Apple Rejects NIN iPhone App

Apple has rejected an update of the Nine Inch Nails iPhone update, saying that is contains "objectionable content".

Frontman Trent Reznor posted the news on Twitter over the weekend saying: "Apple rejects the NIN iPhone update because it contains objectionable content. The objectionable content referenced is "The Downward Spiral"."

Reznor then took to his band’s website to reveal the email sent by Apple, detailing the content that the company deems unsuitable for the app.

According to Apple, the app is in violation of Section 3.3.12 from the iPhone SDK Agreement that bans "obscene, pornographic, offensive or defamatory content or materials of any kind (text, graphics, images, photographs, etc.), or other content or materials that in Apple's reasonable judgment may be found objectionable by iPhone or iPod touch users."

Reznor openly responded to the email, comparing the situation to one he had with Wal-mart several years ago.

"What do you want us to change to get past your stupid fucking standards? And while we're at it, I'll voice the same issue I had with Wal-Mart years ago, which is a matter of consistency and hypocrisy. Wal-Mart went on a rampage years ago insisting all music they carry be censored of all profanity and "clean" versions be made for them to carry. Bands (including Nirvana) tripped over themselves editing out words, changing album art, etc to meet Wal-Mart's standards of decency - because Wal-Mart sells a lot of records. NIN refused, and you'll notice a pretty empty NIN section at any Wal-Mart. My reasoning was this: I can understand if you want the moral posturing of not having any "indecent" material for sale - but you could literally turn around 180 degrees from where the NIN record would be and purchase the film ”Scarface" completely uncensored, or buy a copy of Grand Theft Auto where you can be rewarded for beating up prostitutes. How does that make sense?"

"You can buy The Downward Fucking Spiral on iTunes, but you can't allow an iPhone app that may have a song with a bad word somewhere in it. … Come on Apple, think your policies through and for fuck's sake get your app approval scenario together."

Nine Inch Nails are currently gearing up for a co-headlining tour of North American with Jane's Addiction, kicking off May 8 in West Palm Beach, FL.

Thanks for the report to Nme.com.

Comments

[Kelicon]

LoL. To hear such a huge Apple supporter say this just made my day. Can't stand those *******s. +1 Trent

[Quicksand15]

he's is so right, it's hilarious!

[AJWOLFTill]

Go Trent!!

[blindfatkid23]

pwnd

[Flaming Chaos]

somebody is annoyed because people cant buy his app and give him more money...

[redvetteZ06]

Apple = the new MS.

[jetfuel495]

Damn Apple to hell! I was looking forward to the update!

[jetfuel495]

Flaming Chaos wrote:

somebody is annoyed because people cant buy his app and give him more money...

The app was for free, man. Get your facts straight.

[PabloGilberto]

Flaming Chaos wrote:

somebody is annoyed because people cant buy his app and give him more money...

Nil points to you.
As much as I don't like NiN, Trent knows when to knuckle down and sort things out.
Such as when the record companies were trying to over charge for his album, and he told people to download it illegally.
He's a spokesperson for the moderm musician. Why should we have our art chopped and changed?
Did Free Speech become illegal?

[DOPLIC]

I like NIN and all that, but as of recent, any news about Trent is just him raging about something....

[Metallicaloveu]

Hilarious.

[jetfuel495]

jcthomasva wrote:

A NiN app? What does it actually do? Why would anyone pay for it? If its so great, why can't you put it on your own website, presumably where your target customers can most easily find it? Why should you be annoyed by a private enterprise's self-enforced quality standards? Don't you have your own standards of what you will and will not do? Why do you feel the need to incorporate profanity into your music, when you know full well it will draw criticism and invite censorship? Don't you know any words that more accurately and creatively convey your thoughts and emotions?

Self-important buffoon.

First off, it's like a mobile version of the NiN website, including access to their forums, messages, photos, live videos (official and unofficial), access to other members in your area, and news updates.

No, nobody pays for it. It's completely free, if you read my other post.

You can't put an iPhone app on your own website and have people put it on the phone themselves, at least without modding. Most average iPhone users aren't into that. The best way to get the most exposure is through the App Store.

He's annoyed by the standards because he feels they are hypocritical. Of course he has his own standards, and none of us are in a position to question them.

Why question the reasons why he incorporates profanity?Aren't we free to say what we want to?

That is all.

[Surfer Rosa]

F----ck yeeeeah!

[uncleSam1]

Kelicon wrote:

LoL. To hear such a huge Apple supporter say this just made my day. Can't stand those *****s. +1 Trent

+1

[Andragon]

He's got a point bout lyrical censorship. Come to think of it, he's got a point bout almost every topic mentioned in the NIN articles.

[dgme92]

Trent Reznor is one seriously cool dude. He never shys away from speaking his mind, and damnit, I agree with him.

[jetfuel495]

And I find it funny how they'll approve an app that simulates an assault rifle before they'll approve an app that contains profanity.

[Winsbury]

whatever his reasons, he could of at least be man enough to reply with a mature response. I understand he was probably annoyed and whatever, but he should still be mature and proffesional about it.

[rancidryan]

if i was apple id refuse to sell there cds after that too

[jetfuel495]

Winsbury wrote:

whatever his reasons, he could of at least be man enough to reply with a mature response. I understand he was probably annoyed and whatever, but he should still be mature and proffesional about it.

I doubt Apple will approve anything from him anymore :P

[Comeback Kiddd]

Has Reznor considered running for president '12?

[t3hrav3n]

OnspringFan wrote:

NIN sucks. Trent Reznor is an emo faggot with 0 talent and is just pissed off because the Apple Corporation doesn't like his shitty excuse for music. Talking over a beatbox is not rock n roll, I'm sorry.

Mm, you're mature, aren't you big boy? Grow up. I don't like his music, but he has a valid point which you seemed to miss entirely.

[ColdbringeR]

Lotz222 wrote:

He is now the most annoying person ever, i can't wait till someone puts that douche in his place. This guy probably thinks he is a role model and a fighter of the free world but in reality he looks like a little child. This guy needs to grow up for real.

I know what you mean. It's really annoying when someone selfrighteously voices their opinions online as if anyone cares.

[GiantRaven]

chris14579 wrote:

all this guy ever does is bitch and complain

Theres a lot to bitch and complain about in the world...

[clasp]

Not a NIN fan, huge Apple fan, but **** that. Trent is spot on and completely correct.

[DarkSonata]

it may have been free...but he definitely would've made loads of money off it directly and indirectly so I would say he's a little upset about that.

And yeah, wasn't a very mature response...almost self-righteous

[m0o]

why is reznor so desperate for a NIN app?

checked. Kindly voice your opinions as opinions.

[rootbeerjuice]

While I respect Mr. Reznor and appreciate the points he makes, I feel like I would have more respect for him if he stood up for other bands. It seems that he starts having issues with people right after they somehow get in the way of NIN, and, no matter how ingenious or noble his remarks are, that makes him sound like he's whining about his problems rather than trying to fix the music industry. And, coupled with the fact that we only hear from him when he's angry, this can make him seem overly self-righteous and self-centered.

[aeroledtallica]

Although I hate the man, and think he is a self absorbed *******, I can't help but agree with just about everything he had to say, esspecially in regards to Wal-Mart. Rated R movies, and M games can be bought, but music with "bad words" can't? It's bullshit, plain and simple.

[guitaringnathan]

rootbeerjuice wrote:

While I respect Mr. Reznor and appreciate the points he makes, I feel like I would have more respect for him if he stood up for other bands. It seems that he starts having issues with people right after they somehow get in the way of NIN, and, no matter how ingenious or noble his remarks are, that makes him sound like he's whining about his problems rather than trying to fix the music industry. And, coupled with the fact that we only hear from him when he's angry, this can make him seem overly self-righteous and self-centered.

i was kinda thinking something like that along those lines as i read this. and what does he have against nirvana?

[cambo187]

I understand Reznor's argument about Wal-Mart, not allowing CDs with explicit content but then selling DVDs and video games with the same explicit content is pretty damn hypocritical. In fact, the DVDs and video games could be considered even worse since it's visual and not just auditory like music lyrics.
However, Apple's app approval system is not really in that same category. Any little kid with an iphone/ipod touch can download any free app in minutes, so good for them for trying to keep profanity out of kid's lives(as if it's not in it already). Reznor's argument is kinda weak when he says that you can dl vulgar music on iTunes, but can't have explicit material in apps. Under the assumption that Apple is trying to protect kids, his argument is weak because the average kid has to have permission/money from his or her parents to BUY a song from iTunes, whereas they don't need anyone's permission/money to dl a FREE app. It boils down to a matter of availability.
But, this seems like an easy fix for Apple. Apple should have mature content apps that parents can block their kids from dl'ing if they put some sort of block on their account. Sounds easy enough, right?
Other than that, Reznor's the man, and he keeps it so real he should've been on one of those Chappelle's Show skits.

[smash119]

guitaringnathan wrote:

rootbeerjuice wrote:

While I respect Mr. Reznor and appreciate the points he makes, I feel like I would have more respect for him if he stood up for other bands. It seems that he starts having issues with people right after they somehow get in the way of NIN, and, no matter how ingenious or noble his remarks are, that makes him sound like he's whining about his problems rather than trying to fix the music industry. And, coupled with the fact that we only hear from him when he's angry, this can make him seem overly self-righteous and self-centered.

i was kinda thinking something like that along those lines as i read this. and what does he have against nirvana?

I don't think he has anything against Nirvana. I think he was just using them as a classic example of Walmart's history of censorship.

As for Trent being a douchey self-righteous blowhard, I don't really see it that way. He is one of the more unusual types who will call them like he sees them and will put his money where his mouth his. I have no doubt that he saw the NIN app as something fun for fans, and given the largely public support he shows for Apple, he is no doubt disappointed. UG is also missing an additional response that Trent has made on this topic. http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/trent-reznor-thra shes-iphone-for-app-approval-policy-but-just-too-much/

[seveninsign]

m0o wrote:

why is reznor so desperate for a NIN app?

it's not only him, it's a lot of his fans who have iphones who want it. also, he probably either put a lot of work into it, or paid to have someone else do it, and in not being able to present that work to the people who want it, it must feel like a huge slap in the face.

[sottpwn]

Trent is God.

[Badmotorfever]

cambo187 wrote:

I understand Reznor's argument about Wal-Mart, not allowing CDs with explicit content but then selling DVDs and video games with the same explicit content is pretty damn hypocritical. In fact, the DVDs and video games could be considered even worse since it's visual and not just auditory like music lyrics.
However, Apple's app approval system is not really in that same category. Any little kid with an iphone/ipod touch can download any free app in minutes, so good for them for trying to keep profanity out of kid's lives(as if it's not in it already). Reznor's argument is kinda weak when he says that you can dl vulgar music on iTunes, but can't have explicit material in apps. Under the assumption that Apple is trying to protect kids, his argument is weak because the average kid has to have permission/money from his or her parents to BUY a song from iTunes, whereas they don't need anyone's permission/money to dl a FREE app. It boils down to a matter of availability.
But, this seems like an easy fix for Apple. Apple should have mature content apps that parents can block their kids from dl'ing if they put some sort of block on their account. Sounds easy enough, right?
Other than that, Reznor's the man, and he keeps it so real he should've been on one of those Chappelle's Show skits.

...but said kid has, presumably, access to a computer, dvd player, games console..what is to stop this kid putting on scarface, or playing gta (lets assume he grasps the operations of these machines). I'm sure as a kid you'd rather watch a movie than trawl unknown internet sites. I mean really, how exciting is iTunes to kids? Probably not very, especially if they were looking at NIN.

However, Trent seems to have turned into quite the whiney bitch lately. First ripping Cornell for doing something different, then this. The only thing Trent did differently was to put up 2 free albums on NIN.com and get Grohl in for drum duties on With Teeth (and since then use an actual band rather than do it all himself).

[cukd7x-a2-]

What do you want us to change to get past your stupid ****ing standards?

no, they wont to only carry appropriate content in their apps store...

you know, if it werent for music, I think trent reznor would have been homeless by high school

[JKingXbassX]

i dont like NIN at all, but this just made me gain some respect for trent.

[threedaysgrace9]

Trent is amazing, and I love how people whine about him whining. They don't realize they whine more. I'd be pissed if my fans couldn't get what I put out for them too. As for Trent ripping Cornell, Cornell shouldn't have sucked.

Trent whines about real problems, you all whine about Trent, I whine about you all, and I'm sure you all will come back to whine about me. Vicious circle? Get over it. Trent's the only one with a reason to be pissed.

[Screech1989]

jetfuel495 wrote:

Flaming Chaos wrote:

somebody is annoyed because people cant buy his app and give him more money...The app was for free, man. Get your facts straight.

Plus it reportedly cost him about $100,000 to develop it.

[Weave]

I like Trents music for the most part but man he complians about everything. Nothing makes this guy happy.

[Kastöm]

Never listened to NIN, never liked em. But every time Reznor opens his mouth he couldn't be more right. Kudos to you Trent.

[druz15_UG]

This man is a legend and a visionary. Even If you don't love his music you got to respect what he stands up for. He has so many amazing ideas about getting music out to people and rewards his fans so much.

[jetfuel495]

cukd7x-a2- wrote:

What do you want us to change to get past your stupid ****ing standards?
no, they wont to only carry appropriate content in their apps store...

you know, if it werent for music, I think trent reznor would have been homeless by high school

Actually, he was a janitor, and that was after high school, I believe. Maybe he'd still be one.

[masterchief44]

dgme92 wrote:

Trent Reznor is one seriously cool dude. He never shys away from speaking his mind, and damnit, I agree with him.

+1 Agreed.

[masterchief44]

Winsbury wrote:

whatever his reasons, he could of at least be man enough to reply with a mature response. I understand he was probably annoyed and whatever, but he should still be mature and proffesional about it.

To me,
"mature" and "professional" would be to use this "profanity" - this strong language - and know that people shouldn't get upset about it. There is nothing wrong with strong wording.

[masterchief44]

Kastöm wrote:

Never listened to NIN, never liked em. But every time Reznor opens his mouth he couldn't be more right. Kudos to you Trent.

Eh, NIN are okay to me. Pretty cool, but not one of my favorites.
But again, agreed.

[Musefan161]

I love Apple but man do they fail beyond epically here. +100million for Trent!

[guitarman47]

as a side note, trent should seriously run for president. i think we could get alot accomplished with him in office. i agree with the man 110% though when he mentioned all the stuff about grand theft auto, scarface, etc

[mrfinkle213]

-applause-

[Technician]

I think apple and wal-mart are ingenius companies and such but He has a really good point here. Althought probably nothing big will happen, maybe someday... this will be just a small step in changing the music industry foreverrrrr... in these 2 companies.

[jetfuel495]

masterchief44 wrote:

Winsbury wrote:

whatever his reasons, he could of at least be man enough to reply with a mature response. I understand he was probably annoyed and whatever, but he should still be mature and proffesional about it.

To me,
"mature" and "professional" would be to use this "profanity" - this strong language - and know that people shouldn't get upset about it. There is nothing wrong with strong wording.

Unless, of course, this strong wording offends the same people trying to provide for you. It seems as if Trent is biting the hand that feeds.

[D. Hero]

Niice!
Way to go Trent, tellin' like it is.
He definitely has a point, I can see what Apple and Wal-Mart are saying, but they're contradicting themselves righteously. So in the case of Trent Reznor and Apple, Inc.
Trent Reznor ftw.

[ninjagayden777]

jetfuel495 wrote:

Unless, of course, this strong wording offends the same people trying to provide for you. It seems as if Trent is biting the hand that feeds.

I couldn't help but lol about that...

[ThatWouldBeJon]

sad but true glad somones standing up to the issue. its also sad because if this was some little gangster rapper or whatever they would prolly get away with it, but no rocks' gettin kicked down by the man once again...

[shwilly]

Bands (including Nirvana) tripped over themselves editing out words, changing album art, etc to meet Wal-Mart's standards of decency - because Wal-Mart sells a lot of records

I don´t see why Trent had to toss in that "Including Nirvana" bit. First of all, how could a band that isn't around anymore "trip over itself to meet Wal-Mart's standards".

2nd of all: the members who survived don't own the rights to any of the material in the nirvana catalogue (I read their share was like 1% or something) so they obviously had very little to do with the decision of editing the back cover of In Utero or lyrics to Rape Me. And why would they? Hell, these were the same guys who played the first bit of that same song at some MTV award show just to freak out the producers

I like Trent but he should realize that the same thing could happen to him someday: what if Universal obtained full creative control over his back catalogue after he died (you bet they have the lawyers) and then some snotty wiseguy from an Emo-Punk revival band started blasting NIN for being sellouts over YapMe (which is like the Twitter of the future, only even lamer)...

[jetfuel495]

ThatWouldBeJon wrote:

sad but true glad somones standing up to the issue. its also sad because if this was some little gangster rapper or whatever they would prolly get away with it, but no rocks' gettin kicked down by the man once again...

Really now? And I assume that when Wal-Mart refused to carry the new Nas CD unless he changed the title that he was just "getting away with it?"

Don't make assumptions.

[Restlesscow]

These are strict high standards from a company that released a "Baby shaking" game (Self explanitory...shake the phone/in game baby to get it to stop crying). They will release stuff like that but ban this.. Don't make sense to me, Apple seems to be controlled by idiots.

[ThatWouldBeJon]

jetfuel495 wrote:

ThatWouldBeJon wrote:

sad but true glad somones standing up to the issue. its also sad because if this was some little gangster rapper or whatever they would prolly get away with it, but no rocks' gettin kicked down by the man once again...
Really now? And I assume that when Wal-Mart refused to carry the new Nas CD unless he changed the title that he was just "getting away with it?"

Don't make assumptions.

i was more reffering to the apple rejection not specificly the walmart issue

[Fenderlicous]

Never a big fan of NIN, but man is this true!!! Speak the truth!!!!

[TatarSalad2]

I don't get it. Why would fans of NIN be offended by NIN? People who aren't fans of the band aren't going to be downloading the app. I think this is where common sense outrules those stupid terms of service or whatever the hell they are. I'm not really a fan of NIN, but this is outrageous. He has a huge point with Walmart as well, saying how music needs to be censored, but you can go in there and buy a copy of GTA without any problems.

[jetfuel495]

ThatWouldBeJon wrote:

jetfuel495 wrote:

ThatWouldBeJon wrote:

sad but true glad somones standing up to the issue. its also sad because if this was some little gangster rapper or whatever they would prolly get away with it, but no rocks' gettin kicked down by the man once again...
Really now? And I assume that when Wal-Mart refused to carry the new Nas CD unless he changed the title that he was just "getting away with it?"

Don't make assumptions.

i was more reffering to the apple rejection not specificly the walmart issue

Apple rejects a lot of apps, actually. To assume that a "gangster rapper" would get away with a profane app is just... I don't even know. Wrong?

[SideshowRaven24]

I think, looking at the big picture, that censorship has gone way too far over the past ten years or so. Kids are being sheltered from so many things that will most likely not harm them in the least. If the kids can't take music as purely music, then that is a different psychological issue altogether.

I bought the downward spiral when I was 12 years old. I think I turned out fine. It's just music. Music about real-life struggles

[mattel362]

DOPLIC wrote:

I like NIN and all that, but as of recent, any news about Trent is just him raging about something....

because Trent isn't going around hyping up his works or talking about how excited he is about being in the recording studio. his news is actually interesting.

[c-rob6422]

uncleSam1 wrote:

Kelicon wrote:

LoL. To hear such a huge Apple supporter say this just made my day. Can't stand those *****s. +1 Trent

+1

+ 69

[hoondog]

boom shakalaka!!!! **** apple

[Bighair]

**** apple, but I don't agree with him saying shit about other bands. Nirvana own NIN anyday.

[4evermetal]

hahahaha holy crap Trent Reznor is hilarious

[TheWickerMan666]

Surely anyone who enjoys NIN has already been exposed to the material that Apple are censoring? And anyone who doesn't enjoy NIN, well, why would they want the app?

Trent Reznor made some really valid points here. I think censorship is ridiculous: if someone knows what something is/means then there's no point censoring it, 'cause it won't change anything. If they don't know what it is, then what harm's it doing?

As an example; if a child who is completely unaware of what sex is sees pornography, they won't see it as rude or inappropriate, as they won't know what it is. There're so many social taboo's nowadays they parents and society try to shelter children/people from things, which just makes it worse when they find out.

Ancient Greeks used to walk around naked, and it did them no harm. Now you get arrested for taking your shirt off in your front garden, and a child doesn't know what a penis is until they're 12. It's all ridiculous.

People who say that Trent's being stupid to have a go at Apple about this, or be upset at all: wouldn't you be annoyed if something you'd put time, effort and money into was rejected for no suitable reason whatsoever?

[/rant]

[Warheart1188]

I can see where he's coming from. That's the only problem I have with Apple is their App policy. I mean, there's a Dane Cook App for iPhone and we all know how obscene Mr. Cook can be sometimes.

[skyfire322]

iplayguitar666 wrote:

god i hate trent reznor. if all you morons who are still in high school didn't worship everything he does maybe he would come to realize that his shit stinks too. his music has gotten so shitty that he has to get publicity for himself by "sticking it to the man"

If you hate him so much, why did you waste your time reading the article and posting such a beautiful response?

[Warheart1188]

It all comes down to this:

If you can use your iPhone to Google pornography and whatnot, what's the big deal for having an App that has some obscenity?

[joker_thief]

want to shake a baby to death? there's an app for that.

[lopezmetalmunky]

Frankly, this is what the concept album of Year Zero was about. Fighting against censorship and things such as immorality all born from Trent's mind. But the fact of the matter is that these little skirmishes are not going to change things.

It will take a massive movement among artists that are popular to boycott Wal*Mart. And since they don't seem to be moving things along, it will probably be a very long time. And for those of you saying Trent is after money, please do notice that Trent isn't changing their app. And that means they ARE losing money.

If anything is stated within the subcontext of the subcontext here, it's that one should steal their music so they can recieve it, unedited and free. Those little plastic discs are just like the the 8 tracks of the past: they are becoming obsolete, like all technology does. And those of you that have had the wool pulled over their eyes by the basic needs of companies that need money in a recession need to further both your economical and governmental education.

That will be all.

[Mr.Tea]

that was pretty awesome

[SeEsAw12]

This isn't infringing on Reznor's free speech rights at all, If apple wants to lose money because of this then F**k Apple lol

[jetfuel495]

TheWickerMan666 wrote:

Surely anyone who enjoys NIN has already been exposed to the material that Apple are censoring? And anyone who doesn't enjoy NIN, well, why would they want the app?

That's probably one of the most valid posts I've seen today. Just that part.

[Ulalume]

I hate NIN, however I am beginning to like Trent more and more.

[gerbil_mastr]

Warheart1188 wrote:

It all comes down to this:

If you can use your iPhone to Google pornography and whatnot, what's the big deal for having an App that has some obscenity?

lol that will be the next thing to go and +5000 to trent. even though i'm not a NIN fan, we need more people like you out there these days

[Renfordoggz]

This is the same apple who allowed an app where you shake a baby to kill it and they censor "explicit" words?....

Another check.

[JohnnyRye]

Words are getting way too much credit for influencing kids... But just a question: Do CD's have age-restrictions in the US? Because, if they haven't, I can see why WalMart would want to censor the music, but not the movies and games, which both has this kind of censorship from the main distributor...

[NightEmbers]

blindfatkid23 wrote:

pwnd

lol even though i've never used this word, +1

sad to see NIN and MAC going at since i love both of em but oh well

[Jezza40]

Just as I clicked on the article "We're not gonna take it" by Twisted Sister came on. Best article/song combo ever.

[Jezza40]

*on my Last.FM

[Lionheart2390]

I think NIN is "ok" (key word there) and I love my iPhone, so I'm not going to be completely biased toward one side or the other.

But seriously, when I started reading the article I was thinking, "Okay, he's showing us the TOS for the App Store. Showing why it wasn't allowed."

And then he flips. Seriously, if the content didn't meet the guidelines (which it didn't...that's obvious) then it shouldn't be on the AS. Hence why it didn't get approved.

I like Trent, but he seems to be whining to much nowadays.

[Survivalism]

For what it's worth, Wal-Mart can't regulate the sale of music like you can with movies and games that have a clearly imposed ratings system. Just because a CD doesn't have a parental advisory sticker doesn't instantly mean it's not offensive. No, you can't buy an R-rated movie or an M-rated game underage, but there's no age restriction on music, even albums with warning labels.

[Survivalism]

Also, let us not forget that Apple just released a baby-shaking simulator a while ago.

[lopezmetalmunky]

Survivalism wrote:

For what it's worth, Wal-Mart can't regulate the sale of music like you can with movies and games that have a clearly imposed ratings system. Just because a CD doesn't have a parental advisory sticker doesn't instantly mean it's not offensive. No, you can't buy an R-rated movie or an M-rated game underage, but there's no age restriction on music, even albums with warning labels.

I would much rather have to show my ID to buy music. It would be so much easier and so much more free than limiting my music to inserting the word "Waif me" instead of "Rape me" by Nirvana. God, that annoyed me more than putting the word "Fruit" in for "F**k"

[BoxMonster]

+1

[slipmaggot93]

lopezmetalmunky wrote:

Survivalism wrote:

For what it's worth, Wal-Mart can't regulate the sale of music like you can with movies and games that have a clearly imposed ratings system. Just because a CD doesn't have a parental advisory sticker doesn't instantly mean it's not offensive. No, you can't buy an R-rated movie or an M-rated game underage, but there's no age restriction on music, even albums with warning labels.

I would much rather have to show my ID to buy music. It would be so much easier and so much more free than limiting my music to inserting the word "Waif me" instead of "Rape me" by Nirvana. God, that annoyed me more than putting the word "Fruit" in for "F**k"

or weezer's "We are all in love" instead of "on drugs."

[breadstick]

Wal-Mart is made of fail.

[RaKooN13]

dont ya just love all the hypocrisy in the world?
im glad trent pointed all that out, its so true. I've actually pondered that same thing for some time. Why sell censored albums while selling movies and games choc full of violence and obscenity? im all with him on this.

Star****ers 4 Life

[Shakalum]

god. does he EVER stop bitching? how old is that guy now?

[Subcide]

I would like to mention that the content shown in my Safari browser violates ALL kinds of obscene content regulations

[Kevguy47]

wait, whats wrong with "the downward spiral"? theres not even anything that offensive in that

[Ninjamonkey767]

Kevguy47 wrote:

wait, whats wrong with "the downward spiral"? theres not even anything that offensive in that

o rly?

[reggiew42]

love trent reznor

[Guitar_Jester]

Kevguy47 wrote:

wait, whats wrong with "the downward spiral"? theres not even anything that offensive in that

"...I want to **** you like an animal..."

[wobneb]

joker_thief wrote:

want to shake a baby to death? there's an app for that.

lol

[Guitar_Dan_666]

Trent 1, Apple 0

[darklink927]

Too damn right! *applause*

[korn_dawg]

The objectionable content referenced is "The Downward Spiral".

But don't worry, all other albums are apparently okay by Apple! The Only Time, Wish, Star****ers, Sunspots; all of these are perfectly acceptable songs on fine, upstanding albums :P

[trivium036]

Why the **** dont walmart just not sell cd's with 'parental discretion' on them to minors. problem solved.
although i think trents point about gta & scarface is irrelivent. no way malmart would sell those to someone without ID. but then again that leads back to my first point.

it's dumb how i can walk into a shop and buy a cannibal corpse cd with lyrics about raping dead children and violently murdering people. but i cant buy a game like gta.

[cloud041089]

didnt apple accept that baby shaking app for a while? and then they reject some shit NIN might have? hah.

[COBHC_Erick429]

and i bet as the apple person read the email, his mouse slowly moved to the delete button, because he started to not give a shit.

he blew his chances on it maybe happening eventually, dumbass

[Dancing Jesus]

I think the real question is, what are little kids that might be offended by profanity doing with iPhones in the first place?

[riley714]

JKingXbassX wrote:

i dont like NIN at all, but this just made me gain some respect for trent.

+1

[ridinglightning]

I must say that he has a very god point with the censorship thing.

[ridinglightning]

I meant to say good. Typos suck.

[puppetmaster93]

Man I love people like Trent.

I can't believe Apple rejected it because of a few words. I hat ehow people are worried that other people will get offended, if you're gonna get offended DON'T download it!

And I hate how censorship turns into something controlling in the struggle to be "politically correct." It is because of this and other things that block us from the real world that children and teens become over-protected and grow to be whimps.

Someone needs to step up and say it how it is, and that starts with our respected larger figures in society, GO TRENT!!!

[EndOfNothing656]

you could literally turn around 180 degrees from where the NIN record would be and purchase the film ”Scarface" completely uncensored, or buy a copy of Grand Theft Auto where you can be rewarded for beating up prostitutes. How does that make sense?

That is sooo true!!! +100000

[ECH0PL3X]

Well said Trent. Love that guy. He has a lot of truth in his words when he vents out about the hypocrisy and problems in the music industry, even if he does seem like a self-absorbed a-hole.

Still, love the guy.

[BFAbassist306]

Flaming Chaos wrote:

somebody is annoyed because people cant buy his app and give him more money...

And i would first know more about Trent before saying that. He was the one who told everyone at one of his concerts to illegally download all of his music.

[hot fuzz juzz]

Flaming Chaos wrote:

somebody is annoyed because people cant buy his app and give him more money...

haha

[jetfuel495]

Maybe Trent should ditch the appstore altogether and go with Cydia. Then he wouldn't have to deal with Apple. That would be the ultimate slap in the face.

[atlasguitar]

Never been a huge NIN fan only because I haven't heard much but I am damn glad to see one big name musician have some set of morals and stick to them. Instead of bending what they believe in just make an extra buck.

Go Trent!

[lilypondkid2]

fight the power mr reznor

[crazymnm]

ColdbringeR wrote:

Lotz222 wrote:

He is now the most annoying person ever, i can't wait till someone puts that douche in his place. This guy probably thinks he is a role model and a fighter of the free world but in reality he looks like a little child. This guy needs to grow up for real.

I know what you mean. It's really annoying when someone selfrighteously voices their opinions online as if anyone cares.

Hahahaha, pwned

[pantericadeth]

I don't like NIN much.
But it does piss me off walmart wont cell "bad" music,
but sells scarface and such.
Plus i hate apple. +1 Trent!

[drewkilljoy]

I think he has a valid point. If you're going to censor anything (which I don't support in the 1st place), how about baby shaking apps or assault rifle apps or how about scarface? The only people going to download the NIN app are NIN fans. And to the guys saying he's an "emo bitch" or that he whines too much, why bother to post? Education on Mr. Reznor himself would probably help.

Checked.

[RadioMuse]

Reznor's one of the first musicians to understand the new frontier in music. The industry isn't going to work the way it has for the last century, he knows it: more power to him.

[SonOfSanguinus]

Why does everyone bring up GTA? >_

[jetfuel495]

SonOfSanguinus wrote:

Why does everyone bring up GTA? >_

Horrible game, extremely violent (as well as profane), and constantly sold to minors at Wal Mart and various other places. If I had to choose, I'd rather have my kids listening to uncensored music than playing a violent videogame.

[evilbeavil]

Flaming Chaos wrote:

somebody is annoyed because people cant buy his app and give him more money...

your talking about somebody that gave their last album away for free

[kmbuchamushroom]

Boils down to there is a rating system based on content for all other materials on the iTunes store except for apps. That means that they are allowing anyone to download any app, regardless of type. I can see him arguing for a rating system for the apps like the explicit label on music, but ragging on the openness of the system just doesn't make sense in this situation.

Besides, the goal of the app store isn't the same as the other media for sale. Its not really meant to be an outlet for creative works as much as a supplement to the iPhone product.

Nice try Trent

[ihavenoname93]

rancidryan wrote:

if i was apple id refuse to sell there cds after that too

not a chance. that would hurt apple almost as much as NIN

[jetfuel495]

ihavenoname93 wrote:

rancidryan wrote:

if i was apple id refuse to sell there cds after that too

not a chance. that would hurt apple almost as much as NIN

As funny as that would be, that's not possible. Apple has so many artists supplying music to them that taking NIN off wouldn't make too big of an impact. It might, however, make a bigger impact on NIN.

[SonOfSanguinus]

jetfuel495 wrote:

SonOfSanguinus wrote:

Why does everyone bring up GTA? >_Horrible game, extremely violent (as well as profane), and constantly sold to minors at Wal Mart and various other places. If I had to choose, I'd rather have my kids listening to uncensored music than playing a violent videogame.

touche', although there are a far lot worse out there (Manhunt, Postal...)

[CaTeArS]

thank you Reznor for pointing out more hypocritical things about the world

[200tommo791]

Trent for the win.

[jetfuel495]

SonOfSanguinus wrote:

jetfuel495 wrote:

SonOfSanguinus wrote:

Why does everyone bring up GTA? >_Horrible game, extremely violent (as well as profane), and constantly sold to minors at Wal Mart and various other places. If I had to choose, I'd rather have my kids listening to uncensored music than playing a violent videogame.

touche', although there are a far lot worse out there (Manhunt, Postal...)

Worse? Or bloodier? Resident Evil is a gorefest but at least it doesn't promote violence towards law enforcement.

However, games that do promote that kind if violence is what Trent is getting at, because so many kids play them. This whole issue sucks. There's worse things out their for our kids than a few NIN songs.

[Robert I.]

I've been an Apple guy for a long time, my brother was a media designer for a while, and he got me started, and since then I've always tried to stand up for Apple (although I've never owned an iPod (!)), but this is rediculous. Apple, you have failed me

[Raizer Sabre]

i dunno much about trent reznor himself, nor have i heard much nin, but nearly any interview i read with trent in it, he is quite clearly the absolute voice of reason in the music industry, hands down

[J450N]

It's true Apple do suck. They are a corporate only child on so many levels.

[izzy_dan]

Yeah it does seem hypocritical.

But it's up to Apple what they want to allow or not allow I guess.

[Brave Moonlight]

rofl.

[Bonorly]

While it may sound like he's going OTT, he does raise a fine point. In todays culture, cencorship is a thing of the past. We live in a sinful society where anything goes, and corporations like Apple just don't have the balls to submit to it.

[faint_spirit]

Bonorly wrote:

While it may sound like he's going OTT, he does raise a fine point. In todays culture, cencorship is a thing of the past. We live in a sinful society where anything goes, and corporations like Apple just don't have the balls to submit to it.

Absolutely! Because doing what everyone else is doing is always the right decision.

/sarcasm

[loganpwns]

trents never cared about his money, he's one of the few artists looking forward to the post-cd era. give the man credit.

[COBHC_Erick429]

BFAbassist306 wrote:

Flaming Chaos wrote:

somebody is annoyed because people cant buy his app and give him more money...

And i would first know more about Trent before saying that. He was the one who told everyone at one of his concerts to illegally download all of his music.

and since he lost a bunch of $$ by saying that he now wants some cash

[PedophilePriest]

Thanks for removing my post for calling you on your own hypocrisy.UG is all class.

[PedophilePriest]

Bonorly wrote:

While it may sound like he's going OTT, he does raise a fine point. In todays culture, cencorship is a thing of the past. We live in a sinful society where anything goes, and corporations like Apple just don't have the balls to submit to it.

When is Jesus coming to destroy all sinners?

[phasesevenfold]

Flaming Chaos wrote:

somebody is annoyed because people cant buy his app and give him more money...

dude he's pissed at the hypocricy of it all. Apple sucks and so does walmart

[JBShredMaster]

He's right .I'm not a big NIN fan but I like them.what Trent is saying is right.+1 to all you people who agree with this.why couldn't they put an explicit warning on it ? sometimes this world is crazy

[cigaro5676]

ColdbringeR wrote:

Lotz222 wrote:

He is now the most annoying person ever, i can't wait till someone puts that douche in his place. This guy probably thinks he is a role model and a fighter of the free world but in reality he looks like a little child. This guy needs to grow up for real.

I know what you mean. It's really annoying when someone selfrighteously voices their opinions online as if anyone cares.

obviously someone cares, mainly you otherwise you wouldn't have read it now would you?

[deadlyMETAL]

PabloGilberto wrote:

Flaming Chaos wrote:

somebody is annoyed because people cant buy his app and give him more money...

Nil points to you.
As much as I don't like NiN, Trent knows when to knuckle down and sort things out.
Such as when the record companies were trying to over charge for his album, and he told people to download it illegally.
He's a spokesperson for the moderm musician. Why should we have our art chopped and changed?
Did Free Speech become illegal?

+2.

New found respect for Trent Reznor and NIN, discovered on this day, May 5th, 2009, by Ultimate-guitar user deadlyMETAL.

[Axl_Explosion]

...but you could literally turn around 180 degrees from where the NIN record would be and purchase the film ”Scarface" completely uncensored, or buy a copy of Grand Theft Auto

That's not true! I went to my local Wal Mart and went into the music section and went to, alphabetically, where NIN would be. I stood up, turned 180 degrees and I all I could purchase was...

MORE MUSIC!

All lies, Mr. Reznor. If you're going to bitch and moan, make sure you get your facts straight first. And I don't know why he's worried about it, anyway. I mean...it's not like NIN does anything good anyway. They're about as identical in their songs as Pearl Jam or AC/DC is. I can't tell the difference between NIN songs until the chorus.