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Arch Enemy: 'Legalize Weed!'

artist: arch enemy date: 01/27/2012 category: general music news
rating: 6.5 / votes: 49 
Arch Enemy: 'Legalize Weed!'

Arch Enemy frontwoman Angela Gossow sung the praises of cannabis in a recent interview, explaining why she thinks it must be legalised.

"That’s what we do every evening; we listen to a bunch of records when we’re stoned, which is very good for musicians," she told Rocksalt "You get really into the music and understand the greatness of it."

In their native Sweden, the substance is illegal - but Angela gives credit to younger Swedes who have pushed for new legislation.

Cannabis, better known as weed, is derived from a plant and is often used medicinally to relieve pain. In some instances, it is used recreationally to produce sensory effects and induce relaxation.

While Angela considers the recreational drug to be harmless, she warns that it is not suitable for everyone.

"It doesn’t do any damage to people, except when you’re prone to paranoia and schizophrenia then you’ve got to actually see a doctor," Angela said. "For most people it’s very harmless, compared to hard liquor … I’d rather see a 16 year-old smoke a spliff than having a bottle of vodka in their hands."

Interestingly, Angela believes using cannabis has cured her asthma: "I use a vaporizer because it doesn’t irritate my throat at all and it helps my asthma a lot," she said. "Since I’ve been using weed, I haven’t had to use any of my steroid inhalers. It really relaxes the airways, opens it up."

Angela thinks the US government should stop wasting money on a war on drugs and use the savings to help fund education and healthcare - "... all these things that have a massive shortage in the US," she says.

UG spoke to a cannabis user to discover more about the substance. Describing its effect on music, they said, "Imagine a song with some cow bell. Now imagine being stoned to that, and hearing, like, twice as much cow bell."

What do UG readers think? Is it a means to unlock your creativity, or should musicians take care not to damage their gifted minds?

POSTED: 01/27/2012 - 09:50 am
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comments policy  225  comments posted
-1      
Metallicachris wrote on 01/27/2012 - 10:02 am / quote |
Smud!
+92      
Salvo416 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 10:27 am / quote |
I agree.. let people do what they want. This whole war on drugs is stupid.
+5      
L.T Kickass wrote on 01/27/2012 - 11:38 am / quote |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M58kGCQLwxU

This video pretty much explains my feelings on pot.
+47      
CSguitarvocal wrote on 01/27/2012 - 11:41 am / quote |
"I use a vaporizer because it doesn’t irritate my throat at all and it helps my asthma a lot," she said. "Since I’ve been using weed, I haven’t had to use any of my steroid inhalers. It really relaxes the airways, opens it up.


I gotta agree with her there. I had hardcore asthma as well when I start using weed, and I'm the same story. My inhaler just collects dust now.
-25      
strat0blaster wrote on 01/27/2012 - 11:43 am / quote |
"That’s what we do every evening; we listen to a bunch of records when we’re stoned, which is very good for musicians," she told Rocksalt "You get really into the music and understand the greatness of it."

If you can't understand music or be affected by it unless you're blunted, you're not a musician any more than someone who can't perform in a sport forum is an athlete without steroids.

Second, if the US really wanted a 'war on drugs,' they'd be helping Mexico deal with the cartel and trafficking issues that are severely hurting their people and taking a massive, negative toll on the land and culture. But the US doesn't, because there's no gain there like there was with oil in more recent years.

Third, with all the horrible, unjust things that are happening around the globe, people choosing to wage a ideological war of words and 'principle' based on something as big-picture insignificant as whether weed is legal or not shows little more than how spoiled they are.

If you're a musician, stick to making great music.
+89      
Vitor_vdp wrote on 01/27/2012 - 11:49 am / quote |
"Imagine a song with some cow bell. Now imagine being stoned to that, and hearing, like, twice as much cow bell."

That made my day.
+34      
Abacus11 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 11:55 am / quote |
"Cannabis, better known as weed" HAHAHAH
-21      
chrisvasco23 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 11:55 am / quote |
honestly, who cares. i think medicinal she has a point, if it helps chronic pain or asthma i see no reason to ease the pain. but the whole stoned to get to listen to records is kinda dumb
+95      
Municipal Waste wrote on 01/27/2012 - 11:58 am / quote |
strat0blaster wrote:

If you can't understand music or be affected by it unless you're blunted, you're not a musician any more than someone who can't perform in a sport forum is an athlete without steroids.



Okay, so Jimmy Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughan, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and countless other musicians and bands aren't "real" because they abused some substances to get them thinking out of the box?

Pardon me, but you sir are an idiot.
+54      
xicetraex wrote on 01/27/2012 - 11:59 am / quote |
Now she's even hotter.
+26      
Tonganation wrote on 01/27/2012 - 11:59 am / quote |
"In some instances, it is used recreationally to produce sensory effects and induce relaxation."

Right... Some instances...
+55      
HeavyMetalSonic wrote on 01/27/2012 - 12:01 pm / quote |
You don't need substances to see the beauty of music.
+10      
strat0blaster wrote on 01/27/2012 - 12:01 pm / quote |
Municipal Waste wrote:

strat0blaster wrote:

If you can't understand music or be affected by it unless you're blunted, you're not a musician any more than someone who can't perform in a sport forum is an athlete without steroids.



Okay, so Jimmy Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughan, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and countless other musicians and bands aren't "real" because they abused some substances to get them thinking out of the box?

Pardon me, but you sir are an idiot.


No, what I said was that if you are INCAPABLE of doing so without drugs.

/reading what was written.
+20      
zomgguitarz1234 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 12:05 pm / quote |
L.T Kickass wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M58kGCQLwxU

This video pretty much explains my feelings on pot.


I bet everyone who watched that just saw the title, and thumbed you down without even watching it.
-25      
leigh596 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 12:12 pm / quote |
Im 15 and weed is just a weekly routine. Weed is one of the least addictive things out there, and it can inspire you to do many things. It just makes me happy.
+17      
Iommianity wrote on 01/27/2012 - 12:13 pm / quote |
strat0blaster wrote:

"That’s what we do every evening; we listen to a bunch of records when we’re stoned, which is very good for musicians," she told Rocksalt "You get really into the music and understand the greatness of it."
If you can't understand music or be affected by it unless you're blunted, you're not a musician any more than someone who can't perform in a sport forum is an athlete without steroids.

Second, if the US really wanted a 'war on drugs,' they'd be helping Mexico deal with the cartel and trafficking issues that are severely hurting their people and taking a massive, negative toll on the land and culture. But the US doesn't, because there's no gain there like there was with oil in more recent years.

Third, with all the horrible, unjust things that are happening around the globe, people choosing to wage a ideological war of words and 'principle' based on something as big-picture insignificant as whether weed is legal or not shows little more than how spoiled they are.

If you're a musician, stick to making great music.


This implies that it's the weed or steroids doing the actual work. I've never met anyone who couldn't appreciate music without being high (even if they said as much), but if they wrote something objectively amazing, what grounds do I have to claim the high road? "Oh, you're not a real musician". That's fine, but they still used their ears to write something that engaged you.

Not the same thing as cheating in sports at all.
+12      
Lacebad wrote on 01/27/2012 - 12:16 pm / quote |
strat0blaster wrote:

"That’s what we do every evening; we listen to a bunch of records when we’re stoned, which is very good for musicians," she told Rocksalt "You get really into the music and understand the greatness of it."
If you can't understand music or be affected by it unless you're blunted, you're not a musician any more than someone who can't perform in a sport forum is an athlete without steroids.

Second, if the US really wanted a 'war on drugs,' they'd be helping Mexico deal with the cartel and trafficking issues that are severely hurting their people and taking a massive, negative toll on the land and culture. But the US doesn't, because there's no gain there like there was with oil in more recent years.

Third, with all the horrible, unjust things that are happening around the globe, people choosing to wage a ideological war of words and 'principle' based on something as big-picture insignificant as whether weed is legal or not shows little more than how spoiled they are.

If you're a musician, stick to making great music.


unless you can comprehend the level of enhancement and unlocking of subtle nuances that cannabis can bring to listening to a record, something that is already conceived of as an amazing experience, as well as the unfettered creativity, honesty and spontaneity it can bring about in playing you are blind and deaf to some of the greatest joys one can have in this life.

The very fact that you chose to use "steroids" a "performance ENHANCING drug" as a comparison speaks volumes.

In the words of Bill Hicks


"If you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor. Go home tonight. Take all your albums, all your tapes and all your CDs and burn them. 'Cause you know what, the musicians that made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Rrreal ****ing high on drugs. The Beatles were so high they let Ringo sing a few tunes"

you have
+17      
guitarlad89 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 12:17 pm / quote |
bullshit, as zappa says "taking drugs gives you the license to be an *******". You can comprehend how great something is without chemical stimulation....it's called thinking.
+15      
Shinozoku wrote on 01/27/2012 - 12:21 pm / quote |
chrisvasco23 wrote:

honestly, who cares. i think medicinal she has a point, if it helps chronic pain or asthma i see no reason to ease the pain. but the whole stoned to get to listen to records is kinda dumb
You've obviously never listened to Pink Floyd while high.
+8      
MiseryMonster wrote on 01/27/2012 - 12:23 pm / quote |
chrisvasco23 wrote:

honestly, who cares. i think medicinal she has a point, if it helps chronic pain or asthma i see no reason to ease the pain. but the whole stoned to get to listen to records is kinda dumb


no way, smoking increases musical creativity ( for me anyways) i find it easier to write riffs when im stoned more then when im not. listening to music while stoned just makes it sound 100X better.
     
Kreuger wrote on 01/27/2012 - 12:27 pm / quote |
Certainly explains Chris' solo album haha. I love it though.
+8      
ne14t wrote on 01/27/2012 - 12:28 pm / quote |
L.T Kickass wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M58kGCQLwxU

This video pretty much explains my feelings on pot.


Watch the video you idiots, and if you cant understand the joke then well you are either too high or not high enough!

There is a reason I pay out my ass to live in Vancouver, and its not because of the ocean or hot chicks
+7      
SkepsisMetal wrote on 01/27/2012 - 12:30 pm / quote |
strat0blaster wrote:

Municipal Waste wrote:

strat0blaster wrote:

If you can't understand music or be affected by it unless you're blunted, you're not a musician any more than someone who can't perform in a sport forum is an athlete without steroids.



Okay, so Jimmy Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughan, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and countless other musicians and bands aren't "real" because they abused some substances to get them thinking out of the box?

Pardon me, but you sir are an idiot.

No, what I said was that if you are INCAPABLE of doing so without drugs.

/reading what was written.


Except "incapable" or "impossible" were never mentioned in the article.
It is simply used to enhance.

/reading what was written
+9      
Iommianity wrote on 01/27/2012 - 12:32 pm / quote |
If it wasn't for overzealous pothead teenagers and Captain Buzzkills, we wouldn't be having an argument about the 'right' way to enjoy or write music. If someone's drug use is in no way, shape, or form an issue for you, shut up.

No one wants to hear your theories about the different levels of perception that contradict the reasons people have been doing mind altering drugs for centuries. And likewise, the average person thinks you're a douche for telling them they haven't appreciated their favourite album as well as you for not being high.
+56      
thePTOD wrote on 01/27/2012 - 12:37 pm / quote |
I don't smoke weed.

I don't like when people say you need to be high to enjoy and write good music.

If Arch Enemy does that, I don't care.

I just don't do drugs and I will keep it that way.
+8      
Bezza27 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 12:41 pm / quote |
Please for the love of god legalize all drugs. It will help the economy, and natural selection will progress a lot quicker. People take drugs, it's easier to get a hold of because its legal. People overdose, only the smart ones that won't pump there systems full of chemicals will survive.
     
Iommianity wrote on 01/27/2012 - 12:42 pm / quote |
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.ht ml
+20      
Eirien wrote on 01/27/2012 - 12:53 pm / quote |
There is no reason for weed to still be illegal. Angela is talking absolute sense, the war on drugs does much more harm than good. If it was legal it could be regulated, making it harder for children to get hold of and stopping it funding some pretty bad shit like terrorism. It would also increase tourism and it could be taxed, making a massive boom for the economy. But oh no, the government would much rather pocket the massive sums of cash that the pharmaceutical companies throw their way to keep it illegal. Most politicians are too loaded to care about the good of their country, and the ones that do care soon change when they get into power. I don't give a shit though, I'll smoke or vape weed every day whether it becomes legal or not.
+4      
SmittyMan90 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 01:03 pm / quote |
Sorry but pot may make music seem better, but if its good its good, you shouldnt have to be under the influence of it just to say that.
+8      
guitar7masta wrote on 01/27/2012 - 01:05 pm / quote |
strat0blaster wrote:
Third, with all the horrible, unjust things that are happening around the globe, people choosing to wage a ideological war of words and 'principle' based on something as big-picture insignificant as whether weed is legal or not shows little more than how spoiled they are.
you realize people are capable of focusing on more than one thing, right? only an idiot would generalize an entire movement by saying that is the only thing we care about or believe in.

SMH
-5      
deadlydictator wrote on 01/27/2012 - 01:06 pm / quote |
I love listening to music stoned. Like i watched the Crack The Skye movie mastodon put out. First time, sober. it was pretty cool. But then! I GOT HIGH AS FUCK AND WATCHED THAT SHIT! FUCK YES!
+3      
False_God wrote on 01/27/2012 - 01:06 pm / quote |
I'm sorry, but you don't need weed to appreciate the greatness of music.

I love weed tho and it definitely should be decriminalized every where. I don't know if society is ready for full blown legalization of it yet, but I reckon we are not too far off it.
Decriminalization is a good start anyway. Getting busted for a small amount of cannabis is a joke, it wastes resources and time when the authorities could be going after real criminals.
+5      
Eirien wrote on 01/27/2012 - 01:09 pm / quote |
SmittyMan90 wrote:

Sorry but pot may make music seem better, but if its good its good, you shouldnt have to be under the influence of it just to say that.


No one did. Weed makes the good things in life better and the bad things in life more tolerable.
+2      
guitar7masta wrote on 01/27/2012 - 01:14 pm / quote |
False_God wrote:

I'm sorry, but you don't need weed to appreciate the greatness of music.

I love weed tho and it definitely should be decriminalized every where. I don't know if society is ready for full blown legalization of it yet, but I reckon we are not too far off it.
Decriminalization is a good start anyway. Getting busted for a small amount of cannabis is a joke, it wastes resources and time when the authorities could be going after real criminals.
i agree completely. i wish weed advocates wouldn't bring up such dumb arguments like that.

"It helps me create music!" well good for you, but that isn't helping at all.

people against legalization view that as a crutch, and more importantly, and addiction.(though it isn't addictive, anybody that disagrees hasn't smoked it, period)
-1      
metal overlord wrote on 01/27/2012 - 01:25 pm / quote |
You tell em' Angela.
Everyone who says music is music whether your sober or not obviously has never expirienced it. What sort of arguement can you make, if you've never tried it? My musical brain becomes a musical monstrosity when I'm stoned, not only do you hear the music but you can feel every bit of it. The rhythm, the flow of it all, it sucks you into this world of greatness. Not condoning the use of it no non-users, but making a point saying theres no valid arguement unless you've expirienced it for yourself
     
Iommianity wrote on 01/27/2012 - 01:40 pm / quote |
guitar7masta wrote:

False_God wrote:

I'm sorry, but you don't need weed to appreciate the greatness of music.

I love weed tho and it definitely should be decriminalized every where. I don't know if society is ready for full blown legalization of it yet, but I reckon we are not too far off it.
Decriminalization is a good start anyway. Getting busted for a small amount of cannabis is a joke, it wastes resources and time when the authorities could be going after real criminals.i agree completely. i wish weed advocates wouldn't bring up such dumb arguments like that.

"It helps me create music!" well good for you, but that isn't helping at all.

people against legalization view that as a crutch, and more importantly, and addiction.(though it isn't addictive, anybody that disagrees hasn't smoked it, period)


If you're against legalization, you don't care one way or another what people are using weed for. Saying it helps you create music is as much a valid reason as saying it makes you feel good, so I don't know what you're getting at. If you're for legalization, you don't have to be an apologist.
+4      
GameSkate wrote on 01/27/2012 - 01:42 pm / quote |
I don't like when people say you need to be high to enjoy and write good music.

I hate it too. If you can't write good song without drugs - you failed at beign musican.
+3      
Nirvana00125 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 01:42 pm / quote |
The amount of ignorant pro-pot posts has destroyed the faith I still had in UG users.

I'm not going to debate weed being legal or illegal. Whether you use drugs or not, weed is a drug that should be legalized and if you can't see reasons why(other than "pot makes you feel good and "enhances the mind" bullcrap) then you should do some research into how much the US spends on their drug war(btw: estimates are between 30-60% of the drug war is specifically weed, which is pretty sad)

That being said, this whole "weed enhances your music experience" is also stupid. I like my share of "weird" music and being under the influence of any drug has never changed my experience when it comes to music(with the exception of acid but that's an entirely different sort of feeling and experience). IF you need a drug to "really understand the music" then you're a pretty bad "musician". I can get all the ins and outs and various sounds on Frank Zappa's Freak Out! and Pink Floyd's DSOTM(two well known psychedelic rock influenced albums) without being high, if anything I get into it more while sober.

Oh, and Arch Enemy are self professed "metalheads" who listen to mostly heavy metal music. If you need weed to "understand" heavy metal music....well let's just say there's a reason Arch Enemy has progressively gotten worse over the years.
+2      
Concurssi wrote on 01/27/2012 - 01:43 pm / quote |
Can someone explain to me why, if weed isn't addictive, when stoners run out of weed, they'd gladly take a horse's cock up the ass if it got them some more of god's miracle herb?
+4      
LinkinParkOakle wrote on 01/27/2012 - 01:44 pm / quote |
"See, I think drugs have done some *good* things for us, I really do. And if you don’t believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a Favor: go home tonight and take all your albums, all your tapes, and all your cd’s and burn em’. 'Cause you know what? The musicians who’ve made all that great music that’s enhanced your lives throughout the years...
Rrrrrreal ----- high on drugs."
--Bill Hicks
+1      
guitar7masta wrote on 01/27/2012 - 01:45 pm / quote |
Iommianity wrote:

guitar7masta wrote:

False_God wrote:

I'm sorry, but you don't need weed to appreciate the greatness of music.

I love weed tho and it definitely should be decriminalized every where. I don't know if society is ready for full blown legalization of it yet, but I reckon we are not too far off it.
Decriminalization is a good start anyway. Getting busted for a small amount of cannabis is a joke, it wastes resources and time when the authorities could be going after real criminals.i agree completely. i wish weed advocates wouldn't bring up such dumb arguments like that.

"It helps me create music!" well good for you, but that isn't helping at all.

people against legalization view that as a crutch, and more importantly, and addiction.(though it isn't addictive, anybody that disagrees hasn't smoked it, period)

If you're against legalization, you don't care one way or another what people are using weed for. Saying it helps you create music is as much a valid reason as saying it makes you feel good, so I don't know what you're getting at. If you're for legalization, you don't have to be an apologist.
"Saying it helps you create music is as much a valid reason as saying it makes you feel good"

umm, i know, that's my point. the argument most pot advocates bring up don't help the cause. weed can be extremely beneficial, unless smoked in abundance, which is why it is a bad idea for stoners to be the ones to open their mouths.

it has nothing to do with being an apologist. it has to do with informing people about the reality of the drug, what it actually does to help, and how it can also be detrimental to ones health.
+4      
guitar7masta wrote on 01/27/2012 - 01:49 pm / quote |
Concurssi wrote:

Can someone explain to me why, if weed isn't addictive, when stoners run out of weed, they'd gladly take a horse's cock up the ass if it got them some more of god's miracle herb?
that all depends on the person. some people are depressed and need it to stay happy. others just don't care, they like to be high all the time. others just have absolutely no willpower. they mostly do it because, well, it feels good.

but if those same people were to quit? whether they had no choice, or are just doing it for themselves, there wouldn't be any problem. you don't crave it like a cigarette, or alcohol. it's a want, not a need.

you would have to smoke it yourself to understand.
+6      
Nirvana00125 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 01:51 pm / quote |
I think Frank Zappa said it best: "People use drugs and alcohol as an excuse to be lazy *******s." While this is a bit biased(Zappa being against drug and alcohol abuse), I think it's entirely true. Drugs are not this big "downfall of society" that some would have us believe. But, at the same time, the people who abuse drugs tend to be ignorant teenage stoners and ignorant drug addled young adults. There are very few older adults who will rave about any drug as much as someone 13-25 will and even less who will consider any drug to have benefited them in life.

So with that being said: pick your poison. No one should tell you what you can and cannot do to your body. But if your argument is something like "drugs help your music experience/writing music" or "weed just makes everything better" then you should have no say in legalization. In fact it seems like a "best" pro pot individuals("best" meaning they have the best ideas) seem to be people who don't use the drug frequently(or don't use it at all)
+5      
guitar7masta wrote on 01/27/2012 - 01:55 pm / quote |
Nirvana00125 - don't believe that everybody that smokes is lazy, that's just propaganda. lazy teenagers will always be lazy, regardless of what drug they use.

i know plenty of HARD workers, reliable, and intelligent, that happen to be big smokers.
+4      
Jimmyboba wrote on 01/27/2012 - 02:05 pm / quote |
It would definitely help with recession. Legalise and tax cannabis and you've got yourself a booming industry!
     
BillyRamone wrote on 01/27/2012 - 02:14 pm / quote |
I think she should stop singing through distortion so I can understand the lyrics to their songs.

Legalize pot.
+3      
the_messenger66 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 02:14 pm / quote |
I am in discomfort and pain most days due to IBS, and I'm not gonna lie, cannabis totally helps me feel better.
Also, I have a friend has headaches to the point of not being able to eat (and keep it down) due to nausea. She's been to so many doctors, and they all have unsuccessful. Out of desperation, she tried weed, and found her headaches stopped completely. She wants to get a medicinal license, but can't because we live in Texas.
     
HavokStrife wrote on 01/27/2012 - 02:23 pm / quote |
I love this woman.
-2      
PeenieMcGee303 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 02:32 pm / quote |
Meanwhile in California marijuana has been legal since 1996. I've hard a medical card since 2003.
     
guitardWARf wrote on 01/27/2012 - 02:33 pm / quote |
me = dissapoint
+2      
chronic_stp wrote on 01/27/2012 - 02:33 pm / quote |
Many people here have obviously never smoked, which is a shame because they're talking about something they have no clue about. D.A.R.E. is lying to you and you're believing it.
+5      
PeenieMcGee303 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 02:35 pm / quote |
Concurssi wrote:

Can someone explain to me why, if weed isn't addictive, when stoners run out of weed, they'd gladly take a horse's cock up the ass if it got them some more of god's miracle herb?


Funny that coffee drinkers, tabbaco users and alcoholics feel the same way but you're fine with those things being legal. Also pillheads.
     
Dude475 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 02:37 pm / quote |
Ironic, smoking ow cures angela. props to you angela. come back to the USA
     
PoisonMuffin wrote on 01/27/2012 - 02:40 pm / quote |
MiseryMonster wrote:

chrisvasco23 wrote:

honestly, who cares. i think medicinal she has a point, if it helps chronic pain or asthma i see no reason to ease the pain. but the whole stoned to get to listen to records is kinda dumb

no way, smoking increases musical creativity ( for me anyways) i find it easier to write riffs when im stoned more then when im not. listening to music while stoned just makes it sound 100X better.

drugs are to artists what stereoids are to athletes. If people depend on substances to be creative, then the creativity is not theirs
+2      
Iommianity wrote on 01/27/2012 - 02:49 pm / quote |
PoisonMuffin wrote:

MiseryMonster wrote:

chrisvasco23 wrote:

honestly, who cares. i think medicinal she has a point, if it helps chronic pain or asthma i see no reason to ease the pain. but the whole stoned to get to listen to records is kinda dumb

no way, smoking increases musical creativity ( for me anyways) i find it easier to write riffs when im stoned more then when im not. listening to music while stoned just makes it sound 100X better.
drugs are to artists what stereoids are to athletes. If people depend on substances to be creative, then the creativity is not theirs


Where is it coming from? The weed? What you described is someone who can't play, period. But if they're being creative, the creativity is 'theirs', regardless of how it's induced. Music isn't a competition, so once again, if you're willing to admit the person is being creative in the first place, how is that a bad thing just because you don't agree with it? That's such a blanket statement.
     
joe124 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 02:56 pm / quote |
strat0blaster wrote:
If you can't understand music or be affected by it unless you're blunted, you're not a musician any more than someone who can't perform in a sport forum is an athlete without steroids.

Totally disagree with this. Music is supposed to be enjoyed as an art form and should be judged on the music itself, not on how the person made it.

Personally, I think it wouldn't even matter if it wasn't a human that made it. If a computer could compose it's own original quality music that is really good, it would still be good music despite it being generated by a machine.
     
Norgz94 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 02:56 pm / quote |
I'll give a reason not to make weed legalized- It smells like crud, and not everyone wants to be smelling it, just like cigarettes. It's just plain inconsiderate if someone smokes in your face. Along with that, weed may not be that harmful, but IT STILL IS. You dont substances for music, our band dosent do that, nor drink and we make up songs no problem. It's easy to make something up, just pick up your instument and start playing some random stuff! But really this debate is probably not going anywhere. I dont care what people do with their lives, just be CONSIDERATE about it.
     
AshandRuin wrote on 01/27/2012 - 02:58 pm / quote |
Regardless of anyone else's opinion, I have should have full control over my body and what goes into it. What business is it of yours if I want to smoke weed, drop acid or even inject heroin (not that i would use heroin)?
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COREYTAYLOR721 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 03:05 pm / quote |
the benefits outway the risks in my opinion. we spend so much to get rid of weed and is it really working? really? one thing to consider though is that drugs when the beatles, zeppelin, or hendrix were playing were significantly less potent, weed anyway. honestly if people weren't coating it will other substances it would be harmless, except the same risks assosciated with cigs
     
COREYTAYLOR721 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 03:06 pm / quote |
*outweigh must be stoned
     
lrt75914 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 03:11 pm / quote |
Beethoven didn't do any drugs and he was a musical genius.
And I have seen people fall into a depression because of weed. Thinking that it is completely harmeless is bullshit. My dad is a surgeon and he told me over and over again that marihuana has a negative influence on your brain.
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wretchedspawn93 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 03:12 pm / quote |
The fact that weed is illegal pisses me off, it harmless!!! >.
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hansome21 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 03:16 pm / quote |
I started smoking pot at 21 and have never looked back, I used to have a lot of anger issues and pain in my right shoulder and knee from football/tennis in high school.

After I started smoking, my GPA sky rocketed (in college i was always 2.75-3.0, now im always 4.0), I never got angry and blew up at my friends again, and I learned how to play guitar by ear much better, something I have wanted forever.

I never did it as a teenager, and I always made fun of potheads. Now I know I was the idiot. It's much more of a medicine than a drug, I still get drunk all the time but THAT is a drug, sometimes I feel like I'll never wake up from liquor.
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Sylvanus wrote on 01/27/2012 - 03:33 pm / quote |
oh yeah, weed is definitely completely harmless and has no negative effects, pretty sure she's just a moron. If you have to be high to appreciate music, you aren't really appreciating music in the first place.
     
Pat_s1t wrote on 01/27/2012 - 03:40 pm / quote |
Sylvanus wrote:

oh yeah, weed is definitely completely harmless and has no negative effects, pretty sure she's just a moron. If you have to be high to appreciate music, you aren't really appreciating music in the first place.
Have you ever tried weed in your life? I used to think the same thing, but it's actually a lot different.
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Pat_s1t wrote on 01/27/2012 - 03:41 pm / quote |
Also,
"Cannabis, better known as weed, is derived from a plant and is often used medicinally to relieve pain. In some instances, it is used recreationally to produce sensory effects and induce relaxation."
I love how they said it is often used medicinally, but only used recreationally "in some instances." That's not biased wording at all guys (even though I have no problem with weed.)
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slaveskinJACKET wrote on 01/27/2012 - 03:43 pm / quote |
PoisonMuffin wrote:

MiseryMonster wrote:

chrisvasco23 wrote:

honestly, who cares. i think medicinal she has a point, if it helps chronic pain or asthma i see no reason to ease the pain. but the whole stoned to get to listen to records is kinda dumb

no way, smoking increases musical creativity ( for me anyways) i find it easier to write riffs when im stoned more then when im not. listening to music while stoned just makes it sound 100X better.
drugs are to artists what stereoids are to athletes. If people depend on substances to be creative, then the creativity is not theirs


So, what you're saying is that Edgar Allan Poe never wrote a single thing and that all of his writing is mistakenly credited to him, whereas it should be credited to opium?

That's ridiculous and preposterous.
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Trent Armitage wrote on 01/27/2012 - 03:47 pm / quote |
Great, now we have all the gas station attendants and walmart employee's who are all high school drop outs arguing that they should legalize weed.
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herpderpton wrote on 01/27/2012 - 03:49 pm / quote |
ITT: a bunch of little teenagers who have never smoked pot, and therefore have an anti-marijuana bias due to the older people in their lives having a negative opinion of it.

Seriously. If you say that you aren't a 'real' musician because you like to smoke while playing, you're a ***damn idiot. People enjoy and appreciate music regardless of weed. Smoking it won't change that.
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Sylvanus wrote on 01/27/2012 - 04:01 pm / quote |
Pat_s1t wrote:

Sylvanus wrote:

oh yeah, weed is definitely completely harmless and has no negative effects, pretty sure she's just a moron. If you have to be high to appreciate music, you aren't really appreciating music in the first place.Have you ever tried weed in your life? I used to think the same thing, but it's actually a lot different.


That whole "don't knock it till you try it" argument could be applied to crystal meth, cocaine, etc, I'm sure those are great for you too right? I actually have tried it and alot of the guys I hang out with do it. You shouldn't have to use drugs that DO have negative effects in your body to enjoy life.
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slaveskinJACKET wrote on 01/27/2012 - 04:05 pm / quote |
strat0blaster wrote:

Municipal Waste wrote:

strat0blaster wrote:

If you can't understand music or be affected by it unless you're blunted, you're not a musician any more than someone who can't perform in a sport forum is an athlete without steroids.



Okay, so Jimmy Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughan, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and countless other musicians and bands aren't "real" because they abused some substances to get them thinking out of the box?

Pardon me, but you sir are an idiot.

No, what I said was that if you are INCAPABLE of doing so without drugs.

/reading what was written.


I can't find anywhere where anyone said anything about being incapable of appreciating music without marijuana, but especially in the article.

So much for reading what was written.

It sounds to me like you, strat0blaster, just have some sort of self-esteem/confidence issue, whether it be with your musicianship or whatever it may be, and you're spouting nonsense in order to make others look bad, to put yourself above other people in your own mind (and hopefully others').

...either that or you're just ignorant, but the two options aren't exclusive of each other.


Weed affects different people in different ways.
For myself (and apparently countless others), it just makes things better. It heightens my senses, even if it delays them a little bit. I already have an extreme appreciation for [good] music, and it exponentially exaggerates that. It also puts a spark of creativity into me, and that creativity is mine, no matter how it got there.

I've never understood the whole caffeine thing, but I guess, for most people, it wakes them up, etc. If a person who wakes up groggy and ready to fall asleep at any second then ingests some caffeine, which perks them right up, would you argue that that person is not actually awake?

All I'm saying is that there is more than one way from Point A to Point B. Whether you swim, walk, drive, take an airplane, or get so high that you practically float there, if you wind up in Tennessee, you're still in Tennessee -- regardless of how you got there.
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herpderpton wrote on 01/27/2012 - 04:07 pm / quote |
Sylvanus wrote:

That whole "don't knock it till you try it" argument could be applied to crystal meth, cocaine, etc, I'm sure those are great for you too right? I actually have tried it and alot of the guys I hang out with do it. You shouldn't have to use drugs that DO have negative effects in your body to enjoy life.


No shit. You SHOULDN'T HAVE to do them. But guess what? Life is rough for some people, and marijuana really does help. So I, like other people that enjoy not having to wallow through this bullshit called 'life,' will continue to make ourselves feel less miserable.

Not trying to flame or anything, but come on man. If you've tried marijuana, you should know full well that there's a big difference between that (a goddamn plant) and crystal meth.
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KyleLee wrote on 01/27/2012 - 04:19 pm / quote |
Really, it all depends on the person. Take Frank Zappa for example; Never did a single drug, look at how creative his albums were? Gene Simmons; While not very much on the musical side, his business genius is farely unmatched.

However, you look at bands like Arch Enemy, Born of Osiris, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin. All made awesome fuggin' tunes and toke the bong now and again. All I can say, on my behalf, weed does a better job than Ritalin to help my ADHD and I can concentrate and write/work out a song.
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bastards wrote on 01/27/2012 - 04:30 pm / quote |
Stop looping pot into drugs, holy shit man. Tylenol is a drug. Apples are from trees. Pot grows in the ground. Meth is a drug.
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Dukey wrote on 01/27/2012 - 04:37 pm / quote |
I don't know...
Well, I've never done drugs in my life (mostly because I never really had chance to try it).
I got some friends that does drugs, I'm trying to be cool with that although one of them was stupid enough to go through an overdose and a lucky son-of-a-b**ch to survive it...

I don't believe that you NEED drugs or even booze to understand or generally to enjoy life.
As nerdy as it might be seemed to you - The only thing I need to get myself pumped is some kickass good music. I truly do.
You should see me at gigs - on stage and in the crowd! I can go real crazy...

Yes, I like drinking beer every once in a while, but people around me are becoming patheticly obsessed to those things...

And KyleLee, Ritalin sucks! I'm a huge anti-Ritalin, it f*cked up everyone I know that takes it - nobody told ever told me a good thing about Ritalin for a reason!
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mafuhungy wrote on 01/27/2012 - 04:41 pm / quote |
PoisonMuffin wrote:

MiseryMonster wrote:

chrisvasco23 wrote:

honestly, who cares. i think medicinal she has a point, if it helps chronic pain or asthma i see no reason to ease the pain. but the whole stoned to get to listen to records is kinda dumb

no way, smoking increases musical creativity ( for me anyways) i find it easier to write riffs when im stoned more then when im not. listening to music while stoned just makes it sound 100X better.
drugs are to artists what stereoids are to athletes. If people depend on substances to be creative, then the creativity is not theirs


Ever tried making music stoned?? its pretty much impossible, that or your weed is seriously sub par. It makes listening to music better, dont get it confused because of stupid cliches.
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mafuhungy wrote on 01/27/2012 - 04:44 pm / quote |
Trent Armitage wrote:

Great, now we have all the gas station attendants and walmart employee's who are all high school drop outs arguing that they should legalize weed.


You should go to a university and see the amount of pot smokers, I myself being a science student smoke weed students of all the different schools of study on a daily basis. Superiority complexes dont actually make you superior.
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shred_wizzard wrote on 01/27/2012 - 04:46 pm / quote |
so long as Angela NEVER touches cocaine the world will be safe
     
Trent Armitage wrote on 01/27/2012 - 04:49 pm / quote |
mafuhungy wrote:

Trent Armitage wrote:

Great, now we have all the gas station attendants and walmart employee's who are all high school drop outs arguing that they should legalize weed.

You should go to a university and see the amount of pot smokers, I myself being a science student smoke weed students of all the different schools of study on a daily basis. Superiority complexes dont actually make you superior.


I know that, but knowing stereotypes helps
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MiseryMonster wrote on 01/27/2012 - 04:52 pm / quote |
PoisonMuffin wrote:

MiseryMonster wrote:

chrisvasco23 wrote:

honestly, who cares. i think medicinal she has a point, if it helps chronic pain or asthma i see no reason to ease the pain. but the whole stoned to get to listen to records is kinda dumb

no way, smoking increases musical creativity ( for me anyways) i find it easier to write riffs when im stoned more then when im not. listening to music while stoned just makes it sound 100X better.
drugs are to artists what stereoids are to athletes. If people depend on substances to be creative, then the creativity is not theirs
are you joking?.. do you know how many artist SMOKE WEED faithfully and are successful musicians? why does it matter if i wrote a riff while i was blazed or while i was sober? in the end its your own creation. and honestly i couldn't give a single FUCK if i was high or not. your saying it like i have to be high to write music, which is not true at all.
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MiseryMonster wrote on 01/27/2012 - 04:54 pm / quote |
sorry i meant to quote
PoisonMuffin wrote:

MiseryMonster wrote:

chrisvasco23 wrote:

honestly, who cares. i think medicinal she has a point, if it helps chronic pain or asthma i see no reason to ease the pain. but the whole stoned to get to listen to records is kinda dumb

no way, smoking increases musical creativity ( for me anyways) i find it easier to write riffs when im stoned more then when im not. listening to music while stoned just makes it sound 100X better.
drugs are to artists what stereoids are to athletes. If people depend on substances to be creative, then the creativity is not theirs
     
Enix165 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 04:54 pm / quote |
If you need weed to truly appreciate music, you shouldn't call yourself a musician. That's my opinion on this, anyways.
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Jemstar wrote on 01/27/2012 - 04:56 pm / quote |
I'm with Zappa on this one "Pot never did anything for me it just made me sleepy and made my throat scratchy."

People say a lot of the greatest music was written by musicians that were high. I say bullshit, I am willing to bet most of the music written by bands like the beatles and zeppelin was written while sober. No one is going to make great music seriously ****ed up, because no one can play seriously messed up or high. Even the best musicians performances suffer. No one buying an album wants to hear the ramblings of someone off their face on weed or crack or pcp. no one wants to pay good money to go see an artist monged out either, look at Amy Winehouse and what a train wreck she was.
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MiseryMonster wrote on 01/27/2012 - 04:58 pm / quote |
/facepalm disregard my last post.
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MiseryMonster wrote on 01/27/2012 - 05:02 pm / quote |
Jemstar wrote:

I'm with Zappa on this one "Pot never did anything for me it just made me sleepy and made my throat scratchy."

People say a lot of the greatest music was written by musicians that were high. I say bullshit, I am willing to bet most of the music written by bands like the beatles and zeppelin was written while sober. No one is going to make great music seriously ****ed up, because no one can play seriously messed up or high. Even the best musicians performances suffer. No one buying an album wants to hear the ramblings of someone off their face on weed or crack or pcp. no one wants to pay good money to go see an artist monged out either, look at Amy Winehouse and what a train wreck she was.
i respect your opinion, although you cant compare weed to crack or pcp.. its not even close to the same category. weed doesn't **** you up like those hard drugs do. therefore weed can't even be applied to your argument.
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sickassfoo wrote on 01/27/2012 - 05:03 pm / quote |
stoners gonna stone
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Tanner Streeter wrote on 01/27/2012 - 05:09 pm / quote |
If the war on drugs were to end think of how empty the prisons were to be. Admit it most prisons are full of people arrested for possession of marijuana. After they stop arresting people for it, there will be a mass shortage of people getting arrested. This could be a good thing and a bad thing. Good because... well hey who wants to see their dealer go to prison, and bad because it will hurt the prison system now that it has less prisoners.
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Kakatara wrote on 01/27/2012 - 05:14 pm / quote |
MiseryMonster wrote:

Jemstar wrote:

I'm with Zappa on this one "Pot never did anything for me it just made me sleepy and made my throat scratchy."

People say a lot of the greatest music was written by musicians that were high. I say bullshit, I am willing to bet most of the music written by bands like the beatles and zeppelin was written while sober. No one is going to make great music seriously ****ed up, because no one can play seriously messed up or high. Even the best musicians performances suffer. No one buying an album wants to hear the ramblings of someone off their face on weed or crack or pcp. no one wants to pay good money to go see an artist monged out either, look at Amy Winehouse and what a train wreck she was.
i respect your opinion, although you cant compare weed to crack or pcp.. its not even close to the same category. weed doesn't **** you up like those hard drugs do. therefore weed can't even be applied to your argument.


You've never listened to the ramblings of an extremely high person?
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Psycho Pigeon wrote on 01/27/2012 - 05:29 pm / quote |
I used cannabis oil to get rid of my Arthritis. It's disgusting it's illegal.
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British Josh wrote on 01/27/2012 - 05:38 pm / quote |
ITT: People who have never tried weed talking about how bad it is
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Glyph92 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 05:38 pm / quote |
Concurssi wrote:

Can someone explain to me why, if weed isn't addictive, when stoners run out of weed, they'd gladly take a horse's cock up the ass if it got them some more of god's miracle herb?


They don't.
     
MiseryMonster wrote on 01/27/2012 - 05:48 pm / quote |
Kakatara wrote:
You've never listened to the ramblings of an extremely high person?
i'm pretty sure if your a singer your not going to be "rambling" when your recording a song or playing it live.. UNLESS your really ****ed up on some bad drugs.. in that case you shouldn't even be on the stage then.
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ToolCreedence wrote on 01/27/2012 - 05:53 pm / quote |
DMT
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jaymkultra wrote on 01/27/2012 - 05:53 pm / quote |
you dont need drugs to open your eyes to music, you just need to open your ears that bit more.
     
joelisonfire wrote on 01/27/2012 - 06:24 pm / quote |
weed is awesome that's all there is to it!, people need to quit arguing so much over this plant and just legalize it! You don't need marijuana to enjoy music but it does offer an interesting perception of music!
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Downfault wrote on 01/27/2012 - 06:25 pm / quote |
My bass player is so much better when he isn't stoned.
     
joelisonfire wrote on 01/27/2012 - 06:31 pm / quote |
also I don't get why anyone says weed is addictive, that's one the stupidest thing's I've ever heard! I've gone weeks and months at a time without smoking weed and I've never had any urge or desire to go buy/smoke more weed! I'm far more likely to get addicted to a cup of coffee than a bag of weed!
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Sylvanus wrote on 01/27/2012 - 06:34 pm / quote |
herpderpton wrote:

No shit. You SHOULDN'T HAVE to do them. But guess what? Life is rough for some people, and marijuana really does help. So I, like other people that enjoy not having to wallow through this bullshit called 'life,' will continue to make ourselves feel less miserable.

Not trying to flame or anything, but come on man. If you've tried marijuana, you should know full well that there's a big difference between that (a goddamn plant) and crystal meth.


Honestly, that's an extremely pessimistic view. Sure life can be tough for everyone, but does this plant really solve your problems? Quite a few guys I know have let weed swallow their lives(need I mention the paranoid schizo's?), they spend all their money on it and are always broke, even to the point where they can't pay their other bills and they lose their drive to do anything except get high.

Others can control it better but there ARE negative effects to the drug. It does damage brain cells and although it isn't addictive physically, people who do it often feel like it's a necessary part of their lifestyle, much in the same way as people that drink coffee.
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joelisonfire wrote on 01/27/2012 - 06:42 pm / quote |
Marijuana's existed for thousands of years and it's been just fine, but every now and then some people have to get their panties in a bunch over it lol, I think there are far bigger issues to deal with in the world and if everyone just chilled out and smoked a joint every now and then the world would be a better place!
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Slash181 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 07:04 pm / quote |
Everything in moderation... i agree tho, cannabis is fine and does not cause damage only to those prone to psychological problems via family history or mental upbringing. it's like alcohol to someone who has a weak liver... it's not for everyone (except alcohol damages the liver and brain cells regardless). I feel that it can be very creative if used right and people open up on it, used wrong and people become recluses.
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slaveskinJACKET wrote on 01/27/2012 - 07:22 pm / quote |
Sylvanus wrote:

herpderpton wrote:

No shit. You SHOULDN'T HAVE to do them. But guess what? Life is rough for some people, and marijuana really does help. So I, like other people that enjoy not having to wallow through this bullshit called 'life,' will continue to make ourselves feel less miserable.

Not trying to flame or anything, but come on man. If you've tried marijuana, you should know full well that there's a big difference between that (a goddamn plant) and crystal meth.

Honestly, that's an extremely pessimistic view. Sure life can be tough for everyone, but does this plant really solve your problems? Quite a few guys I know have let weed swallow their lives(need I mention the paranoid schizo's?), they spend all their money on it and are always broke, even to the point where they can't pay their other bills and they lose their drive to do anything except get high.

Others can control it better but there ARE negative effects to the drug. It does damage brain cells and although it isn't addictive physically, people who do it often feel like it's a necessary part of their lifestyle, much in the same way as people that drink coffee.


I agree with most of what you said, but he never said that it made problems go away -- he said it made things more bearable.

Pot, like anything, can take control of and ruin your life if it becomes your sole focus, but no more than an extreme appreciation for fingernail polish.

It is addictive, but not in a physically dependent sense for most people. Coffee is not a good comparison. Coffee contains caffeine, and your body can become physically dependent on caffeine, much like many other substances.

Sugar is also physically addictive. You will experience physical withdrawals from sugar if you go from a high-intake to zero intake, but I've never heard of someone advocating an outright ban on sweets. And before someone argues than your body already contains sugar, I'll argue that your body already contains THC.

The only physical withdrawal symptom ever noted from marijuana, that I'm aware of, is that somewhere around a third of users will experience mild depression within 72 hours of quitting.

A better comparison might be to potato chips or something else that has virtually no capability of a person actually being physically dependent on. You can form a mental addiction to anything.

There is no evidence in unbiased research that links marijuana to a brain cell damage. That misconception comes from an extremely biased test, consisting of chimps being pumped full of marijuana smoke for minutes at a time, with absolutely no oxygen. Then, after performing these tests for minutes at a time, throughout a month or two, they averaged the results to over the course of a year until it was the equivalent of 5 joints a day, as opposed to what it actually was.

The damage to their brain cells was not a result of the presence of marijuana smoke, but rather a result of the lack of oxygen to the brain. Anything else being pumped into them would have had the same result.
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slaveskinJACKET wrote on 01/27/2012 - 07:24 pm / quote |
...I meant to add that there is evidence of it slowing brain response times -- much more significantly while under the influence, but still noticeable even after use has ceased. However, the brain still functions properly, it simply is slowed down a little bit.
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replica_ wrote on 01/27/2012 - 07:25 pm / quote |
Fuck this.

A lot of people don't actually know that Black Sabbath were not exactly "down with the happy hippie trippy California flower power drug culture". They didn't fit into that scene. If you actually watched any documentaries on how their heavy metal sound came to be, then you would realise that while most of the stuff written in the 60s and 70s was like a perpetual drug trip, Sabbath's music was like coming OUT of a sweet dreamy drug trip and back to cold, tough reality, and feeling the FUCKING HANGOVER! It was fueled by dispair, anger, frustration, and a monochrome, monotonous existence of being an underpaid steel factory worker on a Monday morning in Sheffield or Birmingham. People like me, in this age of indifference, when were being ****ed over by banks, the government, and the recession and cut backs, no jobs, no money, **** all. Thats the music 'I' can relate to. Not "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" or "Purple Haze". Okay, Sabbath had a trippy song called Planet Caravan, which I like, not saying that the music is crap...i just can't relate to it, because theres noting to relate to. But Black Sabbath were the Masters Of Reality, not a drug trip.
Imagination is the key. Use drugs and your message is not clear it becomes nonsensical, and then really where's the point in that? Purple Haze, Lucy in the sky with diamonds...what do they say? Sure they may sound great...but wheres the message? When you were on cloud 9 petting flying dolphins and swimming in blue smoke did it seem clear?
It's ok to use drugs to write music to unlock your imagination...but you need to HAVE imagination.

And this is coming from a guy who's favourite writer is Philip K. Dick. A writer quite well known for his drug fueled novels.
     
Nick92Slayer wrote on 01/27/2012 - 07:31 pm / quote |
LOL at all the people complaining about being a musician and taking drugs, drink is a lot worse than cannabis and look at the history of great people who have wrote music... sober or not ( within the persons limits) good stuff can be written either way surely
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special_kae_911 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 07:44 pm / quote |
Marijuana does not create originality or make you a better musician by any means, but from my own personal experience I have found that the riffs I come up with when I'm stoned are faaaaar better than my sober ones. Give that, I play them 10,000X's better sober because I have my motor reflexes back in full force. In conclusion, Marijuana is capable of helping the user focus on what is in front of them, whether it is playing music or just listening to a damn good album, more so then they can sober. A good musician who chooses to do drugs, whether it is weed, psychedelics, uppers, downers, booze, whatever floats their boat, is their best when they are able to effectively use the drugs in a way that benefits them and their creativity. Drugs are only bad when used incorrectly and irresponsibly. It all comes down to set and setting and what you as an individual are able to physically, mentally, and emotionally handle. Drugs are not for every single individual, but let's let the ones of us who like to experiment do it.
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Andrew C. S. wrote on 01/27/2012 - 08:06 pm / quote |
HeavyMetalSonic wrote:

You don't need substances to see the beauty of music.


Right, but they sure do help a bit.
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Iommianity wrote on 01/27/2012 - 08:25 pm / quote |
replica_ wrote:

Fuck this.

A lot of people don't actually know that Black Sabbath were not exactly "down with the happy hippie trippy California flower power drug culture". They didn't fit into that scene. If you actually watched any documentaries on how their heavy metal sound came to be, then you would realise that while most of the stuff written in the 60s and 70s was like a perpetual drug trip, Sabbath's music was like coming OUT of a sweet dreamy drug trip and back to cold, tough reality, and feeling the FUCKING HANGOVER! It was fueled by dispair, anger, frustration, and a monochrome, monotonous existence of being an underpaid steel factory worker on a Monday morning in Sheffield or Birmingham. People like me, in this age of indifference, when were being ****ed over by banks, the government, and the recession and cut backs, no jobs, no money, **** all. Thats the music 'I' can relate to. Not "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" or "Purple Haze". Okay, Sabbath had a trippy song called Planet Caravan, which I like, not saying that the music is crap...i just can't relate to it, because theres noting to relate to. But Black Sabbath were the Masters Of Reality, not a drug trip.
Imagination is the key. Use drugs and your message is not clear it becomes nonsensical, and then really where's the point in that? Purple Haze, Lucy in the sky with diamonds...what do they say? Sure they may sound great...but wheres the message? When you were on cloud 9 petting flying dolphins and swimming in blue smoke did it seem clear?
It's ok to use drugs to write music to unlock your imagination...but you need to HAVE imagination.

And this is coming from a guy who's favourite writer is Philip K. Dick. A writer quite well known for his drug fueled novels.


Look, Sabbath are my favourite band, but you're high if you're getting or expecting a life altering message from Geezer's lyrics. Bill Ward is a shell of his former self because of drugs and alcohol, and the band has always been open about albums like Vol. IV and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath being majorly drug fueled.
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mop10893 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 09:25 pm / quote |
metal overlord wrote:

You tell em' Angela.
Everyone who says music is music whether your sober or not obviously has never expirienced it. What sort of arguement can you make, if you've never tried it? My musical brain becomes a musical monstrosity when I'm stoned, not only do you hear the music but you can feel every bit of it. The rhythm, the flow of it all, it sucks you into this world of greatness. Not condoning the use of it no non-users, but making a point saying theres no valid arguement unless you've expirienced it for yourself


I have never even smoked a cigarette let alone pot and I can promise you that I get sucked into the music sober. Every last note of a song hits me in such a way that it's like I can't escape, nor do I want to. I'm certainly not against people smoking. If it's something that makes you feel good without doing serious damage then it's fine. But nobody's gonna tell me that I can't hear the music the same way someone who smokes weed does.
     
SlutyMFmoses wrote on 01/27/2012 - 09:54 pm / quote |
Listening to some arch enemy while being blazed?
Check.
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~DrEaM ThEaTeR~ wrote on 01/27/2012 - 10:01 pm / quote |
If you can't understand music or be affected by it unless you're blunted, you're not a musician any more than someone who can't perform in a sport forum is an athlete without steroids.

Second, if the US really wanted a 'war on drugs,' they'd be helping Mexico deal with the cartel and trafficking issues that are severely hurting their people and taking a massive, negative toll on the land and culture. But the US doesn't, because there's no gain there like there was with oil in more recent years.

Third, with all the horrible, unjust things that are happening around the globe, people choosing to wage a ideological war of words and 'principle' based on something as big-picture insignificant as whether weed is legal or not shows little more than how spoiled they are.


You obviously have no idea how world politics work or why cartels even exist in the first place. Your "ideological war" costs our country around $70 billion a year (and that's only the US). It also puts the money right into criminal organizations who, instead of duking it out in court, take it out violently on each other as well as whoever gets in the crossfire (AKA 40,000+ people killed since 2006). Come back when you learn a lil more.
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vandal_12 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 10:05 pm / quote |
replica_ wrote:

Fuck this.

A lot of people don't actually know that Black Sabbath were not exactly "down with the happy hippie trippy California flower power drug culture". They didn't fit into that scene. If you actually watched any documentaries on how their heavy metal sound came to be, then you would realise that while most of the stuff written in the 60s and 70s was like a perpetual drug trip, Sabbath's music was like coming OUT of a sweet dreamy drug trip and back to cold, tough reality, and feeling the FUCKING HANGOVER! It was fueled by dispair, anger, frustration, and a monochrome, monotonous existence of being an underpaid steel factory worker on a Monday morning in Sheffield or Birmingham. People like me, in this age of indifference, when were being ****ed over by banks, the government, and the recession and cut backs, no jobs, no money, **** all. Thats the music 'I' can relate to. Not "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" or "Purple Haze". Okay, Sabbath had a trippy song called Planet Caravan, which I like, not saying that the music is crap...i just can't relate to it, because theres noting to relate to. But Black Sabbath were the Masters Of Reality, not a drug trip.
Imagination is the key. Use drugs and your message is not clear it becomes nonsensical, and then really where's the point in that? Purple Haze, Lucy in the sky with diamonds...what do they say? Sure they may sound great...but wheres the message? When you were on cloud 9 petting flying dolphins and swimming in blue smoke did it seem clear?
It's ok to use drugs to write music to unlock your imagination...but you need to HAVE imagination.

And this is coming from a guy who's favourite writer is Philip K. Dick. A writer quite well known for his drug fueled novels.


They did write a song called Sweet Leaf, you must have forgotten about it. I hear the cough at the beginning is a loop of Iommi puffing on a joint. Regardless, I hate hippies too, and I love smoking weed.
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bmarlatt1685 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 11:10 pm / quote |
MiseryMonster wrote:

chrisvasco23 wrote:

honestly, who cares. i think medicinal she has a point, if it helps chronic pain or asthma i see no reason to ease the pain. but the whole stoned to get to listen to records is kinda dumb


no way, smoking increases musical creativity ( for me anyways) i find it easier to write riffs when im stoned more then when im not. listening to music while stoned just makes it sound 100X better.

I've never smoked once in my entire life, so I must really be inhibiting my creative capacity to make great music, right? My bass player used to smoke weed all the time before he rejoined my band and he'll be the first to tell you that he's experienced the exact opposite of what you claim. When trying to write music high, he'd just get distracted easily.
Look, as a Libertarian I don't buy that the war on drugs will solve the drug problem or anything like that, and states can decriminalize pot it they want to. Fine... but I also don't buy that smoking weed increases a musician's creative abilities. It may do wonders for you while you're floating on a cloud somewhere over the rainbow or whatever, but for every person that claims what you believe I bet there's a counterpart that experiences the opposite.
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LPGNRKC wrote on 01/27/2012 - 11:24 pm / quote |
I'm not particularly for or against legalisation, I think it's got its pros and cons either way, but what bugs me is these people who try to convince themselves that its actually good for you. Yes, it may be beneficial in a few situations, but the vast majority of the time it isn't. It certainly isn't as bad as lots of other drugs, but that hardly makes it good.
A couple of annoying arguments:
"People have been doing it for ages, therefore it must be good." So? People used to be stupid. Hell, wasn't strapping live chickens to plague victims a cure in the middle ages?
"You can appreciate music better." Rubbish, weed shortens your attention span; there's no way you can appreciate music on the same level as when you're sober. Sure, it might 'feel' better in your drug-induced state, but to generally appreciate the time and skill that went into great songs you need your wits about you.
"I write better music when I'm high." Come on. Being just makes you more willing to experiment outside your normal musical comfort zone. Nothing a bit of self-confidence wouldn't do.
That's about all. Sorry about the rant everyone. Oh, and not everyone who doesn't support legalisation hasn't tried it, which seems to be the belief of several potheads on this. That's a nothing argument, because, believe it or not, some people actually have different views to you
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Tyler.Allain wrote on 01/27/2012 - 11:27 pm / quote |
You know how many Pot abusing losers there are on here by how many -'s any comment apposing the legalization of pot gets.

I share the opinion that if you think you need to get high to appreciate music you're a jackass. Music is about music not about drugs or sex you goons. Go ahead - away you hippies.
     
Macabre_Turtle wrote on 01/27/2012 - 11:46 pm / quote |
I support marijuana legalization, but her reasons are stupid, and in some cases just plain incorrect.
     
sewoo55 wrote on 01/27/2012 - 11:46 pm / quote |
Haha UG comments never fail to amuse me.
     
Tyler.Allain wrote on 01/27/2012 - 11:50 pm / quote |
Also, I am FOR the legalization of weed. I am AGAINST the notion that you need to be a drug abuser-loser to improve your appreciation of music or performance as a musician.
     
HARTATTACK69 wrote on 01/28/2012 - 12:15 am / quote |
If you NEED drugs to appreciate the music and understand it you shouldn't be listening to music. You should be in a rehab clinic
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Underjoggle wrote on 01/28/2012 - 12:20 am / quote |
Everyone who's saying you don't need pot to help appreciate music has never smoked a joint in their life.

It's true that you don't NEED it. I'm sober most of the time, and I love the music I love. BUT, listening to music when you're stoned is ****ing bananas. It's like being in the studio with the band. You can visualize the music better. Little riffs, or percussion you didn't know was there starts popping out so clearly. It's wild.
     
hereticfive wrote on 01/28/2012 - 12:32 am / quote |
leigh596 wrote:

Im 15 and weed is just a weekly routine. Weed is one of the least addictive things out there, and it can inspire you to do many things. It just makes me happy.


Weekly routine and least addictive?

con·tra·dic·tion: A combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another.
     
HARTATTACK69 wrote on 01/28/2012 - 12:42 am / quote |
Tanner Streeter wrote:

If the war on drugs were to end think of how empty the prisons were to be. Admit it most prisons are full of people arrested for possession of marijuana. After they stop arresting people for it, there will be a mass shortage of people getting arrested. This could be a good thing and a bad thing. Good because... well hey who wants to see their dealer go to prison, and bad because it will hurt the prison system now that it has less prisoners.


actually only 19% of prisons are filled with Drug related prisoners in general, only a small percentage of that is for Marijuana related offenses.
     
HARTATTACK69 wrote on 01/28/2012 - 12:43 am / quote |
HARTATTACK69 wrote:

Tanner Streeter wrote:

If the war on drugs were to end think of how empty the prisons were to be. Admit it most prisons are full of people arrested for possession of marijuana. After they stop arresting people for it, there will be a mass shortage of people getting arrested. This could be a good thing and a bad thing. Good because... well hey who wants to see their dealer go to prison, and bad because it will hurt the prison system now that it has less prisoners.


actually only 19% of prisoners in jail are drug related prisoners in general, only a small percentage of that is for Marijuana related offenses
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new_age_reject wrote on 01/28/2012 - 12:49 am / quote |
This has to be the most poorly informed and worst written article on UG.
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Ubergrue wrote on 01/28/2012 - 01:04 am / quote |
strat0blaster wrote:

"That’s what we do every evening; we listen to a bunch of records when we’re stoned, which is very good for musicians," she told Rocksalt "You get really into the music and understand the greatness of it."
If you can't understand music or be affected by it unless you're blunted, you're not a musician any more than someone who can't perform in a sport forum is an athlete without steroids.

Second, if the US really wanted a 'war on drugs,' they'd be helping Mexico deal with the cartel and trafficking issues that are severely hurting their people and taking a massive, negative toll on the land and culture. But the US doesn't, because there's no gain there like there was with oil in more recent years.

Third, with all the horrible, unjust things that are happening around the globe, people choosing to wage a ideological war of words and 'principle' based on something as big-picture insignificant as whether weed is legal or not shows little more than how spoiled they are.

If you're a musician, stick to making great music.
Why did all these people thumb you down? You made great points!
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archangelseren wrote on 01/28/2012 - 01:18 am / quote |
just do what you want. music is just different when you listen to it high or play music high but its easier to lose what your playing i find... they will never legalize it in the u.s. (that would be the day) alcohol makes too much damn money to get rid of that and putting pot dealers in jail makes money too so they don't care.

"1971 Nixon Shock"
     
thetoasteroven wrote on 01/28/2012 - 01:29 am / quote |
If pot is responsible for Rise of the Tyrant then it needs to be charged with murder.Secondly it is not that great yeah it makes some stuff funnier .But as far as making music better shrooms are best at that.
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Brendan.Pivin wrote on 01/28/2012 - 01:30 am / quote |
Title didnt make me feel like reading the article. Alot of people say legalize weed why would it be news if arche enemy said it
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Ian hawkins wrote on 01/28/2012 - 01:32 am / quote |
I'd love to see weed legalised, it would just make sense.Judging by the availability and social acceptance of weed,the war on drugs really hasn't worked at all.All it has done is given international crime rings a HUGE market for them to do business in whatever way they please.
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fastlanestoner wrote on 01/28/2012 - 01:34 am / quote |
she's absolutely right. Medicine. Don't let the propaganda machine influence you
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stealstrings wrote on 01/28/2012 - 01:40 am / quote |
Well I don't know much about weed, but I wouldn't smoke it. I'm not gonna judge people who do either.
     
Scary Guy wrote on 01/28/2012 - 02:10 am / quote |
Alcohol should be illegal and weed should be legal i have never seen glassings, fights and riots break out at weed cafe's. fullstop argument over.
     
brandon54 wrote on 01/28/2012 - 03:30 am / quote |
i hate when people say that! i play music the same high or sober. honestly i get stuck on the same riff that way very unproductive
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Firaga wrote on 01/28/2012 - 03:39 am / quote |
Why is this news?
     
MetalMullet wrote on 01/28/2012 - 05:53 am / quote |
thePTOD wrote:
I don't like when people say you need to be high to enjoy and write good music.


No one says that. Sure you can enjoy all kinds of music sober too. It's just that, you enjoy them 10 times more while being high.
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Air_Stryker wrote on 01/28/2012 - 06:15 am / quote |
I don't smoke weed myself, but I have plenty of friends that do and I've failed to see the harm in it myself.

As far as I can tell the benefits more than outweigh the drawbacks. I don't see why it hasn't been legalized yet, it's hardly as damaging as say; cigarettes =P

As for the "it helps you enjoy music more" or whatever; I have no first hand experience, so I can't say yes or no to that, but I may have to give it a go just to see how much more awesome Machine Head can get when you're stoned. =D
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ocguitarplayer wrote on 01/28/2012 - 06:53 am / quote |
MY OPINION----- HELL I JUST LIKE BEING STONED!
LETS ROCK
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HoverFan#1 wrote on 01/28/2012 - 07:45 am / quote |
Angela thinks the US government should stop wasting money on a war on drugs and use the savings to help fund education and healthcare


+infinity
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StarSaber666 wrote on 01/28/2012 - 07:56 am / quote |
I love music any time don't get me wrong but when I get stoned as **** it is sooooo good to listen to all my old vynl. All the stuff that people were chatting on about how you dont need a spliff to enjoy the beauty of music is completely legitiment but come on dont take it to far get a bong, bu an 1/8, smoke it all, chill the **** out, listen to some music and shut the **** up.
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highdarren wrote on 01/28/2012 - 08:03 am / quote |
Most of you have no idea what you are talking about... I am a member of CLEAR - Cannabis Law Reform an organisation trying to change the prohbition laws in the UK... let me explain a liuttle bit about cannabis and "creativity"

To say that "weed makes you creative" or "weed doesnt make you creative" is stupid and ignorant. Weed is not a drug which gives you ONE effect, weed is made up of over a 100 different chemical compounds which work together at different levels to form that unique taste, smell, look, colour and everthing that makes a strain of weed unique (A strain is like OG KUSH or Pineapple express or Purple kush etc..)

So, one weed might make you really creative and up-beat and full of enery (That is because of a high CBD content in the weed) where as another will make you lazy, unmotivated and just sit their "monging" out (due to high THC and low CBD)

THC (tetrahydrocannabidol) is the main psycoactive chemical in weed, it is simple what makes you get really "head high"

CBd (Cannabidol) is the opposite. It is an anti-psycoactive chemical which wrosk by more or less "diluting" the thc in the weed and when there is a lot of CBD, you get the "body high". This is what makes you creative, motivated and full of energy..

When you smoke a high CBD weed you will probably wanna go for a jog or play music etc...
     
Oyface wrote on 01/28/2012 - 08:05 am / quote |
lrt75914 wrote:

Beethoven didn't do any drugs and he was a musical genius.
And I have seen people fall into a depression because of weed. Thinking that it is completely harmeless is bullshit. My dad is a surgeon and he told me over and over again that marihuana has a negative influence on your brain.
Of course he did, he's your dad.
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highdarren wrote on 01/28/2012 - 08:10 am / quote |
TBF, chances are that beethoven did smoke weed! Back before propaganda hit the media, weed was used in just about ALL medicines and it was widley used by most people... back then it was known as "cannabis sativa" or something
     
csensesfail92 wrote on 01/28/2012 - 11:26 am / quote |
they couldn't make it legal for everyone too many people do stupid things when smoking it would have to be legalized on a person to person basis
     
arnolddrummer wrote on 01/28/2012 - 12:22 pm / quote |
Cannabis, better known as weed, is derived from a plant and is often used medicinally to relieve pain. In some instances, it is used recreationally to produce sensory effects and induce relaxation.

You don't say?

I don't think in a comment section full of musicians that you would find one person who doesn't know what pot does, weve all been to concerts!
     
nothingnewtome wrote on 01/28/2012 - 12:56 pm / quote |
War on drugs.... Legalize weed, stop spending my money on something harmless, while all the meanwhile people are overdosing on lethal drugs like heroin, crystal meth, and all these new synth drugs that are worse then these. Legalize weed, spend that money on better things, and make laws on hard drugs more strict. Annual deaths caused by Weed (0) alchohol (5000+) heroine 95 - 05 (83,000)etc.
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Most_Triumphant wrote on 01/28/2012 - 01:31 pm / quote |
hahaha Twice as much cowbell you say?
MORE COWBELL!!!
     
siraxlrose wrote on 01/28/2012 - 02:05 pm / quote |
hereticfive wrote:

leigh596 wrote:

Im 15 and weed is just a weekly routine. Weed is one of the least addictive things out there, and it can inspire you to do many things. It just makes me happy.

Weekly routine and least addictive?

con·tra·dic·tion: A combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another.


Seriously I think think addiction can be defined as a substance that is habit forming, considering its a weekly event then it is addicting.
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Armagedn wrote on 01/28/2012 - 02:06 pm / quote |
I just really, really, really don't like weed, and coming to college made me like it even less.
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conor-figgy wrote on 01/28/2012 - 02:07 pm / quote |
leigh596 wrote:

Im 15 and weed is just a weekly routine. Weed is one of the least addictive things out there, and it can inspire you to do many things. It just makes me happy.

So, you say weed isn't addictive although you have it as a part of your weekly routine? Ah...

Personally I think it should be legalised and regulated.
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kertets wrote on 01/28/2012 - 02:38 pm / quote |
It´s good stuff, just shouldn´t be mixed with alcohol.
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CSMusic wrote on 01/28/2012 - 02:56 pm / quote |
I wish that people who smoke weed would just come out with unmasked honesty for once and just say that the reason they want it legalized is so they can get high. Which is the only argument that makes sense. Annoys me to know end how people will fight so hard to get a stupid plant legalized, but never stand up for any legit issue in society.

Oh and:

"It should be legalized, regulated/taxed" people who make this argument are beyond stupid. This may come as great shock to you, but give it a bit to sink in; criminals don't like paying taxes. That's exactly why they sell illegal goods. They're expensive, untaxed and unregulated. Good business is what it's all about. If you legalize it, it's less expensive, now they have to pay taxes etc and they will fight that tooth and nail. At which point they will start selling the drugs that are still illegal and are far, far worse. The gang fights over Heroin and Cocaine are also way more deadly; just ask Mexico. Also, we don't want more people doing weed who decide that it's so great they should try harder drugs and then expect our damn tax money to fund their all-expenses paid vacations in rehab.

Bottom line here is, if you want to get stoned, fine. Nobody cares, but stop trying to convince non-smokers that the shit is broccoli. Most of you seem to obtain and smoke it on a regular basis anyway, so what's the $#*&ing problem with it remaining illegal?
     
DeadlyKombat wrote on 01/28/2012 - 03:03 pm / quote |
And of course, it's the weekend. This article will be on the front page till early monday morning. I wonder if UG plans it like that?
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DSG3002 wrote on 01/28/2012 - 03:16 pm / quote |
if someone hotboxed congress while obama was giving the state of the union, and everyone in there got high as ****, I think they would have cut the speech and voted to legalize weed
     
J0HNNYBR4V04756 wrote on 01/28/2012 - 03:36 pm / quote |
I'm fine with weed as being a medical thing, like if you get migraines every week, and weed fixes that, go ahead, but if you are one of those people who are like "LOLOLOL 420 SMOKE WEED ERY DAY" then i don't like it.
I wouldn't vote for it to be legalized but more for a medical thing.
     
Sethis wrote on 01/28/2012 - 03:56 pm / quote |
I do agree with Angela. Marijuana tends to stimulate the brain and increase creativity. Plus it's harmless. But you don't really have to be stoned to write great music.

I'm with you people when you come out and say that "You don't need marijuana to appreciate music." But when you add that anyone who smokes cannabis is a "loser and junkie" you lose any respect I may have had for you. Please do yourself a favor and die.
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unyinz wrote on 01/28/2012 - 04:08 pm / quote |
"is often used medicinally to relieve pain. In some instances, it is used recreationally to produce sensory effects and induce relaxation."

Fairly certain it's the other way around.
     
mschup27 wrote on 01/28/2012 - 04:18 pm / quote |
Sylvanus wrote:

herpderpton wrote:

No shit. You SHOULDN'T HAVE to do them. But guess what? Life is rough for some people, and marijuana really does help. So I, like other people that enjoy not having to wallow through this bullshit called 'life,' will continue to make ourselves feel less miserable.

Not trying to flame or anything, but come on man. If you've tried marijuana, you should know full well that there's a big difference between that (a goddamn plant) and crystal meth.

Honestly, that's an extremely pessimistic view. Sure life can be tough for everyone, but does this plant really solve your problems? Quite a few guys I know have let weed swallow their lives(need I mention the paranoid schizo's?), they spend all their money on it and are always broke, even to the point where they can't pay their other bills and they lose their drive to do anything except get high.

Others can control it better but there ARE negative effects to the drug. It does damage brain cells and although it isn't addictive physically, people who do it often feel like it's a necessary part of their lifestyle, much in the same way as people that drink coffee.


Im a very big pot advocate. I wasn't even gonna try and join in on this massive back and forth from people that obviously have never researched the issue, im talking about both sides of the argument here, but once I saw the comment about pot damaging brain cells i had to step in. IT DOES NOT DAMAGE BRAIN CELLS. In fact in most scientific studies it has actually been proven to STIMULATE brain cell activity. PLEASE LOOK SHIT UP BEFORE YOU POST OR OPEN YOUR MOUTH. I could go on for days but Ill just leave it at this.
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garden of grey wrote on 01/28/2012 - 04:21 pm / quote |
Sylvanus wrote:

herpderpton wrote:

No shit. You SHOULDN'T HAVE to do them. But guess what? Life is rough for some people, and marijuana really does help. So I, like other people that enjoy not having to wallow through this bullshit called 'life,' will continue to make ourselves feel less miserable.

Not trying to flame or anything, but come on man. If you've tried marijuana, you should know full well that there's a big difference between that (a goddamn plant) and crystal meth.

Honestly, that's an extremely pessimistic view. Sure life can be tough for everyone, but does this plant really solve your problems? Quite a few guys I know have let weed swallow their lives(need I mention the paranoid schizo's?), they spend all their money on it and are always broke, even to the point where they can't pay their other bills and they lose their drive to do anything except get high.

Others can control it better but there ARE negative effects to the drug. It does damage brain cells and although it isn't addictive physically, people who do it often feel like it's a necessary part of their lifestyle, much in the same way as people that drink coffee.


Weed is not totally harmless, but locking up 1 percent of our population for non violent drug offenses is plain tyranny.
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garden of grey wrote on 01/28/2012 - 04:24 pm / quote |
CSMusic

Bottom line here is, if you want to get stoned, fine. Nobody cares, but stop trying to convince non-smokers that the shit is broccoli. Most of you seem to obtain and smoke it on a regular basis anyway, so what's the $#*&ing problem with it remaining illegal?


The federal government spent $40 billion on the war on drugs last year, which we pay for while profits leak to gangsters. It kind of sounds like prohibition because it is prohibition all over again... you have to be a total narcissist and also lack empathy to think that imprisoning people for health choices makes any sense and is acceptable.
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garden of grey wrote on 01/28/2012 - 04:26 pm / quote |
LPGNRKC Oh, and not everyone who doesn't support legalisation hasn't tried it, which seems to be the belief of several potheads on this. That's a nothing argument, because, believe it or not, some people actually have different views to you


Nobody should deny that there are fascists out there who like to suck authoritarian dick.
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RideTheRoses wrote on 01/28/2012 - 04:55 pm / quote |
Anyone who is against weed has never smoked some...
I dare you to come to Holland(where I live) and smoke a big fat haze blunt.
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Beakwithteeth wrote on 01/28/2012 - 05:32 pm / quote |
Getting stoned and listening to records. Does it make you a better musician? Who knows. Is it a damn good time? Yes, yes it is.
     
fenderstrattele wrote on 01/28/2012 - 06:21 pm / quote |
I'm from the Netherlands and I really don't think we are better of than any country where it's illegal.(this is coming form a person that doesn't smoke, and I really don't feel the need to use weed or any other drug) I don't care if other people wanna smoke, all I know is I don't need it.

and as much as I like Arch Enemy, if you really need to be stoned to understand the greatness of music that's really kinda sad...

and btw I have been in bands where there were other members that did drugs and it was usually them that couldn't keep it together, and that lead up to the demise of the band
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Insomnia69 wrote on 01/28/2012 - 06:21 pm / quote |
wow... there are some ignorant motherf*ckers here...
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MetalMeltd0wn wrote on 01/28/2012 - 06:33 pm / quote |
Drugs are bad mmkay... -Mr. Mackey
     
loaded_ wrote on 01/28/2012 - 06:39 pm / quote |
EVERYTHING is addictive. Especially if it makes you feel good. Just sayin'.

I'm not pro or anti when it comes to weed but both parties come up with some stupid arguments.
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m4ss3 m/ wrote on 01/28/2012 - 07:08 pm / quote |
You need some f*cking miracle-plant to understand the greatness of some music? Typical drug-user talk. I used to like this band but I just can't listen to them after this bullshit.
     
Ima_Rockaholic! wrote on 01/28/2012 - 07:13 pm / quote |
It should be kept illegal, so then, the police can make money on making arrests.
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guitarmaniac88 wrote on 01/28/2012 - 07:31 pm / quote |
joe124 wrote:

strat0blaster wrote:
If you can't understand music or be affected by it unless you're blunted, you're not a musician any more than someone who can't perform in a sport forum is an athlete without steroids.

Totally disagree with this. Music is supposed to be enjoyed as an art form and should be judged on the music itself, not on how the person made it.

Personally, I think it wouldn't even matter if it wasn't a human that made it. If a computer could compose it's own original quality music that is really good, it would still be good music despite it being generated by a machine.


Disagreeing here. A lot of music I listen to (not all of it, obviously), I listen to it because it took talent to create. That's one of the biggest reasons I don't listen to hardly any rap/hip-hop, it's basically a poem with computerized effects, something any 13 year old kid could do if they really wanted to. Now, completely opposite, is things like classical music, which takes a lot of talent and skill to write, and in many cases, to perform. Technical proficiency is an important aspect of a song for me. That doesn't mean I can't appreciate simple songs, though. I think Buckethead's album Colma was amazing, but nothing TOO hard to create. I just think having talent makes it better.
     
burninfrets wrote on 01/28/2012 - 07:35 pm / quote |
people really care about weed still.... get the **** over it
     
shredder1955 wrote on 01/28/2012 - 07:49 pm / quote |
Ima_Rockaholic! wrote:

It should be kept illegal, so then, the police can make money on making arrests.

That just sounds stupid. Id rather have police officers tying to solve murders or more important cases than trying to put away some dude who is smoking pot in his house not harming anyone.
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yeloshu wrote on 01/28/2012 - 08:03 pm / quote |
Everyone needs to keep in mind that she didn't say she needed marijuana to understand music. She said it helps her get into it. Similar to someone like me that wakes up earlier than their body wants to using caffeine because it helps them stay productive. I don't know anyone that thinks that you NEED weed to appreciate music, just like nobody thinks that caffeine is really necessary for working, but it seems to help facilitate it for most people.

Also, in my experience, weed is pretty useful when playing. I don't WRITE much music, I either play a few songs I'm working on learning, or I just improv for a while. Smoking improves both of those activities for me. I tend to get a little sloppy technique-wise, but I put more emotion into it. Especially when I'm on an acoustic. As far as helping your creativity, it does help me put aside my typical restraints and lets me play outside of my usual style.

As far as listening to music, I can listen to and understand things just fine sober, but I'm someone that doesn't like certain music unless I'm hearing it live. Being high very much reminds me of the kind of immersion I feel when I go to a show, where you get almost spiritually pulled into the music. Things like Blaqk Audio and Meshuggah become so much more intense. It also opens me up to music I normally don't like. For instance, I don't really like Hendrix when I'm sober but I love that shit when I'm high. It's not that I can't understand Hendrix when I'm sober, I just don't really connect with it. Marijuana doesn't make me necessarily better at understanding music, it just makes me understand it differently.

That's what casual marijuana use gets me. Smoking to the point that it could be almost described as tripping, I would have been useless as far as actually playing or writing music, but honestly, I felt like I could watch the music as it was being made in the studio. I felt a spatial distinction between each instrument. I catch harmonies being played or sung far easier. And I become pretty good at hearing reverb and various other effects. It's pretty amazing. And to those who haven't smoked before, it's comparable to being at a show and being completed absorbed into the music.

Thought I'd share my experiences so people see more perspective from a pot smoking musician than just "WEED! Being high makes EVERYTHING BETTER!!!!11!!420!!11!!"

Not really going to comment too in depth on the issue of legalization of marijuana/hemp for medical/industrial/recreational purposes. I'll just leave it at: Anyone that has really researched marijuana to any extent will see that it does have some very real pro's and very few con's. In my own life, it helps me control my anxiety and I used to get migraines with auras on a regular basis but I've got 6 months without. Can't say that it is just because I've picked up smoking on a regular basis, but I personally feel like it has helped. Further, there are few(if any) arguments against pot to which "tobacco/alcohol is worse" can't be applied. Go watch a documentary about weed and research the studies that they cite. Go read the article on Wikipedia, then verify every source yourself. There may be a lot of BS on the internet, but there is a lot of very creditable information as well.

Anyway, I've got a date with my guitar and pipe, peace y'all.
     
Dregen wrote on 01/28/2012 - 09:00 pm / quote |
^ Nice comment.
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shanethestoner wrote on 01/28/2012 - 09:11 pm / quote |
i smoke weed err day.

but in terms of playing music and understanding, it definitely gives you a different perspective to what your playing and hearing. does it make you play any better? in my experience, not really, but i think outside the box, play slightly more sloppy, but my phrasing and attentive to detail gets MUCH better, because for some reason, the THC inspires me to hit notes that i normally would not think of to hit.

do i always smoke before playing? no. it is necessary for me? no. will i if its available? HELL YES
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garden of grey wrote on 01/28/2012 - 10:24 pm / quote |
Ima_Rockaholic! wrote:

It should be kept illegal, so then, the police can make money on making arrests.


I thought the police were here to protect and serve the people, not to round up people like cattle for profit.
     
Insomnia69 wrote on 01/28/2012 - 10:54 pm / quote |
shanethestoner wrote:

i smoke weed err day.

but in terms of playing music and understanding, it definitely gives you a different perspective to what your playing and hearing. does it make you play any better? in my experience, not really, but i think outside the box, play slightly more sloppy, but my phrasing and attentive to detail gets MUCH better, because for some reason, the THC inspires me to hit notes that i normally would not think of to hit.

do i always smoke before playing? no. it is necessary for me? no. will i if its available? HELL YES


dude that`s exactly how I feel to!
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BabrahamLincoln wrote on 01/28/2012 - 11:21 pm / quote |
strat0blaster wrote:

"That’s what we do every evening; we listen to a bunch of records when we’re stoned, which is very good for musicians," she told Rocksalt "You get really into the music and understand the greatness of it."
If you can't understand music or be affected by it unless you're blunted, you're not a musician any more than someone who can't perform in a sport forum is an athlete without steroids.

Second, if the US really wanted a 'war on drugs,' they'd be helping Mexico deal with the cartel and trafficking issues that are severely hurting their people and taking a massive, negative toll on the land and culture. But the US doesn't, because there's no gain there like there was with oil in more recent years.

Third, with all the horrible, unjust things that are happening around the globe, people choosing to wage a ideological war of words and 'principle' based on something as big-picture insignificant as whether weed is legal or not shows little more than how spoiled they are.

If you're a musician, stick to making great music.

Obviously, you've never smoked or at least havent smoked enough to realize it's potential. It's an ENHANCEMENT drug. It takes what's ALREADY THERE and just makes it better (food, sex, music, art, movies etc.)In a sense, it's as if you see things from a different perspective, an entirely unbiased perspective. For me, every time i listen to a song or watch a movie stoned, it's as if i'm seeing/listening for the first time again,only i somehow have the knowledge that i already liked it. We have THC receptors in our bodies for a reason. Personally, i didn't like it for years but realized that i was just a paranoid person at the time due to stigmas that were drilled in my head by super conservative Christians who didnt know any better, NOT paranoid because of the weed. Thank God, there is now information and undeniable evidence that supports the fact that Cannabis is beneficial to humans. I don't necessarily think it should be legalized, i just believe it should have never been made illegal in the first place. It's a freakin plant!!! Nobody has ever died from cannabis use alone yet it's listed as a schedule 1 narcotic, up there with heroine...I would like to end this rant with a quote from comedian/musician Bill Hicks:
"If you don't think drugs have done good things for us then do me a favor. Go home tonight and take all of your records,tapes and all your CD's and burn them. Because, you know all those musicians who made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Rrrrrreal ****ing high on drugs, man. " (obviously not ALL bands but you get the idea)
*for the record i don't smoke because it's illegal BUT i damn sure would if it was
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BabrahamLincoln wrote on 01/28/2012 - 11:23 pm / quote |
*legal
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Alpha_Wolf wrote on 01/28/2012 - 11:59 pm / quote |
strat0blaster wrote:

"That’s what we do every evening; we listen to a bunch of records when we’re stoned, which is very good for musicians," she told Rocksalt "You get really into the music and understand the greatness of it."
If you can't understand music or be affected by it unless you're blunted, you're not a musician any more than someone who can't perform in a sport forum is an athlete without steroids.

Second, if the US really wanted a 'war on drugs,' they'd be helping Mexico deal with the cartel and trafficking issues that are severely hurting their people and taking a massive, negative toll on the land and culture. But the US doesn't, because there's no gain there like there was with oil in more recent years.

Third, with all the horrible, unjust things that are happening around the globe, people choosing to wage a ideological war of words and 'principle' based on something as big-picture insignificant as whether weed is legal or not shows little more than how spoiled they are.

If you're a musician, stick to making great music.


This guy said it perfectly. But of course, all of UG thumbed down his comment because 90% of UG are potheads.
     
ruletheneck wrote on 01/29/2012 - 02:02 am / quote |
meh, i'm 15 and not into experimenting with substances, never tried weed or smoking or getting drunk (probably because a lot of the kids i know who do are dicks) and i think im churning out some alright music. when im stuck for inspiration i grab a guitar and go down to the park or whatever, close my eyes and play whatever comes to mind, and it works for me. i reckon weed should be legalized, so that it can be regulated, but personally i just wouldn't get into it.
     
.:!j.man!:. wrote on 01/29/2012 - 05:04 am / quote |
I dont know enough about drugs to formulate an opinion on it. Im just going to hope that the government has it right with it being illegal.
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Skiny boy89 wrote on 01/29/2012 - 05:20 am / quote |
"Imagine a song with some cow bell. Now imagine being stoned to that, and hearing, like, twice as much cow bell." Still need a reason not to do drugs? ...
     
joeyreece wrote on 01/29/2012 - 07:25 am / quote |
She gives the worst arguments for this topic.. Marijuana legalized would mean more people driving slow as opposed to fast from alcohol, also means the drug is more pure marijuana and not riddled with other harmful, addicting drugs. Sure, this could still result in schizophrenia but it is a better alternative to alcohol, as I can't think of any pros of alcohol. For the record, I'm not even a user of either.
     
SirDrunkalot wrote on 01/29/2012 - 07:48 am / quote |
leigh596 wrote:

Im 15 and weed is just a weekly routine. Weed is one of the least addictive things out there, and it can inspire you to do many things. It just makes me happy.


Dude. You're an addict haha
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BaptizedinFire wrote on 01/29/2012 - 07:53 am / quote |
Why stop at weed? You know that you live in a sick, nasty society when people seriously think they have the right to send men with guns to break down the doors of innocent people and force them into jail at gunpoint, just for living in a way they don't personally approve of. And I say this as someone who has never used any drugs apart from alcohol and caffeine, and personally disapprove of most drugs.

I don't even care about "arguments", I don't care if legalization would lead to an increase in drug addicts (which it won't). This is a moral question. If the pro-drug war morons had to live in constant fear of the police, they would acknowledge it as fascism. Now that only a minority is being oppressed, they don't. Oh, the fallacy...
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isthisnameused wrote on 01/29/2012 - 09:22 am / quote |
Look, the thing is that legalising it really wouldn't end up being all that great. Just think of all of the big corporations cashing in on weed (and yeah sure, there are some pretty big drug dealers out there but it's not at all the same thing).

I think that the best option is simply decriminalisation, that way the cops don't bug the stoners and we can all be happy.

Oh, and I love the cowbell comment from the "cannabis user that UG spoke to", it really made my day.
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Stian Henrixen wrote on 01/29/2012 - 10:48 am / quote |
UG spoke to a cannabis user to discover more about the substance. Describing its effect on music, they said, "Imagine a song with some cow bell. Now imagine being stoned to that, and hearing, like, twice as much cow bell."

Made my day!
     
garden of grey wrote on 01/29/2012 - 11:28 am / quote |
isthisnameused wrote:

Look, the thing is that legalising it really wouldn't end up being all that great. Just think of all of the big corporations cashing in on weed (and yeah sure, there are some pretty big drug dealers out there but it's not at all the same thing).

I think that the best option is simply decriminalisation, that way the cops don't bug the stoners and we can all be happy.

Oh, and I love the cowbell comment from the "cannabis user that UG spoke to", it really made my day.


This is crazy people logic, no plant costs $300-400/oz to grow no matter how you do it... that's the ten middle men in between that collectively add that price on there. If weed was mass produced and even taxed at 100% of it's retail value, there is no doubt in my mind that it would still be way cheaper than street prices. Thugs with guns can't compete with scientists with huge labs and licenses.

I would rather see decrim than the federal government taking control of the economic means of marijuana, a la communism. I'm thinking in terms of how Americans run every other one of their businesses.

Is Al Capone still giving Budweiser or Jager a run for their money?
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BigSpence wrote on 01/29/2012 - 11:51 am / quote |
herpderpton wrote:

Sylvanus wrote:

That whole "don't knock it till you try it" argument could be applied to crystal meth, cocaine, etc, I'm sure those are great for you too right? I actually have tried it and alot of the guys I hang out with do it. You shouldn't have to use drugs that DO have negative effects in your body to enjoy life.

No shit. You SHOULDN'T HAVE to do them. But guess what? Life is rough for some people, and marijuana really does help. So I, like other people that enjoy not having to wallow through this bullshit called 'life,' will continue to make ourselves feel less miserable.

Not trying to flame or anything, but come on man. If you've tried marijuana, you should know full well that there's a big difference between that (a goddamn plant) and crystal meth.


That is the lamest excuse I've ever read about anything. Life is what you make of it. I'm a financially poor college student who has to deal with professors, homework, finals, exams, quizzes, and finding a way to pay for my education, and I've never touched any illegal substances or alcohol for that matter. I'm not trying to make myself sound better than anyone of you, I'm just letting you know the stress I have to deal with every single day of my life. But I'm still happy, no thanks to weed. It IS possible to have a great life and not need drugs.
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Skuzzmo wrote on 01/29/2012 - 12:21 pm / quote |
BigSpence wrote:
I'm a financially poor college student who has to deal with professors, homework, finals, exams, quizzes, and finding a way to pay for my education.


Sounds like a really rough life you have there.....really ****ing rough...my heart bleeds for you.
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BaptizedinFire wrote on 01/29/2012 - 12:47 pm / quote |
isthisnameused wrote:

Look, the thing is that legalising it really wouldn't end up being all that great. Just think of all of the big corporations cashing in on weed (and yeah sure, there are some pretty big drug dealers out there but it's not at all the same thing).

I think that the best option is simply decriminalisation, that way the cops don't bug the stoners and we can all be happy.


Who cares about who provides the drugs? Got a problem with big retailers of alcohol as well? Or maybe KFC, they're exploiting the hungry for huge profits!!

Honestly, learn some really basic economics. Decriminalization only gets the police away from the stoners and junkies, the high prices will still remain if the market is illegal. They'll still have to spend almost all their money on drugs. That way you'll never end the crimes that drug users have to commit just to get some money.

Do you feel good about having a permanent tragic, hopeless class of drug users, or would you rather give them the chance to have a decent life and afford some other things aside from drugs? If you agree with the latter, then legalization is the only possible way to go.
     
BigSpence wrote on 01/29/2012 - 01:02 pm / quote |
Skuzzmo wrote:

BigSpence wrote:
I'm a financially poor college student who has to deal with professors, homework, finals, exams, quizzes, and finding a way to pay for my education.

Sounds like a really rough life you have there.....really ****ing rough...my heart bleeds for you.


You have no idea. Cut the sarcasm.
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staindchains wrote on 01/29/2012 - 01:05 pm / quote |
hate the band, love weed. legalize it.
     
RichieJovie wrote on 01/29/2012 - 01:10 pm / quote |
A silly debate really as neither side is empathic to the other and until that occurs there will be no resolution.
     
Edyspaghetti wrote on 01/29/2012 - 01:30 pm / quote |
It's sad that people think you need weed to appreciate music.
     
Air_Stryker wrote on 01/29/2012 - 01:42 pm / quote |
My one problem with weed is the smell. I work in a Cooperative shop, and on the three floors above us it's full of flats. That are also full of stoners.
If you go near any one of the fire exits in our shop you can smell that stench. *vomits*
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Air_Stryker wrote on 01/29/2012 - 01:45 pm / quote |
Edyspaghetti wrote:

It's sad that people think you need weed to appreciate music.


Considering the way modern music is going, I think you need a lot of things to help appreciate it. Perhaps a cerebral haemorrhage?
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isthisnameused wrote on 01/29/2012 - 01:58 pm / quote |
Who cares about who provides the drugs? Got a problem with big retailers of alcohol as well? Or maybe KFC, they're exploiting the hungry for huge profits!!

Who provides the drugs is actually pretty important. Sure, dealers sell them at ridiculously high prices, but once weed starts to become mass produced on an industrial think of all the corners that would be cut to save production money resulting in crappier products.

That's when all the chemicals and shit start to be added affecting the quality of the product, making it a lot more harmful.
     
Thrasher117 wrote on 01/29/2012 - 02:01 pm / quote |
Alright, I could get into the benefits and stupidity of anti-marijuana arguments. But instead I'll ask everyone who says you can't make good music stoned one question: Ever hear Electric Wizard?
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BaptizedinFire wrote on 01/29/2012 - 02:25 pm / quote |
isthisnameused wrote:

Who cares about who provides the drugs? Got a problem with big retailers of alcohol as well? Or maybe KFC, they're exploiting the hungry for huge profits!!
Who provides the drugs is actually pretty important. Sure, dealers sell them at ridiculously high prices, but once weed starts to become mass produced on an industrial think of all the corners that would be cut to save production money resulting in crappier products.

That's when all the chemicals and shit start to be added affecting the quality of the product, making it a lot more harmful.


Like that doesn't happen with everything... Just think about processed food, or fast food for that matter. I mean, you have to make these decisions in your life all the time. If you want a less healthy product at a cheaper price, you buy it. If you want a more healthy product, you pay more (mostly). If a company lies about how organic and nutrious their product is, you sue them. Why can't the same principle be applied to drugs?

Also, you are fooling yourself if you don't think the drug dealers are cutting the costs as well. I mean, hashish is often rolled in feces and sold on the streets. Crack cocaine is a direct, catastrophic result of pure cocaine being way too expensive.
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ItsApocalypse wrote on 01/29/2012 - 02:26 pm / quote |
leigh596 wrote:

Im 15 and weed is just a weekly routine. Weed is one of the least addictive things out there, and it can inspire you to do many things. It just makes me happy.

Sounds like you really got life figured out. HAHAHAHA
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MisterMushroom wrote on 01/29/2012 - 02:50 pm / quote |
Angela has asthma?!
That's one good voice for a woman with ****ing asthma.
     
isthisnameused wrote on 01/29/2012 - 03:09 pm / quote |
Like that doesn't happen with everything... Just think about processed food, or fast food for that matter. I mean, you have to make these decisions in your life all the time. If you want a less healthy product at a cheaper price, you buy it. If you want a more healthy product, you pay more (mostly). If a company lies about how organic and nutrious their product is, you sue them. Why can't the same principle be applied to drugs?

Also, you are fooling yourself if you don't think the drug dealers are cutting the costs as well. I mean, hashish is often rolled in feces and sold on the streets. Crack cocaine is a direct, catastrophic result of pure cocaine being way too expensive.

Hence the whole quality vs. quantity dilemma... All I'm saying about weed is that unlike drugs like hashish and cocaine, it can be grown on a very small scale. You have some guys who sell the stuff but are smoking a fair amount of what they grow as well. Weed is not at all in the same league as stuff that you have to ship overseas and get involved with international drug lords and all kinds of other shit.
     
BaptizedinFire wrote on 01/29/2012 - 04:01 pm / quote |
isthisnameused wrote:

Hence the whole quality vs. quantity dilemma... All I'm saying about weed is that unlike drugs like hashish and cocaine, it can be grown on a very small scale. You have some guys who sell the stuff but are smoking a fair amount of what they grow as well. Weed is not at all in the same league as stuff that you have to ship overseas and get involved with international drug lords and all kinds of other shit.


The "quality vs. quantity dilemma" is something that each individual should solve according to his own preferences, that's the whole foundation of a functional market economy.

I agree with you about weed, I think that legalization would make the distribution very local. Most people will know someone who they can trust to grow quality weed, and they will stick with that rather than the less reliable supermarket-stuff.

And the fundamental problem with the big mafia drug lords is still that they only exist because of criminalization. Take away the threat of the police, and the risk is virtually gone, which makes the price drop to the floor. You can never become a violent mafia lord under those circumstances, because those who make peaceful trade will provide cheaper goods. If what I'm saying is false, then logically, the mafia would be able to run any market. But they're not, right?
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FearOfTheDuck wrote on 01/29/2012 - 04:10 pm / quote |
i have never written a song when i'm stoned. Mainly because i all want to do is order pizza and watch family guy.
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KerNeL_KLuTcH wrote on 01/29/2012 - 04:49 pm / quote |
"You see, I think drugs have done some good things for us. I really do. And if you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor. Go home tonight. Take all your albums, all your tapes and all your CDs and burn them. 'Cause you know what, the musicians that made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years were rrreal ****ing high on drugs." - Bill Hicks
     
ShigglyB00 wrote on 01/29/2012 - 05:01 pm / quote |
There's so many silly people in this O_o

Of course you can get addicted to weed. You can get literally addicted to anything, alcohol, computer games, sex. If you keep doing something over and over for an age or two, you're going to get addicted.

And I think it's safe to assume that all the people saying that drugs never did anything good and artists who do it are pathetic etc, have never tried it.

Weed can ruin lives, but so can alcohol and that's perfectly legal. As true as it is that the worldwide war on drugs is doing damage on a massive scale, legalising the stuff could solve a lot of problems on a smaller scale too.

Think.. every Friday night, when people are out on the streets, causing trouble due to alcohol, how you wish they weren't there. Half of them wouldn't be able to get out of their seats >,< Alcohol can induce anger, violence and many other bad things. Weed, ralaxes you, makes everything slow down, make stuff a lot awesomer or funnier, and often, when you go into your kitchen for food, the sandwich you were about to make, is sitting on the kitchen counter already made. Just legalise the stuff! Nobody's forcing anyone to do it, and its illegal to smoke indoors anyway now, so its not like everyone's gonna get high just sitting having a meal or something O_o
     
Jamma wrote on 01/29/2012 - 06:11 pm / quote |
Everyone who doesn't understand listening about listening to music whilst stoned has never tried it.

Of course you can still hear the beauty in it when not stoned, duh, but listening to music when stoned gives a whole new dimension to it. It's more a different perspective than being "better"... although it actually is MUCH better.
     
Jamma wrote on 01/29/2012 - 06:12 pm / quote |
Fuck, sorry, mispelled in that comment, but I guess I don't need to explain.
     
Necrolysis wrote on 01/29/2012 - 06:19 pm / quote |
I think the article needs more cowbell.
     
MiseryMonster wrote on 01/29/2012 - 07:41 pm / quote |
bmarlatt1685 wrote:

MiseryMonster wrote:

chrisvasco23 wrote:

honestly, who cares. i think medicinal she has a point, if it helps chronic pain or asthma i see no reason to ease the pain. but the whole stoned to get to listen to records is kinda dumb


no way, smoking increases musical creativity ( for me anyways) i find it easier to write riffs when im stoned more then when im not. listening to music while stoned just makes it sound 100X better.
I've never smoked once in my entire life, so I must really be inhibiting my creative capacity to make great music, right? My bass player used to smoke weed all the time before he rejoined my band and he'll be the first to tell you that he's experienced the exact opposite of what you claim. When trying to write music high, he'd just get distracted easily.
Look, as a Libertarian I don't buy that the war on drugs will solve the drug problem or anything like that, and states can decriminalize pot it they want to. Fine... but I also don't buy that smoking weed increases a musician's creative abilities. It may do wonders for you while you're floating on a cloud somewhere over the rainbow or whatever, but for every person that claims what you believe I bet there's a counterpart that experiences the opposite.
well, you cant just go off of one person.. shit effects people differently than others, so if one person has a certain effect with one thing while on it, another person might not have the same effect.

shanethestoner wrote:

i smoke weed err day.

but in terms of playing music and understanding, it definitely gives you a different perspective to what your playing and hearing. does it make you play any better? in my experience, not really, but i think outside the box, play slightly more sloppy, but my phrasing and attentive to detail gets MUCH better, because for some reason, the THC inspires me to hit notes that i normally would not think of to hit.

do i always smoke before playing? no. it is necessary for me? no. will i if its available? HELL YES


This +1
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pwrmax wrote on 01/29/2012 - 08:42 pm / quote |
LOVE jamming high
     
RabidPikachu wrote on 01/29/2012 - 10:26 pm / quote |
Its so funny that this is an article today. I just got a promotion at work and it requires a drug test, which i'm probably going to fail. Its funny how they promote me, give me employee of the month and a raise for being such a good worker... but oh no... this kid smokes weed? We have to fire him. And THC brings out musical creativity in people. When you jam high you might just suddenly be like "OMG I know exactly what to play right here!"
     
mschup27 wrote on 01/29/2012 - 10:40 pm / quote |
Edyspaghetti wrote:

It's sad that people think you need weed to appreciate music.


For the love of weed, i would guess over 95% of the pro pot posters in this comment section never said that they NEED it to appreciate it. It merely alters your perception and allows you to hear and feel different aspects that you normally don't while sober. Listen I don't smoke all day every day, but I do listen to music all day every day. Do I need weed to appreciate music? No. In fact I would say for sure I spend more time listening to music while sober. But you know what? I would rather listen while stoned because of the reasons I listed. But once again, you don't NEED it, it's just an enhancer of the senses. You seriously need to learn about reading comprehension.
     
Benjumanji wrote on 01/30/2012 - 01:17 am / quote |
Weed has never done anything for me. I'm immune to THC apparently.

Alcohol, on the other hand, is my hero.
     
Vicryl 2.0 wrote on 01/30/2012 - 02:51 am / quote |
RabidPikachu wrote:

Its so funny that this is an article today. I just got a promotion at work and it requires a drug test, which i'm probably going to fail. Its funny how they promote me, give me employee of the month and a raise for being such a good worker... but oh no... this kid smokes weed? We have to fire him. And THC brings out musical creativity in people. When you jam high you might just suddenly be like "OMG I know exactly what to play right here!"


didnt really help me musically. we went in the studio and i was just laying in the couch smiling at my drummer who broke a finger. but there was almost this onetime i was playing bass and a little bit high with dope and made some tunes. i thought it was some good shit so i recorded it and was planning to let my bandmates hear it... the next day i realized it was a bassline of one of Incubus songs. then i just smoke some more. laughing our asses... major trippy.
     
Second Rate wrote on 01/30/2012 - 02:52 am / quote |
Bezza27 wrote:

Please for the love of god legalize all drugs. It will help the economy, and natural selection will progress a lot quicker. People take drugs, it's easier to get a hold of because its legal. People overdose, only the smart ones that won't pump there systems full of chemicals will survive.


Funny, yet true at the same time.

I think all drugs should be legal. Drug prohibition, like alcohol prohibition (and to a lesser extent margarine prohibition) before it, has created the conditions favorable for a black market. This has lead to violence, and overcrowded prisons. Legalize drugs and repeal all "sin" taxes and we will be much better off as a country financially. Also, any and all government funded/subsidized rehab facilities (if such places exist) must be closed. If they can finance their drug addiction, they should be able to finance their own rehabilitation.
     
clagen86 wrote on 01/30/2012 - 05:49 am / quote |
You don't have to be high to appreciate music. I appreciated it just fine before I smoked pot and I appreciate it just as much now even though I do not smoke pot anymore.

I'm willing to bet that the people arguing against the use of weed have never tried it. That's a very closed minded way of thinking.

Marijuana not only increases your enjoyment of music, it increases your enjoyment of everything! It's like that "I just had amazing sex" high where everything seems intensely amazing and interesting. It allows you almost a completely different perspective on music that allows you to pick up on subtle nuances that you may have never before realized.

I do not play well high at all. I think I do but listening to a recording while not high is laughable at times. However, when I want to learn a particular song, I am able to do so at a MUCH faster pace while stoned. I can UNDERSTAND the music so much better.

I have composed my own tunes both stoned and sober. I have found that those created sober end up being the ones I enjoy more. I do often come up with some interesting things when stoned that are usually arranged and improved upon later without the use pot.

Basically...don't knock it until you try it. I used to be very much against drugs of any kind until I tried marijuana. Has it made me a better musician? Maybe, but probably only because it makes me want to play more. Since I have quit smoking I almost never play guitar anymore.
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x0vincent0x wrote on 01/30/2012 - 06:46 am / quote |
Im from the Netherlands, and i started smoking weed when i was 14 years old, and i stopped when i was 17. I don't think that smoking weed did harm me in any way. The thing is that you should only smoke weed for fun, you shouldn't smoke to escape from reality, because you can get addicted to the feeling of having no worries. just weed itself isn't addictive.
     
llBlackenedll wrote on 01/30/2012 - 08:08 am / quote |
I read this the other day, thought some of you may be interested... It's about a study (accidentally) showing how smoking marijuana is actually beneficial to your lungs:

http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/10/study-smokin g-marijuana-not-linked-with-lung-damage/
     
Blacksun68 wrote on 01/30/2012 - 08:59 am / quote |
If you can't understand music or be affected by it unless you're blunted, you're not a musician any more than someone who can't perform in a sport forum is an athlete without steroids.

Second, if the US really wanted a 'war on drugs,' they'd be helping Mexico deal with the cartel and trafficking issues that are severely hurting their people and taking a massive, negative toll on the land and culture. But the US doesn't, because there's no gain there like there was with oil in more recent years.

Third, with all the horrible, unjust things that are happening around the globe, people choosing to wage a ideological war of words and 'principle' based on something as big-picture insignificant as whether weed is legal or not shows little more than how spoiled they are.

If you're a musician, stick to making great music.


I agree with you on the first part bro, truly if you need weed to feel effected by music you're probably not that into music as you should, but as for the whole thing about wanting marijuana to be legalized and in turn being spoiled for wanting something like weed to be legal, It doesn't make you spoiled (unless you're the dude growing it) It just makes you want something to medicate your self, even if you don't really need it, personally it helps me relax, sleep, and focus allot better so i am for weed being legal, but if you're only doing it as a "Party drug" then you don't really want it for it's use you want it to get high (which is admittidly fun but in turn just a tad on the selfish side. However, if you can appreciate music and create it high, then by god if it gets you motivated light up a blunt and get jammin haha
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Plagueheart wrote on 01/30/2012 - 09:01 am / quote |
I completely agree with her, but weed is more dangerous in a different sense rather than for your health. Imagine a world full of stoners, it's just not feasible for mankind, it would put a hault on progress. But yes, weed helps you understand and get into the music 103453 times more. And yes, I smoke weed but can tell the dangers this would have towards our planet if it were legalized.
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Ostiones wrote on 01/30/2012 - 09:59 am / quote |
I think its all based on perception of the moments you choose to do it. I've had very very good experiences and very very bad ones as well with pot. If the band enjoys pot, let them! We're entitled with an opinion as much as a choice of what we want to do. One doesn't have to do ANYTHING to enjoy life itself, but pot is part of life too, is it not? It's cool everyone expresses an opinion, but why bicker over it. Just, stay legit, or smoke your blunts, and pass through life just like everyone right besides you does, in their unique possible way. I know I will (^_^)b
     
led_sevenfold wrote on 01/30/2012 - 10:22 am / quote |
Who is some Politician to tell me what i can or cant do to my self. It is no better than communist china. Prohibition does not work, look at alcohol
     
Reaper/chaos wrote on 02/07/2012 - 09:39 am / quote |
well i have to say.... i love arch enemy even more now!!! and i love everything about them!
The only reason weed aint legalized is because the goverment cant put a tax on it... not because its dangerous, otherwise alchohol would still be illegal... the government only cares about the size of its wallet...
     
Deadkennedys90 wrote on 02/19/2012 - 04:59 pm / quote |
Plagueheart wrote:

I completely agree with her, but weed is more dangerous in a different sense rather than for your health. Imagine a world full of stoners, it's just not feasible for mankind, it would put a hault on progress. But yes, weed helps you understand and get into the music 103453 times more. And yes, I smoke weed but can tell the dangers this would have towards our planet if it were legalized.
i dont think it would be dangerous for the world if weed was legal,i know lots of "stoners" that are cops, engineers, teachers, etc and they dont seem to be putting a hault to "progress"
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