"Metal Zone" host Nikki Blakk of the 107.7 The Bone radio station conducted an interview with Megadeth mainman Dave Mustaine on August 31, 2010 when the band played at the Cow Palace in San Francisco, California during the "American Carnage" tour with Slayer and Testament. You can now watch the chat below.
When asked if he was still "avid in following politics," Mustaine replied, "I have tried not to say anything right now because I'm so freaked out about what's happening to our country. I mean, it looks like we're sprinting down the path to socialism and I don't understand where the American people are right now. You wanna impeach a guy for getting a blowjob yet you have a guy that's destroying our country and you just let him run rampant.
"I don't understand that. I know a generation ago that this wouldn't have happened. It seems like we're just — like I said — sprinting towards socialism, and I don't wanna be a socialist. I like living in a free America. The idea that if you have a chicken in a democracy is that it's your chicken; if you're in socialism, it's everybody's chicken. It's like a communist country. And the idea of the U.S.S.R.A [laughs], it just doesn't have a good ring to it.
"My God, look at the marketplace right now. This president promised 500,000 new jobs, we have 500,000 less jobs, so he missed that by one million. And I just think, 'God, how can you be so out of touch?'"
Megadeth's "Rust In Peace Live" CD — which captures the final night of the band's historic month-long "Rust In Peace" 20th anniversary tour — sold around 3,000 copies in the United States in its first week of release to debut at position No. 161 on The Billboard 200 chart. Meanwhile, the DVD version of "Rust In Peace Live" shifted around 2,600 units to land at No. 3 on the Top Music Videos chart.
PatVanHalen5150 wrote:
Oh good, let the whining begin from the libtards.
I'd prefer whining about something political, even if the whiner doesn't have a clue as to what's going on, to whining about the fact that some people in the future, whose differing political viewpoint marks them as mentally deficient, may whine as well.
You and Dave Mustaine are both whining about something that hasn't happened .
I'll leave the political flame war to others, neither side will change their minds so it's pointless. I will know to ignore Mustaine's mindless word-vomit in the future though.
ok, that's when you realize that the guy is just plain ignorant, please, just talk about guitars Dave...
And I thought he was supposed to have been be saved by god or something from his drug habits ? I might be dumb, but Jesus was all about sharing, forgiving and loving... When you think about it, how can you be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time...mmmm?
Please refrain from flame wars and arguing. (Note: I said arguing, not polite and healthy debate. That's OK.) Anything more will be met with appropriate consequences.
Holy **** how stupid is Dave? Socialism equals communism? That's ****in bullshit, you can have easily run a democracy with socialist values, open your ****in mind.. man, ignorance like that pisses me off.
He's right about our country becoming socialist. He didnt say that we are, but we are HEADING THAT WAY, and that really is true. I dont believe it will come to that though, but I hope to god that Obama doesnt get re-elected. I feel like the only politician who has good ideas and actually cares for our country's freedom at the moment is Ron Paul. But I dont think that he could win the presidency, so IDK. America is just not in the greatest of places right now. The one thing that our country must keep is the most powerful military, or else I honestly think we are screwed.
Socialism is a far cry from communism...if done right. I don't agree w/ Dave's political standpoint, but I certainly do doubt that Americans are ready for the next step in social evolution. His doubts are certainly based on the fact that if America goes in that direction,it may just snowball to far. But at the same time, I'd like to believe that Canada (my home country) is ready to join the rest of the world, and I hope America will be soon.
A lot of musicians that most people think are very liberal are really not. You just need to read between the lines
"You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow"
Props to Dave for not being a sheep.
i think dave came to the realization that in a socialist state, a large sum of his hard earned money will be taken by the government and used for bullshit reasons. let hardworking armericans keep their money, before we become an obsolete, bankrupt state like the majority of europe. socialism is great in theory, but disastrous in reality. sry, thats the cold hard truth. The american economy started spiraling out of control when Bush decided that all of a sudden it was wise to start throwing billions of dollars at unneeded projects. the best government is one that governs least
A lot of musicians that most people think are very liberal are really not. You just need to read between the lines
"You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow"
Props to Dave for not being a sheep.
Communism doesn't equal socialism. That's the thrust of what people have been saying is wrong. Lennon was very liberal, he just wasn't sure about a violent revolution. Being Liberal, by definition, is to believe in a government which must follow rules, which has limits on its power. Being a Liberal is completely incompatible with being a communist.
When people talk about liberal vs conservative in the context of american politics, they're all Liberals in the sense that they believe in a government that has limits, that can't do whatever it wants. However, both sides claim the other side isn't liberal in that sense, which is what Dave is doing now in claiming that Obama's liberal (and not even close to socialist compared the vast majority of healthy, functioning economically developed countries) agenda is equal to communism.
ok, that's when you realize that the guy is just plain ignorant, please, just talk about guitars Dave...
And I thought he was supposed to have been be saved by god or something from his drug habits ? I might be dumb, but Jesus was all about sharing, forgiving and loving... When you think about it, how can you be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time...mmmm?
You can be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time, what do you think the catholic church has been about since easily the middle ages? Protestants realized it was all about the money and greed all the way back in the early 16th century.
Dave was probably all for social safety nets when he needed them. Now that he doesn't have the need, he is against it. Typical.
People need to learn the difference between political, economic and social doctrines. Those people screaming the words don't want you to know because you'll realize that they are full of sh*t.
If you guys knew as much about politics as you think you do then you probably wouldn't have the time to go on UG. People these days seem to think they're aficionados on any given subject just because they read a wikipedia article. Let's just face that we (me, you, and Dave Mustaine) really don't know the first thing about politics.
Welp, another person who has no idea what Socialism is. I mean, really, it's not that hard to figure out. I really don't like people who aren't researching what they're trying to believe in.
METAL MIKEY wrote:
i think dave came to the realization that in a socialist state, a large sum of his hard earned money will be taken by the government and used for bullshit reasons. l
Yeah, like roads, police, fire protection, education, national defense, etc. People want the things taxes pay for but don't want to pay taxes. Then they complain about a "nanny state". Isn't that what you want -- your "parents" to pay for everything for you?
How many people posting on this forum either a) still live with their parents b) don't have a job c) are collecting unemployment d) love Bob Marley and Che Guevara? That should explain a lot of what I'm reading right now. The people described are precisely the reason why socialism will never work. If our government can't run a budget how could it possibly manage supply? To the post above: Amen. The stimulus package allotted the same amount of money to the Small Business Administration as it did the Smithsonian Institute, as posted on the government website. Keep living in your utopic, feel-good bubbles.
If you guys knew as much about politics as you think you do then you probably wouldn't have the time to go on UG. People these days seem to think they're aficionados on any given subject just because they read a wikipedia article. Let's just face that we (me, you, and Dave Mustaine) really don't know the first thing about politics.
Let's just say we know more about politics than Dave does.
Also, the world would probably be a better place if more people got interested in how their country is run, and not just let the 'politics people' do whatever they want.
This is what we're seeing in the middle east atm, people are deciding that the politics needs to change and be up to them.
woah. 3000 copies and it debuted at 161? what the hell happened to the music business? i recall bands selling 4-5 million records and not being on top of the charts.
Lapidus wrote:
And I thought he was supposed to have been be saved by god or something from his drug habits ? I might be dumb, but Jesus was all about sharing, forgiving and loving... When you think about it, how can you be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time...mmmm?
I like how the "religious" right in the US blast socialized health care... "I don't want to pay MY money to help POOR people who obviously don't DESERVE to be healthy if they can't take care of themselves!" It's so ironic that liberals are more often atheist and yet follow Jesus much more closely.
I think I'll join in now. It's a GOOD thing that America is becoming more socialized. Every other civilized nation is far ahead of us in that regard. The Scandinavian nations have both the highest degree of socialism and the highest standard of living. In any case, Obama's not trying to steal our chickens, and that is NOT where we are going at all. I think he's the most successful president on domestic issues since LBJ and civil rights, etc. I hope he does more though, this country isn't yet where I'd like it. Americans need to stop listening to politicians and pundits and ****ing THINK for a damn second.
I know these UG articles are really in depth and all, but perhaps if Dave was given a more in depth opportunity to explain his views and opinions on government and socialism, you might not be as quick to label him as and idiot/ignoramus/"person who has no idea what socialism is".
By labeling him as such, you are doing exactly what you claim he has done in this article: labeling him based on incomplete information.
xstatic44 wrote: The people described are precisely the reason why socialism will never work.
Well then, it's a good thing our government has not taken a single step towards Socialism since inception. We've been a solid Capitalist state through and through. People look at countries over in Europe like Norway and Sweden and scream Socialism, when they're two of the best Capitalist countries in the region. Having good social services has absolutely ZERO to do with Socialism. People are so damn confused what Socialism is, they just wave their arms around like its The Red Scare all over again with Socialism the new scare instead of Communism.
ok, that's when you realize that the guy is just plain ignorant, please, just talk about guitars Dave...
And I thought he was supposed to have been be saved by god or something from his drug habits ? I might be dumb, but Jesus was all about sharing, forgiving and loving... When you think about it, how can you be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time...mmmm?
+1
I like Dave Mustaine. I read his book and he seems to be a pretty good guy but I don't see why he's hating on socialism as it is NOT the same as communism.
schirripar wrote:
Props to Dave for not being a sheep.
Ah, so if you have a completely inaccurate definition for socialism, that's cool and counter-culture. Since when does ignorance = maverick? Oh right, since forever.
Socialism has become a loaded word, when really without socialism, there wouldn't be any police force, any fire department, or any other governmental service. Socialism is for things like that, humanitarian works, public works, for providing services that make life better.
You see socialism and capitalism are just words for public money and private money, and America is heading towards more public impact on the economy.
I don't like it very much. I do believe in free market, and that people who claim capitalism only breeds greed are idiots that don't understand that capitalism might just be about the bottom line, but that in the end, that benefits everyone so long as there is not a monopoly. That's my opinion, though, and I willingly accept that America is starting to lean more towards socialism, as long as the free market is left to work, for the most part.
Ah, long post is long, oh well. I already typed it up.
Let's just say we know more about politics than Dave does.
Also, the world would probably be a better place if more people got interested in how their country is run, and not just let the 'politics people' do whatever they want.
This is what we're seeing in the middle east atm, people are deciding that the politics needs to change and be up to them.
Yeah I see what you're saying, and I sometimes feel bad about my general disinterest in politics. I seem to be one of the few people who think that both sides have some good ideas, so I sort of cancel myself out. It's hard to get involved because I have trouble taking a side.
ok, that's when you realize that the guy is just plain ignorant, please, just talk about guitars Dave...
And I thought he was supposed to have been be saved by god or something from his drug habits ? I might be dumb, but Jesus was all about sharing, forgiving and loving... When you think about it, how can you be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time...mmmm?
Is it really Christian charity when an outside entity forces you to be charitable? I am a capitalist, and a christian, I don't mind charity. But I take issue with the fact that there are people who are expecting entitlements. I would rather my charitable donation be left under my control.
Hmm, some of the money I give to the government goes into the pocket of some bum who'll rob me if he finds me on the street after midnight. Hey if that isn't socialism, I dunno what is.
So the answer is Dave, you were infact, born in USSRA. We're not sprinting towards anything, its just that you'll be paying a little more to some Metallica fans
Let's just say we know more about politics than Dave does.
Also, the world would probably be a better place if more people got interested in how their country is run, and not just let the 'politics people' do whatever they want.
This is what we're seeing in the middle east atm, people are deciding that the politics needs to change and be up to them.
Yeah I see what you're saying, and I sometimes feel bad about my general disinterest in politics. I seem to be one of the few people who think that both sides have some good ideas, so I sort of cancel myself out. It's hard to get involved because I have trouble taking a side.
You're not one of a few. Most people find it hard getting interested in politics. I have no clear opinion on many subjects, but there are things I feel very strongly about.
I don't feel the need to align myself to a party. atm none of the parties in the UK are really worth voting for, but I have a slight preference, and I don't see each issue as a Lab/Con issue, but I'm just interested in which is right. (There's no much difference anyway these days.)
ok, that's when you realize that the guy is just plain ignorant, please, just talk about guitars Dave...
And I thought he was supposed to have been be saved by god or something from his drug habits ? I might be dumb, but Jesus was all about sharing, forgiving and loving... When you think about it, how can you be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time...mmmm?
"Sooner will a Camel pass through a needles eye than a rich man enter the Kingdom of God" Nuff said. Jesus was a Socialist.
Don't degrade the intelligence of the entire UG site and people involved w/ it. Besides, if Jesse Ventura can be a GOVERNOR, a guitarist can have an opinion on what Socialism is
Come on dude, read between the lines a little bit. I wasn't degrading the "entire site", just the people who act like they're experts on the subject of politics. If they really do know a lot about it, I meant they could probably go out and do something more productive than posting here. I love UG, so I'm not degrading the site.
Looks like as soon as you find God you find the Republican party, which is full of rich white men who think everybody has the same opportunities. I'm a Catholic, but I don't support the right wing, especially when they make a mockery of our belief about terminating pregnancies by simply using it as a calling card for Catholic votes.
ok, that's when you realize that the guy is just plain ignorant, please, just talk about guitars Dave...
And I thought he was supposed to have been be saved by god or something from his drug habits ? I might be dumb, but Jesus was all about sharing, forgiving and loving... When you think about it, how can you be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time...mmmm?
"Sooner will a Camel pass through a needles eye than a rich man enter the Kingdom of God" Nuff said. Jesus was a Socialist.
I do believe you are missing the point of that story.
Not gonna lie, he's an idiot.
Compared to any of Europe, the US is still bordering on fascist, it's actually further away from socialism than any other country in the world.
And Dave, creating more jobs would be a left wing idea, not vice-versa.
The democrats are there to give the poor a chance at the American freedom which the rich have enjoyed for 300 years, if you don't like that, vote Palin you fascist mother****er.
We're a lot closer to a few other "isms" than Socialism.
Haha this cracked me up, typically something for an American to say. Socialism means health care for everybody ( OH NO I DONT WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO HAVE HEALTH CARE ), less of a difference between the rich and the poor ( OH NO I DONT WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO BE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO EARN ENOUGH TO LIVE FROM ). A lot of Americans are so ignorant...
Just learn from Europe, please USA. Not so much criminals, homeless people or people carrying guns over here.
xstatic44 wrote: The people described are precisely the reason why socialism will never work.
Well then, it's a good thing our government has not taken a single step towards Socialism since inception. We've been a solid Capitalist state through and through. People look at countries over in Europe like Norway and Sweden and scream Socialism, when they're two of the best Capitalist countries in the region. Having good social services has absolutely ZERO to do with Socialism. People are so damn confused what Socialism is, they just wave their arms around like its The Red Scare all over again with Socialism the new scare instead of Communism.
AMEN!
I'm from Estonia, quite close in geographical terms to Norway and Sweden. Those countries have good social services etc, but that really doesn't make them part of socialism. I might be wrong about that not being part of socialism part though, but atleast I admit it. How many of you actually DO KNOW about socialism AND politics? I bet only few, other just flame Mustaine and try to be smartass.
It is very easy to misunderstand what other thinks or says. And I'm not only defending Mustaine atm. He has his own twisted personality, so has everyone. But you can't deny that it's true what he says: they promised new jobs, but instead of this situation gets worse. Though this happens in many places. Why are people so blind and closeminded that they see only things that they think are wrong?
Please refrain from flame wars and arguing. (Note: I said arguing, not polite and healthy debate. That's OK.) Anything more will be met with appropriate consequences.
Thank you.
In all honesty, when someone brings up politics, everyone is gonna spill out their ideas thinking that they have the right answer and become highly defensive about it. You can't stop the pissing contest.
Lapidus and Lion_Slicer wrote:
And I thought he was supposed to have been be saved by god or something from his drug habits ? I might be dumb, but Jesus was all about sharing, forgiving and loving... When you think about it, how can you be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time...mmmm?
I like how the "religious" right in the US blast socialized health care... "I don't want to pay MY money to help POOR people who obviously don't DESERVE to be healthy if they can't take care of themselves!" It's so ironic that liberals are more often atheist and yet follow Jesus much more closely.
In the bible(2 Thessalonians 3:10) it says, "A man that does not work, does not deserve to eat." I am a Christian, and a capitalist. I am not against charity in any way. Having said that, the vast group that live simply by drawing welfare checks does not deserve to receive such benefits. You are a fool if you believe that Christians actually think like "I don't want to pay MY money to help POOR people who obviously don't DESERVE to be healthy if they can't take care of themselves!" If a person can't take care of himself because of a legitimate reason, then fine. Have some help. But if someone can't take care of them self because of sheer laziness. Best of luck to you. I hope this repairs your skewed view of things.
socialism in america?i think they havent seen the real ussr,when free speech is banned,the property is for everyone and the nation barely can save up money for car,which is real crap and you need to repair yourself(!)it a few months old.My parents have born in ussr,they like other ussr citizens still don't know any foreign language except russian and they didn't know what's happening outside soviet russia.Catastrophe!
i hat the idea that people believe that their is only 2 ways to run a government economically: socialism/communism and capitalism. i believe in the idea of being able to earn money with little interference (capitalism), but at the same time i don't want huge monopolies exploiting us and abusing their economic liberties (communism). i believe in small, less wasteful government (capitalism), but i also believe that there are some thing i can't ensure myself, such as police, healthcare, military, etc. which is why i pay taxes (communism). but in american politics, they tend to believe in all or nothing, or seem to be hypocrites about what they practice. just my thoughts.
i think it's funny the way people hate on mustaine for getting involved with politics but then praise his music. anybody remember how big of a hit peace sells was? that was about government if you remember correctly. music has to do with anything and everything of the past, present, and future. if musicians didnt explian their views on subjects such as politics then what would they write about? anyway about what he said. everyone just shut up. i really doubt anyone here actually understands the true concept of socialism. i dont even fully understand it. the problem i have with sharing my hard earned money with people who are homeless is because they are homeless for a reason. some of them have disabilities which i can understand. but the lazy ones that sit around and mooch off of welfare and such is what i have a problem with.
We're not hating on Mustaine for being involved with politics, people are hating on him for being ignorant over his views. He clearly has no idea what Socialism is. Like, in the slightest comprehension of it. I can understand he may not want people living off his dime and all that, it's his view point, but don't dare call that Socialism and fall into the Right vs Left trap because of it.
Socialism has become a loaded word, when really without socialism, there wouldn't be any police force, any fire department, or any other governmental service. Socialism is for things like that, humanitarian works, public works, for providing services that make life better.
You see socialism and capitalism are just words for public money and private money, and America is heading towards more public impact on the economy.
I don't like it very much. I do believe in free market, and that people who claim capitalism only breeds greed are idiots that don't understand that capitalism might just be about the bottom line, but that in the end, that benefits everyone so long as there is not a monopoly. That's my opinion, though, and I willingly accept that America is starting to lean more towards socialism, as long as the free market is left to work, for the most part.
Ah, long post is long, oh well. I already typed it up.
Holy shit! There ARE intelligent people left in the universe!
You not only hit the nail on the head, you pounded it in until it created an air-tight seal.
Dear Dave Mustaine, you're one of my favorite musicians and you front my favorite band, but man... I thought you quit drugs years ago.
As a thrash guitar player, I worship the ground Mustaine walks on.
However, I have a friend who was a roadie on this tour. Mustaine is the biggest hypocrite there is when it come to partying. He was partying on this tour. He falls off the wagon, gets blasted for awhile, then quits & says "I'm clean & sober" & makes his entire crew quit along with him and acts like he's been sober for years.
Sorry, but I'm a guy in recovery, and it just bugs the sh*t outta me.
murda_jr427 wrote:
If a person can't take care of himself because of a legitimate reason, then fine. Have some help. But if someone can't take care of them self because of sheer laziness. Best of luck to you. I hope this repairs your skewed view of things.
I really don't like the view of "he's not working, he must be lazy". I won't lie to you; I have no idea if you are hinting at that, but it did trigger the thought. Unemployment benefits are usually tiny. The stereotype of people spending it on booze and other drugs is usually a lot of Daily Mail blah, since the fifty odd quid they get a week barely covers the essentials. For example, I'm working at 16 and getting 78 quid and that barely lasts me a month.
And is that a bad thing? Really can't understand what he is whining about. iamtim1991 is complete right. Socialism isn't equal to North Korea. Learn that, ffs!
willy911 :
i don´t think he can even spell SOCIALISM
little do you know, but the guy is actually very well educated. you should check out the celebrity jeopardy he was on, unreal... also, he could beat the living shit out of you with both hands tied behind his back. TRUTH
It's a shame that as things get worse in our country and the criminals at the top convince people to stay oppressed in a free country, those who try to voice an opinion miss the mark.
I often get fed up with musicians talking about politics (Rise Against, Rage Against The Machine, ect.), but it's when they have the right idea and express it in a way that confuses or contradicts the audience, that we really lose sight.
murda_jr427 wrote:
In the bible(2 Thessalonians 3:10) it says, "A man that does not work, does not deserve to eat." I am a Christian, and a capitalist. I am not against charity in any way. Having said that, the vast group that live simply by drawing welfare checks does not deserve to receive such benefits. You are a fool if you believe that Christians actually think like "I don't want to pay MY money to help POOR people who obviously don't DESERVE to be healthy if they can't take care of themselves!" If a person can't take care of himself because of a legitimate reason, then fine. Have some help. But if someone can't take care of them self because of sheer laziness. Best of luck to you. I hope this repairs your skewed view of things.
Okay, but not every poor person is lazy. Many are just unlucky. I'd rather mistakenly give aid to a few lazy *******s than deny it from truly deserving people. The counter-argument to me sounds like the teacher who takes recess away from the whole class because some little dipshit shat under a desk. And I agree that TRUE Christians, who I tend to respect very much, would never think like that. But when did Thessalonians take precedence over the Gospels? Everything in the Bible is not equally profound: http://godhatesshrimp.com/
I like Dave Mustaine, he is intelligent, but this j
travislausch wrote:
iamtim1991 wrote:
Socialism has become a loaded word, when really without socialism, there wouldn't be any police force, any fire department, or any other governmental service. Socialism is for things like that, humanitarian works, public works, for providing services that make life better.
You see socialism and capitalism are just words for public money and private money, and America is heading towards more public impact on the economy.
I don't like it very much. I do believe in free market, and that people who claim capitalism only breeds greed are idiots that don't understand that capitalism might just be about the bottom line, but that in the end, that benefits everyone so long as there is not a monopoly. That's my opinion, though, and I willingly accept that America is starting to lean more towards socialism, as long as the free market is left to work, for the most part.
Ah, long post is long, oh well. I already typed it up.
Holy shit! There ARE intelligent people left in the universe!
You not only hit the nail on the head, you pounded it in until it created an air-tight seal.
A very well formed and logical statement.
I don't know why but everyone latches on to a word with no understanding. Its yellow journalism and sensationalism.
Look at the Obama add campaigns you can all remember two words...hope and change...and no one knew anything but that.
Don't take that statement the wrong way I am saying nothing about him as a person or a president, just pointing out how everyone seems to form their opinions.
Socialism has a huge stigma attatched to it and while I don't agree with it, it has been taken to far.
Remember the Obama pictures with the Hitler stash? That was pretty smart to whoever thought of it, but insulting and idiotic at the same time.
I'm sure he don't have to worry about his medical insurance. If you can't afford health indurance than you deserve to die I guess. Let the rich get richer and screw the middle class.
I realise this comment is neither helpful or constructive, but I don't care.
Haha actually I found it the most constructive comment on here..."what you mean Dave isnt god? But his book says he is the sole reason for Metallica's success and he tought Kerry King the Tirtone!!"..I cant wait till memoirs 2 when he explains how he tought Jimi Hendrix the blues and ivented distortion..what a douchebag
Wow. As a fellow musician, I have never so many ignorant people on one forum. Though we may not be heading toward socialism, but the dawn of totalitarianism is on it's way, and all of you are to blind to see that Obama is not even running the show. Pitiful.
Also, end Federalism. The states need more power than the Fed does.
The ignorance in this thread is so depressing...
communism IS NOT the same as socialism
the US isn't even CLOSE to socialist. Compared to the rest of the world, the US is very conservative on the whole
Oh. And don't forget. The same people control all of your leaders in the U.K., Canada, and the rest of the "free world".
"Democracy" has been so distorted in it's meaning that everyone believes they will live in a free country if the U.S. comes in and kills off a dictator and sets up our values. We only invade countries we see fit to reap the resources of.
I love Megadeth but I think that Dave Mustaine is really ignorant here. A little socialism is far away from communism. Communism means that all goods are divided equally and the state controls the economy. Socialism is just giving some of the goods to everybody, which is an obviously good thing. In countries like Norway and Sweden, there is much greater welfare and more restrictions for private corporations. Norway is a great country to live in and it is far away from the Soviet Union. Fear of socialism is something that greedy corporations and republicans brainwash you with, so that they won't lose their money. Wake up and think critically with your head. Thank you.
As far as socialism goes, if it works like it's ideally supposed to, it's a good form of government.
This idea holds true to most forms of government - being that they're good if they run as they should in ideal concept - as they are when they're laid out. However, anything in practice when combined with power becomes more corrupt and less fair or balanced. A democracy is a great thing when it runs like it should when viewed on paper. That's obviously not what's happening now either.
That said, the people that usually complain about this sort of thing are people that have way beyond their means and needs, yet don't feel as if taking care of their fellow man is acceptable. By textbook and literal, if you hate socialism, you're against the ideals of Jesus, who believed, preached, and lived by the basis that we should all care for our brothers and sisters, give of ourselves freely to any in need, and ask for nothing in return.
And - that aside as well, demonizing Obama shows an obscene amount of ignorance, as anyone who knows anything about politics understands that this is a democracy, not a monarchy, and so one man does not make these decisions. There are three branches of government that oversee these things, a system of checks and balances, and a large number of lobbies which all come into play just as much as the president when making, changing, or vetoing policy.
If you're aiming your ire, aim it at the government system as a whole, and not a single man who isn't wholly to blame for almost everything you dislike.
ON topic, I like that Mustaine at least TRIED to stay silent about his views on it, but frankly he's not doing much to help either way, so he needs to keep his opinions to himself. Unless you're willing to change something or take action, you're just an idle mouth piece.
I love Megadeth but I think that Dave Mustaine is really ignorant here. A little socialism is far away from communism. Communism means that all goods are divided equally and the state controls the economy. Socialism is just giving some of the goods to everybody, which is an obviously good thing. In countries like Norway and Sweden, there is much greater welfare and more restrictions for private corporations. Norway is a great country to live in and it is far away from the Soviet Union. Fear of socialism is something that greedy corporations and republicans brainwash you with, so that they won't lose their money. Wake up and think critically with your head. Thank you.
The soviet union does not exist anymore. Democrats dont want to lose their money either. Wanting to keep your earnings is not greedy.
He makes his money rallying against whoever is in office. Didn't he just have an album attacking George Bush and Dick Cheney on the Album cover? What a corporate *****.
socialism - a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
thats from the dictionary, so all you people that are saying "omg socialism is lyk not teh same as communism" should really give some explanation for that, because when you really look at the two systems, they are extremely similar. ya there are a few differences, like how the wealth is distributed, but it is the next step towards communism. and if you actually read what dave said, he says its LIKE a communist country, so everyone saying dave is stupid seriously needs to stfu.
socialism - a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
thats from the dictionary, so all you people that are saying "omg socialism is lyk not teh same as communism" should really give some explanation for that, because when you really look at the two systems, they are extremely similar. ya there are a few differences, like how the wealth is distributed, but it is the next step towards communism. and if you actually read what dave said, he says its LIKE a communist country, so everyone saying dave is stupid seriously needs to stfu.
Thank you!!! It is also completely ridiculous to judge a man's political opinions/intelligence based on a three minute question about politics asked by an interviewer for a music radio station!
strat0blaster wrote:
And - that aside as well, demonizing Obama shows an obscene amount of ignorance, as anyone who knows anything about politics understands that this is a democracy, not a monarchy, and so one man does not make these decisions. There are three branches of government that oversee these things, a system of checks and balances, and a large number of lobbies which all come into play just as much as the president when making, changing, or vetoing policy.
If you're aiming your ire, aim it at the government system as a whole, and not a single man who isn't wholly to blame for almost everything you dislike.
I agree with you so much on everything--except America isn't a democracy but a constitutional republic. Which is honestly good, because the people who blame all their woes on one communist Kenyan cactus have no business running a country. If I were to point a finger at any particular point of the government, it'd be at Congress. A bunch of hypocritical do-nothings just waiting to get re-elected. I sincerely think that 99% of politicians don't believe in any ideology whatsoever besides what makes their wallet fatter. I consider Obama somewhat of--not wholly--an exception, along with Ron Paul--I don't agree with him but I'd vote for him just based on the fact I don't see him as a career liar.
strat0blaster wrote:
And - that aside as well, demonizing Obama shows an obscene amount of ignorance, as anyone who knows anything about politics understands that this is a democracy, not a monarchy, and so one man does not make these decisions. There are three branches of government that oversee these things, a system of checks and balances, and a large number of lobbies which all come into play just as much as the president when making, changing, or vetoing policy.
If you're aiming your ire, aim it at the government system as a whole, and not a single man who isn't wholly to blame for almost everything you dislike.
I agree with you so much on everything--except America isn't a democracy but a constitutional republic. Which is honestly good, because the people who blame all their woes on one communist Kenyan cactus have no business running a country. If I were to point a finger at any particular point of the government, it'd be at Congress. A bunch of hypocritical do-nothings just waiting to get re-elected. I sincerely think that 99% of politicians don't believe in any ideology whatsoever besides what makes their wallet fatter. I consider Obama somewhat of--not wholly--an exception, along with Ron Paul--I don't agree with him but I'd vote for him just based on the fact I don't see him as a career liar.
But if I have a chicken, and you have a chicken. It doesn't matter what the government is; this analogy is nonsense.
Anybody who thinks this is the truth has never met a socialist in their life. They aren't subtle, sneaky people. They are almost as loud and self-righteous as conservatives.
As for jobs, he's just plain wrong. We've gained roughly a million jobs since January 2010. Conservatives just don't want to admit that anyone who doesn't label themselves a "true American" can do something right, so they label anything that is the right-wing socialist or marxist or some other nonsense.
ok, that's when you realize that the guy is just plain ignorant, please, just talk about guitars Dave...
And I thought he was supposed to have been be saved by god or something from his drug habits ? I might be dumb, but Jesus was all about sharing, forgiving and loving... When you think about it, how can you be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time...mmmm?
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I like Dave Mustaine. I read his book and he seems to be a pretty good guy but I don't see why he's hating on socialism as it is NOT the same as communism.
...yes it is. Socialism is bassicaly economic communism.
i think dave came to the realization that in a socialist state, a large sum of his hard earned money will be taken by the government and used for bullshit reasons. let hardworking armericans keep their money, before we become an obsolete, bankrupt state like the majority of europe. socialism is great in theory, but disastrous in reality. sry, thats the cold hard truth. The american economy started spiraling out of control when Bush decided that all of a sudden it was wise to start throwing billions of dollars at unneeded projects. the best government is one that governs least
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i was gonna comment on the story, but this guy just about summed it up
Read first. Dave said it's like communism, not equal to communism. To NoCompromise, the fact that he rallyed agianst Bush and cheney and now says this. He is just expressing his dislike of current leaders and the way things are going. Our country is separated and is on a decline. Not just from Obama, but with Bush too. I think it's safe to say neither of them have/had great approval ratings in office. The country needs to unify, instead of constantly pointing the finger at one another.
ok, that's when you realize that the guy is just plain ignorant, please, just talk about guitars Dave...
And I thought he was supposed to have been be saved by god or something from his drug habits ? I might be dumb, but Jesus was all about sharing, forgiving and loving... When you think about it, how can you be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time...mmmm?
You can't, because the invisible hand works to provide the best of everything for everyone, while the invisible God works to destroy reason.
ok, that's when you realize that the guy is just plain ignorant, please, just talk about guitars Dave...
And I thought he was supposed to have been be saved by god or something from his drug habits ? I might be dumb, but Jesus was all about sharing, forgiving and loving... When you think about it, how can you be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time...mmmm?
Ok I don't mean any disrespect here but I don't think you can call Dave ignorant,clearly you don't understand the principal of capitalism, it is entirely feasible to be both a Christian and a capitalist, I hate this misconception that capitalism breeds greed and corruption so does socialism and the U.S.S.R is the perfect example. Can anybody give an example of a pure Marxist communist country without corruption? No because the world has never seen true communism, and any country which has attempted to implement "communism" has ended in corruption greed and totalitarianism. Capitalism works when there is no exploitation and enhances the principal of democracy certainly economically, we have free markets, I am not saying that socialism is not democratic in its theoretical utopian sense, yes it is but only theoretically because more often than not due to the personal despotism of political leaders it is an unpractical ideology and that is based on evident proof when you study socialism/communism around the world.
As someone with an actual degree in political science having read and written more on the subject of government than 90% of people that post here or Dave himself I'll say this:
He has no idea what he's talking about and neither do these crazy right wing people like Glenn Beck. Not to link the two together because Beck is crazy and I
The problem is that schools don't teach you how to think critically and how to reason, independently of your beliefs, anymore, and only teach you to take sides by making you see a one-sided history of the world, from the perspective of a single country. We don't encourage the youth to think for itself, we encourage it to study so that it can get a diploma for a job and make money, making you more apt for the "free" market than for a democratic system. We should really reconsider the education system if we are to reconsider the social, political and economic system that a state should follow.
That, or we just put a whack-job dictator at the head of state so that everybody hates him and no one gets into conflict with the nonexisting other parties.
Also, declaring the healthcare system proposed by president Obama as being "socialist" is like calling every thing that the US has done since the Reagan administration "fascist". You have to think about what your favourite media/politicians/activists say before you gobble it up and regurgitate it on your blog and/or your ballot, else you are just being used. That's right, like a tool.
Remember, kids, be it Right or Left, extremes always lead to a crappier world.
For those of you who dislike Obama's policies and prefer the arguably intensely right-winged policies of some other politicians since you believe in a free market, I highly doubt that his policies are more damaging to the free market principle than the huge multinational companies who have achieved an almost absolute monopoly (coughMonsantocough) over their section of commerce, making the individuals who own small buisinesses or who wish to start them scarcer.
It is my opinion that the government should be able to interfere with these extreme cases, but you know, think what you want.
Also, declaring the healthcare system proposed by president Obama as being "socialist" is like calling every thing that the US has done since the Reagan administration "fascist". You have to think about what your favourite media/politicians/activists say before you gobble it up and regurgitate it on your blog and/or your ballot, else you are just being used. That's right, like a tool.
Remember, kids, be it Right or Left, extremes always lead to a crappier world.
I agree with you to a degree because, the Obamacare bill seems to only have certain borrowed aspects from Socialist ideas, but it's nowhere near being socialist. If it was socialist, it would be engineered to create a Universal Healthcare system and to integrate the Health Insurance firms into the government.
The Healthcare bill also has some "Corporatist (To borrow a phrase from Mussolini)" features since it seems to enforce a Healthcare Insurance monopoly. By requiring you to buy the healthcare from the private companies, they are forcing you to buy from a monopoly. Before you wouldn't have to.
Personally, I'm against a Universal healthcare system unless there is a direct election system put into place to regulate it. I'm against a beaurocrat having full control over this.
But I'm against this healthcare Bill because of the Corperatism and the exclusions based upon religion, etc. It's unfair to exclude one religious group from the bill and force the rest to participate, it is equal to promoting a set of religions which neither state nor federal government can do. You are practically saying, Protestants must buy, the Amish, Orthodox Jews, and Muslims don't have to. Technically you are promoting the mentioned religions by excluding them from the bill, not only that, you are discriminating against religions. The act itself is illegal.
Considering communism AND socialism were both created by the same philosopher, Karl Marx, Id say theyre pretty close.
Yeah, just like since Ben Franklin invented the bifocals and lightning rod, they're the same thing. Not saying that they don't have similarities but that's just a really dumb argument, man.
Considering communism AND socialism were both created by the same philosopher, Karl Marx, Id say theyre pretty close.
Yeah, just like since Ben Franklin invented the bifocals and lightning rod, they're the same thing. Not saying that they don't have similarities but that's just a really dumb argument, man.
loooool. Superb.
I think he's been watching a little too much Glenn Beck, etc.
I agree with some of the other users in that I think that people in America are conditioned to think that anything moving to the left is socialism or to an extreme, communism. I live in Canada, and we are quite a bit more collectivist with some of our taxation and social services, but I still know plenty of capitalist bastards who are just in it for a buck and a half. Not that I mind that as much, because at least they accept it and aren't whining about it incessantly. Everything's a balance.
He lacks a basic understanding of what socialism is. It's OK though, I still like Megadeth.
This. It's no secret that Dave is an idiot.
By the way, just to clear up any misconceptions, communism is something that has NEVER been implemented in any part of the world, as the understanding is that in a communist society, the entire world would have no government and everyone would just provide for each other. In a nutshell anyway.
Socialism is basically just where the government takes care of more things for people-- for example in places like Canada and the UK, going to university is A LOT cheaper than going to college in America.
socialism is viewed as a step between a country’s current state and its move to complete communism.
By you and the tea parties yes.
If you look out,a state is formed around a certain type of socialism, since its made to protect people and insure economical interests.. The state has regalian tasks, you would call it socialism.
hahahahah oh god, yeah dave mustaine is the most educated man and the foremost authority on politics.
stick to talking about guitar and music.
I'm not even gonna say whether i agree or disagree with him because I doubt that he knows what he himself is talking about.
1) If you're going to comment in a politically geared article, make damn sure you know what the hell you're talking about . The amount of people talking out of their ass is unbelievable. Research and understand the topic at hand before you comment about it.
B) Stop with the insults. I can't throw that around enough. Dave or a UGer may be ignorant or misguided, but insulting them is not the way to go and is not allowed.
mark3777 wrote:
Not just from Obama, but with Bush too. I think it's safe to say neither of them have/had great approval ratings in office.
Obama started with half the country blindly hating his guts. George Bush had record high approval (>90%!) after 9/11 and decided to torpedo it with years of getting everything wrong.
"The goal of the 'liberals'- as it emerges from the record of the past decades- was to smuggle this country into welfare statism by means of single, concrete, specific measures... The goal of the 'conservatives' was only to retard the process."
Both sides of the isle suck and until the altruistic principles are removed neither party will fix anything.
Considering communism AND socialism were both created by the same philosopher, Karl Marx, Id say theyre pretty close.
Yeah, just like since Ben Franklin invented the bifocals and lightning rod, they're the same thing. Not saying that they don't have similarities but that's just a really dumb argument, man.
Derpa derpa derp
Political ideologies=/=mechanical inventions
This really isn't news. Someone who doesn't study politics voiced an opinion. He just happens to be famous and a fantastic guitarist. Now everyone will argue about whether or not he's right and try to make themselves look smart. Arguing probably won't change anybody's mind.
If you want to see for sure if America is heading towards socialism, truly read socialist texts and then analyze the whole of the laws being passed. After looking at ALL the evidence, then make a decision. You won't learn much here and you won't change anyone's mind either.
All this talk about "going down a socialist road" and references to the USSR just show how America has become stuck in a 'us and them (the world)' mindset and needs to try and look at the world from more different angles, open up to everything.
All this rucuss with Obama and him being 'a socialist' (as if that's bad? As if Capitalism is an anti-thesis of it, or if there are strict boundaries and the ideologies are mutually-exclusive, or as if your version of 'Capitalism' doesn't contain discrepancies and flaws. If you really believe in the free market, then open everything up to Cuba! etc), it is just a manifestation of people's fear of losing wealth or America's important position because of changing international relations and such.
People in the USA fear possible change coming in this century.
They shouldn't and try not to get your head up your ass too much.
Considering communism AND socialism were both created by the same philosopher, Karl Marx, Id say theyre pretty close.
Not true, Marx did NOT 'create' "socialism", there were socialist writers before Marx, in fact Marx authored a pamphlet if I recall correctly against Proudhon's version of what he called 'utopian' socialism.
transplants182 :
If you guys knew as much about politics as you think you do then you probably wouldn't have the time to go on UG. People these days seem to think they're aficionados on any given subject just because they read a wikipedia article. Let's just face that we (me, you, and Dave Mustaine) really don't know the first thing about politics.
mark3777 wrote:
Not just from Obama, but with Bush too. I think it's safe to say neither of them have/had great approval ratings in office.
Obama started with half the country blindly hating his guts. George Bush had record high approval (>90%!) after 9/11 and decided to torpedo it with years of getting everything wrong.
Please, if half the country hated Obama, the election race would have been a lot closer.
Obama won because of a shitload of media hype and a bunch of young people using their voting power for the first time because Obama was the "cool" person to vote for in the race.
FYI, he started his term with a 65% approval rating & today he sits at 45%.
This is definately the wrong place to discuss politics but man do I disagree with a lot of the comments people are posting. I just don't understand why a lot of people think everybody needs to share with eachother. You can't leach off of somebody who is working to make money while you sit on your ass and complain that people are not sharing with you.
To get this country back in shape, we need to eliminate thousands of rules and laws that prohibit the free market from working correctly. We are not allowing it to self-regulate appropriately. We need to end the war on drugs, stop government from censoring media and speech, and give every person back their civil liberties. We are telling gay people they cant have relationships with eachother? Give me a ****ing break.
God who cares what he thinks about politics. As much as I disagree with him and as much as I want to say something snarky (and by god I do want to), he's a damn musician. His job is to play music that people like, the end. If he's not doing that, he's just a regular guy. No one cares if he doesn't like the president, and no one cares if he wants to play chicken little. Dave, grab a damn guitar and play, or shut up.
Considering communism AND socialism were both created by the same philosopher, Karl Marx, Id say theyre pretty close.
Yeah, just like since Ben Franklin invented the bifocals and lightning rod, they're the same thing. Not saying that they don't have similarities but that's just a really dumb argument, man.
Derpa derpa derp
Political ideologies=/=mechanical inventions
Actually Karl Marx never created communism as you all know it, he just wrote books, which basicly were an answer to the classical economists interogations. He forged the concert of socialism with the strugle of the lower class who work, angainst the higher classes who have the money (capital).
Actually, Keynes was indeed a little inspired by that i would say, and what do i hear ?? OH MY GOD, KEYNES IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ECONOMIST THAT INFLUENCED OUR SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC SYSTEMS???
And Dave stay out of Canada, Europe, Australia, England, Norway and any other country with a social conscience. Neil Young should come by your house and kick your ass.
It's kind of funny the fact that metallica control the shoots on the big 4 tour...
They're the only crap thats on the big 4
metallica suck so bad now,and the fact they're so popular=commercial garbage
They need to let metallica go,because there music is just awful compared to the other 3
Megadeth are still a kickass band...
Completely irrelevant towards the article and a cheap shot with no formal information backing up your claim
Way to go!
I'm playing a game, if I guess your rebuttal correctly the wife makes me brownies, and I like brownies.
And Dave stay out of Canada, Europe, Australia, England, Norway and any other country with a social conscience. Neil Young should come by your house and kick your ass.
And Dave stay out of Canada, Europe, Australia, England, Norway and any other country with a social conscience. Neil Young should come by your house and kick your ass.
socialism is bullshit. the USA is still a long way off from it though. I'm an American living in Norway, I think I know the difference between a semi-capitalist state and a socialist one. Sorry Dave, but you're wrong on this one.
That said, I think Obama and his administration are blithering idiots. Economically Keynesianism is so far off its scary, and it doesnt seem like he has a clue what hes doing domestically or internationally.
This is definately the wrong place to discuss politics but man do I disagree with a lot of the comments people are posting. I just don't understand why a lot of people think everybody needs to share with eachother. You can't leach off of somebody who is working to make money while you sit on your ass and complain that people are not sharing with you.
To get this country back in shape, we need to eliminate thousands of rules and laws that prohibit the free market from working correctly. We are not allowing it to self-regulate appropriately. We need to end the war on drugs, stop government from censoring media and speech, and give every person back their civil liberties. We are telling gay people they cant have relationships with eachother? Give me a ****ing break.
Let's remove all socialism from America, Dave. Pull your kid out of public school, don't call the cops if someone busts into your house and steals all of your guitars, don't call the fire department when they burn it down, don't drive on public streets, don't take public transportation, and don't send or receive any mail. Sound good?
Tha's not really socialism, that is public service provided by the government. And you don't have to do any of that stuff, it's just there if you need it. Socialist means that the government owns everything, that, in the words of Aldous Huxely "Everyone is/has the sae as everyone else", or something like that. I personally glad not to have the same as everyone else, because thenI may not have as much, not to mention those less wealthy then me.
Now, If you want to make the argumnet that they don't deserve that money, to bad. It's there money, they can do with it as they please. No one should tell anyone what they can or cannot have (Within reason, of course.)
Do me a favor, I also encourage others to do so, and read Aldous Huxley's Brave New World , and tell me that we should be socialist.
willy911 :
i don´t think he can even spell SOCIALISM
little do you know, but the guy is actually very well educated. you should check out the celebrity jeopardy he was on, unreal... also, he could beat the living shit out of you with both hands tied behind his back. TRUTH
FTW..
It still doesnt mean Dave understand about politics. Or what socialism really is. The policies he defends are beneficial for him, who makes A LOT of money with liberal policies that hunt hunt file-sharing music listeners like US, the general population. I live in Europe and you see the countries with "socialist" policies are often the best living standards, the rest are messed up. Go to Denmark and tell me you don't wanna live there.
socialism is bullshit. the USA is still a long way off from it though. I'm an American living in Norway, I think I know the difference between a semi-capitalist state and a socialist one. Sorry Dave, but you're wrong on this one.
That said, I think Obama and his administration are blithering idiots. Economically Keynesianism is so far off its scary, and it doesnt seem like he has a clue what hes doing domestically or internationally.
In a broad sense, it was the private sector ****ed up. As such, it should be no surprise that Keynesianism is the new "trend" in economic circles.
I won't pretend that I know the whole deal about Keynes, but why do you consider his theories to be scary?
The stimulus packages to the public aren't working because of hoarding. Fair enough. That obviously didn't take hold.
But when housing firms and SEC make some irresponsible moves (not to mention browsing porn for 8 hours a day in the case of senior SEC members), you have to wonder why regulation is there in the first place.
I would love for massive deregulation on a large scale, to allow for more competitors and lower prices, but with that, there is usually lower quality out-put as well.
All I gotta say, Dave Mustaine should stay the **** out of solo writing (Friedman owns him indefinitely) and politics; he knows naught of either.
Let's remove all socialism from America, Dave. Pull your kid out of public school, don't call the cops if someone busts into your house and steals all of your guitars, don't call the fire department when they burn it down, don't drive on public streets, don't take public transportation, and don't send or receive any mail. Sound good?
Seriously, what is this? You gotta recognize this guy doesn't know a thing about politics, socialism, America or anything that isn't related to music for that matter.
God I knew when I saw this Headline, a bunch of idiots would open their mouths. Dave, I love you man, but we live in a scary country filled with numbskulls who couldn't tell a butthole from a boca. What's right doesn't matter anymore.
Yes we are heading towards totaliarism at a fast pace but it has nothing to do with socialism. USA are heading down the totalitarian road wether or not they expand their welfare program.
And also.. conservatism does not need to be right wing. It can be wherever on the political left-right scale.
METAL MIKEY wrote:
i think dave came to the realization that in a socialist state, a large sum of his hard earned money will be taken by the government and used for bullshit reasons. l
Yeah, like roads, police, fire protection, education, national defense, etc. People want the things taxes pay for but don't want to pay taxes. Then they complain about a "nanny state". Isn't that what you want -- your "parents" to pay for everything for you?
Oh yeah, because our parents take our money and then spend it on what they deem fit. Except we're god damn adults and we have the right to use our money for whatever we want.
as many have pointed out, Mustaine(along with the majority of Americans) doesn't have a clue as to what socialism really is. Bet he has never read the Communist Manifesto either, but still has some negative(and completely distorted) view of what it actually is.
ExOblivione wrote:
Let's remove all socialism from America, Dave. Pull your kid out of public school, don't call the cops if someone busts into your house and steals all of your guitars, don't call the fire department when they burn it down, don't drive on public streets, don't take public transportation, and don't send or receive any mail. Sound good?
And also, holy shit. I knew the comments were going to be stupid for this article, but not this stupid. This is just more than impossible. It's coming from all sides. Think carefully about what you're saying before you say it, or you WILL look like a tool. I think I read a few comments too many and lost some brain cells in the process.
You think I'm not talking to you, but I am. This is an online comment thread, and you're about to post on it, so of course I'm talking to you. I'm talking to everyone .
lol did anyone notice at 4:10 when he starts talking about the traffic accident, that he says he was on the freeway and that he tapped a car at around 5-10 mph? I just couldnt get that picture in my head and imagine it as a believable story. Still laughed my ass off at the Mad Cow Bitch. If only Clinton could reign another 8 years, he fixed the US pretty fast, and he was funny.
The only reason they were able to report a decrease in unemployment that while ago is because all those people no longer qualified for unemployment because they stopped looking for jobs that weren't there. People decided to take that as "things are getting better."
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The soviet union does not exist anymore. Democrats dont want to lose their money either. Wanting to keep your earnings is not greedy.
That is all.
Socialism isn't about losing your earnings to poor people. It's about closing the gap between the extremely rich and and poor. The US has higher poverty rates than most of the developed world, low education standards, increasing employment, produces more criminals (or at least people incarcerated in prisons), and the biggest criminals walk free (AIG, Bush, etc). Would you describe this as capitalism working? Are these stats proving that Americans are genetically worse human beings than the rest of the world? Or is it that the system isn't working.
The majority of the US is owned by the few rich companies, who keep buying up all the other companies, creating monopolies. Capitalism is destroying itself by reinstating a theocratic state by selling itself to the extremely rich. How many success stories do you hear from people going from rich to poor? Very few out of millions, and most of those had extraordinary circumstances.
Huge corporations steal from the people but it is okay? Because it is legal, and therefor good under capitalism. Arms trade, good because it equals profit.
It bugs me when people say that capitalism is working. People in the Soviet Union felt the same way at the time.
Stop using the equation that socialism=communism=fascism, it's false.
Oh and by the way, people in Cuba have a better quality of life that the average American so chew on that.
I honestly like these "socialist" ideas going around. i am a capitalist person, but i feel the system has become unfair to favor the rich. i feel our current social culture favors that and doesnt help much, but during my time in the labor force i have come to realize how much the rich really dont care about those below them. they seek to horde as much as they can and gain all the power they can. its quite sad and i would like to see the government try and give the working man a larger piece of the pie. i feel if we could take more from the super rich of the world we could better solve many of the problems before us. im not a extremely political person, and i probably dont know as much about socialism and capitalism as i should. all i know is i like what some of these "socialists" have to offer, and i say that as an american citizen who wants every person to have the opportunity to recieve the fruits of their labor, not some corporation.
Right, because road construction, libraries, and the police force are part of a free-market system. It pisses me off when people cry socialism and they lack the understanding that we live in a mixed-market economy, rather than a free-enterprise system. Socialism has been in the US basically since its inception. Deal with it.
Communism is a politico-philosophical subset of socialism. They are not the same thing, nor are they mutually exclusive ideas.
Dave Mustaine is also a born again christian. Thats right, he believes in something that has no solid proof of existence, and whos governing body, the church, has caused more unrest and turmoil than almost ANY socialist or communist government COMBINED.
Stick to creating and playing awesome metal music Dave, your predisposition of being an opinionated ******* makes your political views VOID.
Holy **** how stupid is Dave? Socialism equals communism? That's ****in bullshit, you can have easily run a democracy with socialist values, open your ****in mind.. man, ignorance like that pisses me off.
While I agree that Dave is making a good point about the socialist ideas being implemented, you're right - Communism =/= socialism.
If you guys knew as much about politics as you think you do then you probably wouldn't have the time to go on UG. People these days seem to think they're aficionados on any given subject just because they read a wikipedia article. Let's just face that we (me, you, and Dave Mustaine) really don't know the first thing about politics.
I agree with you - I have my strongly-held political views, and it almost comes as a shock to me that some people can be so "ignorant" of the truth when we disagree. Then I realize I probably know as little as them. So I try to have a more open mind.
I think it is reasonable to say though, that Dave is at least partially right - we are HEADING TOWARDS socialism, ingraining more and more socialist ideas in our system. If there is a "right" way to do socialism, then it hasn't been done yet. Corruption and greed will occur in any system, and so far capitalism seems to be the best. The capitalist system we already have desperately needs tuning up - NOT a complete overhaul.
As for Christianity and socialism going hand-in-hand... No. Jesus preached charity and selflessness, not government-imposed "equality". Once it's mandated that you be charitable, it is no longer charity. People do best under the least government possible.
"Hurr durr socialism bad". He comes off dumber than a tea party member. I hope he's taking the piss, but since it's mustaine I'm warranted in thinking he's not.
if i spent most of my life drunk and on heroine i'd be pretty political-savvy too!
Well, that's got hardly anything to do with his political opinions - Scott Weiland's spent a good portion of his life drunk and on heroin, and he's an Obama-voting liberal, on the complete other end of the spectrum.
socialism is economic communism. its a state where the government controls business. thats exactly what our current president is pushing for. he wants the government to run all business. that is socialism. i dont care what anyone says. Weither you agree with it or not, i dont understand how it can be denied. both sides are being run by progressive radicals and its hurting us. i think dave is right. capitalism has its downfalls no doubt, but its still much more successful than socialism or communism. and no, we arent there yet. but just like Dave said, were heading there.
Common dave, you are the last person i would have expected to be a pigeon for republican fear mongering.
Do americans actually realize how many western democratic countries actually have things like universal healthcare? Do americans also realize that right now the US spends more on healthcare per capita (per person) than countries with universal healthcare? Check the World Health Organization Website, its true! The facts and numbers are right there!
If healthcare for all is communism, then so is free education... Last I heard, I live in Canada and not CanSSR... We have healthcare and a rightwing government in power and our economy isn't that bad... maybe Drover should explain some things to Dave.
for anyone skipping to the end, theres some pretty funny stuff on here, you gotta search for it though.
IDK how many others have pointed this out, but , i like how many people are bashing his political veiws and then praising how awsome his music is. Considering a huge part of what is megageth is dave writing politicaly themed lyrics so...
i wonder if hed not talk about this stuff (as many request) IF HE ONLY NEW WHAT HE WAS DOING TO THE UG COMMUNITY !!! LOL you guys crack me up.
Idiot mixing up communism with socialism just like everyone else. Socialism still allows you to have your own chicken, you just get free chicken health care.
Right, because road construction, libraries, and the police force are part of a free-market system. It pisses me off when people cry socialism and they lack the understanding that we live in a mixed-market economy, rather than a free-enterprise system. Socialism has been in the US basically since its inception. Deal with it.
Communism is a politico-philosophical subset of socialism. They are not the same thing, nor are they mutually exclusive ideas.
Chaingarden said it right. I don't like Obama but how are we suddenly socialist when the government expenditure goes from 20% of GDP to only 22%. No one called Bush a Socialist and he did the same crap Obama is doing. You can't base all of your ideas on what you see on the news and read in the news papers because journalism in todays world is a joke. I know this because I used to be one of these people.
I think Dave doesn't see whats all happening because he is a musician and the government tries to keep musicians away from poor communites. I bet if he saw what was really happening with america hed have a change of heart
Ludwig von Mises had the last word on socialism in the 20's. If you're an honest socialist, go read "Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth" then we can talk.
The Socialism versus Free-Market Capitalism debate is already over and people have moved on. Social-Democracies have since proven to be the superior type of governments by mixing both ideologies. (See: Scandinavia)
Talking about markets: The funniest thing right now is that american-thought capitalism has since been bettered and re-imagined into far more efficient markets. Highest GDP per Capita in the world is Japan. South Korea and Thailand are sure to follow soon. And the city of Singapore is the greatest testament to Asian-thought capitalism there is.
Mustaine says that this wouldn't have happened a generation ago. It's only true because the USA were at war with communism as a whole. Therefore, anything that was associated with it was the devil. But the world has since realized that there are good ideas in social politics (mainly: health care, education and minimum salary for everyone).
Anyway, asking Dave Mustaine's opinion on Politics is like asking Micheal Phelps's opinion on Quantum Physics. Nobody should be giving a shit.
Idiot mixing up communism with socialism just like everyone else. Socialism still allows you to have your own chicken, you just get free chicken health care.
lol. For the last time. Everybody READ. There is no such thing as free health care, free public service, free eduacation, or free anything that comes from government. You will either pay for it through taxes or the government will steal money from somebody else in order to pay for it. This is an illusion that in reality penalizes work and profit. You can only penalize work and reward laziness for so long. eventually everyone ends up equally poor and the rich end up richer. Read up on Karl Marx everything here is mentioned, it's just presented in such a way so that the concept is designed to elude you. For example: "everyone has equal share in private property", well yea thats great and all but who's everyone? the citezen class? yes all citezens are equal. I supose all ruling class members of society are just more equal than the citezens. lol
Considering communism AND socialism were both created by the same philosopher, Karl Marx, Id say theyre pretty close.
Yeah, just like since Ben Franklin invented the bifocals and lightning rod, they're the same thing. Not saying that they don't have similarities but that's just a really dumb argument, man.
loooool. Superb.
I think he's been watching a little too much Glenn Beck, etc.
I tend not to care about politics - whatever happens happens. If I end up poor and starving, so be it (yes, I'm really that way. I'm not starving currently, but I can't be pissed about the possibility, so I just wait until I DO have to start worrying to actually worry).
However, I've become more interested in politics. It's very, very odd to me that there has been an ever dividing line between Leftism and Rightism.
Why? Multiple reasons. The first is because this country was founded off of two ideas - political parties and NO political parties. Although Washington had to deal with a political divide, he was against it. He knew that political parties could really do damage to America. The constitution was made to satisfy both ends, and ever since, it's been a tug of war. At this time, the tug is even, but the rope is breaking. Both sides have become extremist. It's very odd to me.
The second reason why is because of this extremism that has been brewing in (at least American) politics. Labels have been thrown at anybody who does or says anything. Somehow, I could be called a Liberal or a Conservative extremist just for this comment. Clearly, both sides have idiots and, albeit less obviously, both sides have well spoken and well thought out people as well.
The reason this extremism baffles me is because EVERY body in capitalism is anti-Communist and anti-Fascism.
Conservative Capitalism is very, very much in the middle of the spectrum. Laissez Faire is the exact middle of the political spectrum. Monarchies are becoming obsolete. However, Laissez Faire is also closely linked with a Trickle Down economy, which is more of a rightist move.
But why does ANY of that matter? The end result of extremism, regardless of which side, is totalitarianism. If you get TOO conservative, you get a dictator. If you get too LIBERAL, you get a dictator. What we WANT is the ability to satisfy all classes of life, but what the politcal right and left want is to satisfy THEIR agenda. Not their needs, their agenda.
Both sides are just means to the same ends, and those ends are either a police state dictatorship or, somehow, the "perfect" economy. The radicalism of the political spectrum is asking for horrible things. People need to cool off and combine the left and right wing efforts and ideals to create the exact middle of the spectrum, where we have enough stability to "live and let live". With all of this extremism, that is not a possibility, and will ultimately destroy the country from the inside out.
Lol at Dave Mustaine for comparing an economic system to a system of government. Democracy =/= Capitalism, sorry Dave, maybe if you did actually follow politics you would understand that basic difference.
Holy **** how stupid is Dave? Socialism equals communism? That's ****in bullshit, you can have easily run a democracy with socialist values, open your ****in mind.. man, ignorance like that pisses me off.
socialism is a derivative of comunism so in some points it equals
How many people posting on this forum either a) still live with their parents b) don't have a job c) are collecting unemployment d) love Bob Marley and Che Guevara? That should explain a lot of what I'm reading right now. The people described are precisely the reason why socialism will never work. If our government can't run a budget how could it possibly manage supply? To the post above: Amen. The stimulus package allotted the same amount of money to the Small Business Administration as it did the Smithsonian Institute, as posted on the government website. Keep living in your utopic, feel-good bubbles.
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qrEE Your logic baffles me and you need to restudy your history.
And Dave Mustaine you just earned major respect from me
LazyRampage wrote:
Anyway, asking Dave Mustaine's opinion on Politics is like asking Micheal Phelps's opinion on Quantum Physics. Nobody should be giving a shit.
socialism is economic communism. its a state where the government controls business. thats exactly what our current president is pushing for. he wants the government to run all business. that is socialism. i dont care what anyone says. Weither you agree with it or not, i dont understand how it can be denied. both sides are being run by progressive radicals and its hurting us. i think dave is right. capitalism has its downfalls no doubt, but its still much more successful than socialism or communism. and no, we arent there yet. but just like Dave said, were heading there.
Where do you get your information from??? The only thing Obama has done that is remotely close to what you are saying is buying part of General Motors to keep it afloat. The Health Care reform is a regulatory measure to make everybody have health insurance, not to make everybody have government run insurance and to use government hospitals. You still have the free choice of buying whatever kind of insurance from whoever you want and using whatever hospitals you please. You're saying Obama is pushing for government to run all business, where is the proof. Quit watching Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly
Sprinting towards socialism? Dammit Dave, do you not realize that there is already quite a bit of socialism within the United States already? Just because you're paying taxes doesn't mean we're living in an oppressive, socialist regime, David.
Another thing, things are going too well (been better, but hey) for us to kinda de-evolve into a FUCKING COMMUNIST STATE, jesus, we're the United States, capitalism is as american as apple pie and any major economic reform in this country has about an open atheist's shot at presidency.
Yeah, I'm going to have a hard time listening to Megadeth records now knowing that Dave Mustaine has turned into a complete twat.
ok, that's when you realize that the guy is just plain ignorant, please, just talk about guitars Dave...
And I thought he was supposed to have been be saved by god or something from his drug habits ? I might be dumb, but Jesus was all about sharing, forgiving and loving... When you think about it, how can you be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time...mmmm?
WOW!! BWAAHAHAHAHAHA you have absolutely no idea what your talking about. Do you even know what a capitalist is? Hurry hurry go look it up now so you can post something that'll make people think you knew all along. HAHAHAHA
He's right about our country becoming socialist. He didnt say that we are, but we are HEADING THAT WAY, and that really is true. I dont believe it will come to that though, but I hope to god that Obama doesnt get re-elected. I feel like the only politician who has good ideas and actually cares for our country's freedom at the moment is Ron Paul. But I dont think that he could win the presidency, so IDK. America is just not in the greatest of places right now. The one thing that our country must keep is the most powerful military, or else I honestly think we are screwed.
Finally a person with a clear and intelligent mind. I couldn't have said it better myself.
I find it funny how every american I speak says this sort of stuff, yet every non-american is happy that the USA is finally getting a bit more normal as far as politics go. And let's be fair, how many of 'em voted for this guy again?
He's right about our country becoming socialist. He didnt say that we are, but we are HEADING THAT WAY, and that really is true. I dont believe it will come to that though, but I hope to god that Obama doesnt get re-elected. I feel like the only politician who has good ideas and actually cares for our country's freedom at the moment is Ron Paul. But I dont think that he could win the presidency, so IDK. America is just not in the greatest of places right now. The one thing that our country must keep is the most powerful military, or else I honestly think we are screwed.
Awwh bless you little redneck man have a cookie now go read up about socialism before fearing it okay? Okay that's great
ok, that's when you realize that the guy is just plain ignorant, please, just talk about guitars Dave...
And I thought he was supposed to have been be saved by god or something from his drug habits ? I might be dumb, but Jesus was all about sharing, forgiving and loving... When you think about it, how can you be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time...mmmm?
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...And someone else completely fails to understand Socialism.
I know exactly what socialism is. Full-blown socialism just means the government owns all businesses ("means of production"), and everyone with a job is a government employee. "The People" do not own those means of production except in the most abstract fictional sense; the Government owns it all.
Now that being the case, there are several basic circumstances that necessarily result:
Individual people are forbidden to own or start their own business or do any kind of work on their own.
There is no free market (meaning there is no competition among producers for a given product or service because there is only one producer of everything. Also there is no functional pricing mechanism to indicate how badly certain things are needed by people.)
As a result of the above, the economy is centrally planned by government authorities, who decide how much of what items to produce for the people.
Ever since Dave found God or sth, he became a raving lunatic. What happened to the good old heavy metal badass Mustaine?
Faith will ruin your life, folks. Or at least your brain cells.
Holy **** how stupid is Dave? Socialism equals communism? That's ****in bullshit, you can have easily run a democracy with socialist values, open your ****in mind.. man, ignorance like that pisses me off.
My mind just exploded from the amount of irony in your post. Nowhere did he say communism = socialism. Your first statement contradicted everything else you had to say.
Let's remove all socialism from America, Dave. Pull your kid out of public school, don't call the cops if someone busts into your house and steals all of your guitars, don't call the fire department when they burn it down, don't drive on public streets, don't take public transportation, and don't send or receive any mail. Sound good?
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Please do America a HUGE favor, keep flippin burgers and stay far far away from politics. BWAAHAHAHAHAHA
Holy **** how stupid is Dave? Socialism equals communism? That's ****in bullshit, you can have easily run a democracy with socialist values, open your ****in mind.. man, ignorance like that pisses me off.
My mind just exploded from the amount of irony in your post. Nowhere did he say communism = socialism. Your first statement contradicted everything else you had to say.
A lot of musicians that most people think are very liberal are really not. You just need to read between the lines
"You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow"
Props to Dave for not being a sheep.
Really? You think Lennon was a conservative? ...I don't even know what to say. You are completely oblivious.
Even the word conservative pisses me off, as far as I'm concerned conservative's are only concerned with themselves, , they want to "conserve" the present. Which is completely detrimental to human progression. The things they believe and support make me sick to my stomache, just a bunch of old ****s who are afraid of change.
I think we can all safely say that 99% of musicians have no ****ing clue about politics, and especially not Dave Mustain.
"Following" politics and "understanding" politics are two different things, and Dave's ravings about "America will R socilisd!" are based on nothing more than buzzwords and superficial appearances.
Obama is one of the worst left-wingers there is; in a true socialist country he would have been chased away as a capitalist hawk. Not that I approve of socialism or communism, those terms don't mean anything anyway in the current U.S. vocabulary.
He's right about our country becoming socialist. He didnt say that we are, but we are HEADING THAT WAY, and that really is true. I dont believe it will come to that though, but I hope to god that Obama doesnt get re-elected. I feel like the only politician who has good ideas and actually cares for our country's freedom at the moment is Ron Paul. But I dont think that he could win the presidency, so IDK. America is just not in the greatest of places right now. The one thing that our country must keep is the most powerful military, or else I honestly think we are screwed.
didnt the presidents like for the last 12 years sucked ass? I dont think it matters who will be chosen next, they all got a shitload to fix and that isnt happening with a blink of an eye.
Let's see... in my country:
Socialism:
Gives more children a chance at education,
Health care is free (to a point, dentists aren't free etc.),
The Welsh government pays a nice amount of your uni fees,
The Welsh government also provides free perscriptions,
And lots more stuff I take for granted and don't even realise until it gets taken away.
Granted, we're slowly moving away from this, as a CONSERVATIVE government has been elected, (who are promoting private health care that we have to pay for, and wringing the pockets of students dry), but I'm glad I live in an actually FREE country, and not the USA.
Call me a commie, but the only suffering we get is from the right wing (and those pretending to be left; Blair and New Labour)
Dave, stick to guitars. Drop your act, stick to guitars.
If you guys knew as much about politics as you think you do then you probably wouldn't have the time to go on UG. People these days seem to think they're aficionados on any given subject just because they
read a wikipedia article. Let's just face that we (me, you, and Dave Mustaine) really don't know the first thing about politics.
Well I actually have a degree in politics but okay.
Lovely how socialism got such a bad reputation, and now apparently stands for living in poverty instead of equality. Really though, heading towards a socialist state? Obama just gave the people of the US healthcare... Well, that evil bastard.
As it has been said before: Total capitalism isn't good, nor is total socialism. To me, Obama is heading towards a compromise between the two, which also seems like the perfect solution to me.
Socialism has become a loaded word, when really without socialism, there wouldn't be any police force, any fire department, or any other governmental service. Socialism is for things like that, humanitarian works, public works, for providing services that make life better.
Ancient Greece, Rome, Egypt, even Babylon and Mesopotamia had public services for incarceration and helping put out fires as a common courtesy. And those were way before socialism.
I think Mustaine is off on socialism, he seems to be mish-mashing socialism with communism.. but he's right about one thing. If people want Obama impeached so much.. do it. He's lost us more jobs since Carter, we've slumped into a worse recession than we were in, hasn't done much to help the social security issue, etc etc. He's just a bad president. And I'm in no way a conservative.
But if people really wanted him gone, they'd impeach him. Everyone wants to hide behind him when he screws over this country and say "THAT GUY DID IT, NOT ME! I didn't know he was going to do all that! Blame him, not me for voting for him and not impeaching him!".
Also, he's right. If Clinton can get impeached for lying to the supreme court, then Obama can get impeached for losing us as many jobs and money from his stimulus package.
Socialism has become a loaded word, when really without socialism, there wouldn't be any police force, any fire department, or any other governmental service. Socialism is for things like that, humanitarian works, public works, for providing services that make life better.
Ancient Greece, Rome, Egypt, even Babylon and Mesopotamia had public services for incarceration and helping put out fires as a common courtesy. And those were way before socialism.
I think Mustaine is off on socialism, he seems to be mish-mashing socialism with communism.. but he's right about one thing. If people want Obama impeached so much.. do it. He's lost us more jobs since Carter, we've slumped into a worse recession than we were in, hasn't done much to help the social security issue, etc etc. He's just a bad president. And I'm in no way a conservative.
But if people really wanted him gone, they'd impeach him. Everyone wants to hide behind him when he screws over this country and say "THAT GUY DID IT, NOT ME! I didn't know he was going to do all that! Blame him, not me for voting for him and not impeaching him!".
Also, he's right. If Clinton can get impeached for lying to the supreme court, then Obama can get impeached for losing us as many jobs and money from his stimulus package.
But he's just the face of the government, it's not all his decision. And you can't ever blame the recession on him, it was more the public and banks, and just the general economic cycle, if he was going to find a quick way to fix it, so many people would be suffering much worse then they are now.
socialism - a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
thats from the dictionary, so all you people that are saying "omg socialism is lyk not teh same as communism" should really give some explanation for that, because when you really look at the two systems, they are extremely similar. ya there are a few differences, like how the wealth is distributed, but it is the next step towards communism. and if you actually read what dave said, he says its LIKE a communist country, so everyone saying dave is stupid seriously needs to stfu.
Wow!! You Americans really fear communism don't you guys. You fear it so much that even a little bit of socialism (which obama has introduced, like health care for everybody) gets you all scared. The Cold War is over you knew.
Oh and this big recession is because of greedy Americans who bought to much stuff with "fantasy" money. Luckily it didn't hit us that hard here in the Netherlands, because we're a socialistic country. A country where everyone can go to college/university, get health care, own a home and have a job with meaning. Which of course are bad things considering the point of view of an American...
But he's just the face of the government, it's not all his decision. And you can't ever blame the recession on him, it was more the public and banks, and just the general economic cycle, if he was going to find a quick way to fix it, so many people would be suffering much worse then they are now.
I know that. I was being slightly facetious in my post because of the standards in which we impeach someone (like for getting a blowjob and lying about it..). But there ARE things Obama has passed that have ****ed us in the proverbial ass. The stimulus packages for businesses which were supposed to create jobs.. they didn't. They lost jobs AND more money. He's cut funding for art students (my son couldn't afford AIA any longer because Obama has done nothing for graphic design majors, actually took away funding to fund "normal" college financial aids), etc etc..
And I know, I know. Economics 101.. the economy reflects the previous 2 years. And by my count... he was elected and passed legislation for the economy a little over two years ago now.
Oh and this big recession is because of greedy Americans who bought to much stuff with "fantasy" money. Luckily it didn't hit us that hard here in the Netherlands, because we're a socialistic country. A country where everyone can go to college/university, get health care, own a home and have a job with meaning. Which of course are bad things considering the point of view of an American...
Actually, this recession started because ever since the 70s we've been buying from China, and getting ripped off, because it's cheap. We get what we paid for. Nobody's denying it's our fault.. it's not because of a select few, though. The economy in the shambles it's in now is the fault of a number of things; People living off the system (welfare) and not even trying to get a job or stimulate the economy, the war in Iraq (drained a lot of money because the U.N. didn't want to back us EVEN THOUGH we found WMDs..), etc etc. It's true.. it's our fault, but it's not because of "fantasy money". We'll jump right out of this slump soon. It may not be this or next year, but possibly five years from now we'll be fine again.
It's economics. Everywhere, includin the Netherlands, has financial trouble here and there.
Oh, and I would like to point out that free healthcare is NOT a socialist idea. They were just the ones in the 20th century to embrace it. Ancient Egyptian physicians never asked for money for their services.
Wow, someone doesn't understand what is meant by socialism. A shift to the left from George Bush's bigoted presidency is not a sprint towards socialism.
Dave, unfortunately listens to Alex Jones a lot and even was on his show not too long ago, just search Alex Jones Mustaine on YouTube if anyone's interested.. But Jones is more delusional than Glenn Beck when it comes to politics and his whole view of society.. So Dave's argument just sound very cliche'.. He needs to do a little more research and stop just repeating the stereotypical republican view..
I really can't believe what the majority of these comments say.. I know in the rock world everyone tends to be more liberal because they don't know a thing about how the rest of the world works, but Christ this seriously bothers me that so many of you think socialism is so great..
I think we can all safely say that 99% of musicians have no ****ing clue about politics, and especially not Dave Mustain.
"Following" politics and "understanding" politics are two different things, and Dave's ravings about "America will R socilisd!" are based on nothing more than buzzwords and superficial appearances.
Read a book, Dave, read a book.
i can agree about the 99%, 99% of musicians are liberals.
People, it doesn't matter if Mustaine screwed up with what he said or not.
The fact is, there are a bunch of rich families and banks raping our entire society. All the politicians are bought and sold and the system doesn't work anymore because it's run by crooks. Unless we the people take the power that is ours and unite to take on this evil the world will always have war, genocides, hatred, dumbed down societies etc.
Call me whatever you want for my views, but the society in which we live mainly consists of brainwashed idiots... dumbed down by mass media.
Most girls from 12-17 dress like prostitutes and most boys/men are just completely sex driven now. Then again, how can you be surprised when parents let their kids watch Jersey Shore and all that garbage.
Our society has fallen too low, and we will soon see why these media distractions were terrible for us when we could have stopped it at any time. There will come a time where it will be far too late.
Sigh... Communism and Socialism are two different forms of government. TBH, We ALL live in some form of controlled economy. The American population pays the second lowest amount of taxes of any developed nation. Just... Sigh.
We should just weed out the morons that believe in "change" and send them to a different country. Instead of moving forward why don't we learn from the past. It's always about taking a new direction. The only direction we need to go is back to what this country was founded on. Too many morons since then have led us further from that and it's disgusting!
Well regarding the Christian lack of support for the Health Care, its has very little to do with a lack of desire to insure the needy and has much more to do with some of the specifics, one of which being the possibility of our money involuntarily paying for things we don't believe are right, such as abortion.
And yeah a lot of us shouldn't talk too much cuz most of us base our opinions on what we've heard in passing and without any real research in the subject.
woah. 3000 copies and it debuted at 161? what the hell happened to the music business? i recall bands selling 4-5 million records and not being on top of the charts.
Its this thing called the internet. It's like TV only you communicate? or something. Just google it.
cRACk mONKEyTTU :
He's right about our country becoming socialist. He didnt say that we are, but we are HEADING THAT WAY, and that really is true. I dont believe it will come to that though, but I hope to god that Obama doesnt get re-elected. I feel like the only politician who has good ideas and actually cares for our country's freedom at the moment is Ron Paul. But I dont think that he could win the presidency, so IDK. America is just not in the greatest of places right now. The one thing that our country must keep is the most powerful military, or else I honestly think we are screwed.
This guy's view on socialism seems very ignorant. It's hard to discuss politics if you break it down into a black-and-white view on the opposite opinion than your own. Also he claims that democracy and socialism are two different things, but that's not necesarily true.
Actually the liberal economy was a big part of the financial crisis which led to many of the unemployed people today - both ideologies have their ups and downs, but it's useless if you refuse to admit this. It's allright to believe in something, but that doesn't have to be the same as being ignorant.
Let's remove all socialism from America, Dave. Pull your kid out of public school, don't call the cops if someone busts into your house and steals all of your guitars, don't call the fire department when they burn it down, don't drive on public streets, don't take public transportation, and don't send or receive any mail. Sound good?
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Please do America a HUGE favor, keep flippin burgers and stay far far away from politics. BWAAHAHAHAHAHA
thrashenstein :
Lapidus wrote:
ok, that's when you realize that the guy is just plain ignorant, please, just talk about guitars Dave...
And I thought he was supposed to have been be saved by god or something from his drug habits ? I might be dumb, but Jesus was all about sharing, forgiving and loving... When you think about it, how can you be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time...mmmm?
WOW!! BWAAHAHAHAHAHA you have absolutely no idea what your talking about. Do you even know what a capitalist is? Hurry hurry go look it up now so you can post something that'll make people think you knew all along. HAHAHAHA
ugh.. someones gotta tell this troll to stop saying "BWAHAHAHA"
are you Japanese or just 12?
If Dave thinks private ownership is dying out in the United States and being replaced with collective ownership, then I want whatever drugs he's taking.
m
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1) If you're going to comment in a politically geared article, make damn sure you know what the hell you're talking about. The amount of people talking out of their ass is unbelievable. Research and understand the topic at hand before you comment about it.
why? Dave hasnt, and he gets a front page article on your website, but we cant even make a comment on it without it being removed?
Lovely how socialism got such a bad reputation, and now apparently stands for living in poverty instead of equality. Really though, heading towards a socialist state? Obama just gave the people of the US healthcare... Well, that evil bastard.
As it has been said before: Total capitalism isn't good, nor is total socialism. To me, Obama is heading towards a compromise between the two, which also seems like the perfect solution to me.
Show me one time when socialism has worked.
Healthcare sounds awesome, which is why Obama got it through. But if you really look at it, it's awful. You have to play by the governments rules, which are pretty cruddy rules. They like to show other countries that have socialized medicine as being awesome, but if you actually do your research you'll find that healthcare is a joke in those countries.
How many people posting on this forum either a) still live with their parents b) don't have a job c) are collecting unemployment d) love Bob Marley and Che Guevara? That should explain a lot of what I'm reading right now. The people described are precisely the reason why socialism will never work. If our government can't run a budget how could it possibly manage supply? To the post above: Amen. The stimulus package allotted the same amount of money to the Small Business Administration as it did the Smithsonian Institute, as posted on the government website. Keep living in your utopic, feel-good bubbles.
+1 Epic.
Support yourself. Live in the real world. Test your theories in the crucible of life and see if they hold up. Then comment. And if you still believe in socialism OR communism, feel free to give all your money to the government. No one's stopping you.
socialism is economic communism. its a state where the government controls business. thats exactly what our current president is pushing for. he wants the government to run all business. that is socialism. i dont care what anyone says. Weither you agree with it or not, i dont understand how it can be denied. both sides are being run by progressive radicals and its hurting us. i think dave is right. capitalism has its downfalls no doubt, but its still much more successful than socialism or communism. and no, we arent there yet. but just like Dave said, were heading there.
No. Do more research. Preferably, at least, on the basics of what socialism is and what it is not. Socialism has absolutely NOTHING to do with government controlling private businesses. Let me say it again: NOTHING. I'd make it in size 28 font if I could. I cannot believe people still spew that bullshit.
And I don't even want a socialist society. I'm content with a capitalist society (though it could certainly be improved from its current state). But good ****ing lord, at least get the basic definitions correct.
Lovely how socialism got such a bad reputation, and now apparently stands for living in poverty instead of equality. Really though, heading towards a socialist state? Obama just gave the people of the US healthcare... Well, that evil bastard.
As it has been said before: Total capitalism isn't good, nor is total socialism. To me, Obama is heading towards a compromise between the two, which also seems like the perfect solution to me.
Show me one time when socialism has worked.
Healthcare sounds awesome, which is why Obama got it through. But if you really look at it, it's awful. You have to play by the governments rules, which are pretty cruddy rules. They like to show other countries that have socialized medicine as being awesome, but if you actually do your research you'll find that healthcare is a joke in those countries.
And what countries are you referencing? Japan has universal health care and their health care industry is more privatized than the US's has ever been.
To be fair...socialism is different from communism, but it still only works in Europe because the massive American economy acts as a stabilizer. It's also why the European countries, though generally the most powerful and wealthy independently, needed to create the European Union to remain competitive with the United States, Russia, and China. Socialism sounds really nice, because it ostensibly strives for social justice in a way that capitalism doesn't. To that extent, it is awesome. Unfortunately it cannot realistically ever achieve that goal because it is a construct that is at odds with human nature- perhaps not individual nature, but certainly societal nature. When another provides for you it has an atrophying effect. Because you don't have to do for yourself, your ABILITY to do for yourself withers. It is no different than a feeding a wild animal- it ultimately destroys their ability to be self-sufficient. The government should absolutely be there to help citizens who fall get back up, but our social justice programs are not designed in a way that encourages rehabilitation; they become wheelchairs rather than crutches. Rather than helping to strengthen the wounded legs of unfortunate Americans so they can walk on their own again, it becomes easier to sit- until their legs are vestigial.
In other news, Mustaine still (like the probably large percentage of the US population) believes Clinton was up for impeachment because of his sexual antics. I'm supposed to be convinced that he really pays attention to politics, yet still believes this is why Clinton was put up for impeachment? Right...
And Iraq was for freedom I'm guessing. And Obama has concentration camps where he keeps unruly conservatives. And the government did 9/11. Blah blah. We're talking about a guy who thinks Alex Jones is intelligent. I'm pretty sure Mustaine the last guy I would go to for political analysis.
Let's remove all socialism from America, Dave. Pull your kid out of public school, don't call the cops if someone busts into your house and steals all of your guitars, don't call the fire department when they burn it down, don't drive on public streets, don't take public transportation, and don't send or receive any mail. Sound good?
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Please do America a HUGE favor, keep flippin burgers and stay far far away from politics. BWAAHAHAHAHAHA
It makes perfect sense. All of those are examples of socialism that we rely on every day. I'll leave it at that unless you have an intelligent response. (You won't.)
Let's remove all socialism from America, Dave. Pull your kid out of public school, don't call the cops if someone busts into your house and steals all of your guitars, don't call the fire department when they burn it down, don't drive on public streets, don't take public transportation, and don't send or receive any mail. Sound good?
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Please do America a HUGE favor, keep flippin burgers and stay far far away from politics. BWAAHAHAHAHAHA
It makes perfect sense. All of those are examples of socialism that we rely on every day. I'll leave it at that unless you have an intelligent response. (You won't.)
Our Public School system sucks, considering all these comments
The cops come like an hour later after you call them, even if there is a gun to your head
The fire department is getting cut, Especially in New York City (where I live) being that it is such a crucial part of our liveleyhood
The public streets are riddled with potholes and cracks and are never fixed properly.
public transportation is very very corrupt and unreliable
along with public sanitation (go into the tri state area and mention the words "slow down")
Just people want the government to stay the hell out of their lives doesn't mean they do not want government at all. It just means that there is a limit on what the government can and can't do. That is in the Constitution. There is no fine line between Socialism and Communism. However, there is a very very fine line between Communism and Fascism. Ironic isn't it?
Lots of comments on this one, damn.
But what is it with Americans and their extremely anti-Socialist views? Sure, the US is the land of the free, but the point of the government (the effectiveness of which can obviously be questioned) is to make the country a better place for the people. Made a little Socialism will help America out, especially after the hard economic times and all. Good luck to Obama doing anything after that massive shake-up in the senate, though.
what in hell is going on with the musicians nowadays? seems they're going nuts!! A while ago, I've read on this page a quote by Kanye West stating that Coldplay is a better band than The Beatles and now i read Dave Mustain blabbering all that nonesense about socialism and politics..what the hell!
Let's remove all socialism from America, Dave. Pull your kid out of public school, don't call the cops if someone busts into your house and steals all of your guitars, don't call the fire department when they burn it down, don't drive on public streets, don't take public transportation, and don't send or receive any mail. Sound good?
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Please do America a HUGE favor, keep flippin burgers and stay far far away from politics. BWAAHAHAHAHAHA
It makes perfect sense. All of those are examples of socialism that we rely on every day. I'll leave it at that unless you have an intelligent response. (You won't.)
Our Public School system sucks, considering all these comments
The cops come like an hour later after you call them, even if there is a gun to your head
The fire department is getting cut, Especially in New York City (where I live) being that it is such a crucial part of our liveleyhood
The public streets are riddled with potholes and cracks and are never fixed properly.
public transportation is very very corrupt and unreliable
along with public sanitation (go into the tri state area and mention the words "slow down")
Just people want the government to stay the hell out of their lives doesn't mean they do not want government at all. It just means that there is a limit on what the government can and can't do. That is in the Constitution. There is no fine line between Socialism and Communism. However, there is a very very fine line between Communism and Fascism. Ironic isn't it?
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its still 'We the people'.. right?
Perfectly stated. I absolutely agree. All of those suck because of greed. The school system is held down by bureaucracy (Look at district superintendents who make gross amounts of money to do nothing)and is inefficient in distributing funds. Nothing gets done unless there's money in it for someone. What we have isn't effective and I never said it is, I'm just perplexed why we find socialism to be a bad word. I believe in personal freedoms, and while I hate defining myself by a party, I am a registered libertarian, I just think it is very limiting to regard socialism as a no-no. The problem isn't socialism, its the greed that screws us over from every angle. When you have the top 1% of wage earners making 24% of the total wealth, more than the entire bottom 50% of earners, and nothing is getting done, there's a problem, and the free market is no longer working.
Who cares what Dave Mustaine's opinions are about politics? It's not even relevant.
Clearly, a lot of people do if there are hundreds of comments on an article about it. Just sayin'.
I don't agree with everything the man says, but I do think he truly believes what he says, and I'm not going to damn him for it. The only people I'd call out as being tools are people who actually do harm (ie, your Hitler's, Stalin's, etc.). It just makes me laugh when people can't stand another's beliefs and opinions. Everyone just needs to take a chill pill and grow the **** up a bit, yes?
Lovely how socialism got such a bad reputation, and now apparently stands for living in poverty instead of equality. Really though, heading towards a socialist state? Obama just gave the people of the US healthcare... Well, that evil bastard.
As it has been said before: Total capitalism isn't good, nor is total socialism. To me, Obama is heading towards a compromise between the two, which also seems like the perfect solution to me.
Show me one time when socialism has worked.
Healthcare sounds awesome, which is why Obama got it through. But if you really look at it, it's awful. You have to play by the governments rules, which are pretty cruddy rules. They like to show other countries that have socialized medicine as being awesome, but if you actually do your research you'll find that healthcare is a joke in those countries.
I've got to say that the healthcare in countries such as Norway or Sweden, which are using the economic & social 'Nordic' model is pretty darn great. This model ensures the economic and social well-being of all their citizens... Which leads to the point I already made: Social security is not a bad thing, as long as you don't go overboard. A socialist utopia is great in theory, but will never work, because the revolution would have to be led by a group of totally selfless individuals, which simply don't exist.
Who cares what Dave Mustaine's opinions are about politics? It's not even relevant.
Clearly, a lot of people do if there are hundreds of comments on an article about it. Just sayin'.
I don't agree with everything the man says, but I do think he truly believes what he says, and I'm not going to damn him for it. The only people I'd call out as being tools are people who actually do harm (ie, your Hitler's, Stalin's, etc.). It just makes me laugh when people can't stand another's beliefs and opinions. Everyone just needs to take a chill pill and grow the **** up a bit, yes?
And, to add to this. All of you people who are slamming him for showing just a tiny shred of right-wing politics need to remember that he was critical of the Bush Administration too.
If you all really believe that a Socialist and Communist Countries is so "advanced" why aren't you moving out of America and living. Half of you haven't ever even been to Europe to be talking the non-sense ignorant shit that comes out of your mouth. Easy to bash when your collecting unemployment, living off food stamps, or living with your mom when you could have educated your damn self in a country of so many second chances. Why don't you go to another Socialist country and leave this "UNDERDEVELOPED" country alone if its so damn bad. I'm sure in less than 3 months you'll be jumping the boarder like the rest of them.
Flame flame flame Dave is an idiot flame flame flame economics flame flame flame socialism flame flame communist flame flame flame ARE PEOPLE REALLY ARGUING ABOUT THIS?!
The problem is that schools don't teach you how to think critically and how to reason, independently of your beliefs, anymore, and only teach you to take sides by making you see a one-sided history of the world, from the perspective of a single country. We don't encourage the youth to think for itself, we encourage it to study so that it can get a diploma for a job and make money, making you more apt for the "free" market than for a democratic system. We should really reconsider the education system if we are to reconsider the social, political and economic system that a state should follow.
That, or we just put a whack-job dictator at the head of state so that everybody hates him and no one gets into conflict with the nonexisting other parties.
And that
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Also, declaring the healthcare system proposed by president Obama as being "socialist" is like calling every thing that the US has done since the Reagan administration "fascist". You have to think about what your favourite media/politicians/activists say before you gobble it up and regurgitate it on your blog and/or your ballot, else you are just being used. That's right, like a tool.
Remember, kids, be it Right or Left, extremes always lead to a crappier world.
If you all really believe that a Socialist and Communist Countries is so "advanced" why aren't you moving out of America and living. Half of you haven't ever even been to Europe to be talking the non-sense ignorant shit that comes out of your mouth. Easy to bash when your collecting unemployment, living off food stamps, or living with your mom when you could have educated your damn self in a country of so many second chances. Why don't you go to another Socialist country and leave this "UNDERDEVELOPED" country alone if its so damn bad. I'm sure in less than 3 months you'll be jumping the boarder like the rest of them.
Before you bash make sure you spellcheck! Arguments rife with grammatical error rarely make history (unless you're Sarah Palin since her book is rife with error).
Mustaine is obnoxious as ****, I'm not really surprised by his beliefs.
Also, if you visited to the Megadeth website and checked his bio, it clearly states that his favorite thing on TV is Fox News. 7 / 11 shows are just opinion-based segments. For once, I blame the media for his beliefs. Ironic for a metalhead, eh?
If you all really believe that a Socialist and Communist Countries is so "advanced" why aren't you moving out of America and living. Half of you haven't ever even been to Europe to be talking the non-sense ignorant shit that comes out of your mouth. Easy to bash when your collecting unemployment, living off food stamps, or living with your mom when you could have educated your damn self in a country of so many second chances. Why don't you go to another Socialist country and leave this "UNDERDEVELOPED" country alone if its so damn bad. I'm sure in less than 3 months you'll be jumping the boarder like the rest of them.
If you all really believe that a Socialist and Communist Countries is so "advanced" why aren't you moving out of America and living. Half of you haven't ever even been to Europe to be talking the non-sense ignorant shit that comes out of your mouth. Easy to bash when your collecting unemployment, living off food stamps, or living with your mom when you could have educated your damn self in a country of so many second chances. Why don't you go to another Socialist country and leave this "UNDERDEVELOPED" country alone if its so damn bad. I'm sure in less than 3 months you'll be jumping the boarder like the rest of them.
Obviously anybody who doesn't think the US is going down the road of socialism is an ignorant welfare abuser.
Obviously anybody who doesn't like the current state of the US should get out, because, you know, that's what democracy is all about -- leaving if you don't like how things are going.
Obviously the US is the most fantastic country in the world and needs no improvement.
Who cares what Dave Mustaine's opinions are about politics? It's not even relevant.
Clearly, a lot of people do if there are hundreds of comments on an article about it. Just sayin'.
I don't agree with everything the man says, but I do think he truly believes what he says, and I'm not going to damn him for it. The only people I'd call out as being tools are people who actually do harm (ie, your Hitler's, Stalin's, etc.). It just makes me laugh when people can't stand another's beliefs and opinions. Everyone just needs to take a chill pill and grow the **** up a bit, yes?
It really has nothing to do with him giving an opinion, it's that his opinion is riddled with ignorance and plain factual incorrectness. In a few sentences he managed to get a number of facts wrong and show a blatant misunderstanding of multiple political-economic systems, all while pushing an ignorant agenda.
He thinks Clinton was impeached on the basis of a blowjob. Entirely false, and I'm depressed people still believe this.
He thinks the US is on a road to socialism. False. It's quite obvious both Democrats and Republicans (as terrible as both of them are) are both free-market parties. They're both right-leaning parties in every other democratic country in world -- the US just likes to make up random political spectrums that don't align with anything else in reality. Democrats are about as leftist as my right shoe is.
Government is not a requisite for socialism. Quite the opposite actually. One of the more significant details of socialism is that it promotes getting rid of "the State." I wouldn't expect Mustaine to know that, given he probably hasn't cracked open a textbook in decades.
Socialism and communism are not the same theory. Yet Mustaine, like countless others, pretend the words can be used interchangeably. They can't be.
My Gosh....U.S.S.R.A....wouldn't that mean United Soviet States of Russia America? Why do Americans think socialism and communism go hand in hand...Socialism doesn't work without democracy...and the last British party was socially inclined but we weren't like China/Soviet Russia...Dave Mustane I have lost respect.
ok, that's when you realize that the guy is just plain ignorant, please, just talk about guitars Dave...
And I thought he was supposed to have been be saved by god or something from his drug habits ? I might be dumb, but Jesus was all about sharing, forgiving and loving... When you think about it, how can you be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time...mmmm?
theres a difference between sharing and giving someone a portion of what you earn because you have a job and they dont.
Oh Dave.. I love you but you don't have a clue about socialism. It's the sterotypical view of that liberals have: everything revolves around 'freedom' and the unconditional preservation of it, however there is no clear definition of what 'freedom' means in a political context.
Socialism = Workers control of the means of production.
Communism = Community control of the means of production.
State Capitalism = Most of the degenerated top-down authoritarian regimes associated with the two above.
Without these basic definitions and understandings of political theory, the words are going to be thrown around and abused in all sorts of contexts that are just plain wrong.
I'm glad most people here at least understand that he is fundamentally misunderstanding the word.
socialism - a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
thats from the dictionary, so all you people that are saying "omg socialism is lyk not teh same as communism" should really give some explanation for that, because when you really look at the two systems, they are extremely similar. ya there are a few differences, like how the wealth is distributed, but it is the next step towards communism. and if you actually read what dave said, he says its LIKE a communist country, so everyone saying dave is stupid seriously needs to stfu.
Wow!! You Americans really fear communism don't you guys. You fear it so much that even a little bit of socialism (which obama has introduced, like health care for everybody) gets you all scared. The Cold War is over you knew.
Oh and this big recession is because of greedy Americans who bought to much stuff with "fantasy" money. Luckily it didn't hit us that hard here in the Netherlands, because we're a socialistic country. A country where everyone can go to college/university, get health care, own a home and have a job with meaning. Which of course are bad things considering the point of view of an American...
Again there is no such thing as free anything that comes from government. You will either pay for it through taxes or the government will steal money from somebody else in order to pay for it. When government keeps subsidising something the cost of living goes up for everyone because less people are willing to spend or invest money.
Holy **** how stupid is Dave? Socialism equals communism? That's ****in bullshit, you can have easily run a democracy with socialist values, open your ****in mind.. man, ignorance like that pisses me off.
have you ever taken gr 12 english? if so have you read animal farm? It's been proven by history time and time again that every time socialism is instated it is soon followed by communism rofl... 'all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others'
What does being close minded have to do with being a socialist? Anyway, the political spectrum is two dimensional at least; (economic)liberal and social(economic) on one axis, conservative and progressive on the other.
Holy **** how stupid is Dave? Socialism equals communism? That's ****in bullshit, you can have easily run a democracy with socialist values, open your ****in mind.. man, ignorance like that pisses me off.
have you ever taken gr 12 english? if so have you read animal farm? It's been proven by history time and time again that every time socialism is instated it is soon followed by communism rofl... 'all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others'
Never seen prove of social democratic state just turning to communism actually. All European countries would be labeled 'socialistic' in American terms anyway, so you are trying to stay that entire Europe is communistic?
sometimes i kind of wish that there was a board of political correspondents who replied to each internet comment regarding politics. i have a feeling most of the responses would be something like, "where the hell are you getting these facts? and why the hell would come to THAT conclusion based on THESE facts?"
ok, that's when you realize that the guy is just plain ignorant, please, just talk about guitars Dave...
And I thought he was supposed to have been be saved by god or something from his drug habits ? I might be dumb, but Jesus was all about sharing, forgiving and loving... When you think about it, how can you be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time...mmmm?
im not liberal/socialist or conservative/capitalist whatever people do on labeling for politics, and im not looking to argue its a waste of time and i honstly think dave should stay out of politics, as should all musicians... but anyway i know many many christians who are yes conservative and capatalist but are extremely charitable people and caring, and im Agnostic and im not being biased. but people shouldnt put religion or God's or Jesus's or whoever's ideas as examples for ideas of politics or whatever else. i understand when people say that He/he was socialist because He/he said share but we dont know him personally, share doesnt automaticly mean socialism does it? and what does love and forgivness have to do with it and how do we know what he'd been in favor of nowadays? again im not looking to argue or insult anyone or anything its just what i feel and i guess because i dont like to assume what someone means.
Socialism = Workers control of the means of production.
Communism = Community control of the means of production.
State Capitalism = Most of the degenerated top-down authoritarian regimes associated with the two above.
Without these basic definitions and understandings of political theory, the words are going to be thrown around and abused in all sorts of contexts that are just plain wrong.
I'm glad most people here at least understand that he is fundamentally misunderstanding the word.
Just try to remember that Dave lived in the time there was still cold war. He probably has more hatred towards socialism or communism cause of those times. I do understand that Dave is being pretty straight forward, but I also understand his point since he has lived in the time when there were soviets.
ok, that's when you realize that the guy is just plain ignorant, please, just talk about guitars Dave...
And I thought he was supposed to have been be saved by god or something from his drug habits ? I might be dumb, but Jesus was all about sharing, forgiving and loving... When you think about it, how can you be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time...mmmm?
im not liberal/socialist or conservative/capitalist whatever people do on labeling for politics, and im not looking to argue its a waste of time and i honstly think dave should stay out of politics, as should all musicians... but anyway i know many many christians who are yes conservative and capatalist but are extremely charitable people and caring, and im Agnostic and im not being biased. but people shouldnt put religion or God's or Jesus's or whoever's ideas as examples for ideas of politics or whatever else. i understand when people say that He/he was socialist because He/he said share but we dont know him personally, share doesnt automaticly mean socialism does it? and what does love and forgivness have to do with it and how do we know what he'd been in favor of nowadays? again im not looking to argue or insult anyone or anything its just what i feel and i guess because i dont like to assume what someone means.
Holy **** how stupid is Dave? Socialism equals communism? That's ****in bullshit, you can have easily run a democracy with socialist values, open your ****in mind.. man, ignorance like that pisses me off.
have you ever taken gr 12 english? if so have you read animal farm? It's been proven by history time and time again that every time socialism is instated it is soon followed by communism rofl... 'all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others'
...Yet was written by a socialist. That book is an allegory to the rise of the soviet union, and where they as an individual nation went wrong. You could argue that they functioned as more of a State Capitalist country than an even remotely communist society. All in all it is certainly no reason to dismiss the socialist agenda.
Holy **** how stupid is Dave? Socialism equals communism? That's ****in bullshit, you can have easily run a democracy with socialist values, open your ****in mind.. man, ignorance like that pisses me off.
+100000
The man clearly knows nothing about politics. Stick to playing guitar Dave.
It's also important to bear in mind that socialism is a somewhat vague term. It seems to be given to anything between communism and capitalism, so one man's socialist country may be entirely different to another.
It's also important to bear in mind that socialism is a somewhat vague term. It seems to be given to anything between communism and capitalism, so one man's socialist country may be entirely different to another.
Socialism is when the government controls the means of production by nationalizing an industry.
Facism is when the government controls the means of production by controling the individual owners of private industry.
Capitalism is when government does not control the means of production and industries remain private.
Someone elect this man for 2012. Must be the only rockstar who doesn't have their head shoved up their ass politically.
YES. Him and 'Nuge in 2010
2012 **** lol
also this
For all you people who apparently say to look up the definition of socialism, it is any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods. It also has to do with taxing the rich more because they're rich.
The Government owns part of GM.
Hidden in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (health care bill), it says that if you're self employed or an individual whose income is $200,000 a year or more or if a family's income is more than $250,000 a year, they must pay 0.5% more in taxes. It may be small, but it's socialist.
This message goes out to all the people who say to go look up the definition of socialism and who say the the PPACA isn't socialist.
It's also important to bear in mind that socialism is a somewhat vague term. It seems to be given to anything between communism and capitalism, so one man's socialist country may be entirely different to another.
Socialism is when the government controls the means of production by nationalizing an industry.
Facism is when the government controls the means of production by controling the individual owners of private industry.
Capitalism is when government does not control the means of production and industries remain private.
I know this, but many other people today confuse it with other things, which ultimately distorts it's meaning. So when someone says something is 'socialist' there's always a good chance that they're talking bollocks. Sorry if I wasn't clear. :p
I have just become a megadeth fan.we need people speaking out against socialism.If you want to live in a socialist country move.That is not what the united states was founded upon.
It's also important to bear in mind that socialism is a somewhat vague term. It seems to be given to anything between communism and capitalism, so one man's socialist country may be entirely different to another.
Socialism is when the government controls the means of production by nationalizing an industry.
Facism is when the government controls the means of production by controling the individual owners of private industry.
Capitalism is when government does not control the means of production and industries remain private.
Socialism advocates the lack of "State control" (i.e. government). Socialism DOES NOT require any government action. It promotes the common ownership of the means of production. "Common ownership is a principle according to which the assets of an enterprise or other organization are held indivisibly rather than in the names of the individual members or by a public institution such as a governmental body."
In other words: In a socialist society, the means of production and allocation of resources are placed within the hands of the labor force. That does not require a government, and is actually in direct contrast to public (government) ownership.
Call it communism, call it free.
Some call the ocean what some call the sea.
Call it what you want.
It doesn't change a thing for me. Not a thing.
Tesla
qrEE Your logic baffles me and you need to restudy your history.
And Dave Mustaine you just earned major respect from me
Sorry, I was really tired. Let me summarize
BS fills both sides of the political spectrum. Totalitarianism is the end result of the extreme ends of the spectrum. The modern day extremism is causing people to push towards the ends of the spectrum, causing people to basically be pushing for totalitarianism, either way. The best economy is laissez faire, but we are NOT in a state where that is a choice. If we lean towards socialism, then we would have a better chance at stabilizing the economy, and then we can be done with it. But this political extremism, considering Socialism as a taboo, an enemy, is going to tear us apart.
Basically, what I'm advocating is that we be socialist at least long enough to get out of the rut, like we did during the Depression, and start with programs to help stabilize the economy. The reason why America is so screwed right now is because people are too stupid and scared to ALLOW for recovery.
It's also important to bear in mind that socialism is a somewhat vague term. It seems to be given to anything between communism and capitalism, so one man's socialist country may be entirely different to another.
Socialism is when the government controls the means of production by nationalizing an industry.
Facism is when the government controls the means of production by controling the individual owners of private industry.
Capitalism is when government does not control the means of production and industries remain private.
Whoa, I just reread this and realised you're wrong, but my previous statement about bollocks still stands.
Someone elect this man for 2012. Must be the only rockstar who doesn't have their head shoved up their ass politically.
YES. Him and 'Nuge in 2010
2012 **** lol
also this
For all you people who apparently say to look up the definition of socialism, it is any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods. It also has to do with taxing the rich more because they're rich.
The Government owns part of GM.
Hidden in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (health care bill), it says that if you're self employed or an individual whose income is $200,000 a year or more or if a family's income is more than $250,000 a year, they must pay 0.5% more in taxes. It may be small, but it's socialist.
This message goes out to all the people who say to go look up the definition of socialism and who say the the PPACA isn't socialist.
What's the matter about socialism?
I live in a socialist country (Denmark), and look.. It's the happiest country in the world, with one of the highest incomes per citizen in the world.. Free healthcare, free education (with financial support), Financial support for various things, and free this and that.. For that, I'm gladly paying half my paycheck in taxes!
Seriously, socialism doesn't limit your freedom at all. Google my country abit, and you'll find out that it is one of the countries in the world with the highest rate of freedom.. And oh, yes, we pay extra for everything, but atleast our citizens aren't in need of owning firearms because of a high crime rate, which is caused by not helping the weak.. Which all could be avoided with "socialism"..
If you guys knew as much about politics as you think you do then you probably wouldn't have the time to go on UG. People these days seem to think they're aficionados on any given subject just because they read a wikipedia article. Let's just face that we (me, you, and Dave Mustaine) really don't know the first thing about politics.
I'm sorry, I was going to stay out of this, but this is the dumbest thing I've ever read. I have a degree in political science, and do read constantly, and I also have time to peruse the wastelands of UG. Dave Mustaine doesn't have a clue as to what he is talking about.
The United States is primarily *gasp* A SOCIALIST system...the capitalism exists only in the market. Don't believe me?
If you guys knew as much about politics as you think you do then you probably wouldn't have the time to go on UG. People these days seem to think they're aficionados on any given subject just because they read a wikipedia article. Let's just face that we (me, you, and Dave Mustaine) really don't know the first thing about politics.
I'm sorry, I was going to stay out of this, but this is the dumbest thing I've ever read. I have a degree in political science, and do read constantly, and I also have time to peruse the wastelands of UG. Dave Mustaine doesn't have a clue as to what he is talking about.
The United States is primarily *gasp* A SOCIALIST system...the capitalism exists only in the market. Don't believe me?
There's your proof.
If you follow the above link, apologies; it's the first picture (the rest are just of my car). This is the direct link to the above mentioned photo:
METAL MIKEY wrote:
i think dave came to the realization that in a socialist state, a large sum of his hard earned money will be taken by the government and used for bullshit reasons. l
Yeah, like roads, police, fire protection, education, national defense, etc. People want the things taxes pay for but don't want to pay taxes. Then they complain about a "nanny state". Isn't that what you want -- your "parents" to pay for everything for you?
Regardless of my opinion, it was dumb of Dave to compare socialism to democracy because they're not even in the same field. He should have compared socialism to capitalism. He may have been watching too much Fox News.
i would like to know how many of the people bashing Fox News/Glenn Beck actually have watched it, and not for one show, but for an extended period of time. Alas, many people hop on the band wagon... ignorance, can't live with it... can't live without it.
According to Karl, socialism is the imperfect first step TOWARDS the "inevitability" of communism. And Dave's been like this for fking decades, if you didn't notice that, you simply weren't paying any attention. The fkr can still shred though.
Anybody who debates over politics is just completely wasting their time because none of us know how politics really work, you may think you do, but you really don't. What you watch on CNN isn't how politics work, what your teachers "teach" you in school, isn't how politics work... This is just the government trying to brainwash the naive majority of America's population into thinking they are actually looking out for each and every one of us. Just another way of controling society much like religion does. It's just the corrupt system we are apart of and there is absolutely nothing we can do about. Just don't be a follower like most people are and like some other people said, be able to form your own opinions, don't let people brainwash you.
This is why Dave, you are a humble musician and more intelligent people make the decisions. You may have won celebrity Jeopardy, but you don't even understand the concept of socialism. You've been sold the republican polemic that 'pitching in and helping less fortunate people=losing you God given right to freedom'. I'm guessing you will vote for Palin next election. You blame a man for not being able to deliver jobs when he inherited a massive economic problem (debatably created by the previous government's policies or lack thereof concerning anything but personal war profits) at the very start of his term. Have you even watched the news recently? Your president is trying to put your country back on the path of 'World Leading Innovator' status that it was in the 1960s. Keep writing riffs Dave and leave the big stuff to the big boys.
According to Karl, socialism is the imperfect first step TOWARDS the "inevitability" of communism. And Dave's been like this for fking decades, if you didn't notice that, you simply weren't paying any attention. The fkr can still shred though.
Who the hell is Karl? The Dad off Family Matters? Every country executes a degree of socialism kid. Yes, even the United States. Ever heard of 'food stamps'? Socialism. Ever heard of 'aid for hurricane Katrina victims'? Socialism. Ever heard of 'tax payer funded bailouts'? Socialism. Ever heard of 'roads, sidewalks and public works'? Yep, you guessed it, socialism. Granted, regarding health care the United States has an extremely low level of socialism compared to most first world countries, but one may attribute this to differences in the political system, differing levels of gullibility among voters, preferences of deference to politicians who claim to be religious or getting messages from God and whatnot. Just because 'Karl' (who? Marx? Jung' The Dad off Family Matters that hates Steve Erkel?) says so just states 'Karl's' opinion. Look around you kid.
Socialized medical works well for my country, Canada...
Its ironic that Dave Mustaine and so many other "christians" have this stance on the idea...Isn't helping the less fortunate and taking care of people that can't care for themselves properly one of the core values of the Christian Faith?
Blow it out your ass Dave, I can't believe so many Americans like you are scared of losing a bit of "freedom" for the sake of helping other people...America isn't the land of the free, its the land of the ignorant.
What's funny is that though I don't fully agree with the problem of being a little more "socialist" in the U.S. I really like this article because Dave points to a president who left us with a surplus as a good example.
You wanna impeach a guy for getting a blowjob yet you have a guy that's destroying our country and you just let him run rampant
Socialized medical works well for my country, Canada...
Its ironic that Dave Mustaine and so many other "christians" have this stance on the idea...Isn't helping the less fortunate and taking care of people that can't care for themselves properly one of the core values of the Christian Faith?
Blow it out your ass Dave, I can't believe so many Americans like you are scared of losing a bit of "freedom" for the sake of helping other people...America isn't the land of the free, its the land of the ignorant.
sludgegarden69 wrote:
As for Christianity and socialism going hand-in-hand... No. Jesus preached charity and selflessness, not government-imposed "equality". Once it's mandated that you be charitable, it is no longer charity. People do best under the least government possible.
The world is the land of Ignorant, because you and everyone else are just as much ignorant as me or anyone else when it comes to knowing everything. No it really doesn't work well in Canada ... Jay Lehr, Ph.D. - Health Care News said, “Canadian health insurance is compulsory, monopolistic, and administered by the various provincial governments under strict control of the federal government. It is illegal for a Canadian citizen to carry private insurance coverage for any health care services covered by the government. The government tells physicians how much they can charge for their services; the government sets drug prices. The supply of medical services in Canada is completely rationed.”
....Canadians may not pay the price in dollar terms, but they pay a steep price in terms of care denied or delayed and the poor quality of service provided by unhappy medical practitioners whose incomes do not match their skill and training. Dr. Jacques, A Quebec physician Chanoulli was suing the Canadian government for better care for people.
Dr. Jay H. Lehr is science director for The Heartland Institute also said “Long waiting lines are the worst flaw in the system. The Fraser Institute, a Canadian think tank, calculated in 2003 the average Canadian waited more than four months for treatment by a specialist once the referral was made by a general practitioner. According to the Fraser Institute's work, the shortest median wait was 6.1 weeks for oncology (cancer) treatment without radiation. In some provinces, neurosurgery patients waited more than 31.7 weeks to a year. A MRI requires, on average, a three-month wait in Canada.” "The Vancouver, British Columbia-based Fraser Institute annually publishes "Waiting Your Turn." Its 2006 edition gives waiting times, by treatments, from a person's referral by a general practitioner to treatment by a specialist. The orthopedic surgery wait is about 40.3 weeks, while plastic surgery at 35.4.
If you guys knew as much about politics as you think you do then you probably wouldn't have the time to go on UG. People these days seem to think they're aficionados on any given subject just because they read a wikipedia article. Let's just face that we (me, you, and Dave Mustaine) really don't know the first thing about politics.
I'm sorry, I was going to stay out of this, but this is the dumbest thing I've ever read. I have a degree in political science, and do read constantly, and I also have time to peruse the wastelands of UG. Dave Mustaine doesn't have a clue as to what he is talking about.
The United States is primarily *gasp* A SOCIALIST system...the capitalism exists only in the market. Don't believe me?
Just be like Saskatchewan! we're capatalist with a touch of socialism and guess what we were barely affected by the recession. natural resources help haha
Socialized medical works well for my country, Canada...
Its ironic that Dave Mustaine and so many other "christians" have this stance on the idea...Isn't helping the less fortunate and taking care of people that can't care for themselves properly one of the core values of the Christian Faith?
Blow it out your ass Dave, I can't believe so many Americans like you are scared of losing a bit of "freedom" for the sake of helping other people...America isn't the land of the free, its the land of the ignorant.
sludgegarden69 wrote:
As for Christianity and socialism going hand-in-hand... No. Jesus preached charity and selflessness, not government-imposed "equality". Once it's mandated that you be charitable, it is no longer charity. People do best under the least government possible.
The world is the land of Ignorant, because you and everyone else are just as much ignorant as me or anyone else when it comes to knowing everything. No it really doesn't work well in Canada ... Jay Lehr, Ph.D. - Health Care News said, “Canadian health insurance is compulsory, monopolistic, and administered by the various provincial governments under strict control of the federal government. It is illegal for a Canadian citizen to carry private insurance coverage for any health care services covered by the government. The government tells physicians how much they can charge for their services; the government sets drug prices. The supply of medical services in Canada is completely rationed.”
....Canadians may not pay the price in dollar terms, but they pay a steep price in terms of care denied or delayed and the poor quality of service provided by unhappy medical practitioners whose incomes do not match their skill and training. Dr. Jacques, A Quebec physician Chanoulli was suing the Canadian government for better care for people.
Dr. Jay H. Lehr is science director for The Heartland Institute also said “Long waiting lines are the worst flaw in the system. The Fraser Institute, a Canadian think tank, calculated in 2003 the average Canadian waited more than four months for treatment by a specialist once the referral was made by a general practitioner. According to the Fraser Institute's work, the shortest median wait was 6.1 weeks for oncology (cancer) treatment without radiation. In some provinces, neurosurgery patients waited more than 31.7 weeks to a year. A MRI requires, on average, a three-month wait in Canada.” "The Vancouver, British Columbia-based Fraser Institute annually publishes "Waiting Your Turn." Its 2006 edition gives waiting times, by treatments, from a person's referral by a general practitioner to treatment by a specialist. The orthopedic surgery wait is about 40.3 weeks, while plastic surgery at 35.4.
Dude, im from Canada i completely disagree with you, for one the health care in canada is way better than that in the states, yes we may have to wait longer but then we dont go bankrupt over a bloody bill for then do we? plus i wouldnt listen to anything coming out of quebec, they beg and beg for more money all the time. and if we deny them that money they think its cuz they are french and they threaten to break off of canada.
It's also important to bear in mind that socialism is a somewhat vague term. It seems to be given to anything between communism and capitalism, so one man's socialist country may be entirely different to another.
Socialism is when the government controls the means of production by nationalizing an industry.
Facism is when the government controls the means of production by controling the individual owners of private industry.
Capitalism is when government does not control the means of production and industries remain private.
Whoa, I just reread this and realised you're wrong, but my previous statement about bollocks still stands.
No Im definately right. I study political science from a historical perspective. I did'nt just visit wikipedia a few times. Though there are different variations of what i said earlier. I was speaking in terms of reality as in what variation of facism or socialism has generally been implemented. Not the utopian variations that have never been achieved.
Where would Megadeth be without paranoia? Dave knows better than all of us, hes been telling us that for years. Besides, if theres no system to fight he'd have to file for unemployment. I'm glad hes decided free health care means free chickens, thats the kind of logic I want to hear more about. Write a song about it already!!!
qrEE Your logic baffles me and you need to restudy your history.
And Dave Mustaine you just earned major respect from me
Sorry, I was really tired. Let me summarize
BS fills both sides of the political spectrum. Totalitarianism is the end result of the extreme ends of the spectrum. The modern day extremism is causing people to push towards the ends of the spectrum, causing people to basically be pushing for totalitarianism, either way. The best economy is laissez faire, but we are NOT in a state where that is a choice. If we lean towards socialism, then we would have a better chance at stabilizing the economy, and then we can be done with it. But this political extremism, considering Socialism as a taboo, an enemy, is going to tear us apart.
Basically, what I'm advocating is that we be socialist at least long enough to get out of the rut, like we did during the Depression, and start with programs to help stabilize the economy. The reason why America is so screwed right now is because people are too stupid and scared to ALLOW for recovery.
... still baffled. Socialism didnt get us out of the deppression dude, increased production in products for the war did... in other words people working and being productive, not spreading wealth around got us out of the hole that the social welfare programs put us in
Socialized medical works well for my country, Canada...
Its ironic that Dave Mustaine and so many other "christians" have this stance on the idea...Isn't helping the less fortunate and taking care of people that can't care for themselves properly one of the core values of the Christian Faith?
Blow it out your ass Dave, I can't believe so many Americans like you are scared of losing a bit of "freedom" for the sake of helping other people...America isn't the land of the free, its the land of the ignorant.
sludgegarden69 wrote:
As for Christianity and socialism going hand-in-hand... No. Jesus preached charity and selflessness, not government-imposed "equality". Once it's mandated that you be charitable, it is no longer charity. People do best under the least government possible.
The world is the land of Ignorant, because you and everyone else are just as much ignorant as me or anyone else when it comes to knowing everything. No it really doesn't work well in Canada ... Jay Lehr, Ph.D. - Health Care News said, “Canadian health insurance is compulsory, monopolistic, and administered by the various provincial governments under strict control of the federal government. It is illegal for a Canadian citizen to carry private insurance coverage for any health care services covered by the government. The government tells physicians how much they can charge for their services; the government sets drug prices. The supply of medical services in Canada is completely rationed.”
....Canadians may not pay the price in dollar terms, but they pay a steep price in terms of care denied or delayed and the poor quality of service provided by unhappy medical practitioners whose incomes do not match their skill and training. Dr. Jacques, A Quebec physician Chanoulli was suing the Canadian government for better care for people.
Dr. Jay H. Lehr is science director for The Heartland Institute also said “Long waiting lines are the worst flaw in the system. The Fraser Institute, a Canadian think tank, calculated in 2003 the average Canadian waited more than four months for treatment by a specialist once the referral was made by a general practitioner. According to the Fraser Institute's work, the shortest median wait was 6.1 weeks for oncology (cancer) treatment without radiation. In some provinces, neurosurgery patients waited more than 31.7 weeks to a year. A MRI requires, on average, a three-month wait in Canada.” "The Vancouver, British Columbia-based Fraser Institute annually publishes "Waiting Your Turn." Its 2006 edition gives waiting times, by treatments, from a person's referral by a general practitioner to treatment by a specialist. The orthopedic surgery wait is about 40.3 weeks, while plastic surgery at 35.4.
*facepalm*
You're clearly missing the point. Canadas' SOCIALIZED medical program is still one of the best in the world, regardless of what kind of problems it has, it pales in comparison to the mess of a system the American one was.
I love my country and our government, it takes good care of us, regardless of the obligatory bitching everyone does.
Mustaine is a few months late on this...Obama is basically a centrist now, so his "radical" agenda is disappearing. There's a reason Glenn Beck is looking even stupider right now, and that's because Conservatives/Americans have nothing left to fear...
Lol, american people are just so funny, treating socialist as the most evil thing on earth ... you guys are lucky, half the people in my country are socialists if not communists
"What's the matter about socialism?
I live in a socialist country (Denmark) [...] "
1. There are NO real socialists in denmark
2. Denmark's current government is center-right
3. People who lecture others, telling that the first superpower in the world can be ruled as a tiny 5-million-people country are hilarious
yay political arguments!!! wow dave mustaine has no idea what hes talking about...
come to think of it, plenty of americans seem to think socialism involves dictatorship and also they seem to think its gonna kill them. thats just weird and very misinformed
I'll just say something about Mustaine since there have been a lot of post about socialism, capitalism and so on. For someone that tried to go into politics with the democrats, claimed to be a liberal and supported (with infantile understanding) anarchy back in the day, it is "refreshing" to see that he has turned to right wing politics. Way to stand up for your beliefs Dave. I still like Megadeth but I can't stand Mustaine anymore.
I'll just say something about Mustaine since there have been a lot of post about socialism, capitalism and so on. For someone that tried to go into politics with the democrats, claimed to be a liberal and supported (with infantile understanding) anarchy back in the day, it is "refreshing" to see that he has turned to right wing politics. Way to stand up for your beliefs Dave. I still like Megadeth but I can't stand Mustaine anymore.
So true.. do they still play anarchy live? that would be funny
I'm not reading this whole long thread, but just to get my 2 cents in, there's a difference between socialism and communism dave. And in addition, theoretical communism is GOOD! The reason it has failed in the nations which have attempted it thus far is because they have been dictatorships which stripped the people's rights. In true communism, it remains the people's power all the way through *cough cough we're a democracy* so until out goverment takes away our bill of rights, stop bitching
So my first post to this forum is political, who woulda thunk. Mr Mustaine does not know what he's talking about. He has settled into a right wing senility. Care less and and ignore the ridiculous interview with this ill informed musician who needs to woodshed some history. Especially about the conservative's fevered fantasies of reality.
Dave is EXACTLY right. Notice how as people mature, they give up the dumbass left-wing ideology. It happened to me, You grow older, you grow wiser and see the world for what it IS. Not what you wish it to be.
xstatic44 wrote: The people described are precisely the reason why socialism will never work.
Well then, it's a good thing our government has not taken a single step towards Socialism since inception. We've been a solid Capitalist state through and through. People look at countries over in Europe like Norway and Sweden and scream Socialism, when they're two of the best Capitalist countries in the region. Having good social services has absolutely ZERO to do with Socialism. People are so damn confused what Socialism is, they just wave their arms around like its The Red Scare all over again with Socialism the new scare instead of Communism.
You do realise Capitalist states cans till be socialist?
xstatic44 wrote: The people described are precisely the reason why socialism will never work.
Well then, it's a good thing our government has not taken a single step towards Socialism since inception. We've been a solid Capitalist state through and through. People look at countries over in Europe like Norway and Sweden and scream Socialism, when they're two of the best Capitalist countries in the region. Having good social services has absolutely ZERO to do with Socialism. People are so damn confused what Socialism is, they just wave their arms around like its The Red Scare all over again with Socialism the new scare instead of Communism.
You do realise Capitalist states cans till be socialist?
I suddenly have alot of respect for Dave now. My God ultimate-guitar, this is absolutely disgusting. 75% of these posts make me want to vomit. Obviously most of you don't know your history too well, because it appears America is seriously screwed if any of you have a say in it. Pathetic. Wake up for God's sake.
What's the matter about socialism?
I live in a socialist country (Denmark), and look.. It's the happiest country in the world, with one of the highest incomes per citizen in the world.. Free healthcare, free education (with financial support), Financial support for various things, and free this and that.. For that, I'm gladly paying half my paycheck in taxes!
Seriously, socialism doesn't limit your freedom at all. Google my country abit, and you'll find out that it is one of the countries in the world with the highest rate of freedom.. And oh, yes, we pay extra for everything, but atleast our citizens aren't in need of owning firearms because of a high crime rate, which is caused by not helping the weak.. Which all could be avoided with "socialism"..
You are right! There is a comparable system in The Netherlands (were I live) and in other European countries. Works great.
qrEE Your logic baffles me and you need to restudy your history.
And Dave Mustaine you just earned major respect from me
Sorry, I was really tired. Let me summarize
BS fills both sides of the political spectrum. Totalitarianism is the end result of the extreme ends of the spectrum. The modern day extremism is causing people to push towards the ends of the spectrum, causing people to basically be pushing for totalitarianism, either way. The best economy is laissez faire, but we are NOT in a state where that is a choice. If we lean towards socialism, then we would have a better chance at stabilizing the economy, and then we can be done with it. But this political extremism, considering Socialism as a taboo, an enemy, is going to tear us apart.
Basically, what I'm advocating is that we be socialist at least long enough to get out of the rut, like we did during the Depression, and start with programs to help stabilize the economy. The reason why America is so screwed right now is because people are too stupid and scared to ALLOW for recovery.
... still baffled. Socialism didnt get us out of the deppression dude, increased production in products for the war did... in other words people working and being productive, not spreading wealth around got us out of the hole that the social welfare programs put us in
Social welfare programs were practically non-existent prior to FDR's Presidency and the Great Depression. You're seriously blaming the Great Depression on welfare programs and "spreading the wealth?" You've got to be ****ing kidding me. Economists don't even agree on the root causes of the Great Depression, and they certainly don't blame welfare programs.
It's also important to bear in mind that socialism is a somewhat vague term. It seems to be given to anything between communism and capitalism, so one man's socialist country may be entirely different to another.
Socialism is when the government controls the means of production by nationalizing an industry.
Facism is when the government controls the means of production by controling the individual owners of private industry.
Capitalism is when government does not control the means of production and industries remain private.
Whoa, I just reread this and realised you're wrong, but my previous statement about bollocks still stands.
No Im definately right. I study political science from a historical perspective. I did'nt just visit wikipedia a few times. Though there are different variations of what i said earlier. I was speaking in terms of reality as in what variation of facism or socialism has generally been implemented. Not the utopian variations that have never been achieved.
stoltobot wrote:
damskippy wrote:
According to Karl, socialism is the imperfect first step TOWARDS the "inevitability" of communism. And Dave's been like this for fking decades, if you didn't notice that, you simply weren't paying any attention. The fkr can still shred though.
Who the hell is Karl? The Dad off Family Matters? Every country executes a degree of socialism kid. Yes, even the United States. Ever heard of 'food stamps'? Socialism. Ever heard of 'aid for hurricane Katrina victims'? Socialism. Ever heard of 'tax payer funded bailouts'? Socialism. Ever heard of 'roads, sidewalks and public works'? Yep, you guessed it, socialism. Granted, regarding health care the United States has an extremely low level of socialism compared to most first world countries, but one may attribute this to differences in the political system, differing levels of gullibility among voters, preferences of deference to politicians who claim to be religious or getting messages from God and whatnot. Just because 'Karl' (who? Marx? Jung' The Dad off Family Matters that hates Steve Erkel?) says so just states 'Karl's' opinion. Look around you kid.
uhhh how about Karl Marx? You're going to take part in a discussion about socialism, but you can't even begin imagine who the "Karl" is that he's referencing? Come on now...
Oh yay, a political debate on UG, where we can expect to find a bunch of lowest common denominator archetypes, who have never read a single book on political philosophy, parroting the rhetoric of their respective figureheads, which is exactly what Dave Mustaine just did.
Second, for anyone who wants examples of the "socialism" we're supposedly heading towards, then why don't you try looking at most of Western Europe?
What's the matter about socialism?
I live in a socialist country (Denmark), and look.. It's the happiest country in the world, with one of the highest incomes per citizen in the world.. Free healthcare, free education (with financial support), Financial support for various things, and free this and that.. For that, I'm gladly paying half my paycheck in taxes!
Seriously, socialism doesn't limit your freedom at all. Google my country abit, and you'll find out that it is one of the countries in the world with the highest rate of freedom.. And oh, yes, we pay extra for everything, but atleast our citizens aren't in need of owning firearms because of a high crime rate, which is caused by not helping the weak.. Which all could be avoided with "socialism"..
You are right! There is a comparable system in The Netherlands (were I live) and in other European countries. Works great.
Exactly! Norway, Sweden, Denmark and the Netherlands all feature socialistic systems. Oh and they also belong to the most wealthy countries from around the world with a very high level of education, health care, safety, etc.
I just can't see the problem people have with giving every citizen a fair chance at a life that is right for that person.
To the Europeans socialist: you guys are steadily losing the Sovereignty of your country to the EU. The EU continues to become more tyrannical every year while subsidising just about anything you can think of. The EU imports foreign labor to your country wothout your permision. Taxes are high. Nobody want's to work. Everybody want's a handout. Your fertility rates are extremely low. Muslims are taking over with higher birth rates. Your indenginous population is one sneeze away from being whiped out. Multiculturalism is your top priority while your own culture is slowly dissapearing... You can keep your Socialist utopia nobody wants it here.
Let's remove all socialism from America, Dave. Pull your kid out of public school, don't call the cops if someone busts into your house and steals all of your guitars, don't call the fire department when they burn it down, don't drive on public streets, don't take public transportation, and don't send or receive any mail. Sound good?
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Please do America a HUGE favor, keep flippin burgers and stay far far away from politics. BWAAHAHAHAHAHA
It makes perfect sense. All of those are examples of socialism that we rely on every day. I'll leave it at that unless you have an intelligent response. (You won't.)
Our Public School system sucks, considering all these comments
The cops come like an hour later after you call them, even if there is a gun to your head
The fire department is getting cut, Especially in New York City (where I live) being that it is such a crucial part of our liveleyhood
The public streets are riddled with potholes and cracks and are never fixed properly.
public transportation is very very corrupt and unreliable
along with public sanitation (go into the tri state area and mention the words "slow down")
Just people want the government to stay the hell out of their lives doesn't mean they do not want government at all. It just means that there is a limit on what the government can and can't do. That is in the Constitution. There is no fine line between Socialism and Communism. However, there is a very very fine line between Communism and Fascism. Ironic isn't it?
MidniteHaze wrote:
its still 'We the people'.. right?
Perfectly stated. I absolutely agree. All of those suck because of greed. The school system is held down by bureaucracy (Look at district superintendents who make gross amounts of money to do nothing)and is inefficient in distributing funds. Nothing gets done unless there's money in it for someone. What we have isn't effective and I never said it is, I'm just perplexed why we find socialism to be a bad word. I believe in personal freedoms, and while I hate defining myself by a party, I am a registered libertarian, I just think it is very limiting to regard socialism as a no-no. The problem isn't socialism, its the greed that screws us over from every angle. When you have the top 1% of wage earners making 24% of the total wealth, more than the entire bottom 50% of earners, and nothing is getting done, there's a problem, and the free market is no longer working.
Don't call yourself a libertarian, because you're not. True libertarians believe that an unrestricted free market will balance out our debt and put us back in a surplus.
And another thing, we are not living in a free market economy. We are living in a mixed economy. I guarentee you that if we let an unrestricted free market with almost no government regulation work, the United States would be prosperous again. We need to get rid of bullshit government programs like the FCC and government subsidies to get out of debt. We are throwing our money away. A true libertarian would also believe that people have the ability to make their own choices regarding their lives ie using drugs, hiring a prostitute, gambling, etc.
yes, socialism is just like getting chicken-jacked, well put Mr. Mustaine, I'm glad you are still "avid in following politics, okay... i'm not, but I am glad your healing from your headbanging injuries.
If you guys don't like it can just skip that small little part of the interview.
You can see that he was mentioning that he doesn't want to talk about it and ended the topic before he could.
Just to give you an example of over-regulation. Obama bypassed congress and signed an executive order allowing the EPA to over-regulate the coal industry under the guise of "clean energy". Now we have more black-outs and less coal burning power palnts to keep up with the demand for electricity and it's only getting worse.
As it turns out GE lobbyed in favor of these regulations in order to cut out their competition and guess what? GE is not obligated to abide by these regulations. In fact their profits have sky rocketed and now their building massive quantites of coal plants in Mexico and China. It gets worse...In 1/21/011 Obama picks GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt to run the "New Jobs Focus Pannel"...
Let's remove all socialism from America, Dave. Pull your kid out of public school, don't call the cops if someone busts into your house and steals all of your guitars, don't call the fire department when they burn it down, don't drive on public streets, don't take public transportation, and don't send or receive any mail. Sound good?
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Please do America a HUGE favor, keep flippin burgers and stay far far away from politics. BWAAHAHAHAHAHA
It makes perfect sense. All of those are examples of socialism that we rely on every day. I'll leave it at that unless you have an intelligent response. (You won't.)
Our Public School system sucks, considering all these comments
The cops come like an hour later after you call them, even if there is a gun to your head
The fire department is getting cut, Especially in New York City (where I live) being that it is such a crucial part of our liveleyhood
The public streets are riddled with potholes and cracks and are never fixed properly.
public transportation is very very corrupt and unreliable
along with public sanitation (go into the tri state area and mention the words "slow down")
Just people want the government to stay the hell out of their lives doesn't mean they do not want government at all. It just means that there is a limit on what the government can and can't do. That is in the Constitution. There is no fine line between Socialism and Communism. However, there is a very very fine line between Communism and Fascism. Ironic isn't it?
MidniteHaze wrote:
its still 'We the people'.. right?
Perfectly stated. I absolutely agree. All of those suck because of greed. The school system is held down by bureaucracy (Look at district superintendents who make gross amounts of money to do nothing)and is inefficient in distributing funds. Nothing gets done unless there's money in it for someone. What we have isn't effective and I never said it is, I'm just perplexed why we find socialism to be a bad word. I believe in personal freedoms, and while I hate defining myself by a party, I am a registered libertarian, I just think it is very limiting to regard socialism as a no-no. The problem isn't socialism, its the greed that screws us over from every angle. When you have the top 1% of wage earners making 24% of the total wealth, more than the entire bottom 50% of earners, and nothing is getting done, there's a problem, and the free market is no longer working.
Don't call yourself a libertarian, because you're not. True libertarians believe that an unrestricted free market will balance out our debt and put us back in a surplus.
And another thing, we are not living in a free market economy. We are living in a mixed economy. I guarentee you that if we let an unrestricted free market with almost no government regulation work, the United States would be prosperous again. We need to get rid of bullshit government programs like the FCC and government subsidies to get out of debt. We are throwing our money away. A true libertarian would also believe that people have the ability to make their own choices regarding their lives ie using drugs, hiring a prostitute, gambling, etc.
This. I don't claim to be a libertarian, I am decidedly a Republican, but the fact of the matter is that, seeing as how government and private business have adverse goals - one to spend and another to save - the extensive legal interaction of the two is a recipe for disaster, as has been proven again (Soviet Union) and again (France) and is about to be proven again (United States) unless we quickly divert from this head-on collision. I still find it amazing that the Obama cabinet seek to push another $1 trillion stimulus plan after we have proven twice already that it does nothing and will put us in the hole. Do the math: America has about 305 million people, and the last stimulus bill created 5,000 jobs. How many more $1/2 trillion stimulus bills do you need to give everyone a job if all goes according to plan?
Obama - "If somebody wants to build a coal plant, they can — it’s just that it will bankrupt them, because they are going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted"
By greenhouse gases he means plant food. I wonder what else they will deem a pollutant...
In order for communism to work everybody has to pull their own weight, put in equal effort in the work place and receive equal copmensation for it. It is just assumed that people will do this on their own free will. Look around you, that is just sociologicly impossible. That is why it has never worked.
As for anarchy, people would just assimilate into mini governments and kill each-other over private property and resources.
You're clearly missing the point. Canadas' SOCIALIZED medical program is still one of the best in the world, regardless of what kind of problems it has, it pales in comparison to the mess of a system the American one was.
I love my country and our government, it takes good care of us, regardless of the obligatory bitching everyone does.
*facepalm* as you said before please try to be less ignorant. I am not saying that ours is better, but the one you love so dearly has some pretty bad flaws.
People, it doesn't matter if Mustaine screwed up with what he said or not.
The fact is, there are a bunch of rich families and banks raping our entire society. All the politicians are bought and sold and the system doesn't work anymore because it's run by crooks. Unless we the people take the power that is ours and unite to take on this evil the world will always have war, genocides, hatred, dumbed down societies etc.
Call me whatever you want for my views, but the society in which we live mainly consists of brainwashed idiots... dumbed down by mass media.
Most girls from 12-17 dress like prostitutes and most boys/men are just completely sex driven now. Then again, how can you be surprised when parents let their kids watch Jersey Shore and all that garbage.
Our society has fallen too low, and we will soon see why these media distractions were terrible for us when we could have stopped it at any time. There will come a time where it will be far too late.
best comment i've seen on here so far. I'm 15 and i'm completely ashamed of the majority of my generation. they care more about whose junk snooki was on than who is running our government. they're all blissfully ignorant and they will let the rich bastards screw us over and pull the wool over all our eyes.
People, it doesn't matter if Mustaine screwed up with what he said or not.
The fact is, there are a bunch of rich families and banks raping our entire society. All the politicians are bought and sold and the system doesn't work anymore because it's run by crooks. Unless we the people take the power that is ours and unite to take on this evil the world will always have war, genocides, hatred, dumbed down societies etc.
Call me whatever you want for my views, but the society in which we live mainly consists of brainwashed idiots... dumbed down by mass media.
Most girls from 12-17 dress like prostitutes and most boys/men are just completely sex driven now. Then again, how can you be surprised when parents let their kids watch Jersey Shore and all that garbage.
Our society has fallen too low, and we will soon see why these media distractions were terrible for us when we could have stopped it at any time. There will come a time where it will be far too late.
best comment i've seen on here so far. I'm 15 and i'm completely ashamed of the majority of my generation. they care more about whose junk snooki was on than who is running our government. they're all blissfully ignorant and they will let the rich bastards screw us over and pull the wool over all our eyes.
Go to prisonpalnet.com listen to Alex Jones and read some of the articles. I think you may find it interesting. The left/right paradigm is a trap created by the ruling class so that they can divide and conquer us. Just consider the evidence and draw your own conclusion.
You're clearly missing the point. Canadas' SOCIALIZED medical program is still one of the best in the world, regardless of what kind of problems it has, it pales in comparison to the mess of a system the American one was.
I love my country and our government, it takes good care of us, regardless of the obligatory bitching everyone does.
*facepalm* as you said before please try to be less ignorant. I am not saying that ours is better, but the one you love so dearly has some pretty bad flaws.
*facepalm* lol, If you read, I am clearly aware of my countries' problems. But I did say that our somewhat socialist governing does a better job than whats happening in the states, I don't see why so many ignorant Americans are upset about the idea, the impression that I get is they wanna have their cake and eat it too, as the expression goes.
Can you really blame their president for their problems? Hes inherited the biggest clusterf*ck since the mess left from WW2, I think he should win medals just for having the balls to take the job in the first place.
You're clearly missing the point. Canadas' SOCIALIZED medical program is still one of the best in the world, regardless of what kind of problems it has, it pales in comparison to the mess of a system the American one was.
I love my country and our government, it takes good care of us, regardless of the obligatory bitching everyone does.
*facepalm* as you said before please try to be less ignorant. I am not saying that ours is better, but the one you love so dearly has some pretty bad flaws.
*facepalm* lol, If you read, I am clearly aware of my countries' problems. But I did say that our somewhat socialist governing does a better job than whats happening in the states, I don't see why so many ignorant Americans are upset about the idea, the impression that I get is they wanna have their cake and eat it too, as the expression goes.
Can you really blame their president for their problems? Hes inherited the biggest clusterf*ck since the mess left from WW2, I think he should win medals just for having the balls to take the job in the first place.
Just so you know.. as an American, I would like to give you our opinion.
I want the government not to control my life. When it comes to my health, I can buy health insurance or pay out of pocket. Your health is your responsibility not everyone in the friggen country's. And that is likewise
how everyone should feel about me. I can take care of myself thanks. Do not tell me where to go, or what to do. How I should act or what I should say. The End.
Most Government Institutions SUCK and the worlds economies would be a lot better if these institutions were privatized, and people were given a choice.
and
REALLY ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO SAY WE STARTED PROBLEMS WITH WWII. I didn't see ****ing CANADA save all of eastern Europe from NAZI GERMANY
You're clearly missing the point. Canadas' SOCIALIZED medical program is still one of the best in the world, regardless of what kind of problems it has, it pales in comparison to the mess of a system the American one was.
I love my country and our government, it takes good care of us, regardless of the obligatory bitching everyone does.
*facepalm* as you said before please try to be less ignorant. I am not saying that ours is better, but the one you love so dearly has some pretty bad flaws.
*facepalm* lol, If you read, I am clearly aware of my countries' problems. But I did say that our somewhat socialist governing does a better job than whats happening in the states, I don't see why so many ignorant Americans are upset about the idea, the impression that I get is they wanna have their cake and eat it too, as the expression goes.
Can you really blame their president for their problems? Hes inherited the biggest clusterf*ck since the mess left from WW2, I think he should win medals just for having the balls to take the job in the first place.
Just so you know.. as an American, I would like to give you our opinion.
I want the government not to control my life. When it comes to my health, I can buy health insurance or pay out of pocket. Your health is your responsibility not everyone in the friggen country's. And that is likewise
how everyone should feel about me. I can take care of myself thanks. Do not tell me where to go, or what to do. How I should act or what I should say. The End.
Most Government Institutions SUCK and the worlds economies would be a lot better if these institutions were privatized, and people were given a choice.
and
REALLY ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO SAY WE STARTED PROBLEMS WITH WWII. I didn't see ****ing CANADA save all of eastern Europe from NAZI GERMANY
Is this a troll?? For your information, you ignorant selfish little man, the russians took over eastern europe from nazi germany and made it part of the country that you americans have feared for such a long time. America did help a great deal in freeing Western Europe (which is France, Belgium, The Netherlands and West-Germany)
You're clearly missing the point. Canadas' SOCIALIZED medical program is still one of the best in the world, regardless of what kind of problems it has, it pales in comparison to the mess of a system the American one was.
I love my country and our government, it takes good care of us, regardless of the obligatory bitching everyone does.
*facepalm* as you said before please try to be less ignorant. I am not saying that ours is better, but the one you love so dearly has some pretty bad flaws.
*facepalm* lol, If you read, I am clearly aware of my countries' problems. But I did say that our somewhat socialist governing does a better job than whats happening in the states, I don't see why so many ignorant Americans are upset about the idea, the impression that I get is they wanna have their cake and eat it too, as the expression goes.
Can you really blame their president for their problems? Hes inherited the biggest clusterf*ck since the mess left from WW2, I think he should win medals just for having the balls to take the job in the first place.
Just so you know.. as an American, I would like to give you our opinion.
I want the government not to control my life. When it comes to my health, I can buy health insurance or pay out of pocket. Your health is your responsibility not everyone in the friggen country's. And that is likewise
how everyone should feel about me. I can take care of myself thanks. Do not tell me where to go, or what to do. How I should act or what I should say. The End.
Most Government Institutions SUCK and the worlds economies would be a lot better if these institutions were privatized, and people were given a choice.
and
REALLY ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO SAY WE STARTED PROBLEMS WITH WWII. I didn't see ****ing CANADA save all of eastern Europe from NAZI GERMANY
Trolls make America look bad. Clearly this person cannot read. +1 btw
Its funny to see people calling Dave ignorant. He said nothing that was ignorant. Here are the dictionary definitions of Socialism:
a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. (hence the "chicken belongs to everyone" statement. He is correct)
(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles. (Him referencing Socialism as being kin to Communism. He is correct)
The people on here who bend over and take their orders from the party that embraces socialism hear only the parts of socialism that allow for them to get something for free or for little work. The current Generation of liberals and Democrats are bred and indoctrinated to be "wanting". To desire and be covetous of the people who have. And then they are told that if they want to get what the "haves" have while still being lazy...they just vote for said embrassing party. Simple. Dave is not ignorant. He just doesnt listen to what he is told to listen to, or believe what he is told to believe.
ok, that's when you realize that the guy is just plain ignorant, please, just talk about guitars Dave...
And I thought he was supposed to have been be saved by god or something from his drug habits ? I might be dumb, but Jesus was all about sharing, forgiving and loving... When you think about it, how can you be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time...mmmm?
Because Jesus wanted us to give from our hearts, BY OURSELVES. He didn't want a government body to do it for us, because at that point it isn't actually giving, is it?
People, it doesn't matter if Mustaine screwed up with what he said or not.
The fact is, there are a bunch of rich families and banks raping our entire society. All the politicians are bought and sold and the system doesn't work anymore because it's run by crooks. Unless we the people take the power that is ours and unite to take on this evil the world will always have war, genocides, hatred, dumbed down societies etc.
Call me whatever you want for my views, but the society in which we live mainly consists of brainwashed idiots... dumbed down by mass media.
Most girls from 12-17 dress like prostitutes and most boys/men are just completely sex driven now. Then again, how can you be surprised when parents let their kids watch Jersey Shore and all that garbage.
Our society has fallen too low, and we will soon see why these media distractions were terrible for us when we could have stopped it at any time. There will come a time where it will be far too late.
best comment i've seen on here so far. I'm 15 and i'm completely ashamed of the majority of my generation. they care more about whose junk snooki was on than who is running our government. they're all blissfully ignorant and they will let the rich bastards screw us over and pull the wool over all our eyes.
Go to prisonpalnet.com listen to Alex Jones and read some of the articles. I think you may find it interesting. The left/right paradigm is a trap created by the ruling class so that they can divide and conquer us. Just consider the evidence and draw your own conclusion.
Alex Jones is a fear monger, there are better places to find "underground" media coverage
RockInPeaceDime wrote:
gmoney2748 wrote:
qrEE wrote:
gmoney2748 wrote:
qrEE Your logic baffles me and you need to restudy your history.
And Dave Mustaine you just earned major respect from me
Sorry, I was really tired. Let me summarize
BS fills both sides of the political spectrum. Totalitarianism is the end result of the extreme ends of the spectrum. The modern day extremism is causing people to push towards the ends of the spectrum, causing people to basically be pushing for totalitarianism, either way. The best economy is laissez faire, but we are NOT in a state where that is a choice. If we lean towards socialism, then we would have a better chance at stabilizing the economy, and then we can be done with it. But this political extremism, considering Socialism as a taboo, an enemy, is going to tear us apart.
Basically, what I'm advocating is that we be socialist at least long enough to get out of the rut, like we did during the Depression, and start with programs to help stabilize the economy. The reason why America is so screwed right now is because people are too stupid and scared to ALLOW for recovery.
... still baffled. Socialism didnt get us out of the deppression dude, increased production in products for the war did... in other words people working and being productive, not spreading wealth around got us out of the hole that the social welfare programs put us in
Social welfare programs were practically non-existent prior to FDR's Presidency and the Great Depression. You're seriously blaming the Great Depression on welfare programs and "spreading the wealth?" You've got to be ****ing kidding me. Economists don't even agree on the root causes of the Great Depression, and they certainly don't blame welfare programs.
I think ending alcohol prohibition was one of the main enders (along with ditching the gold standard) of the great depression. too bad there isn't some kind of substance (equally or less harmful than alcohol) that could be legalized to create a little domestic growth...
People, it doesn't matter if Mustaine screwed up with what he said or not.
The fact is, there are a bunch of rich families and banks raping our entire society. All the politicians are bought and sold and the system doesn't work anymore because it's run by crooks. Unless we the people take the power that is ours and unite to take on this evil the world will always have war, genocides, hatred, dumbed down societies etc.
Call me whatever you want for my views, but the society in which we live mainly consists of brainwashed idiots... dumbed down by mass media.
Most girls from 12-17 dress like prostitutes and most boys/men are just completely sex driven now. Then again, how can you be surprised when parents let their kids watch Jersey Shore and all that garbage.
Our society has fallen too low, and we will soon see why these media distractions were terrible for us when we could have stopped it at any time. There will come a time where it will be far too late.
best comment i've seen on here so far. I'm 15 and i'm completely ashamed of the majority of my generation. they care more about whose junk snooki was on than who is running our government. they're all blissfully ignorant and they will let the rich bastards screw us over and pull the wool over all our eyes.
Go to prisonpalnet.com listen to Alex Jones and read some of the articles. I think you may find it interesting. The left/right paradigm is a trap created by the ruling class so that they can divide and conquer us. Just consider the evidence and draw your own conclusion.Alex Jones is a fear monger, there are better places to find "underground" media coverageRockInPeaceDime wrote:
gmoney2748 wrote:
qrEE wrote:
gmoney2748 wrote:
qrEE Your logic baffles me and you need to restudy your history.
And Dave Mustaine you just earned major respect from me
Sorry, I was really tired. Let me summarize
BS fills both sides of the political spectrum. Totalitarianism is the end result of the extreme ends of the spectrum. The modern day extremism is causing people to push towards the ends of the spectrum, causing people to basically be pushing for totalitarianism, either way. The best economy is laissez faire, but we are NOT in a state where that is a choice. If we lean towards socialism, then we would have a better chance at stabilizing the economy, and then we can be done with it. But this political extremism, considering Socialism as a taboo, an enemy, is going to tear us apart.
Basically, what I'm advocating is that we be socialist at least long enough to get out of the rut, like we did during the Depression, and start with programs to help stabilize the economy. The reason why America is so screwed right now is because people are too stupid and scared to ALLOW for recovery.
... still baffled. Socialism didnt get us out of the deppression dude, increased production in products for the war did... in other words people working and being productive, not spreading wealth around got us out of the hole that the social welfare programs put us in
Social welfare programs were practically non-existent prior to FDR's Presidency and the Great Depression. You're seriously blaming the Great Depression on welfare programs and "spreading the wealth?" You've got to be ****ing kidding me. Economists don't even agree on the root causes of the Great Depression, and they certainly don't blame welfare programs.I think ending alcohol prohibition was one of the main enders (along with ditching the gold standard) of the great depression. too bad there isn't some kind of substance (equally or less harmful than alcohol) that could be legalized to create a little domestic growth...
i think people are pretty sure that buying stocks with borrowed money is what caused the depression after people took back a few stocks others followed and caused pannic.. soo.. everybody having other peoples money caused the depression. mustaine is right.
Power will corrupt ppl, it doesn't matter if comunism or socialism or any other political movement promised equality of chances for everyone or any benefits, when the guys get the power they'll see their hands full, will send al promises to toilet and will save their own asses
gmoney2748 wrote:
... still baffled. Socialism didnt get us out of the deppression dude, increased production in products for the war did... in other words people working and being productive, not spreading wealth around got us out of the hole that the social welfare programs put us in
WHAT? Social welfare programs were the main reason the depression got healed. It wasn't fully recovered until post WW2, but the social welfare programs were what got the snow ball rolling. There was a tiny point where the New Deal wasn't effective, but FDR really did a LOT for us.
What saved us the first time, was not only WW2, but also FDR's many programs. ACTION is what saved us.
But the extreme politics of today, are forcing us to NOT take action, for fear of dissent from the other side. That's a major point of mine, is that we need to lean towards socialism for the time being, because the alternative, what we are doing now (not taking any action, but constantly blaming people FOR TAKING action) is NOT working.
mindbender747 wrote:
Because Jesus wanted us to give from our hearts, BY OURSELVES. He didn't want a government body to do it for us, because at that point it isn't actually giving, is it?
So Jesus didn't care about people being better off, he just cared about people being generous?
gmoney2748 wrote:
... still baffled. Socialism didnt get us out of the deppression dude, increased production in products for the war did... in other words people working and being productive, not spreading wealth around got us out of the hole that the social welfare programs put us in
WHAT? Social welfare programs were the main reason the depression got healed. It wasn't fully recovered until post WW2, but the social welfare programs were what got the snow ball rolling. There was a tiny point where the New Deal wasn't effective, but FDR really did a LOT for us.
What saved us the first time, was not only WW2, but also FDR's many programs. ACTION is what saved us.
But the extreme politics of today, are forcing us to NOT take action, for fear of dissent from the other side. That's a major point of mine, is that we need to lean towards socialism for the time being, because the alternative, what we are doing now (not taking any action, but constantly blaming people FOR TAKING action) is NOT working.
The New Deal actually prolonged the depression for several years. FDR had critized hoover heavily for his Keynesian economic policies and campaigned on a free market platform only to end up no different than his predecessor as soon as he entered office. By 1938 most of his relief programs were shut-down by congress. So it does'nt make any sense to credit the new deal for getting us out of the depression.
Alex Jones is a fear monger, there are better places to find "underground" media coverage
I used to think that aswell. However, everything he says can be confirmed with expert testimony and documentation. People said the same thing about Ron Paul for critisizing the Federal Reserve.
I am pro-God, Pro-life, pro-Gun, Pro-america. that obviously makes me anti-obama. it was a perfect strom with how bad bush did that even allowed him to be president and he has done nothing but ram a healthcare bill we did not want by gangster means.
Once we had Ronald Regan, Johhny Cash, and Bob Hope. Now we have Barak Hussein Obama, No case and all hope is gone.
gmoney2748 wrote:
... still baffled. Socialism didnt get us out of the deppression dude, increased production in products for the war did... in other words people working and being productive, not spreading wealth around got us out of the hole that the social welfare programs put us in
WHAT? Social welfare programs were the main reason the depression got healed. It wasn't fully recovered until post WW2, but the social welfare programs were what got the snow ball rolling. There was a tiny point where the New Deal wasn't effective, but FDR really did a LOT for us.
What saved us the first time, was not only WW2, but also FDR's many programs. ACTION is what saved us.
But the extreme politics of today, are forcing us to NOT take action, for fear of dissent from the other side. That's a major point of mine, is that we need to lean towards socialism for the time being, because the alternative, what we are doing now (not taking any action, but constantly blaming people FOR TAKING action) is NOT working.
The New Deal actually prolonged the depression for several years. FDR had critized hoover heavily for his Keynesian economic policies and campaigned on a free market platform only to end up no different than his predecessor as soon as he entered office. By 1938 most of his relief programs were shut-down by congress. So it does'nt make any sense to credit the new deal for getting us out of the depression.
thank you MaddogX!!!.. for actually knowing your history
jtbull :
I am pro-God, Pro-life, pro-Gun, Pro-america. that obviously makes me anti-obama. it was a perfect strom with how bad bush did that even allowed him to be president and he has done nothing but ram a healthcare bill we did not want by gangster means.
Once we had Ronald Regan, Johhny Cash, and Bob Hope. Now we have Barak Hussein Obama, No case and all hope is gone.
I wanted the Health care Bill... Just saying. Wouldn't God want us to take care of one another? Wouldn't it be nice if the unwanted babies of your Pro-Life pov had health care? Wait, we only care until you're born then you're on your own... I almost forgot, my bad.
Wow. As a fellow musician, I have never so many ignorant people on one forum. Though we may not be heading toward socialism, but the dawn of totalitarianism is on it's way, and all of you are to blind to see that Obama is not even running the show. Pitiful.
Also, end Federalism. The states need more power than the Fed does.
for the F***ing win! couldn't have said it better, them telling me i have to pay for health care, either private or public is nonsense and so very wrong. what if comes down to " my family needs food but the government says i have to buy health insurance" what are you going do, next they're gonna be telling us we have to buy GM cars....
Finally a musician in a genre other than country music standing up for their political views rather than just going along with what everyone else is saying!
ok, that's when you realize that the guy is just plain ignorant, please, just talk about guitars Dave...
And I thought he was supposed to have been be saved by god or something from his drug habits ? I might be dumb, but Jesus was all about sharing, forgiving and loving... When you think about it, how can you be a capitalist and a Christian at the same time...mmmm?
Ok I don't mean any disrespect here but I don't think you can call Dave ignorant,clearly you don't understand the principal of capitalism, it is entirely feasible to be both a Christian and a capitalist, I hate this misconception that capitalism breeds greed and corruption so does socialism and the U.S.S.R is the perfect example. Can anybody give an example of a pure Marxist communist country without corruption? No because the world has never seen true communism, and any country which has attempted to implement "communism" has ended in corruption greed and totalitarianism. Capitalism works when there is no exploitation and enhances the principal of democracy certainly economically, we have free markets, I am not saying that socialism is not democratic in its theoretical utopian sense, yes it is but only theoretically because more often than not due to the personal despotism of political leaders it is an unpractical ideology and that is based on evident proof when you study socialism/communism around the world.
You made that too easy to understand now they'll never understand lol
who gives a shit about all this? Gary Moore Died..
For real.
Political arguments lead absolutely nowhere. Give it up people.
To the contrary. If people argued over politics more often maybe they would be more politicaly aware of what our government is doing to us. Then maybe we would'nt be in an economic crap hole. Or you could just assume that your daddy government is here to take care of you and has your best interest in mind. If so then go back to being a media zombie and argue over foot-ball and the jersey housewives instead.
F is for Fighting
R is for Red
Ancestors blood, in battles they've shed
E we elect them
E we eject them
In the land of the free and the home of brave
D for Dying
O your Overture
M they will cover your grave with manure.
This spells out Freedom, it means nothing to me, As long as there's a USSRA!
He makes a good point. Impeaching a guy for getting his di*k sucked is rather pointless. In fact, I think we should have more T-shirts with white stains that shirts with Obama's face on them. For those who didn't catch, Obama = C*m stain.
F is for Fighting
R is for Red
Ancestors blood, in battles they've shed
E we elect them
E we eject them
In the land of the free and the home of brave
D for Dying
O your Overture
M they will cover your grave with manure.
This spells out Freedom, it means nothing to me, As long as there's a USSRA!
Let's remove all socialism from America, Dave. Pull your kid out of public school, don't call the cops if someone busts into your house and steals all of your guitars, don't call the fire department when they burn it down, don't drive on public streets, don't take public transportation, and don't send or receive any mail. Sound good?
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Please do America a HUGE favor, keep flippin burgers and stay far far away from politics. BWAAHAHAHAHAHA
It makes perfect sense. All of those are examples of socialism that we rely on every day. I'll leave it at that unless you have an intelligent response. (You won't.)
Our Public School system sucks, considering all these comments
The cops come like an hour later after you call them, even if there is a gun to your head
The fire department is getting cut, Especially in New York City (where I live) being that it is such a crucial part of our liveleyhood
The public streets are riddled with potholes and cracks and are never fixed properly.
public transportation is very very corrupt and unreliable
along with public sanitation (go into the tri state area and mention the words "slow down")
Just people want the government to stay the hell out of their lives doesn't mean they do not want government at all. It just means that there is a limit on what the government can and can't do. That is in the Constitution. There is no fine line between Socialism and Communism. However, there is a very very fine line between Communism and Fascism. Ironic isn't it?
MidniteHaze wrote:
its still 'We the people'.. right?
Perfectly stated. I absolutely agree. All of those suck because of greed. The school system is held down by bureaucracy (Look at district superintendents who make gross amounts of money to do nothing)and is inefficient in distributing funds. Nothing gets done unless there's money in it for someone. What we have isn't effective and I never said it is, I'm just perplexed why we find socialism to be a bad word. I believe in personal freedoms, and while I hate defining myself by a party, I am a registered libertarian, I just think it is very limiting to regard socialism as a no-no. The problem isn't socialism, its the greed that screws us over from every angle. When you have the top 1% of wage earners making 24% of the total wealth, more than the entire bottom 50% of earners, and nothing is getting done, there's a problem, and the free market is no longer working.
Don't call yourself a libertarian, because you're not. True libertarians believe that an unrestricted free market will balance out our debt and put us back in a surplus.
And another thing, we are not living in a free market economy. We are living in a mixed economy. I guarentee you that if we let an unrestricted free market with almost no government regulation work, the United States would be prosperous again. We need to get rid of bullshit government programs like the FCC and government subsidies to get out of debt. We are throwing our money away. A true libertarian would also believe that people have the ability to make their own choices regarding their lives ie using drugs, hiring a prostitute, gambling, etc.
I never said I didn't believe in an unrestricted free market. My only point is that I don't see why the idea of socialism can't be discussed. I'm actually a fan of countries like Norway and Sweden, they've done it right as far as I can see. But in America, now, what we need is to peel back all of the wasteful spending and shrink the government until we have everything sorted out. Because like I said, its not working.
I am pro-God, Pro-life, pro-Gun, Pro-america. that obviously makes me anti-obama. it was a perfect strom with how bad bush did that even allowed him to be president and he has done nothing but ram a healthcare bill we did not want by gangster means.
Once we had Ronald Regan, Johhny Cash, and Bob Hope. Now we have Barak Hussein Obama, No case and all hope is gone.
This is proof of why America is struggling.
One of Reagon's top financial advisors even admitted the Reagonomics aren't working.
I talk of freedom.
You talk of the flag.
I talk of revolution.
You'd much rather brag.
And as the decibels of this disenchanting discourse
continue to dampen the day.
The coin flips again and again, and again, and again
as our sanity walks away.
All this discussion though politically correct
is dead beyond destruction.
Though it leaves me quite erect.
And as the final sunset rolls behind the earth
and the clock is finally dead.
I'll look at you, you'll look at me and we'll cry a lot.
But this will be what we said.
This will be what we said.
Hahahahaha 507 comments and not one of them is worth reading. (508 not worth reading now!)
As if it weren't already, almost offensively, blatant that UG just loves to watch its users get into froth-mouthed arguments and childish flame-fests they have to off and inject politics into things in this day and age of strict division among the two parties. Articles like these really bring out the winners.
So uh, yeah I really like his music and all but what he says here is retarded. "It looks like we're sprinting down the path to socialism and I don't want to be socialist, I want to keep living in a free America"
You dumb shit, some socialism is exactly what America needs right now to even out the absolutely shit ****ed economical situation.
Hahahahaha 507 comments and not one of them is worth reading. (508 not worth reading now!)
As if it weren't already, almost offensively, blatant that UG just loves to watch its users get into froth-mouthed arguments and childish flame-fests they have to off and inject politics into things in this day and age of strict division among the two parties. Articles like these really bring out the winners.
^ The winners who have no clue how countries are run :p
WOW I just cant believe how STUPID people are. But its mostly the "kids" on here who haven't left their mothers teet yet. DENMARK? BWAAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Denmark’s population consists of no more than two guys named Bjorn for crying out loud! Yet people are so ready to use it as a general example with comparisons to the U.S. Thought Experiment: Let’s just try Denmark’s policies in the U.S. and see how it all works out… will it work out the same way? Denmark is a tiny country with a homogeneous society, which has been settled in the same place for many generations. It’s of a specific European culture and ethnicity, and has a uniform mindset with strong collectivist tendencies that look down upon extraordinary success. Now, I can’t possibly imagine why similar collectivist welfare policies won’t work the same in the U.S.?
The United States, in contrast to Denmark, is a huge country with an extremely diverse population. It has very large population segments originating from very poor 3rd world countries, and a much more individualistic mindset. Therefore, any socialist program implemented in the U.S. has a much greater potential of becoming an unsustainable burden on (the productive part of) society
Comparing Denmark to the U.S. is essentially equivalent to cherry-picking the best working tiny part of European socialism and facing it off with the whole U.S. This is like taking stats for just American Jews, for example, and comparing those to stats of Europe as a whole. Who do you think is going to come out ahead?
Is Denmark really that successful? Despite its clear cultural advantages over the U.S. (from the perspective of making socialist policies work), and its “cherry picked” tiny size, it’s far from being a clear winner in standard of living and economics… to say the least!
The arguably most successful part of European socialism isn’t as great as many make it out to be.
Here are some stats:
The average (2007) full time wage in Denmark is $39,143. In the U.S. it’s $49,483. 26% more. It is also true that in the U.S. the average worker works 25% more hours than in Denmark.
So one may argue that most of the increase in earnings is due to more work and hence less free time. However, it’s also indicative of greater opportunity for full employment or more work if one should choose to. And furthermore, the total household income in the U.S. is more than that of Denmark’s over and above the 25% increase in working hours…The average (2004) household income in Denmark is $22,524. In the U.S. it’s $32,195. 43% more.
In Denmark people receive more services and assistance from the government than they do in the U.S., however, they also pay WAY more taxes, and material things are WAY more expensive.
The income tax in Denmark goes up to 63%, the highest rate in the world. (Source: Wikipedia) And don’t think that it’s only a few rich people who pay that tax rate. The highest tax bracket in Denmark starts at 347,200 DKK (2009), which is about $66,000 per year.
Denmark has a value added tax (a.k.a VAT, which is similar to sales tax) of 25%, again the highest in the world. By comparison, the highest sales tax levied in the U.S. is about 10%. But it doesn’t end there. In addition to the general VAT, citizens are required to part with more of their money for special things the government targets for extra taxation. Cars, for example, are taxed at around a 200% level, making 2/3 of the cost of a car in Denmark go to taxes. This is effectively like paying for a luxury car and getting a compact.
So first the major portion of your income is taken away, and then to add insult to injury, the government makes sure that whatever you can buy with the measly remnants of your money is much more expensive.
So uh, yeah I really like his music and all but what he says here is retarded. "It looks like we're sprinting down the path to socialism and I don't want to be socialist, I want to keep living in a free America"
You dumb shit, some socialism is exactly what America needs right now to even out the absolutely shit ****ed economical situation.
You obviously know nothing when it comes to American policies and politics
We were in 2 world wars and a few smaller wars, a great depression, slavery, and quite a few natural disasters. And each time we faced tragedies we recovered quite well. But NOW we need socialism? HAHAHAHA OK
Take your politics and stick 'em straight up your ass. Democrats, Republicans, it's all there to control you, two sides of the same coin. It's really amazing how f**king blind a lot of people are. War is forced upon us so these politicians running our country with one hand tied to there balls can already line there rich pockets with more power and greed.
jtbull :
I am pro-God, Pro-life, pro-Gun, Pro-america. that obviously makes me anti-obama. it was a perfect strom with how bad bush did that even allowed him to be president and he has done nothing but ram a healthcare bill we did not want by gangster means.
Once we had Ronald Regan, Johhny Cash, and Bob Hope. Now we have Barak Hussein Obama, No case and all hope is gone.
I wanted the Health care Bill... Just saying. Wouldn't God want us to take care of one another? Wouldn't it be nice if the unwanted babies of your Pro-Life pov had health care? Wait, we only care until you're born then you're on your own... I almost forgot, my bad.
this nation was founded on christian beliefs in the first place. the idea of capitolism is to make your own life better, and in the process of buying things, selling things, working, and being a part of society for yourself you ARE helping others. if you buy something for yourself out of greed, with the money you made at your job out of greed and necessity, you are helping others by giving them the money they are working for so that they can make their lives better. its a big circle. now this country has always sat in between capitalism and socialism. we are that way because we are divided and honestly there has never in the history of mankind been a society that was entirely capitalist. but we have evidence of socialism failing time and time again. with that proof it would make sense to try to shy away from the giant government spending and the money they do spend should be spent on american products instead of selling our country to china. socialized medicine? it sounds great but the standards of health care WILL fall if it is all entirely free. the list of socialisms failures goes on and on and on if you do enough research and apply basic econmics. now im not saying we should be purely capitalist either, but based on what i know i would say we are going towards the wrong economic system. a mix may not be horrible but we've never been able to escape the major interference of the government in the marketplace so we just dont know. if i had to guess id think the system that works best would be more toward the capitalist side.
this nation was not found on christian beliefs non of the fore fathers are christian, this country was built on the belief that all men should have the right to say whatever they want and do whatever they want, we are making our way towards a socialist society, which is not bad, but belief me when i say this... STUDY your HISTORY people take it as you are looking down on the whole world in those time periods and you will come to find america is no different from other melting pot societies in the past THIS COUNTRY is not the first free society of the world and after its decline into the inevitable it certainly wont be the last AS LONG AS the resources are still here and WE STILL need to fulfill the NEED to consume and over populate and bitch and moan about what every other person is doing when you should only look at yourselfs yeah so maybe dave mustaine is an idiot but at least he has formulated his opinion from what he hears and sees and not on the opinion of others only smart people realize they maybe an idiot themselves and dont give a crap about this lets smear the famous guy cause he actually has an opinion THAT THERE IS NOTHING HE CAN DO ABOUT the wheels are already in motion people now you can watch and sit as all your ideologies come crashing down from your living room sofa as you read both sides of this mind **** called america, you like so many others had the chance to fix it but why fix it when the going is getting good and that there my friends is why civilizations collapse Have a GOOD day, and ENJOY IT WHILE IT LASTS, cause here soon opinions are not going to matter. LOL you ready....PEOPLE ARE SICK OF Civilzation AND there is more than you can EVEN Fathom in most of your simple minded egotestical heads
dont get me wrong dave you are a hero of mine saying what you feel but i think socialism is going to be the only way to give a swift kick to the asses of these i pod listening mutants to get something done then maybe one day if america does survive we can all have our ****ing chickens when we want our chickens
bloggin about what dave mustaine thinks ----- BAD IDEA
GOING OUT AND ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING TO YOUR COMMUNity----- so all you ****ing nobles and jesters take your masks off and help some one in need for a change
To all you socialist lovers up there, here's a brief history of some famous socialist and communist leaders:
Ernesto de Che Guevara: Directly responsible for the deaths of 16,000 people
Josef Stalin: His forced famine of the Ukraine in the 1930s killed 30,000,000 people
Mao tze Dung: His so called "Great Leap Forward" in China to attempt to collectivize the farms in his country killed an estimated 70,000,000 people
Adolf Hitler: Leader of the National Socialist German Worker's
To all you socialist lovers up there, here's a brief history of some famous socialist and communist leaders:
Ernesto de Che Guevara: Directly responsible for the deaths of 16,000 people
Josef Stalin: His forced famine of the Ukraine in the 1930s killed 30,000,000 people
Mao tze Dung: His so called "Great Leap Forward" in China to attempt to collectivize the farms in his country killed an estimated 70,000,000 people
Adolf Hitler: Leader of the National Socialist German Worker's Party, whom historians have often said that the difference between Hitler and Stalin's ideologies was the color of their uniforms, and that's about it, is responsible for the deaths of 6,000,000 Jews along with about 12,000,000 others including blacks, immigrants, Gypsies, homosexuals, and anybody else that didn't fit into Hitler's distorted vision of the world.
Pol Pot: His agrarian socialism (look it up) programs led to starvation and malnutrition and, along with his ethnic cleansing, his regime killed an estimated 2,500,000 people
Korean War: The Korean War, a war started by communist aggressors in the People's Republic of China and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, killed an estimated 3,000,000 civillians
Here's a definition of socialism: Socialism is an economic system in which the means of production are publicly or commonly owned and controlled co-operatively, or a political philosophy advocating such a system. A primary goal of socialism is social equality and a distribution of wealth based on one's contribution to society, and an economic arrangement that would serve the interests of society as a whole. As a form of social organization, socialism is based on relatively equal-power relations, self-management and a reduction or elimination of hierarchical forms of management in the economic structure of society.
Here's a definition of communism: Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless and stateless society structured upon common ownership of the means of production, free access to articles of consumption, and the end of wage labour and private property in the means of production and real estate. In Marxist theory, communism is a specific stage of historical development that inevitably emerges from the development of the productive forces that leads to a superabundance of material wealth, allowing for distribution based on need and social relations based on freely-associated individuals. The exact definition of communism varies, and it is often mistakenly, in general political discourse, used interchangeably with socialism; however, Marxist theory contends that socialism is just a transitional stage on the road to communism. Leninists revised this theory by introducing the notion of a vanguard party to lead the proletarian revolution and to hold all political power after the revolution, 'in the name of the workers' and supposedly with worker participation, in a transitional stage between capitalism and socialism.
The facts are there, you can double and triple check what I've posted, but it won't change a thing. Communists and Socialists have the same goals, and communist and socialist governments have all wound up the same way: Cruel dictatorships. I for one will not stand for a socialist regime in America. I would rather die then live in a socialist or communist dictatorship. Anyone that still thinks Marx had some great ideas, just read The Black Book of Communism it has all the facts I just listed here, and you can take that to the bank. So, if you love freedom and justice, you cannot morally be a communist or a socialist. If you enjoy a river of blood from mass-murderers, and any sort of dissent being punishable by death, then go ahead, vote for Obummer in the next election and prepare for the changes that will come, it won't be pretty. Just look at the Russian Revolution of 1917 and the ensuing civil war, and the Chinese revolution and ensuing civil war.
Anyways, now on subject to the article, Horns up for Dave Mustaine! For once a musician actually has a functioning brain stem and doesn't spew lib-tard b.s like the rest of the mainstream media.
whenever i hear a criticism of the president like dave's -- poorly formed, sticking to the theme that obama is a "socialist" or "unamerican" or somehow the "other," backed up with some numbers made up on the spot, and perhaps most tellingly, insisting that he'd never have been elected "a generation ago" -- i just want to let the person making the complaint that i know they're just uncomfortable having a black guy in the white house, and if they just said it outright, i'd actually respect them more for sharing their opinion honestly and not trying to sound smart.
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