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Share Ross: 'I Do Not Think School Is Important For Musicians'

Share Ross: 'I Do Not Think School Is Important For Musicians'
Share Ross is well known as the bassist from Vixen. Tish Ciravolo, President and Founder of Daisy Rock Girl Guitars, comments: "One of the things I want to mention is that Share Ross was the second artist I signed after Wanda Jackson. She really helped me promote and establish the Daisy Rock brand back in 2001 because she was in Hollywood where I started Daisy Rock Guitars and a huge influence on my playing in the ‘80s. I respectfully sought her opinion and guidance in the beginning of ideas and passions for women in music. Share has never been one to complain... she was always the one trying to help find the answer, the future. She is and always will be a guiding light for women in music."

Check out Share Ross's interview for Ultimate Guitar below.

UG: You played bass for big bands, ‘70s pop star Helen Reddy, The Coasters, the Drifters, Vixen, Contraband with Michael Schenker, Gary Myrick's Havana 3 AM and then the British band, The Dogs D'Amour. You also played guitar and sang for Bubble. What were the differences in those groups?

Share Ross: In my early days I was a jazz bass player so that was the big band stuff. Helen Reddy, The Coasters, and The Drifters were all session gigs. I was a hired gun. I was Helen's touring bass player for a few years when I first moved to Los Angeles. That was a great gig! But after a while, I realized I wanted to be part of a band. The music that influenced me when I grew up was all bands! So finally, I hooked up with Vixen and we were signed to EMI. We were very fortunate to have the success we had and tour the globe in style. I loved every minute of it.

As for Contraband with Michael, Tracii and Blotzer... that was not really a band but more of a project. We never actually played a 'live' gig together. But it was cool to record those songs and Michael and I had some wicked jams together. Havana 3 am was the band that pulled me out of a dark depression after Vixen ended. Gary's musical direction let me get very creative on bass and I had a blast playing with him. As for the Dogs D'Amour... my husband, Bam was their drummer and their original bassist did not want to do the album or tour so I was asked. I was honored as I was a fan first. We lived on a bus together and toured Europe. No hotel rooms. Just showers in the arenas. It was sexy, dirty, and very rock n roll. Playing Wembley Arena opening for Alice Cooper was a highlight of that tour.

Bubble was the band I cowrote all the songs and co-produced all the albums with Bam so it was a very different experience to everything else. Of course, being the singer and guitarist was a new situation for me too! Lots of van tours, sleeping on couches, it was all DIY.

A lot of bass players played guitar first. Were you a guitarist turned bassist?

I am a pianist turned bassist. I think there is a difference in how you approach the instrument. I had a piano player's head and had always tuned into the left hand on the piano so it was a natural transition. I have heard a lot of guitarists who can play bass very well but they approach it very 'guitar like.' It has to do with rhythms and playing in the spaces. Nowadays, I'm probably a guitarist who plays guitar like a bass.

What basses did you play in Vixen? How about now?

In Vixen, I played a lot of Ibanez basses. I had grown up with Gibsons, Fenders and Musicman basses. But I got one of those sleek Ibanez basses and I just dug it. I could wield that thing. Now I have a very limited collection of just my fave basses. A vintage ‘63 Fender Precision, a custom reissue ‘65 Fender Precision, the #003 Jaco Pastorius fretless bass, and a couple of wicked sparkly Daisy Rock basses.

"I do Not think school is important for musicians. The only thing that will make you a better player is your own passion and style."

Who was your biggest influence as a bassist?

That would definitely be Jaco Pastorius. I discovered him when I was 17 and it was all over for me. I sold the Rickenbacker I had (wish I still had that!) and got myself a fretless bass. I learned his solo album as best I could and just wanted to 'be' Jaco. The man was a musical genius.

But John Paul Jones was also a mega influence for me. I also made it a practice to learn jazz solos on bass even though they were played by a different instrument. So I figured out loads of musical pieces by Miles Davis, Sarah Vaughan, John Coltrane and Jimi Hendrix. After my extreme jazz period, I got really into Sting and the Police and that was when I learned about singing and playing bass at the same time. Thanks, Sting!

Are you a fingers player or pick player on bass?

I was always strictly a fingers player and would pit myself up against anyone who used a pick. I could lay down 8th notes that sounded tough and very loud and very pronounced. But in the last few years, I got into using a pick when it's necessary. There are just some styles of music where a pick is required.

You went to Berklee College of Music and you were an instructor at the Bass Institute of Technology in Hollywood. Do you think school is important for musicians?

I do Not think school is important for musicians. However, you need a method to communicate and that method has to be some sort of shared language. If I say the song is in ‘A’ and goes to the IV chord and back again and has a flatted VII chord in the bridge, it helps if we both know what that means. It helps a player tremendously to know about the relationships of the notes and chords to each other. Sort of like... learn the rules so you can break the rules. Is school necessary? Hell no. Can it help? Yes. Can it hurt? Yes if you think it will make you a better player. The only thing that will make you a better player is your own passion and style.

I do have to add though that Berklee was wonderful and it was my first immersion around other musicians. There is nothing quite like being surrounded by like minded people to push you higher than you would push yourself. As for BIT, that place is unusual. Being in Hollywood, it has a reputation for getting a lot of students whose parents can afford the tuition and just want the kid gone for a while. Like anything in life, you will get out of it what you put into it. If you think school is going to make you a 'rockstar,' think again. But you might meet your future bandmates there.

What made you start playing bass in the first place?

My mom and her side of the family were musicians so I was around jam sessions all the time. As for bass, my mom played piano and for a little while she got into playing stand up bass and was always laying down the walking bass lines. That sound just clicked for me. Along with the fact that I wanted to be in a band like Aerosmith.

Was being a 'chick' a factor that was good or bad for you?

It was never a factor until I moved to LA and joined a band. Until that time, I was just another bass player. The bands I had been in when I grew up in Minnesota never paid any attention to the 'girl' thing. But in LA in the ‘80s, wow, it was a big deal! When I was looking to join a band, I would call ads from the back of Music Connection and guys would answer the phone and just start laughing when they found out that I was the person who wanted to audition for them! It was pretty hilarious and disappointing at the same time. But that was really about it. It was always a bigger deal to other people than it was to me.

In my book, either you're a player or you ain't.

You won Best Female Guitarist in Los Angeles two years in a row. How was that?

That was incredibly surprising. I played guitar out of necessity to get our music out there in Bubble, the band my husband, Bam and I started. So I forced myself to learn it. The only way I could tackle it and get the songs rolling quickly was to cheat. I tune the guitar to a 5 string open ‘G’ tuning. Of course, it makes it tough if someone wants me to 'sit in!' lol

Who influenced you as a guitarist?

Playing a Les Paul... I lean towards a certain sound. Jimmy Page, Keith Richards, Mick Ronson and Gary Moore are the biggest influences. But I'd be remiss if I left out Chuck Berry. Chuck gave me my bag of tricks. I learned a lot of interesting chord ideas from Page, vibrato from Mick Ronson, sustain from Gary Moore (I think he used 15 gauge strings?) and cool rock n roll attitude from Keith.

"We lived on a bus together and toured Europe. No hotel rooms. Just showers in the arenas. It was sexy, dirty, and very rock n roll."

You also won the John Lennon Songwriting Contest Song of the Year with your band, Bubble. Tell us about that experience. Any songwriting tips?

That was a huge honor. Probably the biggest honor of my life. They flew us out to the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame and presented us with one of those enormous checks and we played a gig at the Hall of Fame. It was absolutely brilliant!

As for tips, I think the best way to learn to write songs is to simply do it. A LOT. Write a lot of songs. Listen to a lot of songs and analyze where your favorite songs go musically. But ultimately, songwriting is a mysterious process. You just gotta find your own process and stick with it.

Are you still performing and writing with Bubble?

No, Bam and I hung up the Bubble mantle. After 3 albums, 3 ep's and several UK tours, Japan tours and American tours, we had to call it a day. We still write and record music in our studio but it's leaning in a different direction.

Where are you heading musically these days?

The name we go under now is Lovestains and it's a little more funky, soul, lo-fi, bluesy type sound. But who knows? I am a big believer in never say never. So Bubble could re-emerge at some point.

What else are you up to?

I got into public speaking in the last couple of years. I give speeches about how to follow your dream and make it a reality. My core message is about living your life to the fullest and making every moment count. Anyone who is interested can read more here.

If you had one piece of advice for a young musician, what would it be?

First is the musical side... practice every day, find out who your heroes listened to and study them and definitely play along with a metronome. But there is also an emotional side because like any type of artistic endeavor there will be rejection and disappointment. You've got to completely believe in yourself. Surround yourself with supportive friends and get out there to make it happen. The music biz is a people biz so the more people you meet, the better your chances will be. When you show up more often, opportunities will appear.

Check out Share Ross Facebook profile and a YouTube video with a live bass solo in Vixen below:

POSTED: 08/17/2011 - 11:01 am
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saint_berzerker :
Lovestains? No.
POSTED: 08/17/2011 - 11:26 am / quote |
guitaristren :
It reminds of the article written by some naive high schooler saying college was unnecessary.
POSTED: 08/17/2011 - 11:47 am / quote |
PsiGuy60 :
The title quote shouldn't have been taken out of its context.
POSTED: 08/17/2011 - 12:09 pm / quote |
bustapr :
title is soooo misleading.I was ready to troll on her for telling kids school isnt important. UG work on your titles plz. I see her point, its obvious that music school isnt really important for musicians , but it also helps alot more to know what notes will sound good together beforehand rather than playing a bunch of random notes to see what sounds good.
POSTED: 08/17/2011 - 12:23 pm / quote |
Ibeanez :
Of course music school isn't important if you're going to play in Vixen.
POSTED: 08/17/2011 - 01:02 pm / quote |
X-Vision :
I think they just choose those random quotes to get you interested in reading the article. :/
POSTED: 08/17/2011 - 01:10 pm / quote |
lespaul1963 :
I agree that formal post-high school education is optional...however, being educated is not. Some folks have the intellectual chops, drive and talent to succeed regardless if they have a formal college education or not.

One's own study of the classics in literature, music and politics can get a person there, providing that person is reasonably intelligent, self-motivated/disciplined and can read on a 12th grade level. I have a post-grad college education (necessary for my non-musical profession) and learned a long time ago that I can read Voltaire or Von Mises, listen to Bach or study the un-redacted history of the civil war without someone at the front of a lecture hall telling mean what it means or what I should think. Those kinds of influences bleed over into my music and the lyrics I write for it.

With regards to music, she's right that you have to speak the language, but an MI or Berklee education is really icing on the cake and no more. I've played guitar for 30 years and paid for some private lessons in the first ten so as to be able to speak the language and be able to read and write the language. I play bass, keys, mandolin and harmonica. No institutional music education. Music is an expression of the heart and mind. Technique is important, but one does not need an institutional education to develop it. With the internet, all the necessary resources are available for a whole lot less than a college tuition.

POSTED: 08/17/2011 - 02:00 pm / quote |
Wing00 :
Only an idiot would tell people not to go get an education. There's no guarantee's in the music business, it's common sense to have something to fall back on.
POSTED: 08/17/2011 - 02:32 pm / quote |
ragzy02 :
@Wing00. They are talking about music school here, not formal education. She is saying that it is non-essential to obtain a degree from a college of music in order to "make it big" or be a "rockstar." @Everyone. Random thought of the day: I am soooo sick of everyone thinking that just because they can play an instrument or sing, that they are awesome and should try to "make it big." Most musicians that I know need to attend a college for humility because they have NONE. I mean, I write my own music and record in my home studio, but I don't promote my music. I'm about to finish my Accounting degree, and get a "real job." lol
POSTED: 08/17/2011 - 02:59 pm / quote |
Masterofpirates :
Man that picture is hot.
POSTED: 08/17/2011 - 03:20 pm / quote |
DanteJayG :
ragzy02 wrote:

@Wing00. They are talking about music school here, not formal education. She is saying that it is non-essential to obtain a degree from a college of music in order to "make it big" or be a "rockstar." @Everyone. Random thought of the day: I am soooo sick of everyone thinking that just because they can play an instrument or sing, that they are awesome and should try to "make it big." Most musicians that I know need to attend a college for humility because they have NONE. I mean, I write my own music and record in my home studio, but I don't promote my music. I'm about to finish my Accounting degree, and get a "real job." lol

Truth.

POSTED: 08/17/2011 - 06:14 pm / quote |
dankhus :
Wing00 wrote:

Only an idiot would tell people not to go get an education. There's no guarantee's in the music business, it's common sense to have something to fall back on.


Well I guess education didn't really work for you and the others who posted without reading the actual interview. She's right and seems to know what she's talking about, good article except for the title.

POSTED: 08/17/2011 - 06:20 pm / quote |
Appetite_4_GNR :
Vixen had some pretty awesome songs. The original singer was Fkng amazing.
POSTED: 08/17/2011 - 10:07 pm / quote |
homebrew1709 :
PsiGuy60 wrote:

The title quote shouldn't have been taken out of its context.


Agreed! Pretty sleazy of UG if you ask me...

POSTED: 08/17/2011 - 10:08 pm / quote |
Jawlytomtom :
School is gay
POSTED: 08/17/2011 - 10:31 pm / quote |
guitarplaya070 :
homebrew1709 wrote:

PsiGuy60 wrote:

The title quote shouldn't have been taken out of its context.

Agreed! Pretty sleazy of UG if you ask me...

POSTED: 08/17/2011 - 11:39 pm / quote |
shreddymcshred :
8th notes, sweet.
POSTED: 08/18/2011 - 01:03 am / quote |
shreddymcshred :
And as far as school goes, the uninitiated will never know how beneficial it really is.
POSTED: 08/18/2011 - 01:04 am / quote |
sonicx2218 :
College is important to have under your belt, but it obv won't help with music. If you are talented, market your abilities, if you aren't, do what everyone else does
POSTED: 08/18/2011 - 04:01 am / quote |
SoA_Joseph :
Hey; you should fire the guy that comes up with this piss-poor titles.
POSTED: 08/18/2011 - 05:18 am / quote |
SoA_Joseph :
these*
POSTED: 08/18/2011 - 05:19 am / quote |
JimDawson :
You know, I don't have a problem with anyone trying to inspire others, but I find the whole philosophy of "Daisy Rock Girl Guitars" kind of backwards. I wasn't around in the 80's, but this whole idea of specifically promoting "ideas and passions for women in music" seems like trying to fix a problem that isn't there.

I'm a dude so I realize that I am not really in the best position to 'tell it like it is', but seriously. If you are living in a first world country nowadays does anyone really care about what gender their favorite musician is? Does it really affect how competant someone thinks they are? I listen to a death metal band Arch Enemy; they have a woman, Angela Gossow, doing vocals. I think she is one of the best in the business. When I discovered that she was actually a woman (oh death metal... lol) my reaction was: "Oh, really? That's interesting." I just don't think it's a big deal. Sure, metal/rock is pretty much always a sausage fest with a few exceptions but that is because the kind of energy it has just doesn't happen to attract many female fans. It's just cultural and behavioural differenes, I don't see anyone being discriminated against in the music industry. How many female pop stars are there? I am pretty sure they outnumber men, but I don't have a problem with that because it doesn't really matter and pop music isn't even my thing. If you ask me, women are doing just fine in the music industry. Good- for all of us.

What I do have a problem with (and this is directed toward society in general, not anything to do with Daisy Rock Guitars or Share Ross) is that our culture has really stupid ideas and expectations of women that- from what I have seen- weakens them and makes it quite difficult for most women to stand up for themselves, stop kidding themselves and get the most out of their lives. I have a huge problem with women who refuse to use their heads. I don't believe that women are inherently inferior, I just think that society as a whole needs to grow up and women need to put FAR MORE effort into 'filling their shoes' in a world where women now actually have equal rights (well, most places anyway). There is SO MUCH untapped potential in the female population that I find it sickening. Many women rely on men WAY too much in this world, and I think men don't listen to or take women seriously enough because of this. You can't have your cake and eat it too, and I believe that with time more and more women will come to realize this. This whole equality thing is really new for our current civilization, it's bound to take a bit of time to work out all the bugs. Flame me all you want, and I honestly wish all the ladies the best, but I believe this is the truth.

In the end, the point I am trying to make is that Daisy Rock seems to be kind of frivolous in my opinion. They have good intentions, but I think the problem is that this sort of "inspirational" message has a bit of an undertone of "Yeah, women don't do a whole lot so this is definitely a big deal!". It's like all those times you hear something like "Oh, So-And-So was the first woman to _____" Maybe I'm just different, but statements like this seem to do more harm than good. It's like pointing out a certain group of people and saying that it is "their" achievement rather than "our" achievement as human civilization and I find it prejudiced in a rather hypocritical way. We're all part of the same community, believe it or not what one does has an effect on all of us somehow. People need to realize this and stop segregating themselves. Maybe pointing out things like this is a way of pushing women to be stronger and realize that they can achieve more- and that is exactly what I am pushing for- I just find something fishy about people's methods of doing it. It seems like trying to fight blatant sexism with a more subtle, insidious version of it that sends the same corrupt message in a cuter package. Then again, I am a white male with no money- all of this new-agey equality stuff seems to hit my demographic quite hard I have noticed; maybe this is the price of progress.

Not entirely on topic, I know, but I've said my piece.

POSTED: 08/18/2011 - 05:25 am / quote |
shreddymcshred :
Daisy guitars- Separate but Equal
POSTED: 08/18/2011 - 10:41 am / quote |
SkyValley :
All that talk about Jaco and jazz and going to Bass Institute, then she plays the dumbest most uninspired bass solo I've ever heard. WTF.
POSTED: 08/18/2011 - 01:15 pm / quote |
Steve08 :
She's right in that institutional training for musicians is certainly not necessary... you don't need a degree to play gigs and any knowledge is available through instructional books/DVDs or the internet. Taking lessons from a worthy teacher is just as beneficial, also-- it hardly matters whether they teach at a college or out of it, except the latter is exponentially cheaper.
lespaul1963 wrote:

I agree that formal post-high school education is optional...however, being educated is not. Some folks have the intellectual chops, drive and talent to succeed regardless if they have a formal college education or not.

One's own study of the classics in literature, music and politics can get a person there, providing that person is reasonably intelligent, self-motivated/disciplined and can read on a 12th grade level. I have a post-grad college education (necessary for my non-musical profession) and learned a long time ago that I can read Voltaire or Von Mises, listen to Bach or study the un-redacted history of the civil war without someone at the front of a lecture hall telling mean what it means or what I should think. Those kinds of influences bleed over into my music and the lyrics I write for it.

With regards to music, she's right that you have to speak the language, but an MI or Berklee education is really icing on the cake and no more. I've played guitar for 30 years and paid for some private lessons in the first ten so as to be able to speak the language and be able to read and write the language. I play bass, keys, mandolin and harmonica. No institutional music education. Music is an expression of the heart and mind. Technique is important, but one does not need an institutional education to develop it. With the internet, all the necessary resources are available for a whole lot less than a college tuition.
FANTASTIC comment, I couldn't agree more.

POSTED: 08/18/2011 - 03:23 pm / quote |
tonello :
That bass solo was something that I wrote 12 seconds after buying a bass. What a dumb bimbo.
POSTED: 08/18/2011 - 11:12 pm / quote |
al_rb :
Ok for all those who say school isn't important to any musician, I'm sorry to say you are stifling your growth as an artist. Yes by all means passion, drive and a love for the art are crucial to truly explore it. However success in the industry and as an artist are two different things. Sure you can be world famous with a few interesting licks and amazing creativity but after a certain point you can only get so far on that alone. I believe that any musician who really respects themselves and art in general will seek after any means of furthering their understanding of it. Whether it be through a college, university, private academy, or even online tutorials, any type of schooling should be seen as essencial to any musician who has that "passion and style".
POSTED: 08/19/2011 - 01:15 am / quote |
Mekkeh :
I look at the interview and I look at the title and I do not see how that is even a remotely valid title?
POSTED: 08/19/2011 - 04:10 am / quote |
 
 m 
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I seriously wish UG wouldn't run these interviews that are essentially nothing but Daisy Rock advertisements. Yes, I know UG gets money for running these and they are important for keeping the site up, I just wish they would try to get a deal with a guitar company that does not blatantly promote sexism in the form of "we're girl guitars! For girls who rock!", regardless of their level of talent.

Checked.

POSTED: 08/19/2011 - 05:16 am / quote |
Randomrings :
 CoreysMonster  wrote:

I seriously wish UG wouldn't run these interviews that are essentially nothing but Daisy Rock advertisements. Yes, I know UG gets money for running these and they are important for keeping the site up, I just wish they would try to get a deal with a guitar company that does not blatantly promote sexism in the form of "we're girl guitars! For girls who rock!", regardless of their level of talent.

Checked.


Agreed. Orianthi's great and last time I checked she doesn't use Daisy Rock. I'm all for female musicians of course, but yes, it should be on their talent and passion for what they're doing and how the music makes you feel, not your genitals.

That aside, this woman needs to talk to my parents so I don't have to go to college anymore

POSTED: 08/20/2011 - 08:39 pm / quote |
BassRow :
Having taught myself how to play bass, guitar and drums with very little institutionalized education in technique, I can see where she's coming from. But then again I have studied the Theory of Music, which has helped me immensely.In the end I believe possibly the best tertiary education a musician can get if he/she wants to "make it big" is in marketing, learning how to market yourself and your music to the industry successfully. And of course it's something to fall back on if you don't make it.

On JimDawson's comment: That's all well and good in a first world country such as the USA or Western Europe, but the majority of the world, such as myself, don't live in first world countries. And in so called third world countries, or developing countries, how ever you want to see it, gender-related abuse and gender-related discrimination is rife, and therefore when there are major accomplishments in eliminating that, it's a big deal. Yes, it does seem unnecessary to have a guitar brand for girls, as music should be one universal thing we can all relate to with out discrimination, but similar ideas are necessary. Such as here in South Africa, we have the "Women of the Year Awards" which to an extent is patronizing, but also helps promote women's achievements to correct the male domination in our society and to encourage women's developments in our country.

POSTED: 08/21/2011 - 03:57 am / quote |
JimDawson :
BassRow wrote:

Having taught myself how to play bass, guitar and drums with very little institutionalized education in technique, I can see where she's coming from. But then again I have studied the Theory of Music, which has helped me immensely.In the end I believe possibly the best tertiary education a musician can get if he/she wants to "make it big" is in marketing, learning how to market yourself and your music to the industry successfully. And of course it's something to fall back on if you don't make it.

On JimDawson's comment: That's all well and good in a first world country such as the USA or Western Europe, but the majority of the world, such as myself, don't live in first world countries. And in so called third world countries, or developing countries, how ever you want to see it, gender-related abuse and gender-related discrimination is rife, and therefore when there are major accomplishments in eliminating that, it's a big deal. Yes, it does seem unnecessary to have a guitar brand for girls, as music should be one universal thing we can all relate to with out discrimination, but similar ideas are necessary. Such as here in South Africa, we have the "Women of the Year Awards" which to an extent is patronizing, but also helps promote women's achievements to correct the male domination in our society and to encourage women's developments in our country.


Yeah... makes sense, and I get that... I don't know, I just don't live around people who take discrimination seriously, so I guess this just seems weird for me. Especially how it is a guitar company, but I guess it is a fresher approach than another Women's Lib group (not that I have a problem with sensible, actually egalitarian ones- just saying). Come to think of it, rock 'n' roll is more of a liberal thing and I could see how that would be more of what you would want women to be into nowadays. You know, the more "Together we can change the world!" mentality.

You have a good point, but seeing as how Daisy Rock is 100% American and going back years I've just gotten... weird vibes from that company, it just seems like someone who happened to be a woman who liked guitars made a company to make money off of the "women's lib" deal. I could be completely wrong, and I'll admit that I really have no idea about the founder's true motivations, but I just get that strange vibe from them and I can't really put my finger on what it is. Just seems fishy to me; reading this article and seeing how much of an ad it really is with all the [somewhat] subtle product placement only reinforces this view.

Besides, South Africa's "Women of the Year Awards" sounds like a far better means of promoting equality where it is needed to me. Just saying.

POSTED: 08/21/2011 - 04:49 am / quote |
ds24601 :
Never heard of her before this interview but I can't help but notice she says that she's different in that she bases (pun not intended) her playing style off left-hand piano playing rather than guitar playing, yet the video of her bass solo shows her doing pretty much that--apart from playing with her fingers (yes, classical guitarists do it, but I figured she was referring to contemporary guitarists) and slapping here and there, she's pretty much treating the instrument as if it were a guitar with her tapping and even STRUMMING. Hell, that bluesy thing she did sounds like it was even written on a guitar and is just being played on a bass. Not that it doesn't sound cool and I understand her point about the left-hand's function in piano playing relating to the bass's function in a song rather than it being a variant of the guitar but that's certainly not how she's playing it.
POSTED: 11/12/2011 - 11:32 pm / quote |
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