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Rhyme (How Do You?)

author: benjmc date: 07/31/2003 category: songwriting & lyrics
rating: 7.8 / votes: 24 
POSTED: 07/31/2003 - 07:16 am
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 m 
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Excellent Lesson!
POSTED: 09/23/2003 - 03:25 pm / quote |
kryptonite22 :
good lesson, thanx
POSTED: 12/22/2003 - 06:19 am / quote |
John Alexander :
It's a good lesson, I'm just not all for one with a conventional rhyming scheme in the first place. But still good. The kind of writing that facinates me the most is that of Dave Matthews. He tells a story like no one in music. I dare say he may be the best song writer yet. Just READ those lyrics before listening to the song and it's amazing how much more it all means when the music is put to it.
POSTED: 01/06/2004 - 09:54 pm / quote |
scotty79 :
Nice Lesson. So is there any "perfect rhyme" scheme that a lot of the popular songs use, or is it just a crative thing?
POSTED: 02/08/2004 - 05:27 pm / quote |
Guitarkid_123 :
Kick AZZ!
POSTED: 04/01/2004 - 07:48 pm / quote |
Jeffrey Martin :
Did anyone else notice that in the last line of the Jeff Buckley song he actually creates another form of rhyming? see look : "There's a flame on the rise that screams my name" he rhymes "flame" with "name" which creates even MORE flow. maybe it's just me...?
POSTED: 04/02/2004 - 02:05 pm / quote |
Frodobagins32 :
you know I think that what your saying is very correct but I disagree on it sounding idiotic to say the same word twice. Yeah if you said it like 10 times in a row in would be bad but sometimes it sounds nice to say something twice. I think personally that's true but totally thanks man
POSTED: 04/18/2004 - 06:40 pm / quote |
stm :
Good lesson though
POSTED: 07/05/2004 - 01:12 pm / quote |
bobmethod :
M8M8M8 u r a musical genius
POSTED: 07/10/2004 - 11:35 am / quote |
rock_doll101 :
who thought great lyrics, words, poems whatever would be sooo hard to perfect? Thanks for the advice
POSTED: 07/11/2004 - 11:47 pm / quote |
piperm1 :
what do all the aabbcc amd that mean =S
POSTED: 08/17/2004 - 03:42 pm / quote |
frenchie :
LMAOROF...so Roger Waters is an idiot on some kind of drug huh. Lemme ask, how much $$$ did he make with his "crapy" lyrics...and how much did you make "teaching" perfection?

No hurt feelings man but creativity and whatever else is what counts in music. And at the end if it all sounds good then it's good; I don't care if it's built correctly or not.

Other examples: Rammstein and so many. Look at Beck and his Loser song, sounded good but would you dare commenting on the lyrics ;0)

POSTED: 08/26/2004 - 08:13 am / quote |
sergiogt :
Good lesson. i've been learning a lor from your lessons!
POSTED: 11/05/2004 - 08:28 pm / quote |
thehardrocker13 :
awesome man!! it helped point out my mistakes in my songs and poems....thanks man
POSTED: 11/25/2004 - 11:37 pm / quote |
CK1 :
great lesson
POSTED: 12/15/2004 - 10:39 pm / quote |
grimreaper65 :
Also, if you write a lot of lyrics, do yourself a favour and buy a rhyming dictionary.
POSTED: 12/21/2004 - 01:09 am / quote |
me_myself_and_i :
good lesson, i would be careful when dissing floyd though, its sad for you, but also true, floyd is an amazing band, i cant beleive that they could come up with all of that stoned, could you come up with time, will melting into your couch, watching a pig fly into the sky?
POSTED: 12/27/2004 - 01:17 pm / quote |
Vodd :
Hmmm, u were talking about using the same word twice and it sounding idiotic. Now, i dont completely disagree with u, but it doesnt make a song a bad song.
'With the lights out its less dangerous
Here we are now
entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious
Here we are now
entertain us'
Dude, that is repetition but i still like the song.

POSTED: 01/16/2005 - 09:04 am / quote |
SethMegadefan :
Hey, I don't care how Roger Waters wrote "Time", it's a brilliant song and you're probably the only person here willing to diss him for it. Just because you can't stand a repeated word doesn't necessarily make it a no-no when writing music. If the song is good, then repetition in the lyrics must not be holding it back all too much.
Aside from that, the rest of it was alright. Like, 3.8 stars or somewhere in there. I still don't really get why you need to diss other musicians' lyrics just because you don't think they sound right.

POSTED: 04/29/2005 - 05:58 pm / quote |
stinkykuch :
another fine lesson, thanx man

dont stop tell you get enough!

POSTED: 05/05/2005 - 10:49 pm / quote |
 
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POSTED: 06/21/2005 - 11:15 am / quote |
Jord0013 :
***! man u suck cock. you dont kno shit. go and teach junior kids. were aduts. we know how to ryhme u ass wipe
POSTED: 07/20/2005 - 11:57 am / quote |
crankshaft :
Is that why Floyd is one of the greatest bands ever. What have you written thats sold millions of copies?
POSTED: 12/26/2005 - 05:40 pm / quote |
Greendayfan4eva :
hey guys i've been helped by a few of this person's lessons so i think maybe cool off a bit he's not that bad and he has helped me even if he hasn't helped you. Also, i know it hurts when people say they hate your fave songs and bands, i know coz i cop it a lot 4 liking green day (notice they were voted worst band), but im sure you have bands and lyrics you don't like. This is someone's opinion, just because you don't agree doesn't mean you can bag the crap out of him. anyway, good article. btw, for whoeva asked b4, tha ABCDC stuff is like... how to explain... one type of line might end in an "ee" sound, so we label lines that end in an "ee" sound A. Then the one we label B might end in an "ay" sound. so ABBA would mean a line ending in ee, a line ending in ay, a line ending in ee, a line ending in ay. i dunno if that makes sense im not very good at explaining but i hope that helps (we learnt it at school - i know crazy school but it comes in handy hey? lol)
POSTED: 01/09/2006 - 01:25 am / quote |
ibnzplayer0 :
now this doesnt relate to rock or guitar but it helps with rhyming as well...Rapping...i hate it as well, but it uses tons of rhymes, and ive remembered many rhymes to word, just try to rap, and work w/ you lyrics
POSTED: 01/18/2006 - 09:15 pm / quote |
slash010203 :
fauckin shit
POSTED: 03/06/2006 - 06:21 am / quote |
good_courier :
awesome that helps
POSTED: 06/26/2006 - 05:44 pm / quote |
bad ike :
overall a good study on the idea of rhyming, but i think maybe you mispoke, maybe it's not the whole idea of using the same word, but maybe instead, it is the idea of when to use rhyme and when to just follow a natural cadence to create flow. just a thought.
but really...knocking floyd is propably not a good idea. floyd and rush are in a league of their own lyrically speaking, be prepared to catch hell if you challenge their writing and creative abilities. I'm just saying... but to each his own. good lesson though.

POSTED: 09/12/2006 - 10:54 pm / quote |
Communist_Bob :
cool lesson but i think its better to stick with unusual or (wierd rhyme patterns because before you've wrote the music, the lyrics can take you anywhere that you wanna go. great lesson though!
POSTED: 01/15/2007 - 11:46 am / quote |
godlearntfromme :
Well said Greendayfan. Ur choice of music might not be that great lol but at least you have the self control to realise that like most things musical taste is opinion and you can't have a go at people cos they like a certain band or style of music. oh, and slash010203 this lesson was obviously well beyond your intellectual ability nobody with a brain has to resort to swearing. Slash is a legend, you won't amount to anything.
POSTED: 06/25/2007 - 04:19 pm / quote |
godlearntfromme :
btw i'm a huge floyd fan "Time" has a hell of a solo in it but im not going to get offended because someone thinks their lyrics weren't up to scratch
POSTED: 06/25/2007 - 04:21 pm / quote |
godlearntfromme :
jord0013 you pathetic!

POSTED: 06/25/2007 - 04:23 pm / quote |
crumbedfish :
as if u'd make cranky ass comments. the lesson is obviously just giving a few ideas on rhyming strategies. but for anyone who is reading these lessons for a more constructive purposes i recommend just writing, don't think to hard about it, and just re read some things with a constructively critical point of view. one of the most important comments made in the lesson i feel is that once you have practiced writing enough to increase your vocab and pull out some awesome lyrics it doesn't matter so much weather it rhymes or in what order. there are no real rules to music but there are alot of guidlines u can follow to make it easier. e.g. the c major scale didn't exist before the first person came up with it and u don't need to follow any scales but they do help

POSTED: 08/09/2007 - 02:33 am / quote |
chady101 :
thats one thing im good at is rhymeing
POSTED: 08/13/2007 - 05:03 pm / quote |
difitzio :
not great at spelling though (to above!)
good lesson very useful stuff, but I dont really believe songwriting is confined to formulae, and did you ever think that maybe roger waters used the same word twice on purpose?
You cant really put a formulae on his verse cause its actually very unorthodox and that makes it appealing itself

POSTED: 08/29/2007 - 07:13 pm / quote |
sxy6helena :
good article, its true about songs ending two or more lines with the same word cuz a repeated word "will" sound idiotic. But there's alot of songs that dont really rhyme and are still good.
POSTED: 10/17/2007 - 07:22 pm / quote |
Closure777 :
Vodd wrote:

Hmmm, u were talking about using the same word twice and it sounding idiotic. Now, i dont completely disagree with u, but it doesnt make a song a bad song.
'With the lights out its less dangerous
Here we are now
entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious
Here we are now
entertain us'
Dude, that is repetition but i still like the song.


okay, thats not the only person that has made a comment like that, and TOTALY misunderstood what benjmc's artical meant. The chorus to Smells Like Teen Spirit would be a good example of repeating, but a good kind of repeating. hes saying the same line twice, which in your mind if anything emphazises it, which is good. same thing with any song that use hooks, or songs that say the line similarly "please forgive this selfish question....[10 mins later, literly lol its tool]...please forgive this bold suggestion." stuff like that is fine.

what he meant though, was words that END in the same word, but other than that the lines have no similarities. ehh ill make up some useless crap right now.

Sick of all the lies you told
Sick of all my trust
Can't tell write from wrong
Who am i to trust?

see that 4th line killed the whole song. now its kinda dumb.

POSTED: 10/20/2007 - 09:47 pm / quote |
Closure777 :
^ hah i used "write" instead of "right" lol. wow. that makes me look noobish. ehh. ohh well i'll get over it lol.
POSTED: 10/20/2007 - 09:54 pm / quote |
Sublime Stylee :
Hmm I've never had a problem with the Time lyrics, all I gotta do is switch to the pop station on the radio if I want to cringe at the end of every verse.

And yes Roger Waters repeats the same word twice but it is in different context and he puts different emphasis on the sound so it does not come out similar at all.

Also am I the only one who dislikes lyrics that try to hard to come off as "artsy"?

POSTED: 01/13/2008 - 07:30 pm / quote |
auburntiger2418 :
good lesson, but i think one of the best songwriters now are brad paisley and taylor swift
POSTED: 03/08/2008 - 12:52 pm / quote |
auburntiger2418 :
great lesson, but i think the best song writers now are brad paisley and taylor swift
POSTED: 03/08/2008 - 12:53 pm / quote |
Toeshy :
this is rilly helpful it gave good advice aswell as excelent examples to prove ur point and it helped me out with wat to do and not to do
thanx

POSTED: 05/19/2008 - 09:24 am / quote |
Prisoner5 :
As a whole I felt this to be a completely pointless lesson. Nothing was really said taht was particularly relevant, I felt. You wannaa hear great rhyming, check out Eminem. I don't care if you hate rape, just listen to some of The Eminem Show. That guys rhymes are incredible, even my Dave Matthews loving english teacher grudgingly admitted.
POSTED: 05/16/2009 - 11:58 pm / quote |
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