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As I Lay Dying: 'Never Stop Aspiring And Don't Sweat The Small Stuff'

artist: as i lay dying date: 05/28/2009 category: interviews
POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 10:31 am
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+ As I Lay Dying: Hear It! interviews 07/05/2006
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HxCida :
Awsome, I love As I Lay Dying! great interview, very inspiring.
POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 10:43 am / quote |
metalcore123 :
Awesome band, and awesome shows they put on. Cant wait for a new CD.
POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 10:47 am / quote |
Adam124 :
I'll third that, they are awesome.
One of my favourite bands of all time

POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 10:52 am / quote |
A3r0sm1th :
Nick Hipa is an awesome dude! Great Guitarist...
POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 11:48 am / quote |
Slow_N_Low :
Basic interview, but he sounds cool. And AILD were the band that got me to transition into extreme music. They are definitely on teh forefront.
POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 12:29 pm / quote |
Jester InFlames :
Slow_N_Low wrote:

Basic interview, but he sounds cool. And AILD were the band that got me to transition into extreme music. They are definitely on teh forefront.


extrme music???...THIS????...

POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 01:06 pm / quote |
ChrissyChiChi :
Not a fan of the band at all but he seems like a good dude.
POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 01:23 pm / quote |
justinb904 :
They are definitely one of my favorite bands and the reason I really got into metal.
POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 01:43 pm / quote |
jetfuel495 :
Jester InFlames wrote:

Slow_N_Low wrote:

Basic interview, but he sounds cool. And AILD were the band that got me to transition into extreme music. They are definitely on teh forefront.

extrme music???...THIS????...

Don't be like that, man. You know he meant that this band is what helped him get into heavier music genres.

Anyway, I used to be really into this band. It was the first band I listened to which used mostly screams. Before these guys I hated screams. Loved growls, but hated the hell out of screams. But I liked the way Tim did them.

POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 03:09 pm / quote |
jakewynnrocks :
too bad the interview wasnt more involved. still havent been able to get the new dvd yet, but most definately will soon....
POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 06:16 pm / quote |
Shredder Guitar :
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jetfuel495 wrote:

Jester InFlames wrote:

Slow_N_Low wrote:

Basic interview, but he sounds cool. And AILD were the band that got me to transition into extreme music. They are definitely on teh forefront.

extrme music???...THIS????...

Don't be like that, man. You know he meant that this band is what helped him get into heavier music genres.

Anyway, I used to be really into this band. It was the first band I listened to which used mostly screams. Before these guys I hated screams. Loved growls, but hated the hell out of screams. But I liked the way Tim did them.


definitely man, same here. i never used to like highs that much either..now Beneath the Sky is one of my favorite bands. go figure. lol

POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 06:57 pm / quote |
Emenius Sleepus :
lol, they're about as cutting edge of heavy music as my shoe.


POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 08:08 pm / quote |
gregory_h_42 :
hehe "What advice do you have for young hardcore/metalcore bands that are trying to make it in the music industry?"
find a new style :p i love metalcore but its getting stale quick.

POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 08:50 pm / quote |
Kyle|777| :
amazing guitarist, amazing band. can't wait for early 2010!
POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 08:53 pm / quote |
romencer17 :
justinb904 wrote:

romencer17 wrote:

**** this band. way to play the same riff and breakdown for a few minutes and call it a song.
way to flame without making a legit point or showing any knowledge of what you're talking about


maybe if you actually read what I wrote you would see I did make a point. every single song sounds exactly the same.

POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 09:07 pm / quote |
Skimp :
romencer17 wrote:

justinb904 wrote:

romencer17 wrote:

**** this band. way to play the same riff and breakdown for a few minutes and call it a song.
way to flame without making a legit point or showing any knowledge of what you're talking about

maybe if you actually read what I wrote you would see I did make a point. every single song sounds exactly the same.


Umm so your saying that 94 hours, through struggle , or even forsaken sound alike they have different tones and feelings in there songs but I can say they might sound alike in some areas since they do play in the same key or around they same notes... They still rock out though!! Not many bands that I have seen rock as hard as them live. Great band.

POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 09:35 pm / quote |
romencer17 :
Skimp wrote:

romencer17 wrote:

justinb904 wrote:

romencer17 wrote:

**** this band. way to play the same riff and breakdown for a few minutes and call it a song.
way to flame without making a legit point or showing any knowledge of what you're talking about

maybe if you actually read what I wrote you would see I did make a point. every single song sounds exactly the same.

Umm so your saying that 94 hours, through struggle , or even forsaken sound alike they have different tones and feelings in there songs but I can say they might sound alike in some areas since they do play in the same key or around they same notes... They still rock out though!! Not many bands that I have seen rock as hard as them live. Great band.


I'm sorry, I'll admit that 94 hours and behind me lies another fallen soldier are original.
every other song I have heard by them sounds like the same simple open 6th string alternating 5th and 4th string progressions and basic breakdowns with lots of triplets.

POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 09:47 pm / quote |
jackblackyeah17 :
I'm sorry, I'll admit that 94 hours and behind me lies another fallen soldier are original.
every other song I have heard by them sounds like the same simple open 6th string alternating 5th and 4th string progressions and basic breakdowns with lots of triplets.

isn't that what metalcore is about?
not trying to be an *******, but I think ever metalcore band uses those kinds of riff.

POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 09:52 pm / quote |
romencer17 :
jackblackyeah17 wrote:

I'm sorry, I'll admit that 94 hours and behind me lies another fallen soldier are original.
every other song I have heard by them sounds like the same simple open 6th string alternating 5th and 4th string progressions and basic breakdowns with lots of triplets.

isn't that what metalcore is about?
not trying to be an *****, but I think ever metalcore band uses those kinds of riff.


yeah but there's a difference between using a style and the point where every metalcore band sounds exactly the same.

I guess I wouldn't care if the as i lay dying fangirls wouldn't make such a point of telling me that they're the best band ever.

POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 09:53 pm / quote |
farhan_zul :
more chugga chugga please..
POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 10:39 pm / quote |
pyritmann :
awesome awesome band and great guys
POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 11:30 pm / quote |
philrox :
As I Lay Dying is probably one of my favorite bands up to date. Naturally those riffs in Through Struggle might get old, but honestly.. bands look up to As I Lay Dying as an example. They are getting more creative. Shadows of Security was a good album, but definitely not like An Ocean Between Us. Even Frail Words Collapse was decent. Songs like Elegy and Forever. Can't go wrong with Within Destruction and Sound of Truth.
POSTED: 05/28/2009 - 11:39 pm / quote |
nothingserious2 :
I'm sorry, but I hate this band. haha
POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 12:48 am / quote |
a7xf@n43v3r :
Jester InFlames wrote:

Slow_N_Low wrote:

Basic interview, but he sounds cool. And AILD were the band that got me to transition into extreme music. They are definitely on teh forefront.

extrme music???...THIS????...


Dumbass, he said TRANSITION. I started at Green Day and ended up at death metal so its understandable.

(I KNOW AILD ISN'T DEATH METAL)

nothingserious2 wrote:

I'm sorry, but I hate this band. haha


and you waste your time on this because....?

Besides that shit, I love this band, one of the only bands that can have singing choruses aside from screaming without sounding like crap.

POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 02:37 am / quote |
Covin :
The latest album is killer. I listen to that and just get pumped.
POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 03:41 am / quote |
feisalkhazragi :
this guy is amazing !!
these guys got me into the heavier stuff aswell!

POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 04:08 am / quote |
farhan_zul :
miley cyrus owns this band..
POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 04:22 am / quote |
JohnnyRye :
You gotta love "An Ocean Between Us"^^, one of the few albums I can sit back and listen to without having to skip to the next track every two minutes...
POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 05:43 am / quote |
Pingis_Or_Death :
a7xf@n43v3r wrote:

Jester InFlames wrote:

Slow_N_Low wrote:

Basic interview, but he sounds cool. And AILD were the band that got me to transition into extreme music. They are definitely on teh forefront.

extrme music???...THIS????...

Dumbass, he said TRANSITION. I started at Green Day and ended up at death metal so its understandable.

(I KNOW AILD ISN'T DEATH METAL)

Yeah, well neither is Slipknot or Lamb of God. Seems like you don't even know what death metal is.
Anyways, the side project from the guitarist called Austrian Death Machine has some decent riffs, but otherwise I cant really stand anything that has to do with AILD.

POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 07:36 am / quote |
I.Crossfire.I :
Definitely my favorite band of all time. You can say their songs sound the same, but it's proof that you haven't taken the time to listen to all three of their albums from start to finish(Please tell me a song that AILD has written that sounds like Repeating Yesterday or Forsaken. Also I Never Wanted, Through Struggle, Sound of Truth all sound unique. No song sounds like The Darkest Nights, very melodicly composed, compare that song with Empty Hearts, which is right after Darkest Nights on the album Shadows are Security.). There are dynamics, and though a lot is in the same key, that's the point of this genre of music. Lamb of God sounds the same in some of their stuff as well. I used to be a huge fan of them a couple of years ago and owned all of their albums up through Ashes of the Wake(Most of New American Gospel, which used to be my favorite album back when I first got into metal, sounds alike.) Also, AILD has an actual message behind their music, whether you're christian or not, it's a positive influence, unlike much of the ridiculous garbage metal bands scream about today(such as murdering people, committing acts that not even the sick minded would find slightly amusing). This band has greatly influenced my guitar playing, and has even made me a better creative musician. Hats off to you As I Lay Dying, shake the dust from your feet.
POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 09:17 am / quote |
beckyb89 :
ok so Lamb of God is METAL As I Lay Dying METAL Slipknot METAL who the f*ck cares about which genre of metal everyone is putting them in nowadays and unless the people ripping on ANY of these bands can get on stage and play note for note with them they can't say shit. As I Lay Dying has some wicked guitarists I went to see them play, was standing right in front of the guitarists the entire time and dude he can f*ckin rip. Not to mention I would love to see the people who think they can rip like them come out with an entire album with songs that are half as decent as theirs hope the pussies quit ripping on guys that have the talent to make it and just enjoy playing and listening to their music, if you don't enjoy it don't listen to it just don't bitch!
POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 09:58 am / quote |
Turd_In_A_Bag :
Emenius Sleepus wrote:

lol, they're about as cutting edge of heavy music as my shoe.


do you wear cleats?

POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 10:28 am / quote |
Kaasflipje :
AILD = win.
POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 10:42 am / quote |
Fender700 :
romencer17 wrote:

**** this band. way to play the same riff and breakdown for a few minutes and call it a song.
way to flame without making a legit point or showing any knowledge of what you're talking about



You obviously are here just to flame the band. This band is the band that started the "metalcore" movement. every damn band copied them, they by far are one of the best and most respected bands in their genre. And an ignorant statement like yours proves that you are a dumbass who has the attention span of a rodent. if you actually LISTEN you will be able to notice each song has its own persoanlity.

idiot.

POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 12:06 pm / quote |
MetalHead916 :
I think AILD are pretty sick..they got me into the metalcore aspect of things...the singing is good..screams dont sound like shit...and they play dam good as well..interview sucked though..
POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 01:20 pm / quote |
Oblivoath666 :
lol wow....that Guitarist Looks like Tom Araya from the 80's.....ill check these guys out..
POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 01:24 pm / quote |
Oblivoath666 :
Wow ....im sorry AILD fans but...these guys suck.....their riffs sound exactly the same on every song, and the singer makes absoulutely no sense...it kinda sounds like hes throwing up.
POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 01:30 pm / quote |
Comeback Kiddd :
Austrian Death Machine ftw
POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 02:25 pm / quote |
JEST87 :
His Ibanez ART's are sick! Ibanez should release a Nick Hipa signature model! I would buy it in a heart beat!
POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 03:09 pm / quote |
ajaxender12 :
Not a huge fan of AILD... but love Austrian Death Machine! So these guys are cool.
POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 03:56 pm / quote |
vanthemetalman :
the floor in Houston was BRUTAL! when AILD and Lamb whent on!!! i love both bands and recomend them to anyone interested in talented metal acts
POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 05:40 pm / quote |
Pabli7o :
solid...haha
POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 06:15 pm / quote |
GenerationKILL :
these guys are great
POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 07:21 pm / quote |
GenerationKILL :
Oblivoath666 wrote:

Wow ....im sorry AILD fans but...these guys suck.....their riffs sound exactly the same on every song, and the singer makes absoulutely no sense...it kinda sounds like hes throwing up.


Your post before this one was about you inquiring about these guys and saying you'd check them out, obviously, after only listening to perhaps 30 seconds of each song you came to this lame conclusion.

Opinions are like *******s, everyones got them, and they all stink, yours esspecially considering you're not doing anything better with your own life, instead you're sitting around in some forum running your mouth like some 15 year old girl. And FYI: As I Lay Dying are a christian metal band, so you and your trendy "666" tag in your screen name should just piss off anyway.

PS: The rest of you should just agree to disagree and shut the **** up, every thread for every piece of news on this website is filled with pointless arguments from abunch of morons who are too naive to give anything other than what they know a chance, we all like different things, thats one of the great things about having an individual personality, so quit trying to cram your half-assed opinions down other peoples' throats.

have a nice day, internet-losers.


POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 07:28 pm / quote |
JagerSlushy :
GenerationKILL wrote:

Oblivoath666 wrote:

Wow ....im sorry AILD fans but...these guys suck.....their riffs sound exactly the same on every song, and the singer makes absoulutely no sense...it kinda sounds like hes throwing up.

Your post before this one was about you inquiring about these guys and saying you'd check them out, obviously, after only listening to perhaps 30 seconds of each song you came to this lame conclusion.

Opinions are like *****s, everyones got them, and they all stink, yours esspecially considering you're not doing anything better with your own life, instead you're sitting around in some forum running your mouth like some 15 year old girl. And FYI: As I Lay Dying are a christian metal band, so you and your trendy "666" tag in your screen name should just piss off anyway.

PS: The rest of you should just agree to disagree and shut the **** up, every thread for every piece of news on this website is filled with pointless arguments from abunch of morons who are too naive to give anything other than what they know a chance, we all like different things, thats one of the great things about having an individual personality, so quit trying to cram your half-assed opinions down other peoples' throats.

have a nice day, internet-losers.


+1

POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 08:01 pm / quote |
Gibson_SG_uzr55 :
Great band, nice guys
POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 08:53 pm / quote |
Unforgiven87 :
AILD is amazing live. They're basically perfect, except the singer tosses in some random brees now and then.

And im like that one guy who posted saying, I went from green day to death metal. same here:P but i was sum41.

POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 08:55 pm / quote |
maiden666pwns :
AILD= only good metalcore band( with trivium )

'nuff said

POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 09:04 pm / quote |
Unforgiven87 :
maiden666pwns wrote:

AILD= only good metalcore band( with trivium )

'nuff said


AILD and Trivium are like the most hated bands ever:P but theyre both ****ing amazing. Trivium's musicianship has increased so much from ascendancy to Shogun. I Can't wait for Triv's new CD to come out after their tour.

POSTED: 05/29/2009 - 09:07 pm / quote |
guitarsftw :
in my opinion, AILD did great things for kids just getting into metal. i think the reason people don't like them is that they didn't progress in extreme music at the rate that the kids they inspired did, who are probably now into bands much more intense and masculine than AILD. AILD, in my mind, are milking the same recipe that made them good and its making them suck (to me). I'm not much of a metalcore fan anymore, but i believe that bands like Atreyu, Shadows Fall, Lamb of God, etc., progressed at least a little bit, and provided their listeners with new stuff, rather than the old stuff. AILD had trouble getting over the "just another metalcore band" label, and are still struggling with it. they have enough writing ability and inspiration to be able to overcome it, but they need an extra boost.
POSTED: 05/30/2009 - 01:21 am / quote |
romencer17 :
I love how mad as i lay dying fangirls get when you make fun of this band
POSTED: 05/30/2009 - 02:39 am / quote |
 
 m 
  :
Checked.

As I Lay Dying seem like a cool bunch of guys, but their music just doesn't do anything for me.

POSTED: 05/30/2009 - 02:44 am / quote |
BSM123456789 :
romencer17 wrote:

I love how mad as i lay dying fangirls get when you make fun of this band


haha me too

POSTED: 05/30/2009 - 03:22 am / quote |
cobainAnselmo :
although i don't really like "metalcore"

this band is really talented..
their musical work is awesome and lambesis is one of the heaviest metal vocalist...

just listen to an ocean between us...and you'll know what i mean...

POSTED: 05/30/2009 - 05:00 am / quote |
I.Crossfire.I :
Oblivoath666 wrote:

Wow ....im sorry AILD fans but...these guys suck.....their riffs sound exactly the same on every song, and the singer makes absoulutely no sense...it kinda sounds like hes throwing up.


btw, you spent 6 minutes listening to the band. I'm glad that you can listen to 3 albums worth of music and make a statement like that.

POSTED: 05/30/2009 - 11:34 am / quote |
LordWorm420 :
cobainAnselmo wrote:

although i don't really like "metalcore"

this band is really talented..
their musical work is awesome and lambesis is one of the heaviest metal vocalist...

just listen to an ocean between us...and you'll know what i mean...


heaviest metal vocalist?

oh god, the ignorance

POSTED: 05/30/2009 - 03:04 pm / quote |
Kmaster_MXC :
lol @ the in flames fanboy trying to be elitist. epic fail, same goes for all the *******s who come here trying to look cool bashing metalcore bands.
if you don't like them just don't post shit. and btw listening to in flames and all that melodeath shit doesn't make you a "real" metalhead so just shut the **** up.

POSTED: 05/30/2009 - 04:42 pm / quote |
Cannibal Koala :
You know what pisses me off?
Little kids who just screw up things because they don't like a certain thing, or just don't like that...
Guys just get a life.

Btw, AISD is an insane band, Love 'em!
Good Luck on the No Fear Tour dudes!

POSTED: 05/30/2009 - 11:09 pm / quote |
xXChimairaXx :
I want his guitar so bad. IBanez should make it an artist series because it is so awesome all around. Heavy as heck though. I saw him playing the destroyer before they brought it back. Hopefully they'll make his for the public.
POSTED: 05/31/2009 - 05:43 am / quote |
LP4EVR :
i thought phil played lead guitar
POSTED: 06/01/2009 - 01:06 pm / quote |
LordWorm420 :
beckyb89 wrote:

ok so Lamb of God is METAL As I Lay Dying METAL Slipknot METAL who the f*ck cares about which genre of metal everyone is putting them in nowadays and unless the people ripping on ANY of these bands can get on stage and play note for note with them they can't say shit. As I Lay Dying has some wicked guitarists I went to see them play, was standing right in front of the guitarists the entire time and dude he can f*ckin rip. Not to mention I would love to see the people who think they can rip like them come out with an entire album with songs that are half as decent as theirs hope the pussies quit ripping on guys that have the talent to make it and just enjoy playing and listening to their music, if you don't enjoy it don't listen to it just don't bitch!


first off, we care about genres cause we don't want aild fanboys thinking they know anything about extreme metal.

second, their guitar parts are very simple and repetetive. I've tried learning them and it wsa the most boring shit ever.

Third, obviously a lot of people could make music just like this, since almost every metalcore band is a replica of this one.

POSTED: 06/02/2009 - 12:04 am / quote |
JuiceMogly :
Minus the bear is awesome.
POSTED: 06/02/2009 - 12:34 pm / quote |
TrashMetal94 :
Nick Hipa is tha man! Sweeeettt!
POSTED: 06/02/2009 - 12:36 pm / quote |
AILDistheBEST :
Ok this is one thing i dont understand, if you dont like this band, why do u even read the article?? Let alone negatively comment on why u dont like said band with less than legit reasoning and just piss people off. those that complain about the triplet breakdowns need to realize that that goes with the genre of music. Besides, u gotta admit that nick freakin' shreds!!
POSTED: 06/02/2009 - 01:57 pm / quote |
BurningTheLives :
Awesome interview. This band is very talented. An Ocean Between Us is one of my favorite albums of all time, every song on it is awesome.
POSTED: 06/02/2009 - 05:05 pm / quote |
BurningTheLives :
Wow, after reading through some of the comments on here, I think comments shouldn't be allowed on these news stories, because it seems to attract close minded *******s. The people talking shit about the band prove themselves as being close minded, because if you weren't, you would be able to understand the fact that maybe you just don't have an ear for this type of music, or more specifically, this band. So to the people talking about how their riffs sound the same, they don't to the people that actually listen to this music and this band.
POSTED: 06/02/2009 - 05:23 pm / quote |
LordWorm420 :
BurningTheLives wrote:

Wow, after reading through some of the comments on here, I think comments shouldn't be allowed on these news stories, because it seems to attract close minded *****s. The people talking shit about the band prove themselves as being close minded, because if you weren't, you would be able to understand the fact that maybe you just don't have an ear for this type of music, or more specifically, this band. So to the people talking about how their riffs sound the same, they don't to the people that actually listen to this music and this band.


So you're admitting the people who enjoy this band are too ignorant to realize how generic this band is?

POSTED: 06/02/2009 - 09:44 pm / quote |
guitargod13456 :
this is the first scream band i listened to and a first didnt like them but now i like them alot i like songs like i never wanted and nothing left
POSTED: 06/03/2009 - 05:57 pm / quote |
vIsIbleNoIsE :
I Like LordWorm420
POSTED: 06/03/2009 - 09:13 pm / quote |
Shinsen88 :
Good interview and wise words.
POSTED: 06/04/2009 - 01:00 am / quote |
LordWorm420 :
vIsIbleNoIsE wrote:

I Like LordWorm420


why thank you

POSTED: 06/04/2009 - 01:56 am / quote |
reservedforchoi :
LOLZ at all the comments. I'm on the stage crew for these guys
POSTED: 06/04/2009 - 01:49 pm / quote |
RockOnZeppelin :
I'm not a big fan of these guys (I'm not really a metalhead at all to be honest) but he conducts himself well in this interview. Good to know their are musicians of this caliber in all genres
POSTED: 06/04/2009 - 05:01 pm / quote |
izhar :
After watching the DVD, I'm kind of surprised he didn't mention anything as being "crucial" or "completely legit." lol
POSTED: 06/04/2009 - 07:56 pm / quote |
screamsoftly :
romencer17 wrote:

I love how mad as i lay dying fangirls get when you make fun of this band


I love how arrogant internet tough guys get when people question their decision to be *******s.

You've posted about four comments here. Go troll somewhere else.

This was one of the first metal bands whose songs I could actually play, so I kind of appreciate them for that.

That said, the clean vocals always bug me and the riffs are pretty repetitive. Doing the same thing over and over and writing it off as being part of the genre just doesn't cut it as an excuse for me.

POSTED: 06/05/2009 - 12:30 am / quote |
sexclamation :
I hate it when dumbasses have to turn everything into an arguement on something that encourages individual opinions. It is true that As I Lay Dying can have similar sounds in songs that they have written but everyone sometimes does that when making music over a long period of time (even people who are trying to be original). It's true that pretty much any band can join the metalcore genre by pickin up a couple tricks from other metalcore bands but those few tricks don't define the basis of metalcore. I've heard metalcore that was the most interesting music I've ever heard. It's all about the ways you expand upon the concept. Who gives a shit about genres anyways people. Just listen to good music!
POSTED: 06/08/2009 - 04:15 pm / quote |
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