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A Systematic Approach To Song Writing

author: Afterhours date: 10/19/2009 category: songwriting & lyrics
rating: 8.2 / votes: 16 
POSTED: 10/19/2009 - 07:10 am
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-tempest- :
interesting article man, pretty straight forward
POSTED: 10/19/2009 - 09:08 am / quote |
BlouPontak :
Mmm. This is very close to the approach I use. I usually only start with an idea of what the song is about (I find lyrics to be INSANELY important in songs) and then decide on the feel of the chords.
POSTED: 10/19/2009 - 03:16 pm / quote |
zakske :
This, I feel, is a great lesson .

I like how you concentrate on the melody, structure and instrumentation more than on the lyrics, as most people do (which isn't necessarily a bad thing off course, I just dislike it that sometimes songs seem to lack in complexity because of a different focus from the start, while there's great potency in them).

POSTED: 10/19/2009 - 03:30 pm / quote |
Lord_Vhailor :
Interesting article, but didn't work on me.

For me, songwriting is what starts at some random point. Really. I usually come up with an idea of lyrics/melody/riffs during my classes, then write it down or try to remember and reproduce it at home, or either come up with an idea while random noodling with my guitar. It's pretty random for me, but that's the way it's... emotional. I've got lots of uncompleted lyrics or riffs/licks, which seems to be uncomfortable, but I can't just sit down and come up with a song developped that way. Each one came to life in some odd way.
And it's best to try to compose with your bandmates, for example. Sometimes a touch from beyond is needed and can do some good.

POSTED: 10/20/2009 - 11:32 am / quote |
Let It Be0o0 :
Great lesson, wrote up a few little bits with this but usually it just comes to me from doing random shit just like the guy above does lol ^^
POSTED: 10/20/2009 - 04:42 pm / quote |
Norphin :
Definitely interesting. I'll try it and see what comes up. My method usually involves first figuring what kind of song and the larger details, then writing the riff, etc. with the rest of the instrumentals at the same time as the lyrics so I can more easily modify them. Though sometimes I do one faster than the other and I just try to fit them together.
POSTED: 10/21/2009 - 05:50 am / quote |
ZzakK :
My band recently tried writing our first song, but we got killed after doing it ALL except getting a lyric order down. Our riff was pretty good but our singer has a kinda high pitched voice so we had to kinda punk it up a bit to make it fit but it didn't work.
Might considering doing it this way instead, see if it comes together better. Thanks

POSTED: 10/21/2009 - 06:32 am / quote |
flezem :
Nice lesson! This is really how it works. Only thing if have to say anything else: use your sharps and flats well in the lesson. I know a F# 'sounds' the same as a Gb, but i'd just put a F# there. And I would replace the A#/Bb with just a Bb. Nice one tho
POSTED: 10/21/2009 - 02:41 pm / quote |
svh02 :
good article but i would like to go deeper in the " The development of a vocal melody" thas what gets me done ....i dont know how to pick a key (thinkin in the vocal range) or if i should use my guitar for writing the vocal melody...some advise would be nice
POSTED: 10/21/2009 - 08:24 pm / quote |
J C :
Good article, however I personally think you're placing too much structure upon the song before you begin. Going in with a pre-conceived idea that there will be solo breaks and the like will make them appear, whether they fit the song properly or not.

I prefer to start with an idea and let it expand. Normally when writing I use a program like Reason or Guitar Pro to write multiple parts over one section, and then develop the parts I like as the song progresses. That way the song evolves in relation to the original idea, rather than a pre-defined outline.

It'll sound wanky, but I like to write for the song rather than myself, if you get what I mean. The best songs I've written are all completed in this organic type of fashion.

POSTED: 10/21/2009 - 10:30 pm / quote |
Afterhours :
svh02 wrote:

good article but i would like to go deeper in the " The development of a vocal melody" thas what gets me done ....i dont know how to pick a key (thinkin in the vocal range) or if i should use my guitar for writing the vocal melody...some advise would be nice


svh02,
Thanks for the feedback. The vocal melody line has two major elements.....pitch and timing. I'm sure you have no problem humming along to a lyrical melody line of a song you're familiar with. One of the things that I do is to listen to a recorded track of the music(the progression)and "hear" different melody lines in my head. Listen to the music, does that melody line flow well? Does it fit the feeling of the music?.....if not, change it.....modify it.

As for picking a key, most of the time, the vocals should be in the same key and scale as the music....unless you want have the vocals to be in a scale mode, such as Lydian,Mixolydian, Aeolian...etc.

If the key is beyond the vocal range of the singer.....just transpose it to another key.

I hope that was helpful.

POSTED: 10/22/2009 - 02:36 am / quote |
Afterhours :
J C wrote:

Good article, however I personally think you're placing too much structure upon the song before you begin. Going in with a pre-conceived idea that there will be solo breaks and the like will make them appear, whether they fit the song properly or not.

I prefer to start with an idea and let it expand. Normally when writing I use a program like Reason or Guitar Pro to write multiple parts over one section, and then develop the parts I like as the song progresses. That way the song evolves in relation to the original idea, rather than a pre-defined outline.

It'll sound wanky, but I like to write for the song rather than myself, if you get what I mean. The best songs I've written are all completed in this organic type of fashion.


Thanks for the feedback. I agree with you about not developing pre-conceived ideas about a song. These steps are not absolute....I should have stated that the fills and solos should be included if appropriate for the song. In my 3rd track, "After All".....there are no solos or fills added. You're correct...it really depends on the song.

I use Sonar's Cakewalk and record tracks of multiple parts.....the lesson was provided a process to develop complete songs. In the past, I've written songs by just messing around with ideas, but what I would end up with....is a note book full of riffs, partial songs, and bits and pieces of material. I'm sure we all have many of those laying around. I've found that this method helped to produce completed songs.

Anyway, I think we're on the same page here.....

POSTED: 10/22/2009 - 03:05 am / quote |
unclebuck5 :
Good article. I'm sure that this approach may not work for everyone, but if your reading the article, you must need guidance. This seems like a good, systematic approach to writing.
POSTED: 11/04/2009 - 12:57 pm / quote |
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