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Metalcore Music. Part 2 - Harmony

author: xASxIxLAYx date: 09/22/2006 category: music styles
rating: 7.9 / votes: 36 
POSTED: 09/22/2006 - 04:36 am
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xIxKilledxKenny :
awesome this is the only theory lesson i've actually understood all of.

bat country tab is a bit weird though

POSTED: 09/22/2006 - 07:32 pm / quote |
jazkel24 :
This is assuming that you only want to harmonize in major intervals? If you want to harmonize a major third, by all means, use a C and an E, but if you want to play music that isn't all happy sounding, you should use minor/diminished/augmented intervals as well. Good lesson, but i would suggest you post a part 3 with more theory.
POSTED: 09/22/2006 - 11:04 pm / quote |
ThisFireBurns22 :
Not to be a dick or anything, but I'm pretty sure the Rose Of Sharyn example, isn't a harmony. Those are the same notes, just an octave apart...But good lesson otherwise
POSTED: 09/24/2006 - 07:14 pm / quote |
aramsahai :
Thank you for this article.

I really didn't understand how this:
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|-----7---5---3---5-||
|-5-5---5---5---5---||

... became the 3rd of this:

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|-----3---2---0---2-||
|-1-1---1---1---1---||

What makes it a 3rd? You provided diagrams and provided two tabs harmonized i 3rds but you didn't explain how they became 3rds.

Could you please explain a little more? Thanks,

POSTED: 10/05/2006 - 01:37 pm / quote |
Sykonatiac :
Thanks! I've been trying to learn to harmonize, but its been mostly trial and error to find the notes I want. Your rules will help me conquer the world! MUWHAHAHAHAHA!!!

lol, ahemm, anyways thanks.

POSTED: 10/08/2006 - 06:55 pm / quote |
gmikey222 :
yea, in rose of sharyn, that part was played in true harmony i think, not an octave higher.
but thx, great stuff=)

POSTED: 10/09/2006 - 10:14 pm / quote |
FromTheAsh :
aramsahai

Harmony kicks ass!!!!
look up some Children of Bodom they do alot
and also....the 557,55,53,55 thing is played in unison w the 113,,,,, thing

POSTED: 10/12/2006 - 12:48 am / quote |
bassplayer_87 :
In "Rose of Sharyn" harmonized part, there are no harmony, they are the same notes.not even an octave apart. except the open strings wich is harmonized 4th and the two last power chords wich is octave. dont want to critisize cause it's a very good lesson for beginners.
POSTED: 10/24/2006 - 02:20 pm / quote |
Les__Paul__630* :
nice, "Rose Of Sharyn" is a killer song, harmony's are totally awesome, more people should listen to Trivium if they wanna hear some more.
POSTED: 11/05/2006 - 11:11 am / quote |
sicfreak91 :
**** yes from metalcore
POSTED: 11/18/2006 - 05:47 pm / quote |
babak869 :
Babak
I'm Wondeerfull because excelent site
Be Fun !!
www.Delphi-Magic.com

POSTED: 11/29/2006 - 02:57 am / quote |
davidstadnyk :
a good example of harmony would be the intro to "hand of blood by bullet for my valentine". it's exactly what the guy is trying to teach in this lesson, and props to the lesson too
POSTED: 12/02/2006 - 09:00 pm / quote |
justine0393 :
aramsahai wrote:

Thank you for this article.

I really didn't understand how this:
|-----||
|-----||
|-----||
|-----||
|-----7---5---3---5-||
|-5-5---5---5---5---||

... became the 3rd of this:

|-----||
|-----||
|-----||
|-----||
|-----3---2---0---2-||
|-1-1---1---1---1---||

What makes it a 3rd? You provided diagrams and provided two tabs harmonized i 3rds but you didn't explain how they became 3rds.

Could you please explain a little more? Thanks,


because if you raise the not
davidstadnyk wrote:

a good example of harmony would be the intro to "hand of blood by bullet for my valentine". it's exactly what the guy is trying to teach in this lesson, and props to the lesson too

yeahp.....BFMV ROCKS!

POSTED: 12/20/2006 - 08:55 pm / quote |
Thiiknot :
what about notes like C#
POSTED: 12/24/2006 - 01:37 am / quote |
Thiiknot :
other thing.. would it sound strange if I mix harmonizations in a song? For example make things like harmonize a riff in 3rd and then the next one in 8th
POSTED: 12/24/2006 - 01:44 am / quote |
SLIP(SIC)KNOT :
bassplayer_87 wrote:

In "Rose of Sharyn" harmonized part, there are no harmony, they are the same notes.not even an octave apart. except the open strings wich is harmonized 4th and the two last power chords wich is octave. dont want to critisize cause it's a very good lesson for beginners.


exactly^^

POSTED: 12/28/2006 - 11:03 pm / quote |
bassplayer_87 :
does anyone of you know how to harmonize the blues scale?? you cant just take the 3rd note from the note youre playing in the scale and it becomes harmony in 3rd. please help.
POSTED: 01/05/2007 - 06:08 am / quote |
Trudenter :
deadly a lot better then the first one i think
what about notes like C#

correct me if im wrong but if you move up half a step then you simply move the harmony up half a step
for example the fourth for a C# would be an F#. But I think for this lesson it is better not to think of music as notes but rather as 12 blocks (13th block would be the octave). 4 of those blocks are majors and 3 are perfects (the octave is also considered a perfect). The others can be either minor diminished Minor or Augmented. This probably sounds really stupid and confusing but these are really the building blocks of music theory.

BFMV uses harmony really well in some of there songs.

POSTED: 01/11/2007 - 01:02 am / quote |
SlipKnoT_M4660T :
nice this really helps
POSTED: 01/17/2007 - 06:32 pm / quote |
Shicaka :
I love music theory because not alot of people no about it so there something u can out smart ppl in lol
POSTED: 02/08/2007 - 07:06 pm / quote |
brandenetc :
Dude this was great, for a n00b like me, i understood it all! and this is a first from alot of lessons i read on here, again thanks so much
POSTED: 02/12/2007 - 06:36 am / quote |
xavierxx2 :
i cant understand...can you guyz explain it clearly??? ...how can i make my own harmony lead?? ....and explain this to me...

2nds

C D E F G A B C
D E F G A B C D

3rds

C D E F G A B C
E F G A B C D E

4ths

C D E F G A B C
F G A B C D E F

5th

C D E F G A B C
G A B C D E F G

6th

C D E F G A B C
A B C D E F G A

7th

C D E F G A B C
B C D E F G A B

8th

POSTED: 02/13/2007 - 07:30 pm / quote |
xavierxx2 :
2nds

C D E F G A B C
D E F G A B C D

3rds

C D E F G A B C
E F G A B C D E

4ths

C D E F G A B C
F G A B C D E F

5th

C D E F G A B C
G A B C D E F G

6th

C D E F G A B C
A B C D E F G A

7th

C D E F G A B C
B C D E F G A B

8th

POSTED: 02/13/2007 - 07:31 pm / quote |
Nuckinfutz :
it was really confusing but other than that awesome
POSTED: 02/17/2007 - 05:14 pm / quote |
bassplayer_87 :
xavierxx2: The upper notes are the main notes in the melody you are playing. the notes under is the notes the second guitar is supposed to play. if first guitar plays: A B C B A B, then the second guitar plays: C D E D C D. then the melody is harmonized in 3rd
POSTED: 02/27/2007 - 03:20 pm / quote |
xavierxx2 :
bassplayer_87: but how to know if it is in 3rds/4ths/5ths/6ths/7ths??

can explain it deeper?? please make a tab....so i can understand it...thank you very much!! god blezz

POSTED: 03/03/2007 - 11:46 pm / quote |
xavierxx2 :
and wat are those A B C B A B(First guitar) C D E D C D(Second Guitar)....is that the tunning of the guitar??? thx!
POSTED: 03/03/2007 - 11:48 pm / quote |
shibby013 :
thats amazing...tts been a great help..thanks
POSTED: 03/04/2007 - 12:36 pm / quote |
bassplayer_87 :
xavierxx2 :
I never made a tab on a computer before so it would be difficult for me. when i wrote a b c b a b, i meant its the notes they are playing on one string. if you play an A (the note) and another guitarist plays C at the same time.... then you play a B and he plays a D at the same time. then you are playing in harmony. (3rd harmony)
if you look at what the "teacher" wrote:
3rds

C D E F G A B C
E F G A B C D E

CDEFGABC is the notes that you are playing.
the notes below is what your friend in your band are playing along with you. if you play C, he plays E. if you play D he plays F. So if you play a note on the first line, he has to play the note right under.

I use 3rds as an example because it sounds amazing. hope you understand. harmonies are wonderfull to listen to

POSTED: 03/11/2007 - 01:56 pm / quote |
RoKeT :
I must say this is an excellent Lesson. I Dont Know anything about theory or playing guitar but i understood mostly everything except for this.
but how to know if it is in 3rds/4ths/5ths/6ths/7ths??


Does the 3rd, 4th etc. reffer to fret numbers or something different?

Is it as simple as moving the notes for guitar 2, 1 less space to the left than the number of the harmony.

Example:
C D E F G A B C The First
C D E F G A B C

C D E F G A B C The Second
D E F G A B C D This Line has moved one space to the left. So If this is Second all the notes on the bottom have moved one space to the left. So the third would be two spaces to the left and so on and so forth untill it corrects itself back at the eighth.

POSTED: 03/14/2007 - 10:43 am / quote |
Emergency? :
does this rule apply for ANY tuning ur playing in?
POSTED: 03/14/2007 - 05:21 pm / quote |
Jawshuwa :
^ It can be modified for any tuning; Drop C and Drop D are generally used in metalcore music, though.
POSTED: 03/18/2007 - 06:24 pm / quote |
flakjacket :
Actually your 3rds are off, the major 3rd of D would be F#, not F, if you are using major intervals. Im sure the rest are off too because the only key in a major scale that has no sharps or flats is C.
POSTED: 03/30/2007 - 12:00 pm / quote |
seokorn :
WHERED YOU GET THE ROSE OF SHAYRN TAB?????
POSTED: 04/15/2007 - 12:07 am / quote |
bpauers :
it seems like a few people are wondering how those are thirds....i have only taken one college level theory class, but you probably know that when counting intervals, you start with your first note (i.e. if you start with an A note, you would count the first note A, second note B, 3rd note C). however, it would only be this way if it was in the key of C. any other key you would have to apply the key signatures, and play the sharps and flats in the appropriate places. i hope this helps some people.
POSTED: 04/18/2007 - 09:59 am / quote |
ClosedCasket :
I liked it. It didn't show much new to me (since I'm already in a Melodeath / Metalcore band) but it was well laid out and helped me with the harmonising when i hit a block. good show!
POSTED: 04/20/2007 - 02:26 pm / quote |
flakjacket :
wtf is melodeath? another new genre of metal?
POSTED: 04/25/2007 - 11:55 am / quote |
STABxYOU :
melodeath = melodic death metal.

Cheese metal like In Flames, Dismember, At The Gates.

POSTED: 05/17/2007 - 02:55 pm / quote |
powerplayer25 :
im gettin tired of all these genres..im just gonna call the rock
POSTED: 06/14/2007 - 03:29 am / quote |
put_it_on_mytab :
you entirely failed to mention when you were switching between major and minor thirds, which threw me off instantly.

aside from that, this is a good article, but you really need to clarify what you're doing there.

POSTED: 08/01/2007 - 09:52 pm / quote |
death_metalhead :
Does anyone out there have a good tutorial on melodic death metal? I mean...haven't really seen anything at all on internet anywhere? Might have to write one myself...just starting to understand the genre...
POSTED: 09/04/2007 - 04:12 pm / quote |
death_metalhead :
Or Gothenburg Metal, if you prefer the more detailed term...
POSTED: 09/04/2007 - 04:12 pm / quote |
cedaguol :
dude you got the kse thing wrong... first what you wrote or typed or whatever is not a harmony... its just the same thing played in other string... no harmonies and no octaves there... the song does have a harmony but u didnt do it well there... search for a tab man :P
POSTED: 12/11/2007 - 07:45 pm / quote |
nickwentinsane :
I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but I think your thirds in your example are off, because it should be f# not f.
POSTED: 12/14/2007 - 10:13 pm / quote |
Back in Red :
Yes!!!!!
POSTED: 02/10/2008 - 03:02 pm / quote |
Kooldood :
How would U harmonize a riff like this?

D F G G# A C A G A C

or

D D D# D D D F D D# D

With the sharp notes?

POSTED: 03/19/2008 - 09:17 am / quote |
EMGs OWN :
Good lesson man. Helped a lot. I would also like to know how to harmonize sharps/flats.
POSTED: 08/14/2008 - 04:22 pm / quote |
Rockguitar01 :
put_it_on_mytab wrote:

you entirely failed to mention when you were switching between major and minor thirds, which threw me off instantly.


Yes it's true. They are minor AND major third, the one u have to choose depend on the tonality center(key) of the song, sometime u have to play a major third, sometime it is a minor third, in fact u just show how to harmonize IN THE KEY OF C MAJOR (no flat-no sharp) if your song is write for exemple in any other key than C, u have to put some sharp and flat to respect the good harmony of the song.

This lesson is really incomplete and will get some people in the wrong way, harmonization is more complexe than that! You should complete the lesson man!

aside from that, this is a good article, but you really need to clarify what you're doing there.

POSTED: 08/17/2008 - 06:51 pm / quote |
aadit :
beginners lesson
in fact not too good
u must write abt intervals, the starter can't calculate the third of say F#

POSTED: 08/29/2008 - 12:51 pm / quote |
acdcone15 :
dude this is wrong. The fith of B isn't F it's F# n00b
POSTED: 09/07/2008 - 12:15 am / quote |
classicromantic :
yeah acdsone has some knowledge


i have studied classical guitar as well as jazz, Venezuelan waltz such as Antonio Lauro and Hector Villa Lobos for 5 years and played for 7
i have studied music theory for 5 as well
I have learned all aspects of bands like Protest the Hero, Tera Melos, The Fallof Troy, Black Dahlia, etc
and this is has to be the worst explanation of that genre and specifics of music theory related to it
go out and take the time everyone and learn music theory and reading, so when you read tabs, you actually know what you're playing, half the bands out there now a days have no idea what they are playing, it saddens most well players as well as writers

www.musictheory.net for starters
if your interested in classical music and other finger picking styles
become best friends with
www.classtab.org
www.youtube.com

POSTED: 10/02/2008 - 09:22 pm / quote |
MadAudioMan :
What intervals should I harmonize with for a darker tone? All the 3rds/5ths sound happy.
POSTED: 10/10/2008 - 08:32 pm / quote |
gstyzzer :
When he talks about harmonizing the notes like that, he's doing it based on the C Major scale. If you want to harmonized based on the Minor Scales, start with the 6th tone of the Major scale as your root note (For C Major it would be A Minor, For G Major it would be E Minor) and follow the same basic principles from there. If you want it to sound really dark, you can try harmonizing in the Diminished/Lorcian scale - the 7th of the major scale. I like to use a lot of flat 5 harmonies, where a lot of the chords I play (no matter what chord is SUPPOSED to be there) I play a diminished chord. It sounds really dark and mixes well with other minor harmonies. A cool trick to try, too, is play with your guitars in different tunings. Have one person play in Standard tuning, and the other in C Standard, that way you're already harmonized in 3rds and don't have to worry about transposing to higher/lower frets.
POSTED: 03/29/2009 - 07:11 pm / quote |
nihilist805 :
nice.....
POSTED: 03/31/2009 - 08:50 am / quote |
Kenyannah :
at least i learnt something new!!!!..but didn't explain how they came to be!!
POSTED: 05/27/2009 - 11:35 am / quote |
XXDevILdRiVErXX :
Thanx for this! ive been trying to figure it out on my own and its ended reali bad, big ups man, peace
POSTED: 07/31/2009 - 02:31 am / quote |
Chase_e82 :
Octaves are still harmonies, its just an 8th step up from your root note and consists of the same notes.

Same notes, however, still a harmony.

POSTED: 09/09/2009 - 11:52 am / quote |
Chase_e82 :
and the killswitch riff is an octave apart.
POSTED: 09/09/2009 - 11:54 am / quote |
Jean_Valjean :
Kooldood wrote:

How would U harmonize a riff like this?

D F G G# A C A G A C

D D D# D D D F D D# D

With the sharp notes?


Do you know your intervals?

Count.

If you want to harmonize in minor thirds count 3 half steps from your original notes

eg D D D# D D D F D D# D - F F F# F F G# F F# F

In major thirds count 4 half steps

POSTED: 10/12/2009 - 11:34 am / quote |
negativcreep187 :
is there any difference between harmonizing sixths and parallel sixths?

i have not been able to find the answer to this and was wondering if you could help me out. an example of parallel sixths would be the riff that occurs about 4 min into "Declaration" by Trivium. if need me to post the riff for you, i can if you give some time.

POSTED: 11/08/2009 - 10:29 pm / quote |
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