Joe Satriani Accuses Coldplay Of Plagiarism

Rock guitarist Joe Satriani has sued British band Coldplay, accusing the Grammy-nominated stars of plagiarizing one of his songs.

Satriani's copyright infringement suit, filed on Thursday in Los Angeles federal court, claims the Coldplay song "Viva La Vida" incorporates "substantial original portions" of his 2004 instrumental "If I Could Fly."

The 52-year-old guitar virtuoso is seeking a jury trial, damages and "any and all profits" attributable to the alleged copyright infringement.

Coldplay, whose soaring atmospheric tunes are often compared to those of Irish rock band U2, received seven Grammy nominations on Wednesday, second only to rapper Lil Wayne.

Among its mentions were nominations in the key record and song of the year categories for "Viva La Vida," which comes from the band's chart-topping album "Viva La Vida Or Death And All His Friends."

The song is credited to the band's four members, singer Chris Martin; bass player Guy Berryman; guitarist Johnny Buckland; and drummer Will Champion. The title was inspired by a painting by Mexican artist Frida Kahlo.

The Satriani track comes from his album "Is There Love In Space?" Further comment from Satriani's attorney, or reaction from Coldplay's management was not immediately available.

Thanks for the report to Reuters.com.

Comments

[chudy-stuey]

make your own mind up...check out

2mins 20 in
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dvgZkm1xWPE

50 secs in
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CMcjXo8ZuqE&feature=relate d

[cblowrun]

i dont think this is true..

[Helpy Helperton]

this is quite old, people have been mentioning this for ages. I'm not sure where I stand on this, on the one hand the parts do sound identical and satchs work was first, on the other should you be able to copyright a melody? I don't know, but i wouldn't want to get sued in 10 years time for a song which i came up with on my own only later to find it sounds like another song (which i may never had heard before). Tough one

[Helpy Helperton]

^ it's not the fact that satch is suing is old but the similarities between songs, sry

[rasinañte]

Why doesn't radiohead just join the suit then?

[CPace]

I honestly don't think coldplay listens to joe satriani. It's a pretty simple melody it's probably just a coincidence.

[henza_x]

Holy shit, joe satriani is 52???

[Tabassco]

I say pure coincidence. Shit just happens man.

[Wiegraf]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI 0:35

Apparently written 2 years before Satriani's. >_< I love Satch, but this could turn around and kick him in the ass.

[Yerjam]

Nah, much as I love Satch and hate Coldplay, I don't think they copied.

[Wiegraf]

Helpy Helperton wrote:

this is quite old, people have been mentioning this for ages. I'm not sure where I stand on this, on the one hand the parts do sound identical and satchs work was first, on the other should you be able to copyright a melody? I don't know, but i wouldn't want to get sued in 10 years time for a song which i came up with on my own only later to find it sounds like another song (which i may never had heard before). Tough one

"any and all profits" attributable to the alleged copyright infringement.

If he had jumped on it right away, how much money do you think that he'd have made?

[jammyninja]

Wiegraf wrote:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI 0:35

Apparently written 2 years before Satriani's. >_< I love Satch, but this could turn around and kick him in the ass.

Yeah, chances are it was just a coincidence. There are so many f*cking elitists on youtube spouting Coldplay hate, when Satch could be accused of the same thing (not attacking Joe either, just some of his less intelligent fans).

Like someone said, chances that Coldplay listened to Satriani during the making of the album? Not very high.

[craigspyke]

Just stick em on the same stage, have Coldplay do Vida La Vida and then have Satch come out and solo all over it. Would probably lead to people thinking Satch wrote it for that song but it would probably make loads more people realise how awesome he is at guitar.

[Deathsdoor99]

There isn't much of a case here, plus I couldn't see Satch filing a law suit against anyone - he doesn't seem like that type of guy. This is all rumours.

[stephen_rettie]

holy crap
thats pretty true

[The_String_Man]

henza_x wrote:

Holy shit, joe satriani is 52???

lol just what i was also thinking

[Ulalume]

From what I see the only thing similar is the chord progression. He's suing over a chord progression? Lets let the guy who first used Cmaj to Am sue everyone in the world.

Satriani (and Coldplay) are over-rated and now just pushing the envelope to stupid.

[SurfinWithSatch]

It's about damn time, I was wondering if Satch would ever find out about this. Listen on this video http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I it is the best proof of this and I wouldn't be surprised if it is actually used as evidence because it's so good. Satch is well within his rights to claim royalties. Think about it, you write a song and it has moderate success in an album of yours, then 2 years or so later some other band comes along, does exactly the same chord progression AND the same melody line. They make millions and win awards for it, would you honestly be ok with that? Of course you wouldn't, you'd do what Satch is doing and sue their asses for copy right infringement.

[Pearl Peppers]

i heard the two put together on youtube they should of had done that, it sounded pretty awesome.

[Guitarism12]

Satch is god. Hes instantly right

[Woozye]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I

thought I should share this.

I don't know what to think

[RichieJovie]

hahahahahhahahahaha the only decent outcome is if the sentence is that Coldplay are never allowed to record again ever.

[diablos]

erm, legend of zelda fairy theme anyone? lol

same riff syndrome no doubt.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wJAIh_gB2hs

[mr blues]

its a bout time ive been saying that since i heard it...coldplay and staff need to listen to what there puttin out as well as others

[guitar_freak523]

its a pretty basic melody, joe is good at soloing but a pretty stale rythme guitarist but the sounds of it.

[R0e]

In all this ruckus, I think I just found another Joe Satriani song I like.

[mysecondlife]

It's always the hit single that gets accused of plagiarism. I'm not sure Satriani would care if it's coldplay's other songs

anyways, This is exactly why I like Tom Petty

[Soozy]

Holy crap, that Coldplay video has 25 million hits, that's obscene

Don't think it's plagerism. I think it'd be harder to pull that riff out of a song than to just write one.

[Lin]

This was always my favourite satch song and it really annoys me that people say it sounds just like coldplay. It's hard to imagine him winning, but it will be worth it for the attention it brings to his work. It's impossible to know whether it's plagiarism, but it's important that people know it's a possibility.

[shwilly]

craigspyke wrote:

Just stick em on the same stage, have Coldplay do Vida La Vida and then have Satch come out and solo all over it. Would probably lead to people thinking Satch wrote it for that song but it would probably make loads more people realise how awesome he is at guitar.

I like the way you think

Wiegraf wrote:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI 0:35

Apparently written 2 years before Satriani's. >_< I love Satch, but this could turn around and kick him in the ass.

I love that band! It's certainly not their best song but it does sound nearly identical to Satch and Coldplay's version.

Coldplay ain't a bad band, but they're not all that special either. I don't think that most people who don't like Coldplay would make such a fuzz about them being so popular if it weren't for the (casual) fans praising them to death all the time, as if they invented music. Same goes for a considerable part of the music press (7 friggin' Grammy nominations?) and Chris Martin himself (man, that guy takes himself seriously...).

I can see why people would call bands like the Beatles, Led Zeppelin and U2 the "best band in the world" while they were still in their prime, but Coldplay does not belong on that list

[Daneeka]

Alizee should jump in too, just for the money.

[Daneeka]

If you don'T get my comment, have a look at this: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=J6uWfLKrr-s&fmt=18

[viento]

does satriani really need to do that?

[shadow phoenix]

The songs sound similar, but he can't seriously be suing over it.. Is this verified or rumor?

[SurfinWithSatch]

I just thought I'd mention that before this Joe Satriani was actually a really big fan of Coldplays. Can you imagine the look on Joe's face when he first heard Viva La Vida lol.

[GunsnRosesown]

coincidence. I write songs that sound similar to a song i've heard before (or sometimes never heard before) sometimes too.

[Vendim]

They're so many songs in this world and I think that it's normal that a song sounds like another one.
By the way it's just ONE melody that seems to be the same.
Anyway, if Joe sues them for this tiny melody he must be very poor.

[Aftertime]

i couldn't really see Satch as the kind of guy that would sue. But if I was in his shoes, hearing a song that sounds pretty much like yours and seeing it make millions i'd be pissed off.

i like both songs and both bands, i don't think it'd matter if he wins or loses this case

[ChucklesMginty]

The chorus is like exactly the same. But I've kind of lost some respect for Satch

[rockmonster5000]

Holy Shit ! I did not know that Joe Satriani was 52 !

lol

[epiphysis]

Quite interesting... I saw an interview after they released Viva La Vida where Chris Martin admits that they took parts of songs from other artists.

[Metallicaloveu]

I hear it....

[emil_sej]

They are pretty similar..
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I&feature =related

[stiff-upper-lip]

haha, i've never noticed that before, but like Chuckles said, i've kinda lost respect for Satch now. I doubt Coldplay did it on purpose, half of em prob don't even listen to satch.

[Regression]

Ulalume wrote:

From what I see the only thing similar is the chord progression. He's suing over a chord progression? Lets let the guy who first used Cmaj to Am sue everyone in the world.

Satriani (and Coldplay) are over-rated and now just pushing the envelope to stupid.

Listen to the main melody in the Satch piece and the chorus in the Coldplay one, they are pretty much exactly the same. Not to mention the same chord progression..

[dinley]

I like Satch a lot.. but damn they are similar but miles apart and this seems kind of low for him. =( At least I still have Stevey Vai! XD

[MonsterOfRock]

Hey! everyone ripped off Led Zeppelin. Led Zeppelin ripped off older blues/folk players. In few years time when some of us UG'ers who'll become successful will rip off Satriani.

For all Satriani (the greastest human to hold a guitar) is worth, I don't think he should sue those pussies. Let them be loved by idiots from THEIR craft.

[Jau_Peacecraft]

Satriani just lost my respect, what an idiot. He would've been better off making a sarcastic announcement concerning how Coldplay ripped off of him. At least then, he'd probably would've gotten dialogue started, & i wouldn't be surprised if Coldplay & joe eventually met up to discuss things outside of court.

What a fuc*ing child; you don't see David Bowie bitching & whining about people stealing chord progressions from his songs, do you? Nope, he's too busy working his ass off (despite a recent heart attack).

BTW, remember the Bruce Springsteen article on how he plagarized from the guy from who wrote 876-5309? No? Does it matter anyways? (Supposedly, Bruce ripped it off in the song "Radio Nowhere" off of Magic; I couldn't tell the difference despite being a composer myself).

Intellectual property does not exist, sorry folks. Get over it, get off your ass, & start dealing with the future.

Or, you could do what every other Tom Dick & Harry is doing, which is reinforcing the primitive concept of a monopoly over a vague concept such as an "idea", or "melody" (literal composition elements in notation excluded, but I doubt joe will get that technical & properly word his argument), further the law soup & red tape surrounding making music, of all things, & continue to fuel the RIAA way of doing things: extorting everyone & their grandma until you've managed to coerce your way back into the market by making people buy into your bullshit.

I could easily list a bunch of ****ing coincidences in music that, if they were recently discovered in this nanny state, over-reactionary, pacified age, would probably never see the light of day due to court proceedings & all sorts of heinous crap.

BTW, The Metal Gear Solid 2 Theme Song rips off of some random Russian composer, which no one knew about until a year or two ago when someone called into a radio show. Didn't know that? Ask yourself, does that really matter to you?

UG readers need to read more Lawarence Lessig if they want an inkling of what's going on with "intellectual property", & how increasingly futile it will be as the markets are always evolving towards what is more efficient, despite the state intervention & lawyer brigade screwing things up.

Then they should read some economics (don't worry, wikipedia is sufficient to prevent total ignorance), & the criticisms of intellectual property itself.

Or, you could just sit around in your mom's basement & bitch about :insert band name here: sucking, while not realizing how utterly useless your liberal arts degree will be when you finally get it.

Anyways, so what? Joe should be thanking Coldplay; he just got free publicity, free bitching space, free attention to his music, free sympathy, probably about 50 new fans who are downloading his sh*t off of waffles.fm, demonoid, or piratebay, & probably will see some amount of compensation from the band (who will probably do the grown up thing & just keep silent & pay this pest away), & proceed to spend that money on even more self-indulgent equipment for his guitars.

[MonsterOfRock]

When I say "their", please be aware that I'm using a nuke of sarcasm.

[abrancato85]

Leave Coldplay alone. Not that I'm a fan or anything but any band whether it be Coldplay or even Creed damn it, that can stop Lil Wayne from winning a grammy, we must be behind that band full force! At least until the grammys are over.

[SurfinWithSatch]

Aftertime wrote:

i couldn't really see Satch as the kind of guy that would sue.

Having met Satch and his manager in the past I really don't think that Satch is the main driving force pushing this lawsuit forward. I'm like 85% sure that the main people responsible for pushing this lawsuit are Satch's management team and record label, lets not forget that they too will have lost out on money if it has indeed been illegally copied and we all know how "greedy" record labels can be.
Joe is a simple man with a simple life, he doesn't walk down redcarpets or go on TV show after TV show after never ending TV show because he doesn't want to.

[dinley]

Jau_Peacecraft wrote:

Satriani just lost my respect, what an idiot. He would've been better off making a sarcastic announcement concerning how Coldplay ripped off of him. At least then, he'd probably would've gotten dialogue started, & i wouldn't be surprised if Coldplay & joe eventually met up to discuss things outside of court.

What a fuc*ing child; you don't see David Bowie bitching & whining about people stealing chord progressions from his songs, do you? Nope, he's too busy working his ass off (despite a recent heart attack).

BTW, remember the Bruce Springsteen article on how he plagarized from the guy from who wrote 876-5309? No? Does it matter anyways? (Supposedly, Bruce ripped it off in the song "Radio Nowhere" off of Magic; I couldn't tell the difference despite being a composer myself).

Intellectual property does not exist, sorry folks. Get over it, get off your ass, & start dealing with the future.

Or, you could do what every other Tom Dick & Harry is doing, which is reinforcing the primitive concept of a monopoly over a vague concept such as an "idea", or "melody" (literal composition elements in notation excluded, but I doubt joe will get that technical & properly word his argument), further the law soup & red tape surrounding making music, of all things, & continue to fuel the RIAA way of doing things: extorting everyone & their grandma until you've managed to coerce your way back into the market by making people buy into your bullshit.

I could easily list a bunch of ****ing coincidences in music that, if they were recently discovered in this nanny state, over-reactionary, pacified age, would probably never see the light of day due to court proceedings & all sorts of heinous crap.

BTW, The Metal Gear Solid 2 Theme Song rips off of some random Russian composer, which no one knew about until a year or two ago when someone called into a radio show. Didn't know that? Ask yourself, does that really matter to you?

UG readers need to read more Lawarence Lessig if they want an inkling of what's going on with "intellectual property", & how increasingly futile it will be as the markets are always evolving towards what is more efficient, despite the state intervention & lawyer brigade screwing things up.

Then they should read some economics (don't worry, wikipedia is sufficient to prevent total ignorance), & the criticisms of intellectual property itself.

Or, you could just sit around in your mom's basement & bitch about :insert band name here: sucking, while not realizing how utterly useless your liberal arts degree will be when you finally get it.

Anyways, so what? Joe should be thanking Coldplay; he just got free publicity, free bitching space, free attention to his music, free sympathy, probably about 50 new fans who are downloading his sh*t off of waffles.fm, demonoid, or piratebay, & probably will see some amount of compensation from the band (who will probably do the grown up thing & just keep silent & pay this pest away), & proceed to spend that money on even more self-indulgent equipment for his guitars.

+1 It's a Business Management Degree for me XD

[MonsterOfRock]

Jau_Peacecraft wrote:

Satriani just lost my respect, what an idiot. He would've been better off making a sarcastic announcement concerning how Coldplay ripped off of him. At least then, he'd probably would've gotten dialogue started, & i wouldn't be surprised if Coldplay & joe eventually met up to discuss things outside of court.

What a fuc*ing child; you don't see David Bowie bitching & whining about people stealing chord progressions from his songs, do you? Nope, he's too busy working his ass off (despite a recent heart attack).

BTW, remember the Bruce Springsteen article on how he plagarized from the guy from who wrote 876-5309? No? Does it matter anyways? (Supposedly, Bruce ripped it off in the song "Radio Nowhere" off of Magic; I couldn't tell the difference despite being a composer myself).

Intellectual property does not exist, sorry folks. Get over it, get off your ass, & start dealing with the future.

Or, you could do what every other Tom Dick & Harry is doing, which is reinforcing the primitive concept of a monopoly over a vague concept such as an "idea", or "melody" (literal composition elements in notation excluded, but I doubt joe will get that technical & properly word his argument), further the law soup & red tape surrounding making music, of all things, & continue to fuel the RIAA way of doing things: extorting everyone & their grandma until you've managed to coerce your way back into the market by making people buy into your bullshit.

I could easily list a bunch of ****ing coincidences in music that, if they were recently discovered in this nanny state, over-reactionary, pacified age, would probably never see the light of day due to court proceedings & all sorts of heinous crap.

BTW, The Metal Gear Solid 2 Theme Song rips off of some random Russian composer, which no one knew about until a year or two ago when someone called into a radio show. Didn't know that? Ask yourself, does that really matter to you?

UG readers need to read more Lawarence Lessig if they want an inkling of what's going on with "intellectual property", & how increasingly futile it will be as the markets are always evolving towards what is more efficient, despite the state intervention & lawyer brigade screwing things up.

Then they should read some economics (don't worry, wikipedia is sufficient to prevent total ignorance), & the criticisms of intellectual property itself.

Or, you could just sit around in your mom's basement & bitch about :insert band name here: sucking, while not realizing how utterly useless your liberal arts degree will be when you finally get it.

Anyways, so what? Joe should be thanking Coldplay; he just got free publicity, free bitching space, free attention to his music, free sympathy, probably about 50 new fans who are downloading his sh*t off of waffles.fm, demonoid, or piratebay, & probably will see some amount of compensation from the band (who will probably do the grown up thing & just keep silent & pay this pest away), & proceed to spend that money on even more self-indulgent equipment for his guitars.

With all due respect to what the **** you are saying, I dont think you are Joe Satriani. If you had written a song off YOUR heart (if you have one) and some random idiot would rip it off you, you'd be pissed off.

Its not the same judgemental mind that you and I have as the outsider, as opposed to the artist that just got ripped off. Read my earlier post, I do agree with you.

[vandertramps]

the melody is not the same (its similar, but not identical)
and it lasts all of 31 seconds in a 6 and a half minuite long composition

the chord progression isn't even the same!

there is no case here

[webbtje]

Helpy Helperton wrote:

this is quite old, people have been mentioning this for ages. I'm not sure where I stand on this, on the one hand the parts do sound identical and satchs work was first, on the other should you be able to copyright a melody?

Of course you can copy a melody. That's the basis of the author's rights on his or her music.

Eh, I hear it buy I'm somewhat sceptical. Doesn't sound like it was intentional to me.

[webbtje]

^Copyright a melody, I mean.

[travislausch]

If Satch were smart, he would have arranged at least to put his name in the credits of the song, and maybe pushed to play some ripping leads all over it. I'd actually listen to Coldplay then...

[UNIe]

What?! That song has such a simple progression that I don't think anyone should make complaints of it being plagiarised. And besides, these two songs sound nothing alike. I thought Satriani was more sensible (or less money hungry) than that.

[JakoSnako]

lol, go satch, when ur writin an album, its proly good to make sure ur not rippin anyone off, or may be faced with this

[LaT3raluS]

I dunno about the similarities, but im pretty sure I like Satch´s song much much more XD!

[withoutanyname]

Music is getting repetitive, a lot of songs are getting similar to other ones... Just look at Green Day's Jesus Of Suburbia (City Of The Damned Chorus) and Bryan Adams' Summer Of '69 chorus, it's very similar... There are a lot of examples... I would be surprised that Coldplay were listening to Satch and said : " Oh that's a good song we could rip-off..."

[Helpy Helperton]

Jau_Peacecraft wrote:

Satriani just lost my respect, what an idiot. He would've been better off making a sarcastic announcement concerning how Coldplay ripped off of him. At least then, he'd probably would've gotten dialogue started, & i wouldn't be surprised if Coldplay & joe eventually met up to discuss things outside of court.

What a fuc*ing child; you don't see David Bowie bitching & whining about people stealing chord progressions from his songs, do you? Nope, he's too busy working his ass off (despite a recent heart attack).

BTW, remember the Bruce Springsteen article on how he plagarized from the guy from who wrote 876-5309? No? Does it matter anyways? (Supposedly, Bruce ripped it off in the song "Radio Nowhere" off of Magic; I couldn't tell the difference despite being a composer myself).

Intellectual property does not exist, sorry folks. Get over it, get off your ass, & start dealing with the future.

Or, you could do what every other Tom Dick & Harry is doing, which is reinforcing the primitive concept of a monopoly over a vague concept such as an "idea", or "melody" (literal composition elements in notation excluded, but I doubt joe will get that technical & properly word his argument), further the law soup & red tape surrounding making music, of all things, & continue to fuel the RIAA way of doing things: extorting everyone & their grandma until you've managed to coerce your way back into the market by making people buy into your bullshit.

I could easily list a bunch of ****ing coincidences in music that, if they were recently discovered in this nanny state, over-reactionary, pacified age, would probably never see the light of day due to court proceedings & all sorts of heinous crap.

BTW, The Metal Gear Solid 2 Theme Song rips off of some random Russian composer, which no one knew about until a year or two ago when someone called into a radio show. Didn't know that? Ask yourself, does that really matter to you?

UG readers need to read more Lawarence Lessig if they want an inkling of what's going on with "intellectual property", & how increasingly futile it will be as the markets are always evolving towards what is more efficient, despite the state intervention & lawyer brigade screwing things up.

Then they should read some economics (don't worry, wikipedia is sufficient to prevent total ignorance), & the criticisms of intellectual property itself.

Or, you could just sit around in your mom's basement & bitch about :insert band name here: sucking, while not realizing how utterly useless your liberal arts degree will be when you finally get it.

Anyways, so what? Joe should be thanking Coldplay; he just got free publicity, free bitching space, free attention to his music, free sympathy, probably about 50 new fans who are downloading his sh*t off of waffles.fm, demonoid, or piratebay, & probably will see some amount of compensation from the band (who will probably do the grown up thing & just keep silent & pay this pest away), & proceed to spend that money on even more self-indulgent equipment for his guitars.

Stopped reading after David Bowie, didn't he pretend that he was the guitarist in one of his songs when it was really SRV? Can't read the rest now, you are flawed

[Ibzman]

Ulalume wrote:

From what I see the only thing similar is the chord progression. He's suing over a chord progression? Lets let the guy who first used Cmaj to Am sue everyone in the world.

Satriani (and Coldplay) are over-rated and now just pushing the envelope to stupid.

Joe Satriani is overrated ? I'm sorry, but you sir are clearly not worth it. This is plain stupid.

[Helpy Helperton]

webbtje wrote:

Helpy Helperton wrote:

this is quite old, people have been mentioning this for ages. I'm not sure where I stand on this, on the one hand the parts do sound identical and satchs work was first, on the other should you be able to copyright a melody?

Of course you can copy a melody. That's the basis of the author's rights on his or her music.

Eh, I hear it buy I'm somewhat sceptical. Doesn't sound like it was intentional to me.

Where do you draw the line on copyrighting melody, you sound like your pulling answers from your ass. How many notes constitute a melody worthy of copyright? 2, 4, 6? Then how is anything ever original, now do you get my point.

[tushmeister]

Moreso there's a song on the album which sounds EXACTLY, and I mean nigh-on note for note, like Veteran of the Psychic Wars by Blue Oyster Cult, my friend had it on his iPod on shuffle and I jumped up and shouted 'The cult!?!' cause I didn't think he liked them, turned out to be Coldplay, not amused.

[hawk_kst]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I&feature=related
L isten to the third take when both songs go over each other.

[Aziraphale]

Meh, the chord progression is the same but the melody is pretty different. Chord progressions can't be copyrighted, music would be over in 2 weeks if people started copyrighting chord progressions. I'm a bit disappointed in Joe. And at the free publicity argument, I think Joe is pretty cemented with all guitarists by now, so I don't think he could get any more popular than he already is, unless he starts making vocal music.

[MonsterOfRock]

The opening of "Behind Blue Eyes by The Who and "Cemetary Gates" by Pantera sounds similar. But you don't see me not complaining!

Seriously though, Joe Rules and Coldplay sucks, but you don't see me not complaining!

[bloodwire2004]

Aziraphale wrote:

Meh, the chord progression is the same but the melody is pretty different. Chord progressions can't be copyrighted, music would be over in 2 weeks if people started copyrighting chord progressions. I'm a bit disappointed in Joe. And at the free publicity argument, I think Joe is pretty cemented with all guitarists by now, so I don't think he could get any more popular than he already is, unless he starts making vocal music.

If we could, I'd totally had dibs on the I, IV, V progressions like wildfire XDD

[Jau_Peacecraft]

Helpy Helperton wrote:

Jau_Peacecraft wrote:

Satriani just lost my respect, what an idiot. He would've been better off making a sarcastic announcement concerning how Coldplay ripped off of him. At least then, he'd probably would've gotten dialogue started, & i wouldn't be surprised if Coldplay & joe eventually met up to discuss things outside of court.

What a fuc*ing child; you don't see David Bowie bitching & whining about people stealing chord progressions from his songs, do you? Nope, he's too busy working his ass off (despite a recent heart attack).

BTW, remember the Bruce Springsteen article on how he plagarized from the guy from who wrote 876-5309? No? Does it matter anyways? (Supposedly, Bruce ripped it off in the song "Radio Nowhere" off of Magic; I couldn't tell the difference despite being a composer myself).

Intellectual property does not exist, sorry folks. Get over it, get off your ass, & start dealing with the future.

Or, you could do what every other Tom Dick & Harry is doing, which is reinforcing the primitive concept of a monopoly over a vague concept such as an "idea", or "melody" (literal composition elements in notation excluded, but I doubt joe will get that technical & properly word his argument), further the law soup & red tape surrounding making music, of all things, & continue to fuel the RIAA way of doing things: extorting everyone & their grandma until you've managed to coerce your way back into the market by making people buy into your bullshit.

I could easily list a bunch of ****ing coincidences in music that, if they were recently discovered in this nanny state, over-reactionary, pacified age, would probably never see the light of day due to court proceedings & all sorts of heinous crap.

BTW, The Metal Gear Solid 2 Theme Song rips off of some random Russian composer, which no one knew about until a year or two ago when someone called into a radio show. Didn't know that? Ask yourself, does that really matter to you?

UG readers need to read more Lawarence Lessig if they want an inkling of what's going on with "intellectual property", & how increasingly futile it will be as the markets are always evolving towards what is more efficient, despite the state intervention & lawyer brigade screwing things up.

Then they should read some economics (don't worry, wikipedia is sufficient to prevent total ignorance), & the criticisms of intellectual property itself.

Or, you could just sit around in your mom's basement & bitch about :insert band name here: sucking, while not realizing how utterly useless your liberal arts degree will be when you finally get it.

Anyways, so what? Joe should be thanking Coldplay; he just got free publicity, free bitching space, free attention to his music, free sympathy, probably about 50 new fans who are downloading his sh*t off of waffles.fm, demonoid, or piratebay, & probably will see some amount of compensation from the band (who will probably do the grown up thing & just keep silent & pay this pest away), & proceed to spend that money on even more self-indulgent equipment for his guitars.

Stopped reading after David Bowie, didn't he pretend that he was the guitarist in one of his songs when it was really SRV? Can't read the rest now, you are flawed

I'm pretty sure Bowie & SRV only had a disagreement on touring (wasn't this mentioned in the 83 release of the bowie w/ SRV rehearsals?), and SRV didn't end up going on tour. I don't remember reading a single thing about Bowie claiming to have playing guitar when SRV actually was :\ .

[Punkismygod]

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I&feature=related This is really obvious! It isn't something like it. I'ts EXACTLY like it!

[jpast]

You know how I know your gay, your suing Coldplay for copyright infringement. No but seriously, alot of Coldplay's melodies are similar to other bands, I always thought "In my place" had a similar sound to Radioheads "No Surprises" it happens.

[sofubar]

I prefer Coldplay's track.

[ctb]

VH4EVA wrote:

good i hope joe wins he's ****ing awesome. and colday are friggin gay.

Chris Martin has a wife. They aren't gay. You just don't like their music. I don't understand why Satriani fans are supporting him just because they think he's the better musician.

Suing people these days is getting out of hand.

[Jau_Peacecraft]

MonsterOfRock wrote:

With all due respect to what the **** you are saying, I dont think you are Joe Satriani. If you had written a song off YOUR heart (if you have one) and some random idiot would rip it off you, you'd be pissed off.

Its not the same judgemental mind that you and I have as the outsider, as opposed to the artist that just got ripped off. Read my earlier post, I do agree with you.

I might be pissed off, but I wouldn't act like a twat & sue the lame asses who ripped off of me at all. I don't care how much money they might make, if I did it at all, I would be the same as the RIAA, no matter how one might rationalize it all.

You have to remember the unintended consequences this leads to in terms of music being copyrighted, creativity being stunted (yes, it does get stunted by draconian copyright laws, if it didn't, the black & grey markets wouldn't have bothered responding with such an enormous success with torrents, downloading, P2P, etc.).

Joe could've easily done the same thing in calling Coldplay out, but he decided to be a greedy, materialistic bastard & put a price tag on his own work.

Whatever, he can do that, I don't care about what he does with his music; but monetary compensation is *not* the end all be all road regarding plagiarism, although it's easy to see why many think as the current old model of the music industry zombies on, crumbling every month.

I bet if Cobain were still alive to see all of this, he'd have an incentive to blow off his head regardless.

[Nathan_393]

I don't think this is really similar at all. I'm sorry, but that's total bs. "Oh my gosh they sound similar!" This won't fly in court. For crying out loud. It's not even a rip off.

Checked

[Grant_G]

dnt people know, everysong is part of another.everynote has been played before.. sometimes your gunna run into something that sounds familar or the same. As long as it snot the same chords progessions and same notes than leave it alone.. everyone has coppied some part of a riff and changed it into there own. Maybe using the first two notes of a riff.. Same thing..People just need to grow up and enjoy music for what it is.. (jus to let u kno i hate coldplay).

[thbeekk]

rasinañte wrote:

Why doesn't radiohead just join the suit then?

yeah really

[JimMRocks]

Ok, this is very interesting, check out....
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I&feature=r elated

Interesting how similiar they sound, Satch fits right into the song!! Funny, he doesn't really seem like someone who would take such heavy offense to something like this, whether it's coincidence or not. After all, there' plenty of songs out there that "suspiciously" sound the same. It' too close to call for me, but if you check out my group "Who/What's better" on UG, you can post your opinion. This is just my little group where we discuss different topics and share our opinions on all types of things music related. It should be interesting to see what everyone thinks. Hope to see you guys on there, it's a lot of fun.

[Shinozoku]

Helpy Helperton wrote:

this is quite old, people have been mentioning this for ages. I'm not sure where I stand on this, on the one hand the parts do sound identical and satchs work was first, on the other should you be able to copyright a melody? I don't know, but i wouldn't want to get sued in 10 years time for a song which i came up with on my own only later to find it sounds like another song (which i may never had heard before). Tough one

Melodies are copyrighted, chords are not

[TWISTEDFender]

abrancato85 wrote:

Leave Coldplay alone. Not that I'm a fan or anything but any band whether it be Coldplay or even Creed damn it, that can stop Lil Wayne from winning a grammy, we must be behind that band full force! At least until the grammys are over.

if you could comprehend anything, you'd know that they were second to lil wayne. so they didn't stop shit. even their shitty music can't beat the abomination that is lil wayne.

[tarlkea]

Jau_Peacecraft, are you ****ing retarded? It's obviously satch's management and his label, not him.

[str84ever]

Okay i haven't heard either of the songs so my opinion doesn't count for much but..

It is not kind of a coincidence that grammy nominations where yesterday and Satriani wasn't in it but Coldplay was for the instrumental award.

Then suddenly Satriani pulls out this lawsuit about them using instrumentals. Seems a bit like jealously but i haven't heard the songs so i dont know.

Besides i REALLY doubt Coldplay listen to Satriani.

[MonsterOfRock]

Jau_Peacecraft wrote:

MonsterOfRock wrote:

With all due respect to what the **** you are saying, I dont think you are Joe Satriani. If you had written a song off YOUR heart (if you have one) and some random idiot would rip it off you, you'd be pissed off.

Its not the same judgemental mind that you and I have as the outsider, as opposed to the artist that just got ripped off. Read my earlier post, I do agree with you.

I might be pissed off, but I wouldn't act like a twat & sue the lame asses who ripped off of me at all. I don't care how much money they might make, if I did it at all, I would be the same as the RIAA, no matter how one might rationalize it all.

You have to remember the unintended consequences this leads to in terms of music being copyrighted, creativity being stunted (yes, it does get stunted by draconian copyright laws, if it didn't, the black & grey markets wouldn't have bothered responding with such an enormous success with torrents, downloading, P2P, etc.).

Joe could've easily done the same thing in calling Coldplay out, but he decided to be a greedy, materialistic bastard & put a price tag on his own work.

Whatever, he can do that, I don't care about what he does with his music; but monetary compensation is *not* the end all be all road regarding plagiarism, although it's easy to see why many think as the current old model of the music industry zombies on, crumbling every month.

I bet if Cobain were still alive to see all of this, he'd have an incentive to blow off his head regardless.

Im pretty sure that its more the work of his lable than himself, i think it was more like, "Hey Joe, Coldplay ripped you off, what do you say we sue them?" and he's like "yea, whatever". But yea, whether it be Joe or his lable, I think the idea of sueing in this case is wrong. But hey, like I mentioned, we're only the outsider.

And who cares arout a dead guy with a drugged up girlfriend?

[Chatboy 91]

From what I've heard about Satch, I have a difficult time believing that he was the one who pushed for the law suit. He probably just accidentaly mentioned it when one of the guys from the record company and the guy cam over like "ZOMG YOU GOTTA SUE!" That's what I'm guessing anyways.

Of course these law suits are getting ridicuously out of hand but that's the world we live in. While there should be credit to those who came up with the original idea, there should be no other form of copyrights IMHO.

After all, the US first got it's start by taking patents from the UK and making them better, that's what it should be like now.

[Chatboy 91]

Er, let me rephrase the first part.

He probably just accidentaly mention it when one of the guys from the record comapny was nearby and the guy came over like "ZOMG YOU GOTTA SUE!"

[Azwethinkwedo]

Helpy Helperton wrote:

this is quite old, people have been mentioning this for ages. I'm not sure where I stand on this, on the one hand the parts do sound identical and satchs work was first, on the other should you be able to copyright a melody? I don't know, but i wouldn't want to get sued in 10 years time for a song which i came up with on my own only later to find it sounds like another song (which i may never had heard before). Tough one

i think you can copyright a minimum of 7 consecutive notes. but chord progressions you cannot copoyright

[sick&twisted]

To me Coldplay sound a lot like some Radiohead... except Radiohead is so much better

[Shredx]

I heard about this awhile back. I don't like coldplay and although the melody is pretty much ripped I do doubt it was intentional :/

[Shakalum]

not too much argument here, methinks. satch wrote a 4-chord progression like 10000 years ago, and the young guns in coldplay (who only do 4 chord progressions) by chance used the exact same progression.

gee. i wonder.

[vandertramps]

Punkismygod wrote:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I&feature= related This is really obvious! It isn't something like it. I'ts EXACTLY like it!

pull your head out of your ass
it is not EXACTLY the same

[broken circle]

henza_x wrote:

Holy shit, joe satriani is 52???

This is the thing that jumped out at me.

[[x]Huffy[x]]

Bit slow off the mark, aren't we Mr. Satriani?

[JackTheRipper12]

this happened with metallica with enter sandman too...

[Jau_Peacecraft]

tarlkea wrote:

Jau_Peacecraft, are you ****ing retarded? It's obviously satch's management and his label, not him.

Wanna bet Satriani never publicly clarifies that? I wonder why.

[liam177lewis]

good for satch, he works much harder than coldplay, and produces much better music. the coldplay song is like a lame version of satch's. i say good for him.

[SG Man Forever]

To people saying Joe is going low for suing them HE WASN'T THE ONE WHO COMMITTED PLAGIARISM. If someone stole your song, you would do the same thing, and don't pretend for a minute you wouldn't. Suing someone for stealing from you isn't low, stealing is low. The melody is a rip off, and if Joe wrote that melody, then Coldplay has no right to use it. When a band does a cover of a song on an album, they have to pay royalty to the writers.

Anyone who thinks Joe is somehow a bad person for being mad that he was stolen from is a huge hypocrite, because they would do the same ****ing thing.

[Tyler Durden]

I dont listen to either, so my unbiased opinion = Not a rip off

[Gormanilius]

its not that the rythm was copied(i didnt listen to that) but the melody was copied in the song. When you hear coldplay singing the song, and then listen to the meledy that satch performs, its pretty much the same thing. Im listening to it right now. I like both Coldplay and Satch, however. But the similarity just seems too similar.
And yes, Joe Satriani is 52. Sad how old many of the best musicians and actors seem to be these days.

[SG Man Forever]

Also, I had no idea Satch was that old. I thought he was in his mid 40s.

[shattamakar]

if cobain was still alive.....nobody would care..... ....oh yea and im sure the beginning of Breadfan by Metallica and Around the World by RHCP sound exactly the same.....even though the latter is on bass

[Yimes]

This might have been mentioned earlier here, but I don't think Joe wants the money. He probably wants them to admit that he made that melody and chord progression first.

[SG Man Forever]

shattamakar wrote:

if cobain was still alive.....nobody would care..... ....oh yea and im sure the beginning of Breadfan by Metallica and Around the World by RHCP sound exactly the same.....even though the latter is on bass

what the hell does cobain have to do with anything?

[Thefallofman]

There are only 12 notes in the world... obviously it's inevitable that you're copying someone, whether you know it or not.

[x]Huffy[x] wrote:

Bit slow off the mark, aren't we Mr. Satriani?

yeah, because the time between deciding to sue someone and actually doing it and then it coming out in the media is nonexistent right?

checked

[edbert]

Punkismygod wrote:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I&feature= related This is really obvious! It isn't something like it. I'ts EXACTLY like it!

I agree 100%, this is legit

Go Satch!

[tona_107]

wow it actually sounds exactly the same haha... i doubt that anyone in coldplay listens to satch though, and artists get their inspiration from a million different places, how was coldplay to know they were plagiarizing? chris martin could have heard some random whistling the tune on the bus and thought "that's sweet". this is coming from someone who dislikes coldplay.

[CTFOD]

Only about the first bar of each song sound similar.

I know that this being a guitar website, I'll get flamed to hell for this but, this is just another reason for me to dislike Joe Satriani.

"Some1 took sme notes frm me?!!1! onoes!!11!1"

[nileflows]

this sucks.

[Quicksand15]

well it really sounds the same...
i dont care if its plagiarised, for me its just obvious that coldplay are trying so hard to be less mainstream but they dont reach that goal...

[Quicksand15]

Thefallofman wrote:

There are only 12 notes in the world... obviously it's inevitable that you're copying someone, whether you know it or not.

actually its not that hard to write a song which does NOT sound like an other one...

[Ragnorak6000]

Its just coincidence really

[i_am_metalhead]

Wiegraf wrote:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI 0:35

Apparently written 2 years before Satriani's. >_< I love Satch, but this could turn around and kick him in the ass.

But how popular of an artist is Frances Limon? The thing here is a very popular artist (Satch) claims to have been ripped off by another very popular artist (Coldplay). How many people have actually heard the Frances Limon song?

I really don't know where I stand on this... I mean we wouldn't have a lot of today's music if artists hadn't ripped off other artists' music... but at the same time I would be pretty pissed off if I had written something and heard someone else use the same riff in one of their songs - coincidence or not, I would still be pretty pissed.

[goo94]

RichieJovie wrote:

hahahahahhahahahaha the only decent outcome is if the sentence is that Coldplay are never allowed to record again ever.

lol yeah, good call lol

[RockInPeaceDime]

Jau_Peacecraft wrote:

MonsterOfRock wrote:

With all due respect to what the **** you are saying, I dont think you are Joe Satriani. If you had written a song off YOUR heart (if you have one) and some random idiot would rip it off you, you'd be pissed off.

Its not the same judgemental mind that you and I have as the outsider, as opposed to the artist that just got ripped off. Read my earlier post, I do agree with you.

I might be pissed off, but I wouldn't act like a twat & sue the lame asses who ripped off of me at all. I don't care how much money they might make, if I did it at all, I would be the same as the RIAA, no matter how one might rationalize it all.

You have to remember the unintended consequences this leads to in terms of music being copyrighted, creativity being stunted (yes, it does get stunted by draconian copyright laws, if it didn't, the black & grey markets wouldn't have bothered responding with such an enormous success with torrents, downloading, P2P, etc.).

Joe could've easily done the same thing in calling Coldplay out, but he decided to be a greedy, materialistic bastard & put a price tag on his own work.

Whatever, he can do that, I don't care about what he does with his music; but monetary compensation is *not* the end all be all road regarding plagiarism, although it's easy to see why many think as the current old model of the music industry zombies on, crumbling every month.

I bet if Cobain were still alive to see all of this, he'd have an incentive to blow off his head regardless.

What the RIAA does isn't nearly the same as this. The RIAA takes action to protect record companies and record company CEOs. Satch is taking action to protect the integrity of artists not stealing other artists work and getting awards for it.

[tamargoguitar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I&feature=related

[TestMan6]

There is no such thing as plagiarism in music unless you are stealing their recordings. Who gives the crap if it sounds the same it is not the original person playing it is someone else playing it. Copyrights are retarded. What if someone copy righted all the chords. Ok now you can't play any song that has a G or A chord in it because you are copying someone. What a joke.

[justAdreamer]

henza_x wrote:

Holy shit, joe satriani is 52???

This.

[brentondig]

Coldplay were once talented. Now, I dunno. After seeing the vid that played both songs TOGETHER, I knew it was ripped off of Satch.

[Jau_Peacecraft]

RockInPeaceDime wrote:

Jau_Peacecraft wrote:

MonsterOfRock wrote:

With all due respect to what the **** you are saying, I dont think you are Joe Satriani. If you had written a song off YOUR heart (if you have one) and some random idiot would rip it off you, you'd be pissed off.

Its not the same judgemental mind that you and I have as the outsider, as opposed to the artist that just got ripped off. Read my earlier post, I do agree with you.

I might be pissed off, but I wouldn't act like a twat & sue the lame asses who ripped off of me at all. I don't care how much money they might make, if I did it at all, I would be the same as the RIAA, no matter how one might rationalize it all.

You have to remember the unintended consequences this leads to in terms of music being copyrighted, creativity being stunted (yes, it does get stunted by draconian copyright laws, if it didn't, the black & grey markets wouldn't have bothered responding with such an enormous success with torrents, downloading, P2P, etc.).

Joe could've easily done the same thing in calling Coldplay out, but he decided to be a greedy, materialistic bastard & put a price tag on his own work.

Whatever, he can do that, I don't care about what he does with his music; but monetary compensation is *not* the end all be all road regarding plagiarism, although it's easy to see why many think as the current old model of the music industry zombies on, crumbling every month.

I bet if Cobain were still alive to see all of this, he'd have an incentive to blow off his head regardless.

What the RIAA does isn't nearly the same as this. The RIAA takes action to protect record companies and record company CEOs. Satch is taking action to protect the integrity of artists not stealing other artists work and getting awards for it.

Bullshit. Suing people for money on the subjective basis of one song sounding vaugley like another (again, depends on the listener) is a bunch of crap, & I don't think this will stand up in court unless Satriani can literally take the notation of his song, compare it to Coldplay's, & pinpoint exactly how & where they supposedly plagiarized. I highly doubt he nor his label would bother doing such an analysis, & I smell (justifiably) a money grap from Joe.

If he wanted to take action to protect his integrity, he would be an honest humna being & talk with Coldplay about it, rather than suing them. Suing for "integrity" is an intellectual cop-out, & intellectual property only serves to protect those who are wealthy enough to litigate it (i.e. not the average listener/consumer/amature musicans/bands & artists starting out (Coldplay is in he category of being wealthy enough, assumingly, to litigate it).

If anyone wants to read on said problems of intellectual property, this is a good place to start:

"the problem is still privilege"
http://blog.6thdensity.net/?p=1020

[MegaRon]

Well, I can see the resemblance.

[Metal Demon 616]

those 3 minutes spent listening to coldplay were the most wasted 3 minutes of my life...

Im not sure if the riff is similar or not, but I'm not listening again!

[DimebagRob]

coldplay suck, I hope he sues them for everything theyve got.

[[travis]]

Well good for Satch. Coldplay's music is really all the same and they just suck badly. I hope Satch wins.

[Wesseem]

well..i've lost respect for this guy. i remember when this was first mentioned everyone was like "satch has so much class. He's all about the music and that's why he doesn't care about profits and sueing people."

Yea well..here we go. another money hungry *******. I could understand sueing them for a litl doh just to embarass coldplay and teach them a lesson. But no...it's money. what an *******

[Gormanilius]

CTFOD wrote:

Only about the first bar of each song sound similar.

I know that this being a guitar website, I'll get flamed to hell for this but, this is just another reason for me to dislike Joe Satriani.

"Some1 took sme notes frm me?!!1! onoes!!11!1"

Then you obviosly not listen to the remainder of both songs. When Martin starts singing, it sounds EXACTLY the same as the riff from Joe's Song.

[Just_Matt]

It does sound quite similar, but I dont think its a melody to be proud of, he probably just wants the money.

[Setabominae336]

If he's gonna sue coldplay he might as well sue creaky boards as well.

[irotinmyskin]

both songs suck... but it does sound very alike =)

[MOOSE_CCR99]

Go satch! anything to take those coldplay fruits down a peg

[vandertramps]

the part that sounds similar is such a small part of the song and they sound vastly different.
no one would confuse one for the other.

theres no way this holds up in court

[Tranzam]

Joe is fantastic but, this time he is clutching at straws Have a listen to Oasis how come they have not been sued they rip people off big time.
cigarretes and alcohol / get it on just one example

[Paderlinco]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I&feature=related


This should settle it, it actually sounds quite cool, but who knows if they realised what they were doin, but a pretty accurate mistake if thats the case

[srvkicks@$$]

GunsnRosesown wrote:

coincidence. I write songs that sound similar to a song i've heard before (or sometimes never heard before) sometimes too.

usually when that happens ive noticed that if youve heard the song before your mind kind of imprints on it and then when you start writing a song you will come up with riffs that sound similar or are practically the same or sometimes a mix of two completely different songs youve heard

and if you havent heard the song sometimes you just follow a rythm

and thats probably wat coldplay did they just followed a rythm they might have heard before and i think it would be easiest to accidently copy satch
seriously some of the rythms for the songs he invented are the most famous in the world like "motorcycle driver" or "crowd chant"

he should sue

[dfinch10]

This is coming from the guy with a song called "I Just Wanna Rock", possibly the biggest Twisted Sister rip off ever. Shut the hell up and go back to making pointless insturmental songs.

[bonjgday]

Satriani may the man when it comes to guitar but, this is stupid! Oasis didn't sue Green Day over Boulevard of Broken Dreams. Why should Satriani sue Coldplay? They do sound similar, I'll give him that, but how many songs have we heard that use the same Em, C, G, D progression?

[Jau_Peacecraft]

dfinch10 wrote:

This is coming from the guy with a song called "I Just Wanna Rock", possibly the biggest Twisted Sister rip off ever. Shut the hell up and go back to making pointless insturmental songs.

This +1

[G-loony]

Well anyway's Although the guitar may sound like it, I think they just should let each other go i mean c,mon.

Accusations Plagiarism is much more often then it used to be, I really think it should stop, There are so many different artists right now that it IS possible for a melody to get "copied"

Sorry but i think it's a little sad to see such a great guitarplayer do this though :\

[Timehbgood]

I read that satch saw mr. martin in the crowd at one of his shows and pointed him out, saying that he was honoured/honored for him to be there watching.

on youtube.. idk if it's true =(

[MoFly41]

Jau_Peacecraft wrote:

dfinch10 wrote:

This is coming from the guy with a song called "I Just Wanna Rock", possibly the biggest Twisted Sister rip off ever. Shut the hell up and go back to making pointless insturmental songs.

This +1

I third that.

there are similarities, yes. but did Coldplay intentionally rip off the song?

[JS5150]

They are both good artists and good songs. I think it was coincedental and they need to make peace and join to make one awesome track similar to this http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=J6uWfLKrr-s&feature=related&fm t=18

[mrheaphy]

....and he only complains after theyre nominated for 7 grammys.....loads of his music is terrible...and boring anyways

[eltravo]

...Nobody sued him for ripping off the Police to my knowledge.

[Wags7121]

good i fing hate coldplay

["Tele" Steve]

rasinañte wrote:

Why doesn't radiohead just join the suit then?

Or U2 for that matter.

[Divided_Eye]

dfinch10 wrote:

This is coming from the guy with a song called "I Just Wanna Rock", possibly the biggest Twisted Sister rip off ever. Shut the hell up and go back to making pointless insturmental songs.

this is probably the dumbest comment ive read so far. similar titles, but the songs are not alike at all.

im not sure this is a rip off satch, but that coldplay video is really, really, REALLY horrible.

[Pepefloydean]

I don't believe that Coldplay where so stupid to simpl copy the same melody and chord progression and change it of key. In my opinion melody sometimes may follow a natural pattern and although it is a great coincidence, it might happen. Music is limited and basic chord progressions are used and repeated by many many artists, so the possibility of building the same melody over a given chord progression is really possible. Im a big fan of satch and really dont like Coldplay btw.

[Jonn0]

In other news, Pachalbel sues Spiritualized, Green Day, Vitamin C, Dennis Lambert & Brian Potter, Belle & Sebastian, Blues Traveler, First Class, Coolio, Joe Jackson, Therapy Sisters, The Farm, Traditional, Mary-Kate and Ashley, Relient K, The Farm, The Polyphonic Spree, Happa-tai, Delerium, Aphrodite's Child, Lutricia McNeal, Paliament, Menelik, Libera, Ozone, Arianne, Susser Tod, Bob James and Brian Eno for copying Canon.

Satch has lost quite a bit of respect from me.

[red_hot_chili18]

Guitarism12 wrote:

Satch is god. Hes instantly right

+1 this.

[FretboardToAsh]

Old, I'd never have taken satch to bitch about this though.

[NightEmbers]

its a little section, come on dude you've written a hundred songs Im gonna guess somewhere along the line someone gonna use the same chord progression, This Suing thing is ridiculous

[ScarifiedIbanez]

Guitarism12 wrote:

Satch is god. Hes instantly right

lmao! +1

[in2thesun88]

RichieJovie wrote:

hahahahahhahahahaha the only decent outcome is if the sentence is that Coldplay are never allowed to record again ever.

never has a sentence been so true. I have always felt that Coldplay was just an unoriginal U2 ripoff (and I'm not much of a U2 fan either). Good for Satch, although it is rare that the person suing wins in these cases.

[MetalUpYourRear]

1) I really doubt that Satch is the one filing the lawsuit. Its probably just the label trying to make more free money.

2) Even if it is Satch, who cares? He deserves the credit. Everybody says things like "Satch is overrated. He is just another boring shredder." No he is not. He plays with more heart than almost any other musician I have ever heard. Do you have any idea how much time he has spent practicing to get to where he is now, just to have a bunch of little pricks try to put him in the same category as heartless shredders?

3) If you took the time to pour out your emotions into song form, then heard someone else using that EXACT melody in a song performed by less than mediocre musicians, you might be a bit offended. Everybody can use a little bit more money. Satch has worked so much harder than Coldplay, so I think he deserves more money. Especially since they're using HIS melody.

[NightEmbers]

Sorry For the double post but Im making a point

did Pink Floyd ever sue HIM, No! and this is way worse

Pink Floyd - High Hopes 2:48
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8ioavsW0tgI

HIM - Passions Killing Floor 37
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e769s8w_FqQ&feature=rel ated

you decide

[recliner33]

There's also some Indie band in NY I believe that says that viva la vida is almost the exact same as one of their songs. On a local radio station they played clips from both songs and they did kind of sound similar. Sure you could call it a coincidence once, but if satriani is also accusing them of ripping off music then maybe coldplay are a bunch of hacks. Plus in the past, Chris Martin even admitted to ripping off certain artists, I forget who he mentioned though.

[n8blake]

Ulalume wrote:

From what I see the only thing similar is the chord progression. He's suing over a chord progression? Lets let the guy who first used Cmaj to Am sue everyone in the world.

Satriani (and Coldplay) are over-rated and now just pushing the envelope to stupid.

abrancato85 wrote:

Leave Coldplay alone. Not that I'm a fan or anything but any band whether it be Coldplay or even Creed damn it, that can stop Lil Wayne from winning a grammy, we must be behind that band full force! At least until the grammys are over.

exactly what i thought! anything to stop lil wayne. i love the way you think. besides at least coldplay has guitars! lil wayen dusnt even use a guitar! for crying out loud!

[TK1]

Wiegraf wrote:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI 0:35

Apparently written 2 years before Satriani's. >_< I love Satch, but this could turn around and kick him in the ass.

ya, if satch says coldplay sounds like if i could fly, then they can say he sounds like those guys.

inspiration =/= plagarism

[EL2T]

MonsterOfRock wrote:

Jau_Peacecraft wrote:

Satriani just lost my respect, what an idiot. He would've been better off making a sarcastic announcement concerning how Coldplay ripped off of him. At least then, he'd probably would've gotten dialogue started, & i wouldn't be surprised if Coldplay & joe eventually met up to discuss things outside of court.

What a fuc*ing child; you don't see David Bowie bitching & whining about people stealing chord progressions from his songs, do you? Nope, he's too busy working his ass off (despite a recent heart attack).

BTW, remember the Bruce Springsteen article on how he plagarized from the guy from who wrote 876-5309? No? Does it matter anyways? (Supposedly, Bruce ripped it off in the song "Radio Nowhere" off of Magic; I couldn't tell the difference despite being a composer myself).

Intellectual property does not exist, sorry folks. Get over it, get off your ass, & start dealing with the future.

Or, you could do what every other Tom Dick & Harry is doing, which is reinforcing the primitive concept of a monopoly over a vague concept such as an "idea", or "melody" (literal composition elements in notation excluded, but I doubt joe will get that technical & properly word his argument), further the law soup & red tape surrounding making music, of all things, & continue to fuel the RIAA way of doing things: extorting everyone & their grandma until you've managed to coerce your way back into the market by making people buy into your bullshit.

I could easily list a bunch of ****ing coincidences in music that, if they were recently discovered in this nanny state, over-reactionary, pacified age, would probably never see the light of day due to court proceedings & all sorts of heinous crap.

BTW, The Metal Gear Solid 2 Theme Song rips off of some random Russian composer, which no one knew about until a year or two ago when someone called into a radio show. Didn't know that? Ask yourself, does that really matter to you?

UG readers need to read more Lawarence Lessig if they want an inkling of what's going on with "intellectual property", & how increasingly futile it will be as the markets are always evolving towards what is more efficient, despite the state intervention & lawyer brigade screwing things up.

Then they should read some economics (don't worry, wikipedia is sufficient to prevent total ignorance), & the criticisms of intellectual property itself.

Or, you could just sit around in your mom's basement & bitch about :insert band name here: sucking, while not realizing how utterly useless your liberal arts degree will be when you finally get it.

Anyways, so what? Joe should be thanking Coldplay; he just got free publicity, free bitching space, free attention to his music, free sympathy, probably about 50 new fans who are downloading his sh*t off of waffles.fm, demonoid, or piratebay, & probably will see some amount of compensation from the band (who will probably do the grown up thing & just keep silent & pay this pest away), & proceed to spend that money on even more self-indulgent equipment for his guitars.

With all due respect to what the **** you are saying, I dont think you are Joe Satriani. If you had written a song off YOUR heart (if you have one) and some random idiot would rip it off you, you'd be pissed off.

Its not the same judgemental mind that you and I have as the outsider, as opposed to the artist that just got ripped off. Read my earlier post, I do agree with you.

Dude, if Coldplay thought one of MY songs were worth copying, I'd die happy...

[Vin2254]

recliner33 wrote:

There's also some Indie band in NY I believe that says that viva la vida is almost the exact same as one of their songs. On a local radio station they played clips from both songs and they did kind of sound similar. Sure you could call it a coincidence once, but if satriani is also accusing them of ripping off music then maybe coldplay are a bunch of hacks. Plus in the past, Chris Martin even admitted to ripping off certain artists, I forget who he mentioned though.

you contradicted yourself. how could he have stolen the same song from two different artists?

[codythomas117]

It's no big deal. I love Satch, but Coldplay would most likely win this case. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't steal a song either. Especially from Joe Satriani.

Way too random.

[qotsa1998]

This is rather ridiculous. When you have so many different artists out there, and you also have a simple melody, chances are someones gonna come up with something similar at one point or another. Its kinda like if Coheed and Cambria sued Hawthorne Heights because they think the intro to Saying Sorry sounds like the intro to A Favor House Atlantic. And either way, music isnt worth sueing over to me. Unless the rip-off is blatant and obvious, dont waste the time or money if you lose.

[adingdong]

satriani = douche

coldplay sound much better than him, imo.

[ScarifiedIbanez]

dfinch10 wrote:

This is coming from the guy with a song called "I Just Wanna Rock", possibly the biggest Twisted Sister rip off ever. Shut the hell up and go back to making pointless insturmental songs.

lets see you write one of these"pointless instrumental songs" with as much feeling and guitar chops as satch.

[H_ngm_n]

adingdong wrote:

satriani = douche

coldplay sound much better than him, imo.

You know how I know you're gay!? Cause you listen to coldplay!!!!!

Satch is the man and I think it sounds a lot alike and I'd be pissed if I were him too.

[TDAJGuitarist]

Oh come on Satch...I love you man but seriously, this is dumb....

YES the parts sound alike but in music...That happenes ALL THE TIME...Its called influence...Or its just a coincidence...Either way, its just part of music...For a 52 year old...You would think that you would be grown up enough to figure that out for yourself...

BTW...I hate Coldplay...So you know that Satch is WAY in the wrong if I am taking their side over his...

[slomoslam]

I'm not 100% convinced, but that sounds like the same song to me. Well, one thing that is very certain in this is the fact that Coldplay really sucks. Thats the kind of music you listen to when are about to kill yourself and you want to make sure you don't chicken out at the last second.
PS-Don't kill yourself, please.

[metal-murnanes]

Blown WAAAAAY to far out of proportion, but if it does happen ill be backing satch

[ApexGT]

Personally, I don't think that Coldplay knowingly copied Satch's song. They are two completely different genres and I doubt that the band regularly looks to instrumentals from guitar virtuosos for inspiration. I like both artists, but think that Satch is overreacting.

I also hate the current state of affairs in this country. Artists look to discredit fellow artists because their songs sound similar at certain parts and push lawsuits in an attempt to gain money and recognition (two things neither Coldplay or Satch truly need more of). Maybe I'm naive, but rather than pursue a lawsuit, wouldn't it be cool if Satch approached Coldplay about the similarity and asked to play with them at a couple shows? As evidenced by the YouTube video of the two songs superimposed, they really sound quite awesome together. Why not foster a general sense of acceptance and musicianship rather than tear down another artist in a possible attempt to ride on the coattails of their success? Satch is better than this.

[matty o buckles]

henza_x wrote:

Holy shit, joe satriani is 52???

thats what i said!

[Shinsen88]

Hmm... Well I'm leaning towards coincidence. But who knows? I don't think Satch would sue if he didn't think they did it on purpose. I doubt he's doing it just for the money.

[Jau_Peacecraft]

ScarifiedIbanez wrote:

dfinch10 wrote:

This is coming from the guy with a song called "I Just Wanna Rock", possibly the biggest Twisted Sister rip off ever. Shut the hell up and go back to making pointless insturmental songs.
lets see you write one of these"pointless instrumental songs" with as much feeling and guitar chops as satch.

no u, lul.

[theamnesiac]

Didn't someone else recently accuse Coldplay of ripping off one of their songs for Viva La Vida? How could Coldplay rip off Satch when they already ripped off someone else?

[Musefan161]

Instead of fighting, coldplay should fire their guitar player and hire Satch! Problem solved, and that would be a kick-ass group.

[Otnip]

It's funny going through this comments and seeing people take sides based only on the fact they hate one of the artists or love the other one.

I say we should develop some more musical respect and look at this in a fair and honest way. I admit to not liking a lot of music and sometimes being vocal about it, but when two people are on trial you don't pick favorites (think racism in the early-mid ninties in america for a good analogy...)

[kryzay311]

CPace wrote:

I honestly don't think coldplay listens to joe satriani. It's a pretty simple melody it's probably just a coincidence.

it's really not a simple melody, there's lots of syncopation that seems like it would be pretty tricky to coincidentally duplicate. plus the fact that the song is in the same key using the same chords doesn't really help Coldplay

[Otnip]

these comments*

[Otnip]

kryzay311 wrote:

CPace wrote:

I honestly don't think coldplay listens to joe satriani. It's a pretty simple melody it's probably just a coincidence.

it's really not a simple melody, there's lots of syncopation that seems like it would be pretty tricky to coincidentally duplicate. plus the fact that the song is in the same key using the same chords doesn't really help Coldplay

It's not in the same key, the chords are capo'd at the first fret.

[Drummer182]

I dont think it really matters cause everyone knows coldplay is the gential wartz on americas ball sack, they just wont go away and they are always bugging us

[1201ZJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3kytzHrKpo satch wins definately!

[mepmep]

I wrote songs that sounded exactly like Dyer's Eve by Metallica, and I wrote one of the Eruption progressions just on accident, and then I was pissed that they were already songs.

Lets just sue every metal band for copying Black Sabbath. Or lets sue kiss for copying Alice cooper. Or Nile for copying the Egyptians. And every blues artist to use th 1-4-5 progression. Or Ywingie Malsteem for copying violinists. Or any musician for playing music.

It's probably just a coincidence.

Besides, since Satch isn't setting out to be popular or famous (since he's an instrumentalist), why would he care about Coldplay.

Anyway, I think that Satch is overrated theres better instrumentalists than him. And Coldplay is awesome, you just don't think so cause they're famous now, which kinda sucks.

[David_Bowie=GOD]

this is funny.

I also just realized why i dont like coldplay. I hate U2, and since people compare them it makes sense now that i hate coldplay too.

[mercedesisbenz]

I don't understand why any of you are siding with coldplay, why would Joe Satriani come out with this out of the blue? I can't really see him sitting around with nothing better to do than to sue coldplay.

[LasPlagas]

Musefan161 wrote:

Instead of fighting, coldplay should fire their guitar player and hire Satch! Problem solved, and that would be a kick-ass group.

Keep their guitar as a rhythm guitarist. That would be awesome. I love Coldplay and Joe, and I'm not sure what to think as far as copyright infringement goes. Maybe coincidence? Regardless I agreed 100% when you say they should just join together. Man just imagine how great that would be! Beats the crap out of "Chickenfoot".

[Drummer182]

mercedesisbenz wrote:

I don't understand why any of you are siding with coldplay, why would Joe Satriani come out with this out of the blue? I can't really see him sitting around with nothing better to do than to sue coldplay.

True that but honestly I want their plane to hit something very very hard

[username94]

If he wins,"any and all profits," he will come into a sh*t load of money. Especially because it was the hit single of the album and the iTunes/iPod commercial.

Checked

[stoubora]

There's no way Coldplay copied him. I mean really Chris Martin and the rest of his wet band probably have never heard of Satriani. Their a chords band Joe get over it, I can write a song tonight with the same chord progression and make it sound different, am I looking to copy you ..NO!

I went and saw Satch live recently in my home town and he really has lost the plot. His new album sucked balls. He's like going through a mid life crisis or something. In my opinion, he hasn't written anything decent since the Crystal Planet album. If he wasn't busy being a knob and wasting time sueing Coldplay he might get some balls and write a good album.

[jcthomasva]

He's probably not wasting his time. These guys and their labels all have attorneys that investigate potential suits and do the filing. Satriani never steps into a courtroom. God bless our hyper-litigious system.

[Soul-Monger]

stoubora wrote:

There's no way Coldplay copied him. I mean really Chris Martin and the rest of his wet band probably have never heard of Satriani. Their a chords band Joe get over it, I can write a song tonight with the same chord progression and make it sound different, am I looking to copy you ..NO!

I went and saw Satch live recently in my home town and he really has lost the plot. His new album sucked balls. He's like going through a mid life crisis or something. In my opinion, he hasn't written anything decent since the Crystal Planet album. If he wasn't busy being a knob and wasting time sueing Coldplay he might get some balls and write a good album.

He still shits all over you and me, though. Honest.

[Otnip]

Drummer182 wrote:

mercedesisbenz wrote:

I don't understand why any of you are siding with coldplay, why would Joe Satriani come out with this out of the blue? I can't really see him sitting around with nothing better to do than to sue coldplay.

True that but honestly I want their plane to hit something very very hard

Wow, death threats to musicians just because they play music you don't like. Very mature. Glad to see you made an account to take a dump on a artist that did nothing to you, and advocates (10% of their income is donated) for many non profit organizations to helping reduce poverty in countries such as Africa.

[corrie_911]

RichieJovie wrote:

hahahahahhahahahaha the only decent outcome is if the sentence is that Coldplay are never allowed to record again ever.

exactly what i was thinking.

[Otnip]

Okay, not a death threat, perhaps a death wish is more accurate.

[ILoveGuitar07]

Deathsdoor99 wrote:

There isn't much of a case here, plus I couldn't see Satch filing a law suit against anyone - he doesn't seem like that type of guy. This is all rumours.

satch is a great guy...doesn't sound like satch, but it could be?

Either way, Satch is AMAZING!!

[webbtje]

stoubora wrote:
If he wasn't busy being a knob and wasting time sueing Coldplay he might get some balls and write a good album.

Pretty sure he will employ a lawyer. You know, that's their job.

[quote=Helpy Helperton]Where do you draw the line on copyrighting melody, you sound like your pulling answers from your ass. How many notes constitute a melody worthy of copyright? 2, 4, 6? Then how is
anything ever original, now do you get my point.[/quote]

Again, this is what the court is for. It will decide. That's the point of the lawsuit. It's not a case of Satch going DIS MY SONG LULZ and Coldplay going O YE SRY LOL.

[quote=Jau_Peacecraft ]Intellectual property does not exist, sorry folks. Get over it, get off your ass, & start dealing with the future.[/quote]

Funny that, every single lawyer I know (I'm a law student, that's quite a few) would just stare at you if you made that comment. No such thing as intellectual property? All right then, I'm gonna go and copy Harry Potter out and sell it as something I've done myself, and give JK Rowling no credit or money.

[mjones1992]

Wiegraf wrote:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI 0:35

Apparently written 2 years before Satriani's. >_< I love Satch, but this could turn around and kick him in the ass.

damn straight. those are identical.

[whitebluesboy]

Satch look like Devo's emo little brother in this picture

[BobMarleysGhost]

If I were Joe, I would simply push to be allowed to record some monster leads on top of the Coldplay song.

Although, didn't basically all of the blues greats "borrow" licks from each other? I'm told it was sort of done as a tribute to each of their heroes...

There's a famous blues lick that BB King used in basically every solo that was directly copied from T-Bone Walker, which was also used by Chuck Berry in Johnny B. Goode, then got passed down to SRV and Hendrix.

In the words of Larry Carlton - "It's not stealing, it's simply carrying on the tradition of these marvelous musicians"

[Bucketheadroolz]

guys 52 is not even old. Thats half of a hundred. But all the classic rock musicians are 60 ish and people like robert plant complain that they cant perform like they used to. Satch puts on one hell of a show and he's not much younger

[Gormanilius]

MetalUpYourRear wrote:

1) I really doubt that Satch is the one filing the lawsuit. Its probably just the label trying to make more free money.

2) Even if it is Satch, who cares? He deserves the credit. Everybody says things like "Satch is overrated. He is just another boring shredder." No he is not. He plays with more heart than almost any other musician I have ever heard. Do you have any idea how much time he has spent practicing to get to where he is now, just to have a bunch of little pricks try to put him in the same category as heartless shredders?

3) If you took the time to pour out your emotions into song form, then heard someone else using that EXACT melody in a song performed by less than mediocre musicians, you might be a bit offended. Everybody can use a little bit more money. Satch has worked so much harder than Coldplay, so I think he deserves more money. Especially since they're using HIS melody.

Here is what I am seeing alot of on these comments. "copied the rhythm". Thats not what it is really about here people. Its about the Melody.

Think about it this way. What if someone had a part in their song that sounded just like Guns n' Roses "Sweet Child o Mine" It is immediatly going to be identified as blatant plagarism. However, being that Satriani is not mainstream like coldplay, many here have not even analyzed the 2 songs. The melody that satch made in his song, is the SAME EXACT melody of Martin's voice. Listen to both. Dont be a pansy and only listen to the first few seconds of Joe's song and then the whole coldplay song. This IS plagarism. It is very obvious.
Albeit that the writer ion coldplay could have just heard someone whistleing it, but that still doesnt make it ok.
Although Im not so sure sueing for all profits made from Viv la vida was the best course of action for Satch to do, he at least deserves a large percent of royalty payment.

[hiddeninromance]

It's the first coldplay song, and only coldplay song i've liked

[dethead666]

i bet a shitload of coldplay's fans are saying who's joe satriani?

[Anjohl]

Satch is a never-was who can only earn money by this kind of thihg, but he IS right. The coldplay song DISTINCTLY uses his entire melody, no argument agaisnt it.

[hiddeninromance]

I am going to bump this guys link...not many people have made reference to it....

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI

a band that used the same melody two years before satch :O
controversy

[MetalGear1786]

I actually do hear it. But seriously come on its a good song, share Joe!

[seek_&_destroy]

OMG FINALLY

this was my first thought when i heard viva la vida...

[Jau_Peacecraft]

hiddeninromance wrote:

I am going to bump this guys link...not many people have made reference to it....

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI

a band that used the same melody two years before satch :O
controversy

Bumped.

[pinkfloydian88]

I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but there are many songs from "Viva la Vida" that sound just like some of Freddie mercury's solo work

[Pat_s1t]

Yes...finally. Satch finally got around to it.

[archangelseren]

whatever he played with funtwo. why?

[WhereArtEsteban]

I don't really think you should be able to sue for melody similarities. I don't know. I mean it just seems like they're complaining because their song didn't make as much money usually...

[BenjaminFields]

Give me a break. Joe Satriani...? He's a joke. He's contributed absolutely nothing to music. Nothing emotionally or artistically viable. As far as the homeboys he schooled...well, they took the ball and ran with it. And cmon, if consciously stolen from Satriani then they put it to MUCH BETTER use.

[Bigshoutout]

cripes, Viva La Vida doesnt even use a dam guitar.

And CP's song has far far more going on than Satchs.

It's a simple chord progression and it climbs because thats what songs that express a flying over feeling do.

[jason white]

psht why did he wait so long after it came out as a single? he simply wants money what a tool

[Machine Gun Cat]

I hope he sues their asses off I hate coldplays guts and it's time they face the consequences for their lack of creativity

[Iliaz]

Finally someone mentions that! Coldplay are the greates Music-Thief's today (even with all that copyright shit) cause they make a assheap of dough with it. Its just cause they're considered "hip", that no one talks about that fact.

[Dave_Mc]

after listening to both, it's a blatant rip-off. satriani ftw!

[dethead666]

BenjaminFields wrote:

Give me a break. Joe Satriani...? He's a joke. He's contributed absolutely nothing to music. Nothing emotionally or artistically viable. As far as the homeboys he schooled...well, they took the ball and ran with it. And cmon, if consciously stolen from Satriani then they put it to MUCH BETTER use.

jason white wrote:Your a ****ing loser

psht why did he wait so long after it came out as a single? he simply wants money what a tool

More then likely satriani has no part in this and his lawyers are sueing and how famous was coldplay back then?

[Bigshoutout]

I think its so dumb how the slagging off of Coldplay is pretty much exactly equal to that of Sacho.

They both make passionate music, they both do it in equal ways.

fact is if everyone liked Coldplay and was as sensitive as Chris we wouldnt be having this discussion, nor would we all be such twats.

[vandertramps]

do any of you idiots know what the words identical or exact mean?

[vandertramps]

Bigshoutout wrote:

I think its so dumb how the slagging off of Coldplay is pretty much exactly equal to that of Sacho.

They both make passionate music, they both do it in equal ways.

fact is if everyone liked Coldplay and was as sensitive as Chris we wouldnt be having this discussion, nor would we all be such twats.

well said

[51VH50]

theyre similar but not enough to matter. **** coldplay tho. i cannot ****ing stand them. quite possibly one of todays worst bands.

[vandertramps]

51VH50 wrote:

theyre similar but not enough to matter. **** coldplay tho. i cannot ****ing stand them. quite possibly one of todays worst bands.

come on, i think of a lot of bands that are way worse than coldplay

and this is coming from a guy who absolutely hated x&y

[Bertallica]

Satch and Coldplay aside. Do you think it's fair if someone were able to take your music, record it, call it their own, profit off it & win awards for writting it.

If Satch losses this case then that opens up everyone to steal any instrumental and call it their own. These lawsuits set persidences for all future lawsuits that are similar.

[vandertramps]

Bertallica wrote:

Satch and Coldplay aside. Do you think it's fair if someone were able to take your music, record it, call it their own, profit off it & win awards for writting it.

If Satch losses this case then that opens up everyone to steal any instrumental and call it their own. These lawsuits set persidences for all future lawsuits that are similar.

are you kidding me?
do you seriously think this is the first time something like this has happened?
trust me, the world of music is not going to be made or broken on this case

jason white wrote:

psht why did he wait so long after it came out as a single? he simply wants money what a tool

can you put together a case in 24 hours?

ever think it might not have come top his attention immediately?

ever think he debated in his mind whether or not to sue?

you don't know what happened, neither do I. all you know is that the legal proceedings have been made public recently. you don't know how long this has been in the making or how long satch has been aware of the similarity.

[eltravo]

If this we're valid then every blues musician could essentially sue the drap out of every other blues musician that ever existed lol.

[eltravo]

Iliaz wrote:

Finally someone mentions that! Coldplay are the greates Music-Thief's today (even with all that copyright shit) cause they make a assheap of dough with it. Its just cause they're considered "hip", that no one talks about that fact.

So...They're Led Zeppelin?

[pinkfloydian88]

come on people, Roger water did not sued Andrew Lloyd Webber after he stole "Echoes" and Roger Waters is a way better and brighter legend that Satriani; I think he is overreacting.

[pinkfloydian88]

eltravo wrote:

Iliaz wrote:

Finally someone mentions that! Coldplay are the greates Music-Thief's today (even with all that copyright shit) cause they make a assheap of dough with it. Its just cause they're considered "hip", that no one talks about that fact.

So...They're Led Zeppelin?

hahahahaha
Good one eltravo zeppelin sucks

[vandertramps]

eltravo wrote:

Iliaz wrote:

Finally someone mentions that! Coldplay are the greates Music-Thief's today (even with all that copyright shit) cause they make a assheap of dough with it. Its just cause they're considered "hip", that no one talks about that fact.

So...They're Led Zeppelin?

no, they're bob dylan

[eltravo]

pinkfloydian88 wrote:

eltravo wrote:

Iliaz wrote:

Finally someone mentions that! Coldplay are the greates Music-Thief's today (even with all that copyright shit) cause they make a assheap of dough with it. Its just cause they're considered "hip", that no one talks about that fact.

So...They're Led Zeppelin?

hahahahaha
Good one eltravo zeppelin sucks

Lol I love Zep but i do agree with all the claims of them ripping off songs, I mean, it's bound to happen. there are only twelve notes, and only so many tempos and arrangements. I give Kudos to Coldplay for going a little outside the box with the orchestration of their song. Overall I think Joe should back off for the good of his career, I mean does he want his latest achievement to be following in Lars Ulrich's douche-covered footsteps?

[1010]

I think that the problem isn't that they are copying his song. I think the biggest problem is that that they are nominated for awards for said song. Since the two songs do sound very similar, why should coldplay win anything for it when Joe didn't for basically the same song.

[Gilbert666]

yea mabey they even looked back and said wow it does sound alike (coldplay looked back) i have done this whith my band never even hearing the music but having riffs sound like could be a mistake on colplays part not copying, lay it easy satch jeez

[aznrockerdude]

Maybe they just accidentally copied everything? I'm not sure what to think of that though, because the tempo/chord progression sound really close...

[KennethJay]

Wow, it really does sound kinda the same

[Sound Mind]

I just listened to the Satriani song; things don't look too good for Coldplay.

[Rajah]

Wiegraf wrote:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI 0:35

Apparently written 2 years before Satriani's. >_< I love Satch, but this could turn around and kick him in the ass.

From what I found the original of that song came out in 2001 and Satch's song came out in 2004. I think Satch's song sounds a lot like that one rather than Coldplay sounding like Satch.
I love Satriani, but this is a little over the top.

Jimmy Page and Eddie Van Halen may as well sue every rock band from the 80's and 90's then.

[Brendan.Clace]

This is the exact same rhythm and the exact same melody.

Satch is WELL within his rights to go ahead with this case. Open and closed...but I am sure they will settle out of court.

[Filip413]

im not a coldplay fan but i really hope Satriani doesn't go ahead with this, the guys a super guitarist and genuinely humble dude, suing coldplay would only help diminish his popularity.

[Guitarfreak777]

I'm sure if you took an analyzed every song by every artist, you would have thousands of lawsuits claiming "they stole that from me, I wrote it first" kind of stuff.

People unintentionally copy others all the time, what you have to ask yourself is, is it worth bringing up? Did it hurt you in away way?

I'm sure if Satriani just contacted Coldplay and show them this similarity they might consider putting him as an influence or something, so his name gets credit where credit is due. But to sue for all profits made by that song, for that little bit in it, is outrageous and a waste of a court's time.

[thycrusader]

ok wow so two completely different artists just happened to use the same 2-3 notes and a slightly different tempo.

let it go satch.

[conquistador]

I love satch but this is pretty dumb.

You don't see jimmy page suing the foo fighters because the first 9 notes of the pretender are the exact first 9 notes of stairway to heaven and played the exact same way

[Slash181]

tbh i like coldplay and i love learnin satch's guitar work....but my personal opinion is that yeh tbh coldplay seem they have taken the exact tempo, chord progression, key of the song and melody....people are like ah its just coincence! how, bit too similar on so many different accounts. people here are defending there favourite artists, no. you should be open minded and wake up to see that yeh they should be sued.
sorry for my opinion, i do like em both but be honest to urself.
heres a vid ive seen which actually helps.....

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I&feat ure=related

Steve

[blasphemus666]

i hate coldplay anyway.

[Exxol]

yay satriani

boo coldplay

[Iriathz]

Ulalume wrote:

From what I see the only thing similar is the chord progression. He's suing over a chord progression? Lets let the guy who first used Cmaj to Am sue everyone in the world.

Satriani (and Coldplay) are over-rated and now just pushing the envelope to stupid.

Well, a large portion of Satch's melody is identical to that of Chris Martin's singing. AND, the songs both have exactly the same timing - a little suspicious.

I, in my opinion, reckon that Coldplay stole it, but we'll be able to see in the future if this is the case when there is more evidence.

[darksauce]

I highly doubt that Joe would be the one suing, i agree that it's probably the recording label pushing for profits

[rebreh]

Never compare coldplay to U2. U2 is actually a rock band, coldplay are more like N'sync

[Dave_Mc]

conquistador wrote:

I love satch but this is pretty dumb.

You don't see jimmy page suing the foo fighters because the first 9 notes of the pretender are the exact first 9 notes of stairway to heaven and played the exact same way

probably because jimmy page is no stranger to being sued for plagiarism either... :haha

also, the timing of the lawsuit: as lemoninfluence correctly says (for some reason, i can't quote his post ), lawsuits take time to put together.

Also, it's possible that he would have let it go, but then they got nominated for a load of grammies. That'd be annoying.

[Morning_Star53]

The chord progression is definately the same and the melody is quite similar =/.....both good songs either way lol

[nalyd]

eltravo wrote:

If this we're valid then every blues musician could essentially sue the drap out of every other blues musician that ever existed lol.

Suing a blues musician is not going to get you rich.

And the amount of stupidity here is almost painful. Get over your idiotic "satch is awesome, coldplay are faggots, so satch should win". The melodies share one similar bar, there isn't nearly enough to win a case. It's a total overreaction and he should just drop it.

[Shredder666]

Someone has got to set things straight here!

OK, some people are saying Joe doesn't have the right to sue over that one melody.

THIS IS A DIFFERENT STORY! If you listen to both songs at the exact same time (there's a video on YouTube), you will see that Coldplay used the EXACT SAME TEMPO, the EXACT SAME CHORD PROGRESSION, and a VERY SIMILAR MELODY.

Now Coldplay is already rich, and it disgusts me to see them do this. Joe deserves every penny he demands. He's the one with actual talent. He doesn't care about money, the only thing he cares about is to share his art with the world, but Coldplay tried to strip him from that. Shame on you Coldplay, and shame on you Chris Martin!

[wasp2020]

I don't care if they sound similar or not, I don't want bad PR for Joe, he's the last person to deserve it, and the last person to care about these things. He was DEFINITELY pressured into it by his legal team, no doubt about it.

[fastlanestoner]

satch wins this one

[ArcherTheVMan]

Helpy Helperton wrote:

this is quite old, people have been mentioning this for ages. I'm not sure where I stand on this, on the one hand the parts do sound identical and satchs work was first, on the other should you be able to copyright a melody? I don't know, but i wouldn't want to get sued in 10 years time for a song which i came up with on my own only later to find it sounds like another song (which i may never had heard before). Tough one

the thing is melodies are copyrighted quite strictly, i think it's something like if you use 4 or more bars from a copyrighted song without permission it's plagiarism... so he does have a fairly strong reason for doing it.

[drunkinkoala]

Damn j satch looks good for a 52 year old.

[ChapelHeel66]

I'm not a huge fan of either artist, but why come down hard on Joe? He has a copyrighted work( a concept that for some reason is foreign to the 20-something generation when it comes to music). To protect his rights he has to police it. It isn't necessarily just a money grab. It's an artist thing, and a legal requirement for him to protect his property.

And it isn't just a chord progression. It's the melody for the vocals. I'm not saying it's "stolen" but Satriani is well within his rights.

[radioplay]

was i the only one in awe that hes 52?

[wasp2020]

SurfinWithSatch wrote:

Aftertime wrote:

i couldn't really see Satch as the kind of guy that would sue.
Having met Satch and his manager in the past I really don't think that Satch is the main driving force pushing this lawsuit forward. I'm like 85% sure that the main people responsible for pushing this lawsuit are Satch's management team and record label, lets not forget that they too will have lost out on money if it has indeed been illegally copied and we all know how "greedy" record labels can be.
Joe is a simple man with a simple life, he doesn't walk down redcarpets or go on TV show after TV show after never ending TV show because he doesn't want to.

EXACTLY

[slashsnakepit15]

So, does this mean that Nickelback can sue themselves??

[acade365]

conquistador wrote:

I love satch but this is pretty dumb.

You don't see jimmy page suing the foo fighters because the first 9 notes of the pretender are the exact first 9 notes of stairway to heaven and played the exact same way

it would be a very ironic situation if page/zeppelin sued ANYONE for stealing melodies, given that more than half of their music catalogue was taken from old folk, traditional and even tango songs ( and i do like zep :P).

To stay on topic, I must say that there are some similarities between the two songs, but they're not "exactly the same" as some said:
-different key.
-only some parts of the melody are similar, and you can't avoid that given that only 12 notes exist.

and, most important of all, if satch sues coldplay for ripping his song off, he should be sued for ripping the enanitos verdes song, frances limon (written two years before of If I Could Fly). Those ARE nearly the same guitar riffs (refer to this video: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI).

[Jk3y]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=w3kytzHrKpo
I'm disappointed in coldplay...its true

[tmfiore]

Lol it sounds exacly like it.

[Ricky4635]

People will sue for anything.

[Jawshuwa]

Jau_Peacecraft wrote:

Satriani just lost my respect, what an idiot. He would've been better off making a sarcastic announcement concerning how Coldplay ripped off of him. At least then, he'd probably would've gotten dialogue started, & i wouldn't be surprised if Coldplay & joe eventually met up to discuss things outside of court.

What a fuc*ing child; you don't see David Bowie bitching & whining about people stealing chord progressions from his songs, do you? Nope, he's too busy working his ass off (despite a recent heart attack).

BTW, remember the Bruce Springsteen article on how he plagarized from the guy from who wrote 876-5309? No? Does it matter anyways? (Supposedly, Bruce ripped it off in the song "Radio Nowhere" off of Magic; I couldn't tell the difference despite being a composer myself).

Intellectual property does not exist, sorry folks. Get over it, get off your ass, & start dealing with the future.

Or, you could do what every other Tom Dick & Harry is doing, which is reinforcing the primitive concept of a monopoly over a vague concept such as an "idea", or "melody" (literal composition elements in notation excluded, but I doubt joe will get that technical & properly word his argument), further the law soup & red tape surrounding making music, of all things, & continue to fuel the RIAA way of doing things: extorting everyone & their grandma until you've managed to coerce your way back into the market by making people buy into your bullshit.

I could easily list a bunch of ****ing coincidences in music that, if they were recently discovered in this nanny state, over-reactionary, pacified age, would probably never see the light of day due to court proceedings & all sorts of heinous crap.

BTW, The Metal Gear Solid 2 Theme Song rips off of some random Russian composer, which no one knew about until a year or two ago when someone called into a radio show. Didn't know that? Ask yourself, does that really matter to you?

UG readers need to read more Lawarence Lessig if they want an inkling of what's going on with "intellectual property", & how increasingly futile it will be as the markets are always evolving towards what is more efficient, despite the state intervention & lawyer brigade screwing things up.

Then they should read some economics (don't worry, wikipedia is sufficient to prevent total ignorance), & the criticisms of intellectual property itself.

Or, you could just sit around in your mom's basement & bitch about :insert band name here: sucking, while not realizing how utterly useless your liberal arts degree will be when you finally get it.

Anyways, so what? Joe should be thanking Coldplay; he just got free publicity, free bitching space, free attention to his music, free sympathy, probably about 50 new fans who are downloading his sh*t off of waffles.fm, demonoid, or piratebay, & probably will see some amount of compensation from the band (who will probably do the grown up thing & just keep silent & pay this pest away), & proceed to spend that money on even more self-indulgent equipment for his guitars.

Whether I or anyone agrees with you or not, you just wasted a good deal of time attempting to convince the wrong people.

Last I knew, none of us are in a position of power to change anything related to economics, intellectual property, or anything else you so vehemently rambled on about. Quite honestly, I'd rather be living in a basement than spout ignorant after asinine statement about the personal decisions and opinions of UGers and how "increasingly futile" it is to voice an opinion.

If you want your holier-than-thou attitude to be recognized, go talk to some social reformers; if you care to state your opinion, get rid of the god complex.

[bluesman6885]

MonsterOfRock wrote:

Hey! everyone ripped off Led Zeppelin. Led Zeppelin ripped off older blues/folk players. In few years time when some of us UG'ers who'll become successful will rip off Satriani.

For all Satriani (the greatest human to hold a guitar) is worth, I don't think he should sue those pussies. Let them be loved by idiots from THEIR craft.

All due respect, that makes NO sense. "Everybody stole from Zeppelin?" BULLSHIT, Zeppelin stole probably 70% of their material from either unknown folk artists from the U.K. or from Delta Blues Musicians." Does the name WILLIE DIXON ring a bell??!!

Zeppelin is one of the most influential rock bands ever, but they are NOT one of the most original. They rode the wave of 70's Blues/Hard Rock, that was started a few years earlier by Cream & Jimi Hendrix. PERIOD.

I do hear similarities between the two songs. If in fact Joe Satriani can prove that they used his "intellectual property" or whatever its called without giving credit, then I hope he takes Coldplay to the cleaners. Coldplay is a good band though. Not great, but they don't suck either.

[Woogles]

Jau_Peacecraft wrote:

Satriani just lost my respect, what an idiot. He would've been better off making a sarcastic announcement concerning how Coldplay ripped off of him. At least then, he'd probably would've gotten dialogue started, & i wouldn't be surprised if Coldplay & joe eventually met up to discuss things outside of court.

What a fuc*ing child; you don't see David Bowie bitching & whining about people stealing chord progressions from his songs, do you? Nope, he's too busy working his ass off (despite a recent heart attack).

BTW, remember the Bruce Springsteen article on how he plagarized from the guy from who wrote 876-5309? No? Does it matter anyways? (Supposedly, Bruce ripped it off in the song "Radio Nowhere" off of Magic; I couldn't tell the difference despite being a composer myself).

Intellectual property does not exist, sorry folks. Get over it, get off your ass, & start dealing with the future.

Or, you could do what every other Tom Dick & Harry is doing, which is reinforcing the primitive concept of a monopoly over a vague concept such as an "idea", or "melody" (literal composition elements in notation excluded, but I doubt joe will get that technical & properly word his argument), further the law soup & red tape surrounding making music, of all things, & continue to fuel the RIAA way of doing things: extorting everyone & their grandma until you've managed to coerce your way back into the market by making people buy into your bullshit.

I could easily list a bunch of ****ing coincidences in music that, if they were recently discovered in this nanny state, over-reactionary, pacified age, would probably never see the light of day due to court proceedings & all sorts of heinous crap.

BTW, The Metal Gear Solid 2 Theme Song rips off of some random Russian composer, which no one knew about until a year or two ago when someone called into a radio show. Didn't know that? Ask yourself, does that really matter to you?

UG readers need to read more Lawarence Lessig if they want an inkling of what's going on with "intellectual property", & how increasingly futile it will be as the markets are always evolving towards what is more efficient, despite the state intervention & lawyer brigade screwing things up.

Then they should read some economics (don't worry, wikipedia is sufficient to prevent total ignorance), & the criticisms of intellectual property itself.

Or, you could just sit around in your mom's basement & bitch about :insert band name here: sucking, while not realizing how utterly useless your liberal arts degree will be when you finally get it.

Anyways, so what? Joe should be thanking Coldplay; he just got free publicity, free bitching space, free attention to his music, free sympathy, probably about 50 new fans who are downloading his sh*t off of waffles.fm, demonoid, or piratebay, & probably will see some amount of compensation from the band (who will probably do the grown up thing & just keep silent & pay this pest away), & proceed to spend that money on even more self-indulgent equipment for his guitars.

Kk Chris Martin

[Jau_Peacecraft]

Jawshuwa wrote:

Jau_Peacecraft wrote:

Satriani just lost my respect, what an idiot. He would've been better off making a sarcastic announcement concerning how Coldplay ripped off of him. At least then, he'd probably would've gotten dialogue started, & i wouldn't be surprised if Coldplay & joe eventually met up to discuss things outside of court.

What a fuc*ing child; you don't see David Bowie bitching & whining about people stealing chord progressions from his songs, do you? Nope, he's too busy working his ass off (despite a recent heart attack).

BTW, remember the Bruce Springsteen article on how he plagarized from the guy from who wrote 876-5309? No? Does it matter anyways? (Supposedly, Bruce ripped it off in the song "Radio Nowhere" off of Magic; I couldn't tell the difference despite being a composer myself).

Intellectual property does not exist, sorry folks. Get over it, get off your ass, & start dealing with the future.

Or, you could do what every other Tom Dick & Harry is doing, which is reinforcing the primitive concept of a monopoly over a vague concept such as an "idea", or "melody" (literal composition elements in notation excluded, but I doubt joe will get that technical & properly word his argument), further the law soup & red tape surrounding making music, of all things, & continue to fuel the RIAA way of doing things: extorting everyone & their grandma until you've managed to coerce your way back into the market by making people buy into your bullshit.

I could easily list a bunch of ****ing coincidences in music that, if they were recently discovered in this nanny state, over-reactionary, pacified age, would probably never see the light of day due to court proceedings & all sorts of heinous crap.

BTW, The Metal Gear Solid 2 Theme Song rips off of some random Russian composer, which no one knew about until a year or two ago when someone called into a radio show. Didn't know that? Ask yourself, does that really matter to you?

UG readers need to read more Lawarence Lessig if they want an inkling of what's going on with "intellectual property", & how increasingly futile it will be as the markets are always evolving towards what is more efficient, despite the state intervention & lawyer brigade screwing things up.

Then they should read some economics (don't worry, wikipedia is sufficient to prevent total ignorance), & the criticisms of intellectual property itself.

Or, you could just sit around in your mom's basement & bitch about :insert band name here: sucking, while not realizing how utterly useless your liberal arts degree will be when you finally get it.

Anyways, so what? Joe should be thanking Coldplay; he just got free publicity, free bitching space, free attention to his music, free sympathy, probably about 50 new fans who are downloading his sh*t off of waffles.fm, demonoid, or piratebay, & probably will see some amount of compensation from the band (who will probably do the grown up thing & just keep silent & pay this pest away), & proceed to spend that money on even more self-indulgent equipment for his guitars.

Whether I or anyone agrees with you or not, you just wasted a good deal of time attempting to convince the wrong people.

Last I knew, none of us are in a position of power to change anything related to economics, intellectual property, or anything else you so vehemently rambled on about. Quite honestly, I'd rather be living in a basement than spout ignorant after asinine statement about the personal decisions and opinions of UGers and how "increasingly futile" it is to voice an opinion.

If you want your holier-than-thou attitude to be recognized, go talk to some social reformers; if you care to state your opinion, get rid of the god complex.

Make me, mr.hypocrite :p

[dispreferred]

Im in noone's camp here, coz frankly both artists are as pretentious as eachother. But having listened to both songs I think Satriani is in the right, purely based on the case of Cat Stevens vs The Flaming Lips. The Flaming Lips settled out of court (i believe) for their song being far less similar than these two are.

[ronin_dude21]

Are you kidding me?? If we're gonna start suing over similiar, even identical chord progression I guess I can kiss 75% of all punk rock and all the DaughtNickTheoryFault music that's floating around now...now I don't know about the lot of ya, but I'm gonna stop comparing youtube videos and pick up my guitar and stop wasting my time pleading either sides case

[blindfatkid23]

Wow, I never thought Satch would do that. I can't stand Coldplay but I'm really surprised that he's actually suing.

[8th_Nation]

henza_x wrote:

Holy shit, joe satriani is 52???

lolz abound.

[everlong12]

chudy-stuey wrote:

make your own mind up...check out

2mins 20 in
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dvgZkm1xWPE

50 secs in
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CMcjXo8ZuqE&feature=relate d

i hear but i don't think its worth sueing coldplay, he should get over it

[chickrawker]

they do sound amazingly the same. i heardsomeone on the radio play both songs then them layered over each other.. coldplay's gonna come out on the other end with a lot less money

[the capta1n]

Jau_Peacecraft :
Satriani just lost my respect, what an idiot. He would've been better off making a sarcastic announcement concerning how Coldplay ripped off of him. At least then, he'd probably would've gotten dialogue started, & i wouldn't be surprised if Coldplay & joe eventually met up to discuss things outside of court.

What a fuc*ing child; you don't see David Bowie bitching & whining about people stealing chord progressions from his songs, do you? Nope, he's too busy working his ass off (despite a recent heart attack).

Uhhhhh.....David Bowie sued Vannila Ice for plagerism. Under Pressure\Ice Ice Baby. Nice try though.

[bizzle06]

yea i its just the one little riff i think he's stretching it just a bit

[MTVget0FFtheAIR]

1. I highly doubt satch is the one particularly fussed about this. it's probably someone on the business side of things, the record company, management etc. for whom music is solely about making money.
2. Satch's melody is not original in the first place.

the decision made here is really important, but being a fan of neither, i'm really not that bothered either way.

[rephlica]

new kids on the block sued nsync.bahahaha

[bobbyj84]

Eh, its close but not close enough to sue. This is blown way out of proprtion. Believe me, I like Satch as much as the next guy, but he's gotta learn to pick and choose his battles

[Alltimeanything]

Eh I don't care for either of them, but I do like Coldplay's song.

[Smithsc]

this seems a little questionable, but I doubt the idiots from a band as sh*tty as coldplay have even ever heard of satriani.

[CombatRaptor]

I hate it when people say "the chances of coldplay listening to If I could Fly while making the record arent very high", when stupid Coldplay could have listened to it BEFORE not just during the making.... Anyways, I hated coldplay for being a talentless band that is doing so well because they have the support of countless retards... And to find out that they copied Satch... pisses me off!

jammyninja wrote:

Wiegraf wrote:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI 0:35

Apparently written 2 years before Satriani's. >_< I love Satch, but this could turn around and kick him in the ass.

Yeah, chances are it was just a coincidence. There are so many f*cking elitists on youtube spouting Coldplay hate, when Satch could be accused of the same thing (not attacking Joe either, just some of his less intelligent fans).

Like someone said, chances that Coldplay listened to Satriani during the making of the album? Not very high.

[Jau_Peacecraft]

the capta1n wrote:

Jau_Peacecraft :
Satriani just lost my respect, what an idiot. He would've been better off making a sarcastic announcement concerning how Coldplay ripped off of him. At least then, he'd probably would've gotten dialogue started, & i wouldn't be surprised if Coldplay & joe eventually met up to discuss things outside of court.

What a fuc*ing child; you don't see David Bowie bitching & whining about people stealing chord progressions from his songs, do you? Nope, he's too busy working his ass off (despite a recent heart attack).

Uhhhhh.....David Bowie sued Vannila Ice for plagerism. Under Pressure\Ice Ice Baby. Nice try though.

Uh Vanilla Ice literally stole sample wise (not some vauge melody and/or idea crap), & didn't give credit. I didn't agree with suing for money, but Vanilla Ice was still at fault for outright theft. Nice try though.

[farquarl]

henza_x wrote:

Holy shit, joe satriani is 52???

Haha thats what I thought, he looks much younger, must be the hats and sunglasses hes never without.

[zeemonkey]

Jawshuwa wrote:

Jau_Peacecraft wrote:

Satriani just lost my respect, what an idiot. He would've been better off making a sarcastic announcement concerning how Coldplay ripped off of him. At least then, he'd probably would've gotten dialogue started, & i wouldn't be surprised if Coldplay & joe eventually met up to discuss things outside of court.

What a fuc*ing child; you don't see David Bowie bitching & whining about people stealing chord progressions from his songs, do you? Nope, he's too busy working his ass off (despite a recent heart attack).

BTW, remember the Bruce Springsteen article on how he plagarized from the guy from who wrote 876-5309? No? Does it matter anyways? (Supposedly, Bruce ripped it off in the song "Radio Nowhere" off of Magic; I couldn't tell the difference despite being a composer myself).

Intellectual property does not exist, sorry folks. Get over it, get off your ass, & start dealing with the future.

Or, you could do what every other Tom Dick & Harry is doing, which is reinforcing the primitive concept of a monopoly over a vague concept such as an "idea", or "melody" (literal composition elements in notation excluded, but I doubt joe will get that technical & properly word his argument), further the law soup & red tape surrounding making music, of all things, & continue to fuel the RIAA way of doing things: extorting everyone & their grandma until you've managed to coerce your way back into the market by making people buy into your bullshit.

I could easily list a bunch of ****ing coincidences in music that, if they were recently discovered in this nanny state, over-reactionary, pacified age, would probably never see the light of day due to court proceedings & all sorts of heinous crap.

BTW, The Metal Gear Solid 2 Theme Song rips off of some random Russian composer, which no one knew about until a year or two ago when someone called into a radio show. Didn't know that? Ask yourself, does that really matter to you?

UG readers need to read more Lawarence Lessig if they want an inkling of what's going on with "intellectual property", & how increasingly futile it will be as the markets are always evolving towards what is more efficient, despite the state intervention & lawyer brigade screwing things up.

Then they should read some economics (don't worry, wikipedia is sufficient to prevent total ignorance), & the criticisms of intellectual property itself.

Or, you could just sit around in your mom's basement & bitch about :insert band name here: sucking, while not realizing how utterly useless your liberal arts degree will be when you finally get it.

Anyways, so what? Joe should be thanking Coldplay; he just got free publicity, free bitching space, free attention to his music, free sympathy, probably about 50 new fans who are downloading his sh*t off of waffles.fm, demonoid, or piratebay, & probably will see some amount of compensation from the band (who will probably do the grown up thing & just keep silent & pay this pest away), & proceed to spend that money on even more self-indulgent equipment for his guitars.

Whether I or anyone agrees with you or not, you just wasted a good deal of time attempting to convince the wrong people.

Last I knew, none of us are in a position of power to change anything related to economics, intellectual property, or anything else you so vehemently rambled on about. Quite honestly, I'd rather be living in a basement than spout ignorant after asinine statement about the personal decisions and opinions of UGers and how "increasingly futile" it is to voice an opinion.

If you want your holier-than-thou attitude to be recognized, go talk to some social reformers; if you care to state your opinion, get rid of the god complex.

I agree with this but i still hate the fact that mainstream bands like coldplay get so much credit when its not such well known artists like satch who work to make the melodies.

[SurferRosa92]

Put them both on a stage and see who rocks more. virtuoso vs. "inspirational" songs. def. a battle of the egos for the ages, i'm sure of that

[maxumis84]

Basically many people have touched a few good points and those are...
1. Its probably the record company and not Satch. Satch is too much of a legend to find publicity this way.
2. The lead guitar is in fact not original, most music is not. There are only 12 notes to choose from and over 50 years of studioed music. If you want something more obvious, check out Killswitch engages Fixation on the darkness the opening riff and compare it to Trivum's A gun shot to the head of trepidation, 37 i mean theres a lawsuit thats legitimate.

Musicians should not be able to sue each other in such a manner, especially when one musician doesnt have lyrics. Otherwise, everyband that ever used the word "the" or "feel" should sue each other. Satch is better than this and we will find out that it was a bad move. This just reminds me of another time a band tried to take on something extremely popular and lost badly i.e. Metallica vs. Napster. If satch really wants publicity he should tour with coldplay, not sue them.

[clayedwardwhite]

that old ass needs to get a life
not that i like coldplay but i think he's just mad
because it disturbed the rightful order of stairway to heaven being number 1 on ug's top 100 hahah

[maxumis84]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPgmYCvUkFU check 2:14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB-RGSjQrJY the very beginning

i hope these guys dont sue each other now because of this

[Hirvikala]

I don't care if Satriani is 52.. hell, Tony Levin is 62, Eric Clapton 63 and they are rocking! Age doesn't matter as long as you're in good fit.

[Minderbinder]

Why would Coldplay, being immensly popular and sucessful thus far, feel the need the plagerise one song? They wouldn't. This law suit is pointless.

[BiOhAZarD722]

Coldplay doesnt seem like a band that would take someone else material.

And one last thing i think its kinda bullsht that Satriani is getting pissy when his song doesnt even have words in it, it would be different if there were same lyrics.

Ohh and same thing happened with tht gay ass Vanillia Ice song Ice Ice baby and David Bowies Under Pressure, and that beat is like 99.9% the same. But look you dont see any lawsuit there do you?? i think Satriani needs to get the stick outa his ass and suck it up.

[OzarkMDaredevil]

Bawwww Coldplay is ****ing awful.
Bawww Coldplay sucks balls.

Seriously, you ****ers need to get a life. I like their music, I'm not afraid to say it. I'm straight. I'm gonna ask a girl out and we both listen to Coldplay. You people need to grow the **** up and stop thinking that if it is possibly mainstream it has to be gay.

Also, this lawsuit is stupid. If everyone sues for this shit, there would be lawsuits flying everywhere in the music world. If Tom Petty can take it like a man, Satch sure as hell can.

[froete_88]

Wiegraf wrote:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI 0:35

Apparently written 2 years before Satriani's. >_< I love Satch, but this could turn around and kick him in the ass.

to be honest as a guitar player, its not like its a difficult riff to just figure out on your own. its possible that coldplay just played it without hearing satriani's version or the spanish band that supposedly wrote it two years prior to satch

[SOADriff]

the verses sound almost exactly the same but hey i think its coincidence but we'll see what happens.

[jmarq]

I really dont like coldplay, and yes the songs are practically the same, its hard for me to believe its a coincidence because its not that common of a melody but i dont know if this is gonna go through. and i rather listen to "If i could fly" cause coldplay gets boring after 4 minutes haha

[Post?Organic]

Good for him. It's a blatant rip-off. I'm not a fan of suing people, but I'm also not a fan of other people profiting from other people's work.

[GibsonAR]

ha ha ha go joe sue those dickhead posers who are trying to create the illusion that they can write music

[Kotex]

I'm just going to leave this here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I

[BaconFrenzy117]

Yeah, I don't hear it. Hes chasing wild geese.

[BaconFrenzy117]

DP:
Sorry, I do now. Whoops.

[MrDinkleberry]

Isn't that some bullshit. 3 different songs with the same melody!??!!? That shit happens all the damn time. Satch is a piece of shit for suing over it.

[CrabSoldier X]

i doubt coldplay even listens to satch

[kenan6346]

It's gotta be one hell of a coincidence if all three of the songs have the same melody; it's not impossible, but it's also really possible that two of them are plagiarised. Also as said in various above comments, Coldplay probably doesn't listen to the Satch.

To anyone who hasn't already seen the youtube vids comparing the two songs, take a look at them and decide for yourselves. I'm not quite sure where I stand on the issue (and frankly I don't really care, I don't listen to Coldplay and I respect the genius of Satch, but I don't listen to him either), but it's awefully fishy.

[AndyVanHalen]

what an *******...

hes gonna sue me next for using the i-iv-v progression because he used it before...

[PleasantStreets]

Give me a break, it's like suing a novelist with similar tone/symbols/etc.

Satch, there are people who are influenced.

[leadg]

JakoSnako wrote:

lol, go satch, when ur writin an album, its proly good to make sure ur not rippin anyone off, or may be faced with this

Too many bands to be able to save yourself from copyright. If I right a riff and it sounds like another band I never heard before(which i've done before) again neve3r heard before how am I supposed to check on it being similar with the millions of songs floating through the market.....It is more than possible to be a coincidence not worth suing they both have loads of money who cares who copied who...

[Ali-b912]

Jau_Peacecraft wrote:

MonsterOfRock wrote:

With all due respect to what the **** you are saying, I dont think you are Joe Satriani. If you had written a song off YOUR heart (if you have one) and some random idiot would rip it off you, you'd be pissed off.

Its not the same judgemental mind that you and I have as the outsider, as opposed to the artist that just got ripped off. Read my earlier post, I do agree with you.

I might be pissed off, but I wouldn't act like a twat & sue the lame asses who ripped off of me at all. I don't care how much money they might make, if I did it at all, I would be the same as the RIAA, no matter how one might rationalize it all.

You have to remember the unintended consequences this leads to in terms of music being copyrighted, creativity being stunted (yes, it does get stunted by draconian copyright laws, if it didn't, the black & grey markets wouldn't have bothered responding with such an enormous success with torrents, downloading, P2P, etc.).

Joe could've easily done the same thing in calling Coldplay out, but he decided to be a greedy, materialistic bastard & put a price tag on his own work.

Whatever, he can do that, I don't care about what he does with his music; but monetary compensation is *not* the end all be all road regarding plagiarism, although it's easy to see why many think as the current old model of the music industry zombies on, crumbling every month.

I bet if Cobain were still alive to see all of this, he'd have an incentive to blow off his head regardless.

It's his damned song, and he has the rights to do whatever he wants with it. Coldplay dont have any rights to do anything with it, so using without asking is just outright wrong.

[Deep*Kick]

MrDinkleberry wrote:

Isn't that some bullshit. 3 different songs with the same melody!??!!? That shit happens all the damn time. Satch is a piece of shit for suing over it.

They share more than the same melody, and if Satch and his lawyer believe coldplay have copied material from his song then he is well within his rights to sue. It doesn't make him a piece of shit. I'm sure Satch has a better ear than you for his own music.

[Powerchild]

RichieJovie wrote:

hahahahahhahahahaha the only decent outcome is if the sentence is that Coldplay are never allowed to record again ever.

Dude, I can't believe I was thinking the same thing- except without so many "Ha"'s.

[Zyzzvya]

I think everyone who's got a song that sounds even similar to Coldplay should file a class action against them.

Not for money, for recognition. Maybe if people realised what a bunch of ripoff artists Coldplay are they'd be a bit more hesitiant to throw awards at them in lieu of better musicians.

[pinksalmon]

I'm not much of a fan of either band. I listened as hard as I could and only hear some brief moments of similarity but nothing that sounds completely ripped off.

To anyone saying this isn't a cash grab and he's just trying to protect his intellectual rights where was he 6 months ago when the album dropped.

In this day and age someone from coldplays label would have warned them long ago if they thought it was a rip off before risking millions. Like it or not coldplay is an extremely popular band that no label exec would take the chance of ripping off a song and possibly losing millions.

just didn't like his music before, instrumental rock is retarded to me, but now I think of him as a straight up ass.

Hopefully he loses and has to pay a butt load of legal fees and he can be an example to all the other idiots who want to sue over a chord progression played similarly

[Luc1feR]

I really don't see the big thing here. They do sound alike, and it is a very big part of the song.

But i really hate people bashning Satch for being ripped off.
Maybe i should take a Beatles song and change the lyrics and take all writing credits myself.

And also if it was Coldplay suing Satriani would they be the bad guys then ?

[sukeyscorer]

http://www.metalsucks.net/2008/12/05/did-coldplay-rip-off-jo e-satriani/

how can you not hear it? total rip off! i have even less respect for coldplay than before. i think its the way they write stuff on their hands, its like, jesus if you really believe in it, then get it tattooed on your head or something!
i hope joe wins.

[Luc1feR]

Also you who say he should talk to them first, does anyone know that he hasn't tried that ?

Why would Coldplay not listen to Satriani ? Because they don't play same music ? I listen to Slipknot and play blues so it don't really matter.

Checked.

[DrShreddington]

Im not sure where I stand on this, its definitely the same sounding, but its a very simple composition. It could very well be intentional riff stealing, but that seems like the kind of riff I sometimes write completely coincidentally.

[Hyperboy111]

and this article came out yesterday? this whole debate, or whatever you'd call it, has been around since last year, sometime when it was snowy.

[Gormanilius]

pinksalmon wrote:

I'm not much of a fan of either band. I listened as hard as I could and only hear some brief moments of similarity but nothing that sounds completely ripped off.

To anyone saying this isn't a cash grab and he's just trying to protect his intellectual rights where was he 6 months ago when the album dropped.

In this day and age someone from coldplays label would have warned them long ago if they thought it was a rip off before risking millions. Like it or not coldplay is an extremely popular band that no label exec would take the chance of ripping off a song and possibly losing millions.

just didn't like his music before, instrumental rock is retarded to me, but now I think of him as a straight up ass.

Hopefully he loses and has to pay a butt load of legal fees and he can be an example to all the other idiots who want to sue over a chord progression played similarly

why dont you listen. its more than a chord progression. its the melody as well.

[Gormanilius]

Minderbinder wrote:

Why would Coldplay, being immensly popular and sucessful thus far, feel the need the plagerise one song? They wouldn't. This law suit is pointless.

well thats stupid. basically ur saying that because this coldplay song is famous, that joe shouldnt sue them for theft?

[Andrew Tanner]

it is indeed a very simple melody sequence, theres probably nothing in it. satriani is being silly, chris martin dosnt half act like an idiot in that video though...

[Necro-cide]

It's a ****ing melody/chord sequence.

I'm sorry, but **** me, there's only gonna be a certain amount that could possibly be written, it's hard to write songs, 'cause everything has been done before, and if people are gonna start sueing you for writing something ****in' similar to theirs then pretty soon there's gonna be no more ****in' songs left to write.

Fuck me, i love both these guys, but this is ridiculous.

[Jau_Peacecraft]

Necro-cide wrote:

It's a ****ing melody/chord sequence.

I'm sorry, but **** me, there's only gonna be a certain amount that could possibly be written, it's hard to write songs, 'cause everything has been done before, and if people are gonna start sueing you for writing something ****in' similar to theirs then pretty soon there's gonna be no more ****in' songs left to write.

Fuck me, i love both these guys, but this is ridiculous.

This, + the fact that not all musicians are master in music theory, so it's even harder to not sound like something previously done before.

[NiK-117]

the melody is too simple for it to matter really. i can't really get my head around bringing the law into music. there's like 12 ****ing notes of course the order at which they're played is going to be the same sometimes. but i suppose its poor form if coldplay did steal it, but then again, its poor form for satch to sue over a little melody from one of his maaaaanny songs. but say someone 'wrote' the sweet child o mine riff and genuinely hadn't heard sweet child o mine, i wonder how that would go down.....(i thought i wrote love will tear us apart....i was mortified when i heard it) so....by what everyone is saying, it boils down to... stealing is wrong, even music, but dont be a bitch if someone writes something similar to you.

[Strausser33]

the beat is the same but seriously its nothing to sue about.....people sample other people who come up wit similar ideas anyways.....number one dont ever compare coldplay to U2 bc u2 doesnt suck dude coldplay i listened to some sht personally its shitty

[AshTrayz]

The blues is incorporated into many songs.
You don't see blues bands suing other blues bands for similiar sounding melodies.

Music isn't property.

[CTFOD]

Gormanilius wrote:

CTFOD wrote:

Only about the first bar of each song sound similar.

I know that this being a guitar website, I'll get flamed to hell for this but, this is just another reason for me to dislike Joe Satriani.

"Some1 took sme notes frm me?!!1! onoes!!11!1"

Then you obviosly not listen to the remainder of both songs. When Martin starts singing, it sounds EXACTLY the same as the riff from Joe's Song.

Yeah, the first bar of it does.

Also, I think it's pretty pathetic to sue someone for "any and all profits" over a couple of notes and a chord progression. Maybe Burzum should sue Bullet for my Valentine because the intro to 'Hand of Blood' is similar to 'War'?

[Luc1feR]

AshTrayz wrote:

The blues is incorporated into many songs.
You don't see blues bands suing other blues bands for similiar sounding melodies.

Music isn't property.

So then i can steal whatever song and say that i wrote it ?
The point is you must give credit where credit is due. If i sample someone or steal the melody and don't give writing credits i will get sued. Don't you think that Abba would sue Madonnna for Hung up if she didn't give credits (and royalties)

I think its quite scary to hear some of this arguments. Put yourself in his shoes. If you write a song, then someone steals the melody and don't give you credits for writing it and makes a ton of money of it as well.
But on the other hand everyone on this board are maybe shitting money and don't want to get the attention they deserve

[kalamari]

I didn't think it possible, but this argument is just as insufferable as the songs in question

[JimBonJovi]

kalamari wrote:

I didn't think it possible, but this argument is just as insufferable as the songs in question

Agreed. Just let it be.

[Disaster Area42]

Having listen to both songs,I can say yes there are similarities.However there is no way Satriani would be able to win a court battle over a few notes. Otherwise The members of Lynyrd Skynyrd would have already torn Kid Rock apart for his crap single

[Aetius]

You guys seem to forget a few facts..

Coldplay use the SAME time signature, the SAME chord progression, the SAME syncopated rhythm, the SAME main theme. That's like 90% of a composition.

Satriani isn't stupid, he's a music theory master and very well knows whether some things are generic or not. And I think it's pretty obvious there are too many similarities between the two songs for it to be "coincidence". Satriani as a music expert would know this.

Give the man credit where it's due, he's influenced far more musicians than coldplay have. Show some respect for this man. Unlike Chris Martin, he's a very humble man.

[blajano]

Disaster Area42 wrote:

Having listen to both songs,I can say yes there are similarities.However there is no way Satriani would be able to win a court battle over a few notes. Otherwise The members of Lynyrd Skynyrd would have already torn Kid Rock apart for his crap single

1+ Kid rock is just awful

Anyway, why is satch suing -now-?
He could have easily done by may, when the demo was released...
I love satchs stuff, love g3. but satch, you can go **** yourself.

[limefan913]

If it weren't for that main melody, I doubt Satriani would have done anything. He's not that type of guy. Time signature isn't worth the legal money, nor are tempo, chord progression and probably even rhythm. But you throw all those in on top of the melody, ding.

That being said, I still love Viva La Vida, and I'm still a total Satch fanboy (looks over at the JS1200 in my room).

[ze monsta]

Fucking brilliant! rofl, I hope it gets proven. Coldplay are pretentious fools, and Satriani seems like a genuine bloke.

[TestMan6]

Satrini is ok I don't love his stuff
Coldplay is retarded

Satrini wins the loser of the year award for trying to say they copied him.

[CaptAwesome15]

Fuck man, why are people so damn greedy?

[gallagher2006]

Who the hell is Joe Satriani? Seriously, I doubt Coldplay have even heard of him. It's a simple little melody in Eb major, anyone could have made it up.

This guy is just pissed because Coldplay got a number 1 and he's playing guitar solos for a living.

If anything, pure coincidence

[Mezzo4te]

ze monsta wrote:

Fucking brilliant! rofl, I hope it gets proven. Coldplay are pretentious fools, and Satriani seems like a genuine bloke.

I would classify generic wanky instrumental guitar music as pretentious. Not that pretention is bad..only for english people they hate it.

[Mezzo4te]

I would classify generic wanky instrumental guitar music as pretentious. Not that pretention is bad..only for english people they hate it.

[Multiplayerjon]

+1 on tht above comment... Kid Rock just wants to be "Famous"
it's kinda funny how he said to get all of his songs illegaly... bad influencer xD

[dougl126]

They are the same, but not only that but its the same tempo and everything. So thats a little more suspicious than just the same notes.

[The Eyes of OZ]

WHo's to say Coldplay aren't fans of Satch? Who knows but them, and Brian Eno is an admitted fan of Satch ( he produced and helped write most of Viva LA Vida ). To me, they are too similar, when you put all the similarities together it's uncanny. I'm not saying they did or didn't, but the songs are almost carbon copies of each other.
When Coldplay released A Rush Of Blood To The Head I thought they were great. Since then they've become huge and mediocre, definitely not as great as people make them out to be. I'm not a big fan, I think they are just OK, same with Satch, plus Chris Martin is a total douche bag.
That being said, I kinda hope they lose the suit.

Check'd

[.:!j.man!:.]

In alot of ways you cant really copywrite music... there are only 7 notes to play around with excluding shaps/flats

7 notes + 1000's of bands... copywrite law needs to look at what there trying to put a padlock on, because bands no matter what will influence off of each other.

[limefan913]

.:!j.man!:. wrote:

In alot of ways you cant really copywrite music... there are only 7 notes to play around with excluding shaps/flats

7 notes + 1000's of bands... copywrite law needs to look at what there trying to put a padlock on, because bands no matter what will influence off of each other.

You're looking at 12 notes, hundreds of scales, keys, time signatures etc. A chord progression is common, time signature (4/4) is common, but you throw the melody and rhythm, something that isn't usually that common, you've got possible plagiarism.

[Dreaming-V]

Guitarism12 wrote:

Satch is god. Hes instantly right

damn right son

[itsharro111]

someone should just write a software that generates every possible melody (up to 100 notes long, for example) and claim copyright to all of them...
(sry if someone already wrote a comment like this, i didn't read the whole discussion)

[philrox]

Whatever he needs to do, I guess he should just go for it.

I mean, MAYBE Coldplay tried to rip him off? Or maybe they heard a tune and wanted to put it into their own song? Heh, whatever the case, Satriani is my prefered artist.

[Dave_Mc]

.:!j.man!:. wrote:

In alot of ways you cant really copywrite music... there are only 7 notes to play around with excluding shaps/flats

7 notes + 1000's of bands... copywrite law needs to look at what there trying to put a padlock on, because bands no matter what will influence off of each other.

ugh, go and do a little studying of statistics please. there might only be 7 notes (actually, there are twelve, and that's excluding microtones), but when you factor in rests, tempo, repetition (or not) of certain notes, etc. etc., those odds get pretty big pretty fast.

don't get me wrong, it's entirely possible that coldplay came up with it independently (or heard the satch song somewhere and subconsciously copied it), but it's an extremely similar melody, and it's clear that satch got to it first. if i wrote, say, catch 22 having not read the original book, then of course i'm not to blame for unknowingly copying it, but i shouldn't get to keep any profits from the sale of my book either.

And the amount of stupidity here is almost painful. Get over your idiotic "satch is awesome, coldplay are faggots, so satch should win". The melodies share one similar bar, there isn't nearly enough to win a case. It's a total overreaction and he should just drop it.

it's not one similar bar, it's the main hook of the song, coupled with almost exactly the same rhythm and tempo, and coupled with the same chord progression.

[soupdragon]

ctb wrote:

VH4EVA wrote:

good i hope joe wins he's ****ing awesome. and colday are friggin gay.

Chris Martin has a wife. They aren't gay. You just don't like their music. I don't understand why Satriani fans are supporting him just because they think he's the better musician.

Suing people these days is getting out of hand.

+ amillionbillion

[darrenjables]

henza_x wrote:

Holy shit, joe satriani is 52???

HOLY SHIT!! I know!

I'm agreeing with limefan913. You just don't "accidentally" use the same chord progression, and the same melody.

[Karlboy]

Perhaps Satch just figured this out when the nominations were put through... Either way. Satch is really the only musician I truly idolize, and if he takes down Coldplay, that idolization will increase tenfold... :P

[whitebluesboy]

Bucketheadroolz wrote:

guys 52 is not even old. Thats half of a hundred. But all the classic rock musicians are 60 ish and people like robert plant complain that they cant perform like they used to. Satch puts on one hell of a show and he's not much younger

If you were a singer you would know that can't be helped. As you get older your body naturally slowly deteriorates and your vocal chords can't maintain the stress they used even with regularly maintaining and exercising your voice and living a healthy lifestyle.

On a side note, does anyone else think Satch looks like a humanized version of Voldemort?

[GravityRides]

Meh..I hate coldplay

[timsterII]

whitebluesboy wrote:

On a side note, does anyone else think Satch looks like a humanized version of Voldemort?

I thought I was the only one. o_o

Honestly, a lot of songs are quite similar nowadays. You can't say you made this melody up and someone copied it because someone else probably did as well.

[STE 969]

You need to understand that this is a rumour from the media.
for all you know, Joe probably just noticed that Coldplay used a melody from a song Joe S put alot of effort into, and Joe was beckoned by his lawyers to persue the case.
In my opnion you cannot copywright music or a melody, but your not proving to be much of an artist or composer if you use somebody elses work.

[STE 969]

I also think the reason for the delay of lawful action is because Coldplay milked the song so damn much.
If Coldplay just used the song as a little tune on an album, just to fill a space, then i wouild not be happy, but now fuming either.
The fact is, they won awards for something Joe S wrote, and even released singles.
This is plagiarism

[STE 969]

On the other hand to my previous posts, the same solo melody Joe S uses, is in fact identical to the solo in Frances Limon, which was released 2 years earlier, in 2002...
Maybe there is more to this than you all know..?

[LOSTintheOZONE]

Jau_Peacecraft wrote:

Satriani just lost my respect, what an idiot. He would've been better off making a sarcastic announcement concerning how Coldplay ripped off of him. At least then, he'd probably would've gotten dialogue started, & i wouldn't be surprised if Coldplay & joe eventually met up to discuss things outside of court.

What a fuc*ing child; you don't see David Bowie bitching & whining about people stealing chord progressions from his songs, do you? Nope, he's too busy working his ass off (despite a recent heart attack).

BTW, remember the Bruce Springsteen article on how he plagarized from the guy from who wrote 876-5309? No? Does it matter anyways? (Supposedly, Bruce ripped it off in the song "Radio Nowhere" off of Magic; I couldn't tell the difference despite being a composer myself).

Intellectual property does not exist, sorry folks. Get over it, get off your ass, & start dealing with the future.

Or, you could do what every other Tom Dick & Harry is doing, which is reinforcing the primitive concept of a monopoly over a vague concept such as an "idea", or "melody" (literal composition elements in notation excluded, but I doubt joe will get that technical & properly word his argument), further the law soup & red tape surrounding making music, of all things, & continue to fuel the RIAA way of doing things: extorting everyone & their grandma until you've managed to coerce your way back into the market by making people buy into your bullshit.

I could easily list a bunch of ****ing coincidences in music that, if they were recently discovered in this nanny state, over-reactionary, pacified age, would probably never see the light of day due to court proceedings & all sorts of heinous crap.

BTW, The Metal Gear Solid 2 Theme Song rips off of some random Russian composer, which no one knew about until a year or two ago when someone called into a radio show. Didn't know that? Ask yourself, does that really matter to you?

UG readers need to read more Lawarence Lessig if they want an inkling of what's going on with "intellectual property", & how increasingly futile it will be as the markets are always evolving towards what is more efficient, despite the state intervention & lawyer brigade screwing things up.

Then they should read some economics (don't worry, wikipedia is sufficient to prevent total ignorance), & the criticisms of intellectual property itself.

Or, you could just sit around in your mom's basement & bitch about :insert band name here: sucking, while not realizing how utterly useless your liberal arts degree will be when you finally get it.

Anyways, so what? Joe should be thanking Coldplay; he just got free publicity, free bitching space, free attention to his music, free sympathy, probably about 50 new fans who are downloading his sh*t off of waffles.fm, demonoid, or piratebay, & probably will see some amount of compensation from the band (who will probably do the grown up thing & just keep silent & pay this pest away), & proceed to spend that money on even more self-indulgent equipment for his guitars.

You try making a living from music and having another band make money off what you wrote.

to others. the main melody is practicaly note for note.

[STE 969]

Useful links:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI
Frances Limon - Joe copied this solo?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I
Joe and Coldplay - seperate, then overdub

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=J6uWfLKrr-s
Both versions overdub - sounds pretty cool

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=44xirQ55IgA
viva la viva - coldplay

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CMcjXo8ZuqE
if i could fly - joe satriani

[ratedpg]

It's a pretty simple progression I honestly don't think it's plagiarism. Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM

If only Pachelbel could come back and sue everyone for stealing his progression.

[Mondo Generator]

Thing is: Viva La Vida is an awesome song, so it doesn't matter to me.
I used to like Satch a lot, but I have lost some respect for him now.

[BrickIsRed]

Sorry Joe, I don't hear any significant similarity. Good luck sueing Coldplay though.

[Gmurcielago14]

I think its just coincidence. It seems a tad *******-ish to sue them over it. Its not similar enough to compensate a lawsuit, but thats just me. Im sure I'd be pissed too if I found a song with the same melody as one of mine.

[RUSTDOGG666]

this doesn't surprise me. coldplay is horrible. they have to steal riffs and stay away from their own to write any good music. maybe thats why I sort of liked that song even though I don't think they're a good band cause they stole it from an excellent musician. oh yeah I really hope Poison is reading this article then they can sue Green Day. If you listen to Every Rose Has It's Thorn and Time Of Your Life its the exact same chords in almost the exact pattern just strummed differently. Can we see an article come up here soon on a court scene about that? I will also say that people steal from everyone. theres only so many things you can do on a guitar before your only option is to take something already written and change it around a little bit to make it your own and hope no one notices. then when you run out of options on that the only thing left is cover band. so I guess I'm kinda on the fence about this. Joe is right for suing because Coldplay shouldn't have done that yet at the same time theres only so many original riffs you can do before it starts sounding like something already done. in this case both sides can have a good point.

[minichibi]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I&feature=related


this is sort of troubling...

[Plaeghdraeger]

hmmm could be true... the songs are very similar!

[dial-a-death]

you know what they say about infinite monkeys and hamlet...

[watsee]

The_String_Man wrote:

henza_x wrote:

Holy shit, joe satriani is 52???

lol just what i was also thinking

Yeah me too, Satch - 52??

[b0ch0]

It sounds similar...
They might have got a little influence from the song... but , despite my hate towards them, I don't think they intended to steal

[boyan89]

I don't know what it is about Coldplay they just bore me, and Joe Satriani is one hell of a guitarist!

[tomsawyer67]

isnt this the second band who accused coldplay. wow they arent even that good either.

[rage6945]

abrancato85 wrote:

Leave Coldplay alone. Not that I'm a fan or anything but any band whether it be Coldplay or even Creed damn it, that can stop Lil Wayne from winning a grammy, we must be behind that band full force! At least until the grammys are over.

n8blake wrote:

Ulalume wrote:

From what I see the only thing similar is the chord progression. He's suing over a chord progression? Lets let the guy who first used Cmaj to Am sue everyone in the world.

Satriani (and Coldplay) are over-rated and now just pushing the envelope to stupid. abrancato85 wrote:

Leave Coldplay alone. Not that I'm a fan or anything but any band whether it be Coldplay or even Creed damn it, that can stop Lil Wayne from winning a grammy, we must be behind that band full force! At least until the grammys are over.

exactly what i thought! anything to stop lil wayne. i love the way you think. besides at least coldplay has guitars! lil wayen dusnt even use a guitar! for crying out loud!

alright, a year ago all the lil wayne hate would be appropriate, but carter 3 is an incredible hip hop album and he deserves all the praise he's getting. most of you probably dont know what a good hip hop album sounds like and probably dont plan on listening to any, but i listen to just as much hip hop as rock music and know whats up, and who cares if an artist doesnt play guitar? let them make music how they want to.

but thats not what this articles about. i wouldnt be surprised if coldplays never heard that satch song before, and it is a pretty common sounding melody, but it does sound way to similar. and since coldplay fans probably have no idea who satch is, this situation might just make him look bad

[Sherief El]

Nyc 1 Sat.

They needed to get knocked down a peg or 2

[guitarsolo_17]

i'd be upset if it didn't seem like they took substantial portions from more than one band. But the Creaky Boards and Joe Satriani seem to get ripped alot by this. I wouldn't even be surprised if a few more bands found there music in this song.

[guitarsolo_17]

epiphysis wrote:

Quite interesting... I saw an interview after they released Viva La Vida where Chris Martin admits that they took parts of songs from other artists.

get us a video of that interview!

[Pacarazzi]

ok..a guy took the clips and put them in one video..then combined the orginial recordings of both seconds..THEY'RE IN THE EXACT SAME KEY AND AT THE SAME TEMPO! This video settles it:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I&feature=relate d

[guitarsolo_17]

Jau_Peacecraft wrote:

Satriani just lost my respect, what an idiot. He would've been better off making a sarcastic announcement concerning how Coldplay ripped off of him. At least then, he'd probably would've gotten dialogue started, & i wouldn't be surprised if Coldplay & joe eventually met up to discuss things outside of court.

What a fuc*ing child; you don't see David Bowie bitching & whining about people stealing chord progressions from his songs, do you? Nope, he's too busy working his ass off (despite a recent heart attack).

BTW, remember the Bruce Springsteen article on how he plagarized from the guy from who wrote 876-5309? No? Does it matter anyways? (Supposedly, Bruce ripped it off in the song "Radio Nowhere" off of Magic; I couldn't tell the difference despite being a composer myself).

Intellectual property does not exist, sorry folks. Get over it, get off your ass, & start dealing with the future.

Or, you could do what every other Tom Dick & Harry is doing, which is reinforcing the primitive concept of a monopoly over a vague concept such as an "idea", or "melody" (literal composition elements in notation excluded, but I doubt joe will get that technical & properly word his argument), further the law soup & red tape surrounding making music, of all things, & continue to fuel the RIAA way of doing things: extorting everyone & their grandma until you've managed to coerce your way back into the market by making people buy into your bullshit.

I could easily list a bunch of ****ing coincidences in music that, if they were recently discovered in this nanny state, over-reactionary, pacified age, would probably never see the light of day due to court proceedings & all sorts of heinous crap.

BTW, The Metal Gear Solid 2 Theme Song rips off of some random Russian composer, which no one knew about until a year or two ago when someone called into a radio show. Didn't know that? Ask yourself, does that really matter to you?

UG readers need to read more Lawarence Lessig if they want an inkling of what's going on with "intellectual property", & how increasingly futile it will be as the markets are always evolving towards what is more efficient, despite the state intervention & lawyer brigade screwing things up.

Then they should read some economics (don't worry, wikipedia is sufficient to prevent total ignorance), & the criticisms of intellectual property itself.

Or, you could just sit around in your mom's basement & bitch about :insert band name here: sucking, while not realizing how utterly useless your liberal arts degree will be when you finally get it.

Anyways, so what? Joe should be thanking Coldplay; he just got free publicity, free bitching space, free attention to his music, free sympathy, probably about 50 new fans who are downloading his sh*t off of waffles.fm, demonoid, or piratebay, & probably will see some amount of compensation from the band (who will probably do the grown up thing & just keep silent & pay this pest away), & proceed to spend that money on even more self-indulgent equipment for his guitars.

so i take it you plagiarize alot when you write music.

[Jau_Peacecraft]

guitarsolo_17 wrote:

Jau_Peacecraft wrote:

Satriani just lost my respect, what an idiot. He would've been better off making a sarcastic announcement concerning how Coldplay ripped off of him. At least then, he'd probably would've gotten dialogue started, & i wouldn't be surprised if Coldplay & joe eventually met up to discuss things outside of court.

What a fuc*ing child; you don't see David Bowie bitching & whining about people stealing chord progressions from his songs, do you? Nope, he's too busy working his ass off (despite a recent heart attack).

BTW, remember the Bruce Springsteen article on how he plagarized from the guy from who wrote 876-5309? No? Does it matter anyways? (Supposedly, Bruce ripped it off in the song "Radio Nowhere" off of Magic; I couldn't tell the difference despite being a composer myself).

Intellectual property does not exist, sorry folks. Get over it, get off your ass, & start dealing with the future.

Or, you could do what every other Tom Dick & Harry is doing, which is reinforcing the primitive concept of a monopoly over a vague concept such as an "idea", or "melody" (literal composition elements in notation excluded, but I doubt joe will get that technical & properly word his argument), further the law soup & red tape surrounding making music, of all things, & continue to fuel the RIAA way of doing things: extorting everyone & their grandma until you've managed to coerce your way back into the market by making people buy into your bullshit.

I could easily list a bunch of ****ing coincidences in music that, if they were recently discovered in this nanny state, over-reactionary, pacified age, would probably never see the light of day due to court proceedings & all sorts of heinous crap.

BTW, The Metal Gear Solid 2 Theme Song rips off of some random Russian composer, which no one knew about until a year or two ago when someone called into a radio show. Didn't know that? Ask yourself, does that really matter to you?

UG readers need to read more Lawarence Lessig if they want an inkling of what's going on with "intellectual property", & how increasingly futile it will be as the markets are always evolving towards what is more efficient, despite the state intervention & lawyer brigade screwing things up.

Then they should read some economics (don't worry, wikipedia is sufficient to prevent total ignorance), & the criticisms of intellectual property itself.

Or, you could just sit around in your mom's basement & bitch about :insert band name here: sucking, while not realizing how utterly useless your liberal arts degree will be when you finally get it.

Anyways, so what? Joe should be thanking Coldplay; he just got free publicity, free bitching space, free attention to his music, free sympathy, probably about 50 new fans who are downloading his sh*t off of waffles.fm, demonoid, or piratebay, & probably will see some amount of compensation from the band (who will probably do the grown up thing & just keep silent & pay this pest away), & proceed to spend that money on even more self-indulgent equipment for his guitars. so i take it you plagiarize alot when you write music.

your strawman is pissing in the wind.

no, actually I take the radical approach of constructing my own music based on chords & notes I play on my guitar/bass/keyboard/drums offline, the tab them out on my comp. I use this new tool called Notepad to keep track of it all.

Hopefully, this new method of music composition will catch on quick.

[guitarsolo_17]

str84ever wrote:

Okay i haven't heard either of the songs so my opinion doesn't count for much but..

It is not kind of a coincidence that grammy nominations where yesterday and Satriani wasn't in it but Coldplay was for the instrumental award.

Then suddenly Satriani pulls out this lawsuit about them using instrumentals. Seems a bit like jealously but i haven't heard the songs so i dont know.

Besides i REALLY doubt Coldplay listen to Satriani.

agreed, but..i doubt that joe cares about Grammys....he holds a grammy record.....most nominations without an award.

[Jau_Peacecraft]

LOSTintheOZONE wrote:

You try making a living from music and having another band make money off what you wrote.

to others. the main melody is practicaly note for note.

I'm not stupid enough to risk my entire way of maintaining a standard of living in the insecure industry of making music for consumers (I knew a person who attempted this, but ended up on the welfare system, leeching a few years due to his stupid mistakes), nor do I have to the amount of time to invest in constantly playing music (as I have other interests, such as web design & writing) to the point where it would make sense to put all of my efforts into one area (which many successful musicians who make money do).

I'm smart enough to keep it as a hobby at the moment, & maybe when I'm done securing my education, learning a trade or two, & being able to provide for myself without praying that one or two roomates won't miss the rent, maybe I can pursue making honest money out of my musical efforts.

[ShivaSteampunk]

come now. half the bands in the business have been ripping lines out of JAWBREAKER for the last ten years, and now one well fed musician gets pissy.

this is like arresting someone for smoking weed. we ALL do it.

[ChurchNSkate]

I can buy that.

[antwan13]

I agree they sound very similar.

The real crime here is that no where near as many people would listen to Satriani's version over Coldplay's version, just because of the name of the band/person making the song.

Just goes to show most people listen to crap just to fit in, and not because they enjoy the music.

[BlisteringDDj]

Woozye wrote:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I

thoug ht I should share this.

I don't know what to think

It's almost the same. The chord progressions is excactly alike, and the melody is pretty much the same (although there are variations). The tempo, the time signature and the rhythm in the melody is the same... If I was in Satriani's shoes I would be pretty upset and I would definitely sue them, but for all I (or Satriani) know it could all be a pretty big coincidence, but it sure doesn't sound like one.

[æTonyæ]

personally, as many people here have said that more than just a single song sound like various musican's work I think they need to be stopped from stealing others work if they are infact doing so on purpose and its not just a coincidence.

[Zecromancer]

People always steal melodies, big deal.

It started when the people who wrote "ABC" copied "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star". Then "Wild Thing" Copied "Louie Louie", then a billion people copied "Johnny B Goode", and people have been doing it constantly! It's not a big deal.

[Rajah]

If Joe's going to sue Coldplay, maybe Canned Heat should sue Joe.
On The Road Again - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiZXjHxgMaQ&feature=related
Big Bad Moon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK-slJC_2TY

And again, I love Joe!

[Line6]

henza_x wrote:

Holy shit, joe satriani is 52???

Duh...

I go for Satriani, nodaways coldplay sucks IMO.

[Shamanic Rhythm]

A few points:

1. Everyone copies chord progressions. If they didn't rock music would not exist. Second, the melody that they've apparently copied is reasonably different, especially given that the first note of the Satriani version is held for far longer. Hardly grounds for suing.

2. How to deal with plagiarism: Don't sue. The Doors ripped off "All of the Day and All of the Night" by the Kinks in "Hello I Love You". Did Dave Davies sue? No. Instead he would just occasionally segue into Hello I Love You while playing All of the Day in concerts, as an in-joke for his fans. That's the way to do it.
The way not to do it is to follow the example set by The Chiffons when they sued George Harrison for 'unintentional plagiarism' over My Sweet Lord. They claimed it was a rip off of "He's So Fine", and promptly released a cover of "My Sweet Lord" to capitalise on the publicity. Ultimately, Harrison wound up as the owner of both songs. Karma has a funny way of getting you back.

[crls1234]

satriani is being a little bitch

[Paul Carbonella]

i like satriani, but this is not a fight he will win, nor does he want to **** around with. also, sounds like he's running outta money.

[Mr.LeadGuitar]

SurfinWithSatch wrote:

It's about damn time, I was wondering if Satch would ever find out about this. Listen on this video http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I it is the best proof of this and I wouldn't be surprised if it is actually used as evidence because it's so good. Satch is well within his rights to claim royalties. Think about it, you write a song and it has moderate success in an album of yours, then 2 years or so later some other band comes along, does exactly the same chord progression AND the same melody line. They make millions and win awards for it, would you honestly be ok with that? Of course you wouldn't, you'd do what Satch is doing and sue their asses for copy right infringement.

But it's not the same melody line. 1st of all, different keys. second, the 1st three notes of each segment-thing are the same, but at different lengths, and after that the notes vary. True, they are indeed simmilar, but too different to stand up in any court. Besides, even if it does stand up in court, Coldplay struck gold with their song, and Satch ended up with a good listen. IF satch really is suing, because this is the stuff of rumors (not that i dont like satch, he inspired me to learn the Gtar), it's a real waste of his time and he'd be better off doing what the Kinks did with "Hello I Love You" (thx, Shamanic Rhythm)

Checked.

[jimithrash]

its very similar but i personally think it's a coincidence

[nds711d]

fenderlover99 wrote:

joe satriani is officially the worlds biggest fag

noel gallegher?

[Wilkesy1000]

theres only a certain number of frets, and 6 strings.
some songs are gonna sound similar.

[thereverendsoup]

Who cares? Nothing is original. Once you start copyrighting chord progressions, melodies, guitar riffs, anything, you're pretty much taking what's rightfully a folk tradition - in this case rock 'n' roll - out of the hands of the people to whom it rightfully belongs and handing it over to lawyers.

Great job, Joe!

[poona]

I thought Satch had more class than that. I guess I was wrong.

[VengeancePuppy]

This is the point at which you go "Oh, look, that song sounds like my song!"
You don't go "OMG WTF did youze guyz rip oaaaf my songz? Gimme all yer money roflmao!"

As a music nerd Joe over here should know that the chances of another piece of music sounding like something already written are incredibly high. He's only doing it because people apparently love Coldplay's version... What a douche!

[thereverendsoup]

He's probably just not selling records like he used to.

[Nesiac]

rasinañte wrote:

Why doesn't radiohead just join the suit then?

haha yeah

[pangui]

I listened to the youtube video that plays the two songs simultaniously, and honestly, Satch should leave it alone. That chord progression is REALLY common, so there's no arguement there. There's not much to say about the melody either. I mean, there's only so much you can do with a melody within that chord progression, and they're only similar for the first bar. Which is three notes. To build a court case on that is ridiculous.

[joshua029]

they're really close. but satch's is better. so i'm jumping to his side of the fight...

[F8iscruel]

i dont think this will or should hold up in a court. i mean if satch takes this to court and wins itll mean that the second you have a hit, a band can go well look they copied us lets make money. and on the other spectrum if satch loses itll be a valid arguement for defense to use this case as an example that no meldoies or riffs are the writers own, and anyone can copy them without giving credit. settlement is probally the best bet, that or get all further printings of the album to credit satch if it is his melody, but it all depends of the nuances of the notes and the notes that match in the corresponding measures. but hey who knows this is just my opinion

[tom1thomas1]

Now I hate Coldplaay even more. Their version is so much worse than Joe's as well

[vanzahan]

I don't see why Satch waited to long to sue coldplay when viva la vida has been out for quite some time now. and im sure the first time he heard it wasnt anytime right now. so im pretty sure he's just jealous that viva la vida is being nominated and he's not. why is it so hard to believe that just because one person has come up with something, someone else cant? ever heard of the blues?!? people are saying that its such a great melody and whatever and that coldplay messed it up by plagiarizing... well if im sure whichever member in coldplay wrote that melody also thought it was great and so they decided to use it without knowing that it was already taken. how come you dont see anybody suing weird al? he's won grammys and still no one has sued him. i think this is really low of satch. and i have lost a lot of respect for him

[Vinura]

i think people are forgetting that it isnt just Satch thats sueing, its also the record company, etc

I heard this a while ago and didnt think too much

I dont blame Joe for sueing, he has that right

[Vinura]

Btw, UP YOURS COLDPLAY

[ihavenoname93]

rockmonster5000 wrote:

Holy Shit ! I did not know that Joe Satriani was 52 !

lol

i know! he looked like,40... at the oldest lol

[ihavenoname93]

vanzahan wrote:

I don't see why Satch waited to long to sue coldplay when viva la vida has been out for quite some time now. and im sure the first time he heard it wasnt anytime right now. so im pretty sure he's just jealous that viva la vida is being nominated and he's not. why is it so hard to believe that just because one person has come up with something, someone else cant? ever heard of the blues?!? people are saying that its such a great melody and whatever and that coldplay messed it up by plagiarizing... well if im sure whichever member in coldplay wrote that melody also thought it was great and so they decided to use it without knowing that it was already taken. how come you dont see anybody suing weird al? he's won grammys and still no one has sued him. i think this is really low of satch. and i have lost a lot of respect for him

do you honestly think wierd al does his songs without permission from the original artist? you sir, are ignorant

[Purple Platypus]

this is pointless...the melodies match up for maybe a bar. are we really arguing over a bar?

besides, it's pop music, all this "___ ripped off _____" is a lost cause, it's simple music, simple progression, things are bound to have similarities now and again.

music evolves through creative people ripping off their influences and mixing them with other influences, that's how it's always been done and will continue to do so.

if it was as simple as stealing melody lines from some wanking guitar god and filling in a few words then why don't you write a hit single? it's an art, and coldplay have it down...they're not the most innovative band i've ever heard, but they know how to make music that people will listen to. you have to give them credit for that.

[yonathon]

complete bollocks

sounds nothing like it, if he is sueing he wants to grow a dick or get a life.

typical yank...he looked at me..SUE HIIIM

meh

[Gormanilius]

yonathon wrote:

complete bollocks

sounds nothing like it, if he is sueing he wants to grow a dick or get a life.

typical yank...he looked at me..SUE HIIIM

meh

Get a hearing test. The majority hear it. As well, I should mention I put on joe's song in the ear of someone who likes coldplay alot, and they just thought that coldplay did an instrumental version of their song

[Gormanilius]

nds711d wrote:

fenderlover99 wrote:

joe satriani is officially the worlds biggest fag

noel gallegher?

I never thought to see the day when the two names would be used in one comment.
Not to mention that u srsyously called joe a fag? Compared to coldplay? wowwwww. Get your words right. People who sue arnt fags. I mean their are far better words that degrade one's social status. However, I do not think any can rightfully be aimed at joe

[theyoneman]

BenjaminFields wrote:

Give me a break. Joe Satriani...? He's a joke. He's contributed absolutely nothing to music. Nothing emotionally or artistically viable. As far as the homeboys he schooled...well, they took the ball and ran with it. And cmon, if consciously stolen from Satriani then they put it to MUCH BETTER use.

its statements like this that remind me why i love the internet. prob should have said "commercially viable", even tho i'd say he's done pretty well over the years. but people are entitled to their own wacky opinions.

as far as lawsuits go, it'd be one hell of a job if his lawyers can prove anything beyond "it sorta sounds like our recording," but good luck i guess.

[Skuzzmo]

WTF! Sounds similar? Sounds nothing like? Who are you people making these comments?...have you actually listened to them and compared or are you deaf?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I&feature=relate d

Try this link and have a listen... but only if you have a pair of ears cos I don't think they support makaton on youtube.

[Jau_Peacecraft]

Gormanilius wrote:

yonathon wrote:

complete bollocks

sounds nothing like it, if he is sueing he wants to grow a dick or get a life.

typical yank...he looked at me..SUE HIIIM

Get a hearing test. The majority hear it. As well, I should mention I put on joe's song in the ear of someone who likes coldplay alot, and they just thought that coldplay did an instrumental version of their song

Ah yes, if the majority says "jump", one should say "how high?".

[xorg3]

coldplay ripped someone off other then themselves?

[kamikaze_duck]

Not a big fan of Coldplay, I find them depressing and samey, Joe Satriani gets boring after half a song. Listening to the youtube vids and the comparison of them both though, I'm with Joe on this one, they fit together almost perfectly. I do think they should get together and do the two songs at gigs and stuff though, it would make both of them more exciting. Just shit though going through court, especially for Joe.. he's 52!? wtf?
just give him the money, hes going to have arthritis soon enough,stopping him from playing guitar. At least he'll then have enough money to pay for loads of hookers.

[ThePechanator]

henza_x wrote:

Holy shit, joe satriani is 52???

That's also what surprised me the most.

[Theotherdrug]

if you play the track right over the other it sounds exactly the same..... i think cold play will loose this one

[GaijinFoot]

SurfinWithSatch wrote:

It's about damn time, I was wondering if Satch would ever find out about this. Listen on this video http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I it is the best proof of this and I wouldn't be surprised if it is actually used as evidence because it's so good. Satch is well within his rights to claim royalties. Think about it, you write a song and it has moderate success in an album of yours, then 2 years or so later some other band comes along, does exactly the same chord progression AND the same melody line. They make millions and win awards for it, would you honestly be ok with that? Of course you wouldn't, you'd do what Satch is doing and sue their asses for copy right infringement.

I still don't think they are that much alike. I mean they both start with same 2 notes but there is only like 24 possible 2 note pattens you can make on an instrument.
Hate coldplay though so hope they get sued for it/spit

[GaijinFoot]

sorry 144 possible 2 note pattens*

[superchris]

what i dont get is everyone is so quick to stick p for satriani 'oh, it cant be him, its his management', and so quick to slag of coldplay 'omgzz theyre crap anyway, how they get s0000d!'

at the end of the day, if you hear a song, it will subconsciously stay in your mind. this doesnt make it theft, merely an unconscious writing influence.

equally, if satriani wins, it will lay a precedent, opening the floogates for such cases. so, if you play guitar, even if youre a satriani fan, i hope for your sakes you dont want him to win this case. as if he does, it could be you in court in 5 years time...

seriously kids, use your heads.

[deadbeatchicken]

Law Suits... People these days are so immature. One could say that in any given (basic and uncomplicated) song, there are only 8 notes a musician can play. The chances two bands might run into the same melody or chord progression are astronomical.
Also you don't see daft punk bitching up a storm at Kanye West who stole the exact samples from their song.

[Bigshoutout]

Shredder666 wrote:

Someone has got to set things straight here!

OK, some people are saying Joe doesn't have the right to sue over that one melody.

THIS IS A DIFFERENT STORY! If you listen to both songs at the exact same time (there's a video on YouTube), you will see that Coldplay used the EXACT SAME TEMPO, the EXACT SAME CHORD PROGRESSION, and a VERY SIMILAR MELODY.

Now Coldplay is already rich, and it disgusts me to see them do this. Joe deserves every penny he demands. He's the one with actual talent. He doesn't care about money, the only thing he cares about is to share his art with the world, but Coldplay tried to strip him from that. Shame on you Coldplay, and shame on you Chris Martin!

A general knowledge for music here, too bad its soiled in stupidity.

There is a whole song behind VLV, Satch has a simple chord sequence and a guitar behind it, VLV doesnt even use ****ing guitars. There is no case here, the fact you hate Coldplay is irrelivent. It's one of the smartest pop songs i've ever heard and i think anyone else would be lying if they said both the lyric and instrumentation behind it wern't fantastic.

[guitardude2012]

i think this is stupid because lots of songs sound the same...like knockin on heavens door and every rose has it's thorn..... G,C, and D...used the same way....and just for the record i think satch is a loser and is just jellious of coldplay

[longhornchad200]

Maybe satch should write some lyrics and learn how to sing first.

[Sean-Man]

deadbeatchicken wrote:

Law Suits... People these days are so immature. One could say that in any given (basic and uncomplicated) song, there are only 8 notes a musician can play. The chances two bands might run into the same melody or chord progression are astronomical.
Also you don't see daft punk bitching up a storm at Kanye West who stole the exact samples from their song.

Daft Punk isn't bitching at kanye west because they let him sample the song, for god sakes Daft Punk is even in the music video lol

[kennedys1]

they should just collaborate and make a new version of the song so they can both profit off of it and stop all the bitching! oh and it does sound awesome together!

[mitch311]

longhornchad200 wrote:

Maybe satch should write some lyrics and learn how to sing first.

He can sing

[Megahunter]

Aziraphale wrote:

unless he starts making vocal music.

Joe has actually made a few songs that has vocals in them 2 of them are Big Bad Moon and The Phone Call

[CraigKing]

People who are saying Satch is "Well within his right" Have none off them watched this?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI

If anything, they have more right to sue Satch.

However, i'm in the mindset that it's all simply coincidental. I dont think anyone Intentially ripped anyone off.

[mercedesisbenz]

Otnip wrote:

Drummer182 wrote:

mercedesisbenz wrote:

I don't understand why any of you are siding with coldplay, why would Joe Satriani come out with this out of the blue? I can't really see him sitting around with nothing better to do than to sue coldplay.

True that but honestly I want their plane to hit something very very hard

Wow, death threats to musicians just because they play music you don't like. Very mature. Glad to see you made an account to take a dump on a artist that did nothing to you, and advocates (10% of their income is donated) for many non profit organizations to helping reduce poverty in countries such as Africa.

for the record, africa is a continent

[X-Boy]

I'm pretty sure it's not joe suing....It must be the management, the label, etc....

Joe's just a scapegoat...

[greenparty49]

They do sound a lot alike, but your probably right X-Boy

[jambajews]

haha they sound so similar

[killeranndy]

henza_x wrote:

Holy shit, joe satriani is 52???

yea that shocked me too

[mlemme]

i highly, highly doubt that Coldplay ever heard the song, or was even aware that the song existed. if this was satch sueing someone like paul gilbert, who plays generally the same music and would more than likely hear that song, he has a case, but c'mon coldplay? it sounds LIKE it but its used in completely different context and there isnt a prayer that they would listen to satch. Does anyone really anyway?

[IRONxPANTERA]

SurfinWithSatch wrote:

It's about damn time, I was wondering if Satch would ever find out about this. Listen on this video http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I it is the best proof of this and I wouldn't be surprised if it is actually used as evidence because it's so good. Satch is well within his rights to claim royalties. Think about it, you write a song and it has moderate success in an album of yours, then 2 years or so later some other band comes along, does exactly the same chord progression AND the same melody line. They make millions and win awards for it, would you honestly be ok with that? Of course you wouldn't, you'd do what Satch is doing and sue their asses for copy right infringement.

I agree with this

[gtrfreak182]

Pure coincidence I think, I doubt Coldplay listens to him. But wow do they sound similar

[BigB-head]

Not coincidence.

[BigB-head]

Appearantly, Coldplay has been accused in many a time before of plagiarism:

http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2005/07/04/col dplay-admits-plagiarism/

And along with that i remember reading in an interview with Yahoo, them stating that they where heavily influenced by alot of artists, and a times "Borrowed" stuff.

[WheresTheBass?]

If Satriani wins this suit then i urge whoever owns the rights to Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da (I don't think the Beatles or their label own it any more) to sue the ass of The Offspring for "Why Don't You get A Job" ... that's the exact same melody and chord progression

[Shyne]

mlemme wrote:

i highly, highly doubt that Coldplay ever heard the song, or was even aware that the song existed. if this was satch sueing someone like paul gilbert, who plays generally the same music and would more than likely hear that song, he has a case, but c'mon coldplay? it sounds LIKE it but its used in completely different context and there isnt a prayer that they would listen to satch. Does anyone really anyway?

no... nobody ever listens to one of the biggest guitarists in the world.

jeez.

they stole, got caught, need to own up.

[Digital_Sleeper]

SurfinWithSatch wrote:

It's about damn time, I was wondering if Satch would ever find out about this. Listen on this video http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I it is the best proof of this and I wouldn't be surprised if it is actually used as evidence because it's so good. Satch is well within his rights to claim royalties. Think about it, you write a song and it has moderate success in an album of yours, then 2 years or so later some other band comes along, does exactly the same chord progression AND the same melody line. They make millions and win awards for it, would you honestly be ok with that? Of course you wouldn't, you'd do what Satch is doing and sue their asses for copy right infringement.

of course this comes from a guy whos name is "surfinwithsatch"

[Digital_Sleeper]

ihavenoname93 wrote:

vanzahan wrote:

I don't see why Satch waited to long to sue coldplay when viva la vida has been out for quite some time now. and im sure the first time he heard it wasnt anytime right now. so im pretty sure he's just jealous that viva la vida is being nominated and he's not. why is it so hard to believe that just because one person has come up with something, someone else cant? ever heard of the blues?!? people are saying that its such a great melody and whatever and that coldplay messed it up by plagiarizing... well if im sure whichever member in coldplay wrote that melody also thought it was great and so they decided to use it without knowing that it was already taken. how come you dont see anybody suing weird al? he's won grammys and still no one has sued him. i think this is really low of satch. and i have lost a lot of respect for him

do you honestly think wierd al does his songs without permission from the original artist? you sir, are ignorant

"Although Yankovic traditionally secures permission from the artists he parodies (even though this is not legally required), and was told by his record label that Coolio had given permission, Coolio later claimed that he had not given such permission. This created a minor controversy, as speculation surfaced that Coolio had actually given permission but later claimed he had not in the fear that allowing the parody would not be seen as "cool", or that Yankovic's record label had lied to Yankovic in the hopes that the song would become popular. Yankovic later stated on VH-1's Behind the Music that he had written a sincere letter of apology to Coolio which was never returned, and that Coolio never complained when he received his royalty check from proceeds of the song. A series of photos taken at the XM Satellite Radio booth at the 2006 Consumer Electronics Show suggests that Yankovic and Coolio may have made amends.[1] According to Al, he was as surprised as anyone when Coolio came over to chat."

[Iron-Rules]

....

ORIGINALITY IS JUST NON DISCOVERED PLAGIARISM...

....

[pty17]

I'm not sure what some of you are talking about.
Several parts of the songs sound exactly the same and it isn't a simple everyday melody that people think of randomly.
I like the people that stick up for Coldplay by saying that they probably don't listen to him haha
Hope that holds up in the case.

[atthedrive-thru]

i really don't care if coldplay ripped satch off, coldplay's version is better

[pty17]

atthedrive-thru wrote:

i really don't care if coldplay ripped satch off, coldplay's version is better

Agreed

[LedJPageZep]

There are 2 things the plaintiff must prove in order to win a copyright infringement suit: substantial similarity and access. However, the plaintiff must also prove they have a valid copyright. As far as music goes, chord progressions are not copyrightable, but melodies are. First of all, Satriani must establish the originally of the melody and that he authored it in a fixed format (sheet music for example) before Coldplay. Satriani should be able to prove substantial similarity, because the melodies are almost identical. He will most likely argue access because the work has been recorded by a record company and is accessible by cd, mp3, streaming radio, etc. Keep in mind, cases have been won where the defendant subconsciously copied a work (having a tune stuck in their head).

[lumpykills]

This is pretty dumb. Guitards and Normies battling it out over something as dumb as a melody.

This was plagarisim, this was a publicity stunt. One that Joe obviously needed.

The fact is, this was only a similarity, and Buckethead could eat Joe Satriani for breakfast.

This has also been going on for years in Techno. Dj's borrow from other songs all the time, but noone cares. As long as someone is loving the tunes, it doesn't matter.

This just shows that Joe Satriani has a sandy vagina.

...And that he plaes in comparision to Buckethead.

Did I mention that Buckethead is superior yet?
Because he is.
By far.

[lumpykills]

Erm, wasn't plagarisim.

[Flying Afros]

Damn, I like both groups...I hope they work this out without a sue

[hd7373]

Satriani makes full albums of him wanking over generic chord progressions which by the way is very similar to Alizee "J'en ai Marre!" another generic progression that was released before Satriani. If you spend that much time wanking over chord progressions your bound to hit the occassional piece of a a hit melody.

[Dgfduck]

abrancato85 wrote:

Leave Coldplay alone. Not that I'm a fan or anything but any band whether it be Coldplay or even Creed damn it, that can stop Lil Wayne from winning a grammy, we must be behind that band full force! At least until the grammys are over.

Lmao I'm with you bro, let's pray to god that Lil ****er Wayne doesn't get any grammy's. He doesn't even play any instruments, sing, or rap; he just says stupid ass shit like "i make it rain," anybody can do that.

[nickrawkz1]

They sound nothing alike. Satrani is making enough money, so stfu.

[GuitarUltimate?]

oh man, they both sound exactly like girlfriend...

Come on. All music is inspired by all music. The only line to be crossed is when it sounds like a cover. Which is Doesn't at all.

[SharpObject]

While admittedly the melodies are almost identical, I just don't see how anyone can justify getting ugly over this kinda thing, unless of course he's jealous that they made a single out of it.

[SharpObject]

Ulalume wrote:

From what I see the only thing similar is the chord progression. He's suing over a chord progression? Lets let the guy who first used Cmaj to Am sue everyone in the world.

Satriani (and Coldplay) are over-rated and now just pushing the envelope to stupid.

I think it's over the melody, which sounds close to verbatim

[thExcomunicated]

geez its retarded. Its an extremely simple melody line.
Doesn't any one else make a riff or solo line and then realise that you already know it? or make a riff and then a while later hear a song that sounds exactly the same?
it happens to me all the time.

[jean_genie]

This is why any trial needs to prove intent. I've written a couple of songs that sounded like something I heard on the radio a year later. The reason I don't run right down to my lawyer's office is because I could never prove that Nickelback or whoever's new song is copied from mine, but uptempo and with simplified chording. There is so much music out there, that intent is necessary to keep the Stones from getting sued by every middle-aged band with a home recording studio.

There's obviously no intent here. The chords are similar, but the Coldplay tune undergoes some changes, while the Satch tune stays more-or-less the same. The Coldplay song is also a full arrangement, while the Satch song is basically just a backing track for his soloing.

Not the same. People need to stop supporting the underdog just because he's an underdog. There are plenty of great regional - if not local - bands that would love your unfailing support. Go rant about one of them.

Checked

[royalewcheese35]

um the coldplay version sounds better to me than that obscure satch elevator music song. So if they had to plagiarize or whatever to make it so be it. I'm enjoying it. And satch probably needs the publicity anyway.

[LegsOnEarth]

its not plagiarism, but i hope satch wins because that coldplay song makes my skin crawl.

[scarfacesuit]

It sounds very similar... I don't know what to think. The rhythm and everything sounds almost the same, but I just can't picture the idea of Coldplay listening to Satriani.

Satriani=good.
Coldplay=crap.

It just doesn't add up...

[yM.Samurai]

I agree that it wouldn't be plagiarism if only the chord progression was the same, but when the melody line AND the timing are the same? If you hear them played together, you'll know what I mean.
Music is based upon timing and tuning. When they're both the same...it HAS to be plagiarism.

[Syfox]

Why is he complaining now? Wasn't the song out aaages ago?

[MRAAJR]

all of you little girls that are like "Coldplay is awesome" are on ultimate-GUITAR, and being that Satch is one of the greatest their is. You should be banned from this site. Did they plagiarize? It seems that they did, but who really knows

[ComexAsxYouxAre]

His lawyer made him do it.

[girl-tarist]

The_String_Man wrote:

henza_x wrote:

Holy shit, joe satriani is 52???

lol just what i was also thinking

bahaha... me too.

[YetAnotherMuso]

jean_genie wrote:

This is why any trial needs to prove intent. I've written a couple of songs that sounded like something I heard on the radio a year later. The reason I don't run right down to my lawyer's office is because I could never prove that Nickelback or whoever's new song is copied from mine, but uptempo and with simplified chording. There is so much music out there, that intent is necessary to keep the Stones from getting sued by every middle-aged band with a home recording studio.

There's obviously no intent here. The chords are similar, but the Coldplay tune undergoes some changes, while the Satch tune stays more-or-less the same. The Coldplay song is also a full arrangement, while the Satch song is basically just a backing track for his soloing.

Not the same. People need to stop supporting the underdog just because he's an underdog. There are plenty of great regional - if not local - bands that would love your unfailing support. Go rant about one of them.

Point there.

[Build An Army]

Satch is one of my biggest idols but this is just lame. So Coldplay sings the same tune as Satch plays for like 30 seconds, its not like they played the whole guitar part which I could understand if they had but... I'm pretty sure that other people would of used the same chords and movements/progressions as Satch has in other songs but to sue everyone would just be stupid.

Even more to the point, Coldplay would never listen to Satch and Satch would never listen to Coldplay.

[Big Tommy P]

They're both good songs, instead of turning this into some legal fiasco, they should just perform a hybrid together. Something like "If I Could La Vida" would sound very good, methinks.

[Build An Army]

Big Tommy P wrote:

They're both good songs, instead of turning this into some legal fiasco, they should just perform a hybrid together. Something like "If I Could La Vida" would sound very good, methinks.

Yeah I agree, theres a video on YouTube that has combined both songs and it sounds pretty cool

[frett_ledgend]

I'm on Satch's side with this, all the effort he put into writing 'If I Could Fly' and then some other band just take it and recieve acknowledgement from everyone, it just sucks

[pkweon]

I totally saw this coming

[tands]

MonsterOfRock wrote:

Jau_Peacecraft wrote:

Satriani just lost my respect, what an idiot. He would've been better off making a sarcastic announcement concerning how Coldplay ripped off of him. At least then, he'd probably would've gotten dialogue started, & i wouldn't be surprised if Coldplay & joe eventually met up to discuss things outside of court.

What a fuc*ing child; you don't see David Bowie bitching & whining about people stealing chord progressions from his songs, do you? Nope, he's too busy working his ass off (despite a recent heart attack).

BTW, remember the Bruce Springsteen article on how he plagarized from the guy from who wrote 876-5309? No? Does it matter anyways? (Supposedly, Bruce ripped it off in the song "Radio Nowhere" off of Magic; I couldn't tell the difference despite being a composer myself).

Intellectual property does not exist, sorry folks. Get over it, get off your ass, & start dealing with the future.

Or, you could do what every other Tom Dick & Harry is doing, which is reinforcing the primitive concept of a monopoly over a vague concept such as an "idea", or "melody" (literal composition elements in notation excluded, but I doubt joe will get that technical & properly word his argument), further the law soup & red tape surrounding making music, of all things, & continue to fuel the RIAA way of doing things: extorting everyone & their grandma until you've managed to coerce your way back into the market by making people buy into your bullshit.

I could easily list a bunch of ****ing coincidences in music that, if they were recently discovered in this nanny state, over-reactionary, pacified age, would probably never see the light of day due to court proceedings & all sorts of heinous crap.

BTW, The Metal Gear Solid 2 Theme Song rips off of some random Russian composer, which no one knew about until a year or two ago when someone called into a radio show. Didn't know that? Ask yourself, does that really matter to you?

UG readers need to read more Lawarence Lessig if they want an inkling of what's going on with "intellectual property", & how increasingly futile it will be as the markets are always evolving towards what is more efficient, despite the state intervention & lawyer brigade screwing things up.

Then they should read some economics (don't worry, wikipedia is sufficient to prevent total ignorance), & the criticisms of intellectual property itself.

Or, you could just sit around in your mom's basement & bitch about :insert band name here: sucking, while not realizing how utterly useless your liberal arts degree will be when you finally get it.

Anyways, so what? Joe should be thanking Coldplay; he just got free publicity, free bitching space, free attention to his music, free sympathy, probably about 50 new fans who are downloading his sh*t off of waffles.fm, demonoid, or piratebay, & probably will see some amount of compensation from the band (who will probably do the grown up thing & just keep silent & pay this pest away), & proceed to spend that money on even more self-indulgent equipment for his guitars.

With all due respect to what the **** you are saying, I dont think you are Joe Satriani. If you had written a song off YOUR heart (if you have one) and some random idiot would rip it off you, you'd be pissed off.

Its not the same judgemental mind that you and I have as the outsider, as opposed to the artist that just got ripped off. Read my earlier post, I do agree with you.

agree

[Caribousunking]

I just had a shit. Hope Coldplay don't sue me for plagiarism.

[howrylak1]

I have always known that cold play is a bunch of FRAUDS

[metaladdict123]

look on youtube for the theory behind both songs, it is here were you will find enlightenment, that coldplay are a bunch of frauds.

god i hope satch wins

[ryman04]

oh my god this is amazing
i friggin hate cold play
they deserve it

checked.

[STE 969]

What really gets me is that this isnt the first time Coldplay have been accused of plaigiarism.
Chris Martin even said in an interview with rolling stones mag:
"We’re definitely good, but I don’t think you can say we’re that original,” he notes. “I regard us as being incredibly good plagiarists.”

http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2005/07/04/c oldplay-admits-plagiarism/

This is a lack of talent.
All modern bands want is money.

[Fender6]

Someone combined Joe's song with Cold Play's song on youtube, and it sounds almost exactly alike.

[Jau_Peacecraft]

YetAnotherMuso wrote:

jean_genie wrote:

This is why any trial needs to prove intent. I've written a couple of songs that sounded like something I heard on the radio a year later. The reason I don't run right down to my lawyer's office is because I could never prove that Nickelback or whoever's new song is copied from mine, but uptempo and with simplified chording. There is so much music out there, that intent is necessary to keep the Stones from getting sued by every middle-aged band with a home recording studio.

There's obviously no intent here. The chords are similar, but the Coldplay tune undergoes some changes, while the Satch tune stays more-or-less the same. The Coldplay song is also a full arrangement, while the Satch song is basically just a backing track for his soloing.

Not the same. People need to stop supporting the underdog just because he's an underdog. There are plenty of great regional - if not local - bands that would love your unfailing support. Go rant about one of them.

Point there.

This.

[Helpy Helperton]

royalewcheese35 wrote:

um the coldplay version sounds better to me than that obscure satch elevator music song. So if they had to plagiarize or whatever to make it so be it. I'm enjoying it. And satch probably needs the publicity anyway.

why are you on a Ultimate-Guitar.com?:

1.i think the Coldplay song is alright, there's not really alot going on there for my tastes, but I still think Satch's song blows it away
2.Satch is recognised far and wide as one of the best guitarists around at the moment, maybe not by a lot of listeners of generic music on the radio.

[recliner33]

Vin2254 wrote:

recliner33 wrote:

There's also some Indie band in NY I believe that says that viva la vida is almost the exact same as one of their songs. On a local radio station they played clips from both songs and they did kind of sound similar. Sure you could call it a coincidence once, but if satriani is also accusing them of ripping off music then maybe coldplay are a bunch of hacks. Plus in the past, Chris Martin even admitted to ripping off certain artists, I forget who he mentioned though.

you contradicted yourself. how could he have stolen the same song from two different artists?

Maybe certain parts of the coldplay song sounded similar to this indie band and other parts of the song sounded like satriani's song. Or maybe this indie band ripped off satriani too. So I'm not contradicting myself. And I'm not just making shit up because this band did want to sue but they didn't have enough evidence. I think they were called the creaky boards or something like that.

[rock_or_roll]

Thefallofman :
There are only 12 notes in the world... obviously it's inevitable that you're copying someone, whether you know it or not.

in the western world that is..

[OXL]

It sounds similar but I think it's just a coincidence. Nevertheless, I hope satch wins this thing.