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Diminished Chords And Scales

author: beatallica_fan date: 02/10/2005 category: the basics
rating: 9.3 / votes: 59 
POSTED: 02/10/2005 - 10:23 am
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 m 
  :
Well done, I'm sticking this in my little Theory reference folder

The only complaint you could possibly have is that you didn't relate the degrees to the major scale; but since the intervals are such a simple pattern it doesn't matter too much.
The degrees are, by the way
1 b2 b3 b4 b5 bb6 bb7 b7 1 for HW (or 1 b2 b3 3 #4 5 6 b7 1, if you want. That does throw off your scale degrees when forming the dim chord though.)
and
1 2 b3 4 b5 b6 bb7 7 1 for WH.

POSTED: 02/13/2005 - 07:00 pm / quote |
 
 m 
  :
yeah thats intentional, i find with symmetrical scales it confuses more than helps, with have 8 different tones and all, but yeah, it doesnt hurt to have the info there. Thanks for commenting.
POSTED: 02/14/2005 - 12:43 pm / quote |
Parrenze :
I dont understand gitair in general, and cant spell it either
POSTED: 02/19/2005 - 03:13 pm / quote |
nirvanafuk23 :
i find it funny no one posts when theres useful information...but when theres stuff about a band everyone posts on how much they suck...anyway nice article.
POSTED: 02/19/2005 - 09:25 pm / quote |
high voltage :
Excellent lesson!
POSTED: 02/20/2005 - 08:07 pm / quote |
ctb :
Great lesson, you rule !
POSTED: 02/22/2005 - 11:20 am / quote |
Rob the Tipton :
Nice.....
POSTED: 02/24/2005 - 09:14 pm / quote |
REPOMAN :
Cool.. I didn't read very carefully but will definetly come back once I start really studying my theory. I'm only just learning the basics now and this will be useful to me later. Thanks!
POSTED: 03/01/2005 - 07:43 pm / quote |
punkdude5000 :
Bang up job!
POSTED: 03/15/2005 - 04:33 pm / quote |
dOuble :D :
rOck On!!
POSTED: 03/22/2005 - 08:52 pm / quote |
Reed Peterson :
Excellent lesson - dude, this is the kind of stuff you pay out of the ying-yang to learn about from some instructor, and you've posted it for free! Totally awesome.
POSTED: 03/25/2005 - 12:03 pm / quote |
Greenback :
Excellent article, I've often wondered about dimished chords and scales. I've always used sevenths to add tension to my playing, this'll add way more depth.
Thanks for passing on the knowledge my friend!

POSTED: 03/25/2005 - 06:05 pm / quote |
kdo :
im ipressed...im in prestos
POSTED: 05/01/2005 - 07:44 am / quote |
kdo :
impressed...opps
POSTED: 05/01/2005 - 07:45 am / quote |
Philiptalk :
You have lit the light. As a guitarist who has spent a good deal of time puzzeling over the mysteries of diminished 7th scales, I'm grateful for such an eye-opening article. This is the best that I have seen. Thanks.
POSTED: 06/10/2005 - 10:10 am / quote |
Ricko :
Well done!
POSTED: 07/09/2005 - 03:20 pm / quote |
john_t_09 :
it was ok
POSTED: 08/03/2005 - 10:03 pm / quote |
el_guero :
Excellent lesson, has got me out of a rut i was stuck in for a long time. Thank you very much, rating of 5 from me. Nice one!!!!
POSTED: 08/18/2005 - 08:42 am / quote |
Maitinin :
you just learned me dim!
POSTED: 02/10/2006 - 01:00 pm / quote |
a1i9 :
Very Nice!
POSTED: 03/05/2006 - 05:24 am / quote |
halfwhole :
i play alto sax if there are only 3 half whole scales.C C#,AND D i can use the c halfwhole over a c7,eb7,g#7 and Bb7 do i have thar right?? then i have to transpose so for me i could play over the f#7,c7,e#7 and g7. cause i'm in eb, do i have that right?? tomeharp@aol.com
POSTED: 04/14/2006 - 05:13 pm / quote |
 
 m 
  :
C half whole works over C7, Eb7, Gb7 and A7 (imo), Db 9C# as you named it) works over Db7, E7, G7 and Bb7, and finally D half whole, will work over D7, F7, Ab7 and B7. Hope that helps.
POSTED: 04/17/2006 - 01:15 pm / quote |
bluesblaster :
great lesson, dude... cheers!
POSTED: 07/22/2006 - 04:47 pm / quote |
newellclimber :
Yes good lesson but the tension and release hasn,t sunkin in at all.
also does it matter which scale i build a diminished chord from i.e if i was thinkin on building an i dont know GDim can I build it from the Major scale or the Diminished scale & why have a diminished scale if that it is possible to build a Diminished chord from a major scale hope that makes sence i admit its one to think about Thankyou Simon

POSTED: 08/03/2006 - 02:05 pm / quote |
metal_head@#$% :
cool lesson man thans
POSTED: 09/01/2006 - 05:51 am / quote |
metal_head@#$% :
thanks*

POSTED: 09/01/2006 - 05:52 am / quote |
 
 m 
  :
mewell climber, im not sure what your asking, ues you can guild G dim from the major scale, its 1 b3 b5 bb7, but those combination of notes arent found in the major scale, you take the 3 and 5 and flatten them, and the seventh and flatten by a whole tone. The dim scale giveds us a scale with those intervals inbuilt, plus some nice alterations. Its like saying we have no need for a minor scale as we can build minor chords from the major scale.
POSTED: 09/30/2006 - 07:21 am / quote |
TK1 :
i like the lesson. heard a friend play it, thought it sounded cool. any songs to practice that uses it?

POSTED: 10/11/2006 - 04:32 pm / quote |
fretboardman :
yea can you post some riffs that uses dims? GREAT LESSON for newbis like me
POSTED: 10/12/2006 - 10:54 pm / quote |
niftycakedude :
my head just exploded, awesome
POSTED: 11/13/2006 - 06:14 pm / quote |
 
 m 
  :
Well i mention a couple, Michelle being my favourite, Just by Radiohead uses diminished scales heavily. Jazz is really where youll get the most out of this, get a cassette record a simple one chord diminished vamp and then play along, see what you come up with.
POSTED: 11/17/2006 - 02:56 am / quote |
minichibi :
cant find the audio on your page. is it laney lc50 demo?

POSTED: 05/10/2007 - 07:48 pm / quote |
minichibi :
minichibi wrote:

cant find the audio on your page. is it laney lc50 demo?


ah never mind sorry. Good lesson 5 outta 5 :P

POSTED: 05/10/2007 - 07:49 pm / quote |
Silky Smooth :
The diminished scale is wonderful for getting around the neck in a verticle fashion. It's shapes are ideal for moving up and down the neck freely. It's one of my favorites!
POSTED: 06/03/2007 - 06:51 am / quote |
cob666 :
i dont understand this, but thats because im stupid
POSTED: 10/13/2007 - 03:09 pm / quote |
sevenchurches :
awesome
POSTED: 10/15/2007 - 06:40 am / quote |
Snuggler :
I like!!!
POSTED: 10/17/2007 - 12:24 pm / quote |
BlaZe75 :
Awesome lesson!
much appreciated!
noob here.. first post!

POSTED: 11/08/2007 - 10:51 pm / quote |
mitchrushton182 :
niiiiice. larry lalonde from primus uses diminished scales alot i think.
POSTED: 11/10/2007 - 11:22 pm / quote |
mashinguard :
nice... this article really makes it clear for me. Thanks a lot!
POSTED: 12/23/2007 - 05:31 pm / quote |
geetarbaz :
You can use the HW in a blues when going from the I to the IV chord (over the last beats or bars of the I chord) eg play Gdim (HW) in a G blues over bar 4 leading to the C chord. Cool.
POSTED: 12/26/2007 - 03:35 pm / quote |
killtrend :
nice lesson but i didn't see the mention of min. tri-tones because if u look at a dim pattern, thats all it basically has is a group of notes 2 1/2 steps apart thus a tri-tone.
POSTED: 01/08/2008 - 07:07 pm / quote |
FreakinCool :
i am sure this is a good lesson like everyone else is saying but um.. im a newbie at this so it might take me awhile to get all this XD
POSTED: 01/17/2008 - 08:52 pm / quote |
brush200400 :
there are some things missing but what you have said is pretty good good job
POSTED: 03/03/2008 - 10:23 am / quote |
jcj :
that was an amazing lesson
just plain amazing

POSTED: 03/08/2008 - 08:49 am / quote |
cssst10 :
thanks man hella useful and i agree you need to have a feel for jazz
POSTED: 03/10/2008 - 01:06 am / quote |
upat700 :
it frecken aosum
POSTED: 04/19/2008 - 12:34 pm / quote |
lamkins :
thanks for explaining u did a good job...only i suck really bad with chords and the one thing i could use is fingering...
right now this seems impossible to play to me

POSTED: 05/22/2008 - 02:24 pm / quote |
rockstar690 :
thanks
POSTED: 06/26/2008 - 06:36 pm / quote |
learninclutch :
It will take great discipline to play these exercises in a loop but will be worth all the pain in my hand.
Great lesson, thanks for the advice.

POSTED: 07/08/2008 - 05:33 pm / quote |
ornobatlfc :
really good article. helped a lot. i love diminished scales because they are easy to improvise on but i need to work on the chords.
POSTED: 07/25/2008 - 05:24 am / quote |
Bardi :
Great lesson. You really get well around the subject and give one a clue of what it is like to work with dim. And you explain it very precisely and well. So thumbs up! Now I have some stuff to work on.
POSTED: 08/08/2008 - 05:34 pm / quote |
diesiraex :
So...each scale has essentially "2" chords in it, in terms of fingerings?
Also, could the idea of using one dim chord 4 times to move up the neck whilst building a neoclassical-esque tension, like this:

D-----0-----3-----6-
A----2-----5-----8----
E--1- ----1--4-----4--7----- ETC?

Cheers

POSTED: 09/17/2008 - 05:55 am / quote |
diesiraex :
S**t, the computer likes to "translate" tabs
U get the idea

POSTED: 09/17/2008 - 05:56 am / quote |
git-airman :
Parrenze wrote:

I dont understand gitair in general, and cant spell it either


ha, you spell it like my name, a pioneerwho champions a guy he doesnt know.

POSTED: 01/03/2009 - 02:55 pm / quote |
onevoiceinc :
Great lesson. In over two decades of playing, I still never really used or truly understood diminished scales. Playing a diminished chord or arpeggio is one thing, understanding it is another (especially when your chord chart says F dim, and you're like, "Great. Which of the four notes is the root?). Now I understand clearly. Thank you very much. You wouldn't have a lydian dominant lesson, would ya? Heh.
POSTED: 11/18/2009 - 08:13 pm / quote |
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