Panic At The Disco: 'We Just Never Really Set Boundaries For Ourselves'

Panic At The Disco might have drawn the public’s attention in January by dropping the exclamation point at the end of its name, but it’s clear that there has been an even bigger musical change for the Las Vegas quartet. In March PATD released Pretty. Odd., an album that features quite a different sound than the band’s debut record. Rather than delivering a series of run-of-the-mill contemporary rock tracks, Pretty. Odd. conveys a vintage sound, with moments that feel like a nod to The Beatles.

When guitarist Ryan Ross talked with Ultimate-Guitar about the sudden style change, it was obvious that the past year has been one of self-exploration for each member of the band. After spending several months in the mountains writing new material, PATD decided to scrap it all and start from scratch. It was a gutsy, but honest move made by a band that in the past has been labeled as little more than emo. With the release of Pretty. Odd., it’s clear that PATD is quickly jettisoning the emo title and discovering a unique sound of its own.

UG: I understand that the band originally went into hibernation to write the new record, only to scrap most of the songs. What exactly was the band’s mindset at that time?

Ryan: I don’t know. I didn’t really have anyone to relate to in our situation, being 17 and 18 and writing an album – having way more success than we ever thought we would. Then we tried to figure out what we’re supposed to do next. I think we were just confused and we didn’t really know what we wanted to do. It took us a while to figure that out. I guess you could attribute all that time spent in the mountains to us just trying to figure it out.

The new album has a vintage feel, almost with a Beatles-esque sound. Were you influenced by artists like that?

Yeah, definitely. I didn’t grow up listening to a lot of that stuff, or at least not from what I remember. Everything about those bands was just so intriguing to me. The songwriting is just impeccable. We just sort of were drawn to all kinds of things about it. The production was even something that was interesting to us. It just sounded more natural, like real people were playing songs together. That’s not something you hear a lot in pop music these days. Everything is pretty much computerized and auto-tuned and beat mapped. I think that just 3 years of touring and playing live music and listening to different things sort of changed our viewpoint on what we wanted to do and what kind of music we were going to make.

Is it true that everyone in the band switched instruments throughout the course of making the album?

Yes. I don’t know. I guess we just never really set boundaries for ourselves in this band. So when somebody picks up the guitar, it’s not a thing where me or Brendon say, “Oh well, I’m going to play the guitar.” It doesn’t really matter as long as we’re all happy with the song that is being written. On this tour Jon plays the guitar a little bit and Brendon plays bass. I don’t think any of that stuff really matters. However the song is written is the way we’ll play it.

Do you usually come up with the core elements of the song?

It was different this time because we got Jon a couple years ago. He was a songwriter before we met him. Me and him ended up staying together for most of the writing process of this album. We just kind of threw ideas off of each other. There were really no rules. There was no set way of writing the songs, which I think helped us come up with a bunch of different-sounding things. Some of the stuff was my idea, and I would show the band. Some of it was his, and then a couple songs Brendon wrote. So it’s just kind of anywhere. There are a bunch of ideas in this band, and everyone is allowed to have them.

"There are a bunch of ideas in this band, and everyone is allowed to have them."

“Nine In The Afternoon” is one of the bigger productions, with an assortment of instrument featured on it. How did that take shape?

That was the first song that we wrote for the album that ended up on the album, minus all of the stuff we had done in the cabin. We had come back from playing a couple of summer festivals, and we weren’t really feeling good about the other stuff we had been working on. So we got together one night, just sat around, and we started playing together in our old rehearsal space. We started working with a melody that John had an idea for, and then we wrote the lyrics together that night. It was definitely the most spontaneous thing we had done. It was just a lot of fun to have everybody involved in it, kind of writing a song about the band and how we were all feeling.

Who played piano on that track?

Brendon played piano on that track.

Do you also play keyboards on part of the album?

I do a little, yeah. On the record I think he played most of it. I just got a piano in my house, actually, and I’ve been trying to learn it when I’m home. You just write a different kind of song when you can play the piano. I’m just kind of curious about playing other instruments and stuff.

What made you initially want to start playing the guitar?

It was strange. I didn’t know anyone who played guitar. I didn’t know anyone that played any instrument when I started playing it. Me and Spencer grew up around the street from each other, and we had been friends since we were really little kids. One Christmas we both just decided that we were going to play music. He asked for a drum set and I asked for a guitar – that way we could play together. It didn’t really matter. At that point I could have played the drums or he could have played the guitar because we didn’t know anything about it. We were just trying to figure it out on our own, and we had a lot of fun when we were 12, 13, 14 by just learning songs together. Then we started writing our own songs together and playing them in his garage and stuff. We started taking it more and more seriously as we got a little bit better and found other people in high school to play with. Here we are!

Did you have any lessons at all?

In the beginning, probably about the first year, I just tried to do it on my own. It was really, really frustrating. So I took lessons for a little while. When I go home, I still go and see my old guitar teacher when I can to brush up on things.

Can you recall some of the first songs you wrote? Were they similar to anything we might hear you play today?

Oh, no! They were some pretty terrible songs! I guess we were sort of growing up listening to pop punk and the whole skateboarding scene. So it was sort of very juvenile, very innocent pop punk.

I noticed that you play Hagstrom guitars quite often. What drew you to them?

I’m actually not sure. I think that someone from the company came out to one of our shows one day and let me try them out. They played really well, and so I just started playing a couple of them. I started collecting guitars a little bit over the past few years, and so I play all kinds of guitars. On this tour I’m actually playing mostly a Stratocaster and a couple of old Gibsons I found in Europe and stuff. It’s weird to bring out those guitars, though, because they’re so delicate. You don’t want anything to happen to them, but they sound better than anything else. Sometimes they get banged up a little bit!

Are we hearing the Stratocaster and Les Pauls on the new album?

I played a 1960 Les Paul Junior for most of it, and then an old Epiphone Casino. Yeah, on this album I used all old guitars.

What are you specifically looking for in a guitar? Do you tend to focus on the way it feels as much as the tone?

It definitely does depend from song to song. I’m a pretty small guy, so I tend to go towards guitars that are pretty light. Then I try to figure out how to make it sound good! It’s more about the playability than the initial sound because you can kind of make a guitar sound like anything. With the older ones, they just play so much better than new guitars for some reason. They’re just easier to play.

"Being a new band, people were trying to call it emo."

I don’t necessarily think the label “emo” applies to the band, particular with the material we’re hearing on Pretty. Odd. There are some who did place that label on the band when you first came onto the scene. Did that bother you?

I guess it didn’t offend us. It just felt like it was a misplaced word for our band. We didn’t ever really listen to what is the real emo. People talk about bands like Promise Ring or Rites of Spring, and we knew nothing about any of that. It was just sort of this fad that was coming up. Being a new band, people were trying to call it emo. That was the thing to do. I guess people are going to call you whatever they’re going to call you. We still wrote the same songs we were going to write on this album, and people can call it emo or they can call it rock and roll. It doesn’t really change the song. So it is whatever it is. I don’t know what to call it!

The producer of Pretty. Odd., Rob Mathes, said some very complimentary things about working with you on the album. He even compared the experience to his days of first hearing The Who and David Bowie. Could you sense that something special was happening in the studio?

Yeah. Ever since we met Rob, we really got along great. He was our first choice on working on this album. From the first time he came out to hear the new songs, we just felt really positive about it. He was always sort of more of a cheerleader in the studio than anything else. He just kind of motivated us to keep going with whatever it was that we were working on. He’s brilliant as well. If I had any kind of idea for an arrangement or something, I could just sort of tell him what I wanted it to sound like. Sometimes it was so vague, but he would still get it. I told him on some songs I wanted it to sound like part of the Wizard of Oz or I wanted it to sound like it was underwater – all of these references that don’t have anything to do with actual sounds. He just really got inside of the record and what we wanted to do with it. He was great. I don’t see us working with anybody else on the next record but him.

Did you record at Abbey Road Studios?

We mixed the album there. We recorded it mostly in Las Vegas, but we did our orchestral arrangements and the mixing there.

For the coming year, can we expect a pretty steady touring schedule for the band?

We’re going to be touring for most of the year. We have a month in Europe coming up and then also a month abroad in Asia and Australia. At the end of the summer we’ll have a little break and then we’ll do another fall tour. Then we’ll do another record!

Interview by Amy Kelly
Ultimate-Guitar.Com © 2008

Panic At The Disco will take part at the MTV’s "F’N MTV" show. "F'N MTV" is a 24/7 non-stop summer music celebration for and by the music fans, combining the best music experiences from TV and the Web. Each week MTV premieres exclusive music videos and performances from the most talked about and soon to be talked about musicians. But in the end, it is all about the fans – as MTV turns over the controls to let them create their own music experiences on MTV.com and choose the best of the best to make it onto MTV for the world to see.

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Fans are invited to put their own take on the music they have seen. The F'N MTV site on MTV.com will be the place for users to view all the submitted UGC. Music fans will then be the judge and jury as they determine the best of the best fan-submitted content that will make its way back onto the MTV big screen -- from fan-submitted videos to user text comments, each showcased with the corresponding music videos played on-air.

Comments

[AdamOnDrums]

2nd comment!
I actually think they're okay, but they dont belong here? I mean, listen to their songs, you can barelly hear the guitar?

[ch715dallat]

god would people stop with the first second third crap, no one gives a crap what position you posted.

[chimpinatux]

I saw this article and laughed..

[tragic82]

hmm i don't like them as a band particularly, but 1 or 2 of their songs are ok... and ross doesn't seem like a total prat...

i'll bet there's gonna be some heavy flaming on this page by the end of the day!

[underwater_lad]

Get out.

[EvilWeevil]

meh, good for them, their new stuff is at least a little more interesting than the turd being churned out by most new bands

[sebbsmith]

The thing I don't get is that they scrapped the old material because it wouldn't be possible live.
How is Pretty. Odd any different? All that orchrestration etc.

[[x]Huffy[x]]

So raping The Beatles can make you unique now?

brbwhitealbum

[Regression]

by dropping the exclamation point at the end of its name

Wasn't it after 'Panic', not the end of the name.

As much as most people hate them, I thought the 1st album was really well done. And despite the 'similarities' to Fall Out Boy, their music was quite original.

But from the songs I've heard, this one seems fairly average. It seems to me they have taken a big step back.

I will give it a try though, I just don't see it being as catchy and creative as the 1st album.

[Domenic28]

their first album was amazing but i didnt like this one

[jshwak]

Uninterested .. but good for them I guess.

[Laces Out Danny]

I think they're okay, but not amazing

They're music is really listenable though

[Fabrizet]

i don't really like them. first of all, their name sucks. second of all, no.

[archangelseren]

o k... i like the band ok, they play guitar they are aloud here! its easy to hate them because of what they are trying to do

3....2....1.....

[GLP_Arclite]

I fail to see any reasoning for flaming, theyve really done an amazing job, reinventing their sound. Whilst i didnt like them beofre, and still dont now, i respect the fact that theyve managed to go in a completely different direction and musically they seem to be a fairly talented band.

So, what im basically saying is, grow up a bit people, if you dont like them, theres no reason to post comments that do nothing more than identify your own ignorance.

[texzephyr]

I played a 1960 Les Paul Junior for most of it, and then an old Epiphone Casino. Yeah, on this album I used all old guitars.

See its talking bout guitars!!! and this is just general music news, most of the stuff in here is. and h8rz, dont bother reading th article if u dont like em.

[Aziraphale]

They are a good band and they take songwriting seriously, they're more into arrangement and orchestration than showing off instrumental skills, and as a result they've gotten a lot of success. They deserve it. And to call them emo is just laughable, for Christ's sake they sound more like David Bowie or Zappa (not in complexity of composition, but soundwise), than any band even remotely emo. But the vocals and the eyeliner is enough to make people flame them without really giving a shit about their music, it's sad.

[Serjem]

i don't really like them.. but yeha.. 9 in the afternoon is one hell of a song ;D

[Cheesepuff]

Auals wrote:

Machine Gun Cat wrote:

1st comment YAY
Y R we hearing about a bunch of talentless pop loosers on UG?


You may quite possibly be the most pathetic person i've seen on UG...

Even if you were trying to sound sarcastic, you suck at it.

Anyway;

I don't mind their stuff, I have Friends In Holy Places is one of those songs I think i will always like. And there is a VERY, VERY, big Queen influence to their sound too, everyone just mentions the beatles but I just hear so much Queen in the piano lines.

Good for them

Oh yeah, I'm glad somebody else noticed. I do wish their guitarist, this Ryan guy, practiced a little more, or played more interesting guitar parts.

[Anarchy_Ant]

Fabrizet wrote:

i don't really like them. first of all, their name sucks. second of all, no.

Oh, 2 great reasons to dislike a band right there =D.

I didn't like Panic when i first heard them but after a friend made me listen to their first album i realised how experimental and differant it was. They're nothing like FOB or anything, they have a very strange jazzy pop/rock feel to them and it's great.

[bennybee]

Panic!at the disco really rocks.Their first album was wow!!This one is Wicked!!!

[party_on_wayne]

the one song everyone likes is catchy, but i can't take anyone seriously who wears make-up like in the second and third pictures. come on

[tyler_coleman]

*sits back, cracks open a cold one, watches flaming ensue*

[severed-metal]

Boring music. Annoying vocals.

Glad they're at least TRYING to break away from the emo title.

[Skater901]

tyler_coleman wrote:

*sits back, cracks open a cold one, watches flaming ensue*

*joins him*

[AngryGoldfish]

They play guitars, therefore it belongs in UG. Whether its high in the mix just goes down to taste.

[Neon D-von]

party_on_wayne wrote:

the one song everyone likes is catchy, but i can't take anyone seriously who wears make-up like in the second and third pictures. come on

Yeah I kinda feel you on that but I don't think that is there thing anymore at all. I watched them play a few songs on AOL sessions (no make-up) and I was stunned by how different their new stuff is. I thought it was a pretty solid sound and the musicianship was fairly impressive. The singer isn't as sarcastic and dramatic the feel is COMPLETELY different...If you liked them before cool, for me though, I like them post-exclamation removal =]

[guitaringnathan]

there are 2 types of flamers, flamers who the band, and flamers who flamers.

oh but im not real fond of this band but they are a little better then most of the crap on the radio these days. and they dont seem like sell outs yet.

[guitaringnathan]

there are 2 types of flamers, flamers who flame the band, and flamers flame flamers.

srry thats what i meant to say, I need a coke really bad

[stumaster18]

Good article. Their first album was awesome, but I have not fully heard Pretty. Odd. I'll download it.

[pyritmann]

ahh leave this band alone, their a bunch of young kids who got pressured into sounding like fall out boy for the first album ( Im pretty sure fall out boy discovered these guys or something like that) but at least they have realize that they need to be themselves and they have done that more. regardless idwhether it sucks or not, im glad they are getting away from the FOB sound.

[Its_Rock77]

PATD are way better than UG makes them out to be. just listen to Pretty. Odd. there are many amazing arrangements on the album. the songs are beautiful. who cares if it's not technically challenging? these guys truly have talent no matter what you elitist say.

[Its_Rock77]

pyritmann wrote:

ahh leave this band alone, their a bunch of young kids who got pressured into sounding like fall out boy for the first album ( Im pretty sure fall out boy discovered these guys or something like that) but at least they have realize that they need to be themselves and they have done that more. regardless idwhether it sucks or not, im glad they are getting away from the FOB sound.

and to clear this all up, they never sounded anything like Fall Out Boy. and don't tell me I'm wrong because I have listened to both bands enough to know.

[marktuazon]

the vocals, to me, sound just like the guy from Fall Out Boy

[shyalicia]

they are amazing. good interview.

[DP_SF_DTX_RATM]

eh....not my music, I quite despise their old stuff.
But, to each's own I suppose yes?

It is respectful that they are trying to break from mainstream.

[ChemyVamp]

i really liked their first album cause it was quite original or maybe cause it was kind of fresh but this one just sounds so... i don't know how to say it... like if they were trying too hard to sound like an older band.

it's okay though

[Melodic_Rocker]

oh yay i like hearing about panic at the disco. they should have been named FAIL! to the max... but seriously the band is pointless, their music is pointless, they suck and blow simultaneously.

[Idioteque5150]

first of all UG... do NOT compare these people to the Beatles.

Second of all go to Youtube and watch the singer get a bottle thrown at his head.
Thanks.

[dead-end-friend]

No, its not okay. this band, and every band like it, are NOT ok... there is nothing okay about weiner kids painting their face and writing less than sub par music. Nod to the beatles? if at 17 + 18 your JUST figuring out who they are, get a new job.

[0h The Horror]

They don't set boundaries because they don't know what they're doing. How is it that UG keeps deciding to post this nonsense?

[Seidenschnur]

The guitar player says I don't know to everything he's asked. You can tell from their first album that they didn't know what they were doing. You can tell from their new material that they still have no idea who they are. Seriously, they are just ripping off Sgt. Peppers and the guy has no idea how that happened. Plus he needs make-up to look cool. Total fag shit for losers.

[Fly, Marlowe]

half the article was about guitar preferences. How the hell is this not relevant?

Honestly, people...

[whitesummer527]

what music do you listen too?

[whitesummer527]

this is for my last post, looks like the quote didn't work

[ratmblink123]

I think this was a pretty cool interview, although Panic is not my kinda music.
The guy sounds really down to earth, and to everyone bashing them, why be here if you dislike the band? Quit wasting your time. Thanks

Idioteque5150 wrote:
first of all UG... do NOT compare these people to the Beatles.
Thanks.

Yeah, they weren't comparing them to the Beatles, just saying that it seemed like a few tracks were a "nod" to the Beatles. That's not exactly comparing the two bands.

[sheadude6778]

K..how many people that are shitting on this band are metalheads? Honestly, I listen to Panic and I can't hear anything wrong with it! They play all kinds of instruments and you can tell it's more about the music than anything else for these guys, and I respect that. Just cuz they don't have super fast guitar riffs or any stuff like that, doesn't make them a bad band. And they are definately not emo. Like jesus. UG has every right to put whoever they want on their site, and actually they have alot more right then other people to be here.

[original=punk]

Regression wrote:

by dropping the exclamation point at the end of its name


Wasn't it after 'Panic', not the end of the name.

As much as most people hate them, I thought the 1st album was really well done. And despite the 'similarities' to Fall Out Boy, their music was quite original.

But from the songs I've heard, this one seems fairly average. It seems to me they have taken a big step back.

I will give it a try though, I just don't see it being as catchy and creative as the 1st album.

only similarites I found are the voices and the lyric style.

I haven't read the lyrics of the newer stuff, I hope it's better than that pseudo-intellectual hipster "random" crap, that's the reason why i never really worshipped them, just felt that they had great potential as a pop band.

[MordancyRhythm]

Panic at the Disco is good in the field of music they specialize. They're not set out to be metal or alternative, and I believe they do pop punk justice, especially with their 1st CD. That was creative and original. I'm a metalhead at heart, but you can't say everything else sucks because metal musicians are amazing at their instruments 95% of the time. Panic at the Disco isn't about that, so I give them kudos in the pop punk field.

[Infamou$17]

I didn't like the new album for a while but it did manage to grow on me. Even live they do a pretty good job of staying true to the sound, though they don't bring out the extra instruments. You can tell there's a Beatles influence and maybe even a little bit of The Format but it's not a big enough deal for all of you metalheads to flame them for it, even though you don't listen to the Beatles.

And yeah, it is hard to hear the guitars sometimes, but it's not as bad as it could be

[GeekInThePink]

Its_Rock77 wrote:

PATD are way better than UG makes them out to be. just listen to Pretty. Odd. there are many amazing arrangements on the album. the songs are beautiful. who cares if it's not technically challenging? these guys truly have talent no matter what you elitist say.

Yes

MordancyRhythm wrote:
metal musicians are amazing at their instruments 95% of the time

No

[Vin2254]

49th SCORE!!!!!

seriously though. this is a great album. and i HATED their first album. i comend them for trying something different and sticking too it.

[Vin2254]

MordancyRhythm wrote:

Panic at the Disco is good in the field of music they specialize. They're not set out to be metal or alternative, and I believe they do pop punk justice, especially with their 1st CD. That was creative and original. I'm a metalhead at heart, but you can't say everything else sucks because metal musicians are amazing at their instruments 95% of the time. Panic at the Disco isn't about that, so I give them kudos in the pop punk field.

not to bash you or metal. but the only thing that makes metal guitarists stand out from the rest are their egos.

[pickSlidin]

personally not my cup o joe but i gotta admit that one song Nine in the Afternoon is catchy!

[kennyvspenny]

great band.

[Gabysguitar]

The thing is that the song 9 in the afternoon is really nice but i don't get it: are they 18 years old?

[whitebluesboy]

bro get rid fo the make up

[JXjizo]

What a load of shit If you cover metal songs on guitar and I mean REAL metal songs not korn and slipknot and shit like that you'll notice the incredible amount of skill it takes to play the solos up to speed and correctly try to cover pop punk or punk and you play a bunch of chords, congratulations what an amazing achievement and imo their lyrics are shit and none of it comes from the heart or has any integrity at all because if they did have a unique sound or whatever they wouldn't have let the album producers or whoever make them sound like fall out boy you people may also notice that the majority of metal heads are MUSICIANS who like metal for the MUSIC and therefore don't always
resort to going " oh leave them alone they may not be committed enough to actually practice their instruments and become less than shit but they write good songs. and in response to the complete tosser above me, who do you think has a bigger ego a technically skilled player who gets on stage and expresses themselves with a unique minority style of music that most people don't like, or , a person who hasn't practiced guitar enough to be any good at it at all but still struts around with their commercialized radio friendly bullshit on stage despite the fact they don't belong there in the first place

+1

[GR1NG0_SU4V3]

he seems nice enough,
but I cannot stand PATD.
Just not my cup of teat at all.

[whitebluesboy]

Machine Gun Cat wrote:

Vin2254 wrote:

MordancyRhythm wrote:

Panic at the Disco is good in the field of music they specialize. They're not set out to be metal or alternative, and I believe they do pop punk justice, especially with their 1st CD. That was creative and original. I'm a metalhead at heart, but you can't say everything else sucks because metal musicians are amazing at their instruments 95% of the time. Panic at the Disco isn't about that, so I give them kudos in the pop punk field.

not to bash you or metal. but the only thing that makes metal guitarists stand out from the rest are their egos.

What a load of shit If you cover metal songs on guitar and I mean REAL metal songs not korn and slipknot and shit like that you'll notice the incredible amount of skill it takes to play the solos up to speed and correctly try to cover pop punk or punk and you play a bunch of chords, congratulations what an amazing achievement and imo their lyrics are shit and none of it comes from the heart or has any integrity at all because if they did have a unique sound or whatever they wouldn't have let the album producers or whoever make them sound like fall out boy you people may also notice that the majority of metal heads are MUSICIANS who like metal for the MUSIC and therefore don't always
resort to going " oh leave them alone they may not be committed enough to actually practice their instruments and become less than shit but they write good songs. and in response to the complete tosser above me, who do you think has a bigger ego a technically skilled player who gets on stage and expresses themselves with a unique minority style of music that most people don't like, or , a person who hasn't practiced guitar enough to be any good at it at all but still struts around with their commercialized radio friendly bullshit on stage despite the fact they don't belong there in the first place

Its not always about playing super technical music. Some people actually have FUN when they play music and don't care that its not hard to play. As a matter of fact, id encourage that kind of music even more because it gives greater opportunity for a kid starting out to follow in your footsteps and play the kind of music you play instead of playing super ridiculous technical music. And by the way the bands you listen to aren't "real metal". Guns N' Roses and Megadeth aren't hard to play at all. Listen to Opeth you 13 year old egomaniac.

[whitestrat279]

Ok a few things.

1. They don't sound like FOB. Just because Pete Wentz discovered them doesn't mean they sound like them.

2. Not everyone is extremely technical in their music. They aren't. Deal with it.

3. I personally liked their first album better. It was different from what's out there.

They're not my favorite band. I'm just trying to make an arguement for them.

[petrucci_owns86]

Vin2254 wrote:

MordancyRhythm wrote:

Panic at the Disco is good in the field of music they specialize. They're not set out to be metal or alternative, and I believe they do pop punk justice, especially with their 1st CD. That was creative and original. I'm a metalhead at heart, but you can't say everything else sucks because metal musicians are amazing at their instruments 95% of the time. Panic at the Disco isn't about that, so I give them kudos in the pop punk field.


not to bash you or metal. but the only thing that makes metal guitarists stand out from the rest are their egos.

No, it's the fact that they can actually PLAY their instruments. Not their egos...

[Shifty155]

emo is not panic.
emo is rites of spring, fugazi, etc.
isn't UG staff supposed to be musically knowledgable?

[whitebluesboy]

petrucci_owns86 wrote:

Vin2254 wrote:

MordancyRhythm wrote:

Panic at the Disco is good in the field of music they specialize. They're not set out to be metal or alternative, and I believe they do pop punk justice, especially with their 1st CD. That was creative and original. I'm a metalhead at heart, but you can't say everything else sucks because metal musicians are amazing at their instruments 95% of the time. Panic at the Disco isn't about that, so I give them kudos in the pop punk field.


not to bash you or metal. but the only thing that makes metal guitarists stand out from the rest are their egos.
No, it's the fact that they can actually PLAY their instruments. Not their egos...

You don't have to be able to do diminshed runs and endless sweeps to be a good musician and write songs with a message that people like to hear. Did you ever consider that maybe bands like this are popular not because they play "easy music" or have a good advertising team, but because its music that people actually like? I mean jesus its not a hard concept. If technical ability translated into comerical success then id be hearing necrophagaist in a pepsi comercial.

[whitebluesboy]

Shifty155 wrote:

emo is not panic.
emo is rites of spring, fugazi, etc.
isn't UG staff supposed to be musically knowledgable?

Don't even bother dude.

[Dallen_007]

whitebluesboy wrote:

petrucci_owns86 wrote:

Vin2254 wrote:

MordancyRhythm wrote:

Panic at the Disco is good in the field of music they specialize. They're not set out to be metal or alternative, and I believe they do pop punk justice, especially with their 1st CD. That was creative and original. I'm a metalhead at heart, but you can't say everything else sucks because metal musicians are amazing at their instruments 95% of the time. Panic at the Disco isn't about that, so I give them kudos in the pop punk field.


not to bash you or metal. but the only thing that makes metal guitarists stand out from the rest are their egos.
No, it's the fact that they can actually PLAY their instruments. Not their egos...

You don't have to be able to do diminshed runs and endless sweeps to be a good musician and write songs with a message that people like to hear. Did you ever consider that maybe bands like this are popular not because they play "easy music" or have a good advertising team, but because its music that people actually like? I mean jesus its not a hard concept. If technical ability translated into comerical success then id be hearing necrophagaist in a pepsi comercial.

+1

[Dangerous Jake]

*sigh* when are these deluded, self-proclaimed metalheads going to realize that speed and accuracy, while solid and respectable, do not make someone an 'amazing guitarist'. creativity and understanding an instrument are what make someone amazing, not their speed. you wanna check out someone who is amazing at their instrument check out matt bellamy or tom morrello, they actually know how to use it.

[horandago]

the first time i saw their new song i said "its the MCR and FOB icident all over again" lol
but tbh, its not really emo
emo is more mcr, but i doubt FOB or panic are
owell, i dont listen to panic so im not bothered

[EL2T]

Dangerous Jake wrote:

*sigh* when are these deluded, self-proclaimed metalheads going to realize that speed and accuracy, while solid and respectable, do not make someone an 'amazing guitarist'. creativity and understanding an instrument are what make someone amazing, not their speed. you wanna check out someone who is amazing at their instrument check out matt bellamy or tom morrello, they actually know how to use it.

Agree completely, most metal is one paced and one styled. It often (NOTE: often not always) lacks feeling and is just people showing off how quick they can play. You will never see a guitarist in a metal band who is as good as Jimi Hendrix or B.B. King. The real skill in playing guitar is sounding good when not playing a million notes a second!

[0h The Horror]

They're terribley egotistical, they wear makeup, and they can't play any of their instruments besides piano, which anyone can learn and be profficient at in under a year. UG is slacking with this bullshit. Looking forward to next week's Avril Lavigne article.

[0h The Horror]

Its not always about playing super technical music. Some people actually have FUN when they play music and don't care that its not hard to play. As a matter of fact, id encourage that kind of music even more because it gives greater opportunity for a kid starting out to follow in your footsteps and play the kind of music you play instead of playing super ridiculous technical music. And by the way the bands you listen to aren't "real metal". Guns N' Roses and Megadeth aren't hard to play at all. Listen to Opeth you 13 year old egomaniac.

Now, I may be out of the current "loop," but back in my day, when a band was told that their music is good for kids to start learning guitar to, that was a pretty deep ****ing insult. It's like saying, "Oh, we love you guys! Your music can be replicated perfectly by 9 year olds, and your fanbase consists entirely of pre-pubescent jackasses, but we love you!"
End-rant.

[VintageZen]

They DID say that they want to be the next Radiohead though.....blasphamy.

I dunno. It just feels like this band is trying TOO hard to try to sound "mature" and thats what gets me. Although I hate the band, I do respect that they're trying to change their sound at least.

Oh, and the video of the bands lead singer getting hit with a bottle was downright hilarious.

[whitebluesboy]

0h The Horror wrote:

Its not always about playing super technical music. Some people actually have FUN when they play music and don't care that its not hard to play. As a matter of fact, id encourage that kind of music even more because it gives greater opportunity for a kid starting out to follow in your footsteps and play the kind of music you play instead of playing super ridiculous technical music. And by the way the bands you listen to aren't "real metal". Guns N' Roses and Megadeth aren't hard to play at all. Listen to Opeth you 13 year old egomaniac.
Now, I may be out of the current "loop," but back in my day, when a band was told that their music is good for kids to start learning guitar to, that was a pretty deep ****ing insult. It's like saying, "Oh, we love you guys! Your music can be replicated perfectly by 9 year olds, and your fanbase consists entirely of pre-pubescent jackasses, but we love you!"
End-rant.

I think I was unclear when I spoke before. What I was trying to iterate was that if someone told you your music is difficult to play than it is a compliment, but at the same time if music consists of open chords, power chords, and basic strong structure it doesn't mean its bad music and it seems most metal heads think they are the word of god if a band is talented or not just because they enjoy music with chugging riffs and non traditional structure. The truth though is that I know only a handful of die hard metalheads who have the ability to write an actual decent pop song because most spend their music time seeing how many ways they can rip off 80's thrash.

[whitebluesboy]

And by back in your day you mean in the shredtacular days of the 80's since you were born in 1993 and all.

[NemX162]

Since when was Panic ever emo? They're music doesn't sound "emo" at all. Also, the first album was a lot more unique than the second, so I don't get why people act like the second is such a step in a new direction.

[BobChicken]

First Album = Commercial 'Emo' Shite

Pretty. Odd. = Very interesting, modern take on Beatles ideas... i like it a lot

[Vin2254]

petrucci_owns86 wrote:

Vin2254 wrote:

MordancyRhythm wrote:

Panic at the Disco is good in the field of music they specialize. They're not set out to be metal or alternative, and I believe they do pop punk justice, especially with their 1st CD. That was creative and original. I'm a metalhead at heart, but you can't say everything else sucks because metal musicians are amazing at their instruments 95% of the time. Panic at the Disco isn't about that, so I give them kudos in the pop punk field.


not to bash you or metal. but the only thing that makes metal guitarists stand out from the rest are their egos.

No, it's the fact that they can actually PLAY their instruments. Not their egos...

so wait, b.b. king can't play. stevie ray can't play. im not saying metal guitarists are bad. i play and listen to metal all the time. shit, i was in a death metal band for 3 years. all im saying is it seems that metal guitarists are not always as talented as their larger than life attitude makes them out to be.

[Fly, Marlowe]

I'd call their first album commercialized genius.
The new one, though, is more like a love letter to the 60's. I like both. And they put on a helluva live show.

[Aziraphale]

Vin2254 wrote:

MordancyRhythm wrote:

Panic at the Disco is good in the field of music they specialize. They're not set out to be metal or alternative, and I believe they do pop punk justice, especially with their 1st CD. That was creative and original. I'm a metalhead at heart, but you can't say everything else sucks because metal musicians are amazing at their instruments 95% of the time. Panic at the Disco isn't about that, so I give them kudos in the pop punk field.


not to bash you or metal. but the only thing that makes metal guitarists stand out from the rest are their egos.

Hehe yeah, true. I play in a progressive metal band aswell as a pop/rock/funk band, and which band do I find myself the most expressive in? The second one. Which one is more popular? The second one. Which one has people come up to me and say things like: "Those lyrics really mean something to me, thank you for writing them!" or "That riff is so damn funky, it always gets me dancing!"? That's also the second one. Needless to say, the band that gets me laid the most is also the second one.

My progmetal band has a whole bunch of fans ranging from metal heads to guitar nerds, and it's fun and all, but despite all the difficult riffs and solos and time signatures, the pop band will always have a superior concept in itself.

[Aziraphale]

Oh and btw sorry to burst your bubbles guys, but no, metal is not generally that difficult to play and it's even less difficult to write, power chords and scale patterns is NOT hard to do. Writing Bohemian Rhapsody, that'll require a whole lot more of everything.

[STOJDub]

Machine Gun Cat wrote:

Vin2254 wrote:

MordancyRhythm wrote:

Panic at the Disco is good in the field of music they specialize. They're not set out to be metal or alternative, and I believe they do pop punk justice, especially with their 1st CD. That was creative and original. I'm a metalhead at heart, but you can't say everything else sucks because metal musicians are amazing at their instruments 95% of the time. Panic at the Disco isn't about that, so I give them kudos in the pop punk field.

not to bash you or metal. but the only thing that makes metal guitarists stand out from the rest are their egos.


What a load of shit If you cover metal songs on guitar and I mean REAL metal songs not korn and slipknot and shit like that you'll notice the incredible amount of skill it takes to play the solos up to speed and correctly try to cover pop punk or punk and you play a bunch of chords, congratulations what an amazing achievement and imo their lyrics are shit and none of it comes from the heart or has any integrity at all because if they did have a unique sound or whatever they wouldn't have let the album producers or whoever make them sound like fall out boy you people may also notice that the majority of metal heads are MUSICIANS who like metal for the MUSIC and therefore don't always
resort to going " oh leave them alone they may not be committed enough to actually practice their instruments and become less than shit but they write good songs. and in response to the complete tosser above me, who do you think has a bigger ego a technically skilled player who gets on stage and expresses themselves with a unique minority style of music that most people don't like, or , a person who hasn't practiced guitar enough to be any good at it at all but still struts around with their commercialized radio friendly bullshit on stage despite the fact they don't belong there in the first place

What I wouldn't give for a little indentation.
You're just like 99.9% of people,that if there is a band that you are not a fan of,they automaticaly suck.You are entitled to your opinion but when you use it like a retard,I think your opinion pass should be revoked.For every 1 or 2 people like you that bash bands,theres ATLEAST another 500 that enjoy the band,so get over yourself and quit being a damn music Nazi.

[BobChicken]

Machine Gun Cat wrote:

Vin2254 wrote:

MordancyRhythm wrote:

Panic at the Disco is good in the field of music they specialize. They're not set out to be metal or alternative, and I believe they do pop punk justice, especially with their 1st CD. That was creative and original. I'm a metalhead at heart, but you can't say everything else sucks because metal musicians are amazing at their instruments 95% of the time. Panic at the Disco isn't about that, so I give them kudos in the pop punk field.

not to bash you or metal. but the only thing that makes metal guitarists stand out from the rest are their egos.

What a load of shit If you cover metal songs on guitar and I mean REAL metal songs not korn and slipknot and shit like that you'll notice the incredible amount of skill it takes to play the solos up to speed and correctly try to cover pop punk or punk and you play a bunch of chords, congratulations what an amazing achievement and imo their lyrics are shit and none of it comes from the heart or has any integrity at all because if they did have a unique sound or whatever they wouldn't have let the album producers or whoever make them sound like fall out boy you people may also notice that the majority of metal heads are MUSICIANS who like metal for the MUSIC and therefore don't always
resort to going " oh leave them alone they may not be committed enough to actually practice their instruments and become less than shit but they write good songs. and in response to the complete tosser above me, who do you think has a bigger ego a technically skilled player who gets on stage and expresses themselves with a unique minority style of music that most people don't like, or , a person who hasn't practiced guitar enough to be any good at it at all but still struts around with their commercialized radio friendly bullshit on stage despite the fact they don't belong there in the first place

Thats BS. Have you ever stopped to think that they want to write music that appeals to a certain group of people? OK, so they are appealing to the mass public, whereas prog bands are appealing to musicians and metallers, so your argument boils down to YOU being better than THEM. and if you think that you might as well go be a ****ing Nazi.

[FireMadeFlesh]

They changed their sound in a way that is LESS commercial, so they get props.

[imdwalrus]

When I saw that quote in the title of the article, I thought "Wow, that is so original. Because I always set boundaries for myself so I can limit my abilities and improve my musical abilities at a slower rate." ....sarcasm

[peever]

imdwalrus wrote:

When I saw that quote in the title of the article, I thought "Wow, that is so original. Because I always set boundaries for myself so I can limit my abilities and improve my musical abilities at a slower rate." ....sarcasm

LOL

[ReiDSaN]

Who cares whether it's emo and who cares whether it's difficult. Some people like it and some people don't, it's news on UG because two of them play the guitar and plenty of people who visit this site may have learnt one of their songs at some point.

And walrus, you're a bit of a nobber to be frank. You can only improve so much in so much time, so you need to set reasonable bounadries and goals for your playing. That's just discipline, it doesn't limit your abilities at all in the long run, but strengthens them.

[aliceinnirvana]

Maybe in ten years if they're still attempting to improve and be for real I'll like them. It's just that right now I can't stand their music, or their abilities. I find the singer's voice to be very immature. However, they are very young and have a lot of opportunities and experiences left for them. Maybe there is hope far down the line.

[saty]

to all of you calling them emo, immature, whatever just watch this -> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4_OAVAkL9lU

now, at the age of 17 18 or 19 (i don't really know) how many of you are writing songs like this or performing them live with the professionalism / quality of these guys?!?!?!?!

[PinK FLoYd152]

Aziraphale wrote:

Oh and btw sorry to burst your bubbles guys, but no, metal is not generally that difficult to play and it's even less difficult to write, power chords and scale patterns is NOT hard to do. Writing Bohemian Rhapsody, that'll require a whole lot more of everything.

Alright pal, go search some Symphony X tabs, then get back to me about how "metal is not hard to play." ...jackass.

[bigz6006]

How come everyone assumes that anyone who hates Panic are metalheads?


Maybe they are just hated because they suck and sound exactly the same as Fall Out Boy, who suck even harder?

[shut_up_n00b]

Machine Gun Cat wrote:

Vin2254 wrote:

MordancyRhythm wrote:
What a load of shit If you cover metal songs on guitar and I mean REAL metal songs not korn and slipknot and shit like that you'll notice the incredible amount of skill it takes to play the solos up to speed and correctly 1)try to cover pop punk or punk and you play a bunch of chords, congratulations what an amazing achievement and 2)imo their lyrics are shit and 3)none of it comes from the heart or has any integrity at all because if they did have a unique sound or 4)whatever they wouldn't have let the album producers or whoever make them sound like fall out boy you people may also notice that the majority of metal heads are MUSICIANS who like metal for the MUSIC and therefore don't always
resort to going " oh leave them alone they may not be committed enough to actually practice their instruments and become less than shit but they write good songs. and in response to the complete tosser above me, who do you think has a bigger ego a technically skilled player who gets on 5)stage and expresses themselves with a unique minority style of music that most people don't like, or , a person who hasn't practiced guitar enough to be any good at it at all but still struts around with their 6)commercialized radio friendly bullshit on stage despite the fact they don't belong there in the first place

You're an idiot.
1)Way to generalize. I could say, "lulz just play your low e string and then some sweeps at 200bmp and you have some metal song.
2)That's just your opinion. I could also say that umm...TOOL has some shitty lyrics.
3)You don't know each and everyone of them for enough time to know that.
4)They sound NOTHING like Fall Out Boy. I'm pretty sure you've heard 3 songs like 3 times and deduced that it sucks because they wear eyeliner.
5) ALOT of people like metal. It's really not the 'underground' anymore dude.
6) You don't need to be an super underground indie band to make honest music.
7) You don't need to shred your way through a song to be a great guitarist. Youtube Jeff Beck please.

The guy looks really down to earth in this interview. I might pick up the album sometime.

[saty]

bigz6006 wrote:

How come everyone assumes that anyone who hates Panic are metalheads?

Or maybe they are just hated cause it's easier to say they suck and compare them to some band than to actually listen to their music and formulate a decent founded opinion...

Maybe they are just hated because they suck and sound exactly the same as Fall Out Boy, who suck even harder?

[saty]

that came out wrong...

bigz6006 wrote:

How come everyone assumes that anyone who hates Panic are metalheads?


Maybe they are just hated because they suck and sound exactly the same as Fall Out Boy, who suck even harder?

Or maybe they are just hated cause it's easier to say they suck and compare

[saty]

bigz6006 wrote:

How come everyone assumes that anyone who hates Panic are metalheads?


Maybe they are just hated because they suck and sound exactly the same as Fall Out Boy, who suck even harder?

Or maybe they are just hated cause it's easier to say they suck and compare them to some band than to actually listen to their music and formulate a decent founded opinion...

like finally, this turns out okay

[NorfIrIon]

PinK FLoYd152 wrote:

Aziraphale wrote:

Oh and btw sorry to burst your bubbles guys, but no, metal is not generally that difficult to play and it's even less difficult to write, power chords and scale patterns is NOT hard to do. Writing Bohemian Rhapsody, that'll require a whole lot more of everything. Alright pal, go search some Symphony X tabs, then get back to me about how "metal is not hard to play." ...jackass.

One band =/= An entire genre.

I liked their first album.
I don't like their new one.
The only truly annoying thing about this band is their obsessive preteen fangirls.

[saty]

NorfIrIon wrote:

The only truly annoying thing about this band is their obsessive preteen fangirls.

agreed.

[Its_Rock77]

I feel that I am starting to become somewhat of an elitist myself here....

but metal is nowhere near as creative as pop. and I say that seriously. what is deemed as pop these days has farther boundaries than what you can imagine. Try comparing Pretty. Odd to a Kelly Clarkson CD. both pop, yet completely different. metal, at least to me, has even more of a "norm" that is followed much of the time than pop punk and pop. being technically proficient does not make you a good guitarist. I wouldn't go as far to say Ryan Ross is better than someone such as Kirk Hammet, since IMO Kirk is creative with his instrument, but Ross is way better than many metal guitarists because he writes lines that you wouldn't expect rather than a metal "standard"

and also, Ryan Ross usually does not wear makeup.

[AwesomeDrummer]

meh. they're alright, better than most of the shitty metal bands that are featured on UG nowadays.

[pucci6d6]

whitebluesboy wrote:

What a load of shit If you cover metal songs on guitar and I mean REAL metal songs not korn and slipknot and shit like that you'll notice the incredible amount of skill it takes to play the solos up to speed and correctly try to cover pop punk or punk and you play a bunch of chords, congratulations what an amazing achievement and imo their lyrics are shit and none of it comes from the heart or has any integrity at all because if they did have a unique sound or whatever they wouldn't have let the album producers or whoever make them sound like fall out boy you people may also notice that the majority of metal heads are MUSICIANS who like metal for the MUSIC and therefore don't always
resort to going " oh leave them alone they may not be committed enough to actually practice their instruments and become less than shit but they write good songs. and in response to the complete tosser above me, who do you think has a bigger ego a technically skilled player who gets on stage and expresses themselves with a unique minority style of music that most people don't like, or , a person who hasn't practiced guitar enough to be any good at it at all but still struts around with their commercialized radio friendly bullshit on stage despite the fact they don't belong there in the first place

...dude...punctuation...
Anyways, I kinda liked their old album, but it got really annoying after a while, except for a few songs. 'Nine In the Afternoon' sounded okay, liking the horn bit. Maybe check 'Pretty. Odd.' out, maybe not, I dunno.

[pucci6d6]

^^^whitebluesboy didnt write that, I just copy/pasted, and didn't know how to do that without clicking quote. My bad whitebluesboy.

[mnmizqt]

I LOVE PANIC!!! and everyone who is posting retarded things saying their emo. well i dont give! u have a right to an opinion, but u should be aware that it is an opinion not a fact!

[evilgerbil666]

This album is good, easiest way to say it. They really did stretch themselves musically and at least tried to drop the first albums sound.

To the haters...Really? Beating a dead horse aren't ya?

[evilgerbil666]

And to those who say writing good pop is easy I want to hear you write something. I'm serious, write a good pop song with melody and harmony and lyrics...The whole nine yards...Then get back to us about it being "easy"

Speed does not and never will be the same as musicianship

[shadow__666]

I'm not a huge fan, but I respect the fact that they're trying to evolve as a band. How many metal bands would have the guts to genuinely evolve their sound from one album that made them famous to the next? Not many. Metallica, maybe.

[prplhazed]

I tried to like the first album because i really liked the concept, but i just couldnt do it
some of the songs were catchy, but the vocals and lyrics were so obnoxious

[soulflyV]

Not a fan of the first one, but I really liked this album, and I get a lot of sh!t for it, but its a good album.

[FREEKILL9566]

There is really no point arguing which is better. It is all about your own opinion, your preference. This is in my opinion: Modern day music and the crazily large creativity of mankind has made music evolved. Music is simple, it is also hard. What I mean by this is that, it has different kinds of levels, depending on your preference. You can be a metalhead, and love the technical crazy sweepings, what not. Or you could be a Beatles lover. I really love The Beatles. Their music is simple, but mind blowing. You don't need to play sweeps faster than an aeroplane to make good music. The Beatles, take George Harrison as an example, he doesn't play crazy sweeps and super fast absurdly fast chugga rhythms. His solos are just... simple, and it sounds great. They write simple music, no crazy things, but they had the chemistry, the magic, the mojo, whatever you want to call it. They were more famous than Jesus at one point. Back to the topic. I really liked this album compared to their first, but I can't say it's better, cos their both different styles, it just suits my taste. Every musician has their own style, no one has exactly the same style. You can't compare PATD to The Beatles, don't expect them to be as 'good' as The Beatles, because, THEY ARE NOT The Beatles, you can't expect the musical genious of The Beatles coming from another band, cos' they simple aren't The Beatles. I would like to see those ego****s who say PATD sucks, those who compare PATD to The Beatles, technical music is better than simple music, they can't play their instruments, or they just suck. I would like to see those people who make idiotic comments as such, write just as good music as them. Since they suck so much, it should be pretty easy for you to write better music, right? Well show me then, make sure in a few years, you are one of the most famous bands in the world, then laugh at PATD. They write good and simple music, so can you? And yes, you can call me a 13 year old, cos' I am.

Peace,
WWH

[FREEKILL9566]

Oops, forgot to paragraph my sentences.

There is really no point arguing which is better. It is all about your own opinion, your preference. This is in my opinion: Modern day music and the crazily large creativity of mankind has made music evolved.

Music is simple, it is also hard. What I mean by this is that, it has different kinds of levels, depending on your preference. You can be a metalhead, and love the technical crazy sweepings, what not. Or you could be a Beatles lover.

I really love The Beatles. Their music is simple, but mind blowing. You don't need to play sweeps faster than an aeroplane to make good music. The Beatles, take George Harrison as an example, he doesn't play crazy sweeps and super fast absurdly fast chugga rhythms. His solos are just... simple, and it sounds great.

They write simple music, no crazy things, but they had the chemistry, the magic, the mojo, whatever you want to call it. They were more famous than Jesus at one point.

Back to the topic. I really liked this album compared to their first, but I can't say it's better, cos their both different styles, it just suits my taste. Every musician has their own style, no one has exactly the same style. You can't compare PATD to The Beatles, don't expect them to be as 'good' as The Beatles, because, THEY ARE NOT The Beatles, you can't expect the musical genious of The Beatles coming from another band, cos' they simple aren't The Beatles.

I would like to see those ego****s who say PATD sucks, those who compare PATD to The Beatles, technical music is better than simple music, they can't play their instruments, or they just suck. I would like to see those people who make idiotic comments as such, write just as good music as them. Since they suck so much, it should be pretty easy for you to write better music, right? Well show me then, make sure in a few years, you are in one of the most famous bands in the world, then laugh at PATD.

They write good and simple music, can you?

And yes, you can call me a 13 year old, cos' I am.

Peace,
WWH

[Darkkon]

aeroplanes play guitar? yeah panic have an intriguing sound, which i find to be very unique.

[ac/dc_voltage]

frick, people! what's wrong with you? they suck!! honestly, they are the worst bands in history!

[sanctum90]

panic at the disco are emo spastics, end of.

i cant bring myself to say anything else about them, as i feel physically sick when i try to.

[arcanus trexor]

whitebluesboy wrote:

bro get rid fo the make up

get rid of the ignorance, materialism, conformity, etc...
you wouldn't tell that to your girlfriend, would you?
make up is the same as clothing. it's shit made out of shit that you wear that covers some part of your body. regardless of what some homo fashion designer up in an office building somewhere decides is going to be perceived as "in" or "clean cut" for the next decade or so.

that being said, i strongly dislike this band, as they are the epitome of unoriginality. everything about them sounds generic. blah blah blah, "if you don't like them, don't come here, don't comment" shut up. negative opinions are just as valuable as positive ones and deserve just as much to be expressed.

[arcanus trexor]

evilgerbil666 wrote:

And to those who say writing good pop is easy I want to hear you write something. I'm serious, write a good pop song with melody and harmony and lyrics...The whole nine yards...Then get back to us about it being "easy"

Speed does not and never will be the same as musicianship

also, most of the ug users who offer any kind of serious logical negative feedback about bands in ug news, probably make music, and probably feel that they could do better than the bands they are trashing. i know that i KNOW that i can and do make better music than panic at the disco, it really doesn't take much. that being said, your point is overused and empty.

[YetAnotherMuso]

NorfIrIon wrote:

The only truly annoying thing about this band is their obsessive preteen fangirls.

+1000

[arcanus trexor]

NorfIrIon wrote:

PinK FLoYd152 wrote:

Aziraphale wrote:

Oh and btw sorry to burst your bubbles guys, but no, metal is not generally that difficult to play and it's even less difficult to write, power chords and scale patterns is NOT hard to do. Writing Bohemian Rhapsody, that'll require a whole lot more of everything. Alright pal, go search some Symphony X tabs, then get back to me about how "metal is not hard to play." ...jackass.

One band =/= An entire genre.

he wasn't saying one band = an entire genre. he was saying quite the opposite. most people who write off metal as all the same don't really know much about metal or haven't heard many of the more experimental bands/don't realize they are considered metal by many. some people consider tool metal. he was just saying that you can't say metal is all simple, because if one metal band is complex, then by default not all metal is simple. that is how logic works.

[PhantomNote]

talk about being closeminded.
You should never shut an entire genre down. Because every band is different. Genres are just a guide to how they might sound.

[JFletch95]

chimpinatux wrote:

I saw this article and laughed..

Yeah me to just makes me laugh at how much attention they need now as they were pretty much forgotten before

[JFletch95]

arcanus trexor wrote:

evilgerbil666 wrote:

And to those who say writing good pop is easy I want to hear you write something. I'm serious, write a good pop song with melody and harmony and lyrics...The whole nine yards...Then get back to us about it being "easy"

Speed does not and never will be the same as musicianship


also, most of the ug users who offer any kind of serious logical negative feedback about bands in ug news, probably make music, and probably feel that they could do better than the bands they are trashing. i know that i KNOW that i can and do make better music than panic at the disco, it really doesn't take much. that being said, your point is overused and empty.

Hell yeah

[nikh158]

Dangerous Jake wrote:

*sigh* when are these deluded, self-proclaimed metalheads going to realize that speed and accuracy, while solid and respectable, do not make someone an 'amazing guitarist'. creativity and understanding an instrument are what make someone amazing, not their speed. you wanna check out someone who is amazing at their instrument check out matt bellamy or tom morrello, they actually know how to use it.

My guitar tutor told me this story:
He worked in a local guitar shop; They`d arranged a seminar at the shop with Paul Gilbert. Anyway, there are all these 15 year old shred-heads sitting around waiting for the man to come out and play 1500 bpm shred stuff. He didn`t; he played 15 minutes of Beatles songs. The kids` jaws dropped. They were confused. The point Gilbert made was that you should learn to play songs first, the fancy stuff later. Of course he did go on to do all the more complex stuff later and everyone went home happy.
Gilbert cites his two greatest musical influences as the Beatles and Van Halen. Hendrix would often be backstage at Englebert Humperdink gigs, because he thought the man was a great singer. Most of the great guitarists of the 60`s and 70`s had to learn their skills by playing as session musicians, encompassing many different styles of music. People really shouldn`t get stuck into a mindset of pigeonholing music or musicians, or thinking that playing fast equates to great guitar. It`s all about the songs and how your guitar playing fits into the songs.

[Aziraphale]

arcanus trexor wrote:

NorfIrIon wrote:

PinK FLoYd152 wrote:

Aziraphale wrote:

Oh and btw sorry to burst your bubbles guys, but no, metal is not generally that difficult to play and it's even less difficult to write, power chords and scale patterns is NOT hard to do. Writing Bohemian Rhapsody, that'll require a whole lot more of everything. Alright pal, go search some Symphony X tabs, then get back to me about how "metal is not hard to play." ...jackass.

One band =/= An entire genre.


he wasn't saying one band = an entire genre. he was saying quite the opposite. most people who write off metal as all the same don't really know much about metal or haven't heard many of the more experimental bands/don't realize they are considered metal by many. some people consider tool metal. he was just saying that you can't say metal is all simple, because if one metal band is complex, then by default not all metal is simple. that is how logic works.

First of all, I've seen Symphony X live, they're alright, a bit standard for me though, they were opening for Dream Theater which I find much more innovative. I'm more into bands like Pain of Salvation and Ayreon though, who push things a bit further, to me Symphony X is a very skilled band but they don't really break any new ground.

Anyway, my original comment was: "Metal is not generally that hard to play or write", which is very different from saying "metal is never hard to play or write". So you both kind of lose.

[.:Metal Boy:.]

Idioteque5150 wrote:

first of all UG... do NOT compare these people to the Beatles.

Second of all go to Youtube and watch the singer get a bottle thrown at his head.
Thanks.

go listen to the first track on 'pretty odd' then go listen to the intro to sgt. peppers you'll pretty well figure out why their being compared to the Beatles, and hell dude im sure if you were the one who threw a bottle at a performer and they stopped playing that you'd feel pretty bad haha, and hell these guys are trying to make a living playing music and doing something a bit different, when you get paid solely to play an instrument then you can feel free to bag out whoever you want.... teaching guitar doesnt count haha

[.:Metal Boy:.]

RandyRhoads2 wrote:

amd by die I mean I love you,if those psosts seemed angry its for the mods I want them to go **** themselves with a baseball bat,b ut really YOU EMOS CAN GO EAT REGURGATATED PISS ANS SEMEN MIZED WITH EMO SHIT YOU COCK SUCKING PUSSY FAGS!

.... i think the word here is wow, one day someones going to go listen to a band like 'Rites Of Spring' and go "man thats emo" then go listen to 'Panic' and figure out that its just harmless pop rock with a decent amount of thought put into it. I don't think there are even that many emo's around anymore its moved more towards scene kids that look the part but with big silly smiles haha

[sebbsmith]

No one compares Panic to the Beatles in terms of quality, only their sound.

[xxx_lionel_xxx]

ch715dallat wrote:

god would people stop with the first second third crap, no one gives a crap what position you posted.

LOOL

[Soadfan8]

hmm the title seems redundant to me. maybe alot of mainstream bands ARE actually setting all these boundaries and thats why they suck?

anyway, i do like the song 9 in the afternon. actually has kind of a vintage old time rock n roll feel. i dig.

[Toolshed#9]

The guy on the picture just has this annoying bitch look that just makes you want to slap him

[bigz6006]

saty wrote:

bigz6006 wrote:

How come everyone assumes that anyone who hates Panic are metalheads?


Maybe they are just hated because they suck and sound exactly the same as Fall Out Boy, who suck even harder?

Or maybe they are just hated cause it's easier to say they suck and compare them to some band than to actually listen to their music and formulate a decent founded opinion...

like finally, this turns out okay

If I never listened to em, how would I know what band they sound like?

[Ctrl_Alt_Del]

I didn't realize "a sound of their own"= "every song sounds exactly the same." Huh.

[Pingis_Or_Death]

whitebluesboy wrote:

0h The Horror wrote:

Its not always about playing super technical music. Some people actually have FUN when they play music and don't care that its not hard to play. As a matter of fact, id encourage that kind of music even more because it gives greater opportunity for a kid starting out to follow in your footsteps and play the kind of music you play instead of playing super ridiculous technical music. And by the way the bands you listen to aren't "real metal". Guns N' Roses and Megadeth aren't hard to play at all. Listen to Opeth you 13 year old egomaniac.
Now, I may be out of the current "loop," but back in my day, when a band was told that their music is good for kids to start learning guitar to, that was a pretty deep ****ing insult. It's like saying, "Oh, we love you guys! Your music can be replicated perfectly by 9 year olds, and your fanbase consists entirely of pre-pubescent jackasses, but we love you!"
End-rant.

I think I was unclear when I spoke before. What I was trying to iterate was that if someone told you your music is difficult to play than it is a compliment, but at the same time if music consists of open chords, power chords, and basic strong structure it doesn't mean its bad music and it seems most metal heads think they are the word of god if a band is talented or not just because they enjoy music with chugging riffs and non traditional structure. The truth though is that I know only a handful of die hard metalheads who have the ability to write an actual decent pop song because most spend their music time seeing how many ways they can rip off 80's thrash.

Maybe it's because they dont LISTEN crappy pop songs, let alone care about composing one. Imo PATD is just another generic pop band, like FOB.

[CaptainInsano]

im sorry but the singers voice sounds like a little girl and the guitarist needs to step it up. lol

[guitaringnathan]

honestly i panic, they are kind of annoying and the lyrics kinda me off. but the only thing worse is listening to metal heads trash other bands. you guys make it sound so bad to be mainstream but there is nothing wrong with it. I wouldn't be playing guitar today if it wasnt for mainstream bands that got me into the music. I started out by listening to ender sandman and that was the first riff i ever learned, which was metallicas try at the mainstream audience. I started out by listening to these guys which helped me discover other bands who are not as mainstream, which includes everything from g'n'r to led zeppelin to b.b. king. just because you the music doesnt mean its bad, i would rather have people listening to this than maybe, lil' wayne or something like that.

[Alexishxc1337]

JFletch95 wrote:

chimpinatux wrote:

I saw this article and laughed..


Yeah me to just makes me laugh at how much attention they need now as they were pretty much forgotten before

It's not like they begged to get on here or anything.

And personally I really enjoyed the first album, but P.O. just wasn't for me.

[noodles101]

first of all, you can't say that all metalheads are egotistical guitar nerds and that all metal isn't creative

you also can't say all metal is hard to play and thus the genre is filled with talented musicians

i've heard some metal bands that really do keep evolving but there are certainly a lot who keep churning out the same mindless shit over and over again

but it is also really annoying when those people who do fit that stereotype think they're so godly and being technical makes them good, i think shredding is far more simple than writing good pop music any day, it's mindless musicianship and rarely demonstrates creativity or an understanding of music or your instrument

it's also easy to see how panic at the disco got thrown into the label of shitty fall out boy type bands, their singers are similar and the first album had that kind of sarcasm in the lyrics that 13 year old girls love and slightly older guys tend to roll their eyes at

however, the first album was far more creative than anything fall out boy or their contemporaries have ever written and despite the obvious beatles influence on the new album it shows that they're progressing and are not only staying unique and creative but are experimenting with new sounds

[VintageZen]

YetAnotherMuso wrote:

NorfIrIon wrote:

The only truly annoying thing about this band is their obsessive preteen fangirls.

+1000

+500000

[arcanus trexor]

Aziraphale wrote:

arcanus trexor wrote:

NorfIrIon wrote:

PinK FLoYd152 wrote:

Aziraphale wrote:

Oh and btw sorry to burst your bubbles guys, but no, metal is not generally that difficult to play and it's even less difficult to write, power chords and scale patterns is NOT hard to do. Writing Bohemian Rhapsody, that'll require a whole lot more of everything. Alright pal, go search some Symphony X tabs, then get back to me about how "metal is not hard to play." ...jackass.

One band =/= An entire genre.


he wasn't saying one band = an entire genre. he was saying quite the opposite. most people who write off metal as all the same don't really know much about metal or haven't heard many of the more experimental bands/don't realize they are considered metal by many. some people consider tool metal. he was just saying that you can't say metal is all simple, because if one metal band is complex, then by default not all metal is simple. that is how logic works.

First of all, I've seen Symphony X live, they're alright, a bit standard for me though, they were opening for Dream Theater which I find much more innovative. I'm more into bands like Pain of Salvation and Ayreon though, who push things a bit further, to me Symphony X is a very skilled band but they don't really break any new ground.

Anyway, my original comment was: "Metal is not generally that hard to play or write", which is very different from saying "metal is never hard to play or write". So you both kind of lose.

i wasn't saying you said all metal was bad or easy to write, i was just saying what the person disagreeing with you was saying.

[slayer_rule_\m/]

no offence to you panic at the disco fans, but anyone who wears makeup like that shouldnt be allowed to have their picture taken XD, sorry guys i just had to say it

[Rogue Hermit]

i....like....their makeup in all the pictures. their songs take no talent by the way... sure, they appeal to teenage girls, who have no clue about musical ability. they need to find a new website to promote their garbage

[ctb]

noodles101 wrote:

first of all, you can't say that all metalheads are egotistical guitar nerds and that all metal isn't creative

you also can't say all metal is hard to play and thus the genre is filled with talented musicians

i've heard some metal bands that really do keep evolving but there are certainly a lot who keep churning out the same mindless shit over and over again

but it is also really annoying when those people who do fit that stereotype think they're so godly and being technical makes them good, i think shredding is far more simple than writing good pop music any day, it's mindless musicianship and rarely demonstrates creativity or an understanding of music or your instrument

it's also easy to see how panic at the disco got thrown into the label of shitty fall out boy type bands, their singers are similar and the first album had that kind of sarcasm in the lyrics that 13 year old girls love and slightly older guys tend to roll their eyes at

however, the first album was far more creative than anything fall out boy or their contemporaries have ever written and despite the obvious beatles influence on the new album it shows that they're progressing and are not only staying unique and creative but are experimenting with new sounds

i love you. +1

[the_burning_one]

well, their first album sucked hardcore. i dont nececarily like their second album, but i have to give the guys props for breaking away from making complete emo music. (although they still dress like it)

[PrettyAspen]

Panic is getting bashed because of what they look like? That has absolutely nothing to do with the music they make in my opinion.

Also, these guys are in their 20s now and don't wear make up. So for hating on them because of that? Sad. The pictures in this article are very old ones just to let you know. They no longer look like this at all.

[Distortion360]

Wow! These comments are really funny!

Why are there so much people bashing on metal though?
Not all metal bands or guitarists are egotistical!
Get that through your heads people! Listen to talented Metal bands like Black Sabbath and Between the Buried and Me. A bit of classic and modern metal. I play in a metal band but I don't act like a ignorant bastard.

For Panic at the disco, try harder on getting away from the "emo" scene bullshit and you'll be fine.

[prplmonkeysrule]

Oh, for crying out loud.
Everyone is entitled to like or dislike who they want.
These are what we call OPINIONS, kids.
Vocab quiz next class :]

I happen to love Panic. They have a vintage, classy style, with just a little pop thrown in there, but enough to make them sound distasteful. Awesomeness.

[madasrabbits]

what I want to know is why they used such old pictures of Ryan

[sebbsmith]

prplmonkeysrule wrote:

Oh, for crying out loud.
Everyone is entitled to like or dislike who they want.
These are what we call OPINIONS, kids.
Vocab quiz next class :]

I happen to love Panic. They have a vintage, classy style, with just a little pop thrown in there, but enough to make them sound distasteful. Awesomeness.

+1

[pyritmann]

hahah Greatest article ever simple because of these wonderful comments!!! Im like jumping up out of my seat YESS!! at some BOO! at others... damn this is better than watching playoff hockey.

[pyritmann]

and seriously, someone up wayyyy yonder said that piano is masterable in a short period of time... um buddy ,, noo piano is not easy.

[GodbowstoMath]

saty wrote:

to all of you calling them emo, immature, whatever just watch this -> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4_OAVAkL9lU

now, at the age of 17 18 or 19 (i don't really know) how many of you are writing songs like this or performing them live with the professionalism / quality of these guys?!?!?!?!

please. it sounds like the same song everyone writes when they've played guitar for a month and are trying so hard to have some lil scene ***** like them. instead of folkin' around, why don't you just listen to real folk? real music even?

i have no respect for a bunch of rich asses who never played a show in the town there from before they go signed, it's just good business practices. I'm ashamed that there from the same shitty city i live in.

[rifftrick]

well first off i hate this band...gave them a shot but just can't seem to get into them. i think if there is one word which sums up this music, would have to be nothing other than "queer". I am not a metalhead i have hair and fashion sense enough to be slandered as "emo" by all mosher and metalheads alike. People seem to constantly post " if you don't like the band then don't post negative comments" though if i am not mistaken this is a free society of which i am entitled to post the negative aspects aswell as the positive...because lets face it noone wants to read a load of comments about people sucking the band off. So in conclusion the only people i can see liking this band are people that are fans of the guys and there image more than the music. Original is one thing this band are not as it has been stated that they have ravaged the beatles! nice try guys but give it up

[party_on_wayne]

arcanus trexor wrote:

whitebluesboy wrote:

bro get rid fo the make up


get rid of the ignorance, materialism, conformity, etc...
you wouldn't tell that to your girlfriend, would you?

No, because my girlfriend would be a girl.
It is statistically proven that every news article on UG turns into a debate on the 'metal-ity' of the band, or the band is somehow compared to the beatles, who are in turn compared to Necrophagist or Opeth. I enjoy all the aforementioned bands, but seriously.

[CowboyUp]

Nice interview. I liked a couple of songs off of their first album, but I haven't heard the new one yet. I don't doubt there will be a song on the radio soon.

At any rate, I don't see the point of wearing girl pants and makeup and not wanting to be labeled. Just play your damn music and stop dressing like tools.

[mitchrosko]

arcanus trexor wrote:

evilgerbil666 wrote:

And to those who say writing good pop is easy I want to hear you write something. I'm serious, write a good pop song with melody and harmony and lyrics...The whole nine yards...Then get back to us about it being "easy"

Speed does not and never will be the same as musicianship

also, most of the ug users who offer any kind of serious logical negative feedback about bands in ug news, probably make music, and probably feel that they could do better than the bands they are trashing. i know that i KNOW that i can and do make better music than panic at the disco, it really doesn't take much. that being said, your point is overused and empty.

if you can do better id like to hear your brand/song on the radio and/or mtv so that being said you're point is overused and empty

[Dyrannik]

What the hell, man! Why is this band on the front page? You can't even hear the guitar in the songs they got.

[decaydance_rokk]

Sigh, listen you guys. Everyone of you who is saying you hate Panic At The Disco, it seriously is okay but kinda annoying. This is not the place to put down people you think are posers and wanna bes. And PATD is not emo, where you people get this, idk. They are however a really amazing band. Brendon has got the most amazing set of pipes I have ever heard and Ryan has got a lot of insight with his lyrics. Spencer is a really wicked awesome drummer, and honestly the band is better off without brent wilson. Jon is definetly better than him. I thought that their first album had a different view point than most bands now, and their second album didn't disappoint me. So what if they are using instuments that aren't part of the "normal" or "standard" band? Thats what makes them different and a really good band. So please if you dislike panic at the disco just say i don't like them. Since you don't know them you can't say what they are like. thats all i ask for. thanks.

[arcanus trexor]

mitchrosko wrote:

arcanus trexor wrote:

evilgerbil666 wrote:

And to those who say writing good pop is easy I want to hear you write something. I'm serious, write a good pop song with melody and harmony and lyrics...The whole nine yards...Then get back to us about it being "easy"

Speed does not and never will be the same as musicianship

also, most of the ug users who offer any kind of serious logical negative feedback about bands in ug news, probably make music, and probably feel that they could do better than the bands they are trashing. i know that i KNOW that i can and do make better music than panic at the disco, it really doesn't take much. that being said, your point is overused and empty.

if you can do better id like to hear your brand/song on the radio and/or mtv so that being said you're point is overused and empty

you had not given me a chance to present my music to you before calling my point overused and empty, this is illogical. i have a cd in the works. if you'd like to hear it then i'll seriously take you up on it.

[Inclineline707]

marktuazon wrote:

the vocals, to me, sound just like the guy from Fall Out Boy

yeah when i first listened to them, i was like, "they sound just like fob"

eh, i like em pre-!-removal, though. just catchy-er to me. im not really into the folk stuff, but i sure love david bowie!

[Inclineline707]

they [the vocals] sound just like fob.

[whitebluesboy]

I think all of us here, no matter what side of the music scale we fall under can learn a thing or to from the theme song from Diff'rent Strokes. Remember people...

Now, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum,
What might be right for you, may not be right for some.

[Shredder XXX]

I've gotta say, their new album is pretty impressive. It takes some serious time and balls to put together an album this different. Though in fairness it has been done before in the 60's. But flaming them for that would be the same as flaming all shredders because EVH did it first.

Seriously, just try to appreciate good musicianship when you see it people

[whitebluesboy]

arcanus trexor wrote:

whitebluesboy wrote:

bro get rid fo the make up

get rid of the ignorance, materialism, conformity, etc...
you wouldn't tell that to your girlfriend, would you?

To answer your question I actually have told that to girlfriends I've had. But in a panic at the disco context I was saying it because A) they said they were moving away from the theatrics and makeup and
B) ignorant *******s don't even give their music a chance cuss they wear make up and I think they would be received better by the general public without it.

[inferi596]

the second album isn't as terrible as everyone's saying. i think it was very well done (or maybe a little over done) but the enormous change in sound was what shocked and bored people about it. if this was their first album, i don't think they would be very well known. either way, i like both albums in their own unique sound.

[ryancoster411]

jealous anyone? Just admit it. DAMN. Music is music. it is there for the artist to enjoy making it. if you cant say something nice... then shut the **** up

[hippie65]

Dangerous Jake wrote:

*sigh* when are these deluded, self-proclaimed metalheads going to realize that speed and accuracy, while solid and respectable, do not make someone an 'amazing guitarist'. creativity and understanding an instrument are what make someone amazing, not their speed. you wanna check out someone who is amazing at their instrument check out matt bellamy or tom morrello, they actually know how to use it.

+100

[ken20008]

a lot of metalheads on UG enjoy bashing mainstream bands.
Green Day, Nickelback, A7X, Click Five, SP, PATD.
Its like tradition which i hate.
For goodness sake stop the f*ck of it.

And for people who say metal isnt that hard to play or creative, get your facts right. True, there are a lot of lousy metal bands who keep churning out crap for decades, but there are also bands who create melodic music, real music that isnt overly technical or anything.
Good pop(ular) music is not easy to write, but writing a good song in ANY genre is never easy.

That being said, PATD is ok. Not bad. Quite ok.

[shadowsofbodom]

hahahahahahahaha, the article definitely says that they are emo..... i've been told so many times that they werent by all the die-hard gothic fans, im sorry, but this is a win for the metalhead bashers (by the way.... i have done no bashing)

[shadowsofbodom]

VintageZen wrote:

YetAnotherMuso wrote:

NorfIrIon wrote:

The only truly annoying thing about this band is their obsessive preteen fangirls.

+1000
+500000

+1

im more upset with the fangirls nearing 20..... when will they grow up and realize that this is not really good music? honestly, i have heard them on peoples i-tunes mixes and i just cannot stand the generic feel to the music and the obnoxious tone of the singer. in my opinion they are no better than the shit on the radio

[vanceboy]

it's fallout boy...oh wait...

[voidSkipper]

From overprocessed shitpop to underprocessed beatles ripoffs. Next they become a metalcore band. And spawn the genre "Emotional Beatle-core".

[DanceWreck]

DeadDerykk88 wrote:

i really hate this band so much..everything i would like to say has already been said...i wish they would die.

That was very cool to say. I don't get why people say the singer has an obnoxious tone; unlike most rock to day, he sings like a real singer. Unlike all pop today, he plays an instrument while singing. Unlike all most music today, they write music. Music. No, they can't play dragon-force like all you haters can, but they have invented their own style, and are doing it well. Thats what being a music artist is all about.

[DanceWreck]

Lol ok, this one is just to all the flaming metal-heads:
All of us normal people see right thru the hate posts...
You're all just jealous that most hot girls don't appreciate
all of the hours you all spend in your rooms learning to play 64th notes
as much as they appreciate the style and charisma of a real performing band like Panic.
So you can get angry at the bands, but we know why

[DanceWreck]

Dyrannik wrote:

What the hell, man! Why is this band on the front page? You can't even hear the guitar in the songs they got.

Sorry, I have one more comment. I think the reason so many people say 'you can't hear the guitar' is that they mean to say 'you can't hear the power chords'. They have plenty of guitar to hook on, and its all different sounds and playing styles. Not alot of distortion, but thats their sound. Anyways, if you listen to music to hear the (I have to admit) sweet sound of chugging power chords, then you will be sadly disappointed.

[nofearfactor]

I play metal...but I respect bands that are at least good enough to be working.these guys must have something.theyre working.

[Ex'sAndOh's]

DeadDerykk88 wrote:

They're working because they're playing to ****ing retards on the radio. N'Sync was working, Fallout Boy was working. they don't got jack shit. they're are way more underground bands that deserve "work" then these "artists". Its a ****ing joke if you think their music is art.

What makes you think you can differentiate from what is art and what is not?

[jshwak]

Clearly you guys have no idea how hardcore these guys are.. have you ever been to a disco when there was a panic !!! omg !! you'll be lucky to get out alive !!

[Thornography]

Ex'sAndOh's wrote:

What makes you think you can differentiate from what is art and what is not?

Our opinions is what makes art, not what the artists decide to do.

[Uranutan]

Unique? They just copy old Beatles type pop and newer indie crap.

[theshowbizkid]

I can't understand all the vitriol.

PATD are a band with an objective. They broke through to appeal to a certain demographic with catchy songs that encapsulate a specific genre. They succeeded and made themselves, as well as their record company (and the record company's affiliates) a lot of money.

They are now branching out, and moving in a different direction. As young adults, they are likely to experience new things and their musical direction will reflect this. As long as they write songs they are happy with, and are able to sustain their success, or at least their career, then fair play to them.

The source of umbridge, I can only assume, comes from jealousy. They are, ultimately, more successful than you or I, and will always be more successful than the majority of people who have contributed to this article. Subsequently, there is a feeling of injustice, especially from those who don't like their music.

Let's be honest, they are not my cup of tea. In fact, neither are many of the bands mentioned by those green-eyed contributors. However, I commend all those bands for writing the material that has alleviated themselves to the public ear. For all my personal efforts, I haven't been able to attain such status, and whether that is due to my music not being any good, or not being marketable, or just not being heard by the right people, that shouldn't cause me to have grievances with other artists who are merely achieving what I myself would like to achieve.

To sumise, personal opinions on the music are relative. There is no point in being all "high and mighty" because you feel other bands are better technically, because that doesn't negate PATD's commercial success. The old adage "If you have nothing good to say, then say nothing at all" comes into effect. Derisery comments about a band given focus in an interview, achieve nothing but creating an image of yourself as a very bitter individual.

[jshwak]

theshowbizkid :
I can't understand all the vitriol.

PATD are a band with an objective. They broke through to appeal to a certain demographic with catchy songs that encapsulate a specific genre. They succeeded and made themselves, as well as their record company (and the record company's affiliates) a lot of money.

They are now branching out, and moving in a different direction. As young adults, they are likely to experience new things and their musical direction will reflect this. As long as they write songs they are happy with, and are able to sustain their success, or at least their career, then fair play to them.

The source of umbridge, I can only assume, comes from jealousy. They are, ultimately, more successful than you or I, and will always be more successful than the majority of people who have contributed to this article. Subsequently, there is a feeling of injustice, especially from those who don't like their music.

Let's be honest, they are not my cup of tea. In fact, neither are many of the bands mentioned by those green-eyed contributors. However, I commend all those bands for writing the material that has alleviated themselves to the public ear. For all my personal efforts, I haven't been able to attain such status, and whether that is due to my music not being any good, or not being marketable, or just not being heard by the right people, that shouldn't cause me to have grievances with other artists who are merely achieving what I myself would like to achieve.

To sumise, personal opinions on the music are relative. There is no point in being all "high and mighty" because you feel other bands are better technically, because that doesn't negate PATD's commercial success. The old adage "If you have nothing good to say, then say nothing at all" comes into effect. Derisery comments about a band given focus in an interview, achieve nothing but creating an image of yourself as a very bitter individual.

Thank you professor, for your insightful and tasty tidbits of information.. very well thought out and gracefully written.. with the exception of one thing..

I fell asleep 1/2 way through.. Your exhaustive "insights" are as trivial as the flamers on here that are going to town on PATD .. it's all in good fun matey .. Lighten up !!! :

[Ryugin]

One of the most unique bands I've heard, and their songs are simple and catchy. I love that in a band; most bands these days try to come up with unbelievably complicated arrangements that end up sounding like crap. Music like this, Coldplay, and the White Stripes all go to show you that sometimes simpler drum beats and guitar parts actually let your soul grab the music easier.

[oldschoolthrash]

jshwak wrote:

Clearly you guys have no idea how hardcore these guys are.. have you ever been to a disco when there was a panic !!! omg !! you'll be lucky to get out alive !!

lol

[Acoustic_]

I love their first album, but I find the second album almost unlistenable. It's too bad; they took a major step back, and now they sound just like every other wannabe-Beatles band.

[GNR3737]

They play really good live.

[job153]

whitebluesboy wrote:

And by back in your day you mean in the shredtacular days of the 80's since you were born in 1993 and all.

Bahahahaha lol +1 dude ur my hero

[mitchrosko]

arcanus trexor wrote:

mitchrosko wrote:

arcanus trexor wrote:

evilgerbil666 wrote:

And to those who say writing good pop is easy I want to hear you write something. I'm serious, write a good pop song with melody and harmony and lyrics...The whole nine yards...Then get back to us about it being "easy"

Speed does not and never will be the same as musicianship

also, most of the ug users who offer any kind of serious logical negative feedback about bands in ug news, probably make music, and probably feel that they could do better than the bands they are trashing. i know that i KNOW that i can and do make better music than panic at the disco, it really doesn't take much. that being said, your point is overused and empty.

if you can do better id like to hear your brand/song on the radio and/or mtv so that being said you're point is overused and empty

you had not given me a chance to present my music to you before calling my point overused and empty, this is illogical. i have a cd in the works. if you'd like to hear it then i'll seriously take you up on it.

Id love to hear it.. but if its so good then send it to a record company and/or radio station and then let me know when it gets played since its so good. The only one being illogical is yourself I'm sorry

[decaydance_rokk]

to the dude above me you need to shut your face. panic at the disco is one of the few great bands that are around now and they don't suck. so what if they went in a new direction, using new instruments? they are still amazing and they can probably play a **** of a lot better than you ever will. and why are they on the front page? because the people who run this thing wanted them to. any more stupid *** questions? why waste your time on some band you don't like and never will and don't listen to? GET A LIFE!!!

[DanceWreck]

theshowbizkid wrote:

I can't understand all the vitriol.

PATD are a band with an objective. They broke through to appeal to a certain demographic with catchy songs that encapsulate a specific genre. They succeeded and made themselves, as well as their record company (and the record company's affiliates) a lot of money.

They are now branching out, and moving in a different direction. As young adults, they are likely to experience new things and their musical direction will reflect this. As long as they write songs they are happy with, and are able to sustain their success, or at least their career, then fair play to them.

The source of umbridge, I can only assume, comes from jealousy. They are, ultimately, more successful than you or I, and will always be more successful than the majority of people who have contributed to this article. Subsequently, there is a feeling of injustice, especially from those who don't like their music.

Let's be honest, they are not my cup of tea. In fact, neither are many of the bands mentioned by those green-eyed contributors. However, I commend all those bands for writing the material that has alleviated themselves to the public ear. For all my personal efforts, I haven't been able to attain such status, and whether that is due to my music not being any good, or not being marketable, or just not being heard by the right people, that shouldn't cause me to have grievances with other artists who are merely achieving what I myself would like to achieve.

To sumise, personal opinions on the music are relative. There is no point in being all "high and mighty" because you feel other bands are better technically, because that doesn't negate PATD's commercial success. The old adage "If you have nothing good to say, then say nothing at all" comes into effect. Derisery comments about a band given focus in an interview, achieve nothing but creating an image of yourself as a very bitter individual.

Agreed +1

[guitargod21136]

I love only about 10% is about PATD.

I happen to like metal because I like music.
However, my favorite genre of music is classic/blues rock. SRV and Hendrix are my favorite guitar players.

[guitargod21136]

because i like THE music^

[whitebluesboy]

Brian Wilson likes them. Thats the word of god. End of story.

[veggiederek]

EL2T wrote:

Dangerous Jake wrote:

*sigh* when are these deluded, self-proclaimed metalheads going to realize that speed and accuracy, while solid and respectable, do not make someone an 'amazing guitarist'. creativity and understanding an instrument are what make someone amazing, not their speed. you wanna check out someone who is amazing at their instrument check out matt bellamy or tom morrello, they actually know how to use it.


Agree completely, most metal is one paced and one styled. It often (NOTE: often not always) lacks feeling and is just people showing off how quick they can play. You will never see a guitarist in a metal band who is as good as Jimi Hendrix or B.B. King. The real skill in playing guitar is sounding good when not playing a million notes a second!

+18


i'd rather hear people play with some talent and produce songs that i enjoy listening to then hear someone who got famous because they can play fast.

[0h The Horror]

whitebluesboy :
And by back in your day you mean in the shredtacular days of the 80's since you were born in 1993 and all.

Tbh, I don't know why it says 93. That's just bad internetting on my part, I guess.

[Shread_6009]

0h The Horror :
Its not always about playing super technical music. Some people actually have FUN when they play music and don't care that its not hard to play. As a matter of fact, id encourage that kind of music even more because it gives greater opportunity for a kid starting out to follow in your footsteps and play the kind of music you play instead of playing super ridiculous technical music. And by the way the bands you listen to aren't "real metal". Guns N' Roses and Megadeth aren't hard to play at all. Listen to Opeth you 13 year old egomaniac.

tyes, all guitarists want to be recognizede as the writers of songs begginners learn, allong with "twinkle twinkle little star" and "mary had a little lamb"

[One Way Ticket]

Why does UG even interview these guys. No one in the guitar world cares about them.

[HIM%(^]

is it just me...or does the guy on the title picture look like elton john?

[Ma27hew]

They've always gone outside the boundaries of gayness

[Ma27hew]

hey veggiederek, what are you talking about?

You had BETTER not be calling Panic At the Disco METAL!!! If you were, I am going to slit your throat

[zacksfansite]

I interpret this album as a falling out of what people mistakingly call "Emo". I think it proves Panic's credibility and possibly survivors of the modern music era.
And for Emo, Do some research!
Yes, some of PATD stuff can be categorized as Emo, the actual true genre, but quit judging music in such a way.
You're clearly ignorant in the analysis of genre.

They're a lot of crappy bands out today.
But in my opinion Panic is definitely not in that group.

[elvenlong]

I'd like to point out that Ryan wore makeup during shows mainly for the theatrical effect.
They were trying to portray a circus/carnival feel and it really helped.

It seems most people on this site have a problem with every band that formed after 1985 and every band that is influenced by/compared to a band that formed before the turn of the century.
That's a problem.

The music industry has changed. It's not all about impossible solos and 32nd notes anymore.

Leave your bubble and take a breathe of fresh air.
Panic's a good band and, believe it or not, so is Fall Out Boy [sorry to bring them up].
If you took the time to actually listen to the music instead of looking at their makeup, you might see that.

[Vanox_1]

elvenlong :
I'd like to point out that Ryan wore makeup during shows mainly for the theatrical effect.
They were trying to portray a circus/carnival feel and it really helped.

It seems most people on this site have a problem with every band that formed after 1985 and every band that is influenced by/compared to a band that formed before the turn of the century.
That's a problem.

The music industry has changed. It's not all about impossible solos and 32nd notes anymore.

Leave your bubble and take a breathe of fresh air.
Panic's a good band and, believe it or not, so is Fall Out Boy [sorry to bring them up].
If you took the time to actually listen to the music instead of looking at their makeup, you might see that.

Dude this music takes no talent at all. Go listen to the entire Ride the Lightning album and try to tell me that this shit would be harder to play, or even sounds better for that matter. I have listened to this shit and it sucks. So does Fall Out Boy. Good music is not necisarily about speed like you say we think, its about being good and awsome, which this band, and many of the bands today, are simply not. You say the music industry has changed, well I agree, and its for the worse. Aparently teenage girls and emo kids rule the pop music scene, to the dismay of people who like good music.

[korbhag]

Ma27hew :
hey veggiederek, what are you talking about?

You had BETTER not be calling Panic At the Disco METAL!!! If you were, I am going to slit your throat

What kind of comment is that?!??! Do you know you can go to jail by saying such things??? Seriously it seems like UG is now the home of every morons in this world...

[Aziraphale]

Shread_6009 wrote:

0h The Horror :
Its not always about playing super technical music. Some people actually have FUN when they play music and don't care that its not hard to play. As a matter of fact, id encourage that kind of music even more because it gives greater opportunity for a kid starting out to follow in your footsteps and play the kind of music you play instead of playing super ridiculous technical music. And by the way the bands you listen to aren't "real metal". Guns N' Roses and Megadeth aren't hard to play at all. Listen to Opeth you 13 year old egomaniac.



tyes, all guitarists want to be recognizede as the writers of songs begginners learn, allong with "twinkle twinkle little star" and "mary had a little lamb"

Who learns those songs? Most people start out by learning riffs like Smoke on the Water, and go on to learn a bunch of Metallica riffs. I know people who played for a few months and already knew a couple of songs by 'Tallica and Maiden. THIS is the reason why these bands will always be more influential than a band like Dream Theater, because their songs are much more simply translated to new generations. And hell yeah, I'd love to be an iconic band who formed coming generations of players. Don't you think Ritchie Blackmore is proud of Smoke on the Water? If you'd say no to that then I don't know what to call you...

[guitarnoobie]

I listen to anything from The Beatles to Michael Jackson to Metallica to Tupac to Pink Floyd and IMHO Panic At the Disco is a pretty good band. They have some really nice melodies. And you've got to hand it to them getting a record deal at 17-19 yrs old. Something you 15 year old metalheads will never do being in a watered-down Judas Priest. *cough*Black Tide*cough*

[MarbleClear]

Even if they were the Beatle's changing styles just to make money, I wouldn't hold playing this kind of music against them. It's catchy, and at the end of the day they're millionaires. More power to you.

[jv_music]

ZOMG! WTF! I wanted to amuse myself by reading your guy's flaming remarks, but some of you metal heads piss me off. The n00bs that think playing guitar is all about playing the right notes in the right tempo. WRONG! GET the F*** OUT! Try covering Wonderful Tonight by Clapton. Sure you can play the Chords and sing. It's easy to do, but to do it great with soul in every note you sing and play is true skill. Try Robert Johnson's Crossroad Blues. I bet you can't even get a quarter of the amount of soul put into that song by Mr. Johnson. Look at EVH! Sure Yngwie and most other shred guitarists can play technically better. They lack the soul that EVH has into his guitar. He doesn't just play technical stuff, he puts his entire self into his songs. That's why EVH is still better IMO than most shredders like Yngwie, Vai, Satriani, Petrucci, etc. Though the others have a more feeling than Yngwie, they still lack that IT factor of being the greatest. The greatest songs of all time mostly used 3 chords or chord progressions. Remember the I, IV, V, and I, V, IV?

[jv_music]

Skater901 wrote:

tyler_coleman wrote:

*sits back, cracks open a cold one, watches flaming ensue*
*joins him*

*buys them another round of beer, and joins them*

[trencher]

wow. this comments are fun to read. haha!

[TranquilNight]

I hate how UG writes all of these news and interviews about popular bands, which are quite obviously not popular here! How about writing about some other more talented, more guitar oriented(:O), more obscure(enough with Metallica!) bands!

[Psychedelico]

trencher wrote:

wow. this comments are fun to read. haha!

+1

About 3/4's of the people in this thread are idiots.

[xxAUSTINxx]

sebbsmith wrote:

The thing I don't get is that they scrapped the old material because it wouldn't be possible live.
How is Pretty. Odd any different? All that orchrestration etc.

At least it was unique. Their older material was much better. The new stuff makes me want to bleed out of my ears

[xxAUSTINxx]

horandago wrote:

the first time i saw their new song i said "its the MCR and FOB icident all over again" lol
but tbh, its not really emo
emo is more mcr, but i doubt FOB or panic are
owell, i dont listen to panic so im not bothered

Look at the pitures of them. They are the definition of emo. Whether they play the genre or not, they have the look. It's disgusting.

[Nicky-K]

I know a lot of people laugh at Panic at the Disco, but they've really inspired me. The band just seems so close and their music is really interesting. Brendon Urie has a charisma that totally baffles me.

I've just started learning to play guitar alone and I'm finding it quite hard. It's actually really encouraging to learn that Ryan Ross spent his first year learning by himself and that he found it frustrating. I know I'm not necessarily a lost cause now.

tl;dr summary - I love Panic!

[Korosu]

This band sucks shit.

[shot_inthe_dark]

new sound?
**** that, they totes ripped off The Beatles this past record...
they suck now. I liked them b4

[Vanox_1]

Korosu :
This band sucks shit.

+1

[The_Man_IV]

Korosu wrote:

This band sucks shit.

amen man ... Fuck these guys

[TehShiz]

Psychedelico wrote:

trencher wrote:

wow. this comments are fun to read. haha!


+1

About 3/4's of the people in this thread are idiots.

[TehShiz]

Oops. =P Accidentally posted that ^^ but +1.

I can understand people saying the band sucks, because I dont really like them either, but you can at LEAST explain why. I mean, a band with that name is already labeled GAY to anyone. Also, the makeup? For anyone to even give the effort of listening to a band, you'd probably want to make a good first impression. They've failed in that category...
Although, they do have few songs that sound okay. No song requires sheer talent to be good, just a good sound.

[David_Bowie=GOD]

Least they are dropping the whole emo thing. I think their new song is ok, but is that a sitar being played?

[JPetrucci25]

well ive never been a fan of this band nor will i ever be. theyre too "stock". they sound just like every other new emo-ish band emerging. you have to be original and talented, and i just dont think they have either.

[Hamburger89]

Like I'm gonna read this...

[MarshmallowPies]

TehShiz wrote:

Oops. =P Accidentally posted that ^^ but +1.

I can understand people saying the band sucks, because I dont really like them either, but you can at LEAST explain why. I mean, a band with that name is already labeled GAY to anyone. Also, the makeup? For anyone to even give the effort of listening to a band, you'd probably want to make a good first impression. They've failed in that category...
Although, they do have few songs that sound okay. No song requires sheer talent to be good, just a good sound.

I think nobody posting in this thread has listened to, or even caught a glimpse of any of the members of, Panic at the Disco for a year. They don't even wear makeup anymore. Ryan Ross even cut off his "scene" hair. Their sound is totally different, but still ascribable to them, which takes a lot of talent IMO. They replaced synthesizers with orchestral arrangements and if there's more guitar in the tracks than ever. Seriously, do some research.

Hamburger89 wrote:

Like I'm gonna read this...

Why the **** are you posting then?! Get a ****ing life.

[MarshmallowPies]

And for the record, I didn't like their old stuff very much but I'm a fan of them now. And it's really a shame they got themselves such a gay reputation before because if you ACTUALLY LISTEN to their new stuff, they do have some musical talent.

[boyinsin]

JPetrucci25 wrote:

well ive never been a fan of this band nor will i ever be. theyre too "stock". they sound just like every other new emo-ish band emerging. you have to be original and talented, and i just dont think they have either.

This is just opinion but there really hasn't been anything new in music since the birds sang all the notes hear able to the human ear. I don't know if birds can do that but thats not my point. The point is that Really every note has been play in combination with with every other note. That means that really nothing is original. That being said I may be sightly bias because I really like this album, so take that as you will.

[TranquilNight]

MarshmallowPies
Why the **** are you posting then?! Get a ****ing life.

To say that he doesn't care about this article. Basically, urging the UG Team to write about something else. Seriously, most people on UG hate this band. Why write about it? To sell out and get new members?

Oh and the "get a life" thing, STFU. Just STFU. Maybe you can also explore music a bit further than the mainstream, mmmk?

[boyinsin]

Oh by the way the title is refuring to that they never said "We are only going to spend 3 million dollars (exaggeration) on the album if by the time we spend that we still don't got S*** were still pushing it." But I can see how you could laugh a said title.

[boyinsin]

JPetrucci25 wrote:

well ive never been a fan of this band nor will i ever be. theyre too "stock". they sound just like every other new emo-ish band emerging. you have to be original and talented, and i just dont think they have either.

This is just opinion but there really hasn't been anything new in music since the birds sang all the notes hear able to the human ear. I don't know if birds can do that but thats not my point. The point is that Really every note has been play in combination with with every other note. That means that really nothing is original. That being said I may be sightly bias because I really like this album, so take that as you will.

[kyle_adams]

dave mustaine said it best "...if you have to dress like a girl and wear make up to get people to see your show for one you obviously have unresolved issues and two is your music even that good"

at least they made an attempt to change their sound

[masterchief44]

shut_up_n00b wrote:

Machine Gun Cat wrote:

Vin2254 wrote:

MordancyRhythm wrote:
What a load of shit If you cover metal songs on guitar and I mean REAL metal songs not korn and slipknot and shit like that you'll notice the incredible amount of skill it takes to play the solos up to speed and correctly 1)try to cover pop punk or punk and you play a bunch of chords, congratulations what an amazing achievement and 2)imo their lyrics are shit and 3)none of it comes from the heart or has any integrity at all because if they did have a unique sound or 4)whatever they wouldn't have let the album producers or whoever make them sound like fall out boy you people may also notice that the majority of metal heads are MUSICIANS who like metal for the MUSIC and therefore don't always
resort to going " oh leave them alone they may not be committed enough to actually practice their instruments and become less than shit but they write good songs. and in response to the complete tosser above me, who do you think has a bigger ego a technically skilled player who gets on 5)stage and expresses themselves with a unique minority style of music that most people don't like, or , a person who hasn't practiced guitar enough to be any good at it at all but still struts around with their 6)commercialized radio friendly bullshit on stage despite the fact they don't belong there in the first place


You're an idiot.
1)Way to generalize. I could say, "lulz just play your low e string and then some sweeps at 200bmp and you have some metal song.
2)That's just your opinion. I could also say that umm...TOOL has some shitty lyrics.
3)You don't know each and everyone of them for enough time to know that.
4)They sound NOTHING like Fall Out Boy. I'm pretty sure you've heard 3 songs like 3 times and deduced that it sucks because they wear eyeliner.
5) ALOT of people like metal. It's really not the 'underground' anymore dude.
6) You don't need to be an super underground indie band to make honest music.
7) You don't need to shred your way through a song to be a great guitarist. Youtube Jeff Beck please.

The guy looks really down to earth in this interview. I might pick up the album sometime.

+44

I ROFL'd at #1 and #2.

+44 to anyone else that isn't flaming the band for "sounding like Fall Out Boy," or praising them, even if they don't like them, etc.
You know who I'm talking about.

Personally, Panic at the Disco are one of my favorite bands.


AND,
C'mon, people! Be eclectic!!!!

From
Panic at the Disco to Job For a Cowboy
Green Day to Lamb of God
blink-182 to Slayer
Beastie Boys to Otep
Paramore to Rage Against the Machine
Jimmy Eat World to Decapitated
Pink Floyd to Kanye West
The White Stripes to Lupe Fiasco
Modest Mouse to Psychostick
Gorillaz to Yael Naiim
Angels & Airwaves to Al Di Meola
+44 to Tool
Silversun Pickups to Underoath
Ingrid Michaelson to Silverstein
Charlotte Sometimes to Slipknot
(good) video game soundtracks to Opeth

FROM CARRIE UNDERWOOD TO DETHKLOK
(....I could definitely keep going, but you should understand by now.)

Damn it, people! Try to be at least a little more varied!!

[masterchief44]

I forgot to mention
Death Cab for Cutie to The Haunted
etc. etc.
Oh well.

They are all great!!!!

[shadow__666]

TranquilNight wrote:

MarshmallowPies
Why the **** are you posting then?! Get a ****ing life.
To say that he doesn't care about this article. Basically, urging the UG Team to write about something else. Seriously, most people on UG hate this band. Why write about it? To sell out and get new members?

Because the UG mods are enjoying themselves listening to the retarded metalheads and their deluded little claims that anything without 10 000 note solos is crap and that these emo fagg0ts should be shot off the face of the Earth.
Seriously guys, get a f*cking life! There will be people who like Panic at the Disco, Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance and there isn't a f*cking thing you guys can do. Reading this thread makes me seriously wonder if there's anything left in metal but a bunch of egotistical fanboys who are too busy bashing emos to actually make any music.

[masterchief44]

shadow__666 wrote:

TranquilNight wrote:

MarshmallowPies
Why the **** are you posting then?! Get a ****ing life.
To say that he doesn't care about this article. Basically, urging the UG Team to write about something else. Seriously, most people on UG hate this band. Why write about it? To sell out and get new members?




Because the UG mods are enjoying themselves listening to the retarded metalheads and their deluded little claims that anything without 10 000 note solos is crap and that these emo fagg0ts should be shot off the face of the Earth.
Seriously guys, get a f*cking life! There will be people who like Panic at the Disco, Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance and there isn't a f*cking thing you guys can do. Reading this thread makes me seriously wonder if there's anything left in metal but a bunch of egotistical fanboys who are too busy bashing emos to actually make any music.

+44

[shadowsofbodom]

Psychedelico wrote:

trencher wrote:

wow. this comments are fun to read. haha!

+1

About 3/4's of the people in this thread are idiots.

very, very true

u dont get this much controversy with most bands.... the ridiculous arguements are fun to read thru, i should find somin better to do, but its just too funny how literally some people take these comments

[gbay2]

The first Panic cd was a complete different experience compared to this one. It's sound was half electronica/rock half jazzy/piano-esque or however you wish to describe it, the most important thing that made me enjoy them was the fact that everything was very upbeat, catchy and...how to put it...?fun? Defiantly was my favorite album of all (I have a very diverse taste in music, don't label me)

Now their second album came after months of waiting, expecting possibly a similar sound with perhaps improvements. I was utterly dissatisfied with the results. However after some time I started listening it again my opinions have changed. Musically I think they've taken off in a complete different directions. I felt that they crossed different boundaries in all their songs giving what sounded like queen, beatles and the beach boys. Very different songs that incorporate many different sounds, not all that I personally like.

As a band, they've changed, they originally had a unique sound which made me enjoy it, the sound changed for the better maybe for others but as some have already said I feel like its a step back or maybe the wrong direction. Hope their 3rd goes back to their roots.

[gbay2]

my grammar is epic failz

[TranquilNight]

shadow__666 wrote:

TranquilNight wrote:

MarshmallowPies
Why the **** are you posting then?! Get a ****ing life.
To say that he doesn't care about this article. Basically, urging the UG Team to write about something else. Seriously, most people on UG hate this band. Why write about it? To sell out and get new members?



Because the UG mods are enjoying themselves listening to the retarded metalheads and their deluded little claims that anything without 10 000 note solos is crap and that these emo fagg0ts should be shot off the face of the Earth.
Seriously guys, get a f*cking life! There will be people who like Panic at the Disco, Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance and there isn't a f*cking thing you guys can do. Reading this thread makes me seriously wonder if there's anything left in metal but a bunch of egotistical fanboys who are too busy bashing emos to actually make any music.

How ****ing stup... Forget it. No insults. First of all, why did you say metal, and not prog or blues or any other genres? Second, metal isn't about solos. And third, A SMALL PERCENTAGE HERE ACTUALLY LIKES THIS BAND SO WHY THE FUCK POST THE NEWS? Seriously, why?

[goodguyclub]

jshwak wrote:

Clearly you guys have no idea how hardcore these guys are.. have you ever been to a disco when there was a panic !!! omg !! you'll be lucky to get out alive !!

dude. That was awesome.

[therescue06]

Idioteque5150 wrote:

first of all UG... do NOT compare these people to the Beatles.

Second of all go to Youtube and watch the singer get a bottle thrown at his head.
Thanks.

thank you.

[azagthoth_lvr]

LMFAO these dvdes look like chicks.

[MarshmallowPies]

TranquilNight wrote:

shadow__666 wrote:

TranquilNight wrote:

MarshmallowPies
Why the **** are you posting then?! Get a ****ing life.
To say that he doesn't care about this article. Basically, urging the UG Team to write about something else. Seriously, most people on UG hate this band. Why write about it? To sell out and get new members?



Because the UG mods are enjoying themselves listening to the retarded metalheads and their deluded little claims that anything without 10 000 note solos is crap and that these emo fagg0ts should be shot off the face of the Earth.
Seriously guys, get a f*cking life! There will be people who like Panic at the Disco, Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance and there isn't a f*cking thing you guys can do. Reading this thread makes me seriously wonder if there's anything left in metal but a bunch of egotistical fanboys who are too busy bashing emos to actually make any music.
How ****ing stup... Forget it. No insults. First of all, why did you say metal, and not prog or blues or any other genres? Second, metal isn't about solos. And third, A SMALL PERCENTAGE HERE ACTUALLY LIKES THIS BAND SO WHY THE FUCK POST THE NEWS? Seriously, why?

So UG should only post articles about bands that everybody likes? Yeah, that makes sense. And that one guy bashed ME for being too mainstream o_O

[Cyberwarfare]

Some one please post to some one who cares!!!!!
Panic ant the Disco-they properly got that name from their 1st gig. They started playing and every one ran out as fast as they can to try and get their money back. THATS THE ONLY PANIC THEY BRING!!!!

[Mr.Krinkle07]

Gay

[FunkBassAddicti]

texzephyr wrote:

See its talking bout guitars!!! and this is just general music news, most of the stuff in here is. and h8rz, dont bother reading th article if u dont like em.

I didn't actually read the article.
So I guess I'm somewhat permitted in saying,
Panic At The Disco suck...

..Alot.

[cheesesandwich2]

theyre ok, but the annoying 14 year old girls that constantly obsessive about them ruin it for me

[cheesesandwich2]

i meant "that constantly obsess about them"

[shadow__666]

TranquilNight wrote:

shadow__666 wrote:

TranquilNight wrote:

MarshmallowPies
Why the **** are you posting then?! Get a ****ing life.
To say that he doesn't care about this article. Basically, urging the UG Team to write about something else. Seriously, most people on UG hate this band. Why write about it? To sell out and get new members?



Because the UG mods are enjoying themselves listening to the retarded metalheads and their deluded little claims that anything without 10 000 note solos is crap and that these emo fagg0ts should be shot off the face of the Earth.
Seriously guys, get a f*cking life! There will be people who like Panic at the Disco, Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance and there isn't a f*cking thing you guys can do. Reading this thread makes me seriously wonder if there's anything left in metal but a bunch of egotistical fanboys who are too busy bashing emos to actually make any music.
How ****ing stup... Forget it. No insults. First of all, why did you say metal, and not prog or blues or any other genres? Second, metal isn't about solos. And third, A SMALL PERCENTAGE HERE ACTUALLY LIKES THIS BAND SO WHY THE FUCK POST THE NEWS? Seriously, why?

Because it's the metalheads who are doing most of the bashing on this thread. I love metal as much as anyone, but I also like some mainstream rock also. And it f*cking drives me nuts when I see this article about a band trying to break out of their genre only to be slagged off by a bunch of retarded dipsh*t metalheads. Get a f*cking life guys.

[werty22]

I don't really like them, but I respected the original sound their first album had. I don't really like the last album. They just ripped off The Zombies. I have no clue why anyone ever labelled them emo. They never sounded anything like emo, including "3rd wave" emo.

[theused101]

i think that musically, panic at the disco is very matur for their age, but who can say they havent got treashes and yelled the words to their first cd multiple times eh?

its all catchy and great.
even if u dont dig it, its good in a way that it is supposed to be.


and besides the new cd does sounda lot like the beatles/the vines.

[theused101]

metalheads must not have been hugged as much when they were kids.


or too much?

[slayer_rule_\m/]

[quotemetalheads must not have been hugged as much when they were kids.


or too much?][/quote]
don't think everyone into metal is an *******,its not true,and you'll only make things worse.
I dont like panic at the disco and i did comment on that guys make up but, i don't make a big deal out of a band that isnt my style, i respect other peoples opinions, so please don't assume all metal lovers are *******s

[VintageZen]

Something I never got what was why people think their lyrics are sooooo great.

[jshwak]

Can we get a new story now, it's been up for like 6 days,, patd is not worth 6 days of front page !!!

[Huggy (-.-)]

Aziraphale wrote:

They are a good band and they take songwriting seriously, they're more into arrangement and orchestration than showing off instrumental skills, and as a result they've gotten a lot of success. They deserve it. And to call them emo is just laughable, for Christ's sake they sound more like David Bowie or Zappa (not in complexity of composition, but soundwise), than any band even remotely emo. But the vocals and the eyeliner is enough to make people flame them without really giving a shit about their music, it's sad.

^x2

unfortunately, the majority of metalheads are pathectic idiots who cant apperciate anything that isn't brutalzz enough.
unfortunately, the majority of UG are metalz.

[arcanus trexor]

Huggy (-. wrote:

Aziraphale wrote:

They are a good band and they take songwriting seriously, they're more into arrangement and orchestration than showing off instrumental skills, and as a result they've gotten a lot of success. They deserve it. And to call them emo is just laughable, for Christ's sake they sound more like David Bowie or Zappa (not in complexity of composition, but soundwise), than any band even remotely emo. But the vocals and the eyeliner is enough to make people flame them without really giving a shit about their music, it's sad.
^x2

unfortunately, the majority of metalheads are pathectic idiots who cant apperciate anything that isn't brutalzz enough.
unfortunately, the majority of UG are metalz.

unfortunately the majority of PATD fans are pretentious idiots who assume everyone who doesn't like PATD is a metalhead.
unfortunately the majority of PATD fans have a poor argument as to why this band is supposedly in any way good.

jv_music :
ZOMG! WTF! I wanted to amuse myself by reading your guy's flaming remarks, but some of you metal heads piss me off. The n00bs that think playing guitar is all about playing the right notes in the right tempo. WRONG! GET the F*** OUT! Try covering Wonderful Tonight by Clapton. Sure you can play the Chords and sing. It's easy to do, but to do it great with soul in every note you sing and play is true skill. Try Robert Johnson's Crossroad Blues. I bet you can't even get a quarter of the amount of soul put into that song by Mr. Johnson. Look at EVH! Sure Yngwie and most other shred guitarists can play technically better. They lack the soul that EVH has into his guitar. He doesn't just play technical stuff, he puts his entire self into his songs. That's why EVH is still better IMO than most shredders like Yngwie, Vai, Satriani, Petrucci, etc. Though the others have a more feeling than Yngwie, they still lack that IT factor of being the greatest. The greatest songs of all time mostly used 3 chords or chord progressions. Remember the I, IV, V, and I, V, IV?

that argument doesn't hold up very well, if you consider beethoven, bach, etc.

there were hardly any "metalheads" in here saying anything implying that they think "technical" music is better than pop or whatever, or that technical music doesn't have "soul".
you wouldn't like it if i assumed you were all a bunch of annoying superficial teenyboppers would you?

[EddieCraig]

sorry, but theres no such thing as no boundaries in pop music.

[Deezlink]

I like both of their albums equally. I hate the people who say "Yeah, you like the band because of the name" and random shit that makes no sense at all.

[Progbass92]

IMO, I hated their first album, but the new sound, as much as I hated to admit it, was...*straining to type it* good. I like the new direction that they went to instead of that FOB-esque crap they released before. Also, reading a lot of the pop Vs. metal comments, I have to say that metal can be and is mostly very complicated to play and write and sometimes it is better to do showoffy runs up and down scales and 300 bpm sweep patterns. But it is also okay to be simple and still be metal. Simplicity was how it all started out (Sabbath, Deep Purple, etc.). In addition, the main reason why mostly metalheads always trash other nonmetal bands is because mostly metalheads visit UG to practice tabs and stuff because they actually care about working hard at their craft and understand that it's not always about being popular and gaining positions on the charts.

[jshwak]

jv_music :
ZOMG! WTF! I wanted to amuse myself by reading your guy's flaming remarks, but some of you metal heads piss me off. The n00bs that think playing guitar is all about playing the right notes in the right tempo. WRONG! GET the F*** OUT! Try covering Wonderful Tonight by Clapton. Sure you can play the Chords and sing. It's easy to do, but to do it great with soul in every note you sing and play is true skill. Try Robert Johnson's Crossroad Blues. I bet you can't even get a quarter of the amount of soul put into that song by Mr. Johnson. Look at EVH! Sure Yngwie and most other shred guitarists can play technically better. They lack the soul that EVH has into his guitar. He doesn't just play technical stuff, he puts his entire self into his songs. That's why EVH is still better IMO than most shredders like Yngwie, Vai, Satriani, Petrucci, etc. Though the others have a more feeling than Yngwie, they still lack that IT factor of being the greatest. The greatest songs of all time mostly used 3 chords or chord progressions. Remember the I, IV, V, and I, V, IV?

Did you seriously just call us retarded n00bs for thinking that good music is all about playing the right notes at the right tempo ?? I don't even know how to respond to that.. Are you serious ?? you don't have a mental illness right ??

and I'm not even a metal head !! Hell I listen to Dave Mathews Band sometimes !!

[PoeticInjustice]

Their second effort was decidedly poor in my opinion, Their first single was the only one that was remotely catchy and to be honest I can't remember any of it. They garned success because of their ability to write catchy songs, sure you could possibly get away with labelling them emo and bringing up evidence to suggest why you think this. But their first record definately belonged in the pop genre more than it belonged in the emo genre.
Their second record was a bit dull, I was expecting great things from it, alas I was dissapointed, but I guess good for them for going in a different direction, I just felt it wasn't any better than their previous outing. Ahh well, what can you do.
I'm glad there's not that much flaming on this article..perhaps people are finally growing up! (I doubt it though)

[Aziraphale]

EddieCraig wrote:

sorry, but theres no such thing as no boundaries in pop music.

Maybe so, but it is by far the broadest and most bendable genre of all. You can mix classical, synth, metal, reggae, RnB, jazz, showtunes, ragtime, whatever the hell you want into it and it'll still be pop, the only criteria is that it's melodic and catchy. And that has nothing to do with sound, gear, playing styles or harmonic content. THAT is why pop has the least boundaries of all genres. Everyone can agree on how a metal or jazz song is written, played, performed and how it should sound in order to be labeled that way, but you can't do that with pop. Pop is The Beatles, Britney Spears, Stevie Wonder and Death Cab for Cutie, all in one.

[arcanus trexor]

EddieCraig wrote:

sorry, but theres no such thing as no boundaries in pop music.

...

the trouble with that is the boundaries of genres don't exist until the music is already produced and labeled by us...

as much as i hate panic, i doubt they ever said "hey, we're going to make pop music"

[GodbowstoMath]

voidSkipper wrote:

From overprocessed shitpop to underprocessed beatles ripoffs. Next they become a metalcore band. And spawn the genre "Emotional Beatle-core".

lol, now i might be interested to hear that.

[Rockerkidd14]

i liked a bit of their old stuff.
mostly the stuff that had more jazz or classic feel to it. But i personally think the whole instrumental thing is stupuid. whats the point of making music if you cant play it live? its just stupid.

[joe295159]

*had a good time reading the flame war*

Just wanted to say that there is a difference between being a good guitarist and being a good songwriter. For exemple, and imo, yngwie malmsteen is a godly guitarist(sweep picking FTW) but as a songwriter well I don't really think that his songs are that fun to listen too. But that's just me now...

Saying this because well a lot of people seem to mix those things up in their arguments while talking about who's the better guitarist so...

[mister bass guy]

haha "33 removed"

[fattyDQ]

JXjizo wrote:

What a load of shit If you cover metal songs on guitar and I mean REAL metal songs not korn and slipknot and shit like that you'll notice the incredible amount of skill it takes to play the solos up to speed and correctly try to cover pop punk or punk and you play a bunch of chords, congratulations what an amazing achievement and imo their lyrics are shit and none of it comes from the heart or has any integrity at all because if they did have a unique sound or whatever they wouldn't have let the album producers or whoever make them sound like fall out boy you people may also notice that the majority of metal heads are MUSICIANS who like metal for the MUSIC and therefore don't always
resort to going " oh leave them alone they may not be committed enough to actually practice their instruments and become less than shit but they write good songs. and in response to the complete tosser above me, who do you think has a bigger ego a technically skilled player who gets on stage and expresses themselves with a unique minority style of music that most people don't like, or , a person who hasn't practiced guitar enough to be any good at it at all but still struts around with their commercialized radio friendly bullshit on stage despite the fact they don't belong there in the first place
+1

It is very difficult to play 800 notes per second, and to tap, and to sweep pick but that doesn't mean anyone who doesn't do that isn't talented. Would you then say that songwriters like Neil Young or even Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd are terrible because they don't play blazing fast guitar solos in every song? Maybe you would, but I personally would much rather listen to the smooth interesting arrangements that Panic puts out than some redundant screaming/cheesy singing with a guitar solo with just a ton of notes in a short amount of time.

[fattyDQ]

One more thing. Yes, Panic is pop music. But I don't think a lot of you realize how difficult it is to arrange pop music at the caliber these guys do, with everything flowing and mixing almost flawlessly. Even if you don't like it I think it's still something that should be respected.

[csc501]

'We never really set boundaries for ourselves'

Wow, my band decided no use of D minor, or any songs under 4 minutes in length, we just set all these boundaries for ourselves - I guess that's where we went wrong.

[Tin_man]

1) I saw somebody up there post that PATD isn't emo because they sound "more like Bowie than FOB." It is arguable that Bowie started the "emo" thing, though not what it has become today. He to some exent "got the ball rolling."

2)Good music is not about speed, for all those defending metal. I LOVE metal. Huge fan. But, as a guitarist, and, hopefully, a musician, I realize that I can't make music by running a minor pentatonic scale as fast as possible. As much as I hate to say it, chord progressions are pretty pathetic in the majority of metal nowadays.

3)I'm not a "fan" of PATD, but I don't really think its arguable that they have talent. I can't stand to listen to anything from their first album, but... dang! That stuff wasn't made by people who had no idea what they were doing. Meter changes, unique instrumentation... Its not stupid. And Pretty. Odd. is actually a really nice listen. Beatles-esqu? Yes. Beatles? No.

4)Please, no one ever use the argument that just because they sell music means that they're talented. Or the argument that no one has the right to call their music bad because they haven't made music of their own that's nearly as good. You have no idea if the person you're talking to has the greatest material in the world in his head. Half of the music industry is being in the right place at the right time. Just because someone's not sold (or made) any albums does NOT mean that they aren't allowed to have an opinion.

[ricky wright]

probably one of the worst things to happen to music is this band

[-LAW-]

meeh.. these suck boiled eggs

[Ashtor]

boooo

[Tin_man]

jv_music wrote:
That's why EVH is still better IMO than most shredders like Yngwie, Vai, Satriani, Petrucci, etc. Though the others have a more feeling than Yngwie, they still lack that IT factor of being the greatest. The greatest songs of all time mostly used 3 chords or chord progressions. Remember the I, IV, V, and I, V, IV?

Please never, ever, EVER call Vai or the Satch shredders again while implying that they are mindless and don't care about their music. That is a ridiculous argument at best, and I'm pretty sure that EVH is more guilty of that than Vai or Satch. Seriously, I mean... Jump has probably the worst guitar solo ever recorded. Listen to that solo and tell me that Eddie put "feeling" into that. But... this is not about them.

Also, it depends on how you define "great" in your argument for the "greatest songs of all time." Yes, many of the most popular songs of all time use a simple 12-bar blues progression, but that doesn't mean they're the greatest of all time. Stairway to Heaven doesn't use that progression. People simply seem to really like what they can see coming...

[--Holy--Diver--]

of course they won't know anything about Rites of Spring, Fugazi or etc, because THOSE are the realy emo bands!

[--Holy--Diver--]

i meant REAL emo bands.sorry for the double post

[MadAsAlyx]

Why is ANYONE reading this if they obviously don't like PATD?
Both of their albums are written beautifully, and really, offer way more unique sound and lyrics than anything else I've listened to.
I like Pretty. Odd.
And guess what?
I liked their album before this.
I'm so sick of the flames coming from people who have nothing better to say than "They're emo, they suck, they're raping the beatles."
Honestly, grow up.
I'm 16 and act more mature than you.