Bullet For My Valentine: 'Fever' Debuts No 3 On Billboard Album Chart

Welsh rock band Bullet For My Valentine's album Fever debuts this week at #1 on both the Rock and Alternative charts and #3 Billboard's album chart. The highly anticipated 11-track record featuring the fuming single and video "Your Betrayal" was released on April 27 and is BFMV's top selling debut to date, selling over 71,000 units in the first week, a 34% increase over BFMV previous 2008 release Scream Aim Fire.

The fever has spread across the globe where Fever has made its mark on international album charts, hitting #2 on Japan's "international artist chart", #2 in Austria, #3 in Germany, #4 in Switzerland and #5 in the United Kingdom and Australia!

USA Today calls Fever "The hot-zone of 2010 rock-metal discs," while The Associated Press touts Fever's "blistering drum attack, tight power chords and...old school-styled, soaring guitar solos" and the BBC raves that "BFMV are aiming for world domination, and with Fever they may well achieve it."

Bullet For My Valentine is currently in the midst of a sold out national tour with support from Chiodos and Airbourne. Fans patiently await BFMV's celebratory performance tonight at Cannery Ballroom in Nashville, TN and the band's upcoming show at Ohio's Rock On The Range May 23rd.

Fever is Bullet For My Valentine's third album and follows 2008's Scream Aim Fire. The album was produced by Don Gilmore (Linkin Park) and recorded in both the band's native Wales and Los Angeles.

Comments

[deathofarev]

let the blasting begin, tbh i think it's a good album, then again i like all their albums, including SAf which people thought was weak, i mean jesus bands change, i like change i guess. but still congrats with the billboards thing

[obliviousibanez]

Haha i never thought id see the day when Bullet For My Valentine would be #3 on the Billboard album chart. Good for them. I'm all in support of diversifying the charts.

[larrytheguitar]

obliviousibanez wrote:

Haha i never thought id see the day when Bullet For My Valentine would be #3 on the Billboard album chart. Good for them. I'm all in support of diversifying the charts.

Diversifying? Bands like Bullet, Killswitch, and other radio friendly "metal" are always on the charts.

[JFRules]

ya that is because its metal for 13 year olds

[Skinny91]

Never really been a fan, but congratulations to them.

[leprecon90]

i like it.. bar the lyrics which a bit shite tbh.. but the riffs are pretty sick

[ChucklesMginty]

Metal by numbers 1, 2, 3...

[the Dustasaurus]

I do agree..their perception of metal is a little "childish." and I use that term loosely....but at least they can make metal that people actually want to listen to...modern day metal musicians tend to be in this endless struggle of trying to make their music more shitty and harder to listen to...so, A standing ovation for bfmv, keeping metal tolerable.....

[GuitarMozis]

ChucklesMginty wrote:

Metal by numbers 1, 2, 3...

Don't forget the Cookie Monster vox. =)

[threedaysgrace9]

saw them last night, they were awesome live. This album kicks ass, glad to see it up on the billboards.

[Widow6]

I'm happy for them.

[SaltyChicken]

JFRules wrote:

ya that is because its metal for 13 year olds

This. damn kids and their crappy tastes :\

[MegadethFan18]

The fever has spread across the globe
NO

I wasn't going to buy this cause I thought some of the songs were a bit soft. However it is actually fairly heavy and I am glad I did buy this CD.

Also it's awesome that they got in at number 3!

[EpiExplorer]

This is no surprise at all.

[Lonely]

i listen to the poison at least once a week so i think i can say:

why is this garbage nr3? i mean the poison was really good, SAF was ok but this album is just... SAF polished by mr clean, and its as boring as polishing your kitchen floor...

[Shabalaba]

I like it, it's not amazing by any means. The lyrics are generic and it's your bog standard metalcore guitar work. It's enjoyable though, it has decent hooks and melodies which keep it interesting.

Not even going to go into people slating music on the radio, it's that cringe worthy and testament how immature and narrow minded people are i just can't be arsed

[Gyoung1991]

bass-boy-garith wrote:

the Dustasaurus wrote:

I do agree..their perception of metal is a little "childish." and I use that term loosely....but at least they can make metal that people actually want to listen to...modern day metal musicians tend to be in this endless struggle of trying to make their music more shitty and harder to listen to...so, A standing ovation for bfmv, keeping metal tolerable.....

Aren't metal brah.

I don't know many. I saw them live and he said ****ing metal like 12 times. Their stage show reeks of immaturity, the singer curses about every other word.

[Alive@myfuneral]

this album is even more mediocre than 'Scream,Aim,Fire' so they really have phoned this one in.

[foosrule]

I appreciated The Poison, and SAF was a nice change in sound. But that's where it ends, this album is a boring version of SAF without the riff work I'm used to. BFMV has never been great, nor even metal in my opinion, but at least their other albums were original.

[foosrule]

THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA. Now that is where it's at kids.

[EPIC Branin]

If bullet doesnt have anything to do with metal then what are they? and support your answer!

[guitaristren]

foosrule wrote:

THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA. Now that is where it's at kids.

*shudder* they're even worse than the lyrics on fever

[BulletxFanx94]

I'm quite pleased with the new album but is definately not as good as The Poison but I think better than Scream AIm Fire bar a few songs.

I happy for them being #3 just a shame there going a little mainstream. Come on Bullet we want more Poison

[God_Knows]

the album sucks hard. but whatever.

[Magicant]

The album is horrid... Listen to The Last Fight or whatever its called. The solo is super amateurish, the lyrics are the same old recycled crap, and they still think that the singer's voice is metal.

In my opinion, biggest mistake ever.

[Gumle]

Well, no big surprise really but I had so high expectations for this album that at first I thought it sucked big time. It's not really that bad but the two first were a LOT better.

[yearzero]

EPIC Branin wrote:

If bullet doesnt have anything to do with metal then what are they? and support your answer!

I agree that arguing over genre is pointless, but I believe the argument here is that BFMV are "metalcore" which is a blend of both "metal" and "hardcore punk" both of which are 2 distinct genres. It's not that they don't have anything to do with metal given the obvious metal influence, but by a strict (and pointless) label they aren't metal.

Even the article calls them a rock band. They are played on my area's hard rock station more often than not.

It's a exercise in futility but technically

Metalcore ≠ Metal

[metalxsymphony]

the Dustasaurus wrote:

I do agree..their perception of metal is a little "childish." and I use that term loosely....but at least they can make metal that people actually want to listen to...modern day metal musicians tend to be in this endless struggle of trying to make their music more shitty and harder to listen to...so, A standing ovation for bfmv, keeping metal tolerable.....

yeah, and completely generic.

[Paydro91]

so a band goes mainstream makes them lame? are they like not suppose to be heard? not every mainstream band will sell out and i don't think these guys have.

They're good IMO and everyone has an opinion. I find it funny that ppl call them childish. Lets see you get a #3 album

[mr staind]

ok.scream aim and fire was a bad album and it peaked 4.From that i guess that the new album is not anything special

[BAM1104]

i don't see why everybody thinks they can criticize an album just because of their opinion. unless you've heard every song on the album, and you listen to other bands of the type, then how is it bad based on your judgement?

[kian89]

You gotta be kidding me

[goon316]

Good for them. Guitar solo's and heavy songs were basically old news 10 years ago and its all coming back, but people who should be happy about this stuff still find a reason to complain. I dig the new album and I'm glad music that actually takes talent to play is becoming popular again. I agree the lyrics aren't poetry, but your fooling yourself if you are saying the guitarist don't have talent.

I swear half the people on this site would bitch and complain that Vai, Satch, and Petrucci have no talent and are music by numbers if their music was played on the radio.

[yearzero]

Paydro91 wrote:

I find it funny that ppl call them childish. Lets see you get a #3 album

Being childish and being successful on the Billboard Charts aren't even closely related. Hell Blink-182 made it as far as #6 while embracing their childishness. I see your point but your criticism doesn't make sense.

[Sarykos]

foosrule wrote:

THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA. Now that is where it's at kids.

Nooooo! TDWP is just your typical shitty metalcore band that has no organization; all the parts of the songs are completely random, etc. It seems like some guys went in a garage, and said, "Hey all these riffs sound cool, let's throw them together in one shitty montage!"

[Vendim]

congratulations BFMV

[DimebagRob]

All the tracks follow the BFMV song formula. Cool Riffs-Awful singing and lyrics.

[Anik8]

Wow. 71,000 copies in the first week?! When did they become that big?
Fever, IMO, is crap. There is still some good riffing in a couple of songs, but thats all that's good about the album. There is absolutely no heaviness at all anymore. Neither vocally, nor productionwise. Though without a doubt the worst part of the album are the lyrics. I just cannot take the lyrics.
The Poison was the only decent think they've done, and I dont think they'll ever get back to that level, forget better.

[KissMaster]

JFRules wrote:

ya that is because its metal for 13 year olds

it isn't, really LOOOL and even if it was, so what? one word: talent.

[jetfuel495]

larrytheguitar wrote:

obliviousibanez wrote:

Haha i never thought id see the day when Bullet For My Valentine would be #3 on the Billboard album chart. Good for them. I'm all in support of diversifying the charts.

Diversifying? Bands like Bullet, Killswitch, and other radio friendly "metal" are always on the charts.

And they make up a relatively small portion of it, the rest is all rock, pop, and hip hop. So adding a little more, no matter how much you don't like it, is still diversifying.

Skinny91 wrote:

Never really been a fan, but congratulations to them.

This is the right attitude that UG needs to see more of.

Adam124 wrote:

You're just as narrow minded as the guy you're agruing with to be honest.

Score.

yearzero wrote:

I agree that arguing over genre is pointless, but I believe the argument here is that BFMV are "metalcore" which is a blend of both "metal" and "hardcore punk" both of which are 2 distinct genres. It's not that they don't have anything to do with metal given the obvious metal influence, but by a strict (and pointless) label they aren't metal.

Even the article calls them a rock band. They are played on my area's hard rock station more often than not.

It's a exercise in futility but technically

Metalcore ≠ Metal

Technically, metalcore is not a combo of metal and hardcore punk. That would have been NWOBHM, Thrash, etc. Metalcore is more influenced by plain old hardcore.

I could care less if you wouldn't classify BFMV as metal or not. But your logic is flawed. Simply because something is metalcore does not mean it isn't metal. Because it sure as hell isn't hardcore.

[Rock_Twist92]

i hate critics who think they have reason.

i used to think anything in the rock genre was stupid and "evil" but now i hear bands such as BFMV, As I Lay Dying and many different ones. i changed, people change and bands change. change is not a bad thing. if you like the change, stay with it, but if you dont, leave it, dont be an *******, and stop the being a hating critic.

[Rock_Twist92]

by the way, congrats to bullet!

[baspvn]

commercial bands are shit

[Butt-Head]

Diversifying? Bands like Bullet, Killswitch, and other radio friendly "metal" are always on the charts.

Lamb of God and Dethklok must be really radio friendly because they charted high on the top 200 also

[STifF92]

didn't expect that it would be that good. i'm still disappointed of the new style they got.

[MH400]

I adored The Poison and the EP, but this is pretty average.

[Ghrim]

foosrule wrote:

THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA. Now that is where it's at kids.

lol funny.

[Lemoninfluence]

checked

[michaelmunta]

ow, you're all criticising them, first let me see you sell 72,000 albums in first week and chart #3, allright? im waiting, oh mighty lyricist and songwriters...

[Alive@myfuneral]

michaelmunta wrote:

ow, you're all criticising them, first let me see you sell 72,000 albums in first week and chart #3, allright? im waiting, oh mighty lyricist and songwriters...

no one here is saying that they can do better but the bands success is not proof of their talent. there are hundreds of true metal acts out there who work their asses off trying to produce great albums for little reward and bands like bullet get all the recognition because they have a more mainstream sound.

they're no untalented but they're not exactly doing anything special that redefines the genre

[yearzero]

Jetfuel 495

Thank you for your input. I was attempting through educated experience to give the original poster a rational answer to a question that usually gets nothing but foolish responses. I could be wrong, but the original guy can look at both our posts and decide for himself at this point.

Thanks for challenging me without being a douche. It's a rarity in something like this.

[somedude789]

ChucklesMginty wrote:

Metal by numbers 1, 2, 3...

Follow these rules and you'll see!

on topic: I like this record execpt for the title track and Pleasure and Pain.

[metalmaniac90]

You people can blast it all you wan't but with those debut numbers its just meaningless shit talk.

[laklok]

I don't see what is the problem with everyone hating on Fever and SAF. Tbh i really like both of those albums better than the poison :P Don't get me wrong, i loved The Poison but it just seems too punk-ish for me now that i have strengthened my musical taste.

Oh yeah, btw saying stuff like BFMV is Metal for 13 year old's is absolute bullshit. People listen who what they like and that's it. I'm 15 and i still listen to them Even considering the fact of me being i Die hard Suicide Silence fan

[2mins2midnite]

Fail!

[laklok]

laklok wrote:

I don't see what is the problem with everyone hating on Fever and SAF. Tbh i really like both of those albums better than The Poison :P Don't get me wrong, i loved The Poison but it just seems too punk-ish for me now that i have strengthened my musical taste.

Oh yeah, btw saying stuff like BFMV is Metal for 13 year old's is absolute bullshit. People listen to what they like and that's it. I'm 15 and i still listen to them Even considering the fact of me being a Die hard Suicide Silence fan

Thought i'd correct myself So i did

[Reptilianriff]

I really don't get why people thought the album was bad. I thought it was pretty good. haters gonna hate.

[thegeetar12]

I liked Fever but not enough to purchase it. there were only the handful of songs i liked in it even though i love Bullet.

[al_rb]

you have to be shitting me!!!!! NUMBER 3!!!??? im sorry i love BFMV but this album is garbage

[al_rb]

you have to be shitting me!!!!! NUMBER 3!!!??? im sorry i love BFMV but this album is garbage

[metal4life34]

SaltyChicken wrote:

JFRules wrote:

ya that is because its metal for 13 year olds

This. damn kids and their crappy tastes :\

\
better than rap still

[Reversal]

i used to like BFMV, but F*** this album.

[lmpguitarist]

i dont like this album...its funny, my favorite song is the one they played on the mayhem tour last summer, but they changed it for the cd...its now pleasure and pain, but it used to actually be a good song. its a shame that their only bad cd is the one that gets the attention

[DaMarsbarPerson]

JFRules wrote:

ya that is because its metal for 13 year olds

it seems to me that kids alone couldn't get an album to number 3 on the billboard charts... Its still metal nonetheless and despite me being a big devildriver and children of bodom fan i still love bullet... And if you don't then there is seriously something going wrong in your brain

[randyaintdead82]

foosrule wrote:

THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA. Now that is where it's at kids.

You sound like a kid from my town. BAD FOOSRULE

[Freaking Out]

Can't believe some of the shit i've read here. Everyone seems to think you're only allowed to listen to one type of music - metal. Bunch of ****ing losers.
And this band is a pile of shit. Must be some serious fagboys on here.

[Xaur Kun]

Wat is wrong with people. u start to complain about people only liking a single type of music then u slag of music which people actually like because (pay close attention to this bit) its ****ing good music.
If u dont like the band then why read this and why comment ur only wasting ur own time.

oh yeah and
BULLET FOR MY VALENTINE = EPIC PWNAGE

[StereoSteve17]

ya that is because its metal for 13 year olds

whoa whoa ok you come out with some nice harmonies and riffs and ,make an album before you start blasting others...you cant do anything they do so i think you should shut your mouth.

[Fiddly Diddly69]

This album sucks so bad, I love their older albums but this is just crap, how could a band sell out after 3 albums? wait, thats called falming fanboys who like this crap

[StereoSteve17]

btw haters are pillow fluffers. Bullet for my valentine is best kind of metal...they actually have tone unlike faggot bands like devil wears prada or any other "hardcore" metal bands. if you sing like a girl in a band, your whole band is...well gay

[amp435]

success doesn't replace talent

[Guitarfreak777]

BBC raves that "BFMV are aiming for world domination, and with Fever they may well achieve it."

I wouldn't go that far.

[A Ghost Reverie]

HOLY LOL

THEY'RE SO BAAAAD THOUGH.

[loganpwns]

I don't get it, BFMV just can't please their fans. They went back to The Poison for this, yes, a little less screaming, but this is stupid.

If they didn't switch sounds a bit with SAF you would all be complaining "This band is terrible, they just make the same song over and over again"

Though, that's how it is with most fans and their favorite bands. You wonder WHY bands sell out? It's because either way, they're going to piss off their "fans". So why not make some money?

[SmittyMan90]

ChucklesMginty wrote:

Metal by numbers 1, 2, 3...

haha!

[SmittyMan90]

Alive@myfuneral wrote:

michaelmunta wrote:

ow, you're all criticising them, first let me see you sell 72,000 albums in first week and chart #3, allright? im waiting, oh mighty lyricist and songwriters...

no one here is saying that they can do better but the bands success is not proof of their talent. there are hundreds of true metal acts out there who work their asses off trying to produce great albums for little reward and bands like bullet get all the recognition because they have a more mainstream sound.

they're no untalented but they're not exactly doing anything special that redefines the genre

yeah look at the band Death. They got hardly any recognition int the 80s and 90s, just an underground following. and they were scores better than this metal.

[Mike Ryder]

Yeah, I'm proud of these guys and their success.
To be honest I'm a big B4MV fan, this new album is great but not as good as SAF, I don't know why so many people hate SAF.

[EdguyRule_22]

loganpwns wrote:

I don't get it, BFMV just can't please their fans. They went back to The Poison for this, yes, a little less screaming, but this is stupid.

If they didn't switch sounds a bit with SAF you would all be complaining "This band is terrible, they just make the same song over and over again"

Though, that's how it is with most fans and their favorite bands. You wonder WHY bands sell out? It's because either way, they're going to piss off their "fans". So why not make some money?

+ 1

I don't understand why people think everytime band makes a new album, it has to "redefine" the genre etc. As long as it's not that shitty hip-hop, rap shit all over the radios, I don't care.

[storyassassin]

EdguyRule_22 wrote:

loganpwns wrote:

I don't get it, BFMV just can't please their fans. They went back to The Poison for this, yes, a little less screaming, but this is stupid.

If they didn't switch sounds a bit with SAF you would all be complaining "This band is terrible, they just make the same song over and over again"

Though, that's how it is with most fans and their favorite bands. You wonder WHY bands sell out? It's because either way, they're going to piss off their "fans". So why not make some money?

+ 1

I don't understand why people think everytime band makes a new album, it has to "redefine" the genre etc. As long as it's not that shitty hip-hop, rap shit all over the radios, I don't care.

its agreed id rather have attack attack on the radio then rap music

[TwoDaysTwoNight]

its almost like these guys are following a formula these days. What happened to the days when metal was this big original thing where there were no rules? No it's just a game of who can make their songs sound the same as the last band on the charts

[qrEE]

ChucklesMginty wrote:

Metal by numbers 1, 2, 3...

when it comes to BFMV, THIS IS THE GAY PART.

I really hate this crap corporate music. Listen to Warbringer for good modern metal! Listen to Opeth! Listen to Death! Sucks that Chuck is dead, and it should have been BFMV to get cancer!

[loganpwns]

TwoDaysTwoNight wrote:

its almost like these guys are following a formula these days. What happened to the days when metal was this big original thing where there were no rules? No it's just a game of who can make their songs sound the same as the last band on the charts

Sorry to say, but if you're referring to Metal as in bands like Rose Funeral who are Death Metal, then do realize that all of their songs sound the same. Yes, they have good guitars and drums, but it's all the same.

[Shreddinator666]

Good for them man, I love BFMV. I saw them at the Bamboozle in NJ and they put on a decent show. All the haters need to stop being so immature and shut their mouthes.

[niejel]

amp435 wrote:

success doesn't replace talent

yet success requires talent.

[tony78]

Loved all their other stuff but the new album was bad..I guess they got what they wanted a mainstream radio friendly crowd..They will be on tour with nickelback soon enough..More power to them..hopefully future material will bring back the chaos and screaming we all love..

[espChris93]

obliviousibanez wrote:

Haha i never thought id see the day when Bullet For My Valentine would be #3 on the Billboard album chart. Good for them. I'm all in support of diversifying the charts.

do you know what diversity is? this is the same crap thats always on the chart.. and in response to the other posts im not one of the guys that dont like bullet becuase they "changed" i dont like them becuase every record is the exact same bland garbage

[espChris93]

niejel wrote:

amp435 wrote:

success doesn't replace talent


yet success requires talent.

hahah vanilla ice, nickelback, blink-182, nsync, and brokencycde are all famous and rich(or at least used to be) and some people consider that success and these "bands" dont have an ounce of talent

[espChris93]

storyassassin wrote:

EdguyRule_22 wrote:

loganpwns wrote:

I don't get it, BFMV just can't please their fans. They went back to The Poison for this, yes, a little less screaming, but this is stupid.

If they didn't switch sounds a bit with SAF you would all be complaining "This band is terrible, they just make the same song over and over again"

Though, that's how it is with most fans and their favorite bands. You wonder WHY bands sell out? It's because either way, they're going to piss off their "fans". So why not make some money?

+ 1

I don't understand why people think everytime band makes a new album, it has to "redefine" the genre etc. As long as it's not that shitty hip-hop, rap shit all over the radios, I don't care.


its agreed id rather have attack attack on the radio then rap music

you need to listen to common, mos def, talib kweli, or even public enemy the hip-hop artists that are actually artists who are intelligent and write great pieces of music. not that mainstream bastardization of hip-hop thats on mtv and the radio

[Johnny1029]

Geez, what is people's beef with music lately. Oooh they didn't scream enough, oooh they didn't sing enough, oooh they aren't heavy enough or tuned down low enough. As soon as a band tries something different every person comes out of the wood work to throw negative, poor critic, comments at them. I for one liked the album and you know why because it was different.

Bands try different things because they don't want their music to get boring. What's the point of writing and producing new albums if all people will do is complain about how they should have hit different notes through certain parts of the song. Music is not about being heavy or brutal it's about being good to your ears. Plus they make music how they want for their liking not yours. You liking the album is the result of liking what you here.

To finish up if you like The Poison so much then go ahead and listen to it until you bury the album into the ground and while you do that I'll be enjoying something fresh. Don't get me wrong I liked the Poison more than the next person but guys it's time to move on and accept and if you can't then stop whining about it on forums and just let it go.

Congrats Bullet on a job well done and **** you to all the haters that have nothing better to do than bash bands for not staying the same.

[PatrekurÖrn]

the guitars are good but the singer is vomit incarnate

[thrashmonkey]

Johnny1029 wrote:

Geez, what is people's beef with music lately. Oooh they didn't scream enough, oooh they didn't sing enough, oooh they aren't heavy enough or tuned down low enough. As soon as a band tries something different every person comes out of the wood work to throw negative, poor critic, comments at them. I for one liked the album and you know why because it was different.

Bands try different things because they don't want their music to get boring. What's the point of writing and producing new albums if all people will do is complain about how they should have hit different notes through certain parts of the song. Music is not about being heavy or brutal it's about being good to your ears. Plus they make music how they want for their liking not yours. You liking the album is the result of liking what you here.

To finish up if you like The Poison so much then go ahead and listen to it until you bury the album into the ground and while you do that I'll be enjoying something fresh. Don't get me wrong I liked the Poison more than the next person but guys it's time to move on and accept and if you can't then stop whining about it on forums and just let it go.

Congrats Bullet on a job well done and **** you to all the haters that have nothing better to do than bash bands for not staying the same.

Couldn't have said it better myself

[Fazemelta666]

BFMV are amazin', bit I hate it when people describe their music as "metal for kids". I mean, come on! I'm only 14, but the Big Four still shit on most of what gets released nowadays, includin' Bullet, even though they're amazing. The only bands nowadays that can keep up with the big four are the likes of Slipknot and Machine Head.

[A CATSHOVEL]

foosrule wrote:

THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA. Now that is where it's at kids.

Lol, that is hardly even music. I didn't like Fever at first, but I liked it a lot better after a few more listens. Then again, I didn't start listening to Bullet until after the release of Scream Aim Fire, so I was never a hardcore fan of The Poison.

[sliceofpizza]

meh kinda liked this album. so... cool beans!

[NzZU]

BULLET ROCKS!!!!!And i have been waiting for it a long time ago.And it isnt "child" music at all....

[NzZU]

NzZU wroteid i said that BULLET ROCKS!!!!!


BULLET ROCKS!!!!!And i have been waiting for it a long time ago.And it isnt "child" music at all....

[metalfr3ak666]

in other news, i took a dump!
...no seriously, that's great for them, but front page? seriously, isn't there more important stuff then this?

[Kwyjibo2006]

I'm sure I speak for a lot of us when I say that, while I wasn't a huge fan of Fever, congrats to them.

[saintjimmy924]

Good for them! I could never get into them though.

[slash fan #1]

Why comment if you're gunna hate? Idiotic cunts
I love the album

[iro-bot31]

espChris93 wrote:

storyassassin wrote:

EdguyRule_22 wrote:

loganpwns wrote:

I don't get it, BFMV just can't please their fans. They went back to The Poison for this, yes, a little less screaming, but this is stupid.

If they didn't switch sounds a bit with SAF you would all be complaining "This band is terrible, they just make the same song over and over again"

Though, that's how it is with most fans and their favorite bands. You wonder WHY bands sell out? It's because either way, they're going to piss off their "fans". So why not make some money?

+ 1

I don't understand why people think everytime band makes a new album, it has to "redefine" the genre etc. As long as it's not that shitty hip-hop, rap shit all over the radios, I don't care.


its agreed id rather have attack attack on the radio then rap music

you need to listen to common, mos def, talib kweli, or even public enemy the hip-hop artists that are actually artists who are intelligent and write great pieces of music. not that mainstream bastardization of hip-hop thats on mtv and the radio

This, and also add Kid Cudi to the list. His live concert is better than most rock concerts I've seen.

As for BFMV, the album is extremely generic, which contributes in no small part to the success and popularity of it. Undoubtedly people will become fans of them because of this album, and hopefully will grow to like their older "true form" metal that is the Poison. I'm not really a fan, though my band usually plays a Tears Don't Fall jam and I dig that song, but if this exposes more people to the metal side of music than this album is a success despite its lack of creativity.

[overkill127]

metal for kids who don't spend their money on drugs and buy the cd instead

[slipknot5678]

Don't like their music, but congratulations to them. People need to get over it.

[dyl24]

Magicant wrote:

The album is horrid... Listen to The Last Fight or whatever its called. The solo is super amateurish, the lyrics are the same old recycled crap, and they still think that the singer's voice is metal.

In my opinion, biggest mistake ever.

The solo being "ametuerish" isn't really a bad thing, a solo doesn't have to be complex for it to be a good solo, look at knocking on heavens door guns'n'roses version solo, it's piss easy but it's still a great solo.
I think this album wasn't to bad to be honest, good effort on bfmv behalf, keep rocking me thinks.

[Mr_Cbone93]

EPIC Branin wrote:

If bullet doesnt have anything to do with metal then what are they? and support your answer!

thats just people trying to find something to bitch about, i dont care at all about these people that try to say bullet sucks whenever they get the chance, i think if bullet wants to change their sound and get more airtime, more power to them

[Mr_Cbone93]

espChris93 wrote:

niejel wrote:

amp435 wrote:

success doesn't replace talent


yet success requires talent.


hahah vanilla ice, nickelback, blink-182, nsync, and brokencycde are all famous and rich(or at least used to be) and some people consider that success and these "bands" dont have an ounce of talent

then who gives a **** about talent? people listen to music cuz they think it sounds good they dont get all technical and try as hard as they can to turn it to shit.

[KramerW5150]

Gyoung1991 wrote:

bass-boy-garith wrote:

the Dustasaurus wrote:

I do agree..their perception of metal is a little "childish." and I use that term loosely....but at least they can make metal that people actually want to listen to...modern day metal musicians tend to be in this endless struggle of trying to make their music more shitty and harder to listen to...so, A standing ovation for bfmv, keeping metal tolerable.....

Aren't metal brah.

I don't know many. I saw them live and he said ****ing metal like 12 times. Their stage show reeks of immaturity, the singer curses about every other word.

what would you like him to say? look up skid row live at whembley..bach talks about how they tried to put a ban on the more f**k at a rock show..no they are allowed to curse..its f**kin rock n roll

and this band is makin the charts...its a good thing!!!! anyone who disagrees is mental..i mean i dont wanna see f**kin taio cruzes "rokstarr" on the charts..he sings pop..im tired of popstars and rappers saying their rockstars and party like rockstars.//well cuz of their garbage there is no real rockstars anymore and we need them

as for ppl who dont think this is metal? personally i dont find screaming and f**kin pig squeeling that appealing.. obviously music that makes you bang your head off the wall..aint gonna be on the radio..and it def wont be on the radio if you cant understand a word they are saying..might as well have no words????

[Hellview]

BFMV is ruining metal and turning fans of other bands into emo style dirtbags. If Dimebag was still around he would be PISSED.

[Aliens-exist182]

the Dustasaurus wrote:

I do agree..their perception of metal is a little "childish." and I use that term loosely....but at least they can make metal that people actually want to listen to...modern day metal musicians tend to be in this endless struggle of trying to make their music more shitty and harder to listen to...so, A standing ovation for bfmv, keeping metal tolerable.....

this

[izzizz]

wtf? seriously?
'Rock and Alternative charts'
ahh, no wonder. decent album though

[Batvanvaiych]

Shabalaba wrote:

I like it, it's not amazing by any means. The lyrics are generic and it's your bog standard metalcore guitar work. It's enjoyable though, it has decent hooks and melodies which keep it interesting.

Not even going to go into people slating music on the radio, it's that cringe worthy and testament how immature and narrow minded people are i just can't be arsed

i completely agree, it deosnt deserve to win any "best ___" awards, however its fun to listen to, i mean theres FAR worse music to listen to

[Gottmann]

jetfuel495 wrote:

larrytheguitar wrote:

obliviousibanez wrote:

Haha i never thought id see the day when Bullet For My Valentine would be #3 on the Billboard album chart. Good for them. I'm all in support of diversifying the charts.

Diversifying? Bands like Bullet, Killswitch, and other radio friendly "metal" are always on the charts.And they make up a relatively small portion of it, the rest is all rock, pop, and hip hop. So adding a little more, no matter how much you don't like it, is still diversifying.Skinny91 wrote:

Never really been a fan, but congratulations to them.This is the right attitude that UG needs to see more of.Adam124 wrote:

You're just as narrow minded as the guy you're agruing with to be honest.Score.yearzero wrote:

I agree that arguing over genre is pointless, but I believe the argument here is that BFMV are "metalcore" which is a blend of both "metal" and "hardcore punk" both of which are 2 distinct genres. It's not that they don't have anything to do with metal given the obvious metal influence, but by a strict (and pointless) label they aren't metal.

Even the article calls them a rock band. They are played on my area's hard rock station more often than not.

It's a exercise in futility but technically

Metalcore ≠ Metal


Technically, metalcore is not a combo of metal and hardcore punk. That would have been NWOBHM, Thrash, etc. Metalcore is more influenced by plain old hardcore.

I could care less if you wouldn't classify BFMV as metal or not. But your logic is flawed. Simply because something is metalcore does not mean it isn't metal. Because it sure as hell isn't hardcore.

No one cares.

[ZachyV]

Metal is becoming more ridiculous every year. I can't imagine what the guys of Pantera, Sabbath, etc think of when they hear the bullshit metal today. Guttural growls and incomprehensible screaming? BFMV is showing what old school metal was with heavy guitar and drums, not ridiculous vocals. ROCK ON BFMV!

[niejel]

espChris93 wrote:

niejel wrote:

amp435 wrote:

success doesn't replace talent


yet success requires talent.

hahah vanilla ice, nickelback, blink-182, nsync, and brokencycde are all famous and rich(or at least used to be) and some people consider that success and these "bands" dont have an ounce of talent

you said it. USED TO BE. :]

Yet here we are with Bullet For My Valentine, along with other metal artists with talent. or are we just focusing on the musicality?

blink182 creates good music, not with their instruments but with the lyrics. that's why they make good serenade songs (yes, seriously, I did it twice) for punk girls. ahahaha.

[thrashmonkey]

Hellview wrote:

BFMV is ruining metal and turning fans of other bands into emo style dirtbags. If Dimebag was still around he would be PISSED.

I think what Dime would really be pissed about is people using his name to disparage other bands. Of course Bullet aren't as good as Dime! Dime's a f**kin legend! Bullet are no legends, but they're pretty damn good.

[SHREDDER_DUDE:)]

I think this album wasn't anticipated to be a metal album and even according to Matt Tuck the album was aiming for a hard rock sort of genre. Good album, but is not as good as some of the other metalcore releases.

[SHREDDER_DUDE:)]

ya that is because its metal for 13 year olds

Actually if you look at the more brutal side of metalcore you can find bands like As I Lay Dying, August Burns Red and Unearth.These bands are actually hard to listen to for most teenagers.

[wicked_hobbit]

goon316 wrote:

Good for them. Guitar solo's and heavy songs were basically old news 10 years ago and its all coming back, but people who should be happy about this stuff still find a reason to complain. I dig the new album and I'm glad music that actually takes talent to play is becoming popular again. I agree the lyrics aren't poetry, but your fooling yourself if you are saying the guitarist don't have talent.

I swear half the people on this site would bitch and complain that Vai, Satch, and Petrucci have no talent and are music by numbers if their music was played on the radio.

I swear no one's complaining about their guitar playing abilities. Many of their riffs and solos are quite technical and melodic. I think the major issues that people have with Bullet are their songwriting, lyrics and perhaps the vocals.

[fcukyoufirefly]

Fucking awesome album! Bullet is great!

[b4mvthrasher]

Oh for god's sake, who cares if you like them or not? They're making millions of dollars doing what they love while making music that legions of people adore throughout the world, including me. You can probably tell from my username that I'm a massive Bullet fan and I'm always going to back them up but good lord, just be happy for the fact that they're opening up a whole new genre of music for group of people who see metal music as something which is "evil" and "unholy".

[apak]

larrytheguitar wrote:

obliviousibanez wrote:

Haha i never thought id see the day when Bullet For My Valentine would be #3 on the Billboard album chart. Good for them. I'm all in support of diversifying the charts.

Diversifying? Bands like Bullet, Killswitch, and other radio friendly "metal" are always on the charts.

who says it's metal. it's metalcore/hard rock and I enjoy it as just that. Sometimes, you need to satisfy a metal fix, but sometimes, you want a hard rock fix and this is perfect for it.

[EpiExplorer]

SHREDDER_DUDE wrote:

ya that is because its metal for 13 year olds

Actually if you look at the more brutal side of metalcore you can find bands like As I Lay Dying, August Burns Red and Unearth.These bands are actually hard to listen to for most teenagers.

Hard as a limp dick. Its still the same prancing post teenage 'adults' using the same ideas with a different vocalist.. as SikTh have said: 'You're all the same'.

[trussrodking]

guitaristren wrote:

foosrule wrote:

THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA. Now that is where it's at kids.

*shudder* they're even worse than the lyrics on fever

^^^this my friend is a LOL of a comment and i agree with you about TDWP

[Laimbo]

I have been a fan since their EP and I don't mind the new album. The singing is a bit fruity, I liked them more when they were more screaming, and the lyrics... I don't even know what to say. But I do like the music even if it hasn't really evolved very much. It is good to see them in the charts. I wont stop liking them just because they are popular, more heavy music in the charts is not a bad thing, but I do hope they don't let it get to them and go all silverchair-ish to expand their fan base.

[trussrodking]

niejel wrote:

amp435 wrote:

success doesn't replace talent

yet success requires talent.

^^^are you for fu***** real? look at the ting tings for shit sake in australia they're quite big and they have NO talent what so ever so in saying..."success requires talent"..? NO my friend, your wrong

[trussrodking]

Laimbo wrote:

I have been a fan since their EP and I don't mind the new album. The singing is a bit fruity, I liked them more when they were more screaming, and the lyrics... I don't even know what to say. But I do like the music even if it hasn't really evolved very much. It is good to see them in the charts. I wont stop liking them just because they are popular, more heavy music in the charts is not a bad thing, but I do hope they don't let it get to them and go all silverchair-ish to expand their fan base.

OMG imo you made a GREAT point about relating them going all 'silverchair-ish' couldnt agree more

[trussrodking]

i bloody logged on to download some guitar exercises and now here i am posting stuff about some band that i like and some success they've acquired..lol

[snow...]

Wait since when were BFMV metalcore?, makes no sense ^^. I don't know much about sub genres but I doubt they are metalcore. Asking Alexandria, BMTH (recently) and I'm guessing TDWP are metalcore from what I know, I really doubt you can compare these bands to BFMV.

It's true though, metal is for 13 year olds :p

[T7E]

I used to love B4MV....but then i hit puberty

[mulletman619]

KissMaster wrote:

JFRules wrote:

ya that is because its metal for 13 year olds


it isn't, really LOOOL and even if it was, so what? one word: talent.

lets try a different word:
No.

[theczar]

JFRules wrote:

ya that is because its metal for 13 year olds

+1 Amen to that

[theczar]

Paydro91 wrote:

so a band goes mainstream makes them lame? are they like not suppose to be heard? not every mainstream band will sell out and i don't think these guys have.

They're good IMO and everyone has an opinion. I find it funny that ppl call them childish. Lets see you get a #3 album

So record sales equal talent? If that's the case then Justin Beiber and Miley Cyrus rule!

[JD+Thrash=win]

Ahh, theres nothing more metal than hate, keep it coming guys

And for all those people who used the "lets see you sell 75000 albums, blah blah blah" defence, id like to share with you a story.

One day, one of my friends thought it would be cool to see if he could land a backflip off a 2 meter wall to impress us. He ended up breaking his knee and spending two weeks in hospital in agony. Now, neither I or any of my other friends attempted to do this, but we all still called him a ****ing idiot for doing it.

My point is you don't have to have done somthing in order to critise it.

[snuh juh]

Bullet for my valentine are mainstream??

[Ali-b912]

Butt-Head wrote:

Diversifying? Bands like Bullet, Killswitch, and other radio friendly "metal" are always on the charts.

Lamb of God and Dethklok must be really radio friendly because they charted high on the top 200 also

LoG are trend metal either way. And Dethklok are on goddamn TV, so radio doesn't matter.

Also, Justin Beiber is more metal then these guys. Everyone hates him because of how he dresses, acts, and sings. I'm not even ****ing joking.

[SonOfPest]

loganpwns wrote:

TwoDaysTwoNight wrote:

its almost like these guys are following a formula these days. What happened to the days when metal was this big original thing where there were no rules? No it's just a game of who can make their songs sound the same as the last band on the charts

Sorry to say, but if you're referring to Metal as in bands like Rose Funeral who are Death Metal, then do realize that all of their songs sound the same. Yes, they have good guitars and drums, but it's all the same.

No you just have shitty slow ears, and too simple of a mind to process the notes in death metal. Bullet For My Faggotry sound EXACTLY, I repeat EXACTLY the same as 99% of metalcore bands. The only difference is that they do not often use breakdowns. Their melodies are the same on every song, and their solos are mediocre. Apparantly the singer thinks he is really "****ing metal". Jesus ****ing Christ. It is stupid, ignorant simple minded people like you that really, really piss me off. "ALL DEATH METAL SOUNDS DA SAMMMEEEE!!!!1111" NO! IT DOESN'T! Listen to Necrophagist and then Nile. Hahahaha they sound exactly the same right (according to you)? Fuck you.

[Hearshot Kid94]

yearzero wrote:

Paydro91 wrote:

I find it funny that ppl call them childish. Lets see you get a #3 album


Being childish and being successful on the Billboard Charts aren't even closely related. Hell Blink-182 made it as far as #6 while embracing their childishness. I see your point but your criticism doesn't make sense.

blink is a different story. at least they embraced it and they knew they did. BFMV's music is kind of like when you see a twelve year old acting like he's twenty seven.
absolutely annoying.

[metalcore123]

larrytheguitar wrote:

obliviousibanez wrote:

Haha i never thought id see the day when Bullet For My Valentine would be #3 on the Billboard album chart. Good for them. I'm all in support of diversifying the charts.

Diversifying? Bands like Bullet, Killswitch, and other radio friendly "metal" are always on the charts.

Sigh, I miss Jesse. Atleast his stuff wasn't radio-friendly-bad.

[Paydro91]

Hearshot Kid94 wrote:

yearzero wrote:

Paydro91 wrote:

I find it funny that ppl call them childish. Lets see you get a #3 album


Being childish and being successful on the Billboard Charts aren't even closely related. Hell Blink-182 made it as far as #6 while embracing their childishness. I see your point but your criticism doesn't make sense.


blink is a different story. at least they embraced it and they knew they did. BFMV's music is kind of like when you see a twelve year old acting like he's twenty seven.
absolutely annoying.

"Everyone is sick of caring, No silver lining on the cloud that covers you, Let it pour and soak you through, No hunted desperation"

"Hey mom theres something in the backroom, I hope its not the creatures from above, You used to read me stories, As if my dreams were boring"

"Late night, come home,Work sucks, I know, She left me roses by the stairs, Surprises let me know she cares"

"I hope you're happy and hurting inside
I want you to choke when you swallow your pride
Lay in your coffin asleep with your sins
Give me the nails and I'll hammer them in"

Which is better? Again everyone has an opinion i was just saying.

[Amito]

This is so generic, hence why it has charted so high

[mr freezy]

Personally I'm happy for them. They went from being a small metalcore band from Wales to one of the biggest bands in the world. Sure, they may not be "true" enough for some people, but they could get kids liking heavier music.

[SumFX]

mr freezy wrote:

Personally I'm happy for them. They went from being a small metalcore band from Wales to one of the biggest bands in the world. Sure, they may not be "true" enough for some people, but they could get kids liking heavier music.

is that a good thing? i dunno

[Nameless742]

Selling out will get you on the charts.
I really like Bullet's older stuff. SAF was okay.
This Album is definately poor in my own opinion.
I was disappointed.
Next disappointment in line : Avenged Sevenfold's latest.

[loganpwns]

SonOfPest wrote:

loganpwns wrote:

TwoDaysTwoNight wrote:

its almost like these guys are following a formula these days. What happened to the days when metal was this big original thing where there were no rules? No it's just a game of who can make their songs sound the same as the last band on the charts

Sorry to say, but if you're referring to Metal as in bands like Rose Funeral who are Death Metal, then do realize that all of their songs sound the same. Yes, they have good guitars and drums, but it's all the same.


No you just have shitty slow ears, and too simple of a mind to process the notes in death metal. Bullet For My Faggotry sound EXACTLY, I repeat EXACTLY the same as 99% of metalcore bands. The only difference is that they do not often use breakdowns. Their melodies are the same on every song, and their solos are mediocre. Apparantly the singer thinks he is really "****ing metal". Jesus ****ing Christ. It is stupid, ignorant simple minded people like you that really, really piss me off. "ALL DEATH METAL SOUNDS DA SAMMMEEEE!!!!1111" NO! IT DOESN'T! Listen to Necrophagist and then Nile. Hahahaha they sound exactly the same right (according to you)? Fuck you.

People like YOU piss me off. You're so arrogant. Death metal is all grunts and screams. HOW AWESOME!!!!! Really? I mean, if you like ****ing up your neck, go ahead and listen. That's ALL it is good for.

Yes, BFMV sound like most metalcore bands, but, despite what you say, all Death Metal does sound the same,

Expand your musical taste to bands that can actually SING and not just grunt.

[SonOfPest]

Opeth
Iron Maiden
As I Lay Dying (An Ocean Between Us)
Black Sabbath
That is just a few.


Death metal is not all grunts and screams. It is blistering fast solos and insane technicality, with insane drum beats. Shut the **** you. You clearly do not know shit. You probably do not even play an instrument. Plus a lot of death metal vocalists can "SING" but they choose not to. Who the **** would sing to downtuned, dark, heavy music? It doesn't sound right. Fact.

[Paydro91]

theczar wrote:

So record sales equal talent? If that's the case then Justin Beiber and Miley Cyrus rule!

alrite so Gunz and Roses 1st album wasn't good at all. Juut got a lot of sales right? so it sucked, i get your point man.

[foosrule]

Sarykos wrote:

foosrule wrote:

THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA. Now that is where it's at kids.

Nooooo! TDWP is just your typical shitty metalcore band that has no organization; all the parts of the songs are completely random, etc. It seems like some guys went in a garage, and said, "Hey all these riffs sound cool, let's throw them together in one shitty montage!"

Not really sure metalcore is based off of organization...maybe you have confused your genres.

[foosrule]

Nameless742 wrote:

Selling out will get you on the charts.
I really like Bullet's older stuff. SAF was okay.
This Album is definately poor in my own opinion.
I was disappointed.
Next disappointment in line : Avenged Sevenfold's latest.

I agree with both parts, Ax7's album will be all hype and probably be the let down I'm expecting.

[bladelee4]

may 21st st louis im going...so glad to see you guys (:

[jjband93]

fever is a good album imo as for all their other album

[Richardbs]

Alive@myfuneral wrote:

michaelmunta wrote:

ow, you're all criticising them, first let me see you sell 72,000 albums in first week and chart #3, allright? im waiting, oh mighty lyricist and songwriters...

no one here is saying that they can do better but the bands success is not proof of their talent. there are hundreds of true metal acts out there who work their asses off trying to produce great albums for little reward and bands like bullet get all the recognition because they have a more mainstream sound.

they're no untalented but they're not exactly doing anything special that redefines the genre

You don't have to 'redefine the genre' to make a good album. I bought the album the day after it was released and I'm still just as addicted to it as I was the day I bought it.

[DoomsDave]

JFRules wrote:

ya that is because its metal for 13 year olds

And that sounds like something that would come.. from a 13 year old's mouth. Go put your Slayer back on, you successful musician, you.

[DoomsDave]

the Dustasaurus wrote:

I do agree..their perception of metal is a little "childish." and I use that term loosely....but at least they can make metal that people actually want to listen to...modern day metal musicians tend to be in this endless struggle of trying to make their music more shitty and harder to listen to...so, A standing ovation for bfmv, keeping metal tolerable.....

Completely unbiased and diplomatic, yet objective. Best post on the band's success yet.

[DoomsDave]

foosrule wrote:

I appreciated The Poison, and SAF was a nice change in sound. But that's where it ends, this album is a boring version of SAF without the riff work I'm used to. BFMV has never been great, nor even metal in my opinion, but at least their other albums were original.

This album has the best vox in my opinion, as Matt has clearly gotten his groove back on the clean side of things.

More original, maybe - but this album arguably has the least filler on it ("Forever And Always" wasn't on par with the tempo of the rest of SAF I don't think).

They really tried to make this album all it could be while straying from the benchmark The Poison formula everybody salivates for and still managed #3. to this I say kudos. Say what you want about your underground metal acts of love and loyalty, there's a reason they're still underground and it starts with song writing ability (and certainly doesn't end with thrash capability).

[DoomsDave]

God_Knows wrote:

the album sucks hard. but whatever.

Yeah, coming from a successful metal act like yourself I completely see the validity, worth and substance of your opinion on this one. Keep the integrity rolling in, envious trollers.

[DoomsDave]

Paydro91 wrote:

so a band goes mainstream makes them lame? are they like not suppose to be heard? not every mainstream band will sell out and i don't think these guys have.

They're good IMO and everyone has an opinion. I find it funny that ppl call them childish. Lets see you get a #3 album

I think that's just about the only response left unjustified by the majority of hypocrites left attempting to ridicule and dismantle Bullet's obvious talent, here.

Push, pull and tear them out and into any genre of judgment you wish, but #3 on a chart that feeds more on straight up Pop is pretty impressive to me - and thankfully to Bullet themselves, which propels them to try even harder to retain what they have created.

Lyrically, the album it's Matt's, alone. For anybody to bash these things is no different than denying their own humanity.

[DoomsDave]

Magicant wrote:

The album is horrid... Listen to The Last Fight or whatever its called. The solo is super amateurish, the lyrics are the same old recycled crap, and they still think that the singer's voice is metal.

In my opinion, biggest mistake ever.

You're right. Coming from a hardcore fan like yourself, everybody who purchased the album (and got it up to #3) must not be as hardcore as you are to even have the right to an opinion on the album. But hey they bought it on a whim, I guess. Sucks for them to be as surprised as you I suppose.

[DoomsDave]

DimebagRob wrote:

All the tracks follow the BFMV song formula. Cool Riffs-Awful singing and lyrics.

When did Metalc

mr freezy wrote:

Personally I'm happy for them. They went from being a small metalcore band from Wales to one of the biggest bands in the world. Sure, they may not be "true" enough for some people, but they could get kids liking heavier music.

Right on the money, man. And that's what it's all about when they lean off the lighter side of things; it still includes an element of metal to it and if that can get a hip hop hippie to give Metallica a chance, good on them for that then.

[the..........]

i dont get it they change there sound peole and complain or they stay the same and people complain that there geting repetitive. also people hate you because you get popular....jelous much people.

[Mr_Cbone93]

JD+Thrash=win wrote:

Ahh, theres nothing more metal than hate, keep it coming guys

And for all those people who used the "lets see you sell 75000 albums, blah blah blah" defence, id like to share with you a story.

One day, one of my friends thought it would be cool to see if he could land a backflip off a 2 meter wall to impress us. He ended up breaking his knee and spending two weeks in hospital in agony. Now, neither I or any of my other friends attempted to do this, but we all still called him a ****ing idiot for doing it.

My point is you don't have to have done somthing in order to critise it.

yea i dont think jumping of a 2 meter wall and selling 75000 albums are in the same category, dumbasses dont sell 75000 albums, but they quite frequently will do something as ****ing stupid as jumping off a 2 meter wall.
my point, "critise" isnt a word dumbass

[bfmvcrazy]

uhm you can probably tell by my username that i love this band?

so yeah i thought the lyrics were crap but thats just the usual! **** lyrics. the music is great and for you people arguing that they are mainstream.... thats just not true. sure they get a bit more radio play with "your betrayal" and stuff but in reailty they are not mainstream. compare them to taylor swift. justin bieber. miley ****ing cyrus. this is good music guys