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Getting Around The Fretboard: Busting Out Of The Scale Box

author: PaulKleff date: 08/19/2009 category: guitar techniques
rating: 8.4 / votes: 25 
POSTED: 08/19/2009 - 07:33 am
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 comments posted
FretboardToAsh :
Seems good I guess, but it's really short. And there's tons of these already.
POSTED: 08/19/2009 - 08:14 am / quote |
Paul Tauterouff :
Short and sweet. I like to repeat licks in multiple octaves like this and memorizing the root notes is the "key" to that. (Pun intended.)
POSTED: 08/19/2009 - 10:52 am / quote |
Dayman :
This is something I have a touch of trouble with, and this didn't really help. Too example-y, not really explaining it well.
POSTED: 08/19/2009 - 11:54 am / quote |
DasFishy :
Quick question: That looks like an A minor scale, which I always thought was in the key of C. Aren't modes considered to be in the key of the major scale they share notes with?

I might be wrong, so please feel free to clear that up.

POSTED: 08/19/2009 - 12:01 pm / quote |
Illuminated :
Okay article, certainly helps those who don't understand the basic concepts of key and whatnot, but there are already many articles about this. Too little too late, in my opinion. Decent start, but this needs to be expanded.
POSTED: 08/19/2009 - 01:14 pm / quote |
BrandNewSin17 :
DasFishys right. That first runs technically key of C. Am. but oh well.
POSTED: 08/19/2009 - 01:15 pm / quote |
Ribcage :
DasFishy, you're right about modes being part of the major key, but when you're talking about any minor key, people will generally say _ minor, instead of going up 3 half-steps and saying that major. Plus this isn't modal, as it's the relative minor as opposed to Aeolian mode. Although really, same diff.

Its just a sort of cheat that musicians use to say things faster.

POSTED: 08/19/2009 - 01:49 pm / quote |
vIsIbleNoIsE :
BrandNewSin17 wrote:

DasFishys right. That first runs technically key of C. Am. but oh well.


modes don't have to run off of the major scale, does it? the example could have been in A minor, ionian?

POSTED: 08/19/2009 - 01:53 pm / quote |
TatarSalad2 :
vIsIbleNoIsE wrote:

BrandNewSin17 wrote:

DasFishys right. That first runs technically key of C. Am. but oh well.

modes don't have to run off of the major scale, does it? the example could have been in A minor, ionian?


You couldn't have A minor Ionian, because natural minor is actually Aeolian. So really it would be A Aeolian. It all depends on where they start, what notes are being played behind it, and what notes you keep going back to.

Yes, C Major (Ionian) contains the same notes as A Minor (Aeolian.)They are the relative major and minor to each other. This is in A Minor though, because you start off on an A, and end on an A.

If you used the same notes, but started on an E (which is three notes from C), all of a sudden this would become E Phrygian, which is the third mode. If yoou started on a D, it would become D Dorian. Etc, etc, etc.

POSTED: 08/19/2009 - 07:22 pm / quote |
 
 m 
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Or it could have been in one of the established minor keys and not been modal at all.
POSTED: 08/19/2009 - 10:32 pm / quote |
ldnovelo :
This lick is on the kay of A. As long as he doesnt change the root note of the scales he is using, thius wont change. The array of notes used doesnt determine the key, it determines what scale/mode is being used. If he threw an F# and a C on there, he wouldnt be suddenly playing in the key of G; he is playing in the key of A, using the A Locrian mode (7th mode).
POSTED: 08/20/2009 - 05:51 pm / quote |
ldnovelo :
Oh no!! I'm kinda wrong XD. The lick is on the key of A, using the A aeolian mode. If he used F# and C natural on some part of the lick, the key wouldnt change to G, but the mode would change to Dorian
POSTED: 08/20/2009 - 06:03 pm / quote |
sammo_boi :
this is a great article although it seems the same as Paul Gilbert's lesson a couple of months back in Guitar World.
POSTED: 08/21/2009 - 12:24 am / quote |
ProjectileQuiet :
It's ridiculous, but for some reason I never thought of this! I've been messing with modes and all sorts of scale boxes, but this definitely frees up the fretboard a bit more! Thanks!!
POSTED: 08/24/2009 - 03:00 am / quote |
descending13 :
Finally I get it I don't know if it's because I've been reading a million different articles and it just clicked. But I think it was how simple it was explained in this one! Great Job!
POSTED: 09/13/2009 - 06:11 pm / quote |
racman92 :
This was a little short, but I had been having a little trouble with this and this has given me a nice starting point. Very good, thanks!
POSTED: 09/16/2009 - 08:24 am / quote |
GuitarGetsMeSex :
that was such a bad lesson

Don't you people get sick of writing that? seriously that was good. I have that problam, I can sit there and improvise for hours on end, but i never move up or down the fretboard. Thanks

POSTED: 09/24/2009 - 01:13 am / quote |
esp 4 life :
but you didn't explain how to devise those patterns that are relating to the key, is it just a hit and miss to what notes to play or do you just have to know every single note in a scale to match the notes
POSTED: 09/28/2009 - 08:02 am / quote |
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