[Comments] Latest Comments from Ultimate-Guitar.Com. en-us Copyright 1998-2013 Ultimate-Guitar.Com. All rights reserved. http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html webmaster@ultimate-guitar.com Tue, 10 Jan 2012 09:35:46 -0500 Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:24:59 -0500 60 Ultimate-Guitar.Com http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/img/logo_rss.gif http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/ 144 44 http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html#u_1
at the drive in's station is now operational and refused aren't ****in' dead!
POSTED: 01/10/2012 10:08am]]> Comments Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:08:55 -0500 http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html#u_2 POSTED: 01/10/2012 11:17am]]> Comments Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:17:04 -0500 http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html#u_3 POSTED: 01/10/2012 11:21am]]> Comments Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:21:53 -0500 http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html#u_4 POSTED: 01/10/2012 11:30am]]> Comments Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:30:21 -0500 http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html#u_5 POSTED: 01/10/2012 11:31am]]> Comments Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:31:00 -0500 http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html#u_6 POSTED: 01/10/2012 02:34pm]]> Comments Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:34:39 -0500 http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html#u_7 all time (as the teaser under the headline states).

A good way to measure something's significance is to completely remove it, and note whether it makes a difference. How does their presence compare to their non-presence?

Those genres/the music industry/the world was practically the same both before and after these bands' existence, as well as during. The only major signicance to either of these bands' existence is that The Mars Volta would probably not have existed otherwise.

Therefore, they've had little impact.
Therefore, they're not the most significant bands of their era/genre.
Therefore, they're not the most significant bands of all time.

There's nothing wrong with them. I just don't see the point in going around, telling people that a sparrow is a bald eagle.
POSTED: 01/10/2012 03:06pm]]> Comments Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:06:52 -0500 http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html#u_8
Therefore, they had a huge impact (alright, refused I could give or take by ATDI were game changers), one of the biggest bands of 2000/2001, and a defining emo/post-hardcore act.

That's why I wrote the teaser line the way I did. That, and to draw people in who might be too young to know what they were about.
POSTED: 01/10/2012 04:27pm]]> Comments Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:27:06 -0500 http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html#u_9 POSTED: 01/10/2012 04:29pm]]> Comments Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:29:17 -0500 http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html#u_10
I still can't jump on-board with calling them two of the most significant punk acts of all time, but they definitely fit better into that category than just a broad sweep of all artists, ever.

For clarity, the teaser on the news page says, "two of the most significant acts of all time," and the article starts out as, "two of the most significant rock acts of their era."

The second one is much, much, much, much, much more plausible, although still a quite bit of a stretch, in my eyes.
POSTED: 01/10/2012 05:19pm]]> Comments Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:19:48 -0500 http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html#u_11
When I first heard "One Armed Scissor" after it came out, it was unlike anything I'd ever heard before. I didn't like it much at first, but after it grew on me, ATDI became one of my favorite bands. I spent much of my teenage years listening to bands like them and many of the past-hardcore/emo bands that came out in their wake, and I also backtracked and discovered a lot of great bands like Sunny Day Real Estate and Fugazi because of ATDI. So I owe a lot to them.
POSTED: 01/10/2012 05:44pm]]> Comments Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:44:31 -0500 http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html#u_12 slaveskinJACKET wrote:

Lol. Goths turned into emus.

I still can't jump on-board with calling them two of the most significant punk acts of all time, but they definitely fit better into that category than just a broad sweep of all artists, ever.

For clarity, the teaser on the news page says, "two of the most significant acts of all time," and the article starts out as, "two of the most significant rock acts of their era."

The second one is much, much, much, much, much more plausible, although still a quite bit of a stretch, in my eyes.I'm with you on this one, for I have never heard of either of the bands.
POSTED: 01/10/2012 06:04pm]]> Comments Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:04:44 -0500 http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html#u_13 POSTED: 01/10/2012 06:54pm]]> Comments Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:54:07 -0500 http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html#u_14 slaveskinJACKET wrote:

Sorry, but you could argue that either one of these bands were even that significant in their era (as the article states), but there is no debate as to whether they're two of the most significant bands of all time (as the teaser under the headline states).

A good way to measure something's significance is to completely remove it, and note whether it makes a difference. How does their presence compare to their non-presence?

Those genres/the music industry/the world was practically the same both before and after these bands' existence, as well as during. The only major signicance to either of these bands' existence is that The Mars Volta would probably not have existed otherwise.

Therefore, they've had little impact.
Therefore, they're not the most significant bands of their era/genre.
Therefore, they're not the most significant bands of all time.

There's nothing wrong with them. I just don't see the point in going around, telling people that a sparrow is a bald eagle.

You'd be stupid to think this as they were bands before their era's and still continue to shape the minds of young musicians around the world.

To say they are not significant is utterly idiotic as for one the post-hardcore/punk scene would not be as popular today without these two bands as they were the bridge for fans of rock into heavier music.

Please get your head out of your arse one day soon mate.
POSTED: 01/10/2012 07:12pm]]> Comments Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:12:50 -0500 http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html#u_15 UGtom wrote:

goths were officially replaced with 'emus' - kids dressed in black, with little understanding of their real musical heritage.

I for one would love to see goths replaced with emus, seeing Australia's largest bird getting down at a marilyn manson concert would be hilarious.
POSTED: 01/10/2012 08:34pm]]> Comments Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:34:35 -0500 http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html#u_16 Really UG? This is a new low
POSTED: 01/10/2012 08:49pm]]> Comments Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:49:50 -0500 http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html#u_17 POSTED: 01/10/2012 11:53pm]]> Comments Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:53:54 -0500 http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html#u_18 SGofawesome wrote:I'm with you on this one, for I have never heard of either of the bands.
Why are you here, then?
Trollas gunna troll.
POSTED: 01/11/2012 12:10am]]> Comments Wed, 11 Jan 2012 00:10:50 -0500 http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/at_the_drive-in_and_refused_officially_reform.html#u_19 POSTED: 01/13/2012 11:24am]]> Comments Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:24:59 -0500