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Dream Theater Will Continue Without Portnoy

artist: dream theater date: 09/10/2010 category: general music news
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Dream Theater Will Continue Without Portnoy

Progressive metal giants Dream Theater have released the following statement regarding the departure of the band's drummer, Mike Portnoy:

"To all of our loyal fans and friends: It is with profound sadness — regret — we announce that Mike Portnoy, our lifelong drummer and friend, has decided to leave Dream Theater.

"Mike's stature in the band has meant the world to all of us professionally, musically, and personally over the years. There is no dispute: Mike has been a major force within this band.

"While it is true that Mike is choosing to pursue other ventures and challenges, we can assure you that Dream Theater will continue to move forward with the same intensity — and in the same musical tradition — that you have all helped make so successful, and which is truly gratifying to us.

"Fans and friends: File this episode under 'Black Clouds and Silver Linings.'

"As planned, we begin recording our newest album in January 2011, and we'll follow that with a full-on world tour.

"'The Spirit Carries On.'

"All of us in Dream Theater wholeheartedly wish Mike the best on his musical journey. We have had a long and meaningful career together. It is our true hope that he finds all he is looking for, and that he achieves the happiness he deserves. He will be missed."

Dream Theater supported Iron Maiden on a North American tour which kicked off on June 9 in Dallas, Texas and concluded on July 20 in Washington, D.C.

Dream Theater's latest album, "Black Clouds & Silver Linings", sold 40,000 copies in the United States in its first week of release to land at position No. 6 on The Billboard 200 chart.

Thanks for the report to Blabbermouth.net.

POSTED: 09/10/2010 - 03:59 am
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comments policy  198  comments posted
     
ernasty10050 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 04:13 am / quote |
well good. there's too much talent in that band to not crank out a few more amazing albums.
     
Eirien wrote on 09/10/2010 - 04:28 am / quote |
Maybe this will be refreshing to a Dream Theater whose sound has become fairly stale over the past decade with only a few moments of brilliance. I'm glad they're planning to start making the new album in January and look forward to hearing what they come up with, but its ambitious to think they'll find a replacement for Portnoy before then.
     
arcwarrior wrote on 09/10/2010 - 05:02 am / quote |
Spirit Carries On. i hope mike would be back again soon
     
abel1389 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 05:32 am / quote |
this reads a little like : "Good luck, Mike. Don't come back." sadly, they'll probably flop. i'd hate to see the schism in their fanbase just because of this.
     
zarreph wrote on 09/10/2010 - 05:45 am / quote |
At least they have their stories straight, as opposed to Aerosmith whose on-again off-again antics got old after the first iteration.

Mike: "I'm leaving. Wish you all the best."
DT: "Mike's leaving. We wish him the best."

Steven: "I'm gone. Brand Tyler, baby."
Aerosmith: "We'll find another singer."
-----
Steven: "I'm back, and we're bigger than ever!"
Aerosmith: "Us five will rock your cocks off!"
-----
Steven: "Taking this AI gig is just what I need to do."
Aerosmith: *pushes ST off the stage*
-----
Steven+Joe: "Well f*** you then!"

Everybody lives happily ever after?
     
FearOfTheDuck wrote on 09/10/2010 - 07:20 am / quote |
They should give Rick Allen a call then.
     
guitarsolo_17 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 08:00 am / quote |
'But then came the call our lives changed forever more. You can pray for a change but prepare for the end.'
I thought he was writing about his dad. I'm sure Dave DiCenso from JP's Solo stuff of Rod Morgenstein from JR's solo stuff will get the job right? Pray they have Mike back soon.
     
FaLLibaneZ wrote on 09/10/2010 - 08:46 am / quote |
wasn't Mike some kind of the main writer in DT?

well, i am going to listen to the new album as soon as it's done but i hope they don't get any worser without Mike...
     
UnaLaguna wrote on 09/10/2010 - 09:00 am / quote |
FaLLibaneZ wrote:

wasn't Mike some kind of the main writer in DT?

He didn't write anything apart from some lyrics and the drum parts. His main part was acting as a producer and making the songs worse (see A Nightmare to Remember).

His only huge creative contribution was deciding the direction the band would take (a more straightforward metal approach rather than their truly progressive roots), and getting the band to write songs in a particular band's style (e.g. Never Enough, Forsaken).
     
Eirien wrote on 09/10/2010 - 09:24 am / quote |
UnaLaguna wrote:


He didn't write anything apart from some lyrics and the drum parts. His main part was acting as a producer and making the songs worse (see A Nightmare to Remember).


lol, I'm guessing you're talking about the terrible rap bit. You have Petrucci to blame for that. Read this; http://pmx2.krose.org/forum?action=view&forum_id=1&message_i d=334646%29

Dream Theater were never as progressive as they make themselves out to be. They play in a 'prog style' and have always done songs in other bands' styles. They're a self-confessed cross between Rush and Iron Maiden.
     
Comeback Kiddd wrote on 09/10/2010 - 09:59 am / quote |
O no they did-nt!
     
SuicidalFreak wrote on 09/10/2010 - 10:16 am / quote |
It's very sad that Mike is gone. I hope maybe in a few years he'll will come back to DT.
     
malmsteensolo wrote on 09/10/2010 - 12:45 pm / quote |
Thank god. The only reason I listen to dream theater is because of John petrucci.
     
Gyoung1991 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 12:46 pm / quote |
FearOfTheDuck wrote:

They should give Rick Allen a call then.


Glue two Rick Allens together
     
guitargodwannab wrote on 09/10/2010 - 12:46 pm / quote |
well, im so pumped for this record, BCnSL is prolly the best record that ive heard from DT.....so excited for this new record late 2011 early 2012, even if it isnt with Portnoy
     
Unholy.Daemon wrote on 09/10/2010 - 12:52 pm / quote |
it's not Dream Theater anymore then...

imo, Mike's possibly the best drummer alive right now...
     
maximumrocker wrote on 09/10/2010 - 12:58 pm / quote |
guitargodwannab wrote:

well, im so pumped for this record, BCnSL is prolly the best record that ive heard from DT.....so excited for this new record late 2011 early 2012, even if it isnt with Portnoy


Im exicted, but i dont thing BCnSL is there best record but if you enjoy alot props to you
     
MetalIsForever! wrote on 09/10/2010 - 12:58 pm / quote |
I don't think they will be as successful without Mike. I'm not a big Dream Theater fan, but he's one of the best drummers in the world, and im not sure how DT will match that
     
AdamDK wrote on 09/10/2010 - 01:01 pm / quote |
I wonder who they'll replace him with. Imagine if they got Blake Richardson (BTBAM). That guy's great, and I'd love to see him in DT, but I'd hate him to leave BTBAM.
     
98Timberwolf wrote on 09/10/2010 - 01:02 pm / quote |
AdamDK wrote:

I wonder who they'll replace him with. Imagine if they got Blake Richardson (BTBAM). That guy's great, and I'd love to see him in DT, but I'd hate him to leave BTBAM.


Exactly what I was about to say. Good thing I hit refresh before doing so.
     
wayneaj wrote on 09/10/2010 - 01:04 pm / quote |
zarreph wrote:

At least they have their stories straight, as opposed to Aerosmith whose on-again off-again antics got old after the first iteration.

Mike: "I'm leaving. Wish you all the best."
DT: "Mike's leaving. We wish him the best."

Steven: "I'm gone. Brand Tyler, baby."
Aerosmith: "We'll find another singer."
-----
Steven: "I'm back, and we're bigger than ever!"
Aerosmith: "Us five will rock your cocks off!"
-----
Steven: "Taking this AI gig is just what I need to do."
Aerosmith: *pushes ST off the stage*
-----
Steven+Joe: "Well f*** you then!"

Everybody lives happily ever after?

+1
     
LondonGeetarist wrote on 09/10/2010 - 01:14 pm / quote |
zarreph wrote:

At least they have their stories straight, as opposed to Aerosmith whose on-again off-again antics got old after the first iteration.

Mike: "I'm leaving. Wish you all the best."
DT: "Mike's leaving. We wish him the best."

Steven: "I'm gone. Brand Tyler, baby."
Aerosmith: "We'll find another singer."
-----
Steven: "I'm back, and we're bigger than ever!"
Aerosmith: "Us five will rock your cocks off!"
-----
Steven: "Taking this AI gig is just what I need to do."
Aerosmith: *pushes ST off the stage*
-----
Steven+Joe: "Well f*** you then!"

Everybody lives happily ever after?


This exactly.

On a side note... Does this mean Portnoy will keep drumming for A7X?
     
Uber Man wrote on 09/10/2010 - 01:15 pm / quote |
well... who they going to get to replace him? the only one that could is Neil Peart, and he is busy in Rush.
     
lordrcceaser wrote on 09/10/2010 - 01:17 pm / quote |
They need to call Danny Carey up
     
Kameliasz wrote on 09/10/2010 - 01:23 pm / quote |
LondonGeetarist wrote:
On a side note... Does this mean Portnoy will keep drumming for A7X?


Personally, I hope so.
     
Mike_Atherton wrote on 09/10/2010 - 01:24 pm / quote |
Carey was my suggestion, I mean its not like Tool release albums very often, though they are apparently in the works of a new 1 now though
     
scawti wrote on 09/10/2010 - 01:28 pm / quote |
While I love MP in DT, most of the difficulty in drumming their songs is keeping track of all the changes - even MP has admits that. They don't need a techno-wizard, just a solid player who's got perfect timing. The fact that MP ran the show - did all the live set-lists, produced, etc - is where I think they'll miss him the most. They'll probably get some unknown guy as a hired gun - the way half the bands only have "touring bassists" these days.
     
ComeInnerEar wrote on 09/10/2010 - 01:29 pm / quote |
Unholy.Daemon wrote:

it's not Dream Theater anymore then...

imo, Mike's possibly the best drummer alive right now...


After Shannon Lucas.
     
LordErtai wrote on 09/10/2010 - 01:31 pm / quote |
ya like Carey and Myung will work with the rhythm section? They are like opposites, myung plays all this weird harmonic/chord crap, we need a bassist like Mr Chancellor or Geddy to pair with Mr Carey.
     
Perfection 101 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 02:00 pm / quote |
I can't help thinking they'll try to get Joey Jordison as a replacement. Y'know, just so everyone's name begins with a J.

(Ignoring the fact that LaBrie's name is actually Kevin)
     
SmittyMan90 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 02:25 pm / quote |
WTF? Crazy, he'll probably become a full time member of A7X. Disappointing.
     
Squifey wrote on 09/10/2010 - 02:31 pm / quote |
I'd love to see Blake Richardson fill in, but not leave BTBAM.

Because then BTBAM wouldn't be the same.
     
darth awsome wrote on 09/10/2010 - 02:33 pm / quote |
Im kind of glad. Maybe the new drummer will lead to some more inspired writing. Mikes drumming is not as inspired as it once was. I wanna see someone with real creativity be hind the kit for these guys and see what happens.
     
Patriot1zzy wrote on 09/10/2010 - 02:42 pm / quote |
So is the drummer staying with A7X now? IT doesn't mention anything about where the drummer's heading.
     
Hamburglekins wrote on 09/10/2010 - 02:59 pm / quote |
No one has said if Portnoy plans to continue with A7X or not- I honestly couldn't care either way because I don't listen to them.

We'll see how Dream Theater goes on without him, it could either be the refreshing new boost they needed, or a complete train wreck.

^ Also, while I like the idea of Blake Richardson joining (while still being with BtBaM, I don't know if their styles would mesh well, but I'm not sure on that)
     
Gary.Blizzard wrote on 09/10/2010 - 03:10 pm / quote |
I wish both Dream Theater and Portnoy the best of luck. Hopefully they don't waste any talent here. They're all great musicians.
     
Root Beer wrote on 09/10/2010 - 03:12 pm / quote |
zarreph wrote:
Mike: "I'm leaving. Wish you all the best."
DT: "Mike's leaving. We wish him the best."

More like this:

Mike: "I'm f***ing TIRED, hence I'm leaving. I'm somewhat disappointed with the rest of you, but I wish you the best anyway."

DT: "Mike's leaving, we wish him the best. Oh, and buy our new album."
     
kill it wrote on 09/10/2010 - 03:22 pm / quote |
avenged sevenfold must be a funner gig.
     
guitaraddict44 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 03:44 pm / quote |
For those who want to know what Portnoy is doing next...I've read on a site that he is going to be joining Mikael Akerfeldt from Opeth and Steve Wilson from Porcupine Tree to make a record with them!!!
Gonna be KICKASS!!!!
Im still very sad that he left DT though....
     
Hamburglekins wrote on 09/10/2010 - 03:48 pm / quote |
guitaraddict44 wrote:

For those who want to know what Portnoy is doing next...I've read on a site that he is going to be joining Mikael Akerfeldt from Opeth and Steve Wilson from Porcupine Tree to make a record with them!!!
Gonna be KICKASS!!!!
Im still very sad that he left DT though....


That would be pretty much worth MP leaving Dream Theater. That trio would kick so much ass.
     
thePTOD wrote on 09/10/2010 - 04:13 pm / quote |
My high school band teacher is a drummer and he told us about Mike leaving today. I knew this yesterday but my friend and I were the only people out of about 40 others who know Dream Theater. Either way, I'm proud that my band teacher is a potential DT fan. I wish DT and Mike the best.
     
guitaraddict44 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 04:17 pm / quote |
Hamburglekins wrote:

guitaraddict44 wrote:

For those who want to know what Portnoy is doing next...I've read on a site that he is going to be joining Mikael Akerfeldt from Opeth and Steve Wilson from Porcupine Tree to make a record with them!!!
Gonna be KICKASS!!!!
Im still very sad that he left DT though....

That would be pretty much worth MP leaving Dream Theater. That trio would kick so much ass.


I feel bad for the drummer that will have to fill MP's shoes though, because those are MASSIVE shoes to fill. And for the fact that the drummer replacing him will forever be labeled as "Not Mike Portnoy". lol
     
dirtydog250 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 04:32 pm / quote |
They should try and get Gavin Harrison as a replacement. Then do a world tour with Porcupine Tree, and perhaps even King Crimson. Would be the best tour ever.
     
gilbertn923 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 04:32 pm / quote |
guitaraddict44 wrote:

Hamburglekins wrote:

guitaraddict44 wrote:

For those who want to know what Portnoy is doing next...I've read on a site that he is going to be joining Mikael Akerfeldt from Opeth and Steve Wilson from Porcupine Tree to make a record with them!!!
Gonna be KICKASS!!!!
Im still very sad that he left DT though....

That would be pretty much worth MP leaving Dream Theater. That trio would kick so much ass.


I feel bad for the drummer that will have to fill MP's shoes though, because those are MASSIVE shoes to fill. And for the fact that the drummer replacing him will forever be labeled as "Not Mike Portnoy". lol


Not only that but everyone will be hating on the new drummer because he is not Mike. As much as Mike leaving breaks my heart, I'm actually eager to hear what they'll put out on their next album and who the new drummer will be. Whoever the new drummer is better have the attitude, drive, and energy to be able to gain the respect of the DT fans.
     
halfj06 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 05:21 pm / quote |
lordrcceaser wrote:

They need to call Danny Carey up

i hope not, he's to different for them i think.

not that their not talented but maybe with a new member to spice things up they will make an interesting song this decade
     
blackwings1 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 05:25 pm / quote |
How about Symphony X's drummer ? although I don't want him to leave Symphony X, he's one of the few that could fit in. Like said before : those are some MASSIVE shoes to fill.

I'm happy we're gonna get rid of this rap influence though.
     
Reznik00 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 05:51 pm / quote |
he probably left because he finally realized his dream, to play a show with Maiden...either way I wish him the best of luck
     
Axe_Burner wrote on 09/10/2010 - 05:52 pm / quote |
blackwings1 wrote:

How about Symphony X's drummer ? although I don't want him to leave Symphony X, he's one of the few that could fit in. Like said before : those are some MASSIVE shoes to fill.

I'm happy we're gonna get rid of this rap influence though.


Oh I hope not. As talented as he is, and as good of a replacement as he would be, I can't stand the thought of SX breaking up.
     
jfsj123 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 06:03 pm / quote |
they need the awesome white stripes drummer
     
Jtrocks1356 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 06:05 pm / quote |
Mike was great, but here's my thoughts. Everyone here is commenting "oh they should get this drummer from this band; no get this drummer from THIS band" which is all great and everything, but that would mean probably leaving their other bands. I would try to find some unknown drummer or little known drummer who has the skill (not easy to come across of course). That way there's no comparisons between their drumming one band to DT and will probably just all around end better
     
Root Beer wrote on 09/10/2010 - 06:06 pm / quote |
Hamburglekins wrote:

guitaraddict44 wrote:

For those who want to know what Portnoy is doing next...I've read on a site that he is going to be joining Mikael Akerfeldt from Opeth and Steve Wilson from Porcupine Tree to make a record with them!!!
Gonna be KICKASS!!!!
Im still very sad that he left DT though....

That would be pretty much worth MP leaving Dream Theater. That trio would kick so much ass.


Sorry to burst this bubble, but they turned him down at least for the time being.
     
nirvanafan99 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 06:12 pm / quote |
im sorry but i cant listen to dream theater their songs are way to long and they are nothing special
     
Root Beer wrote on 09/10/2010 - 06:12 pm / quote |
jfsj123 wrote:

they need the awesome white stripes drummer


HAHAHAHAHAHA xD
     
bassman434 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 06:14 pm / quote |
Dint travis smith get booted from trivium?

could be a potential replacement

oh and mikes rapping on nightmare to remember was awful!

When Mikael Akerfeldt, did that bit at wembley 2009, les just say, i was relieved :P

but yea, sad times MP leaving, but hopefully the band releases an absolute screamer
     
Root Beer wrote on 09/10/2010 - 06:15 pm / quote |
Sorry for triple posting :P but I had to respond to this:

nirvanafan99 wrote:

im sorry but i cant listen to dream theater their songs are way to long and they are nothing special


Your name is "nirvanafan" and you're saying on a Dream Theater news page that you don't like them because their songs are too long? What's wrong with this picture?
     
Met_Ali_15 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 06:20 pm / quote |
There are many players out there who are "better" than Portnoy, but no one quite as unique as him. He was mainly an autodidact and therefore exhibits this approach to the drums that no one can match in the same way. I think that without him, Dream Theater will not be as successful but will probably produce better, more original music.

I reckon Gavin Harrison should fill in
     
AJSaw wrote on 09/10/2010 - 06:21 pm / quote |
Root Beer wrote:

Sorry for triple posting :P but I had to respond to this:

nirvanafan99 wrote:

im sorry but i cant listen to dream theater their songs are way to long and they are nothing special


Your name is "nirvanafan" and you're saying on a Dream Theater news page that you don't like them because their songs are too long? What's wrong with this picture?

+1. exactly what i was thinking.
     
A7Xfan17 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 06:33 pm / quote |


imo, Mike's possibly the best drummer alive right now...[/quote]

he is the best durmmer now that jimmy's gone
     
UnaLaguna wrote on 09/10/2010 - 06:37 pm / quote |
guitaraddict44 wrote:

For those who want to know what Portnoy is doing next...I've read on a site that he is going to be joining Mikael Akerfeldt from Opeth and Steve Wilson from Porcupine Tree to make a record with them!!!
Gonna be KICKASS!!!!
Im still very sad that he left DT though....

The site you read is out of date... MP is no longer in that project. Just Steve and Mikael.
     
A7Xfan17 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 06:37 pm / quote |
Unholy.Daemon wrote:

it's not Dream Theater anymore then...

imo, Mike's possibly the best drummer alive right now...



Hes only the best drummer since jimmy pasted away but he does ****ing rock the set
     
rechris06 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 06:39 pm / quote |
Kameliasz wrote:

LondonGeetarist wrote:
On a side note... Does this mean Portnoy will keep drumming for A7X?

Personally, I hope so.


+1
     
overkill127 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 07:10 pm / quote |
what the ****, mike, dream theater is so much better than avenged sevenfold. I think he'll be back soon
     
espChris93 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 07:20 pm / quote |
Eirien wrote:

Maybe this will be refreshing to a Dream Theater whose sound has become fairly stale over the past decade with only a few moments of brilliance. I'm glad they're planning to start making the new album in January and look forward to hearing what they come up with, but its ambitious to think they'll find a replacement for Portnoy before then.


I think Portnoy was the only force keeping the band from being completely stale but as a DT fan i hope they put out something great. I hope Petrucci leaves to do something new soon though. He's so good that even making DT albums somewhat restricts his style
     
//babz// wrote on 09/10/2010 - 07:37 pm / quote |
A7Xfan17 wrote:



imo, Mike's possibly the best drummer alive right now...


he is the best durmmer now that jimmy's gone[/quote]


R.I.P the Rev
     
Fire-Fade wrote on 09/10/2010 - 07:50 pm / quote |
They should get that Vadrum guy, the one that has all the youtube vids I reckon he could do it
     
guitaraddict44 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 07:56 pm / quote |
A7Xfan17 wrote:



imo, Mike's possibly the best drummer alive right now...


he is the best durmmer now that jimmy's gone[/quote]

No disrespect to Jimmy at all, he's an amazing drummer but Jimmy was not better than Mike Portnoy. lol
Mike is in a whole other league.
     
legend shredder wrote on 09/10/2010 - 08:10 pm / quote |
overkill127 wrote:

what the ****, mike, dream theater is so much better than avenged sevenfold. I think he'll be back soon


no one said anything about MP leaving for a7x. hes got 2 other projects that he is a part of aswell.

but really if that happened, i wouldnt mind to much, he is the one man that can replace Jimmy.
     
atreyumetallica wrote on 09/10/2010 - 08:13 pm / quote |
A7Xfan17 wrote:



imo, Mike's possibly the best drummer alive right now...


he is the best durmmer now that jimmy's gone


No disrespect to Jimmy at all, he's an amazing drummer but Jimmy was not better than Mike Portnoy. lol
Mike is in a whole other league.
[/quote]

well jimmys drumming is mp inspired so mp is gonna be better even tho the rev was amazing and what made a7x interesting to listen to and i know this doesnt hathto do with anything but y the hell didnt rev get more vocal parts his singing is so much better then m shadows:| he just gets annoying no offense:/
     
Duality Ninja wrote on 09/10/2010 - 08:20 pm / quote |
inb4 Avenged Sevenfold stole Mike. Ohhh wait... Sad to see him go. I actually might just go cry. All of them are a part of Dream Theater, and now... Awww balls.
     
Burgery wrote on 09/10/2010 - 08:23 pm / quote |
I'd love to hear what would happen if they actually teamed up with Meg White.
     
Dakkstar wrote on 09/10/2010 - 08:27 pm / quote |
bzzzzz WRONG!!
lordrcceaser wrote:

They need to call Danny Carey up
     
Dakkstar wrote on 09/10/2010 - 08:42 pm / quote |
A7Xfan17 wrote:

Unholy.Daemon wrote:

it's not Dream Theater anymore then...

imo, Mike's possibly the best drummer alive right now...


Hes only the best drummer since jimmy pasted away but he does ****ing rock the set

nah, we still have Hoglan, Nick Barker, Lombardo.
     
overkill127 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 08:53 pm / quote |
legend shredder wrote:

overkill127 wrote:

what the ****, mike, dream theater is so much better than avenged sevenfold. I think he'll be back soon

no one said anything about MP leaving for a7x. hes got 2 other projects that he is a part of aswell.

but really if that happened, i wouldnt mind to much, he is the one man that can replace Jimmy.

thats just what it seems like to me. Mike has always had side projects, but he hasn't ever left dream theater til now. Don't get me wrong, i love a7x, but i feel like their larger fanbase lured mike away.
     
SwamToTheMoon wrote on 09/10/2010 - 09:04 pm / quote |
If you're measuring drummers on technical skill then guys like Tomas Haake of Meshuggah, Blake Richardson of BTBAM, or Danny Carey of Tool are better drummers over all. Mike is still amazing though and was really one of the first great technique based metal drummers. It's sad to see him leave but it will be interesting to see what happens in the future.
     
Steve08 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 09:24 pm / quote |
Unholy.Daemon wrote:

it's not Dream Theater anymore then...

imo, Mike's possibly the best drummer alive right now...
ROFL

You clearly have no idea what the hell you're talking about...

Setting the record straight, Portnoy is nowhere the best drummer even in metal-- check out Jon Karel, Tomsa Haake, Bobby Jarzombek, Navene Koperweis, Hannes Grossmann, Sean Reinert, Travis Orbin, or Derek Roddy.
     
Steve08 wrote on 09/10/2010 - 09:27 pm / quote |
Also, when the HELL did people start thinking The Rev was anything better than average?

God, sometimes I hate reading the comments on these pages...
     
dale-banez wrote on 09/10/2010 - 09:48 pm / quote |
Steve08 wrote:
ROFL

You clearly have no idea what the hell you're talking about...

Setting the record straight, Portnoy is nowhere the best drummer even in metal-- check out Jon Karel, Tomsa Haake, Bobby Jarzombek, Navene Koperweis, Hannes Grossmann, Sean Reinert, Travis Orbin, or Derek Roddy.


This man speaks the absolute truth.

+ ∞
     
Burgery wrote on 09/10/2010 - 09:50 pm / quote |
Steve08 wrote:Also, when the HELL did people start thinking The Rev was anything better than average?
I approve of this message.
     
Root Beer wrote on 09/10/2010 - 09:52 pm / quote |
Dakkstar wrote:

bzzzzz WRONG!!lordrcceaser wrote:

They need to call Danny Carey up


What's wrong with Danny Carey?
     
Drummerrrrr? wrote on 09/10/2010 - 11:09 pm / quote |
Well it's pretty obvious what has to be done.
Replace Mike with a Mac and + drum machine.
     
Second Rate wrote on 09/10/2010 - 11:15 pm / quote |
espChris93 wrote:

Eirien wrote:

Maybe this will be refreshing to a Dream Theater whose sound has become fairly stale over the past decade with only a few moments of brilliance. I'm glad they're planning to start making the new album in January and look forward to hearing what they come up with, but its ambitious to think they'll find a replacement for Portnoy before then.

I think Portnoy was the only force keeping the band from being completely stale but as a DT fan i hope they put out something great. I hope Petrucci leaves to do something new soon though. He's so good that even making DT albums somewhat restricts his style


Mike Portnoy has been the one making the band stale. He has been the one that is constantly pushing them to write tired, generic "metal" material. Seriously, some of you people are giving Portnoy way too much damn credit. I'm as big a fan of Mike Portnoy as most young drummers with obscene drumkits, but his playing has been stagnant since Train of Thought, his lyrics suck, and his backup vocals are painful. Hopefully they'll pick up someone like a Simon Phillips or Chad Wackerman. That's what DT needs, a technician that isn't a wanker (which is why they would sound like rubbish in the unlikely event that say... Danny Carrey joined the band).
     
tamotots wrote on 09/10/2010 - 11:22 pm / quote |
Well they definitely won't be the same without Portnoy but nevertheless i still expect to hear some good stuff
     
ironBLSmaiden wrote on 09/10/2010 - 11:28 pm / quote |
Steve08 wrote:

Unholy.Daemon wrote:

it's not Dream Theater anymore then...

imo, Mike's possibly the best drummer alive right now...ROFL

You clearly have no idea what the hell you're talking about...

Setting the record straight, Portnoy is nowhere the best drummer even in metal-- check out Jon Karel, Tomsa Haake, Bobby Jarzombek, Navene Koperweis, Hannes Grossmann, Sean Reinert, Travis Orbin, or Derek Roddy.



uhhhh, ROLF to you dumbass, just for putting derek roddy up there. i mean yeah he's good and probably a lot faster than portnoy but he isn't nearly as good. by no means does this mean that portnoy is the best either tho. the best is neil peart obviously, but mikes good too. i personally liked jimmy better but i'm not gonna go saying that one's better than the other
     
oneblackened wrote on 09/11/2010 - 12:00 am / quote |
Well, I for one think that Gene Hoglan would fit. Too bad he's busy with Dethklok.
     
slashe50 wrote on 09/11/2010 - 12:04 am / quote |
Burgery wrote:

Steve08 wrote:Also, when the HELL did people start thinking The Rev was anything better than average?I approve of this message.


I'm Slashe50, and I approve of this "I approve of this message" message.
     
pwrmax wrote on 09/11/2010 - 12:24 am / quote |
Mike was responsible for the metal side of DT, next album will probably be another Images & Words, which would be pretty cool.
     
pwrmax wrote on 09/11/2010 - 12:24 am / quote |
Then he will return but have less say in the writing process, so it will be a return to the old days
     
K!d_MeTaL wrote on 09/11/2010 - 12:26 am / quote |
No!!!!!
     
da.benson8r wrote on 09/11/2010 - 12:30 am / quote |
This is definitely a good thing for Portnoy, I think. As much as he was a part of Dream Theater and as amazing as he really was, he's just gone from one band more than likely into another (hopefully Avenged Sevenfold). The part that gets me, though, is who they'll get to replace MP... there's few drummers out there that could replicate the drum parts with the intensity and skill of Mike. Then again, there IS the possibility that Mike COULD rejoin Dream Theater in a few years or so, after a couple of albums with really long, decently executed songs and John Petrucci destroying all that we knew about amazing guitar playing along the way...
     
ObsceneGestures wrote on 09/11/2010 - 12:30 am / quote |
pwrmax wrote:

Then he will return but have less say in the writing process, so it will be a return to the old days


I really wouldn't mind this..
     
ndrummerc wrote on 09/11/2010 - 12:33 am / quote |
That is like The Who going on without Keith Moon..wait...grr...
     
leephan wrote on 09/11/2010 - 01:09 am / quote |
I really hope to hear more of Myung in the next record. He really didn't do anything interesting in the last few albums.
     
apope wrote on 09/11/2010 - 01:59 am / quote |
Hope the other members finally step up to the plate. Get Myung contributing again.
     
EpsilonJSTC wrote on 09/11/2010 - 02:11 am / quote |
I was really upset when I first heard this, but I think this might ultimately be good for the band. The loss of Mike will definitely put the pressure on them to put out something good. And maybe now we'll get something a bit lighter than their recent work, maybe something more like Images and Words. In my opinion, that would be pretty sweet. Especially if Mike comes back in a year or two.
     
emphaticleech wrote on 09/11/2010 - 02:17 am / quote |
Eirien wrote:

UnaLaguna wrote:


He didn't write anything apart from some lyrics and the drum parts. His main part was acting as a producer and making the songs worse (see A Nightmare to Remember).



lol, I'm guessing you're talking about the terrible rap bit. You have Petrucci to blame for that. Read this; http://pmx2.krose.org/forum?action=view&forum_id=1&message_i d=334646%29

Dream Theater were never as progressive as they make themselves out to be. They play in a 'prog style' and have always done songs in other bands' styles. They're a self-confessed cross between Rush and Iron Maiden.


Actually, the rap bit was refreshing. The rest of the song was drivel. And I'm not too sure if I agree with you about the Rush comment. I hear everything from King Crimson (bass, keyboard work), Rush (guitar, drum work), ELP (keys), Genesis (vocal/lyrical), etc etc...they are progressive in every sense of the word. Playing in the 'prog style' makes them prog, no?
     
emphaticleech wrote on 09/11/2010 - 02:19 am / quote |
Second Rate wrote:

espChris93 wrote:

Eirien wrote:

Maybe this will be refreshing to a Dream Theater whose sound has become fairly stale over the past decade with only a few moments of brilliance. I'm glad they're planning to start making the new album in January and look forward to hearing what they come up with, but its ambitious to think they'll find a replacement for Portnoy before then.

I think Portnoy was the only force keeping the band from being completely stale but as a DT fan i hope they put out something great. I hope Petrucci leaves to do something new soon though. He's so good that even making DT albums somewhat restricts his style


Mike Portnoy has been the one making the band stale. He has been the one that is constantly pushing them to write tired, generic "metal" material. Seriously, some of you people are giving Portnoy way too much damn credit. I'm as big a fan of Mike Portnoy as most young drummers with obscene drumkits, but his playing has been stagnant since Train of Thought, his lyrics suck, and his backup vocals are painful. Hopefully they'll pick up someone like a Simon Phillips or Chad Wackerman. That's what DT needs, a technician that isn't a wanker (which is why they would sound like rubbish in the unlikely event that say... Danny Carrey joined the band).


Chad Wackerman! YES! I also think Damon Che would be an interesting addition.
     
emphaticleech wrote on 09/11/2010 - 02:20 am / quote |
SwamToTheMoon wrote:
Mike is still amazing though and was really one of the first great technique based metal drummers.


lolwut? wrong.
     
emphaticleech wrote on 09/11/2010 - 02:21 am / quote |
LordErtai wrote:

ya like Carey and Myung will work with the rhythm section? They are like opposites, myung plays all this weird harmonic/chord crap, we need a bassist like Mr Chancellor or Geddy to pair with Mr Carey.


Justin Chancellor plays chords as well..
     
monroeyoder wrote on 09/11/2010 - 02:37 am / quote |
Mike Mangini crushes Portnoy, so I'd like to hear him take a stab at some DT stuff.
     
ihavenoname93 wrote on 09/11/2010 - 02:39 am / quote |
A7Xfan17 wrote:



he is the best durmmer now that jimmy's gone


im sorry, what?
     
Busproof wrote on 09/11/2010 - 02:39 am / quote |
I know it has nothing really to do with MP in general, but I wonder what Gar Samuelson would be like if he was still alive and well? Ya know?

But honestly, I'd be interested to hear new DT stuff without Portnoy, and then hear Portnoy's other projects. I mean, regardless of who it pisses off, this will be a different vibe for DT, and might produce some new side project shit.

I'm interested.
     
/stab wrote on 09/11/2010 - 03:02 am / quote |
What the ****? Why did he leave? For AX7? or what? this really does not make sense...
     
John1138 wrote on 09/11/2010 - 03:44 am / quote |
Back in the day Bill Bruford left YES and they found Alan White. Sure it changed the dynamics of the band but it was NEEDED!

DT has many things in common with YES. I did not care too much for the last DT disc. I would get into a track and before too long... "SHUT UP I KNOW YOU CAN PLAY!!!"

I look forward to new DT stuff. Who knows? Perhaps Bill Bruford or Terry Bozio might show up!
     
GodEvil wrote on 09/11/2010 - 03:50 am / quote |
Hmmm... Sad news, but maybe they'll go back to the old days. And as for a new drummer... Virgil Donati would make an interesting addition.
     
!-twisty-! wrote on 09/11/2010 - 03:55 am / quote |
Nick menza? i dont know what he's like nowadays, i heard he's cleaned up.
     
Guitar Sushi wrote on 09/11/2010 - 04:12 am / quote |
Steve08 wrote:

Also, when the HELL did people start thinking The Rev was anything better than average?

God, sometimes I hate reading the comments on these pages...


I was thinking the same thing. Diehard A7X fans are ****ing annoying.
     
jrnymn9 wrote on 09/11/2010 - 04:32 am / quote |
MP's influence in the studio has steadily increased over the past decade or so with mixed results. If you read between the lines of both statements (DT official post and MP's letter) you'll see a strong disagreement in MP's role in the band. MP's letter went on and on about his pivotal leadership role. The DT official letter purposefully did not acknowledge that leadership, but only referred to his being a "major force." It seems that the rest of the band grew weary of MP's overdeveloped sense of self importance.
     
otizeta wrote on 09/11/2010 - 05:35 am / quote |
MP's influence in the studio has steadily increased over the past decade or so with mixed results. If you read between the lines of both statements (DT official post and MP's letter) you'll see a strong disagreement in MP's role in the band. MP's letter went on and on about his pivotal leadership role. The DT official letter purposefully did not acknowledge that leadership, but only referred to his being a "major force." It seems that the rest of the band grew weary of MP's overdeveloped sense of self importance.


+1
thinking the same thing~
     
darkl64 wrote on 09/11/2010 - 05:54 am / quote |
Why couldn't it have been LaBrie
     
hahaokayman wrote on 09/11/2010 - 06:43 am / quote |
Guys are mentioning best drummers of all time but I haven't even seen Lars Ulrich in anyones post...why
     
metal_john13 wrote on 09/11/2010 - 07:05 am / quote |
NOOOOO!!!!!
     
x0vincent0x wrote on 09/11/2010 - 08:15 am / quote |
hahaokayman wrote:

Guys are mentioning best drummers of all time but I haven't even seen Lars Ulrich in anyones post...why


because we are mentioning the best drummers of all time!!
     
CoreysMonster wrote on 09/11/2010 - 08:49 am / quote |
darkl64 wrote:

Why couldn't it have been LaBrie


I agree. Oh well, Dream Theater will continue to put shame to the title of "progressive" rock by playing the same, aged style, so hopefully Portnoy will go out and make something new.
     
Boomjosh wrote on 09/11/2010 - 10:04 am / quote |
Steve08 wrote:

Unholy.Daemon wrote:

it's not Dream Theater anymore then...


imo, Mike's possibly the best drummer alive right now...ROFL

You clearly have no idea what the hell you're talking about...

Setting the record straight, Portnoy is nowhere the best drummer even in metal-- check out Jon Karel, Tomsa Haake, Bobby Jarzombek, Navene Koperweis, Hannes Grossmann, Sean Reinert, Travis Orbin, or Derek Roddy.


It baffles me how you can say that with such conviction as if Mike Portnoy is just a nobody in drumming and you are some kind of drumming guru who gets to decide who is the 'best' musician.

There is no 'best' just favourites....are you going to tell me Mike is not my favourite drummer??
     
Black Orchid wrote on 09/11/2010 - 10:06 am / quote |
darkl64 wrote:

Why couldn't it have been LaBrie

Seriously.
     
NeilTheDruid wrote on 09/11/2010 - 10:29 am / quote |
This could be really interesting. Dream Theater has needed a bit of a kick up the arse and if the other members get a more prominent role in writing and they get the right producer, things could be awesome.

As a drummer Portnoy is not irreplaceable.
     
zernyms wrote on 09/11/2010 - 11:24 am / quote |
look at the bright side !!! ??
there's black clouds and black clouds..
     
SlyDevil13 wrote on 09/11/2010 - 11:36 am / quote |
The only one I can see replacing him is Neil Peart talent wise.
     
Dragon Fly wrote on 09/11/2010 - 11:39 am / quote |
Neil Peart? HAHAHA!

No really, I'm really curious who's gonna replace him. Very interesting. I think it's good to get some new fresh blood in the band.
     
Vinura wrote on 09/11/2010 - 12:31 pm / quote |
give it a few years he'll be back
     
Peres.T.Peanut wrote on 09/11/2010 - 02:09 pm / quote |
I heard they were going to dig up the rev to piss off portnoy.
     
wyldeshredder wrote on 09/11/2010 - 02:11 pm / quote |
looking forward to petrucci taking over lyric writing, should be interesting.

blake richardson sounds like a cool replacement.
martin lopez would be interesting
van williams perhaps?
     
hanselrocks1 wrote on 09/11/2010 - 02:49 pm / quote |
Peres.T.Peanut wrote:

I heard they were going to dig up the rev to piss off portnoy.

+1
     
Kilvik wrote on 09/11/2010 - 02:55 pm / quote |
It's good to hear that Dream Theater will continue. But i can't see who will take over for Portnoy?
     
Root Beer wrote on 09/11/2010 - 03:49 pm / quote |
x0vincent0x wrote:

hahaokayman wrote:

Guys are mentioning best drummers of all time but I haven't even seen Lars Ulrich in anyones post...why

because we are mentioning the best drummers of all time!!


+1
     
Unknownsage wrote on 09/11/2010 - 03:56 pm / quote |
A friend of mine that is an A7X fangirl is all happy now because Mike Portnoy is apparently the only drummer that can do The Rev's drumming. -_-' I think that mentality is just stupid.

Here's 2 issues in particular I have.

1-Mike Portnoy likes to show-off. Because he was in not only a metal band but a progressive metal band. So his creativity and stuff could show.

2-Just because he was The Rev's biggest influence doesn't mean that he is the best pick. Dimebag said without Ace Frehley there would be no Dimebag but does that mean he should've replaced him in Pantera after his passing?
     
daylightdies370 wrote on 09/11/2010 - 04:06 pm / quote |
he isn't gonna join avenged sevenfold now,is he?
     
withoutanyname wrote on 09/11/2010 - 04:19 pm / quote |
Black Orchid wrote:

darkl64 wrote:

Why couldn't it have been LaBrie
Seriously.

Really like the guy, but yeah, why not him instead lol
     
withoutanyname wrote on 09/11/2010 - 04:21 pm / quote |
x0vincent0x wrote:

hahaokayman wrote:

Guys are mentioning best drummers of all time but I haven't even seen Lars Ulrich in anyones post...why

because we are mentioning the best drummers of all time!!
+1
     
withoutanyname wrote on 09/11/2010 - 04:31 pm / quote |
Fire-Fade wrote:

They should get that Vadrum guy, the one that has all the youtube vids I reckon he could do it
+10000 he nails all MP's fills and everything, seriously
     
1994Motorbreath wrote on 09/11/2010 - 04:35 pm / quote |
cool i was at the last dream thaeter show in the US
     
whaitschnoik wrote on 09/11/2010 - 04:48 pm / quote |
imagine this: Daniel Lopez joins Dream Theater? Freakin awesome!
     
whaitschnoik wrote on 09/11/2010 - 04:49 pm / quote |
I meant Martin Lopez
     
Myung'sMusicman wrote on 09/11/2010 - 04:52 pm / quote |
Unknownsage wrote:
1-Mike Portnoy likes to show-off. Because he was in not only a metal band but a progressive metal band. So his creativity and stuff could show.


What the hell does that even mean?

I'm in shock that he left Dream Theater, but I also see it as a potential positive for the band. Maybe now they will change the rules for writing songs, and now Myung will start writing again. He did write some great songs back in the day (Learning to Live, Trial of Tears). Also maybe they will start writing more proggy things. I didn't have a problem with the last couple albums as much as a lot of people. They weren't my favorite DT albums but I felt they were still great albums. BCaSL was great minus the rap in ANTR and the prechorus lyrics in The Count of Tuscany. But I am excited for the new record and to see who will replace him.
     
Unknownsage wrote on 09/11/2010 - 04:56 pm / quote |
Myung'sMusicman wrote:

Unknownsage wrote:
1-Mike Portnoy likes to show-off. Because he was in not only a metal band but a progressive metal band. So his creativity and stuff could show.


What the hell does that even mean?

I'm in shock that he left Dream Theater, but I also see it as a potential positive for the band. Maybe now they will change the rules for writing songs, and now Myung will start writing again. He did write some great songs back in the day (Learning to Live, Trial of Tears). Also maybe they will start writing more proggy things. I didn't have a problem with the last couple albums as much as a lot of people. They weren't my favorite DT albums but I felt they were still great albums. BCaSL was great minus the rap in ANTR and the prechorus lyrics in The Count of Tuscany. But I am excited for the new record and to see who will replace him.

I was pointing out how Mike is an amazing drummer and he did a bunch of crazy stuff. And was able to do that stuff without worry because he was in a progressive metal band. Where as if he joins A7X he'll be more restrained and I don't think he'd like that.
     
Dakkstar wrote on 09/11/2010 - 05:22 pm / quote |
Root Beer wrote:

Dakkstar wrote:

bzzzzz WRONG!!lordrcceaser wrote:

They need to call Danny Carey up

What's wrong with Danny Carey?

I just don't really think he's as great as everyone thinks. I'm think perhaps I'm the only person in the world that finds Tool's music a bit pretentious and lacking. He's a good drummer don't get me wrong, but I just don't see him filling the slot.
     
Bananaman1jovan wrote on 09/11/2010 - 05:24 pm / quote |
AdamDK wrote:

I wonder who they'll replace him with. Imagine if they got Blake Richardson (BTBAM). That guy's great, and I'd love to see him in DT, but I'd hate him to leave BTBAM.


you bastard dont jinx us
     
jonny108 wrote on 09/11/2010 - 05:35 pm / quote |
The Rev's irreplaceable.Period. And i dun mean technically or speed wise. You really think he pushed himself to limit to show off his speed? He could play faster, he didn't by choice. I mean Portnoy is an awesome drummer, but the Rev was a songwriter. An intimate songwriter with the rest of the band. You know how hard is to get that? And you can clearly identify his persona in the lyrics\melodies\motifs of A7X songs. That's what im afraid the band won't gain with Portnoy. He'll just be a performer, and not a creator.
     
Meurglys3 wrote on 09/11/2010 - 05:38 pm / quote |
They should do an acoustic album and have James Labrie play the bongos.
     
jpk6044 wrote on 09/11/2010 - 05:56 pm / quote |
Wish they'd get rid of the cheesy singer. He sounds like Steve Perry from Journey and ruins an otherwise outstanding band.
     
Cheeseman Jay wrote on 09/11/2010 - 06:46 pm / quote |
Steve08 :
Unholy.Daemon wrote:

it's not Dream Theater anymore then...

imo, Mike's possibly the best drummer alive right now...
ROFL

You clearly have no idea what the hell you're talking about...

Setting the record straight, Portnoy is nowhere the best drummer even in metal-- check out Jon Karel, Tomsa Haake, Bobby Jarzombek, Navene Koperweis, Hannes Grossmann, Sean Reinert, Travis Orbin, or Derek Roddy.


Everyone forgets Inferno. That should be a capital crime.
     
Ackj wrote on 09/11/2010 - 07:05 pm / quote |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-kG0Oz4ECA&feature=player_em bedded

Just like Jason Bonham played with Zep, Mike's kid can take over for him.
     
SlayingDragons wrote on 09/11/2010 - 07:11 pm / quote |
Steve08 wrote:

Also, when the HELL did people start thinking The Rev was anything better than average?


Musicians get better when they die, Duh.

And bye, Portnoy, I'm gonna miss you...
     
Alive@myfuneral wrote on 09/11/2010 - 07:16 pm / quote |
Woah the Avenged Sevenfold fanboys are out in force today.

All of Dream Theaters members are incredibly talented musicians, it may not be the same without Portnoy but it surely isn't the end
     
heavyprog wrote on 09/11/2010 - 07:27 pm / quote |
FearOfTheDuck wrote:

They should give Rick Allen a call then.


win
     
OctoberWind wrote on 09/11/2010 - 07:53 pm / quote |
A7Xfan17 wrote:



imo, Mike's possibly the best drummer alive right now...

imo he was the best even before jimmy died.

he is the best durmmer now that jimmy's gone[/quote]
     
OctoberWind wrote on 09/11/2010 - 07:53 pm / quote |
^i fail
     
nautiluspfd wrote on 09/11/2010 - 08:50 pm / quote |
Danny Carey is the replacement, heard it through the grapevine...
     
PoP N FresH wrote on 09/11/2010 - 09:09 pm / quote |
oh my ****ing god. A7X fans are unbelievably naive!!!! saying that guy who passed away was at any time in his life the best drummer alive is just wrong. ITS WRONG. im sorry he passed away, its sad, even though that band is garbage, but saying that is like saying kurt cobain was the greatest guitarist alive, you can believe it but you are wrong.
     
hahaokayman wrote on 09/11/2010 - 10:04 pm / quote |
I like Rev, hes a good guy...but certainly not the best drummer of all time...people like to start a bandwagon and people like bandwagons, they're good guys. But it's widely known that upon anyone's death, be it actor/musician/politician/athlete, are all considered greats after they die. It's a cultural thing. I hope this clears some stuff up.
     
slayerisntmusic wrote on 09/11/2010 - 10:17 pm / quote |
LordErtai wrote:

ya like Carey and Myung will work with the rhythm section? They are like opposites, myung plays all this weird harmonic/chord crap, we need a bassist like Mr Chancellor or Geddy to pair with Mr Carey.


It is painfully obvious to me that you don't listen to Myung's playing that much. Besides, listen to Myung in "The Great Debate" and tell me that bass groove was not at all inspired by Tool...

Anywho, Mike's the only member of the band who feels like he needs a break. What I can't help but wonder is, why DT and Mike can't agree to record the the new album together, and then Mike goes on his break while DT finds a touring drummer, and does their usual touring on the new album (which usually lasts a couple years), and then let Mike come back to the band? This way both sides win. Mike gets to take his much needed break and come back with his batteries fully recharged, and the rest of the band doesn't have to wait for him while they tour.
     
ImaNinja wrote on 09/11/2010 - 10:19 pm / quote |
what about the drummer from Circus Maximus?
     
Menza_ wrote on 09/12/2010 - 12:33 am / quote |
Enter Mike Mangini!
     
NCSUdevil wrote on 09/12/2010 - 01:30 am / quote |
I would not want to be whoever takes over for mike. Having to learn 25 years worth of DT songs would be a nightmare.
     
Offworld92 wrote on 09/12/2010 - 01:50 am / quote |
jonny108 wrote:

The Rev's irreplaceable.Period. And i dun mean technically or speed wise. You really think he pushed himself to limit to show off his speed? He could play faster, he didn't by choice. I mean Portnoy is an awesome drummer, but the Rev was a songwriter. An intimate songwriter with the rest of the band. You know how hard is to get that? And you can clearly identify his persona in the lyrics\melodies\motifs of A7X songs. That's what im afraid the band won't gain with Portnoy. He'll just be a performer, and not a creator.


+1000

And to all the people saying The Rev wasn't the greatest of all time... Can anyone really say that? Seriously? I love The Rev. A lot. His style was amazing, and very unique.

I think a lot of people are forgetting the purpose of music... It's like the guys in technical death metal bands, or progressive metal bands... Music isn't supposed to be a contest, how many notes you can play in a given amount of time. I can't get into Dream Theater, no matter how hard I try, because it just doesn't sound good. It sounds like all the members are trying to one up each other the entire song, and it ends up sounding like a confused mass of crap. No, the members of A7X will most likely never be as technical as the DT guys, but why does that have to make them automatically inferior? I'd take A7X over DT any day of the week, because they just sound much more musical. At least their songs have logical intros, progressions and outros, instead of just a random mass of crap that makes no sense. At least their songs are catchy, and get stuck in your head.

Just saying... Though I'm sure I've not said what I mean very all, being technically proficient is not a valid reason to lord over everyone else. Being able to play a shitload of notes on your given instrument in a limited amount of time does not make you a good musician. Technical, yes, skillful, yes, but it's important to not lose sight of the things that matter most, like melody and groove.

I'm sure that I'm going to get shot down to hell for this since this is a DT article.
     
GigaSauce wrote on 09/12/2010 - 02:28 am / quote |
Dream Theater is music for musicians, A7X is music for mainstream (aka dummyheads). It's easy for non-musicians to enjoy A7x's music because yeah it can be catchy. But with all great things, sometimes you need to acquires a taste to fully enjoy it. It'd be like drinking fine wine for the first time and just absolutely loving it, doesn't happen too often.
In my honest opinion, Mike Portnoy sold out, to me. He probably enjoyed playing to a larger fanbase, which is alright. But really, A7X makes subpar music that becomes stale after listening to it more than 3-4 times. Hopefully MP comes back to his senses and rejoins dream theater after he gets his attention fix.
     
urnonav wrote on 09/12/2010 - 02:32 am / quote |
Haha! I don't think Mike and Steven Wilson would make a very good combo. Over time, Portnoy's interest has shifted towards brutal music, while Wilson is your good ol' English prog rock geek. Somehow, I don't see such a project happening.

I don't know if DT's next album will be good or bad, but it will be different for sure. That in itself is very welcome.
     
FearOfTheDuck wrote on 09/12/2010 - 06:36 am / quote |
GigaSauce wrote:

Dream Theater is music for musicians, A7X is music for mainstream (aka dummyheads). It's easy for non-musicians to enjoy A7x's music because yeah it can be catchy. But with all great things, sometimes you need to acquires a taste to fully enjoy it. It'd be like drinking fine wine for the first time and just absolutely loving it, doesn't happen too often.
In my honest opinion, Mike Portnoy sold out, to me. He probably enjoyed playing to a larger fanbase, which is alright. But really, A7X makes subpar music that becomes stale after listening to it more than 3-4 times. Hopefully MP comes back to his senses and rejoins dream theater after he gets his attention fix.


Music for "dummyheads"... A7X are a mainstream metal band that experimented and didn't have a formula. You can't say that about the Disturbeds of the genre who put out the same album 5 times because they know it makes them big money.

As for MP, he's just sick of the same old DT routine. Write. Record. Tour. Repeat. The rest of the band should've taken the time off too.
     
Entombed wrote on 09/12/2010 - 07:28 am / quote |
GigaSauce wrote:

Dream Theater is music for musicians, A7X is music for mainstream (aka dummyheads). It's easy for non-musicians to enjoy A7x's music because yeah it can be catchy. But with all great things, sometimes you need to acquires a taste to fully enjoy it. It'd be like drinking fine wine for the first time and just absolutely loving it, doesn't happen too often.
In my honest opinion, Mike Portnoy sold out, to me. He probably enjoyed playing to a larger fanbase, which is alright. But really, A7X makes subpar music that becomes stale after listening to it more than 3-4 times. Hopefully MP comes back to his senses and rejoins dream theater after he gets his attention fix.


This.
     
randyaintdead82 wrote on 09/12/2010 - 08:30 am / quote |
GigaSauce wrote:

Dream Theater is music for musicians, A7X is music for mainstream (aka dummyheads). It's easy for non-musicians to enjoy A7x's music because yeah it can be catchy. But with all great things, sometimes you need to acquires a taste to fully enjoy it. It'd be like drinking fine wine for the first time and just absolutely loving it, doesn't happen too often.
In my honest opinion, Mike Portnoy sold out, to me. He probably enjoyed playing to a larger fanbase, which is alright. But really, A7X makes subpar music that becomes stale after listening to it more than 3-4 times. Hopefully MP comes back to his senses and rejoins dream theater after he gets his attention fix.


So I am a dummyhead musician? I enjoy both bands quite a bit. Music shouldn't be categorized and placed for a certain group of people. We can all enjoy it. And Mike Portnoy selling out? Mike Portnoy woulda sold out by staying with the band because of people like you! But he's a smart person who does things for himself. If hes burnt out from DT, let him have a break from the endless cycle he goes through with them. The others didn't want to take a break, so he HAD to leave. And the music would've become even more shittier if he had stayed anyway. I don't feel like having another Black Clouds and Silver Linings-like album anyway.
     
Highwaytohell wrote on 09/12/2010 - 08:38 am / quote |
... I'ma listen to MASTADON!
     
Highwaytohell wrote on 09/12/2010 - 08:39 am / quote |
Highwaytohell wrote:

... I'ma listen to MASTADON!

sorry
MASTODON!
     
guitarist41 wrote on 09/12/2010 - 09:18 am / quote |
GigaSauce wrote:

Dream Theater is music for musicians, A7X is music for mainstream (aka dummyheads). It's easy for non-musicians to enjoy A7x's music because yeah it can be catchy. But with all great things, sometimes you need to acquires a taste to fully enjoy it. It'd be like drinking fine wine for the first time and just absolutely loving it, doesn't happen too often.
In my honest opinion, Mike Portnoy sold out, to me. He probably enjoyed playing to a larger fanbase, which is alright. But really, A7X makes subpar music that becomes stale after listening to it more than 3-4 times. Hopefully MP comes back to his senses and rejoins dream theater after he gets his attention fix.


Oh, all-knowing one, please enlighten us further.
     
Sundis_666 wrote on 09/12/2010 - 09:40 am / quote |
MetalIsForever! wrote:

I don't think they will be as successful without Mike. I'm not a big Dream Theater fan, but he's one of the best drummers in the world, and im not sure how DT will match that
     
Crossyboy wrote on 09/12/2010 - 10:29 am / quote |
GigaSauce wrote:

Dream Theater is music for musicians, A7X is music for mainstream (aka dummyheads). It's easy for non-musicians to enjoy A7x's music because yeah it can be catchy. But with all great things, sometimes you need to acquires a taste to fully enjoy it. It'd be like drinking fine wine for the first time and just absolutely loving it, doesn't happen too often.
In my honest opinion, Mike Portnoy sold out, to me. He probably enjoyed playing to a larger fanbase, which is alright. But really, A7X makes subpar music that becomes stale after listening to it more than 3-4 times. Hopefully MP comes back to his senses and rejoins dream theater after he gets his attention fix.


I'm a musician.A serious one. And I completely disagree with this. Everyone has their influences and favourites. So everyone will have their opinions and will see them as correct. But no matter how much people argue about who the best drummer is or who the best band is and why, nothing will change the fact that Portnoy has moved onto other things and is obviously preferring his time touring with Avenged Sevenfold at the moment. Otherwise he wouldn't have left Dream Theater.
But I want to on record as saying that I agree with
FearOfTheDuck wrote:
Music for "dummyheads"... A7X are a mainstream metal band that experimented and didn't have a formula. You can't say that about the Disturbeds of the genre who put out the same album 5 times because they know it makes them big money.
As for MP, he's just sick of the same old DT routine. Write. Record. Tour. Repeat. The rest of the band should've taken the time off too.

and
randyaintdead82 wrote:
So I am a dummyhead musician? I enjoy both bands quite a bit. Music shouldn't be categorized and placed for a certain group of people. We can all enjoy it. And Mike Portnoy selling out? Mike Portnoy woulda sold out by staying with the band because of people like you! But he's a smart person who does things for himself. If hes burnt out from DT, let him have a break from the endless cycle he goes through with them. The others didn't want to take a break, so he HAD to leave. And the music would've become even more shittier if he had stayed anyway. I don't feel like having another Black Clouds and Silver Linings-like album anyway.
     
theblazinasian wrote on 09/12/2010 - 10:58 am / quote |
GigaSauce wrote:

Dream Theater is music for musicians, A7X is music for mainstream (aka dummyheads). It's easy for non-musicians to enjoy A7x's music because yeah it can be catchy. But with all great things, sometimes you need to acquires a taste to fully enjoy it. It'd be like drinking fine wine for the first time and just absolutely loving it, doesn't happen too often.
In my honest opinion, Mike Portnoy sold out, to me. He probably enjoyed playing to a larger fanbase, which is alright. But really, A7X makes subpar music that becomes stale after listening to it more than 3-4 times. Hopefully MP comes back to his senses and rejoins dream theater after he gets his attention fix.


Read: musicians can't like catchy music.
     
crazysam23_Atax wrote on 09/12/2010 - 11:12 am / quote |
I wonder will will replace him.

And, btw, why the hell do some people have to keep bringing up AX7? Their most recent album sucks.
     
GigaSauce wrote on 09/12/2010 - 12:27 pm / quote |
lady gaga is catchy.. and so is justin bieber
     
metal4life34 wrote on 09/12/2010 - 12:38 pm / quote |
Offworld92 wrote:

jonny108 wrote:

The Rev's irreplaceable.Period. And i dun mean technically or speed wise. You really think he pushed himself to limit to show off his speed? He could play faster, he didn't by choice. I mean Portnoy is an awesome drummer, but the Rev was a songwriter. An intimate songwriter with the rest of the band. You know how hard is to get that? And you can clearly identify his persona in the lyrics\melodies\motifs of A7X songs. That's what im afraid the band won't gain with Portnoy. He'll just be a performer, and not a creator.

+1000

And to all the people saying The Rev wasn't the greatest of all time... Can anyone really say that? Seriously? I love The Rev. A lot. His style was amazing, and very unique.

I think a lot of people are forgetting the purpose of music... It's like the guys in technical death metal bands, or progressive metal bands... Music isn't supposed to be a contest, how many notes you can play in a given amount of time. I can't get into Dream Theater, no matter how hard I try, because it just doesn't sound good. It sounds like all the members are trying to one up each other the entire song, and it ends up sounding like a confused mass of crap. No, the members of A7X will most likely never be as technical as the DT guys, but why does that have to make them automatically inferior? I'd take A7X over DT any day of the week, because they just sound much more musical. At least their songs have logical intros, progressions and outros, instead of just a random mass of crap that makes no sense. At least their songs are catchy, and get stuck in your head.

Just saying... Though I'm sure I've not said what I mean very all, being technically proficient is not a valid reason to lord over everyone else. Being able to play a shitload of notes on your given instrument in a limited amount of time does not make you a good musician. Technical, yes, skillful, yes, but it's important to not lose sight of the things that matter most, like melody and groove.

I'm sure that I'm going to get shot down to hell for this since this is a DT article.


i can really and seriously say that the rev wasnt the best of all time. Not by a long shot.

Also you can be technically skilled and have melody and grove.

But I do respect him and I am sorry that he died.
     
Dream Theaterr wrote on 09/12/2010 - 01:04 pm / quote |
They should get Meg White. LOL
     
Fallen_Seeker wrote on 09/12/2010 - 02:30 pm / quote |
A7Xfan17 wrote:



imo, Mike's possibly the best drummer alive right now...


he is the best durmmer now that jimmy's gone[/quote]
+1
Exactly what I was thinking.X)
     
Dream Theaterr wrote on 09/12/2010 - 02:36 pm / quote |
OctoberWind wrote:

A7Xfan17 wrote:



imo, Mike's possibly the best drummer alive right now...
imo he was the best even before jimmy died.

he is the best durmmer now that jimmy's
gone
[/quote]

Mike was always the best drummer even before the rev died. A7x fan boys are annoying.
     
shadowspy wrote on 09/12/2010 - 04:59 pm / quote |
I'm worried Dream Theater won't be the same without MP
     
jpgilbert701 wrote on 09/12/2010 - 05:21 pm / quote |
TRAVIS ORBIN. That would be a sight. Give this kid a chance. He's got massive potential.
     
Megadeaf wrote on 09/12/2010 - 05:41 pm / quote |
Uber Man wrote:

well... who they going to get to replace him? the only one that could is Neil Peart, and he is busy in Rush.
I met a guy recently that can play just like him. The talent is out there, it's just undiscovered.
     
Rajah wrote on 09/12/2010 - 07:05 pm / quote |
GodEvil wrote:

Hmmm... Sad news, but maybe they'll go back to the old days. And as for a new drummer... Virgil Donati would make an interesting addition.


He'd get my vote. I used to watch him play in a Dream Theater cover band.
     
pcr526 wrote on 09/12/2010 - 09:35 pm / quote |
I was thinking Martin Lopez (ex. Opeth) would be interesting as a replacement. I have to think that Dream Theater may return to the DT of old, maybe it's wishful thinking....
     
metal_cobs wrote on 09/12/2010 - 09:56 pm / quote |
WTF is the first thought that came to my mind, this is pretty much inconceivable considering Mr. Portnoy had such a pivotal role in the band.
I do hope that the guys from Dream Theater lose no momentum over this and find a suitable drummer.
     
GenerationKILL wrote on 09/13/2010 - 12:29 am / quote |
Portnoy REALLY only left because hes addicted to the fame hes gotten being in A7X. Dream Theater will never be as huge as Avenged Sevenfold are getting.

Seriously, if The Rev were still alive and in the band He wouldn't have left Dream Theater.
     
Lt.DustyBanana wrote on 09/13/2010 - 01:27 am / quote |
Gavin Harrison would be perfect for DT, because he has the raw skill of drummers like Haake while having a musical, tasteful feel to his beats and fills that never get stagnant.
     
Offworld92 wrote on 09/13/2010 - 01:56 am / quote |
metal4life34 wrote:

i can really and seriously say that the rev wasnt the best of all time. Not by a long shot.

Also you can be technically skilled and have melody and grove.

But I do respect him and I am sorry that he died.


That's not what I meant. I worded it badly. I'm not saying The Rev was the greatest. I meant, can any of us say that anybody is the greatest, or isn't? Everybody will have their own opinions about that.

And to GigaSauce, you are a retard. I am a musician. I think it is a very, very small percent of people here who aren't. This is UG. Non musicians don't really just come here. If anything, you're not, because true musicians are generally more intelligent than what you just displayed.
     
beineken wrote on 09/13/2010 - 02:55 am / quote |
i honestly never heard one positive comment about the rev's drumming prior to his death. no disrespect to him (the man was clearly technically proficient), but all i ever heard anyone say about his drumming before was that it sounded like any other generic metal band's drum work. i've heard more interesting and complex drumming in random youtube videos. the rev will have never been CLOSE to being the best drummer of all time. not after john bonham walked the earth. and most other really good drummers.

OR for that matter:
Squifey :
I'd love to see Blake Richardson fill in, but not leave BTBAM.


this. blake richardson could outplay the rev and mike portnoy blindfolded. sorry to be a drumming troll, but as a HUGE dream theater fan, particularly of their older material, i would love to see them get richardson to fill in on an album/tour/another album. he's really influenced by portnoy himself, and the exposure would be fantastic for BTBAM.
     
Hamburglekins wrote on 09/13/2010 - 02:58 am / quote |
GenerationKILL wrote:

Portnoy REALLY only left because hes addicted to the fame hes gotten being in A7X. Dream Theater will never be as huge as Avenged Sevenfold are getting.

Seriously, if The Rev were still alive and in the band He wouldn't have left Dream Theater.


Have to agree here.

Honestly though, I think its for the best. Maybe DT will get a nice boost out of it, get away from the staleness of the recent releases and make some good music. And Portnoy can (and probably will) do whatever he wishes and he'll still be a great drummer and musician. If he chooses to join A7X (despite me thinking it would be a remarkable squandering of his talent) it makes absolutely no difference to me as I couldn't give two shits about the band.
     
Hamburglekins wrote on 09/13/2010 - 03:00 am / quote |
beineken wrote:

i honestly never heard one positive comment about the rev's drumming prior to his death. no disrespect to him (the man was clearly technically proficient), but all i ever heard anyone say about his drumming before was that it sounded like any other generic metal band's drum work. i've heard more interesting and complex drumming in random youtube videos. the rev will have never been CLOSE to being the best drummer of all time.



Also, this. But there's no use arguing with the fanboys. I personally dislike A7X's music and find them extremely generic, but to each their own.
     
DifferentWorld wrote on 09/13/2010 - 04:23 am / quote |
Dear Dream Theater,

Gene Hoglan.

That is all.

(Actually, it'd be debatable how well he'd fit. He's not what I'd call super 'progressive' in his sound, just awesome. Maybe they can steal Danny Carey?)
     
sucubus wrote on 09/13/2010 - 05:53 am / quote |
...Hellhammer for dream theater
     
Wesserz wrote on 09/13/2010 - 06:45 am / quote |
DT should not get a drummer from another band. Danny Carey is a good drummer but he does not belong with DT. I think DT should find only die hard fans to audition for them because only those able to relate to DT would be able to fit in. I'll miss Mike and to think that people even have the balls to compare the Rev to him is so stupid.
     
Wesserz wrote on 09/13/2010 - 06:46 am / quote |
Dream Theaterr wrote:

OctoberWind wrote:

A7Xfan17 wrote:



imo, Mike's possibly the best drummer alive right now...
imo he was the best even before jimmy died.

he is the best durmmer now that jimmy's
gone


Mike was always the best drummer even before the rev died. A7x fan boys are annoying.[/quote]

A7X sucks and the fans are just as bad
     
bassboy 999 wrote on 09/13/2010 - 07:31 am / quote |
Dream Theater are finished anyway.
     
Teh Skisgaars wrote on 09/13/2010 - 10:04 am / quote |
hang on hang on hang on WTF, im reading here that people think portnoy didnt have any creative input. are you f'ing serious, he was the main creative influence in DT. not the mention the AA suite, a collection of the ebst DT songs imo, but hes written probably half the stuff on every album, with petrucci doing some of the writing. i always preferred portnoys writing style, with that many diverse influences how can it not be epic.

now hes gone and i seriously dont know what DT are planning to do... cause no one can drum like portnoy, dont get me wrong there are better drummers out there, Gavin Harrisson ftw, but no one can do his clock like drumming and insane rolls and speed coupled with an amazing technique.

being a manic DT fan it pains me to say this, but i honestly dont think they can survive without portnoy, at least not to the same calibre as they have in the past.

phew .. theres my spiel.
     
wes_malick wrote on 09/13/2010 - 10:43 am / quote |
well Mike is a sick man on the drums. and yes the Rev will live on as one of the best ever, but it's too close to call really.. Personally i think Mike shoulda stayed with Dream Theater, his technicality made that band who they are. So now what's DT to do? hmmmm.. Any update on Slipknot's plans? cuz I'd give Joey a call.
     
kumamilesbear wrote on 09/13/2010 - 11:20 am / quote |
UnaLaguna wrote:

FaLLibaneZ wrote:

wasn't Mike some kind of the main writer in DT?
He didn't write anything apart from some lyrics and the drum parts. His main part was acting as a producer and making the songs worse (see A Nightmare to Remember)..

He actually wrote a fair amount of the lyrics.
     
Teh Skisgaars wrote on 09/13/2010 - 09:26 pm / quote |
WTF so many people are saying portnoy is just a performer and didnt write any music.... are you f'ing kidding me, portnoy wrote more than 50% of dream theater music, does the AA suite ring any bells, how bout constant motion, the best of days.... no k well you guys obviously dont know the first thing about prtnoy or his songwriting skills. he also managed the band, produced all their albums, basiucally organised everything. he will be greatly missed in every aspect of DT and being a fan it pains me to say, but i dont htink they can survive, at least to the calibre they did before, without portnoy.
     
Teh Skisgaars wrote on 09/13/2010 - 09:29 pm / quote |
seriously sdorry to double post but it pisses me off people coming in here not knowing the first thing about portnoy and dissing him. learn the facts before your slanderise someone
     
jorgemuela wrote on 09/20/2010 - 02:02 am / quote |
just put ringo starr there!
     
Deathz0r wrote on 09/28/2010 - 02:42 pm / quote |
guitargodwannab wrote:

well, im so pumped for this record, BCnSL is prolly the best record that ive heard from DT.....so excited for this new record late 2011 early 2012, even if it isnt with Portnoy



Black clouds sucked ass my friend, go listen to Images and Words.
     
Deathz0r wrote on 09/28/2010 - 02:42 pm / quote |
Teh Skisgaars wrote:

WTF so many people are saying portnoy is just a performer and didnt write any music.... are you f'ing kidding me, portnoy wrote more than 50% of dream theater music, does the AA suite ring any bells, how bout constant motion, the best of days.... no k well you guys obviously dont know the first thing about prtnoy or his songwriting skills. he also managed the band, produced all their albums, basiucally organised everything. he will be greatly missed in every aspect of DT and being a fan it pains me to say, but i dont htink they can survive, at least to the calibre they did before, without portnoy.


A-****ing-men
     
Deathz0r wrote on 09/28/2010 - 02:43 pm / quote |
kumamilesbear wrote:

UnaLaguna wrote:

FaLLibaneZ wrote:

Try about 80%

wasn't Mike some kind of the main writer in DT?
He didn't write anything apart from some lyrics and the drum parts. His main part was acting as a producer and making the songs worse (see A Nightmare to Remember)..
He actually wrote a fair amount of the lyrics.
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