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Modes II

author: Logz date: 10/03/2007 category: the basics
rating: 9.5 / votes: 229 

Welcome all to my complete lesson on modes. In this lessons, I hope to explain in detail what modes are, how they work and how they can be applied to music.

Table Of Contents

1. Enharmonics and Diatonics
2. Modes Defined
2.1 Modes Feelings
3. Constructing Modes
3.1 Example 1: Dorian Mode construction
3.2 Example 2: A# Phrygian Mode
3.3 List of Intervals
4. Chords Over Modes
4.1 The four Triads
4.2 Major Modes
4.3 The Minor Modes
4.4 what's left? Locrian
4.5 Extending your chords
4.5.1 Ionian Mode
4.5.2 Dorian Mode
4.5.3 Phrygian Mode
4.5.4 Lydian Mode
4.5.5 Mixolydian Mode
4.5.6 Aeolian Mode
4.5.7 Locrian Mode
4.6 Just looking for that feeling? 
4.7 Until next time! 
5. Modal Chord Progressions
5.1 What is a chord progression
5.2 Refreshing your mind
5.3 Moving Modes
5.3.1 Step 1 - Moving to the mode
5.3.2 Step 2 - Applying the rules
5.4 Roman Numerals
5.5 And there you have it! 

1. Enharmonically Speaking

Ok, before we go on, there's one thing you need to know. Enharmonics, and diatonics. A Definition for enharmonics means Two names for one meaning. Ok, lets use an audible example. Play the 2nd fret of the Low E String. Hear that? It is a half step above F, and can be called F#. However, it is a half step below G and so it can also be called Gb. These are exactly the same thing. Another example, the 1st fret of the B string. This is a C note. However, it's also called B#. Below, I have included a list of enharmonics, just for your knowledge:

A > A#/Bb > B/Cb > B#/C > C#/Db > D > D#/Eb > E/Fb > E#/F > F#/Gb > G > G#/Ab

The next thing, is Diatonics. This means you need, in a 7 tone scale, each note used at least once. For example, in the C Major scale, we use all the notes:

C D E F G A B C

This scale, is therefore, diatonically correct. Lets use another example. The F# Major scale, but make it diatonically incorrect:

E Gb Ab A B Db Eb E

Why isn't this scale diatonically correct? Well look at it. Where is the F note and C note? Why has the A and E notes been used twice? This can easily be solved using enharmonics:

E F# G# A B C# D# E
Fb Gb Ab Bbb Cbb Db Eb Fb

These are both enharmonically and diatonically correct versions of the E (or Fb) Major scale.

2. Modes Defined

Modes are much like scales. They are a series of intervals, which with a scale key provide a series of pitches. You can build modes of any scale. But for the time being, and to avoid confusion, I'll only be talking about modes of the major scale. The difference between modes and scales, is that a mode comes from a scale. For example, the C Major scale has these notes:

C D E F G A B C

A Mode is basically, the exact same scale, but starting on a different note. Therefore, the first mode of the C Major scale would be this:

D E F G A B C D

A good way to see how this works, is to look at the diagram of modes below. Each mode is derieved from the C Major scale.

C ionian:     C D E F G A B C
D dorian:     D E F G A B C D
E phrygian:   E F G A B C D E
F lydian:     F G A B C D E F
G mixolydian: G A B C D E F G
A aeolian:    A B C D E F G A
B locrian:    B C D E F G A B

There are 7 different notes in the major scale. This means, we can create a total of 7 different modes from the major scale alone. These modes are:

Ionian 
Dorian
Phrygian 
Lydian 
Mixolydian 
Aeolian 
Locrian

2.1 Modes Feelings.
Each mode of the major scale can create it's own, individual sound. However, you can only accomplish this sound by learning the theory behind modes. So what do I mean, "individual sounds"? Well, Each one of those 7 modes can, if used properly, sound distinctive. Guitarists use modes in to suit the feeling of the song they are trying to write. If they are trying to write a happy song, they'll use a certain mode, if they try to give the song a sad sound, they'll use another mode. And so on.

3. Constructing Modes

This part of the lesson will either be very confusing, or very simple, although, when you understand how it works, and it suddenly clicks, it'll all make sense! Ok, this is why, you need to know about the major scale and intervals. Lets start with the basics.

We know each degree, or note, of the major scale is the root note of a mode. Therefore, the first note of the Major scale, creates the first mode, which is Ionian. The second note of the major scale creates the second mode, which is Dorian. The third note of the major scale creates the third mode, which is Phrygian, and so on. Lets start with the 1st degree of the major scale.

This creates the Ionian mode. But you might be thinking; "Well, if the root note of the major scale creates the Ionian mode, does that mean there's two names for one scale?" The answer is yes. The major scale, can also be called the Ionian mode. This is our starting scale, so give each note of the Major scale an interval. In these examples, I will be using the C Major scale.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 - Major scale intervals
C D E F G A B C - C Major scale

You should be familiar with this. So, we've already constructed our first mode! Congratulations.

3.1 Example 1: Dorian Mode Construction.
Lets move onto the Dorian mode. This is the second mode of the major scale, so we start on the second note / degree. Because we are using the C Major scale, the root note of the Dorian mode will be "D", and this is our D Dorian mode:

D E F G A B C D

The next step, is to compare the notes of the D Major scale with the D Dorian Mode:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1   - Major scale intervals
D E F# G A B C# D - D Major Scale
D E F G A B C D   - D Dorian Mode

There are two differences between the notes. In the Major scale, there is an F#, however, in the Dorian scale, it's only a F. Also, In the major scale, there is a C#, however, in the Dorian mode, there is a normal C. So, how do we get the major scale to flatten it's 3rd and 7th notes? by putting a flat (b) sign before it's intervals:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1   - Major scale intervals
D E F# G A B C# D - D Major Scale
1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 1 - Our new flattened 3rd and 7th intervals
| | | | | | | |
v v v v v v v v
D E F G A B C D   - D Dorian Mode

3.2 Example 2: D Phrygian Mode Construction.
Lets take a more harder one. Our base will be the Bb Major scale.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1
Bb C D Eb F G A Bb

We want to find out the intervals used in the Phrygian Scale. So, the phrygian scale is the 3rd Major mode, so we find the 3rd note of our Bb Major scale. It's D, therefore, we will be using the D Phrygian mode.

D Phrygian:
D Eb F G A Bb C D

So, we have the notes for the D Phrygian scale, now we need to compare them to the D Major scale:

D Eb F G A Bb C D - D Phrygian Mode
D E F# G A B C# D - D Major scale

As you can see, there are a lot of differences. Lets start from the left and work to the right.

1. Both the D's match up, so there ok.
2. The second notes don't match up. Ones a Eb, and ones a E. Therefore, we need to flatten the second interval of the Major scale in order to fit it in with the Phrygian Mode.
3. The 3rd degrees don't match up either. In the Phrygian mode, there is a F and in the Major scale there is a F#. Therefore, we need to flatten the 3rd degree of the major scale as well, to make that F# into a F.
4. The 4th, and 5th degrees are both the same, so we don't need to worry about them.
5. The 6th and 7th degrees of each scale don't match either. We need to flatten the 6th and 7th degree major scale to fit into the phrygian mode.

Therefore, to sum it up, we need these intervals:

1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 1

If you apply these intervals to the D Major scale, you now have the D Phrygian mode. If you use this process for each mode, you will eventually be able to work out every interval for every mode of the Major scale!

3.3 List Of Intervals.

Ionian Mode     1  2  3  4  5  6  7 1
Dorian Mode     1  2 b3  4  5  6 b7 1
Phrygian Mode   1 b2 b3  4  5 b6 b7 1
Lydian Mode     1  2  3 #4  5  6  7 1
Mixolydian Mode 1  2  3  4  5  6 b7 1
Aeolian Mode    1  2 b3  4  5 b6 b7 1
Locrian Mode    1 b2 b3  4 b5 b6 b7 1

4. Chords Over Modes


4.1 The Four Triads.
You should be familiar with chord construction, however, if you'r not, I'll quickly go over it. Basically, a triad is a chord with 3 different pitches in it. An easy example of this would be C Major: C E G. See? Three different pitches. Now, there are four different types of triads, and these are:

Major
Minor
Augmented 
Diminished

Each one of these triads has a set of 3 intervals which you can apply to a scale in order to get the desired chord. Lets look at these intervals:

Major      1  3  5 
Minor      1 b3  5
Augmented  1  3 #5
Diminished 1 b3 b5

You should be familiar with intervals. These are the four triads we will be using extensively throughout the course of this lesson.

4.2 Major Modes.
Each mode has a dominant feature about it. Some modes have a major sound and some have a minor sound. In this section, I'll explain how you work these out based on intervals. Lets start with the Major modes. As you know, the modes are Ionian, Dorian, Phrygian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Aeolian and Locrian. 3 of these modes are what we call major modes. Why call them major? Well, lets look at the major triad again. it's intervals are 1 3 5. So what's so major about this? The Major 3rd and perfect 5th intervals! These two intervals tell us that this chord is major. Also, any scale with these two interval in it, is also major.So lets recap on our modes again, and look more closely at the intervals:

Ionian Mode     1  2  3  4  5  6  7 1
Dorian Mode     1  2 b3  4  5  6 b7 1
Phrygian Mode   1 b2 b3  4  5 b6 b7 1
Lydian Mode     1  2  3 #4  5  6  7 1
Mixolydian Mode 1  2  3  4  5  6 b7 1
Aeolian Mode    1  2 b3  4  5 b6 b7 1
Locrian Mode    1 b2 b3  4 b5 b6 b7 1

To find the modes which are major, we need to find which ones have a Major 3rd (3) and Perfect 5th (5) interval in them. This is easy! There's only 3 modes with 3 and 5 in them.

Ionian
Lydian
Mixolydian

These 3 modes are dominantly Major. However, they must not be confused with dominant chords.

4.3 The Minor Modes.
Now we have found out which of the 7 modes are major, we can find out which ones have a minor sound to them. We do this using the same process, however, lets look at the Minor triad.

Minor 1 b3 5

What's so minor about this chord? Again, look at the 3rd and 5th intervals. The 3rd interval has a 'b' in front of it. We call this a Minor 3rd. So, lets look again through our modes and find out which ones are minor!

Dorian   1  2 b3 4 5  6 b7 1
Phrygian 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 1
Aeolian  1  2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 1

These 3 modes are dominantly Minor. Again, these modes should not be confused with Dominant Minor chords.

4.4 What's Left? Locrian.
Okay. Now that we have found out the tonality of 6 of the 7 modes, we only have one left to look at - Locrian. Locrian is a weird one. If we look at the 3rd and 5th intervals, they are both flattened (Minor 3rd and Diminished 5th). So which triad does this mode fit under? We already know it can't be a Major triad, and we know it can't be a Minor Triad. Therefore, it can only either be Diminished or Augmented. If we look at our augmented triad, it has a Major 3rd and an Augmented 5th. So this can't be it. We need a triad which has a minor 3rd and diminished 5th. The only one which has these two, is the diminished triad. Therefore, Locrian is a Diminished Mode.

4.5 Extending Your Chords!
Ok, so now we know which modes are Major, which ones are minor and also which one is diminished. Below I've written it all out to make it simple for you:

Ionian Major
Dorian Minor
Phrygian Minor
Lydian Major
Mixolydian Major
Aeolian Minor
Locrian Diminished

Now, before you read on into this section, you should be confident about chord construction, as this part will go into depth about each mode. The thing we have to do here is to find out what's different about the mode we're looking at. Each triad can be extended to make it fit in better with it's mode. In this section, we'll look through each mode separately and look at possible chord combinations.

4.5.1 Ionian Mode Extensions.
Ok, lets start off with a nice easy one. The Ionian Mode. We already know we can fit a nice easy Major Triad into this mode. So what can we do to extend this triad? Well, look at the intervals which make up the Ionian Mode: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1. The one that's most "in your face" is that Major 7th. The intervals for a Major 7th chord are: 1 3 5 7. As you can see, these intervals fit into it easily enough as well. You can play this mode over any major chord. Possible variations are:

Maj7  1  3 (5) 7
Maj9  1  3 (5) 7  9
Maj11 1 (3) 5  7 (9)  11
Maj13 1  3 (5) 7 (9) (11) 13

4.5.2 Dorian Mode Extensions.
The next mode we'll work with is the Dorian mode. Again, we know this is a minor mode, because it has a minor 3rd and perfect 5th. Lets look at the Dorian Modes intervals: 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 1. What's the next "in your face" extension? Well, in our previous scale, we used the Major 7th. If we look at this chord, what helps to define this minor scale? The minor 7th (b7) of course! Therefore, this mode fits very well over minor7th (m7) chords:

m7   1 b3 (5) b7
m6   1 b3 (5)  6
m6/9 1 b3 (5)  6  9
m9   1 b3 (5) b7  9
m11  1 b3 (5) b7 (9)  11
m13  1 b3 (5) b7 (9) (11) 13

4.5.3 Phrygian Mode Extensions.
Phrygian is one of my favourite modes to work with. It can have a Spanish feel to it, and works as well over rock genres, but can be used over any genre. Phrygian has the intervals 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 1, and works over a Minor triad. This mode has a minor 3rd, perfect 5th and a minor 7th. Therefore we know, like the Dorian mode, it'll fit over a m7 chord.

m7    1  b3  5 b7
susb9 1 (5) b7 b9

4.5.4 Lydian Mode Extensions.
The Lydian mode can create a dreamy sound. It fits well over a Major triad. The only difference between the Lydian mode and the Ionian mode is it's Augmented 4th. This augmented 4th makes it an ideal mode to play Maj7#11 chords over:

Maj7    1 3 (5) 7
maj9    1 3 (5) 7 9 
Maj7#11 1 3 (5) 7 9 #11

4.5.5 Mixolydian Mode Extensions.
Again, there's only once difference between this mode and the Ionian mode. This is the Minor 7th. You can play any Dominant 7th chords over this mode:

dom7    1 3  5  b7
 - 7/6  1 3 (5)  6 b7
 - 9    1 3  5  b7  9
 - add9 1 3 (5)  9
 - sus  1 4 (5) b7 OR 1 2 (5) b7

4.5.6 Aeolian Mode Extensions.
The aeolian mode is the main recognised "minor" mode. It is also widely recognised as the natural Minor scale. It has a minor 3rd, minor 6th and a minor 7th.

m7   1 b3 (5) b7
m9   1 b3 (5) b7  9
m11  1 b3 (5) b7 (9) 11
(b6) 1 b3 (5) b6

In some cases, this mode can be used as a substitute from the Dorian Mode.

4.5.7 Locrian Mode Extensions.
This mode has a dark mood to it, helped by it's minor 3rd and diminished 5th.
This mode works over diminished chords, and is also good for m7b5 chords.

1 b3 b5
1 b3 b5 b7

4.6 Just Looking For That Feeling?
Below I have included a diagram, wrote by Elvenkindje which helps you to see the mood of each mode. The happy modes start at the top, and as you move downwards, they get progressivly "sadder".

Lydian:     1  2  3 #4  5  6  7
Ionian:     1  2  3  4  5  6  7
Mixolydian: 1  2  3  4  5  6 b7
Dorian:     1  2 b3  4  5  6 b7
Aeolian:    1  2 b3  4  5 b6 b7
Phrygian:   1 b2 b3  4  5 b6 b7
Locrian:    1 b2 b3  4 b5 b6 b7

5. Modal Chord Progressions

5.1 What Is A Chord Progression.
A chord progression is basically what it says. A progression, or series, of chords. Some chords sound good together, some sound bad. Some sound average and some sound awesome. Every band uses chord progressions, if not in their guitars, in their singing. Progressions are used as a base for improvisation, solos, singing and so on. Now, this is where modes come into it. If you remember back to the Modal Chords installation, you'll remember that we can build a chord for each interval, or degree, of the major scale. Because there are 7 notes in each mode, that means you can create 7 triads in total for each mode, one triad for each degree of the mode.

5.2 Refreshing Your Mind.
In installment 1, we realised that the major scale can construct 7 different modes. In installment 2, we realised that each mode has a certain triad that can fit over it. This is what we came to:

Ionian Major
Dorian Minor
Phrygian Minor
Lydian Major
Mixolydian Major
Aeolian Minor
Locrian Diminished

If you do not understand this, read back over installment 2! Without realising it, you have just worked out the Major scales, or Ionian Modes chord progression. How? You ask? Easy. Remember I said degree of a mode can create it's own chord? Well, in the diagram above, you have the modes for each degree of the major scale!

1     2     3     4     5     6     7          1
Major Minor Minor Major Major Minor Diminished Major

Ok, so, we have created the Ionian modes chord progression. What next? The rest of the modes!

5.3 Moving Modes.
Ok, This part is simple. To create mode chord progressions based on modes, there are two steps.

1 - Moving to the mode
2 - Applying the rules


5.3.1 Step 1 - Moving To The Mode.
So, Lets move to another mode from the Ionian Mode. Say, Dorian, seeing as it's the next one along. Dorian is the 2nd degree of the Major scale. So how do we make a chord progression of this? First of all, we need to look back at our chord progression of the major scale, this time, look at the intervals:

1     2     3     4     5     6     7          1
Major Minor Minor Major Major Minor Diminished Major

The major scale chord progression starts on "1" and ends on "1." This is because it's the 1st degree of the major scale. So, if Dorian is the second degree of the major scale, that means we start on "2" and end on "2"! Lets apply this to the chords:

2     3     4     5     6     7          1     2
Minor Minor Major Major Minor Diminished Major Minor

See! That wasn't so hard was it! All we've done, is shift the chord progression one chord to the left. So, we've taken the first chord, Major, at put it at the end. Lets try another one to get you in the hang of it. Lets do Aeolian. Aeolian is the 6th mode of the major scale, therefore, we need to start on "6" and end on "6".

6     7          1     2     3     4     5     6
Minor Diminished Major Minor Minor Major Major Minor

Understand it now? This is the first of the two steps to creating chord progressions.
You've successfully "moved the mode". Just for a visual guide, I've wrote out the basic chord progressions of each of the modes below:

Ionian     Maj Min Min Maj Maj Min Dim 
Dorian     Min Min Maj Maj Min Dim Maj 
Phrygian   Min Maj Maj Min Dim Maj Min 
Lydian     Maj Maj Min Dim Maj Min Min 
Mixolydian Maj Min Dim Maj Min Min Maj 
Aeolian    Min Dim Maj Min Min Maj Maj 
Locrian    Dim Maj Min Min Maj Maj Min

5.3.2 Step 2 - Applying The Rules.
There's one rule to apply to these chord progressions. This is where it might get a little tricky. it's important that you fully understand mode construction and the intervals for modes from this point. I have explained how to create a basic modal chord progression. The next part is how to get the sound to have a "mood". Each mode has intervals. These modes sound unique because they have flats and sharps, and they change depending on what mode your using. Below, I have re-wrote the intervals for each mode. This is to jog your memory, and to use as a guide for the next step.

Ionian Mode     1  2  3  4  5  6  7 1
Dorian Mode     1  2 b3  4  5  6 b7 1
Phrygian Mode   1 b2 b3  4  5 b6 b7 1
Lydian Mode     1  2  3 #4  5  6  7 1
Mixolydian Mode 1  2  3  4  5  6 b7 1
Aeolian Mode    1  2 b3  4  5 b6 b7 1
Locrian Mode    1 b2 b3  4 b5 b6 b7 1

So how do we apply the rule? Well, you need to transfer these flats (b) and sharps (#) to the chord progression. So, lets take an easy example, Lydian, because it only has 1 sharp and no flats. Lydian is the 4th mode of the Major scale. It only has one sharp, which is on the 4th degree. Lets take the Lydian Chord Progression now:

       1     2     3     4          5     6     7 - Intervals
Lydian Major Major Minor Diminished Major Minor Minor

Now, If we look at the intervals used on the Lydian chord progression, and compare them to the Lydian modes actual intervals, you can see, the chord progression is missing a sharp on the 4th degree. To correct this, we need to make the 4th chord in that progression, a sharp. Therefore:

       1     2     3     #4               5     6     7 - Intervals
Lydian Major Major Minor Sharp-Diminished Major Minor Minor

See what I've done? Lets take another example, but a little more harder. The Aeolian mode. The Aeolian mode has the intervals: 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 1. So, look at the intervals. The 3rd, 6th and 7th degrees are all flats. So lets apply these to our Aeolian Chord Progression:

        1     2          3     4     5     6     7
Aeolian Minor Diminished Major Minor Minor Major Major

Changes to:

        1     2          b3         4     5     b6         b7
Aeolian Minor Diminished Flat-Major Minor Minor Flat-Major Flat-Major

See how it works?

5.4 Roman Numerals.
Ok, so now we have learnt how to create modal chord progressions! Congratulations! But sometimes we need to explain chord progressions. It seems inappropriate that we have to say each chords full name (like above) to say what chords are in a chord progression, therefore, we use roman numerals. You may have seen these in music theory, you may have seen them on a sundial. Roman Numerals are like numbers. Now, how do we change Major, Minor, Diminished, Flat, Sharp into Roman numerals? Well lets start with the basics. First of all, we have 7 chords. That means, we need seven roman numerals. These are:

I - ii - iii - iv - v - vi - vii

Now, these, on their own, don't say much. They say we have 7 of something. We need to define them to make them relevant to our chords. Lets start with Major chords. We can define major chords by writing our numerals in capital letters! Therefore, if our first chord was major, it would change from "I" to "I" If our 6th chord was major, it would change from "vi" to "VI." So, how do we define minor? Easy! We leave them in lowercase letters!

The next one. Diminished chords. Now, Diminished chords can function as Minor chords, because it has a b3, so we write them in lowercase letters. However, we also need readers to understand that it's not a minor chord, but it is, in fact a diminished chord. So how do we do it? To do this, we add a little symbol. The symbol is a little circle, which floats to the right of the numeral. This is the symbol: ° You can write this symbol by holding down "alt" on your keyboard, and pressing 0 1 7 6 in that order. So, if our 1st chord is diminished, instead of writing just "I" we will add ° to the end of it, to create this: "I°". If our 7th chord is diminished, we write: "vii°". The last two symbols are easy. Flat and Sharp, "b" and "#" respectively. So, now you know how to describe roman numerals. How do you apply them?
Well, lets take the Ionian Mode chord progression to start with:

Ionian: Major Minor Minor Major Major Minor Diminished

So, using our new knowledge of Numerals, lets change this into them. The 1st chord is a Major chord. Therefore our 1st roman numeral will be in capitals. The 2nd chord is a Minor chord. Therefore our 2nd roman numeral will be in lowercase. The 3rd chord is a Minor chord. Therefore our 3rd roman numeral will be in lowercase. The 4th chord is a Major chord. Therefore our 4th roman numeral will be in capitals. The 5th chord is a Major chord. Therefore our 5th roman numeral will be in capitals. The 6th chord is a Minor chord. Therefore our 6th roman numeral will be in lowercase. The 7th chord is a diminished chord. Therefore our 7th roman numeral will be in lowercase, and have a °. So, using this, lets change it into our numerals:

Ionian: I ii iii IV V vi vii°

This is our Ionian Modes chord progression in Roman numerals! Now, lets take another example, of a harder one. The Locrian Mode. We know that in long term, this is what the Locrian mode looks like:

Locrian:
Diminished Flat-Major Flat-Minor Minor Flat-Major Flat-Major Flat-Minor

So lets change this into roman numerals:

Locrian: I° bII biii IV bV bVI bvii

See how that works? Eventually, if you work out all the numerals for each mode, you'll end up with this:

Ionian     I   ii   iii   IV   V   vi   vii° 
Dorian     I   ii  bIII   IV   v   vi° bVII
Phrygian   I  bII  bIII   iv   v° bVI  bvii
Lydian     I   II   iii  #iv°  V   vi   vii
Mixolydian I   ii   iii°  IV   v   vi  bVII
Aeolian    I   ii° bIII   iv   v  bVI  bVII
Locrian    I° bII  biii   iv  bV  bVI  bvii

5.5 And There You Have It!
Well that's the end of this lesson. I hope you have understood this lesson, and that it'll come in use for you one day. Best luck!

POSTED: 10/03/2007 - 08:29 am
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hairypineapple wrote on 10/03/2007 - 10:01 am / quote |
Very nice, hi 5!
     
soulphonate wrote on 10/03/2007 - 10:56 am / quote |
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naedman wrote on 10/03/2007 - 08:41 pm / quote |
wow, i read through it and this is an amazing article, i never really understood any other ones i read about modes, but this explained it very well.
Ill have something to chew on for a while.

thanks alot, 10/10
     
fly fly fly wrote on 10/04/2007 - 03:22 pm / quote |
really good. keep it up. describes modes in a good way, just wished it went into the description of sond more
     
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really nice. about time someone had a good lesson on the way.
     
a god wrote on 10/04/2007 - 04:35 pm / quote |
really nice. about time someone had a good lesson on the way.
     
thatonestud wrote on 10/05/2007 - 01:07 am / quote |
thanks! what really helped me was how to create chord progressions from modes... im going to use that ssoo much!
     
thefoldarsoldar wrote on 10/05/2007 - 03:47 pm / quote |
Hooray for Logz!

     
sindrel wrote on 10/05/2007 - 05:20 pm / quote |
Nice lessons, though i knew much about modes before reading that, though i didn't know that much about chord progressions. One thing to ask: when we make for example a major chord a flat-major one, what exactly flattens in our chord? I don't understand that. Please reply or contact me at mad.sindrel@gmail.com, thx in advance!
     
Metalhead3333 wrote on 10/07/2007 - 08:07 pm / quote |
Woah, I got lost at the major modes

Is a perfect interval a note which is neither sharp nor flat?

This is fun, learning all this stuff, even though it's so god damned tedious. Great lesson, it's really helping me along.

10/10.
     
juangar1992 wrote on 10/08/2007 - 12:15 am / quote |
wonderful lesson you're the only one who has made me understand thi thing about modes



thanx man, keep making lessons
     
ooblah wrote on 10/08/2007 - 01:33 am / quote |
very helpful.
     
fadetowhite wrote on 10/08/2007 - 12:06 pm / quote |
my friend, when i become the next jaymz hammett, i will dedicate my signature gibson explorer to you
     
knollenberg wrote on 10/09/2007 - 12:33 pm / quote |
wow....this actually helped
     
rojomeansred wrote on 10/09/2007 - 02:02 pm / quote |
does anyone know where modes get there names from? they were all ancient places, but i don't know why they are called what they are.
     
CanasClone wrote on 10/09/2007 - 02:14 pm / quote |
Excellent, 10/10. Could you write a deeper lesson on chords though, especially how to use stranger jazz chord progressions? That's what I really don't understand.
     
wizards? wrote on 10/09/2007 - 02:49 pm / quote |
that was good....really good. Keep them coming this is helping a lot 10/10
     
Dumpster510 wrote on 10/10/2007 - 10:35 pm / quote |
Good article but what do you mean by a Flat-Major chord or a Sharp-Diminished chord?
     
branny1982 wrote on 10/11/2007 - 06:27 am / quote |
very useful article.

just a note, you have quite few errors on the roman numerals at the end of the article.
a major is depicted with a capital numeral I
a minor is depicted with a lower case numeral i.

good work.
     
branny1982 wrote on 10/11/2007 - 06:29 am / quote |
just to add to this ^
i apologise if i am wrong to say that, you may be using different nomenclature to what i am used to, but i don't see how the first chord of minor modes can be major ?

     
ProgIsGood wrote on 10/13/2007 - 10:49 am / quote |
Wow. So well explained. I already know lots about modes but I still got a lot out of this lesson 10/10.
     
casa_punkista wrote on 10/13/2007 - 11:59 am / quote |
great job
     
michal23 wrote on 10/13/2007 - 02:22 pm / quote |
About the chord progressions of modes - surely if you apply that rule after, the chords are out of key? Unless that is kind of the idea, then I don't understand =/
     
ghostofhendrix wrote on 10/14/2007 - 03:00 pm / quote |
This is a great lesson man u explained it really well! However, could you go a bit more in depth about the sounds/feelings of these modes and how to achieve these sounds e.g. which notes r good to use for different feelings-b3,7 etc? I pretty much understand modes now but i'd like to be able to implement them effectively- thanks again for the great lesson
     
ghostofhendrix wrote on 10/14/2007 - 03:02 pm / quote |
rojomeansred wrote:

does anyone know where modes get there names from? they were all ancient places, but i don't know why they are called what they are.

Probably Italy/Ancient Greece- thats where most music theory originates from
     
fadetowhite wrote on 10/15/2007 - 01:08 pm / quote |
mixolydian is cool
     
metal4all wrote on 10/16/2007 - 06:17 pm / quote |
Very well written Logz, great job.
     
maelstr0m wrote on 10/20/2007 - 04:20 pm / quote |
excellent lesson, as a person who has learned to play on a guitar alone, it taught me a lot.
     
elcaballo wrote on 10/22/2007 - 07:23 pm / quote |
i have gained much knowledge after reading this lesson
     
Metalhead3333 wrote on 10/24/2007 - 06:17 am / quote |
rojomeansred wrote:

does anyone know where modes get there names from? they were all ancient places, but i don't know why they are called what they are.



They were named in ancient greece, by a great man whose name escapes me... And I only heard who named them earlier today!

     
niqolaise wrote on 10/28/2007 - 03:11 pm / quote |
Great lesson, this helped me very much.
     
difitzio wrote on 10/29/2007 - 02:56 pm / quote |
There goes the most comprehensive guitar theory lesson you will ever see rolled into one!
Question though... I am learing modes and can play the 7 modes in the key of C. Was I wrong to say that when playing some lead in the key of C you just use those one of those modes to suit like-
Phrygian E F G A B C D. OR do you play all from the root C and pick your mode from there to suit the music- so if it was some spanish music youd use phrygian starting from C like-
C Db Eb F G Ab Bb C
If anyone has the answer to this it would be good!
     
Death-Speak wrote on 10/30/2007 - 03:13 pm / quote |
Do more lessons guy. This is probably the best lesson on theory I have read on this site!
     
muchas wrote on 11/04/2007 - 03:03 am / quote |
very useful.. this is great.. lesson is great.. thanks for the effort man..
     
crazy94 wrote on 11/04/2007 - 04:24 am / quote |
i don understand lehh.. sry. but i really don get it. can anyone explain pretty pls??
     
Dnalrafcmb3 wrote on 11/08/2007 - 06:54 pm / quote |
good lesson, if you take your time and read this, you can really learn a lot of useful information, especially for song writing
     
Dnalrafcmb3 wrote on 11/08/2007 - 06:57 pm / quote |
Metalhead3333 wrote:

rojomeansred wrote:

does anyone know where modes get there names from? they were all ancient places, but i don't know why they are called what they are.



They were named in ancient greece, by a great man whose name escapes me... And I only heard who named them earlier today!


yeah, I know a lot of these are islands in The Iliad or The Odessey
     
guy_tebache wrote on 11/18/2007 - 07:26 pm / quote |
Metalhead3333 wrote:

rojomeansred wrote:

does anyone know where modes get there names from? they were all ancient places, but i don't know why they are called what they are.



They were named in ancient greece, by a great man whose name escapes me... And I only heard who named them earlier today!


yeah, I know a lot of these are islands in The Iliad or The Odessey

They are all named after the seperate cultures that made them. For instance the Ionian mode was made by the Greek colonists living on the Ionian coast of Turkey. These Greeks were part of a larger group which included the Athenians, called the Ionians. The Dorian Mode was named after the Spartans, who were originally made up of 5 Dorian tribes. Get the picture?
Good lesson. got to watch the details though. In the part at the beginning where you explain diatonics, you call an Fb major scale ( or E major) an F# major scale. This makes it confusing for novices and people learning modes for the first time. This kind of thing happened often, but overall still worth a 9/10. good work
     
Jarvis1980 wrote on 11/19/2007 - 05:00 am / quote |
difitzio wrote:

There goes the most comprehensive guitar theory lesson you will ever see rolled into one!
Question though... I am learing modes and can play the 7 modes in the key of C. Was I wrong to say that when playing some lead in the key of C you just use those one of those modes to suit like-
Phrygian E F G A B C D. OR do you play all from the root C and pick your mode from there to suit the music- so if it was some spanish music youd use phrygian starting from C like-
C Db Eb F G Ab Bb C
If anyone has the answer to this it would be good!


E Phrygian is the same scale as C Major. So, if you want a Spanish sound in the key of C you will have to play C Phrygian.
All of the modes derived from the C Major scale will obviuosly have exactly the same notes of that scale eg. D Dorin E Phrygian A Aeolian etc.
The best way to work out the mode you want to use the list of intervals and start from the root you want.
Ionian Mode 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1
Dorian Mode 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 1
Phrygian Mode 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 1
Lydian Mode 1 2 3 #4 5 6 7 1
Mixolydian Mode 1 2 3 4 5 6 b7 1
Aeolian Mode 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 1
Locrian Mode 1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7 1
I hope this helps. I think i'm right, it's been a while
     
lung assault wrote on 11/19/2007 - 11:06 am / quote |
excellent lesson man, very well done!!! this really helped clear up a few black spots!!! awesome!!!
     
JMG wrote on 11/25/2007 - 11:38 pm / quote |
rojomeansred wrote:

does anyone know where modes get there names from? they were all ancient places, but i don't know why they are called what they are.


The modes were named after the Greeks tribes that played them. Example: the Aeolians made the Aeolian scale. The modern versions of the modes are a little different then the originals of he greeks though. They got chnaged as they became the church modes.
     
C.C. Deville wrote on 11/27/2007 - 08:35 pm / quote |
amaziong, this is the best modes lesson here now haha
     
Wulver wrote on 11/27/2007 - 11:22 pm / quote |
wow, this is amazing. I don't have much of a grasp on theory yet, but this really makes sense to me. Thank you so much, sir.
     
Metal_Ibanez_89 wrote on 11/29/2007 - 02:34 pm / quote |
Very nice dude. I like how it described the 7 modes. However the chord progressions are confusing to me.
     
For ODIN1031 wrote on 11/30/2007 - 10:34 pm / quote |
A question. You can make a mode from any scale?
     
Page/Rhoads wrote on 12/03/2007 - 03:43 pm / quote |
Man, too much crap to memorize. Who cares?
     
squier_4_life wrote on 12/03/2007 - 06:20 pm / quote |
branny1982 wrote:

very useful article.

just a note, you have quite few errors on the roman numerals at the end of the article.
a major is depicted with a capital numeral I
a minor is depicted with a lower case numeral i.

good work.


I think the article was probably written in Word, so everytime he wrote "i" it got capitalized. You'll notice he says things like "we change 'I' to 'I'". In cases like that, I'd assume the first i was supposed to be lower case, but it was capitalized by Word or some other spell check. Other than that, amazing lesson!
     
squier_4_life wrote on 12/03/2007 - 06:21 pm / quote |
Ok I don't know why it double posted... but sorry about that
     
k4i wrote on 12/06/2007 - 08:03 pm / quote |
Dnalrafcmb3 wrote:

Metalhead3333 wrote:

rojomeansred wrote:

does anyone know where modes get there names from? they were all ancient places, but i don't know why they are called what they are.



They were named in ancient greece, by a great man whose name escapes me... And I only heard who named them earlier today!

yeah, I know a lot of these are islands in The Iliad or The Odessey

Pythagoras.
     
harrythehobo123 wrote on 12/08/2007 - 01:11 am / quote |
you did an awesome job explaining that...I really like how to start off with a simple example and then give a difficult one. I'm also gonna have to copy down some of your tables

thanks
     
the1nonlycrazi wrote on 12/10/2007 - 06:41 pm / quote |
actually I just did a school project on the modes... the original greek modes were hypodorian, dorian, hypophrygian, phrygian, hypolydian, lydian, hypomixolydian, and mixolydian... although the ionians were named after the ionian league that lived in ionia... the greeks didnt use that modes its just named after one of the four main leagues... same with the aeolians ... which was know as aeolia on the continent of anatolia back in way old greekish times! and the locrian mode was named after a tribe locris aka the locrians which contained two districts and the eastern one we know of only because homer talks about ajax whose from locris... but not so much the western locrains... the dorians were named after the dorian league the league that SPARTA was from... the phrygians werent greek... neither were the lydians infact they were part of asia minor... so not all the modes are named after the greeks although they may be greek modes... its just lydia and phrygia associated with the greeks...
     
the1nonlycrazi wrote on 12/10/2007 - 06:43 pm / quote |
and no pythargoras did not name the modes...
     
Kentris.5 wrote on 12/13/2007 - 10:22 am / quote |
the1nonlycrazi wrote:

actually I just did a school project on the modes... the original greek modes were hypodorian, dorian, hypophrygian, phrygian, hypolydian, lydian, hypomixolydian, and mixolydian... although the ionians were named after the ionian league that lived in ionia... the greeks didnt use that modes its just named after one of the four main leagues... same with the aeolians ... which was know as aeolia on the continent of anatolia back in way old greekish times! and the locrian mode was named after a tribe locris aka the locrians which contained two districts and the eastern one we know of only because homer talks about ajax whose from locris... but not so much the western locrains... the dorians were named after the dorian league the league that SPARTA was from... the phrygians werent greek... neither were the lydians infact they were part of asia minor... so not all the modes are named after the greeks although they may be greek modes... its just lydia and phrygia associated with the greeks...


Just so you know, back then, and even until recenty decades many of the people living in Anatolia (ie Asia Minor, or Turkey) were Greek. If you've ever heard of something called the Byzantine Empire, which was the Greek speaking Eastern half of the Roman Empire which lasted until the 1400's, then you'd know that indeed, Greeks were residing in that region for quite some time. In fact, it was during the Balkan Wars that Greeks were kicked out by the Turkish government, and vice versa, and that was only at the end of the 19th century, which is pretty recent historically speaking.
     
nickwentinsane wrote on 12/18/2007 - 10:04 pm / quote |
lol,I am greek, and my family is Greek, and I think its awesome that you know some pretty acurate Greek history kentris.5, but do note that the text book doesn't tell the whole story. The Turks and Greeks have been going at it for ever, so the end result of the Balkan Wars was not quite as suprising as one might be led to believe. Greeks have always hated Turks and vice versa. My own last name Vosdoganis comes from the name of a turkish village. The name was Stephanopolis or something to that effect before, but after a small group of a few hundred soldiers or so had conquered the small village there whole company inhereted the last name of the city they had conquered when they returned to Greece. Don't mean to go off on a tangent, but I guess my point is that a lot of Turks hate Greeks and a lot of Greeks hate Turks.

OH, and aweosme lesson on modes, the olny thing that seems to confuse me is the scale alterations from the beggining of the article. For example the part about altering the D Major scale to a D dorian, isn't the D dorian based on the C major scale just played starting on the second degree of the scale, so why are the alterations needed for the modes?
     
rojomeansred wrote on 12/19/2007 - 02:04 pm / quote |
the1nonlycrazi wrote:

actually I just did a school project on the modes... the original greek modes were hypodorian, dorian, hypophrygian, phrygian, hypolydian, lydian, hypomixolydian, and mixolydian... although the ionians were named after the ionian league that lived in ionia... the greeks didnt use that modes its just named after one of the four main leagues... same with the aeolians ... which was know as aeolia on the continent of anatolia back in way old greekish times! and the locrian mode was named after a tribe locris aka the locrians which contained two districts and the eastern one we know of only because homer talks about ajax whose from locris... but not so much the western locrains... the dorians were named after the dorian league the league that SPARTA was from... the phrygians werent greek... neither were the lydians infact they were part of asia minor... so not all the modes are named after the greeks although they may be greek modes... its just lydia and phrygia associated with the greeks...


Sparta actually have much to do with the Dorian league although they were Doric people.

and pythagoras figured out the mathematical equations for music he didn't name any of them.....just what I found in the little research I did, but thanks for all the helpful answers everyone!
     
munky797 wrote on 12/21/2007 - 02:49 pm / quote |
In the very beginning of this articl about enharmonics he uses the F# Major scale as an example, I believe that scale has 6 sharps. It mus just be a type o but it could cause so confusion among beginners. Did anyone else notice this?
     
munky797 wrote on 12/21/2007 - 03:32 pm / quote |
Metalhead3333 wrote:

Woah, I got lost at the major modes

Is a perfect interval a note which is neither sharp nor flat?

This is fun, learning all this stuff, even though it's so god damned tedious. Great lesson, it's really helping me along.

10/10.
A perfect interval would be a fourth or a fifth. example a fifth is the shap made by a two note power chord. a fourth is the shape used in the tuning of guitars(with the exception of the G-B, that's a major third). an example of this would just be hitting you e and A string simultaneously. The last perfect interval is the octave or 8th. All of these are called perfect because when these two notes or "intervals" are hit in unision they create a "perfect" sound i.e. there is no dissonance
     
cortez0 wrote on 12/24/2007 - 11:45 am / quote |
nice lesson! thanks for explaining
     
EhudH wrote on 12/24/2007 - 06:56 pm / quote |
this lesson helped me a whole lot man!!!
thnx dude wish you would post more lesson on other subjects in the future
     
EhudH wrote on 12/24/2007 - 07:02 pm / quote |
P.S.
Do i need to remember every mode on every root of the quint circle (C,F,Bb,Eb,Ab,Db,Gb,B,E,A,D,G)i.e. knowing all the notes of every scale in all the possible pitches or is it enough just to remember the intervals and the flats and sharps really really good???
     
.pip. wrote on 12/30/2007 - 09:04 pm / quote |
Enharmonics the same as chromatic intervals?
     
.pip. wrote on 12/30/2007 - 09:07 pm / quote |
*Are enharmonics the same as chromatic intervals?
     
MetalD00d wrote on 01/03/2008 - 02:58 am / quote |
Logz, Love your work dude!
For me, you've managed to explain Modes and Chord progressions in exactly the right way. It all just clicked in place nicely.

Others have asked for you to go into more details on feelings of modes. People you have to experiment by yourselves, what do YOU think each of the modes express? Have a play around with the Phrygian mode, do you really need someone to tell you its Spanish sounding?

Props Logz!
     
Bob Wood wrote on 01/05/2008 - 10:34 pm / quote |
Great lesson! I learned a lot and understood it all. I may have to review for a while, but excellent all the way around. Thanks!

Bob
     
Nephellim wrote on 01/06/2008 - 12:55 am / quote |
Excellent lesson!
     
fenderbender_1 wrote on 01/07/2008 - 09:13 pm / quote |
nice lesson
     
Dirty Rocker. wrote on 01/09/2008 - 01:03 am / quote |
Wow. I stumbled upon this article, and was completely floored. I've been a musician all of my life, and picked up a guitar about 13 years ago, but until now, had no idea what modes were. Thanks!
     
mouldysandwich wrote on 01/15/2008 - 10:10 am / quote |
you sir are a genius. awesome lesson!
     
nido wrote on 01/18/2008 - 11:15 pm / quote |
Understood ,,,Nice lesson!!!
     
joshjebl wrote on 01/22/2008 - 10:25 am / quote |
thnks great lesson you just gave me the tools to progress i have been confused for years
     
dodee wrote on 01/24/2008 - 04:37 pm / quote |
hjkhjkj
     
dodee wrote on 01/24/2008 - 04:41 pm / quote |
sorry about my last comment, i waz just testing something...
anyway, great lesson, i just started guitar in the holidayz so i cant get lessons from school (which iz where im gonna get them from,cuz u get to miss classes)so in the meantime im learning on UG and its helped me a lot although some lessons are quite misleading an d it sux when u think you finally understand it only to find out that the lesson was wrong...
but this lesson is reallly good thx!!!!!
     
johnstamos wrote on 02/03/2008 - 02:30 am / quote |
yeah, really good lesson; great for anyone who knows modes but doesn't know how to use them
     
 Logz   m   wrote on 02/04/2008 - 06:49 am / quote |
Hmm, this was ment to be the second lesson.
There still the first one to be accepted and also a 3rd one i believe.

Ill get onto Dyuha about accepting them
     
AmplifySilence wrote on 02/04/2008 - 06:05 pm / quote |
GREAT lesson, i was actually looking for an answer and the lesson contained it, thanks a bunch.
     
JIMMY PAGEII wrote on 02/04/2008 - 06:48 pm / quote |
IT WAS STATED IN THE BEGINING OF THIS LESSON THAT THE FIRST FRET OF THE ''B'' STRING IS A ''C'' AND THAT IT IS ALSO A B#. ''THERES NO SUCH THING AS A B#.,PAGE
     
deathpidgeon wrote on 02/07/2008 - 09:56 pm / quote |
good job mr. logz
     
Jawshuwa wrote on 02/10/2008 - 10:00 pm / quote |
JIMMY PAGEII wrote:

IT WAS STATED IN THE BEGINING OF THIS LESSON THAT THE FIRST FRET OF THE ''B'' STRING IS A ''C'' AND THAT IT IS ALSO A B#. ''THERES NO SUCH THING AS A B#.,PAGE


Yes, there is. "C" and "B#" (or "Cb" and "B") are enharmonics, just as "E#" and "F" (or "E" and "Fb") are enharmonics.

They're not generally written as such in music, for reasons that I cannot remember, so for simplicity's sake, let's go with "there's no such thing as B#."
     
 Logz   m   wrote on 02/12/2008 - 09:17 am / quote |
^ Exactly
     
gdavid wrote on 02/15/2008 - 03:01 am / quote |
thanks .. it was very usefull :P
     
nghienviec wrote on 02/16/2008 - 05:29 am / quote |
Great lesson! I tried many times trying to not to get confused with modes and scales and progressions I guess this time it kinda clicked in now. Thanks a bunch!!!
     
teh_Beatles wrote on 02/17/2008 - 12:57 pm / quote |
Im not done reading...

But this possibly the best lesson ever on UG.

Epic win.
     
hippiecat78 wrote on 02/22/2008 - 03:55 pm / quote |
Dude the lesson totally rocked.. i too ka lil schooling from a friend about modes.. memorized them all but didnt get the jist of how to apply them.This was the filler i was missing from all those lessons.. you are such a help here.. rock - on!~!
     
silverplate wrote on 02/24/2008 - 05:52 am / quote |
Dead solid perfect.
     
lumpy890 wrote on 02/24/2008 - 09:49 am / quote |
Good job man, this is probably the best article I've ever read. I've been studying modes since the dawn of time and I learned a few things, thanks alot.
     
Destroying Ange wrote on 02/26/2008 - 10:36 am / quote |
pretty goo dthanks I lerned Alot
     
teknotard wrote on 03/04/2008 - 01:10 pm / quote |
Just as a note. The chord Roman numerals are a bit wrong. Locrian would be spelled.

i° II iii iv V VI7 vii

You only capitalize the Roman numerals in figured bass when they are major and lower case in minor. But other then that looks good
     
teknotard wrote on 03/04/2008 - 01:13 pm / quote |
of course i should have said i° (b) II (b)iii iv (b)V (b)VI7 (b)vii
     
Macan wrote on 03/14/2008 - 07:47 am / quote |
What a lesson!
     
devilex121 wrote on 03/15/2008 - 04:33 am / quote |
looks rather complicated but explained perfectly
     
anuj291 wrote on 03/17/2008 - 03:28 am / quote |
excellent content thanx a lot
     
democritus wrote on 03/26/2008 - 03:38 am / quote |
nice one! thanks
     
rokstar666 wrote on 04/02/2008 - 06:02 pm / quote |
Great lesson!!!! All I'd like to add is that it's usful to study the modes in order of descending brightness; by which I mean playing the modes in order of how many modifications each has to Ionian...ie. mode with one flat (Mixolydian b7), then the mode with two flats (Dorian b3 b7) and so on. Then you see that it is not the spoon that bends....
     
Antipolitik wrote on 04/06/2008 - 01:28 am / quote |
Super lesson... best I've read ever. Thanks!
     
filthylittleboy wrote on 04/08/2008 - 02:23 pm / quote |
locrian mode has a minor third
Dorian 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 1
Phrygian 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 1
Aeolian 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 1
Locrian 1 b2 b3 4b5 b6 b7 1
     
filthylittleboy wrote on 04/08/2008 - 02:27 pm / quote |
munky797 wrote:

In the very beginning of this articl about enharmonics he uses the F# Major scale as an example, I believe that scale has 6 sharps. It mus just be a type o but it could cause so confusion among beginners. Did anyone else notice this?


yeah;
Father
Charles
Goes
Down
And
Ends
Battle!

E## is F# so you are correct

except that F# is the root of the phrygian mode of D major

i love this stuff
     
nickwentinsane wrote on 04/12/2008 - 05:33 pm / quote |
JIMMY PAGEII wrote:

IT WAS STATED IN THE BEGINING OF THIS LESSON THAT THE FIRST FRET OF THE ''B'' STRING IS A ''C'' AND THAT IT IS ALSO A B#. ''THERES NO SUCH THING AS A B#.,PAGE
yah there is, and its enharmonic with C
     
nickwentinsane wrote on 04/12/2008 - 05:36 pm / quote |
when i had read this before, i didnt get it, now its starting to make a whole hell of a lot of sense, i finally get the modes!!!!!
     
gunsnroses2503 wrote on 04/20/2008 - 12:15 am / quote |
I learnt more just then about modes..
Then i have in 7 years of playing
all i can say is i love you
     
Joahem wrote on 04/22/2008 - 10:26 pm / quote |
Modes are the way of new life.
and this explains very well
     
DrGeorge wrote on 04/25/2008 - 09:18 pm / quote |
You deserve a Ph.D. for this lesson. Very well explained with theory mixed with practical application. What more could a guitarist want.
Thank you
     
DrGeorge wrote on 04/25/2008 - 09:19 pm / quote |
You deserve a Ph.D. for your explanation of Modes. The article defined theory mixed with practical application of Modes. Thank you for the wonderful work.
     
 Logz   m   wrote on 05/04/2008 - 06:55 pm / quote |
Thanks
     
LesPaulfreak15 wrote on 05/13/2008 - 10:48 pm / quote |
that lesson rocked i never understood modes before
     
Jungebez wrote on 05/18/2008 - 08:07 am / quote |
ty. well written lesson on modes
     
havaball wrote on 05/18/2008 - 06:32 pm / quote |
It was a kind of a good lesson for rookies, but there was a B#(C-because there are no sharps of flats between b and c or e and f) that must have confused people. It was good,but a video would most likely help those without modal knowledge understand how simple borrowing from these tones can be. Srry to knock it?
     
havaball wrote on 05/18/2008 - 06:32 pm / quote |
It was a kind of a good lesson for rookies, but there was a B#(C-because there are no sharps of flats between b and c or e and f) that must have confused people. It was good,but a video would most likely help those without modal knowledge understand how simple borrowing from these tones can be.
     
master nights wrote on 05/21/2008 - 01:12 pm / quote |
thank u but i think its hard for others people who they dont anything about guitar
     
axeshredder99 wrote on 05/22/2008 - 04:48 pm / quote |
when are they ever gonna make new lessons? :-/
     
 Logz   m   wrote on 05/27/2008 - 06:52 am / quote |
havaball, the notes B# and Cb / E# Fb do exist, they're used to create diatonic scales, they're just not seen that often.

Master nights: This lesson was designed for people who understand some theory, and understand how to play guitar, yet want to increase their knowledge of modes and how they work.


Axeshredder99: I have already submitted 2 other modal lessons (part 2 and part 3), however they've not been updated since 2007. Im as anxious to get them online as everyone else
     
Bryan C wrote on 06/01/2008 - 02:30 am / quote |
Awsome. I have long known that my chord progressions make no theory-sense; this has, along with secondary-dominants or what ever they are called, helped explain some of this. Aparently I write alot of stuff in Mixolydian. thanks.
     
Token_17 wrote on 06/14/2008 - 08:22 pm / quote |
does anyone know where i can find like,
what fret F# C B...
well all of them
Ive been looking foa long freakin time
and I'd apreciate it a crapload if you helped me
     
DOMR28 wrote on 06/20/2008 - 12:12 pm / quote |
Token_17 wrote:

does anyone know where i can find like,
what fret F# C B...
well all of them
Ive been looking foa long freakin time
and I'd apreciate it a crapload if you helped me

Try web.forret.com, under Music there is a guitar neck simulator that will show this in standard and open tunings
     
Gabysguitar wrote on 06/24/2008 - 01:42 pm / quote |
ok, this perfect. All i have to di is study, Thanxs!!!!
     
Nilzstar wrote on 07/05/2008 - 06:15 am / quote |
Nice nice ^^
     
Ditto100 wrote on 07/13/2008 - 03:00 pm / quote |
its a great post for someone who knows exactley what you are talking about . But for the beginner its a lot of what ? who ? where ? when ? abc's and 123's do not equate into how do i play this .
I go up and down the frets knowing the note and or chord , but how does that create a song. They sound good here and sometimes there.....however without putting it together as a whole what is it ? for us old people who's memories come and go have a hard time figuring out this note that not equals this one over here...where is the simpleness of playing simple notes and or chords to produce the tone of the song . I can strum a few chords all over the frets , but not all of them sound good over over the frets . and abcdefga1234561 does mean much to someone who is truley music UNinclined . And trying to start and learn, from nothing . I'm sure its a great post for some .
     
KurtCobain9898 wrote on 07/14/2008 - 09:24 pm / quote |
too dense for me man. explain in one sentence.
     
 Logz   m   wrote on 07/16/2008 - 10:31 am / quote |
Ditto100 wrote:

its a great post for someone who knows exactley what you are talking about . But for the beginner its a lot of what ? who ? where ? when ? abc's and 123's do not equate into how do i play this .
I go up and down the frets knowing the note and or chord , but how does that create a song. They sound good here and sometimes there.....however without putting it together as a whole what is it ? for us old people who's memories come and go have a hard time figuring out this note that not equals this one over here...where is the simpleness of playing simple notes and or chords to produce the tone of the song . I can strum a few chords all over the frets , but not all of them sound good over over the frets . and abcdefga1234561 does mean much to someone who is truley music UNinclined . And trying to start and learn, from nothing . I'm sure its a great post for some .


It should make sense if you read it from beginning to end thoroughly. I wrote it for beginners.
     
fob12 wrote on 07/18/2008 - 11:51 pm / quote |
This is really really really awesome dude. Thanks to YOU I know some music theory now and I'm on my way to getting started. This is the ONLY article that made me finally understand about this stuff.


Question though, with those chord progressions and modal progressions you were talking about, let's say I want to do a progression in C Lydian, do I need to follow the notes that are in C Lydian, or is the modal progression simply just for making the song the way you want it to sounds with the "happy or sad" kind of stuff?
     
ernie123 wrote on 07/20/2008 - 08:00 pm / quote |
Thanks for a great lesson!! You cleared up alot of things i was confused with!
     
PoopChute wrote on 07/22/2008 - 01:28 am / quote |
ok so im new so forgive the question but if you follwed one mode, say dorian, and go through all the root notes would you overlap into another mode and the other modes' diff root notes ie say Dorian in root E could be same as A moxolydian and a F# phryigian etc. and so forth. If it does work out like that could you learn one mode scale and make music from there w/ different keys to music.
     
PoopChute wrote on 07/22/2008 - 01:31 am / quote |
o And another how many scales and what scales and modes shoul a d person try to remember. how do the pros like kirk do it do they follow one or two style for every album or switch up modes. sorry if ti sound stupid but i dont really know
     
fob12 wrote on 07/22/2008 - 03:25 pm / quote |
PoopChute wrote:

ok so im new so forgive the question but if you follwed one mode, say dorian, and go through all the root notes would you overlap into another mode and the other modes' diff root notes ie say Dorian in root E could be same as A moxolydian and a F# phryigian etc. and so forth. If it does work out like that could you learn one mode scale and make music from there w/ different keys to music.
Yes. If E Dorian is the same as F# Phygian and so on, then you can learn the mode, and when there's a song in a key, you can play that scale in that key, but you have to watch out and see if what you want to play, is major or minor and if the key of the song is major or minor. Get it?
     
zombiekangaroo wrote on 07/31/2008 - 11:51 pm / quote |
i got about halfway through, then i just lost it completly
     
xXErikaXx wrote on 08/01/2008 - 06:27 pm / quote |
...thanks u sooo much! guitar lessons are waayy to expensive for me to pay for, so im teaching myself..this really helped! thanks again!!!
     
Shillaker wrote on 08/29/2008 - 10:23 am / quote |
This is awesome, the only simple straightforward explanation of the links between scales, modes and chords I could find on the internet. Cheers
     
adarsh_cool1 wrote on 09/06/2008 - 09:52 am / quote |
brilliant dude...iv also noticed that you emphasized on modes as individual ..hum.. modes..rather than just being a plain derivative of a major scale ..10!
     
new_guitar wrote on 10/26/2008 - 11:23 am / quote |
great lesson!!!!!
     
Juppen wrote on 10/30/2008 - 01:25 pm / quote |
Great lesson man!! I couldn't learn anything from the mode lessons!!
     
Juppen wrote on 10/30/2008 - 01:26 pm / quote |
*from the other mode lessons
     
VikingMetalhead wrote on 11/21/2008 - 12:19 pm / quote |
Probably the best theory lesson on the internet! Thanks man!
     
VikingMetalhead wrote on 11/21/2008 - 12:19 pm / quote |
(I mean regarding modes and that basic stuff)
     
kevC4 wrote on 11/26/2008 - 09:25 pm / quote |
ThIs IS F*CKING USEFULL!!!
     
Fender1424 wrote on 11/30/2008 - 05:25 pm / quote |
Awesome lesson. This is helping me so much. 10/10
     
Sean999 wrote on 01/01/2009 - 07:43 pm / quote |
Wow, definitely one of the best lessons here.

Thanks a lot! Music theory is actually quite simple once you understand it!
     
kolmesting wrote on 01/24/2009 - 01:44 am / quote |
thnx! that was great! now i understand how it works...
     
Kornum93 wrote on 01/29/2009 - 04:14 pm / quote |
Dude really an awesome lesson taugh me alot. So thanks
     
FFTLxx wrote on 01/31/2009 - 10:44 am / quote |
This is my 3rd full read of this lesson.
And I can now comfortably say that I understand everything mentioned in this lesson.
     
nainatugal wrote on 03/29/2009 - 03:41 am / quote |
wow! tnx man.. this is really a good lesson.. No i'm beginning to really understand modes..
     
TriviumFan717 wrote on 06/10/2009 - 07:59 pm / quote |
Actually there are 4 perfect intervals
-Perfect Unison
-Perfect Fourth
-Perfect Fifth
-Perfect Octave
munky797 wrote:

Metalhead3333 wrote:

Woah, I got lost at the major modes

Is a perfect interval a note which is neither sharp nor flat?

This is fun, learning all this stuff, even though it's so god damned tedious. Great lesson, it's really helping me along.

10/10.
A perfect interval would be a fourth or a fifth. example a fifth is the shap made by a two note power chord. a fourth is the shape used in the tuning of guitars(with the exception of the G-B, that's a major third). an example of this would just be hitting you e and A string simultaneously. The last perfect interval is the octave or 8th. All of these are called perfect because when these two notes or "intervals" are hit in unision they create a "perfect" sound i.e. there is no dissonance
     
rkp1992 wrote on 06/17/2009 - 11:21 am / quote |
awsome lesson! i have a question though. so if you are soloing with an ionian chord progression do you have to solo using the ionian mode?
     
demonized2k7 wrote on 06/29/2009 - 03:24 am / quote |
please help, what mode shud i use if i was playing a,c#,and d chords, like when the chord is a, i can use the ionian in a, then when it changes to c#, shud i use ionian in c#, or phrygian in a?which is by the way same notes as a... how do i resolve what modes to play durimg chord patterns...
     
BTKA wrote on 08/18/2009 - 06:26 am / quote |
Awesome, just what I needed! Cheers great lesson.
     
daniel_raziel wrote on 09/04/2009 - 06:57 pm / quote |
very useful...!
tnx a lot.
but I have a question..!
if I want to play in C key with dorian mode I should play the D E F G A B C D ?
or C dorian with: C D bE F G A bB C ?
     
welby wrote on 10/09/2009 - 08:58 am / quote |
Very Nice
Thank you.
     
welby wrote on 10/09/2009 - 08:58 am / quote |
Very Nice
Thank you.
     
MrSnowman wrote on 11/10/2009 - 06:12 am / quote |
Hey great lesson 4 thumbs up!
     
bulger2503 wrote on 12/27/2009 - 09:30 pm / quote |
daniel_raziel wrote:

very useful...!
tnx a lot.
but I have a question..!
if I want to play in C key with dorian mode I should play the D E F G A B C D ?
or C dorian with: C D bE F G A bB C ?


You would play D Dorian not C as you are playing in C major not Bb Major.
     
Be-Kind-Rewind wrote on 12/31/2009 - 02:03 am / quote |
Thanks for the awesome lesson man. You helped me figure out the rest of what I needed to know about modes.
     
kalyo27 wrote on 05/08/2010 - 01:17 am / quote |
Wait, so when I wanna solo over a song in the key of C Major and a chord progression of C Am F G, I should start my solo with the note C(to apply the C ionian mode) while the chord C is being played, then start another riff with the note A(to apply the A aeolian mode) when Am is playing then start another riff with the note F (F Lydian mode) and so on... or do I only use 1 mode in that song(which is? C Ionian?) ?
     
gunsnroses#1 wrote on 01/21/2011 - 12:44 pm / quote |
great read i just have one stupid question...
if D dorian is from the C major scale, is it in the key of C, or D? Can you use D dorian to improvise over a C chord?
like i said kind of a stupid question i just wanna know 4 sure.
     
danielber34 wrote on 03/25/2011 - 09:26 pm / quote |
Thank you so much! Great lesson
     
mantiz wrote on 07/16/2011 - 11:48 am / quote |
glad I found this.. thanks alot man
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