstand metal.

[pgoose]

"Metals king back then, and still is to this day, Others immitate or challenge, but it never goes away"-Back in the day-Megadeth-amazing song download it

[beau05]

Raziel2p wrote:

Metal "gaining recognition"? More like being popularized, and that's not exciting at all.

since its been recognized for over 30 years

to the megadeth-download it comment, purchasing it would be a better option

sounds interesting, however i will not be paying attention

[PierreNightmare]

all im sayin is if you dont like it then what are you doing even commenting this interview?? metal is metal get the **** over it.

[наppy наиds]

StuC wrote:

Raziel2p wrote:

Metal "gaining recognition"? More like being popularized, and that's not exciting at all.
agreed.
metal 'music' is prettey dull and not very exciting. In fact, its the most ridiculas music around, its no wonder theres no Deathcore that go's mainstream, because its just so stupid. yet you get all these people with their skull full of nothingness, who complain that metal is a dying genre. there's a reason for that.
Its lame and everyone who listens to it know it.

hahaha. how immature.

[Sajko_x]

StuC wrote:

Raziel2p wrote:

Metal "gaining recognition"? More like being popularized, and that's not exciting at all.
agreed.
metal 'music' is prettey dull and not very exciting. In fact, its the most ridiculas music around, its no wonder theres no Deathcore that go's mainstream, because its just so stupid. yet you get all these people with their skull full of nothingness, who complain that metal is a dying genre. there's a reason for that.
Its lame and everyone who listens to it know it.

Lol what the hell are you saying, metal is lame?? Its dying? Evenr heard of wacken, metal camp or graspop? All metal and all are prob in the top 20 of biggest festivals in the world

[Sajko_x]

emoleafsfan wrote:

no no alot of what you people are saying is true.

metal is dull. i live in a city FILLED with death metal and screamo bands, and im sick of it.

i just dont see a point to metal, unless they've really got something to say. because most of the time theyre screaming something that i cant even type out.

Not all metal is screaming you know, if you would listen to it you would know that

[shwilly]

Sorry but that statement of Metal finally gaining recognition just sounds so stupid because it's been around for so long now...

These guys we obviously influenced by other metal bands, say, Pantera or Napalm Death or something, who drew a lot of inspiration from Slayer, who turned out to be huge Sabbath fans, and so on... All those metal bands have gained A LOT of recognition for their contributions to the genre.

And I'm not saying you're not a metal fan if you don't like Black Sabbath, but for gods sake stop using the world "Metal" as if it were a synonym for (whatever)core, that's why we make up all these different genre-names...

[W.h.o.r.EGuitar]

I'm sick of these *******s gettin on here talkin shit bout metal/ whatever core/ death metal/etc....
If you don't like it, fine; but no metal fan gives a **** bout your opinion so don't voice it...
i mean really...
"m3t@l toally sux go rap suck ba11s n00b!"
i like some rap but i'm tired of hearing that shit on metal chat boards/commentboards/forums/etc...

[Pingis_Or_Death]

God I hate deathcore. I don't think death metal should be mixed with hardcore/emo.

[SL!!!]

Raziel2p wrote:

Metal "gaining recognition"? More like being popularized, and that's not exciting at all.

Not really. Metal has had recognition for like 30 years. Hahah. Anyway...

I've never heard them, but I know some of the other guys in the band are familiar with their music.

Good Lord, go buy A Profound Hatred of Man, right now.

MANATEEN wrote:

all shall perish is metalcore as it gets, deathcore is a stupid genre name

Nah, i think deathcore is a pretty legit category cus they have more death metal influence than just the chaotic really grindy metalcore sound. Personally i'm a fan of chaotocore ala Botch. Haha, but seriously all the ridiculous genre names that try to more accurately describe the music don't matter, if it's good it's good.

[ad a sdfibsgi]

StuC wrote:

you obviously completely misunderstand metal.

Your EXACTLY right, I dont understand metal. Not atall.
It looks and sounds FUCKING FUNNY.
artistic credability? No, not metal. Listen to some slayer. Then listen to some Johnny Cash, or David Bowie. See what I mean? How can anyone with a half decent IQ even take it seriously without laughing at it?
Tuneless, guitar wankage, funny vocals, and stupid drumming. I dont understand why people enjoy listening to bands like All shall Perish. Its dumb, they know its dumb. Music for nerds, misfits and the mentally challenged.

once again man, it all goes back to opinions, everyone likes somthing different.
you can say you dont understand it and dont like it, but you cant say its talentless.

most of the newer extreme metal acts have been pushing the limits of their intruments. look at necrophagist, the faceless, between the buried and me, ion dissonance, etc. not just anyone can pick up a guitar and shred through btbam's colors cd, or play drums to necrophagist. ITS CALLED TALENT!!!!!

[qwikfngr]

Hmmm....Seven string.....I might have to get me one of those. Hell yeah metal's finally getting some recognition; look at all these comments!

[Jondy]

StuC wrote:

you obviously completely misunderstand metal.
Your EXACTLY right, I dont understand metal. Not atall.
It looks and sounds FUCKING FUNNY.
artistic credability? No, not metal. Listen to some slayer. Then listen to some Johnny Cash, or David Bowie. See what I mean? How can anyone with a half decent IQ even take it seriously without laughing at it?
Tuneless, guitar wankage, funny vocals, and stupid drumming. I dont understand why people enjoy listening to bands like All shall Perish. Its dumb, they know its dumb. Music for nerds, misfits and the mentally challenged.

You also don't understand grammar. But anyways.

Slayer, while I don't want to say anything to in any way discredit them, is by no means representative of all metal. There is a massive range of guitar, vocal, and drumming styles to be found in metal. Besides your basic screaming and growling, you have soaring melodic vocals, female operatics, backing choir vocals, gregorian chant, rapping, and many others.

Guitar styles range from the bluesy led zeppelin to the 16th note power chords of power metal, like dragonforce. There's shredding which was pioneered by metal guitarists. There is also a fair share of finger picking to be heard in metal.

Drumming comes in all sorts of styles as well, from Dream Theater's style which I can't really describe to Power metal's throbbing... you know I don't know much about drums so I don't even know how to explain this.

The only thing you got right was it is music for nerds and misfits. I am a proud nerd and I have never fit in anywhere. That is why metal is my music.

[Azwethinkwedo]

Ali-b912 wrote:

lol metal has been popular since, oh i dunno, the 70's?

what about sabbath and zeppelin in the 60's

[DeathMetal.]

music is music man. putting a label on it is just a way to tell you what you can expect to get out of it. am i right? if i went to a music store and i saw a cool album cover by a band called...i dont know deicide and it was under death metal i would know what to expect from that album, same thing if i picked up a public enemy album under rap, i would know what to expect because it gives me the genre!

[Jondy]

StuC wrote:

playing fast is not talent.

Herman Li vs BB King

who wins?

I think any music critic would agree that BB King is the talented one. Not because he is a guitar legend now, but because he has an ear for a good tune, herman li hasn't, he just plays fast.
Just because something is amazingly complicated, doesnt make it good, or talented.
Example.
Another Girl, another planet - the only ones
Hammer Smashed Face - Cannibal Corpse

Which one is written better? Another girl of cause. Thats talent.

I'm not sure who you are directing this at, noone here has claimed that playing fast equates to talent.

[Jondy]

and herman li is by no means representative of all metal guitarists.

[Jondy]

look i hate to triple post here but there is not edit but. Listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGWYmQ1iebI

This is just one example of a million I could show you to display the incredible range of styles involved in metal. And quite frankly, if you can't like nightwish, your ears must be broken.

[555slayer666]

Rude band. 'Nuff said.

[doomed1]

StuC wrote:

Raziel2p wrote:

Metal "gaining recognition"? More like being popularized, and that's not exciting at all.

agreed.
metal 'music' is prettey dull and not very exciting. In fact, its the most ridiculas music around, its no wonder theres no Deathcore that go's mainstream, because its just so stupid. yet you get all these people with their skull full of nothingness, who complain that metal is a dying genre. there's a reason for that.
Its lame and everyone who listens to it know it.

you are an ignorant ass
metal has survived many years on the sidelines and the little shove into the spotlight in the '80s with the GLAM metal was gooad and bad for the medal scene, bad in the short run but good in the long run 'cause it brought out bands like Metallica and Slayer and Anthrax and Megadeth and anyone whos says metal is lame obvoisly doesnt havem the physical and mental strenght to handle all the raw emotion and power that flows from these bands!
In short, you sir are a tool.
and you can sig me on that, bitch

[Mcfraggins]

YES! FINALLY! Someone who feels the way i do, ASP and Nevermore are my absolutle favorite metal bands currently

Magero wrote:

Fucking yes. These guys and Nevermore are my favourite bands ever. And these guys deserve any credit they get, they're definatly one of the more unique bands around these days. Hopefully they'll put on an AA show in Brisbane like they said they would.

[24fRETSoFfURY]

Jondy wrote:

StuC wrote:

you obviously completely misunderstand metal.
Your EXACTLY right, I dont understand metal. Not atall.
It looks and sounds FUCKING FUNNY.
artistic credability? No, not metal. Listen to some slayer. Then listen to some Johnny Cash, or David Bowie. See what I mean? How can anyone with a half decent IQ even take it seriously without laughing at it?
Tuneless, guitar wankage, funny vocals, and stupid drumming. I dont understand why people enjoy listening to bands like All shall Perish. Its dumb, they know its dumb. Music for nerds, misfits and the mentally challenged.



You also don't understand grammar. But anyways.

Slayer, while I don't want to say anything to in any way discredit them, is by no means representative of all metal. There is a massive range of guitar, vocal, and drumming styles to be found in metal. Besides your basic screaming and growling, you have soaring melodic vocals, female operatics, backing choir vocals, gregorian chant, rapping, and many others.

Guitar styles range from the bluesy led zeppelin to the 16th note power chords of power metal, like dragonforce. There's shredding which was pioneered by metal guitarists. There is also a fair share of finger picking to be heard in metal.

Drumming comes in all sorts of styles as well, from Dream Theater's style which I can't really describe to Power metal's throbbing... you know I don't know much about drums so I don't even know how to explain this.

The only thing you got right was it is music for nerds and misfits. I am a proud nerd and I have never fit in anywhere. That is why metal is my music.

+1 man.
People just hear the word metal and right it off without realising how diverse the genre is.
Their ignorance pisses me off.

[King Antichrist]

Psychopathology wrote:

They aren't metal and neither are those other metalcore cocksuckers. I hate this poser shit, deathcore is the new Nu-metal, it's going to die out in a few years. Fad music NEVER lasts.

Damn Straight!!! i couldnt have said it better myself. and for the people talking about hair metal that was just the poser fad of the 80's like nu metal, metalcore, and deathcore are today.

[Cafas]

Horrible debate. You have one side that is clearly ignorant of what real metal is, and then you have the other side...who also don't know what real metal is.

[halo43]

awesome, man. i remember seeing ASP back in Concord at the RedHouse a couple of times. they put on a good show. had our own little "wall of death" too. definitely a good band to get people's attention.

[axe-maniac]

my opinion, labels a label. If i called pussy cats dolls metal wouldnt change what it sounds like. These guys sound what they sound like. If they accidentely misgenred it, it doesnt change whether its good or bad. Also, they are skilled musicians. it's similar to slow songs. Just cos people play slow songs are simple songs doesnt mean they are bad musicians. And just because they play real fast doesnt mean they are bad either. They are talented with their instruments. And just because they are talented as musicians doesnt make them talented as composers. But if a composer can make people feel awesome, and gets to their feelings, then they have done their job. Hey, coldplay are simple and easy, and i hate them. this doesnt mean their music is bad. It gets to people, and thats why they get listened to. Thhis applies to this band too. when i listen to this type of music, i feel empowered and pumped with adrenaline. thats what they are trying to do. And it gets to people. Just cos you dont 'like it' doesnt mean they are bad musicians or composers.

people need to stop being so ignorant.

[metOLIca]

StuC :
you obviously completely misunderstand metal.

Your EXACTLY right, I dont understand metal. Not atall.
It looks and sounds FUCKING FUNNY.
artistic credability? No, not metal. Listen to some slayer. Then listen to some Johnny Cash, or David Bowie. See what I mean? How can anyone with a half decent IQ even take it seriously without laughing at it?
Tuneless, guitar wankage, funny vocals, and stupid drumming. I dont understand why people enjoy listening to bands like All shall Perish. Its dumb, they know its dumb. Music for nerds, misfits and the mentally challenged.

Couldn't disagree more!!! In My opnion, notice how i state that its my opinion not a ****ing fact!, i think metal music is one of the most talent filled genres, arguably the most complex guitar, obviously there is a fair amount of easy and slightly boring guitar, but most of the time it is all ripping guitar using all areas of the neck at all speeds, and although people slag off screaming it does actually take talent and skill, i'd like to see the average joe go on stage and scream there guts out and take control of 3000 crazy metal fans! and the drumming speaks for its self.... ****ing sick!

So StuC why don't you piss off and stop reading about music and bands and genres you 'hate'.. you don't see me on Johnny Cash forums slagging him off... don't even get me started on Bowie!

also just to add.. how can you say all shall perish can't play their instruments? Can you play the Eradication Solo??

Didn't think so...

[Nebblacktip]

Man, I love it when people who don't like a genre show up and try to prove that "This guy is better because i like how he plays better."

I like Johnny Cash, Bowie, and BB King. I also like Yngwie, Dragonforce, and Dream theater. I don't think any are more emotional than the others. Just because i'm not a good enough guitar player to understand why playing fast can be emotional, doesn't mean it's not.

These guys have enough talent (They're very solid guitarists) and drive to get signed and get popular. I'm gonna go practice now, and maybe eventually I can have people complain about how unemotional/ too emotional my musicis in news articles too. Music they can't play and are unwilling to understand. Peace out guys.^.^

[King Antichrist]

and for the peole saying metal sucks and jonny cash and david bowie and whatnot are better you are a bunch of pussies and you should just shut the hell up. You say that metal has no "artistic credability"? Metal is probably THE hardest, most techincal and complicated and advanced type of music that there is to play and it takes way more musical and artistic talent than jonny cash and david bowie and what ever else you listen to. that shit is just boring generic slow chord strumming and really dosent take much talent and it all sounds the same unlike metal which takes an extreme amount of musical talent and is an extremeley diverse type of music with many different subgenres.

[MaliceGreen]

honestly, if everyone liked it, it wouldn't be metal. so in a way i'm glad that there are these ignorant closed minded idiots. and just because it's alot different than your pussy lynrd skinflute and creed bullshit doesn't mean it's not metal. Honestly, people consider hard rock metal, which is stupid as ****. It's called Deathcore because of the angry harsh vocals and the heavy style of play with breakdowns. People tend to hate what they don't know.

p.s - don't compare metal to screamo.

[MaliceGreen]

p.s - slipknot sucks.

[count forstula]

all shall perish are awesome. and who gives a shit if they aren't real metal? they're better if you ask me. all these "real" metal bands are just a bunch of dinosaurs that take themselves way too seriously. i don't want to get too into the debate here, but this is getting sort of ridiculous. king antichrist, you're a douchebag, and you're giving all the other metal fans around here a bad image.

anywho, all shall perish are fun to listen to, they're good at what they do, and i enjoy listening to it. that should be enough reason for people to stop bitching. knowing this place, it probably won't be, but oh well.

[ordinary_story]

Metal is gud shit....guys who don't listen to metal r lame....IMO

[ordinary_story]

Cafas wrote:

Horrible debate. You have one side that is clearly ignorant of what real metal is, and then you have the other side...who also don't know what real metal is.

smartest comment on here.

[The Dark Wind]

Wait wait wait, slow down. Did someone really say that Metal is funny and then right after that mention David Bowie?

[assasin1340]

its sad to see how so many people argue for days at a time over something as stupid as wheteher this band is real metal or not. big fu*king deal. you guys remind me of little 6 year olds fighting over which cartoon on nickelodeon is better. if you cant be mature about something then dont even listen to it.

personally i like almost any kind of metal/rock/punk/emo/ or any kind of music as long as it sounds good TO ME. i dont give a damn if somebody else has a problem with what i listen to. dumbass arguments like this is the entire reason music became labeled in the first place. im not trying to offend anybody by their musical taste im just sayin grow up a little here . if you dont like a band dont start fights on their forum... its that simple

[x0rsist]

The more time you morons argue over the genre of music....the lsss time spent enjoying the mmusic. Your loss guys. Stop cry bitching. Imo asp are awesome.

[x0rsist]

And i mean music in general. Less mouth action, more listening is what the music industry needs.

[Shinozoku]

MANATEEN wrote:

all shall perish is metalcore as it gets, deathcore is a stupid genre name

Well, it's based in metalcore, but the lower tunings and higher abundance of death emtal growling mixed with hardcore screams changes it into a different music. Listen to As I Lay Dying, then ASP. You'll hear a difference if you haven't already convinced yourself it all sounds the same.

[HisShortness]

i dont know about all of you guys, but i love music. all music, and i dont mean all genres i mean all music. i can find the peotry in a rap song, even though i dont really like rap. i revel in the soul and passion in the blues. i love the fun rebelious attatude of a Twisted Sister Song, i am impressed by how a simple pop melody can get into someones head. Bob Dylan brings out the philosipher in me. and metal, ooh damn i love me some metal.

argue all you want about what bands are polluting metal or who has talent or who doesnt or whatever, but until you learn to appriciate music for its own sake, all your points are mostly mute.

just my .02


however i must say every time i see an emo kid with a Black Sabbath shirt (or Cannibal Corpse or whatever band) and after asking her/him about the band they reply "oh, um i just like the shirt i dont listen to them really much" i die a little bit on the inside

[Tierkönig]

StuC wrote:

Raziel2p wrote:

Metal "gaining recognition"? More like being popularized, and that's not exciting at all.

agreed.
metal 'music' is prettey dull and not very exciting. In fact, its the most ridiculas music around, its no wonder theres no Deathcore that go's mainstream, because its just so stupid. yet you get all these people with their skull full of nothingness, who complain that metal is a dying genre. there's a reason for that.
Its lame and everyone who listens to it know it.

Metal a dying genre? Where the **** have you been? Metal is pretty much the native music of European countries, like Sweden and Germany... Meaning everyone and their mother listens to it (I hate this saying, but it fits). Sure, I live in America, where no one even knows what music is anymore, but can't we just give a band a chance? Metal is one of the hardest genres of music to play... Give the band a few albums, then we can make a real decision...

I'm a "hair" metal fan (as well as pretty much any other kind of metal)... It's what I was raised on. What ever happened to metal being about guitar solos and amazing riffs with a singer who could get you hooked on a song?

Anyone who doesn't think metal is exciting or thinks it's lame can kiss my ass. Go to Europe and say this shit to bands like Amon Amarth, Children of Bodom, or Kreator... see how long it takes for these guys to rip you a new one...

"Metal is so unpopular with the mainstream I think that's political in itself." -Angela Gossow, Arch Enemy

HisShortness wrote:

i dont know about all of you guys, but i love music. all music, and i dont mean all genres i mean all music. i can find the peotry in a rap song, even though i dont really like rap. i revel in the soul and passion in the blues. i love the fun rebelious attatude of a Twisted Sister Song, i am impressed by how a simple pop melody can get into someones head. Bob Dylan brings out the philosipher in me. and metal, ooh damn i love me some metal.

argue all you want about what bands are polluting metal or who has talent or who doesnt or whatever, but until you learn to appriciate music for its own sake, all your points are mostly mute.

just my .02


however i must say every time i see an emo kid with a Black Sabbath shirt (or Cannibal Corpse or whatever band) and after asking her/him about the band they reply "oh, um i just like the shirt i dont listen to them really much" i die a little bit on the inside

I agree with you 100%. I also die a little when I see anyone, not just emo kids, with a phenominal band shirt and they don't even know who they are and just like the was the shirt looked on the shelf. Music is what keeps the world turning... Without it, the world would tear itself apart...

[di4gram]

metal is coming back because of hardcore (or brocore, whatever), which is a genre I really can't stand (I especially can't stand that people think it's punk music). the sooner actual metal takes its place, the better. I really hope that doesn't stay as this stupid down-tuned shit though, I have great admiration for good metal bands, even if I don't listen to them. I don't, however, like listening to someone bang on their open string ("doublepicking") while they mute it on and off. if that's metal, fall out boy is punk.

Honestly, I would rather deal with metalheads than the brocore frat boy syndrome that is all over the place where I am.

[Rob the Tipton]

Thing is everyone who bitches about ASP ruining metal, look at what the "gods" of metal are coming out with.

St. Anger
United Abominations

I'd say thats hurting metal more than ASP is. Megadeth's new album is obviously a shitty attempt for Dave Mustaine to make more money and bitch about digital recording on MTV's headbangers ball. While Metallica are old as FUCK and sewing kids for downloading their music. That hurts metal and gives it a bad reputation. Sure maybe all the scenesters like ASP but thats not all of their fanbase.

Basically who the **** cares, I don't. ASP is an ok band some of it gets boring after a while, but listen to any CD more than 10 times and it gets old.

[SL!!!]

di4gram wrote:

metal is coming back because of hardcore (or brocore, whatever), which is a genre I really can't stand (I especially can't stand that people think it's punk music). the sooner actual metal takes its place, the better. I really hope that doesn't stay as this stupid down-tuned shit though, I have great admiration for good metal bands, even if I don't listen to them. I don't, however, like listening to someone bang on their open string ("doublepicking") while they mute it on and off. if that's metal, fall out boy is punk.

Honestly, I would rather deal with metalheads than the brocore frat boy syndrome that is all over the place where I am.

Hardcore...Hardcore Punk...yeah. Maybe you've never heard a real hardcore band? I mean, that said, the genre does(as do most) need to be more liberal in what it encompasses and just not the same formula. Take a hint from Refused and push the boundaries.

[SL!!!]

Shinozoku wrote:

MANATEEN wrote:

all shall perish is metalcore as it gets, deathcore is a stupid genre name
Well, it's based in metalcore, but the lower tunings and higher abundance of death emtal growling mixed with hardcore screams changes it into a different music. Listen to As I Lay Dying, then ASP. You'll hear a difference if you haven't already convinced yourself it all sounds the same.

As I Lay Dying has some stuff that you can't help but getting into a bit but they're pretty watered down if that's metalcore. I would say they're practically straight up metal these days, but it doesn't really matter, and if they are whatever that's cool, cus it would actually be pretty decent then. Haha.

[SL!!!]

assasin1340 wrote:

its sad to see how so many people argue for days at a time over something as stupid as wheteher this band is real metal or not. big fu*king deal. you guys remind me of little 6 year olds fighting over which cartoon on nickelodeon is better. if you cant be mature about something then dont even listen to it.

personally i like almost any kind of metal/rock/punk/emo/ or any kind of music as long as it sounds good TO ME. i dont give a damn if somebody else has a problem with what i listen to. dumbass arguments like this is the entire reason music became labeled in the first place. im not trying to offend anybody by their musical taste im just sayin grow up a little here . if you dont like a band dont start fights on their forum... its that simple

Hurray! Someone gets it.

[got_trivium?]

assasin1340 wrote:

its sad to see how so many people argue for days at a time over something as stupid as wheteher this band is real metal or not. big fu*king deal. you guys remind me of little 6 year olds fighting over which cartoon on nickelodeon is better. if you cant be mature about something then dont even listen to it.

personally i like almost any kind of metal/rock/punk/emo/ or any kind of music as long as it sounds good TO ME. i dont give a damn if somebody else has a problem with what i listen to. dumbass arguments like this is the entire reason music became labeled in the first place. im not trying to offend anybody by their musical taste im just sayin grow up a little here . if you dont like a band dont start fights on their forum... its that simple

congrats. it only took 80 comments before someone actually made a completely valid point, which could also be made a fact.

[adtthosa]

This band is so ****in' heavy, I love it.

There Is No Business to be Done on a Dead Planet - best breakdown ever.

[adtthosa]

P.S. You guys need to chill, All Shall Perish are a form of metal whether you like them or not. It's pretty sad how some people feel the need to criticize other people's musical tastes. Grow up.

[pinkfloydfish]

Wait, metal is "finally" gaining recognition? What about Metallica? And all of the other metal bands like Scorpions, Iron Maiden, etc. Metal has had recognition for decades.

[StringsofBlack]

I don't see the need to classify all these different types of metal. Metal, metalcore, death metal, deathcore, thrash metal, power metal, black metal? They all sound more or less the same to some aspect. Why are we coming up with random names for them?

[Jondy]

StringsofBlack wrote:

I don't see the need to classify all these different types of metal. Metal, metalcore, death metal, deathcore, thrash metal, power metal, black metal? They all sound more or less the same to some aspect. Why are we coming up with random names for them?

you seriously think metalcore sounds more or less the same as power metal?

[blaze2thekings]

MEGADETH MEGADETH MEGADETH
MEGADETH MEGADETH MEGADETH
MEGADETH MEGADETH MEGADETH
MEGADETH MEGADETH MEGADETH

[veepirate]

interesting one side has no patience for other genre's than their own, other's are crusading for metal music as valid technical music(which it is, opeth is the best example)thirdly there are the supossed metal elitists whom are just as bad as the "johnny cash people" and finally the fans of this band, whom really are the only ones supossed to post here.

and secondly about the technicality of music, well lets jazz as an example, its in my opinion the most technical of all genre's, and i do reconize it as that, but i dont appreaciate it, i cant find myself listening to it for hours on end just because its well planned and executed, however metal(well mostly its extreme sub-genre's such as melodic death, symphonic black and fusion) which in my "list" is the third most advance form of western music, yet its my favorite genre of music, so what does this mean? well humans may look alike but dont act alike.

you could truly call someone stupid if they listend to a specific genre just to fit "in"

ps. to me stuff eric clapton and johnny cash ect. is way too popped up musically, if one applied tonal functionality analysis to either artist there wouldn't be much diversity

[quietimeating]

Metal is awesome, hardcore is awesome, metalcore usually sucks.

[jpgilbert701]

wow...this is whats wrong with subgenres in metal. We have the elitists saying it isn't "true" metal and we have the ignorant saying metal has no artistic credability. I think we should abolish all labels and genres and lets call it what it is. Music. Whether you like it or not that's what it is.

[StringsofBlack]

Jondy wrote:

StringsofBlack wrote:

I don't see the need to classify all these different types of metal. Metal, metalcore, death metal, deathcore, thrash metal, power metal, black metal? They all sound more or less the same to some aspect. Why are we coming up with random names for them?

you seriously think metalcore sounds more or less the same as power metal?

Well like veepirate used Jazz as any example, are there different subgenres of Jazz? I always just heard people call it Jazz, no matter who was playing it. So why not just call it metal? Whats the need to label the different types?

[Rational_Gaze]

jpgilbert701 wrote:

wow...this is whats wrong with subgenres in metal. We have the elitists saying it isn't "true" metal and we have the ignorant saying metal has no artistic credability. I think we should abolish all labels and genres and lets call it what it is. Music. Whether you like it or not that's what it is.

Agree 100% with you there mate...

[SL!!!]

quietimeating wrote:

Metal is awesome, hardcore is awesome, metalcore usually sucks.

Yeah..nowadays is seems that metalcore sucks. But i'm always gonna give it some credit cus Converge, Dillinger Escape Plan and Between the Buried and Me, Protest the Hero..There are some good ones. But what i really like to see is the combination of a lot of different stuff BTBAM and Protest the Hero style. The subgenres and such are just ways of more accurately describing the music. Simple as that, i don't know why people keep asking, why label it? Just to describe it more easily but it gets stupid when people try to make it more than just a description and say it can or can't be something.

[Jondy]

StringsofBlack wrote:

Jondy wrote:

StringsofBlack wrote:

I don't see the need to classify all these different types of metal. Metal, metalcore, death metal, deathcore, thrash metal, power metal, black metal? They all sound more or less the same to some aspect. Why are we coming up with random names for them?

you seriously think metalcore sounds more or less the same as power metal?

Well like veepirate used Jazz as any example, are there different subgenres of Jazz? I always just heard people call it Jazz, no matter who was playing it. So why not just call it metal? Whats the need to label the different types?

actually there are just as many subgenre's of jazz as there are metal. Just look it up on wikipedia. One of my favorites is modal jazz. there is also fusion jazz, latin, soul, beehop, free, cool, the list goes on. i'm a huge miles davis fan by the way, who is an artist that pioneered both fusion and modal jazz. freakin genius.

[HisShortness]

SL!!! wrote:

quietimeating wrote:

Metal is awesome, hardcore is awesome, metalcore usually sucks.
Yeah..nowadays is seems that metalcore sucks. But i'm always gonna give it some credit cus Converge, Dillinger Escape Plan and Between the Buried and Me, Protest the Hero..There are some good ones. But what i really like to see is the combination of a lot of different stuff BTBAM and Protest the Hero style. The subgenres and such are just ways of more accurately describing the music. Simple as that, i don't know why people keep asking, why label it? Just to describe it more easily but it gets stupid when people try to make it more than just a description and say it can or can't be something.

i would tend to agree, both about the bands and the genres. metalcore started out as an innovative shoot off, and now has become somewhat formulaic. there are alway exceptions of course. i agree that the squable over labels is questionable, like you said they just attempt to decribe what they are apllied to. the problem arises when people put a figurative wall around a subgenre, the common themes that originally grouped these bands are regarded as rules and any band that doesnt follow them is considered "false."

[Jondy]

^as far as metalcore goes, I like unearth. I love the guitar style. I wish someone would mix it with melodic vocals.

[deathofagod]

deathcore is the new metalcore, i still like them both, but at least it will become ok for me to openly LOVE metalcore again now deathcore is taking it's place as "formulaic", like, everyone's doing deathcore now and it's all about choppy time signatures and multi-layered vocals and tempo changes, the only stuff that could set bands apart is becoming a genre of it's own...

[metallica72487]

damn i hate deathcore i cant believe thats the shit the record labels are jumping on now and pass up good bands that shit is so easy anyone good do it all it is is bree bree breakdown bree bree repeat but time will pass and so will deathcore

[xCoilx]

StuC wrote:

Raziel2p wrote:

Metal "gaining recognition"? More like being popularized, and that's not exciting at all.

agreed.
metal 'music' is prettey dull and not very exciting. In fact, its the most ridiculas music around, its no wonder theres no Deathcore that go's mainstream, because its just so stupid. yet you get all these people with their skull full of nothingness, who complain that metal is a dying genre. there's a reason for that.
Its lame and everyone who listens to it know it.

How is metal dull? have you not turned on the radio and listened to the crap they play? its the same exact thing played over and over again. And you think metal is dull?there are so many different styles to choose from. What kind of metal have you heard? retard.

[jravolta]

The title had me confused.

No one feed the troll!

xCoilx wrote:

StuC wrote:

Raziel2p wrote:

Metal "gaining recognition"? More like being popularized, and that's not exciting at all.

agreed.
metal 'music' is prettey dull and not very exciting. In fact, its the most ridiculas music around, its no wonder theres no Deathcore that go's mainstream, because its just so stupid. yet you get all these people with their skull full of nothingness, who complain that metal is a dying genre. there's a reason for that.
Its lame and everyone who listens to it know it.

How is metal dull? have you not turned on the radio and listened to the crap they play? its the same exact thing played over and over again. And you think metal is dull?there are so many different styles to choose from. What kind of metal have you heard? retard.

[|\puto_rodas/|]

wtf?!
yeah I posted about the thing around the issue of... metal isnt, metal is...

now I realize...

there are about 4, 5 comments about the All Shall Perish issue...

about listening to everything...
I agree with the thing of finding something interesting on...I dont know...rap, punk?
yeah I do find myself about some musics...
but its not that I like and listen to it...
if I did, (in my opinion...)
I wouldn't have an oppinion.
and that's bad,
cant stand with people who listen to everything,
but THATS JUST ME,
which means I'm not trying to offend no one!!!

after all,
music is just music,
whether its made for people to like,
or (unfortunately) just to sell.

rock it on guys!

PS.: yeah U guessed, I'm a metal fan,
and yeah didnt ever heard of all shall perish, here in Portugal xD

[slayer1516]

wow...one side of this debate is close-minded and appalinglly stupid (hi StuC) and one sie doed not have a clue what metal is

[Tierkönig]

StringsofBlack wrote:

I don't see the need to classify all these different types of metal. Metal, metalcore, death metal, deathcore, thrash metal, power metal, black metal? They all sound more or less the same to some aspect. Why are we coming up with random names for them?

I can sort of see your point in that deathcore and metalcore sound similar and that black and death metal sound similar and possibly that power and thrash metal sound similar, but saying that metalcore/deathcore, black/death, and power/thrash sound alike? You should really do some research on the differences between these sub-genres of metal... The differences are HUGE!

[LosVatos88]

i think people need to stop being so close-minded and just appreciate the music for what it is...just because a certain genre doesn't fit in with your musical tastes doesn't mean it's terrible

[pezzthrasher]

there are differences even if they seem subtle in todays music ,where artists are sick of being labelled and experiment trying to make music unable to be stereotyped and confuse people. contemporary metal such as ASP today seems to be collecting its past subgenre counterparts and moving in new directions.

All Shall Perish are nothing less than amazing!!!
,lovin the acacia strain right now

[Necro-cide]

Guys, you are NOT metal. You gaining recognition is just helping all these dickheads get confused over what REAL metal is. Thanks for being part of the problem you ****s.

[b0ggy]

what is this deathcore...where can i buy one?!?

[Randompzycho]

metal has been recognized for decades
its agitating to see deragatory comments directed at the entire genre though
personally i dont like this music but i do like other genres of metal
the only genres that can have deragatory comments posted about the whole genre are the genres of country and modern pop music

[LakeboDom]

Necro-cide wrote:

Guys, you are NOT metal. You gaining recognition is just helping all these dickheads get confused over what REAL metal is. Thanks for being part of the problem you ****s.

Enlighten us to what metal is fag. You should know having your amazing bc-rich...

[fagelamusgtr]

So... Um... Where's the talk about All Shall Parish???

[noahray]

all shall perish are decent for a deathcore band.

deathcore is a pretty stale genre, but theyre one of the few good bands to come out of it.

[Jondy]

Randompzycho wrote:

metal has been recognized for decades
its agitating to see deragatory comments directed at the entire genre though
personally i dont like this music but i do like other genres of metal
the only genres that can have deragatory comments posted about the whole genre are the genres of country and modern pop music

speaking of which, I find it amazing how diverse a range of sounds pop makes attempts at and still manages to sound like exactly the same radio friendly bs.

[Rational_Gaze]

Necro-cide wrote:

Guys, you are NOT metal. You gaining recognition is just helping all these dickheads get confused over what REAL metal is. Thanks for being part of the problem you ****s.

Coming from someone who likes Lamb of God...
Who by the way are awesome, but are also Metalcore, despite trying to be seen as just 'Metal' these days.
People need to stop being so obsessed with what's 'true' metal and what isn't. If you hate metalcore that's fair enough. But it's not destroying 'true' metal just because right now it happens to be getting more popular. So take your hate somewhere else and stop wasting your time when you could be writing about music that you personally enjoy.

[adamdrulz]

metal is something that you either get or don't, just cause you don't get it does not mean your less of a person, cause being a metalhead really is a social and cultural choice, much like being a prep or jock, its the scapegoat of music because the people who love it (myself included) know that its misunderstood by the mass of society, somewhat the same how metalheads think most jocks and preps are duchebags when they can be nice,

ASP Kicks ass, but heaven shall burn is #1 deathcore band

[TheWickerMan666]

What's the point in all this?

Does it really matter what genre of music it is??

Surely, if you like it, listen to it, and if you don't like it, don't listen to it. Why bother complaining about it?

And why bother trying to take the piss out of someone for what they listen to? If you know that they listen to it, it shows they're not embarrassed to listen to it and let people know, and that they don't care what you think!

"People" (well, the majority of them) are so ignorant now-a-days, as people have already commented above.

Anyway, sorry about that.

All Shall Perish are great, in my opinion; and talented at what they do, no matter what genre they may be.

[tommyboo1391]

Sactity rules!!!!

[Spl!nTeRgu!tAr]

i saw these guys with See You Next Tuesday, Red Chord, Despised Icon and Through the Eyes of the Dead

best show ever. period

[SL!!!]

metallica72487 wrote:

damn i hate deathcore i cant believe thats the shit the record labels are jumping on now and pass up good bands that shit is so easy anyone good do it all it is is bree bree breakdown bree bree repeat but time will pass and so will deathcore

...so you've heard like one "deathcore" band.

Jondy wrote:

^as far as metalcore goes, I like unearth. I love the guitar style. I wish someone would mix it with melodic vocals.

Between the Buried and Me, Protest the Hero. You're welcome. Haha. Metalcore has gone too melodic these days. More bands like Converge and Dillinger Escape Plan, i need some tritones and minor seconds and huwhat not.

[Agent_00Funk]

I love this band, and Greyson looks just like his dad = )

[WyldeMan666]

**** theses labels what happened to good music i love metal till i die but does it mean i cant like disturbed or rob zombie cause i like Black label society and slayer its stupid i dont really like metalcore and all that, but i respect those musicians cause they do what they do ,i think we'd be better off if we say **** the labels and judge music on strictly the music

[cody733]

a little late on the "gaining recognition"
it's a worn out genre at this point. i used to love everything about metalcore, but now it's saturated with so much crap that i just can't listen to it half of the time

[Jondy]

TheWickerMan666 wrote:

What's the point in all this?

Does it really matter what genre of music it is??

Surely, if you like it, listen to it, and if you don't like it, don't listen to it. Why bother complaining about it?

And why bother trying to take the piss out of someone for what they listen to? If you know that they listen to it, it shows they're not embarrassed to listen to it and let people know, and that they don't care what you think!

"People" (well, the majority of them) are so ignorant now-a-days, as people have already commented above.

Anyway, sorry about that.

All Shall Perish are great, in my opinion; and talented at what they do, no matter what genre they may be.

well the point of genre's is not to create hatred towards genre's, it's just a way to make it easier to talk about music. Same reason you'd put anything else into categories.

Any one given band usually fits into several sub genre's, but that's ok. It shouldn't be something to argue about. It's just that... I wouldn't want to just say I like metal, because that's as vague as saying I like food. I like mostly power metal and symphonic power metal. And saying that makes it easier to talk about.

Another important thing to point out is sub-genres are not as defined by actual music elements so much as by tracking a bands influences. Like have you ever heard someone say that in another era Tool would be considered prog rock? But they technically aren't because they missed the wave? I mean would could still and do call them prog and I won't complain. It's just an example of how influences more than actual sound defines a sub-genre.

[di4gram]

SL!!! wrote:

di4gram wrote:

metal is coming back because of hardcore (or brocore, whatever), which is a genre I really can't stand (I especially can't stand that people think it's punk music). the sooner actual metal takes its place, the better. I really hope that doesn't stay as this stupid down-tuned shit though, I have great admiration for good metal bands, even if I don't listen to them. I don't, however, like listening to someone bang on their open string ("doublepicking") while they mute it on and off. if that's metal, fall out boy is punk.

Honestly, I would rather deal with metalheads than the brocore frat boy syndrome that is all over the place where I am.


Hardcore...Hardcore Punk...yeah. Maybe you've never heard a real hardcore band? I mean, that said, the genre does(as do most) need to be more liberal in what it encompasses and just not the same formula. Take a hint from Refused and push the boundaries.

all of the hardcore bands from this area are imitators, and I'm not hearing anything fantastic from that genre at all. It's got the same downtuned guitar riffs and double-tapping, the same pseudo-melodic-to-dissonance progressions, the same double-pedal bass drum, the same screaming-to-whining-to-screaming formula. I can't really name any bands in particular because the people I know are like "hey listen to this band" and then "now listen to this one" and I can barely tell them apart.

[WyldeMan666]

like i said f*ck labels if you like a band like the band the genre dont difine the bands the bands define the genre like if i said i like thrash metal it means i like Antrax ,metallica, and slayer but i dont think those 3 band can even be compared i like a lot of the hardcore band but some of them just plain suck so i wouldnt say i like the genre or not it about individual bands

[feelsofilthy665]

wtf. what is with the whole "real" metal thing, who cares, this guys are heavy, what exactly is "real" metal, in your opinion??
name a few bands
and i swear to god if you say metallica... cos although they are good, they are one of the most commercial "metal" bands out there...
so seriously, if you hate the band, don't come into one of their interviews and falme them. everyone has their own opinion so just ****ing respect it.