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Metallica's Lars Ulrich Discusses Music Being Used As Torture

artist: metallica date: 04/30/2009 category: general music news
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Metallica's Lars Ulrich Discusses Music Being Used As Torture

Not surprisingly, many musicians aren’t happy with the United States government’s choice to blast rock music at detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo Bay as a form of torture.

Among the bands whose music is being used for torture is Metallica; whose 1991 hit "Enter Sandman" is reportedly a popular song to play over and over again at top volume to detainees. Drummer Lars Ulrich of Metallica made an appearance on the MSNBC news program "The Rachel Maddow Show" to discuss the government’s bizarre torture methods. Video of their discussion can be viewed here.

Responding to the idea that the music is used "to create fear, disorient ... and prolong capture shock" (a quote from Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the man who authorized the use of music as torture), Ulrich says: "If there are people that are dumb enough to use Metallica to interrogate prisoners, you're forgetting about all the music that's to the left of us. I can name, you know, 30 Norwegian death metal bands that would make Metallica sound like Simon and Garfunkle."

He adds, "There is a lot of Metallica music that's helping a lot of scared 18, 19, and 20-year-old kids out there who are out on the front lines and who are doing a hell of a job on behalf of you and me and the rest of us. But obviously when you hear stories like the one you're telling, it all seems so bizarre and so strange that Metallica's music, which generally sort of facilitates bringing people together, is used in these bizarre circumstances. It's certainly not something that we in any way advocate or condone."

Lars isn’t the only musician who’s upset with how their music is being used. Guitarist Tom Morello of Rage Against The Machine has been particularly vocal about his distaste of the practice even going so far as to tell fans at a concert, "I suggest that they level Guantanamo Bay, but they keep one small cell and they put [former U.S. President George W. Bush] in there ... and they blast some Rage Against the Machine."

Not all musicians appear to be against it, however. Bassist Steve Benton of Drowning Pool was honored to hear that the band’s song ""” was being used on prisoners. "People assume we should be offended that somebody in the military thinks our song is annoying enough that played over and over it can psychologically break someone down," he tells Spin magazine. "I take it as an honor to think that perhaps our song could be used to quell another 9/11 attack or something like that."

Military contractor Donald Vance from Chicago, IL was wrongly imprisoned in a military detention center in Iraq and said the tactics could make "innocent men go mad." Vance told MSNBC that he was "locked in an overcooled 9-foot-by-9-foot cell that had a speaker with a metal grate over it. Two large speakers stood in the hallway outside. The music was almost constant, mostly hard rock."

"There was a lot of Nine Inch Nails, including ‘March of the Pigs,’" he said. "I couldn’t tell you how many times I heard Queen’s ‘We Will Rock You.’"

He adds, "I had no blanket or sheet. If I had, I would probably have tried suicide. I got to a few points toward the end where I thought, ‘How can I do this?’ Actively plotting, ‘How can I get away with it so they don’t stop it?’" When asked to describe how it felt to be in his position, he said: "It sort of removes you from you. You can no longer formulate your own thoughts when you’re in an environment like that."

Vance was eventually released after spending 97 days incarcerated. He says that even two years later he keeps his home "very quiet."

Report by David Lowe-Bianco.

POSTED: 04/30/2009 - 08:48 am
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comments policy  322  comments posted, 7 removed | this article is 98% spam-free
     
edbert wrote on 04/30/2009 - 08:52 am / quote |
soon they'll be mad that we're using guns against them...
     
SmackThis707 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:10 am / quote |
if they really wanted to torture someone, they should play brokencyde. that will make anyone go insane.
     
XtractionProces wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:15 am / quote |
SmackThis707 wrote:

if they really wanted to torture someone, they should play brokencyde. that will make anyone go insane.


[/article]
     
zarreph wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:17 am / quote |
Come on man, seriously? Music is meant to be enjoyed, not used for torture. This is taking something that an artist put together because they love what they do, and bastardizing it. I am so incredibly against this...

(and that Drowning Pool bassist is an idiot)
     
loveguitar2494 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:17 am / quote |
3 words that would break any man... Fall Out Boy hahhahah
     
HeavyMetalHokie wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:19 am / quote |
they should play jonas brothers. id cut off my arm just to get them to shut it off.

and good for the guy from drowning pool. it proves you can be a patriot and a musician
     
FireBirdKing wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:28 am / quote |
loveguitar2494 wrote:

3 words that would break any man... Fall Out Boy hahhahah


Add three more letters: MCR
     
FireBirdKing wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:29 am / quote |
I'm really glad to see Ulrich and Morello agreeing on something...Lars isn't a complete idiot even though he acts like it a lot I still love the man.
     
loganpwns wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:38 am / quote |
loveguitar2494 wrote:

3 words that would break any man... Fall Out Boy hahhahah

+1
     
merrill_howard wrote on 04/30/2009 - 10:05 am / quote |
i could care less where my music is played, as long as its being played somewhere
     
robinmat wrote on 04/30/2009 - 10:10 am / quote |
The fact is that ANYTHING used in excess for a prolonged period will have negative impact on a person in isolated environment - even if it's something that the person normally likes.
The ultimate HYPOCRISY is that the government (military in this case) is using the type of music that was essentially created by intelligent and rebellious people as the response to the dissatisfaction with their own lives - primarily provided by that same establishment. "War Pigs" comes to mind.
     
webbtje wrote on 04/30/2009 - 10:13 am / quote |
I can name, you know, 30 Norwegian death metal bands that would make Metallica sound like Simon and Garfunkle.


Which is a shame, because Norway's mainly known for its black metal.

Finally, one of the involved musicians actually has a problem with their music being used. And no mention of Deicide being used? For shame!
     
LordThon wrote on 04/30/2009 - 10:33 am / quote |
zarreph wrote:

(and that Drowning Pool bassist is an idiot)


Thank Christ, I'm not alone in seeing that. If I'm not mistaken, that attack was based out of disgust for our (the western world's) way of life.
...Isn't that what this music promotes? Yeah, good call there, chief. Let's expose them to endless hours of just what they abhor. Maybe they'll go away.
     
mlukeroberts222 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 11:25 am / quote |
I like Drowning Pool but that dude crossed the line...there is no place for torture. Long live Morello/Ulrich!!
     
DyingToFish wrote on 04/30/2009 - 11:48 am / quote |
I agree with both sides. True, you dont want your music being used as a form of toture, but then again as a metal musician, to anyone who doesnt like it will find it to be torture. and to be honest, I would play it regardless of what people think because Id find it an insult that they would find it to be torture > They most likely deserve it also. PLEASE! NO MORE CANNIBAL CORPSE! lol. But i would feel bad afterwards
     
Blitz93 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 11:54 am / quote |
SmackThis707 :
if they really wanted to torture someone, they should play brokencyde. that will make anyone go insane.


This.
     
JimmyC8277 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:00 pm / quote |
Tom Morello of Rage Against The Machine has been particularly vocal about his distaste of the practice even going so far as to tell fans at a concert, "I suggest that they level Guantanamo Bay, but they keep one small cell and they put [former U.S. President George W. Bush] in there ... and they blast some Rage Against the Machine."


amazing idea!
     
Lchoke wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:01 pm / quote |
i wouldent mind this type of torture sign me up
     
AEnima18 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:03 pm / quote |
Ulrich and Morello are dead-on, but I think the Drowing Pool guy is an idiot, personally. Strange seeing as I also find Metallica and RATM to be damn good bands but I think Drowning Pool are average at the very best.
     
El_Bozo wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:04 pm / quote |
I can name two albums that would make a great material for torturing:
Demilich - Nesphite
Gorguts - Obscura

(+whole grindcore genre)
     
antagonist72 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:06 pm / quote |
SmackThis707 wrote:

if they really wanted to torture someone, they should play brokencyde. that will make anyone go insane.


+1
     
colbym91 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:08 pm / quote |
Norweigan BLACK metal lars...
     
MightyAl wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:09 pm / quote |
TBH, I think it's less the music itself, more the fact that it's constant, high-volume with no way you can go anywhere quieter.
You could probably get the same effect from pretty much anything, though a continuous loop of drum solos and bass solos would probably break people within a few hours.
     
Shakalum wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:09 pm / quote |
lars = typical behavior.

morello = typical behavior.

when are people going to stop giving a fukc about what lars ulrich has to say? hopefully sometime. sometime. oh, sometime...
     
Andragon wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:11 pm / quote |
For once, Lars makes slightly intelligent arguments.
     
hugh20 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:12 pm / quote |
St Anger?
     
FallenSaint wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:15 pm / quote |
Fuck man, put on anything by Stalaggh. At normal volume it already ****s ppl up.

I know for a fact they would love to hear their "music" being used in such a manner.

Or Meshuggah, polyrhythms from hell! Bleed on 24/7 (lol)
     
whoa_backoff wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:16 pm / quote |
I agree that fall out boy and mcr should be played instead for better effect.
     
FallenSaint wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:16 pm / quote |
Fuck man, put on anything by Stalaggh. At normal volume it already ****s ppl up.

I know for a fact they would love to hear their "music" being used in such a manner.

Or Meshuggah, polyrhythms from hell! Bleed on 24/7 (lol)
     
thewickerman512 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:21 pm / quote |
Why play enter sandman for torture? If they wanted faster responses, then make them listen to St. Anger, blast that into my ears at full volume for a few hours and I'll tell you my grandma's bank account number.
     
Macabre_Turtle wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:22 pm / quote |
Okay, Lars. Please name me 30 Norwegian DEATH metal band. Do it.
Not sure whether I agree or not.
Though, you probably shouldn't use a popular band that people generally find likable.
Or maybe the should remove the instrumentals and just play them metallica vocal tracks all day! That would be torture, whether you like them or not.
     
One-FISH- wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:24 pm / quote |
Dir en grey...that'd get it done.
     
jetfuel495 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:35 pm / quote |
Tom Morello of Rage Against The Machine has been particularly vocal about his distaste of the practice even going so far as to tell fans at a concert, "I suggest that they level Guantanamo Bay, but they keep one small cell and they put [former U.S. President George W. Bush] in there ... and they blast some Rage Against the Machine."
That'd be funny.

But seriously, I think I'd kill myself if I had to listen to Enter Sandman over and over. Face meets wall.
     
the agony scene wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:39 pm / quote |
LordThon wrote:

zarreph wrote:

(and that Drowning Pool bassist is an idiot)

Thank Christ, I'm not alone in seeing that. If I'm not mistaken, that attack was based out of disgust for our (the western world's) way of life.
...Isn't that what this music promotes? Yeah, good call there, chief. Let's expose them to endless hours of just what they abhor. Maybe they'll go away.

lol you dont quite understand torture do you.
     
ed_the_head wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:43 pm / quote |
i love Enter Sandman, but same pentatonic lick under wah pedal over and over again, it is kinda torture to the rest of us too
     
Mr. Chang wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:46 pm / quote |
They should use Free Jazz, more than one listen of that will drive anybody nuts
     
darkl64 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:48 pm / quote |
Why did they choose Metallica's most mainstream song?
My DAD likes Sandman.
They could've picked Battery or anything off Kill 'Em All and it would've got the job done in half the time.
Of course, if they had any sense it would've been something more like Gorgoroth or Slayer.
     
Slayer2 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:49 pm / quote |
any Les Legions Noires black metal would literally make ears bleed. In fact, as much as i love black metal, any amount of the underground stuff played loud enough would induce brain hemmoraging
     
bfchead wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:49 pm / quote |
Enter Sandman is a great song, i saw wanna be a terrorist now, just so i can listen to my favorite music on full volume +1 for the U.S.A
     
isabiggles wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:50 pm / quote |
I'd rather get have waterboarding done on me then that.

*shudders*
     
Earendelgtr wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:50 pm / quote |
The ultimate HYPOCRISY is that the government (military in this case) is using the type of music that was essentially created by intelligent and rebellious people as the response to the dissatisfaction with their own lives - primarily provided by that same establishment. "War Pigs" comes to mind.

Win. And tho I generally dislike Ulrich he's right on the ball here, and not a bad idea from Morello :P
     
paddypadman wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:52 pm / quote |
Supposedly Hetfield doesn't really mind according to March's "Q" Magazine..

There was a whole section devoted to the certain songs that are used as torture..
     
dentrix wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:52 pm / quote |
HeavyMetalHokie wrote:
and good for the guy from drowning pool. it proves you can be a patriot and a musician

Theres nothing patriotic about torturing people, just shows us sinking to the level of the supposed evil we're fighting
     
Slayer2 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:55 pm / quote |
[quoteHeavyMetalHokie wrote:
and good for the guy from drowning pool. it proves you can be a patriot and a musician

Theres nothing patriotic about torturing people, just shows us sinking to the level of the supposed evil we're fighting
][/quote]

100% agree. Torture is a way of stooping down to primitive ways of resolving conflict
     
FireBirdKing wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:57 pm / quote |
paddypadman wrote:

Supposedly Hetfield doesn't really mind according to March's "Q" Magazine..

There was a whole section devoted to the certain songs that are used as torture..


to be completely honest i dont see how wrong this is. We arent doing any physical harm ( hearing damage MAYBE) so...the conservatives should love this.
     
RUSTDOGG666 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:58 pm / quote |
I can name, you know, 30 Norwegian death metal bands that would make Metallica sound like Simon and Garfunkle


Wow Lars. I mean okay I can agree with this but come on dude your insulting your own band by saying that. Even though this is true I wouldn't be saying that about a band that I'm in but whatever.
     
jamie_hough wrote on 04/30/2009 - 12:58 pm / quote |
dentrix wrote:

HeavyMetalHokie wrote:
and good for the guy from drowning pool. it proves you can be a patriot and a musician

Theres nothing patriotic about torturing people, just shows us sinking to the level of the supposed evil we're fighting


Well said sir... That drowing pool bassist doesnt have a clue - torture only breeds more hatred for the West..Im not saying lets all daisy chain each other but torture isnt the way...
     
pyritmann wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:01 pm / quote |
This is what happens to me when i walk into the grocery store, mainstream radio is blasting over the speakers and I barely make it out alive!
     
tbag2325 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:02 pm / quote |
lars = typical behavior.

morello = typical behavior.

when are people going to stop giving a fukc about what lars ulrich has to say? hopefully sometime. sometime. oh, sometime...


When are YOU going to stop giving a fukc about what lars ulrich says? You realize that by posting you're only FUELing the fire.
     
FireBirdKing wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:03 pm / quote |
RUSTDOGG666 wrote:

I can name, you know, 30 Norwegian death metal bands that would make Metallica sound like Simon and Garfunkle

Wow Lars. I mean okay I can agree with this but come on dude your insulting your own band by saying that. Even though this is true I wouldn't be saying that about a band that I'm in but whatever.


hes in the hall of fame. he can say what he wants.
     
SanJose wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:10 pm / quote |
I would rather die than listening to this riff repeated over and over again:

x ∞
| --2- ||* -2--7-----2- *||
| --0- ||* -0---6-5--0- *||
     
stompbox wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:12 pm / quote |
i think the cd player is broken play track 2 we know this song now lolololol
     
deflep86 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:12 pm / quote |
darkl64 wrote:

Why did they choose Metallica's most mainstream song?
My DAD likes Sandman.
They could've picked Battery or anything off Kill 'Em All and it would've got the job done in half the time.
Of course, if they had any sense it would've been something more like Gorgoroth or Slayer.


It doesnt have much to do with the popularity of the songs. Its the fact that there is loud music blasting over and over again making it hard to think. You have to remember that they also couple this with horrible living conditions as stated in the article. I think most people would agree that after hearing Enter Sandman for a just 1 day straight it would start to piss you off.
     
will-loves-zep wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:15 pm / quote |
would anyone on here actually mind being locked in a cell listening to metallica, queen and rage?
     
guitaringnathan wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:21 pm / quote |
how are some people shocked by , i dont condone it at all but its been going on for years and mostly in secret. This is just one of the few cases where this one saw the light. and morello, shut up, just play your guitar, you're not as political as you think you are
     
m0o wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:23 pm / quote |
Bassist Steve Benton of Drowning Pool was honored to hear that the band’s song ""” was being used on prisoners. "People assume we should be offended that somebody in the military thinks our song is annoying enough that played over and over it can psychologically break someone down," he tells Spin magazine. "I take it as an honor to think that perhaps our song could be used to quell another 9/11 attack or something like that."


**** Steve Benton.. stupid prick.

glad to see musicians like Tom Morello and Lars Ulrich who actually have some sense of humanity. Totally agree with Morello for his statement about Bush
     
dawoodman619 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:25 pm / quote |
whatever... if they really wanted to torture somebody w/ music, they should tie them into a chair w/ a bag on their heads, put headphones on full blast w/ nothing but dragonforce playing... that's torture
     
Grungy2425 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:30 pm / quote |
That bassist from drowning pool is a ****ing moron...lmao
     
no lolage wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:31 pm / quote |
Very very ironic that they use march of the pigs.....
     
rich420 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:31 pm / quote |

Metallica's Lars Ulrich Discusses Music Being Used As Torture


I thought this article was going to be about St.Anger
     
23dannybhoy23 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:37 pm / quote |
Only Americans.
     
philwhite wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:38 pm / quote |
No one cares that these people want to kill you? They are locked up for a reason. Protecting your country is patriotic. Pandering to terrorists is not. Get a clue.
     
rogerneeb wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:39 pm / quote |
listen up pussies, listening to loud music is not torture, grow a pair for gods sake...
     
AlienMetalhead wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:43 pm / quote |
They don't just play it loudly, the torture invovles powerful strobe lights and putting the person in a body position intended to hurt and frustrate you. They could play anything really loud, Metallica or otherwise, your still gonna break.(Pretty Sick US military, be ashamed)

I never get how you can take a confession from a person exposed to torture. You're gonna say you're a fighter just to get away from it.
     
rancidryan wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:44 pm / quote |
DIMMU BORGIR

that would be much much worse
     
Avengethedeath wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:45 pm / quote |
No, they only use St. Anger.
     
howrylak1 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:45 pm / quote |
They should play country music. To me that is torture. Toby Kieth and Alan Jackson profited anyway by making music about 9/11. Im sure they would love their music to be used to torture muslims
     
Xanadu_ROCK wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:48 pm / quote |
Who cares? it's not like people are gonna STOP listening to those bands just because they use them for torture....
     
andrewAnimosity wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:49 pm / quote |
avengethedeth is right they should use the St.anger to torture those muslim bastards
     
sword shredder wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:49 pm / quote |
RUSTDOGG666 wrote:

I can name, you know, 30 Norwegian death metal bands that would make Metallica sound like Simon and Garfunkle

Wow Lars. I mean okay I can agree with this but come on dude your insulting your own band by saying that. Even though this is true I wouldn't be saying that about a band that I'm in but whatever.


He means by how more heavy and dissonant they are, not necessarily a good thing..
     
mhb wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:52 pm / quote |
they should just play my chemical romance or hanson instead if they really wanna torture somebody. just imagine mmmbop for 120 days non-stop blarin' at full volume. tell me that wouldn't drive somebody insane. of course they could just use real torture methods like nailin' their dick to a tree stump soaked in kerosene, lightin' the tree stump on fire and handin' 'em a knife. either way you're gonna be ****ed for eternity.
     
andrewAnimosity wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:52 pm / quote |
Avengethedeath wrote:

andrewAnimosity wrote:

avengethedeth is right they should use the St.anger to torture those muslim bastards

I think thats inhumane... why don't we just shoot them, and while thay are still alive catch them on fire and here them scream for their lives like "ALALALALLALALALLALALAL"


yeah or just get all of our men out of there and nuke their little desert thing they call a country...or we can make obama thier president
     
[Erebus] wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:54 pm / quote |
This is why more and more people hate America.
Also, why not play something else? You really think that Queen blasting at full volume is going to drive someone crazy? Ever been to a rock concert? Jesus
THey oughtta play some grindcore or something, that'll get the job done in atleast 1/3 of the time
     
pwrmax wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:56 pm / quote |
bfchead wrote:

Enter Sandman is a great song, i saw wanna be a terrorist now, just so i can listen to my favorite music on full volume +1 for the U.S.A


Umm, then do it. duct tape headphones to your head so they don't come off, put the song on repeat, full volume, and tie your hands behind your back so you can't be tempted to turn it off.
     
powerstroke wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:58 pm / quote |
philwhite wrote:

No one cares that these people want to kill you? They are locked up for a reason. Protecting your country is patriotic. Pandering to terrorists is not. Get a clue.


rogerneeb wrote:

listen up pussies, listening to loud music is not torture, grow a pair for gods sake...


You two are total *******s if you think it's ever ok to torture anyone. Regardless of what the person would do to us, stripping them of their human rights and intentionally causing misery is never acceptable. Don't ****ing retort by saying they'd do the same because how the **** can we call ourselves the light of democracy (which is bullshit) if we can't even act like the more civilized person. Morello= always right politically and for one I actually agree with Lars. Torture isn't acceptable and you right wing *******s who promote honestly dont deserve to live.
     
powerstroke wrote on 04/30/2009 - 01:59 pm / quote |
sorry more civlized people, excuse my grammar
     
Gormanilius wrote on 04/30/2009 - 02:01 pm / quote |
SmackThis707 wrote:

if they really wanted to torture someone, they should play brokencyde. that will make anyone go insane.


Can I pleaz marry you?
     
RobMcKeown wrote on 04/30/2009 - 02:02 pm / quote |
edbert wrote:

soon they'll be mad that we're using guns against them...


people have mad about that for a lot lot longer...
     
FireBirdKing wrote on 04/30/2009 - 02:05 pm / quote |
i still fail to see how this is torture. Yeah their culture hates it but...i mean wouldnt torture be the same whereever you go? like waterboarding or the fingernail treatment. all those have PAIN in common. this is just a culture shock. this is stupid.
     
ChucklesMginty wrote on 04/30/2009 - 02:16 pm / quote |
I think rap music is a far worse torture, I mean rap is naturally repetitious with on going beats underneath. Still this is insane, if that weren't enough they're continuing even after someone was wrongly incarcerated?
     
Lund27J wrote on 04/30/2009 - 02:19 pm / quote |
powerstroke wrote:

You two are total *****s if you think it's ever ok to torture anyone. Regardless of what the person would do to us, stripping them of their human rights and intentionally causing misery is never acceptable. Don't ****ing retort by saying they'd do the same because how the **** can we call ourselves the light of democracy (which is bullshit) if we can't even act like the more civilized person. Morello= always right politically and for one I actually agree with Lars. Torture isn't acceptable and you right wing *****s who promote honestly dont deserve to live.


lame. get over it.
     
KeeganM wrote on 04/30/2009 - 02:22 pm / quote |
Metal as torture? Heck yeah!
     
Fritz621 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 02:31 pm / quote |
JONAS BROTHERS!!!!
     
philwhite wrote on 04/30/2009 - 02:33 pm / quote |
powerstroke, you disagree with our views so you think we should die. So killing is fine but playing a little metal on reapeat is bad. I'll hit the repeat button just for you. These people want to kill us.
     
FireBirdKing wrote on 04/30/2009 - 02:36 pm / quote |
philwhite wrote:

powerstroke, you disagree with our views so you think we should die. So killing is fine but playing a little metal on reapeat is bad. I'll hit the repeat button just for you. These people want to kill us.


YES!!! + infinity!! Why be passive to people who kill us and/or want to kill us? If a kid in school punches you in the face what do you do...you punch him back. this is the same thing...except we are using the immortal power of rock to do the punching.
     
powerstroke wrote on 04/30/2009 - 02:38 pm / quote |
philwhite wrote:

powerstroke, you disagree with our views so you think we should die. So killing is fine but playing a little metal on reapeat is bad. I'll hit the repeat button just for you. These people want to kill us.


No it's the fact that you apparently have absolutely no value on human life. And to be quite honest, with how much the United States has ****ed the middle east and toyed with the world's affairs, controlling dictators and death squads in latin america and helping arm rebellions so we can have leaders that trade favorably even though they kill hundreds to thousands of innocents, I would hate the United states as well. You're just a little prick who thinks it's justifiable to bully around the world. And no, I don't actually think right wingers should die but I hope they cease to exist as a group soon.

Most of the people that want to kill us now anyways are because we killed tens of thousands of innocent people in the "War on Terror" who are probably pissed cause we killed their families. They aren't justified in what they are doing but neither is torture. Fuck off.
     
powerstroke wrote on 04/30/2009 - 02:40 pm / quote |
FireBirdKing wrote:

philwhite wrote:

powerstroke, you disagree with our views so you think we should die. So killing is fine but playing a little metal on reapeat is bad. I'll hit the repeat button just for you. These people want to kill us.

YES!!! + infinity!! Why be passive to people who kill us and/or want to kill us? If a kid in school punches you in the face what do you do...you punch him back. this is the same thing...except we are using the immortal power of rock to do the punching.


No you be the bigger man and walk away and use diplomacy to solve the problem. Stop being the over-masculine person who believes that violence solves problems.
     
EldonsName24 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 02:41 pm / quote |
that is hilarious! haha
     
FireBirdKing wrote on 04/30/2009 - 02:44 pm / quote |
powerstroke wrote:

philwhite wrote:

powerstroke, you disagree with our views so you think we should die. So killing is fine but playing a little metal on reapeat is bad. I'll hit the repeat button just for you. These people want to kill us.

No it's the fact that you apparently have absolutely no value on human life. And to be quite honest, with how much the United States has ****ed the middle east and toyed with the world's affairs, controlling dictators and death squads in latin america and helping arm rebellions so we can have leaders that trade favorably even though they kill hundreds to thousands of innocents, I would hate the United states as well. You're just a little prick who thinks it's justifiable to bully around the world. And no, I don't actually think right wingers should die but I hope they cease to exist as a group soon.

Most of the people that want to kill us now anyways are because we killed tens of thousands of innocent people in the "War on Terror" who are probably pissed cause we killed their families. They aren't justified in what they are doing but neither is torture. Fuck off.


Typical liberal. Lets just sit here and let them do stuff to us instead of actually fighting back. thats why they call it WAR its supposed to be BAD theres supposed to be DEATH why the hell do we have an ARMY if we should never USE it? You do something wrong, you pay for it. there are consequences for the things we do. this is hardly torture anyway. What they did to us was WAY worse than Heavy Metal Torture (I copyright that..jk) Say a guy killed your family. He is on death row. do you say give him another chance? no you'd be the first in line to watch him die. cutting an innocent man's head of on an internet video and then being tortured with the raw power of Metallica and the others is hardly so.
     
philwhite wrote on 04/30/2009 - 02:45 pm / quote |
My point was made. I'm going to go have a bacon sandwich now and hang out with Jesus.
     
FireBirdKing wrote on 04/30/2009 - 02:45 pm / quote |
powerstroke wrote:

FireBirdKing wrote:

philwhite wrote:

powerstroke, you disagree with our views so you think we should die. So killing is fine but playing a little metal on reapeat is bad. I'll hit the repeat button just for you. These people want to kill us.

YES!!! + infinity!! Why be passive to people who kill us and/or want to kill us? If a kid in school punches you in the face what do you do...you punch him back. this is the same thing...except we are using the immortal power of rock to do the punching.

No you be the bigger man and walk away and use diplomacy to solve the problem. Stop being the over-masculine person who believes that violence solves problems.


Hippie
     
blackborrego wrote on 04/30/2009 - 02:45 pm / quote |
hahahahaha ! I love all the *insert black metal band here* would do the job in half the time
     
FireBirdKing wrote on 04/30/2009 - 02:46 pm / quote |
philwhite wrote:

My point was made. I'm going to go have a bacon sandwich now and hang out with Jesus.


Got anymore bacon?
     
FireBirdKing wrote on 04/30/2009 - 02:48 pm / quote |
[quote]FireBirdKing wrote:

powerstroke wrote:

FireBirdKing wrote:

philwhite wrote:

powerstroke, you disagree with our views so you think we should die. So killing is fine but playing a little metal on reapeat is bad. I'll hit the repeat button just for you. These people want to kill us.

YES!!! + infinity!! Why be passive to people who kill us and/or want to kill us? If a kid in school punches you in the face what do you do...you punch him back. this is the same thing...except we are using the immortal power of rock to do the punching.

No you be the bigger man and walk away and use diplomacy to solve the problem. Stop being the over-masculine person who believes that violence solves problems.[\quote]

Hey guess what happens when diplomacy fails. WAR. Obama sends a love note to the terrorists. guess what they send it back and say act on your words hypocrite.
diplomacy has failed for the longest time.

     
G0dzilla wrote on 04/30/2009 - 02:56 pm / quote |
SmackThis707 wrote:

if they really wanted to torture someone, they should play brokencyde. that will make anyone go insane.


+1000.
     
powerstroke wrote on 04/30/2009 - 03:01 pm / quote |
FireBirdKing wrote:

Typical liberal. Lets just sit here and let them do stuff to us instead of actually fighting back. thats why they call it WAR its supposed to be BAD theres supposed to be DEATH why the hell do we have an ARMY if we should never USE it? You do something wrong, you pay for it. there are consequences for the things we do. this is hardly torture anyway. What they did to us was WAY worse than Heavy Metal Torture (I copyright that..jk) Say a guy killed your family. He is on death row. do you say give him another chance? no you'd be the first in line to watch him die. cutting an innocent man's head of on an internet video and then being tortured with the raw power of Metallica and the others is hardly so.


Wow words like typical liberal and hippie really offend me. I know I'm such an ass for being compassionate.

Armies are made for defense and frankly I'd rather them not exist but I understand why they are necessary. Also, if you think wars will make them like us more than you are sadly mistaken.

If someone killed my whole family, I wouldn't want to watch them die as again that is destroying human dignity which is never ok. I'd rather just have them sit in prison for the rest of their life which is a far worse punishment then getting to die (after 20 years in prison you'd want to die too). It's not the listening to music that is torture it's everything that they do in combination with it. If my music was used to torture people, I would definitely be in court in a heartbeat.

Just have fun hating minorities and pretending like the GOP will exist in ten years. I'm done arguing with you as you are quite frankly retarded.
     
lynx636 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 03:01 pm / quote |
if they really wanted to torture someone, they should play brokencyde. that will make anyone go insane.


i couldnt agree more
     
 element4433   m   wrote on 04/30/2009 - 03:19 pm / quote |
Checked.

Chill out on the morality of torture debates d00dz
     
andyscoot wrote on 04/30/2009 - 03:21 pm / quote |
anyone else really want to be tortured by the US army if thats their method?
     
Icarus Lives wrote on 04/30/2009 - 03:22 pm / quote |
HeavyMetalHokie wrote:

they should play jonas brothers. id cut off my arm just to get them to shut it off.

and good for the guy from drowning pool. it proves you can be a patriot and a musician


Why was there a need for proof that anyone could be a patriot and a musician? Of course there are people who are both!
     
thephilguy wrote on 04/30/2009 - 03:23 pm / quote |
powerstroke wrote:
Wow words like typical liberal and hippie really offend me. I know I'm such an ass for being compassionate.

Armies are made for defense and frankly I'd rather them not exist but I understand why they are necessary. Also, if you think wars will make them like us more than you are sadly mistaken.

If someone killed my whole family, I wouldn't want to watch them die as again that is destroying human dignity which is never ok. I'd rather just have them sit in prison for the rest of their life which is a far worse punishment then getting to die (after 20 years in prison you'd want to die too). It's not the listening to music that is torture it's everything that they do in combination with it. If my music was used to torture people, I would definitely be in court in a heartbeat.

Just have fun hating minorities and pretending like the GOP will exist in ten years. I'm done arguing with you as you are quite frankly retarded.

Amen.

Torture in itself is horrendous, but then taking art and trying to turn it into means to psychologically damage people is just absurd. It's a disgrace that they assume that all this "rock music" is the perfect way to get what they want. Figures...

PS: I find it pretty funny that Lars said Norwegian death metal bands over black metal.. Shows how much he knows his own metal (not really relevant, but I thought I'd throw that out there)!
     
Busproof wrote on 04/30/2009 - 03:24 pm / quote |
I wonder if the US Military paid for your music Lars...
     
ingames wrote on 04/30/2009 - 03:30 pm / quote |
Cannibal Corpse...
     
jammyninja wrote on 04/30/2009 - 03:30 pm / quote |
HeavyMetalHokie wrote:

and good for the guy from drowning pool. it proves you can be a patriot and a musician


Torture isn't patriotic...

Drowning Pool always struck me as a red neck's band anyway....and their bassist certainly suggests that.
     
Dinopaterno22 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 03:31 pm / quote |
Fritz621 wrote:

JONAS BROTHERS!!!!


hell of a torture. I dare any of you! if you can withstand the power of the jonas brothers, than you have my (and almopst the whole world's) compliments.
may the force be with you dude who tries
     
DimebagRob wrote on 04/30/2009 - 03:41 pm / quote |
They should play them some Anal Cunt, and if that doesn't work, bring on the Jonas Brothers!
     
Technician wrote on 04/30/2009 - 03:41 pm / quote |
Yeah, this kind of degrades the work the artists have done for their music in my opinion. Although, i guess it is better than the other torture methods we had done. I don't know, isn't it still considered torture though? i'm so confused with this whole government, Guantanamo, torture thing... But really, torture music wise for me would be a songs from the jonas brothers, and stuff from screamo stuff. Both of those for me put the term "music" let alone "rock" to shame.
     
mooncow67 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 03:41 pm / quote |
a cold room with had rock playing constantly, that sounds more like heaven than anything I have ever heard

now if it was a hot room with say.. The Beegies playing, I would gladly kill myself in a somewhat extraordinary fashion
     
DaddyTwoFoot wrote on 04/30/2009 - 03:45 pm / quote |
Wasn't this news like three years ago?
     
\m/(-_-)\m/ wrote on 04/30/2009 - 03:46 pm / quote |
FallenSaint wrote:

Fuck man, put on anything by Stalaggh. At normal volume it already ****s ppl up.

I know for a fact they would love to hear their "music" being used in such a manner.

Or Meshuggah, polyrhythms from hell! Bleed on 24/7 (lol)


Meshuggah doesn't use polyrythms. They use artificial groupings. But, this is a pretty lame story.If I wanted to torture someone with music, Enter Sandman would be my LAST choice.
     
Cobalt Blue wrote on 04/30/2009 - 03:47 pm / quote |
"I suggest that they level Guantanamo Bay, but they keep one small cell and they put [former U.S. President George W. Bush] in there ... and they blast some Rage Against the Machine."

thats pretty much what Tom said when I saw him word for word.
     
jcool2003 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 03:52 pm / quote |
You all need to realize that what we do to people in Guantanamo is nothing compared to what most of the people in there would do to our soldiers if it were the other way around. At least we have some morals as far as not physically injuring them. Plus I'm all for anything that would affect a terrorist psychologically if it meant our country is safer. I applaud that bassist from Drowning Pool because he realizes what their music is doing helps. Without the enhanced interrogation techniques we used, there would still be many top terrorists out there plotting against the American way of life, and there would have been more attacks in the US.
     
Count-Gackula wrote on 04/30/2009 - 03:52 pm / quote |
it makes me so mad to read that some musicians and fans would agree to use music as a device of torture. Whats the purpose of it? i guess you wouldnt like experimenting the same thing with arabic music, right?
Music is losing its purpose which is expressing the unexpressable, making sense, understanding your reality and yourself better, identifying with someone elses word, etc.
That guy in drowning pool should give away his bass and do something else, what a shame really!
The same goes to deicide´s drummer steve asheim.
     
Rajah wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:04 pm / quote |
They should play St Anger, torture enough.
     
ThatWouldBeJon wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:06 pm / quote |
well on things deffinant austrian death machine is torture by the first 30 seconds on there songs. whos with me on the axis of Justice on this one?
     
Andy2k64 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:08 pm / quote |
yeah i think metallica is torture too...nah but seriously must piss them off knowing that their music is bein used as torture would p*ss me off if it was mine
     
OvationMax wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:08 pm / quote |
rogerneeb :
listen up pussies, listening to loud music is not torture, grow a pair for gods sake...

just picture yourself in a 9 feet per 9 feet cell with loud music blasting continusly. that = sleep deprivation wich is a goddam torture. just try to stay awake 4 days in a row, you would want to die.
     
maxxbuckeye54 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:10 pm / quote |
I'm impressed that so far, nobody said the word 'dave' or 'mustaine' in this blog. I was on the hunt for something along the lines of...'mustaine > gitmo' or something gay like that. But seriously, a Metallica post without dave mustaine being mentioned...that never happens!
     
1201ZJ wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:11 pm / quote |
Lars Just doesnt want to give away his music for free is all...
     
Cheeseman Jay wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:11 pm / quote |
You two are total *****s if you think it's ever ok to torture anyone. Regardless of what the person would do to us, stripping them of their human rights and intentionally causing misery is never acceptable. Don't ****ing retort by saying they'd do the same because how the **** can we call ourselves the light of democracy (which is bullshit) if we can't even act like the more civilized person. Morello= always right politically and for one I actually agree with Lars. Torture isn't acceptable and you right wing *****s who promote honestly dont deserve to live.

speak for yourself. i'm no christian (rather, i'm anti-religion) but i believe theres a term in the bible which goes 'an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth'. these people want to kill us. therefore they lose their human rights. end of. they don't desrerve to live, not us who see things clearly. good on America for seizing the intiative, even if it implies that rock is bad.
     
ThatWouldBeJon wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:13 pm / quote |
ps. i think the true legititment terrorists deserve everything they get but not all the people in these prisons are guilty and deserve to be there and especially be tortured
     
guitarskater11 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:17 pm / quote |
just blast hannah montana and jonas brothers in there
     
kenny t wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:20 pm / quote |
just shove meat down there throats and then they wont be going to there precious allah.
     
Cutlass_253 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:28 pm / quote |
OvationMax wrote:
sleep deprivation wich is a goddam torture. just try to stay awake 4 days in a row, you would want to die.


That would mean college finals = torture, and I don't see anybody sticking up for my rights!
     
metallifreak77 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:28 pm / quote |
I can understand that,

But if people blasted Metallica for me, I would have a great time!
     
Count-Gackula wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:31 pm / quote |
you people are just a waste of time, negotiation and dialogue always; and hear me clearly ALWAYS!!!! comes first. That eye for an eye bullshit is what makes people think like this.
I agree that you should get the people that made the 9/11 attacks but enough is enough you can never NEVER NEVER punish an entire nation for that.
     
Brave Moonlight wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:33 pm / quote |
o noes not teh metal-licka!

I think of 30 Norwegian Black Metal bands that could do better than Norwegian death metal bands.

Pft, Hell, unrelated to that kind of music, I would just do Cock And Ball Torture... the band..
     
rogerneeb wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:40 pm / quote |
you left-wing liberal pansies need to be realistic, you're basically saying that you'd be willing to let more americans die and not make these low-life terrorists uncomfortable, that is what it boils down to, if these terrorist thugs have information that will help save more lives, do WHATEVER necessary to get that info from them... seriously, who's side are you pansy liberals on?
     
Altitudinous wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:44 pm / quote |
zarreph wrote:

Come on man, seriously? Music is meant to be enjoyed, not used for torture. This is taking something that an artist put together because they love what they do, and bastardizing it. I am so incredibly against this...

(and that Drowning Pool bassist is an idiot)


Agreeing '09!!!
     
Quakelord1991 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:47 pm / quote |
zarreph wrote:

Come on man, seriously? Music is meant to be enjoyed, not used for torture. This is taking something that an artist put together because they love what they do, and bastardizing it. I am so incredibly against this...

(and that Drowning Pool bassist is an idiot)


I agree with what you said. Except for Stevie Benton of Drowning Pool being an idiot.
     
darth awsome wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:47 pm / quote |
They should play some DEP. I listen to it willingly and it nearly makes my head explode.
     
jpk6044 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:49 pm / quote |
I can decide who the bigger douche bag is - Lars Ulrich or Scott Stapp.
     
jack hate crew wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:50 pm / quote |
i thought guantanamo bay was supposed 2 b hell on earth? it sounds pretty sweet from wot i hear rofl
     
powerslave69 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:51 pm / quote |
lol drowning pool bassist for the lose
     
Fuzzbox91 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:52 pm / quote |
this is old news, kirk hammett is also very against the use of metallicas music being used for torture.
     
grayfox1001 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 04:57 pm / quote |
MightyAl wrote:

TBH, I think it's less the music itself, more the fact that it's constant, high-volume with no way you can go anywhere quieter.
You could probably get the same effect from pretty much anything, though a continuous loop of drum solos and bass solos would probably break people within a few hours.


Sound Grenade? that'll make someone go insane
     
Raizer Sabre wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:01 pm / quote |
please, this isn't torture, this is a f**king reward
     
gerbil_mastr wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:02 pm / quote |
powerstroke wrote:

FireBirdKing wrote:

Typical liberal. Lets just sit here and let them do stuff to us instead of actually fighting back. thats why they call it WAR its supposed to be BAD theres supposed to be DEATH why the hell do we have an ARMY if we should never USE it? You do something wrong, you pay for it. there are consequences for the things we do. this is hardly torture anyway. What they did to us was WAY worse than Heavy Metal Torture (I copyright that..jk) Say a guy killed your family. He is on death row. do you say give him another chance? no you'd be the first in line to watch him die. cutting an innocent man's head of on an internet video and then being tortured with the raw power of Metallica and the others is hardly so.

Wow words like typical liberal and hippie really offend me. I know I'm such an ass for being compassionate.

Armies are made for defense and frankly I'd rather them not exist but I understand why they are necessary. Also, if you think wars will make them like us more than you are sadly mistaken.

If someone killed my whole family, I wouldn't want to watch them die as again that is destroying human dignity which is never ok. I'd rather just have them sit in prison for the rest of their life which is a far worse punishment then getting to die (after 20 years in prison you'd want to die too). It's not the listening to music that is torture it's everything that they do in combination with it. If my music was used to torture people, I would definitely be in court in a heartbeat.

Just have fun hating minorities and pretending like the GOP will exist in ten years. I'm done arguing with you as you are quite frankly retarded.


This whole let them rot in prison thing kinda gets to me. i mean yeah you probably miss the outside once in a while, but soon enough it just becomes your life. you make friends, make enemies, work out...yeah life in prison is so much worse then death
     
PissInMyShoeses wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:03 pm / quote |
Honestly, Lars is probably only mad because he realizes that his band WILL get annoying as **** after a while...
     
gerbil_mastr wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:04 pm / quote |
oh and just to add i'm kinda for torture and against it at the same time, but if somone was using my music for it i guess it would kinda piss me off
     
metal overlord wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:06 pm / quote |
Well, for once, something the general public and Lars can both agree on.
     
uncleSam1 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:06 pm / quote |
It amazes me how sheltered American's are from the rest of the world. We have people who want nothing more then to kill as many American's as possible..they don't care if you have a liberal or conservative ideology. They want to kill you, your family, and your friends.

Yet we sit here and bicker about how we should interrogate these people to find out what they know. We're lamenting the fact that we might have to make these people a little uncomfortable in order to get information out of them because gosh darn it they aren't going to just offer it up to us.

Meanwhile, these animals have captured citizens (unarmed) and have BEHEADED them while they filmed it! They drag the bodies of dead US soldiers through the streets. Oh and not to mention the fact that they killed 3,000 innocent civilians on 9/11 and temporarily wrecked our economy.

I can understand musicians not wanting their music used by the government at all regardless of what it is. They should have used something non-descript like "It's a Small World". I rode that ride in Disney and that song stuck in my head forever.

One last comment, Tom Morrello is political fool. Maybe after the next terrorist attack, he can host our prisoners at his house. I don't know if he has children or not but maybe if he hosts these prisoners at his house he can make sure they are being treated humanely.
     
andrew12398 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:17 pm / quote |
Jail never sounded so good/
     
joshua029 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:22 pm / quote |
andrew12398 wrote:

Jail never sounded so good/


+1, if having Metallica's music blasted your direction is torture in jail then sign me up now!
     
Wesseem wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:22 pm / quote |
uncleSam1 wrote:

It amazes me how sheltered American's are from the rest of the world. We have people who want nothing more then to kill as many American's as possible..they don't care if you have a liberal or conservative ideology. They want to kill you, your family, and your friends.

Yet we sit here and bicker about how we should interrogate these people to find out what they know. We're lamenting the fact that we might have to make these people a little uncomfortable in order to get information out of them because gosh darn it they aren't going to just offer it up to us.

Meanwhile, these animals have captured citizens (unarmed) and have BEHEADED them while they filmed it! They drag the bodies of dead US soldiers through the streets. Oh and not to mention the fact that they killed 3,000 innocent civilians on 9/11 and temporarily wrecked our economy.

humanely.


K buddy, the U.S. has massacred an entire nation (iraq) because they knew they couldn't get bin laden so bush decided to take it out on a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 whatsoever. The only people who wrecked the WORLDS economy is your buddy bush. single handedly threw his country into a recession and brought the whole world with it.

the fact you call the iraqis 'animals' shows how sheltered YOU are. it is wrong for anyone to be killed but you think it's justified to torture those people cause they are 'animals' even though the U.S. attacked them first (and quite brutally i may add)
     
Raven_Flight wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:23 pm / quote |
something good came out from lars mouth!!

Anyway, that norwegian thing is wrong, they also torture the prisioners with the Barney theme song, wich i think it can be more painful than cannibal corpse for example (btw, Hammer smashed face is also on the list)
     
rrandumbb wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:24 pm / quote |
I don't know why they played "We Will Rock You." I don't know, maybe I'm just an ignorant American, but I thought catchy music is universal. I guess it could be efficient to some degree, but probably not as effective as some other songs, like "Life in a Nutshell," by Bare Naked Ladies.
     
DrBlowThingsUp wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:25 pm / quote |
if i had to listen to lars ulrichs shit drum sound for more than 5 minutes its likely that id lose all faith in sound of any kind too.
     
b_flo wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:27 pm / quote |
See...the Bush Admin had it all wrong! They should've used the 'Big 3' for interrogation....Celine Dion, Barbara Streisand, and Cher. Not only will it annoy the hell out of them, some might turn out gay (which goes against their ideology)!lol Shame on you....Dick & Bush!
     
maximumrocker wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:27 pm / quote |
i think that the songs should be Visions

its that song on rock band II that is a piece of hot steaming shit

yea i would go insane after i heard that 2 times
     
b_flo wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:28 pm / quote |
...
b_flo wrote:

See...the Bush Admin had it all wrong! They should've used the 'Big 3' for interrogation....Celine Dion, Barbara Streisand, and Cher. Not only will it annoy the hell out of them, some might turn out gay (which goes against their ideology)!lol Shame on you....Dick & Bush!


If they can turn back time!
     
rrandumbb wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:29 pm / quote |
No, not "Life, in a Nutshell," I was thinking something else. "Iron Gland" by Alice in Chains is more appropriate, you'd know why if you knew the story behind it.
     
BugrahanGedik wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:34 pm / quote |
Technical Death Metal
+
Jazz Metal
+
Technical Progressive Fusion
+
Noise/Grindcore

Good torture..

Im against it tho, i dont feel like typing all my thoughts about this subject, buttaah I am againt sound torture.
     
uncleSam1 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:34 pm / quote |
Wesseem,
I'm not sure where you get your "facts" from but you sound like you are coming straight out of a George Soros funded media outlet.

First, the US has not massacred the entire nation of Iraq. Part of the reason this damn thing took so long is that our soldiers had their hands tied by our governent...something that really was Bush's fault. Iraq is starting to flourish, their economy is taking off, and they are having elections.

Second, "Bush" did not wreck the worlds economy you dolt. The global and US economies are cyclical...they go up and down. What helped make this bad situation worse was the housing bubble caused by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the corrupt U.S. politicians who used it as a way to buy votes and get funding. The "toxic assets" from these 2 government run agencies got bundled up and sold globally and when they crashed they caused a global ripple.

Third, I did not call Iraqis "animals". I called the Islamic Fascists that lived among the Iraqis and moved in from Iran "animals". The US did not attack the Iraqis they attacked Saddam and his army.

Dude seriously, you need to educate yourself a bit and not just parrot what the mainstream media is dishing you.
     
Zapht wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:36 pm / quote |
i bet none of the prisoners could make it thru one jonas brothers album, i know i couldnt. why not usr that?
     
munkyboy99 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:40 pm / quote |
HeavyMetalHokie wrote:

they should play jonas brothers. id cut off my arm just to get them to shut it off.

and good for the guy from drowning pool. it proves you can be a patriot and a musician


Torture is not patriotic...
Also torture is ineffective in getting information,its been proven to give false information. Chaney lied about how well it worked, just like he lied about everything else.
     
niflag wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:41 pm / quote |
I'd sing along.
     
uncleSam1 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:44 pm / quote |
munkyboy99 wrote:
Torture is not patriotic...
Also torture is ineffective in getting information,its been proven to give false information. Chaney lied about how well it worked, just like he lied about everything else.


What's not patriotic is the Senate Majority Leader declaring the war is lost when we have troops on the ground.

What Cheney is trying to get released are CIA memos detailing specific events (one in L.A.) i believe that we were able to prevent by getting information from our advanced interrogation techniques such as slapping and sleep deprivation (ouch!). We are only getting one side of the story...surprise surprise.
     
munkyboy99 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:45 pm / quote |
uncleSam1 wrote:

Wesseem,
I'm not sure where you get your "facts" from but you sound like you are coming straight out of a George Soros funded media outlet.

First, the US has not massacred the entire nation of Iraq. Part of the reason this damn thing took so long is that our soldiers had their hands tied by our governent...something that really was Bush's fault. Iraq is starting to flourish, their economy is taking off, and they are having elections.

Second, "Bush" did not wreck the worlds economy you dolt. The global and US economies are cyclical...they go up and down. What helped make this bad situation worse was the housing bubble caused by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the corrupt U.S. politicians who used it as a way to buy votes and get funding. The "toxic assets" from these 2 government run agencies got bundled up and sold globally and when they crashed they caused a global ripple.

Third, I did not call Iraqis "animals". I called the Islamic Fascists that lived among the Iraqis and moved in from Iran "animals". The US did not attack the Iraqis they attacked Saddam and his army.

Dude seriously, you need to educate yourself a bit and not just parrot what the mainstream media is dishing you.

You need to educate yourself, Iraqis are killed at an average of 50 a day. and the grand total so far is over a million.
And the US DID attack Iraqis, for example Fallujah! was massacred! The people of Fallujah were well governed and didn't want the US in there so the US bombed the **** out of the entire city destroying Mosques and houses, everything!
get your facts from somewhere else besides FOX News plz
     
xcrunner1 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:46 pm / quote |
Effective way to break prisoners, i support this "torture" 100%
     
punkrocka93 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:49 pm / quote |
they could play jonas brothers over and over. thats a fate worse than death
     
BoxCarMothra wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:50 pm / quote |
All the people saying "this is patriotic" and that by being against it you are "pandering to terrorists" don't seem to realize that THEY ARE NOT ALL TERRORISTS. These people are suspected, meaning these could be innocent people being tortued. Music as torture is awful. Drowning pool is an awful band anyway, never knew there bassist was such an *******.
     
munkyboy99 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:51 pm / quote |
uncleSam1 wrote:

munkyboy99 wrote:
Torture is not patriotic...
Also torture is ineffective in getting information,its been proven to give false information. Chaney lied about how well it worked, just like he lied about everything else.

What's not patriotic is the Senate Majority Leader declaring the war is lost when we have troops on the ground.

What Cheney is trying to get released are CIA memos detailing specific events (one in L.A.) i believe that we were able to prevent by getting information from our advanced interrogation techniques such as slapping and sleep deprivation (ouch!). We are only getting one side of the story...surprise surprise.


hey dumbass you forgot a few techniques there like,
Waterboarding
Walling < - - -- ( slamming people into a wall )
Stess Positions
Sexual Humiliation
and there is more, i think its better to declare a loss then lose even more lives? look at Vietnam? Patriotism isn't blindly cheering for your country just b/c, buddy the ****ing Nazis did the exact same thing, so stfu and question your government! you're only giving one side of the story SURPRISE SURPRISE!
     
J Mud wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:51 pm / quote |
Did you hear the person on the video? man...
     
FireBirdKing wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:56 pm / quote |
powerstroke wrote:

FireBirdKing wrote:

Typical liberal. Lets just sit here and let them do stuff to us instead of actually fighting back. thats why they call it WAR its supposed to be BAD theres supposed to be DEATH why the hell do we have an ARMY if we should never USE it? You do something wrong, you pay for it. there are consequences for the things we do. this is hardly torture anyway. What they did to us was WAY worse than Heavy Metal Torture (I copyright that..jk) Say a guy killed your family. He is on death row. do you say give him another chance? no you'd be the first in line to watch him die. cutting an innocent man's head of on an internet video and then being tortured with the raw power of Metallica and the others is hardly so.

Wow words like typical liberal and hippie really offend me. I know I'm such an ass for being compassionate.

Armies are made for defense and frankly I'd rather them not exist but I understand why they are necessary. Also, if you think wars will make them like us more than you are sadly mistaken.

If someone killed my whole family, I wouldn't want to watch them die as again that is destroying human dignity which is never ok. I'd rather just have them sit in prison for the rest of their life which is a far worse punishment then getting to die (after 20 years in prison you'd want to die too). It's not the listening to music that is torture it's everything that they do in combination with it. If my music was used to torture people, I would definitely be in court in a heartbeat.

Just have fun hating minorities and pretending like the GOP will exist in ten years. I'm done arguing with you as you are quite frankly retarded.


The GOP will certainly exist in 10 years .If you want to get in a political debate fine you have one. Lets stop talking about the mistakes bush and his administration made and lets look at what obama and his has done. Or are you the pilot of the bandwagon that you have no clue whats really going on? Obama in three months has made us deeper into the shit that we already were in. He's given up our sovereignty as a nation (look up G20), hes put us deeper into debt, whether you like it or not the war in the middle east will not end with him. The democrats **** everything up that they get their hands on even more so than the GOP. The terrorists were afraid of us when bush was president. They knew bush was a fricken cowboy and he would blow them to hell if they did anything like 9/11 again. Obama is making us look like a joke, a country of wusses, a weak nation, everything opposite of what we have been. Ok, so bush wasn't so great with economics, I would much rather be alive in a bit of a depression than be blown up by terrorists. You have to understand that the GOP isnt the only party that lies. They have to lie. they are trained for that to try and keep things from us. That has never changed and never will. Pelosi is, how you would put it "obviously retarded" because she has lied about everything. Bush isnt in office anymore, Obamas presidential honeymoon is over, everything he does and that happens to us is now his fault or the parties fault. You cant blame bush for anything now because hes done nothing since obama has been elected. Im sick of hearing shit about that. GOP = bush administration to clear up the bush talk. but to be completely honest, me calling you those names wasnt supposed to be insulting because you are being a hippie and you are obviously a flaming liberal. I would bomb whatever country does harm to anything I love. including america. I dont care about terrorists or condone anything they've done. Our whole gov't has gone to shit basically and nothing you can complain about will make it better. besides, people like you voted in this idiot. so live with it like we all do, because you must be quite frankly retarded.
     
uncleSam1 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 05:57 pm / quote |
Munkyboy99,
You are a fool. If there were 50 Iraqis being killed everyday as a result of our troops or terrorists it would be in our news because they like to trumpet how bad Iraq is every chance they get. There are cities in the US that have a murder rate higher then the deaths that are occurring in Iraq.

This is and was a war. There are going to be civilian causalities. There would have been less civilian casualties had fighting rebels not dressed as civilians and hide in public places like mosques, hospitals, etc... We did not target civilians, seriously, do you really hate this country that much that you buy all the non-sense you read?

Our casualties were higher because of long list of engagement rules that our government put on our military.

The grand total of Iraq civilian deaths has be politicized and grossly exaggerated as were the deaths of American soldiers.

Where would you like me to get my facts from? Maybe MSNBC? CNN? NBC? ABC? Because we all know they're not biased at all right?!? Again, you are a fool.
     
Dio10101 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:00 pm / quote |
I would be cool, up until they started playing we will rock you over and over again.
     
therudycometh wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:04 pm / quote |
rich420 wrote:

Metallica's Lars Ulrich Discusses Music Being Used As Torture

I thought this article was going to be about St.Anger


+1. I lol'ed.
     
uncleSam1 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:06 pm / quote |
munkyboy99 wrote:
hey dumbass you forgot a few techniques there like,
Waterboarding
Walling < - - -- ( slamming people into a wall )
Stess Positions
Sexual Humiliation
and there is more, i think its better to declare a loss then lose even more lives? look at Vietnam? Patriotism isn't blindly cheering for your country just b/c, buddy the ****ing Nazis did the exact same thing, so stfu and question your government! you're only giving one side of the story SURPRISE SURPRISE!


I believe what you are doing is called "flaming" by our moderators...you'll get an email about it.

Fine, waterboarding, walling, etc...my point was that our enemy has no moral grounding in their techniques meanwhile we are "scaring" terrorists and making them "uncomfortable" to save American lives. We are not chopping their damn heads off.

Reid wasn't declaring a loss because we were loosing you dimwit...he was declaring that we lost because it helped him politically. The surge was hugely successful...why do you think the media stopped covering it?

Its funny you should mention about questioning your government. Take a good hard look at who is trying to silence criticism of our government these days.
     
ProgMetalDT wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:09 pm / quote |
Look you guys, this is a serious subject. You shouldn't be saying you want this kind of torture. It isn't what it sounds like.

First, the music would be so loud it makes your head hurt, and they won't turn it down.
Second, it's the same song over and over again, so it would get really annoying.
Third, torture is a horrible thing and should never be done.

If you want really loud music, buy a stereo or go to a concert.
     
stealer42 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:14 pm / quote |
Ok everyone on here saying they are against torture.. What if a bomb was in your hometown with your whole family and you had a terrorist with the info of where it is. What are you going to do beg him on your hands and knees to tell u where it is?
     
SaiNt adEL #13 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:14 pm / quote |
Honest to god, I would stay in that cell until I DIED, head banging and jamming air guitar and occasionally screaming out my favorite lyrics. That wouldn't be torture, that would be PARADISE.
     
Silas S Thompso wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:14 pm / quote |
Hearing RATM would drive me insane too. Start playing there songs and I'd rat out the whole taliban al-queada and my grandma with the nuke hidden under her grandaughters crib. But I think that heavy metal shoudln't be used as torture. RATM probably works better than waterboarding though.
     
Wesseem wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:20 pm / quote |
[quote]uncleSam1 wrote: ...

quote]

the U.S. did not attack the iraqis? are you serious? they had no reason to attack saddam in the first place but they did and made sure to take out 700 000 iraqis. but i guess all 700 000 are saddam soldiers right?

the U.S. has also borrowed from the world bank considering their spending on the war is well into the trillions further throwing their country into debt and making their net losses outweigh their net gains (recession)

with all of this being the fault of the U.S. you still feel that torture is justified? no body should be fighting anybody but you felt the need to mention in your first post how people shouldn't condemn torture on those 'animals' for being 'animals' even though they have explicitly said to leave their country or else they will have to use force, and yea..here we are today with a presently occupied iraq.

also how is iraq flourishing? stop listening to bill o'reilly. every election numerous people die, people have nothing to eat, they have no industry. they used to have an oil industry till the U.S. managed to take that over.

so although they shouldn't be torturing americans they are no worse than the U.S. soldiers carrying out torture on prisoners.

i don't know where you get your 'facts' from unclesam but maybe you should learn to question your government and see that their goal isn't to 'free' iraq but to control them and flaunt their own military power
     
JESUSbaby wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:20 pm / quote |
lol to every comment saying they want this torture because they love Metallica. Listen to Enter Sandman 100 times and one day non-stop and you'll want to blow your own brains out, I guarantee it. I don't agree with Ulrich or Morello too much, but I can see why they don't want their "art" being used as a torture device, especially since Morello is against violence.
     
uncleSam1 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:22 pm / quote |
Munkyboy99, i just saw that you have "Michael Moore" Documentaries listed as your favorite movies. If i would have read that before i responded to you i could have saved myself some time.

Ignoring that fact that Michael More is a propagandist and an ambulance chaser, seriously his documentaries are your favorite movies? You don't like American Pie or Superbad? Michael Moore documentaries...Wow, you must be one fun dude to hang out with.
     
againsteternity wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:25 pm / quote |
That doesn't sound like torture to me but then again most people listen to rap
     
Brendan.Clace wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:27 pm / quote |
Now the really torturing and ironic thing to do, would be to blast some Hawthorne Heights....
     
g00fy_130 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:30 pm / quote |
I can honestly say that listening to bands such as Metallica while deployed, out on a mission in God knows where, helps get you through those tough times. Metal music keeps a lot of us troops on edge, and pumps us up.
     
uncleSam1 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:37 pm / quote |
Wessem, it would be funny if your ignorance wasn't so sad ...and common.

I'm going to ignore your 700,000 comment because I already covered this.

Do you seriously want to talk about borrowing money? I mean really? Do you realize that your boy BO, between the phony stimulus, omnibus bill, and his proposed budget, is going to manage to outspend every US President is history COMBINED! Do you understand the difference between billion and trillion? Do you realize that the only check and balance on Obama right now is the freaking Communist Chinese Gov't??? The only thing that is going to force BO to stop spending is if the Chinese decide they don't want to continue to buy up all our debt.

As for the Iraq oil comment, we haven't taken a damned drop of oil. If we had been taking their oil we wouldn't have been paying $4.00 at the pump last year smart guy.

As for questioning your government...who is trying to silence critics right now smart guy? i am questioning the sanity of my government right now because I'm watching them rape the private sector of this country. ...and because i am questioning it i am labeled a right-wing extremist by Obama's administration.
It is YOU who should question what you read in our media who have become activists rather then journalists .
     
Lionheart2390 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:39 pm / quote |
I would probably kill myself after listening to half of a Megadeth CD.
     
maj.pain wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:40 pm / quote |
this is the best thing that i have read in a while. I love the fact that rock music is used to tourture thoses dirty mofo's....keep the rock blastin boys.
     
BLUEkerl wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:41 pm / quote |
FireBirdKing wrote:

I'm really glad to see Ulrich and Morello agreeing on something...Lars isn't a complete idiot even though he acts like it a lot I still love the man.

Wesseem wrote:

[quote]uncleSam1 wrote: ...

quote]

the U.S. did not attack the iraqis? are you serious? they had no reason to attack saddam in the first place but they did and made sure to take out 700 000 iraqis. but i guess all 700 000 are saddam soldiers right?

the U.S. has also borrowed from the world bank considering their spending on the war is well into the trillions further throwing their country into debt and making their net losses outweigh their net gains (recession)

with all of this being the fault of the U.S. you still feel that torture is justified? no body should be fighting anybody but you felt the need to mention in your first post how people shouldn't condemn torture on those 'animals' for being 'animals' even though they have explicitly said to leave their country or else they will have to use force, and yea..here we are today with a presently occupied iraq.

also how is iraq flourishing? stop listening to bill o'reilly. every election numerous people die, people have nothing to eat, they have no industry. they used to have an oil industry till the U.S. managed to take that over.

so although they shouldn't be torturing americans they are no worse than the U.S. soldiers carrying out torture on prisoners.

i don't know where you get your 'facts' from unclesam but maybe you should learn to question your government and see that their goal isn't to 'free' iraq but to control them and flaunt their own military power

Dang thats some heavy stuff...
     
BLUEkerl wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:44 pm / quote |
Lionheart2390 wrote:

I would probably kill myself after listening to half of a Megadeth CD.

you are stupid. Megadeth is da bomb. and then metallicas a nuclear warhead.
     
sbinlb wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:45 pm / quote |
i honestly thought they would use the newer metallica
     
Krimson_Magnus wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:47 pm / quote |
As soon as I saw the title of this article I thought "Let me guess, Lars is suing more people?" I bet he was thinking about that. He costed Metallica A LOT of fans. I don't see Rage Against the Machine as musical torture, but I CAN see how they'd use Metallica though. I can't listen to that band for too long or else I'll go insane. I DO agree with Lars that they could use those crappy death metal bands. Seriously, they don't even have lyrics... they just make animal noises.
     
powerstroke wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:49 pm / quote |
FireBirdKing wrote:

The GOP will certainly exist in 10 years .If you want to get in a political debate fine you have one. Lets stop talking about the mistakes bush and his administration made and lets look at what obama and his has done. Or are you the pilot of the bandwagon that you have no clue whats really going on? Obama in three months has made us deeper into the shit that we already were in. He's given up our sovereignty as a nation (look up G20), hes put us deeper into debt, whether you like it or not the war in the middle east will not end with him. The democrats **** everything up that they get their hands on even more so than the GOP. The terrorists were afraid of us when bush was president. They knew bush was a fricken cowboy and he would blow them to hell if they did anything like 9/11 again. Obama is making us look like a joke, a country of wusses, a weak nation, everything opposite of what we have been. Ok, so bush wasn't so great with economics, I would much rather be alive in a bit of a depression than be blown up by terrorists. You have to understand that the GOP isnt the only party that lies. They have to lie. they are trained for that to try and keep things from us. That has never changed and never will. Pelosi is, how you would put it "obviously retarded" because she has lied about everything. Bush isnt in office anymore, Obamas presidential honeymoon is over, everything he does and that happens to us is now his fault or the parties fault. You cant blame bush for anything now because hes done nothing since obama has been elected. Im sick of hearing shit about that. GOP = bush administration to clear up the bush talk. but to be completely honest, me calling you those names wasnt supposed to be insulting because you are being a hippie and you are obviously a flaming liberal. I would bomb whatever country does harm to anything I love. including america. I dont care about terrorists or condone anything they've done. Our whole gov't has gone to shit basically and nothing you can complain about will make it better. besides, people like you voted in this idiot. so live with it like we all do, because you must be quite frankly retarded.


I feel like our government is much stronger. Socially, we've progressed so much since the start of the Obama administration. Gay rights are beginning to finally get recognized. Guantanomo is finally being shut down. Health care is starting to become affordable to the poor and hopefully if taxes can get raised on the rich, income inequality will begin to be reduced. Prior to Reagan, the desparity was not that much. In 1980, before Reagan took over, the top .01% made collectively 177 times the "bottom" 90% collectively whereas in 2006 (post-Republican cluster**** of the last 20 some years) the top .01% made 967 times the bottom 90%. All of this quoted from college economics books (BIATCH!) Republicans have run this country to shit and created such a horrible mess of the economy. Deregulation policies of the 80's have only risen to rising corporate corruption as well as leading to the rise of Rush Limbaugh and all the other fear and hate mongerers.

Honestly, I didn't hate bush. I hated cheney, bush was a retarded puppet and didn't know what he was doing. If you haven't noticed, the Republican party has shifted dramatically to the right in recent years, becoming essentially extremists and pushing away moderates (what the respectable Republican party used to be and the ideals i used to believe in). Instead of becoming more rational, republicans get crazier and more to the right every year, and it's pushing away americans. The republican party is in a death spiral now and until they are willing to start being rational (addresing the issues of racial inequality, income inequailty, gay rights, help for the poor) they are just gonna become a social club for the rich and those retarded enough to go along with it. I used to be republican, but not the ****ing crazy ass version that exists now (granted I'm about as left as you go now, but you guys have lost it.
     
Raven_Flight wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:50 pm / quote |
Most of you people are forgetting the fact that nobody can stand listening ALL DAY LONG the same song over and over again at highest volume and being all day sitting down with no other option but to listen to it.
If you don't believe me, try it.
     
Wesseem wrote on 04/30/2009 - 06:53 pm / quote |
Unclesam:
maybe you should read your post again. you said iraqi rebels dress in civilian clothes. lol i didn't know rebels wore costumes? civilians are the one's defending their country and they are not fighting from mosques, they are there praying. how on earth could you know that they are 'dressing up as civilians and hiding.' if they are hiding then why are they being killed? think about who the agressor is in this case. the person hiding or the person hunting? your entire post completely contradicts your argument.

I questioned the medias view on whether iraq deserved to be attacked. lo-and behold there are no WMD. the original mission was to find the ppl who caused 9/11, it changed to finding WMD then to killing saddam now it's to 'free' iraq.

The entire mission is a fraud and when you think about it yourself you will realize that none of the missions set out by the U.S were accomplished except for killing saddam.

you also just insulted a guy for enjoying michael moore films. he can watch and believe what ever he wants and all media is biased but i took the liberty of hearing all sides and made a decision for myself that the side defending the war had no real arguments. in the end they would all argue the same thing 'stop the terrorists and free iraq.' lol but what terrorists? the one's causing 9/11? but they're not iraq!

Saddam made it clear he hated al-qaeda even. but clearly your ignorance and arrogance will never let you really question anything because you will only hear one side of an argument.

bottom line. torturing is wrong and never justified.
     
TheChaz wrote on 04/30/2009 - 07:04 pm / quote |
AlienMetalhead wrote:

They don't just play it loudly, the torture invovles powerful strobe lights and putting the person in a body position intended to hurt and frustrate you. They could play anything really loud, Metallica or otherwise, your still gonna break.(Pretty Sick US military, be ashamed)

I never get how you can take a confession from a person exposed to torture. You're gonna say you're a fighter just to get away from it.

That doesn't sound too bad to me...
     
ihavenoname93 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 07:06 pm / quote |
Not all musicians appear to be against it, however. Bassist Steve Benton of Drowning Pool was honored to hear that the band’s song ""” was being used on prisoners. "People assume we should be offended that somebody in the military thinks our song is annoying enough that played over and over it can psychologically break someone down," he tells Spin magazine. "I take it as an honor to think that perhaps our song could be used to quell another 9/11 attack or something like that."


what a complete idiot

"If there are people that are dumb enough to use Metallica to interrogate prisoners, you're forgetting about all the music that's to the left of us. I can name, you know, 30 Norwegian death metal bands that would make Metallica sound like Simon and Garfunkle."


and a decent statement from lars for once
     
theotherguy7145 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 07:08 pm / quote |
I hate this idea. Makes me so mad! I think they might be purposefully having a bash at heavy music there.
Wouldn't techno sh*t or Dance or house music be more relevant for driving someone insane with repetativeness?
     
visiofx wrote on 04/30/2009 - 07:10 pm / quote |
any nursery rhyme song played nonstop is brutal torture
     
awesomeness wrote on 04/30/2009 - 07:20 pm / quote |
I totally agree with Ulrich and Morello here. Using music as a torture (or anything, for that matter) is ridiculous, no matter what kind of music it is.
     
daniel c b wrote on 04/30/2009 - 07:27 pm / quote |
why dont they use some shitty pop music
     
Henkdemachtige wrote on 04/30/2009 - 07:32 pm / quote |
JESUSbaby wrote:

lol to every comment saying they want this torture because they love Metallica. Listen to Enter Sandman 100 times and one day non-stop and you'll want to blow your own brains out, I guarantee it. I don't agree with Ulrich or Morello too much, but I can see why they don't want their "art" being used as a torture device, especially since Morello is against violence.


I listened

147 times, Spaceman- The Killers
122 times, Bridge and Tunnel Atuhority - Less Than Jake

Both on the same day in 1 go.

Do i ****ing rock now?
     
maiden666pwns wrote on 04/30/2009 - 07:34 pm / quote |
**** bush
music is for enjoying not ****ing torture

...well i would probably just start headbanging to piss them off
     
theheirapparent wrote on 04/30/2009 - 07:38 pm / quote |
matisyahu. I love the guy as a musician. but Hasidic JewRap meets imprisoned muslim
     
IAmTheArsonist wrote on 04/30/2009 - 07:47 pm / quote |
Wtf! I hate our government theyre all ignorant bastards... Metallica shouldnt let them use their music and yes, we should lock our officials in there and make them listen to some Rage Against The Machine! Those ****ers dont see the true meaning of metal; its something to be enjoyed, some thing different that sticks out. Not like that bull crap we hear in the radio today. Its not to be used as torture. If they want to use music as torture, play some lil wayne or bullshit like that! That music is meaningless and has lots of offensive, unmoral material. Metal is one of the very few forms of pure, true music
     
Tordyboi wrote on 04/30/2009 - 07:56 pm / quote |
powerstroke wrote:

philwhite wrote:

powerstroke, you disagree with our views so you think we should die. So killing is fine but playing a little metal on reapeat is bad. I'll hit the repeat button just for you. These people want to kill us.

No it's the fact that you apparently have absolutely no value on human life. And to be quite honest, with how much the United States has ****ed the middle east and toyed with the world's affairs, controlling dictators and death squads in latin america and helping arm rebellions so we can have leaders that trade favorably even though they kill hundreds to thousands of innocents, I would hate the United states as well. You're just a little prick who thinks it's justifiable to bully around the world. And no, I don't actually think right wingers should die but I hope they cease to exist as a group soon.

Most of the people that want to kill us now anyways are because we killed tens of thousands of innocent people in the "War on Terror" who are probably pissed cause we killed their families. They aren't justified in what they are doing but neither is torture. Fuck off.


I agree... finaly someone around with some brains
     
Syncope wrote on 04/30/2009 - 07:57 pm / quote |
Guitarist Tom Morello of Rage Against The Machine..

Typical that he would voice an opinion about something like this, after all, he is co-founder of the Axis of Justice. And let's face it, it's a bit silly to play Metallica at high volumes for torture - something more hardcore, deathy, and so on would make more sense to play at loud volumes. Not that I endorse torture. Nevermind, Metallica is a way to torture someone, but not as cruel as other methods.
     
AlskiOverload wrote on 04/30/2009 - 07:58 pm / quote |
At one point in a vacation I had, a Matchbox 20 cd was put in for the course of 12 hours, loud. I didnt think the cd was horrible, but at the end of that day, I felt crazy. I didnt listen to a song from that again for a year. Its the fact that it was put on, and after about 3 hours, I couldnt think at all lol. It fills your mind with constant stimulation, no room for thinking.
     
SharpObject wrote on 04/30/2009 - 08:08 pm / quote |
"I take it as an honor to think that perhaps our song could be used to quell another 9/11 attack or something like that."

Hahaha what an absurd man!
     
sidvicious_91 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 08:09 pm / quote |
tbag2325 wrote:

lars = typical behavior.

morello = typical behavior.

when are people going to stop giving a fukc about what lars ulrich has to say? hopefully sometime. sometime. oh, sometime...

When are YOU going to stop giving a fukc about what lars ulrich says? You realize that by posting you're only FUELing the fire.


Nice reference there
great tune
     
Sami Philadelph wrote on 04/30/2009 - 08:13 pm / quote |
Stop being pussies. They use Heavy Metal bands as torture? That sounds bad ass. Ugh,you pretentious metal fans need to go listen to prog rock or something,I'm getting tired of the "MUSIC IS LOVE" comments,and cliche elitism. smh.
     
Maydin88 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 08:13 pm / quote |
They should play rap. at full bass and full volume. they would all commit suicide.
     
Shoj_ wrote on 04/30/2009 - 08:15 pm / quote |
That's only saddening.

Even ignoring everything else besides that they want to kill us, doing this is still horrible. Music is an art and cannot be used as torture... music should be about peace. I still think the Drowning Pool bassist is an idiot now... I never did like their music anyways.

I can't comment on torture in general, even though I dislike it; but using music as torture... really now?
     
oiiopo wrote on 04/30/2009 - 08:21 pm / quote |
Imagine the conversation.

"How do we deter people from killing others?"
"Why don't we just shoot them?"
"Nah, too mean, we need to put them off death."
"Why not play Death Metal? That has nothing to do with death!"
"Great idea!"

Fail.
     
Noremak wrote on 04/30/2009 - 08:24 pm / quote |
...or we can just NOT piss off musicians and instead play a high pitched ringing noise
     
corrda00 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 08:36 pm / quote |
oiiopo wrote:

Imagine the conversation.

"How do we deter people from killing others?"
"Why don't we just shoot them?"

"Nah, too mean, we need to put them off death."
"Why not play Death Metal? That has nothing to do with death!"
"Great idea!"

Fail.


LMAO
     
Izzy_Bryce wrote on 04/30/2009 - 08:36 pm / quote |
Fritz621 wrote:

JONAS BROTHERS!!!!


uhm...okay.

i think wat tops it all off is get the most homo group and pop that in to some big ass speakers. screw mcr or fall out boy. i think in less the 24 hrs listening to Jefree Starr full blast will break anybody.
     
Rokeman wrote on 04/30/2009 - 08:37 pm / quote |
Trent Reznor sure won't be happy about his music being used like that guy said...
     
3 days grace14 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 08:42 pm / quote |
mlukeroberts222 wrote:

I like Drowning Pool but that dude crossed the line...there is no place for torture. Long live Morello/Ulrich!!


im with you
     
sg4ever wrote on 04/30/2009 - 08:50 pm / quote |
I don't like the idea of torture myself. It's unethical. Someone has to be humane, and if they can't be humane then it's up to us. Killing in self-defense is one thing, but inflicting misery to extract information is unethical and totally uncharacteristic of what America should be. People talk about how the country is screwed up, but it's not the country. It's the people who make decisions, that make us look bad that are screwed up. On a side note...there is much worse to play as torture available...LOL
     
guitarislife777 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 08:54 pm / quote |
This is the most horrifying thing i have ever read. The fact that the amazing gift of music is being used for torture defeats the entire purpose of its existence. Music is meant to be enjoyed, and as for that Drowing Pool dumbass, why the hell would you want to create music that, not only is used to make people suffer, but it is so bad that it canbe used to make people suffer? And don't you love how articulate and informed he sounded about terrorism?
     
brentondig wrote on 04/30/2009 - 08:55 pm / quote |
When I saw the show, what definitely stood out was "Norwegian death metal bands". I haven't actually listened to a Norwegian death metal band, Lars. Please explain. :P Kidding. It was a great interview other than that!
     
elementfreak wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:08 pm / quote |
Its ****ing stupid how they use music nowadays It's supposed to be enjoyed not used for torture ( dumd idiots)
     
Haveacigar wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:08 pm / quote |
liberal pussies, what music were they playing in the planes they flew into the world trade centers? they should be lucky we even kept them alive!
     
ctdguyiam wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:10 pm / quote |
open your ****ing eyes, everyone. it's not just the liberal's fault, or the conservatives, or dems/rebs, or whatever. this country is going downhill and we all just sand by ignorantly and watch it happen. the economy is dead. none of the stimulus bullshit is going to help it. the only thing that will is simply to stop spending and start saving. lots can be done. i recently read an article talking about nuclear energy and some scare they had a while back and the percentages of energy produced here. jobs can be created just by setting up more wind farms, or solar power plants, or hydroelectric plants and it's cleaner for the environment, too. we can also drill here instead of wasting money on importing everything. what else can be done to stimulate the economy while saving money? deporting illegals. it will provide jobs to rightful citizens instead of to people who shouldn't even be here. besides, is this country even worth fighting for anymore. the government has so much control over everything, the original constitution's pretty much being neglected and everybody's fighting each other. what you should be doing is standing up to the government and taking back our country. whatever happened to the values this country was founded upon? they've been thrown away and now we're dealing with this shit. (what say we just split up, the liberals can have their country and the conservatives can have theirs. everyone's happy and nobody's fighting lol) but seriously, you just take this garbage the media feeds you, never questioning anything. the media and the national government pretty much runs the country...whatever happened to state's rights? i mean, a whole war was fought simply for that reason.
     
ctdguyiam wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:13 pm / quote |
oh yeah, and i totally disagree with the whole torture thing. they should at least do EVERTHING they possibly can to find out whether someone is innocent or not. after they find someone who DEFINATELY knows some info, they should do something like using that supid mosquito ringtone or some crazy thing like that. then we won't have so much controversy....well, not as much as now, at least.
     
guitarislife777 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:15 pm / quote |
The terrorists were afraid of us when bush was president. They knew bush was a fricken cowboy and he would blow them to hell if they did anything like 9/11 again. Obama is making us look like a joke, a country of wusses, a weak nation, everything opposite of what we have been.


I laughed so hard when I read this; it may just be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I'm pretty sure they weren't afraid of Bush, considering he was president when 9/11 happened. And did he go in there and kick their ass like a freakin cowboy? No. In fact, over a year passed until troops were actually sent to Iraq, and then got stuck there for 6 more years. He didn't blow them to hell. And I'm sure the dude who threw his shoes at Bush was extremely scared of him, when he cried out "this is for all the widows and orphans!" Their not afraid of Bush, they hate him, because he ruined innocent people's lives over there. The guy who threw the shoes wasn't a terrorist. He was just a regular who was angry because his country had been torn apart by the U.S. Even if we have noble intentions, a war simply isn't the answer. And I don't know if you've noticed, but the world loves Obama. Nobody's thrown a shoe at him. And frankly, I don't you should criticize Obama for what's happened since his election, when you acknowledge that bush left him a dying shit hole. It was Bush's fault, and I think Obama's doing a decent job, considering the circumstances. Things aren't going to get better right away, but being as ignorant as you seem, you have to blame the democrat that's only been in office for 3 months. I'd like to see you get up there and do a better job than Obama and just fix the country. He's dealing with extremely hard circumstances, just give him a little bit of respect, please.
     
Weave wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:17 pm / quote |
If playing music is tourture then whoever is being tourtured should be grateful. Other places actually do real tourtures. The US "tourturing" is a joke comepared to whats actually being done elseware. As a side note why don't they tourture with My Chemical Romance...That singers voice is so annoying.
     
powerstroke wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:17 pm / quote |
^belive me I wish california was its own country. One day, liberal utopia!
     
runx2xthehills wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:23 pm / quote |
dude.. i could listen to heavy metal all day. it calms me down lol.
     
Emerman wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:33 pm / quote |
LOL Tom Morello said that when I saw him on his nightwatchman tour show. Awesome show!
     
Noob_Cakes12 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:34 pm / quote |
+! to the dude who mention brokencyde
     
Brad_Bassist wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:37 pm / quote |
They don't seem to understand that the music is a form of freedom and Prisoners hearing it will hate it because they hate freedom.
     
Gordita Supreme wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:48 pm / quote |
FireBirdKing wrote:

powerstroke wrote:

philwhite wrote:

powerstroke, you disagree with our views so you think we should die. So killing is fine but playing a little metal on reapeat is bad. I'll hit the repeat button just for you. These people want to kill us.

No it's the fact that you apparently have absolutely no value on human life. And to be quite honest, with how much the United States has ****ed the middle east and toyed with the world's affairs, controlling dictators and death squads in latin america and helping arm rebellions so we can have leaders that trade favorably even though they kill hundreds to thousands of innocents, I would hate the United states as well. You're just a little prick who thinks it's justifiable to bully around the world. And no, I don't actually think right wingers should die but I hope they cease to exist as a group soon.

Most of the people that want to kill us now anyways are because we killed tens of thousands of innocent people in the "War on Terror" who are probably pissed cause we killed their families. They aren't justified in what they are doing but neither is torture. Fuck off.

Typical liberal. Lets just sit here and let them do stuff to us instead of actually fighting back. thats why they call it WAR its supposed to be BAD theres supposed to be DEATH why the hell do we have an ARMY if we should never USE it? You do something wrong, you pay for it. there are consequences for the things we do. this is hardly torture anyway. What they did to us was WAY worse than Heavy Metal Torture (I copyright that..jk) Say a guy killed your family. He is on death row. do you say give him another chance? no you'd be the first in line to watch him die. cutting an innocent man's head of on an internet video and then being tortured with the raw power of Metallica and the others is hardly so.


You've clearly never studied the use of torture and how it is completely ineffective / not usable in court. Woo Hoo ignorant republicans crying 'Liberal' because they heard Rush say it. You're a tool. There is a slight issue with torturing the "bad guys" when a majority of them have nothing to do with 9/11.

Fail kid, fail.

Oh and lol @ people correcting Lars Ulrichs confusion of extreme metal genres. Clearly you all know more about metal than Ulrich. Hahahaha.
     
JY-Rasputin wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:49 pm / quote |
Norwegian Death metal.... Norwegian DEATH metal??? Doen Lars Ulrich listen to Polka in his spare time, doesn't he know anything about the history of the metal scene? BLACK! Norwegian 'B-L-A-C-K' metal ffs, it was around long before this guy started playing drums...
     
liam1107 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:49 pm / quote |
zarreph wrote:

Come on man, seriously? Music is meant to be enjoyed, not used for torture. This is taking something that an artist put together because they love what they do, and bastardizing it. I am so incredibly against this...

(and that Drowning Pool bassist is an idiot)

+55326284
     
DouglasDisaster wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:54 pm / quote |
Forget Sandman, they should play Don't tread on me. This is nothing new, the military has been using music in war since Vietnam. My uncle told me how they used to mount loudspeakers on vehicles, and play Jimi Hendrix, and Blue Cheer at top volume to scare the locals. It's called Psy-Ops. Remember the Wagner scene from Apocalypse Now? That was based on real operations. I feel that any artist should have a say in how & where their music is played. If the military is going to use music to psych out the enemy, they should get written permission from the artist. Just like everyone else. Besides, playing that stuff just convinces the prisoners that we ARE the devil.
     
RokkGuitarist50 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:55 pm / quote |
wow they are actually entertaining the prisoners!
Guard "ARE YOU GUNNA GIVE US THE ANSWERS WE WANT??"
Prisoner " Psssh no! But turn it up! i love this song!!
Dun dun dee dun dun!.... "

lmao
     
BlackCrow15 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:57 pm / quote |
guitaringnathan :
how are some people shocked by , i dont condone it at all but its been going on for years and mostly in secret. This is just one of the few cases where this one saw the light. and morello, shut up, just play your guitar, you're not as political as you think you are

+1 to you sir.
but this technique is very effective. i no longer eat lunch at school because of the constant blasting of a mixture of hip hop, and every 5 songs they play enter sandman
     
RokkGuitarist50 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 09:59 pm / quote |
Gordita Supreme wrote:

You've clearly never studied the use of torture and how it is completely ineffective / not usable in court. Woo Hoo ignorant republicans crying 'Liberal' because they heard Rush say it. You're a tool. There is a slight issue with torturing the "bad guys" when a majority of them have nothing to do with 9/11.

Fail kid, fail.

Oh and lol @ people correcting Lars Ulrichs confusion of extreme metal genres. Clearly you all know more about metal than Ulrich. Hahahaha.


+867530986753098675309

pwnd blatant right winger!!
     
7stringuzr wrote on 04/30/2009 - 10:09 pm / quote |
i wouldn't mind having metallicas music blasted at me.

*Dear mother, Dear fatherrrr!!!!* that would never get old. now use lil wayne as a torture method all you want that shit will make me go insane!!
     
spootz wrote on 04/30/2009 - 10:11 pm / quote |
insane clown posse would drive them mad!!!
     
cyclobs wrote on 04/30/2009 - 10:18 pm / quote |
wow, they can torture me with metallica any day.

i would enjoy it
     
fatmanslim12 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 10:19 pm / quote |
if they wanna cause come damage play the f***ing jonas borhters to them
     
rip3149 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 10:38 pm / quote |
i find this deeply disturbing, and purely sad. if the government wants to use music they didn't write or record themselves, they should at least get the artist's permission first.
     
AlAxe wrote on 04/30/2009 - 10:39 pm / quote |
As an artist, if I knew that the music I created and poured my soul into was being used for torture I would be pissed off. Torturing people who are apparently America's enemies makes us no better than they are. The US should set an example to the rest of the world and put an end to torture in all forms. Plus Torture has been studied and shown that it is ineffective.

     
uncleSam1 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 10:41 pm / quote |
Wesseem, seriously are you this clueless?!? In Iraq you had the Iraqi civilians (Sunni, Shi'ite, Kurd), you had Saddam and his Ba'ath Party and their Revolutionary Guard (military), and then you had a shit load of foreign rebels who streamed into Iraq from Iran.

We defeated Saddam's military easily, quickly, and handily. However, the foreign rebels dressed as Iraqi police, casual civilians etc... and took shots at NATO troops from churches, hospitals, etc... These are the bastards that caused many of the civilian casualties.

Oh and since this wasn't spoon fed to you i'll clue you into the fact that running up to the last election, Iraq's Prime Minister met with Obama and McCain to ensure that the US would not completely pullout after the election...the people of Iraq wanted us their because these bastards streaming across the border from Iran kept blowing them up with car bombs.

You can insult me all you want. Maybe someday you'll grow up and realize that much of what you consider to be the media (Fox included) are no longer journalists who serve as our eyes and ears but are cheerleaders for the bastard politicians in Washington.
     
oncetaken wrote on 04/30/2009 - 10:47 pm / quote |
in today's news... some musicians FAMOUS for voicing their views have voiced their views. thats it for today, but tune in next week to hear to hear bono talk about africa!
     
SatanPriest wrote on 04/30/2009 - 10:49 pm / quote |
I think Merzbow would be the most psychologically damaging music to blast into someone's ears.
     
uncleSam1 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 10:51 pm / quote |
Gordita Supreme wrote:

You've clearly never studied the use of torture and how it is completely ineffective / not usable in court. Woo Hoo ignorant republicans crying 'Liberal' because they heard Rush say it. You're a tool. There is a slight issue with torturing the "bad guys" when a majority of them have nothing to do with 9/11.


Dummy, the argument isn't whether or not torture works...it sure as hell does. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed sang like a canary when we put a little caterpillar in his cell and told him it was poisonous (we are such meanies). There are CIA memos which, of course, BO will not release that document specific events that were planned (on in the L.A.) area that were prevented by the use of advanced interrogation.

I hope they release a majority of the poor innocent Gitmo prisoners in your state!
     
joemac15 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 10:55 pm / quote |
1. I am a former soldier.
2. You have no idea what some of our own soldiers are put through, things I can guarantee you would consider torture if loud repetive music is.
3. Don't think that soldiers are just killing innocent Iraqis. Accidents do happen, sadly in war there are always civilian casulties at one point or another. That's in any conflict or war.
4. Who do you think is killing these Iraqis/US soldiers (mostly Iraqis) in mass numbers? IE carbombs every few days...IRAQI/ISLAMIC TERRORISTS (not Iraqis in general--terrorists) trying to undermine the government, not US soldiers.
5. There is much more freedom in Iraq since 2003, despite Islamic terrorists trying to keep Iraq from rising up.
6. If you consider loud repetive music as torture, how do you feel about being decapitated with a rusty knife while being video taped.
7. Lastly, I love how so many of you are so "well informed" about what's going on in the world. I also wish these musicians would get off their high horses and atleast try to see the bigger picture. These terrorists will not EVER like us. Unless were are dead or we all convert to Islam. That's the bottom line, no in between. Just leaving them alone allows their numbers to increase. How soon we forget the attacks that happened on our own US soil.
     
uncleSam1 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 10:57 pm / quote |
joemac15 wrote:

1. I am a former soldier.
2. You have no idea what some of our own soldiers are put through, things I can guarantee you would consider torture if loud repetive music is.
3. Don't think that soldiers are just killing innocent Iraqis. Accidents do happen, sadly in war there are always civilian casulties at one point or another. That's in any conflict or war.
4. Who do you think is killing these Iraqis/US soldiers (mostly Iraqis) in mass numbers? IE carbombs every few days...IRAQI/ISLAMIC TERRORISTS (not Iraqis in general--terrorists) trying to undermine the government, not US soldiers.
5. There is much more freedom in Iraq since 2003, despite Islamic terrorists trying to keep Iraq from rising up.
6. If you consider loud repetive music as torture, how do you feel about being decapitated with a rusty knife while being video taped.
7. Lastly, I love how so many of you are so "well informed" about what's going on in the world. I also wish these musicians would get off their high horses and atleast try to see the bigger picture. These terrorists will not EVER like us. Unless were are dead or we all convert to Islam. That's the bottom line, no in between. Just leaving them alone allows their numbers to increase. How soon we forget the attacks that happened on our own US soil.


+99999 Thank you (for your post and your service)
     
carlos1536 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 11:07 pm / quote |
HeavyMetalHokie wrote:

they should play jonas brothers. id cut off my arm just to get them to shut it off.

and good for the guy from drowning pool. it proves you can be a patriot and a musician


amen 2 that! id like 2 meet a guy tough enough 2 stand listenin 2 the jonas brothers tied up.
     
edgarvanburen wrote on 04/30/2009 - 11:11 pm / quote |
oncetaken wrote:

in today's news... some musicians FAMOUS for voicing their views have voiced their views. thats it for today, but tune in next week to hear to hear bono talk about africa!


lol
     
RockInPeaceDime wrote on 04/30/2009 - 11:16 pm / quote |
FireBirdKing wrote:

paddypadman wrote:

Supposedly Hetfield doesn't really mind according to March's "Q" Magazine..

There was a whole section devoted to the certain songs that are used as torture..

to be completely honest i dont see how wrong this is. We arent doing any physical harm ( hearing damage MAYBE) so...the conservatives should love this.


Torture rarely has much to do with physical damage.
     
RockInPeaceDime wrote on 04/30/2009 - 11:26 pm / quote |
joemac15 wrote:

1. I am a former soldier.
2. You have no idea what some of our own soldiers are put through, things I can guarantee you would consider torture if loud repetive music is.
3. Don't think that soldiers are just killing innocent Iraqis. Accidents do happen, sadly in war there are always civilian casulties at one point or another. That's in any conflict or war.
4. Who do you think is killing these Iraqis/US soldiers (mostly Iraqis) in mass numbers? IE carbombs every few days...IRAQI/ISLAMIC TERRORISTS (not Iraqis in general--terrorists) trying to undermine the government, not US soldiers.
5. There is much more freedom in Iraq since 2003, despite Islamic terrorists trying to keep Iraq from rising up.
6. If you consider loud repetive music as torture, how do you feel about being decapitated with a rusty knife while being video taped.
7. Lastly, I love how so many of you are so "well informed" about what's going on in the world. I also wish these musicians would get off their high horses and atleast try to see the bigger picture. These terrorists will not EVER like us. Unless were are dead or we all convert to Islam. That's the bottom line, no in between. Just leaving them alone allows their numbers to increase. How soon we forget the attacks that happened on our own US soil.


I really fail to see how this justifies destroying every bit of the foundation this country was built upon.

I really fail to see how this at all fits into what is clearly written in our founding documents and the positions our founders took. You cannot torture then claim the high ground and pretend your nation is on pedestal among the world (I don't care what kind of torture it is...torture is torture).

I really fail to see how we're going to win a war, that is as much moral as it is physical, by becoming more and more like those we deem "ruthless enemies."

I really fail to see how the same people who defend torture with this logic are the first to rise up and cry about "big government" and government having too much power.

I really fail to see how the majority of people who support the use of torture happen to be conservatives, which means the majority of those supporting the use of torture are religious (mostly Christian), and they don't see a single bit of hypocrisy in this.

I thank you for your service and dedication. But the same way you ask these musicians to "step off their high horses," I'll have to ask hypocritical, torturing imbeciles to step off their high horses and stop pretending you're stopping another 9/11 by giving these people more fuel for hate.

There are fairly simple reasons they hate us...it has nothing to do with us having PS3s, SUVs, and letting our women drive. It has everything to do with constantly invading their region, their countries, setting up military bases throughout their countries (when they're clearly opposed...this is one of the top reasons Bin Laden cited for 9/11), treating them like lesser people when we're the ones who founded, funded, and supported these terrorist groups from day 1 until we magically decided we didn't feel like it anymore, etc. etc. Their reasons aren't that petty for hating us.
     
IIVV wrote on 04/30/2009 - 11:26 pm / quote |
if metallica didnt want to torture people they shud release a good record for once
     
Mr. Skull wrote on 04/30/2009 - 11:26 pm / quote |
jamie_hough wrote:

dentrix wrote:

HeavyMetalHokie wrote:
and good for the guy from drowning pool. it proves you can be a patriot and a musician

Theres nothing patriotic about torturing people, just shows us sinking to the level of the supposed evil we're fighting

Well said sir... That drowing pool bassist doesnt have a clue - torture only breeds more hatred for the West..Im not saying lets all daisy chain each other but torture isnt the way...


sometimes you gotta sink down to the level of the bad guys to get em.
     
RockInPeaceDime wrote on 04/30/2009 - 11:29 pm / quote |
uncleSam1 wrote:

Gordita Supreme wrote:

You've clearly never studied the use of torture and how it is completely ineffective / not usable in court. Woo Hoo ignorant republicans crying 'Liberal' because they heard Rush say it. You're a tool. There is a slight issue with torturing the "bad guys" when a majority of them have nothing to do with 9/11.

Dummy, the argument isn't whether or not torture works...it sure as hell does. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed sang like a canary when we put a little caterpillar in his cell and told him it was poisonous (we are such meanies). There are CIA memos which, of course, BO will not release that document specific events that were planned (on in the L.A.) area that were prevented by the use of advanced interrogation.

I hope they release a majority of the poor innocent Gitmo prisoners in your state!


The majority of the most legitimate, helpful info gained that was related to the LA plot was acquired prior to the use of torture.
     
MrGuitarGuy01 wrote on 04/30/2009 - 11:42 pm / quote |
i dont know why they're using Metallica, im sure some of the inmated enjoyed it the first couple times, they should have used the Jonas Brothers or other equally shitty and annoying bands. I would give them 2 days before they killed themselves.
     
Ledforthehead wrote on 04/30/2009 - 11:45 pm / quote |
maybe the terrorist will get a good taste in music along the way...
     
slashnzakkrule wrote on 04/30/2009 - 11:53 pm / quote |
loveguitar2494 wrote:

3 words that would break any man... Fall Out Boy hahhahah


+infinity
     
a7xf@n43v3r wrote on 04/30/2009 - 11:56 pm / quote |
FireBirdKing wrote:

loveguitar2494 wrote:

3 words that would break any man... Fall Out Boy hahhahah

Add three more letters: MCR


and pretty much any little whiny scene band out there
     
scarfacesuit wrote on 04/30/2009 - 11:59 pm / quote |
HeavyMetalHokie wrote:

they should play jonas brothers. id cut off my arm just to get them to shut it off.

and good for the guy from drowning pool. it proves you can be a patriot and a musician


There's nothing patriotic about torture. Nor is there anything patriotic about innocent detainees being tortured.
     
TheLandShark wrote on 05/01/2009 - 12:56 am / quote |
omg Metallica playing over and over is my paradise!!!!
     
ROCKMAN_A1 wrote on 05/01/2009 - 01:11 am / quote |
If metallica is torture,i want to be tortured everyday! :headbang:
     
RunawayKaren wrote on 05/01/2009 - 01:18 am / quote |
Hearing metal played over and over again would drive me insane.

But I'd still rater that then something that actually hurts.

     
init24 wrote on 05/01/2009 - 01:27 am / quote |
im surprised lars was able to completely forget about the culture between Americans and Arabs, especially in music
     
syedzaim wrote on 05/01/2009 - 01:51 am / quote |
want to torture someone? use jonas brothers or hannah montana
metallica? theyre not the kind of metal that will drive you insane
death or black or satanic metal with heavy growls that could drive you crazy
i 'torture' myself like that everyday by booming metallica on my stereo and i love it
     
Barrier_of_Pain wrote on 05/01/2009 - 01:52 am / quote |
I wish i could make everyones ears bleed with my music. If they arent prisoners well then there would be no extra charge.
     
Shamanic Rhythm wrote on 05/01/2009 - 02:04 am / quote |
Wow, why am I not surprised to find a) people making lame jokes about what music would be real torture and b) people turning this into a political debate. As someone said earlier, the only thing that's surprising about this comment section is that no one has started talking about Dave Mustaine.
     
[travis] wrote on 05/01/2009 - 02:04 am / quote |
I doubt that they're using Metallica for torture. They're probably using ABBA, Jonas Brothers, N'SYNC, Alvin and the Chipmunks, Madonna, and all Rap songs.
     
[travis] wrote on 05/01/2009 - 02:05 am / quote |
IIVV wrote:

if metallica didnt want to torture people they shud release a good record for once


lol.
     
TOMMYB22 wrote on 05/01/2009 - 02:26 am / quote |
RUSTDOGG666 wrote:

I can name, you know, 30 Norwegian death metal bands that would make Metallica sound like Simon and Garfunkle

Wow Lars. I mean okay I can agree with this but come on dude your insulting your own band by saying that. Even though this is true I wouldn't be saying that about a band that I'm in but whatever.


Your an idiot. He's not saying that Metallica is shit, he's saying that in terms of metal music they are far from the extremity of some death/black metal (br00tal screaming, 1,000,000,000 bpm etc.)
     
cockballs89 wrote on 05/01/2009 - 02:43 am / quote |
why are they using awsome music to torture these people. they should ****in use the horrible gay emo music like fall out boy. i know i would blow my ****in brains out by the time the fisrt chourus kicked in.
     
PMAC01 wrote on 05/01/2009 - 02:44 am / quote |
The bassist of Drowning Pool is so ignorant and misguided. Anyone who believes FOX News only, or MSNBC, or any biased news channel ONLY is ignorant. Do not forget the fact that torture is used to get the information they want, BUT the person being tortured doesn't care whether it is true or not. They just want the torture to stop. So they end up telling people whatever they want. Please research the senate investigations on the results of the info obtained through torture. IT WAS ALL BOGUS! So... don't be ignorant. Don't support these techniques of gathering intelligence.
     
mrcrono wrote on 05/01/2009 - 03:00 am / quote |
This needs to be stopped.
     
ch1pmnk wrote on 05/01/2009 - 03:34 am / quote |
why don't they just play power 106?

dude those are not even heavy bands seriously, if i wanted to torture people id play them my type of music with shit like winds of plague, august burns red, antagonist, and other stuff like that. i love that shit, but most the people i know get headaches from it
     
2trouble wrote on 05/01/2009 - 03:38 am / quote |
There is something ironic or poetic or weird about the fact that alot of the young soldiers fighting in the war use the very same music to relax, have fun or have a taste of home, but the people they are fighting can be tortured with it.
     
The Pineapple wrote on 05/01/2009 - 03:46 am / quote |
My dad was in the military and went to Guantanamo Bay and witnessed an interrogation. A military officer was feeding a prisoner Mcdonalds in exchange for information. Guantanamo Bay is a bad place.
     
Sensivitation wrote on 05/01/2009 - 03:57 am / quote |
Well, who would've known it was AMERICA doing this? It's like the muslim countries aren't torturing innocent people, are they? Oh wait ^^, they are.
     
grobbo91 wrote on 05/01/2009 - 04:03 am / quote |
I've already been tortured by Metallica music. I was lining up for a Testament signing in a record shop an hour early, and they were like 2 hours late. The shop was blasting Death Magnetic for 3 hours straight. Being stuck in a line listening to that for 3 hours isn't good at all...
     
 element4433   m   wrote on 05/01/2009 - 04:26 am / quote |
Checked.

Seriously, cut out the flaming in your torture debates. No more "liberal pussies" or "nazi republicans." I let a lot of that stuff slide, but from now on it will result in a warning.
     
Bigaxmax wrote on 05/01/2009 - 04:26 am / quote |
this is crazy
if i was being tortured like this, id totally air guitar and headbang like **** all day long xD
     
Darkness470 wrote on 05/01/2009 - 04:38 am / quote |
if you want to torture someone make them listen to HIM
     
flyboyC17 wrote on 05/01/2009 - 04:41 am / quote |
I honestly have no problem with torturing someone who hates the US and has no problem with killing us simply because we are american so all these whiny liberals need to actually think, they don't care if you are a dem or a republican or pro war or anti war they will kill you if they get the chance. If torturing one of them saves my family or friends from a potential attack or whatever then i agree with it.

Sorry for the rant but I just got back from a flight(im in the Air Force) and we were talking about this same topic on the plane. On that note try running back to your plane cuz you are being mortared and the prisoners you have inside are laughing at you while explosions go off around the airplane... you don't feel pity for them at that moment. I'll stop now.

On the music side just turn down everything on St Anger except the snare.

     
Matt Chavie wrote on 05/01/2009 - 05:40 am / quote |
What Lars misinterpreted is that his drumming is torture even when not locked in a room with it constantly playing. This guy needs to be shot, he's taking his being in metallica and using it as a platform for the dumbest ****in opinions. This may be the most selfish individual ever. I think maybe Lars should fight wars for us and see how far we get.
     
visiofx wrote on 05/01/2009 - 05:41 am / quote |
how bout out play all 3 kinds of music at the same time..rap +death metal + some jonas brothers all together nonstop 24/7....that will drive anyone senseless
     
postmortem2006 wrote on 05/01/2009 - 05:46 am / quote |
I'd sure as hell feel tortured if someone starting blaring out Metallica...
     
EpiExplorer wrote on 05/01/2009 - 06:22 am / quote |
rich420 wrote:

Metallica's Lars Ulrich Discusses Music Being Used As Torture

I thought this article was going to be about St.Anger


Idiot.
     
Cresspo wrote on 05/01/2009 - 06:23 am / quote |
this really does proove how stupid governements are
     
Astaldo wrote on 05/01/2009 - 06:24 am / quote |
WTF, music as torture? this is so ****ed up.... **** this ****ing **** people
     
rockerjesus wrote on 05/01/2009 - 06:25 am / quote |
olny the yanks could think of an enjoyable torture

for some serious pain play some jonas brothers at the same time as some fall out boy and some rap and they will confess to anything you ask so long as you turn it off
     
EpiExplorer wrote on 05/01/2009 - 06:30 am / quote |
Matt Chavie wrote:

What Lars misinterpreted is that his drumming is torture even when not locked in a room with it constantly playing. This guy needs to be shot, he's taking his being in metallica and using it as a platform for the dumbest ****in opinions. This may be the most selfish individual ever. I think maybe Lars should fight wars for us and see how far we get.


Yay, more lars bashing, its getting old guys, really old, we all know hes an average drummer, we know he has wierd mannerisms in what he does and says, and we know he can be a wanker, but filling the forums with such messages is just pointless.

     
p1nh34d wrote on 05/01/2009 - 06:38 am / quote |
Something like month ago I comment Drowning Pool's last album and I got to disscusion with few guys here and I got banned for my words. Now the basist got me satisfied. I'm done with them, forever.
And playing Enter Sandman over and over can be really a torture, after 18 years Metallica is still playing this song on every show. Sometimes it is a little torture for me too ))
     
EpiExplorer wrote on 05/01/2009 - 06:44 am / quote |
JY-Rasputin wrote:

Norwegian Death metal.... Norwegian DEATH metal??? Doen Lars Ulrich listen to Polka in his spare time, doesn't he know anything about the history of the metal scene? BLACK! Norwegian 'B-L-A-C-K' metal ffs, it was around long before this guy started playing drums...


Nu, **** off, everyone with knowledge of the basi history of 80's thrash KNOW that its infact Venom who started black metal, some smart band called Cletic Frost just dragged on the idea in '85, and since metallica had already released two albums by then... I'll let you figure it out, numbnuts
     
EpiExplorer wrote on 05/01/2009 - 06:45 am / quote |
Wow, my typing is atrocious today o.o
     
EpiExplorer wrote on 05/01/2009 - 06:52 am / quote |
Screwey Americans, always getting roiled up in their own problems and leaving the rest of the world to do with it.

Wanna know why all the british troops keep getting killed? because your goddamn tanks dont have barrel rifling.
     
thfc wrote on 05/01/2009 - 07:48 am / quote |
I think some Celine Dion would definitely do the trick. Try hearing the Titanic song a few times in a row...
     
Cobain_Is_King wrote on 05/01/2009 - 07:49 am / quote |
will-loves-zep wrote:

would anyone on here actually mind being locked in a cell listening to metallica, queen and rage?

I most certainly would.

And everyone bitching about 'Black metal not death,' **** off. I know Norway is known for Black metal moreso than Death Metal but that doesn't mean there aren't any Death Metal bands in Norway. That's like saying 'Pop Bands in Finland? There are only melodeath bands in Finland!'
     
shadow__666 wrote on 05/01/2009 - 07:50 am / quote |
The lack of maturity in this article fails to surprise me on any level.

To all the "play Jonas Brothers/Hannah Montana/whatever for torture, not METULZ!!!1!!1" crowd- FFS, remember where these guys are from. 90% of them will probably never have heard of heavy metal and won't be desensitised to it the way you guys are, so having loud music with someone growling/screaming/whatever will f*Ck with your head in a why that a cheesy pop song may not. I agree with Lars that there is other music that would be more effective. but that's beside the point.
     
randomdude wrote on 05/01/2009 - 09:19 am / quote |
philwhite wrote:

No one cares that these people want to kill you? They are locked up for a reason. Protecting your country is patriotic. Pandering to terrorists is not. Get a clue.


Thank you. I can't believe what the world is coming too. Obama and the rest of all the left are nothing but cowards. These terrorists would have no problem beheading you infront of your family, yet we are making a big deal about torture?

     
rainmaker13 wrote on 05/01/2009 - 05:58 pm / quote |
In Prison: You get your own toilet
At Work: You have to share the toilet with some people who pee on the seat.
     
Ricky4635 wrote on 05/02/2009 - 12:08 pm / quote |
I'm Canadien and I've grown up watching George be a complete ass. I really thought that Barrak Obama would change America. If Mr. Obama doesn't get rid of this I will lose all faith in America. I am against all torture but, this is gone way to far. Maybe a classroom and Teachers explaining why Americain in general aren't so bad would be better "torture" for the terrist. If my music was used for torture I would die of embarrasment. That Drowning Pool guy is a FUCKTARD!
     
GuitarsNewbie wrote on 05/03/2009 - 09:44 am / quote |
Mayhem,Gorgoroth.
     
munkyboy99 wrote on 05/04/2009 - 12:21 am / quote |
uncleSam1 wrote:

Munkyboy99, i just saw that you have "Michael Moore" Documentaries listed as your favorite movies. If i would have read that before i responded to you i could have saved myself some time.

Ignoring that fact that Michael More is a propagandist and an ambulance chaser, seriously his documentaries are your favorite movies? You don't like American Pie or Superbad? Michael Moore documentaries...Wow, you must be one fun dude to hang out with.

American Pie is stupid? as with most teen movies? wow a guy ****ing a pie? Sorry if i choose to better my time doing other things instead of filling my head with cheesy pop culture references that me and all my friends can relate to each other.
And ya I'm aware Micheal Moore is a propagandaist, but that doesn't mean everything he is saying isn't true?
secondly your arguments are terrible btw, you pick selective fights and only respond to certain things, and change the subject to suit your debates, oh and brush off other peoples statements as if they were nothing and completely untrue.

there is just no actual justification for being in Iraq anymore, you don't go into a country **** it up and then say you have to stay because if you left everything would be chaos, well guess what your the one who ****ed it up in the first place based on clear lies. And even admitting they were lies later on.
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and if you really believe Al-Queda is in Iraq then your just stupid.
at your little comment on oil etc.
The oil companies have 40+ years of oil reserves, they can fluctuate the price as they please, and yes they have dipped their hands in Iraq oil its been admitted, and why else would they invade that country?
The US made out a plan to invade Iraq and Iran simply b/c they are the worlds biggest suppliers of the stuff and Saudi Arabia is already comply with demands.
     
guitargodgary13 wrote on 05/04/2009 - 04:13 pm / quote |
SmackThis707 wrote:

if they really wanted to torture someone, they should play brokencyde. that will make anyone go insane.


Play some jonas brothers, that should do some serious damage.
     
Sleez Boy wrote on 05/04/2009 - 06:04 pm / quote |
I like some of the arguments posted up on here. Yeah, I agree with Ulrich & Morello, but I won't go blasting Steve Benton like a lot of people. In a way, I could understand by his sayings. I don't really agree, but I don't flame him at all.
     
Sleez Boy wrote on 05/04/2009 - 06:09 pm / quote |
SmackThis707 wrote:

if they really wanted to torture someone, they should play brokencyde. that will make anyone go insane.
FireBirdKing wrote:

loveguitar2494 wrote:

3 words that would break any man... Fall Out Boy hahhahah

Add three more letters: MCR
HeavyMetalHokie wrote:

they should play jonas brothers. id cut off my arm just to get them to shut it off.



I would literally give any information to enemies if they blasted that music at me.

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
with infinite numbers
     
Grudgeshredder wrote on 05/04/2009 - 09:37 pm / quote |
Well shit... they just disgraced music basically by doing this. The Drowning Pool bassist is just pissed off because his band only had one good hit. And these guys are idiots for song choices as well. Everyone knows if you're gonna use thrash metal to torture someone, just blare out St. Anger and Risk. Not the good stuff like Master of Puppets, Rust in Peace, ot Seasons in the Abyss. Simple as that.
     
samisounny wrote on 05/06/2009 - 11:39 am / quote |
[travis] wrote:

I doubt that they're using Metallica for torture. They're probably using ABBA, Jonas Brothers, N'SYNC, Alvin and the Chipmunks, Madonna, and all Rap songs.


i agree with you completly
     
waysay wrote on 05/11/2009 - 10:26 am / quote |
We'll at least their music is doing something for the country. They just sit around and do herion all day. Haha. And what the does Lars mean buy "Metallica music helping scared 18 and nineteen year olds on the frontline" is it ok to listen to it on the battlefield? would you please clear this up for me Lars?
     
waysay wrote on 05/11/2009 - 10:27 am / quote |
Just kidding about the Herion thing, just a joke. you're not a Seatle band!
     
Oblivoath666 wrote on 05/11/2009 - 02:36 pm / quote |
Taking back sunday....and fall out boy , and good charlotte,,,,,that would kill me...oh yeah and that song gives you hell by The all American Rejects,,,The "solo" sounds like a dying cat on top of a horribly out of tune guitar.lol
     
Jimvaxx wrote on 05/11/2009 - 03:40 pm / quote |
powerstroke wrote:

You two are total *****s if you think it's ever ok to torture anyone. Regardless of what the person would do to us, stripping them of their human rights and intentionally causing misery is never acceptable. Don't ****ing retort by saying they'd do the same because how the **** can we call ourselves the light of democracy (which is bullshit) if we can't even act like the more civilized person. Morello= always right politically and for one I actually agree with Lars. Torture isn't acceptable and you right wing *****s who promote honestly dont deserve to live.


too true, i agree with you completely. some people are are being completely stupid about this. torture is torture, and no matter what band's music they're playing, it's wrong.

     
AerialOverdrive wrote on 05/11/2009 - 05:02 pm / quote |
Tom Morello FTMFW
     
Death_Rose66 wrote on 05/11/2009 - 05:41 pm / quote |
JimmyC8277 wrote:

Tom Morello of Rage Against The Machine has been particularly vocal about his distaste of the practice even going so far as to tell fans at a concert, "I suggest that they level Guantanamo Bay, but they keep one small cell and they put [former U.S. President George W. Bush] in there ... and they blast some Rage Against the Machine."

amazing idea!


I agree 100%
     
GisleAune wrote on 05/12/2009 - 06:15 am / quote |
Tokio Hotel, makes people confess, even when they're innocent, WARNING: Doesn't work for 10 year old girls.
     
niejel wrote on 05/12/2009 - 08:21 am / quote |
FireBirdKing wrote:

loveguitar2494 wrote:

3 words that would break any man... Fall Out Boy hahhahah

Add three more letters: MCR


+1 dude.
     
RememberMyName wrote on 05/17/2009 - 09:14 am / quote |
Jimvaxx wrote:

powerstroke wrote:

You two are total *****s if you think it's ever ok to torture anyone. Regardless of what the person would do to us, stripping them of their human rights and intentionally causing misery is never acceptable. Don't ****ing retort by saying they'd do the same because how the **** can we call ourselves the light of democracy (which is bullshit) if we can't even act like the more civilized person. Morello= always right politically and for one I actually agree with Lars. Torture isn't acceptable and you right wing *****s who promote honestly dont deserve to live.

too true, i agree with you completely. some people are are being completely stupid about this. torture is torture, and no matter what band's music they're playing, it's wrong.


Amen and a half. How about we lay some torture on the Drowning Pool bassist and see if he still wants to make brainless flippant remarks?

And if you call St. Anger torture, then I'd love to live in your world 'coz I wouldn't have any troubles. *PSST! I'VE HEARD THEY HAND OUT FREE 'COOL POINTS' IF YOU RAG OUT ON ST. ANGER ON GUITAR FORUMS!*
     
Eruption_Rocker wrote on 05/18/2009 - 10:36 am / quote |
hugh20 wrote:

St Anger?


hahaha +1
     
v2a2n2g2 wrote on 06/01/2009 - 12:01 pm / quote |
If they really wanted to torture them they should just played Britney Spears. lol Come to think of it I think it's a brilliant torture device with the right music. How the hell are you going to torture them with metal? Make them headbang to death?
     
Dukey wrote on 06/01/2009 - 12:46 pm / quote |
Who did they tortured, Tipper Gore?! (**** Tipper Gore!)
     
Woffelz wrote on 06/23/2009 - 03:29 pm / quote |
If you want to torture someone with music, just make them listen to Electric Light Orchestra or Girls Aloud!

Long Live Thrash Metal
     
kinghate69 wrote on 07/02/2009 - 05:03 pm / quote |
thats awesome..
     
bass-man9712 wrote on 07/09/2009 - 10:53 pm / quote |
wow... the government is running out of idea's i guess if they turn to blasting music at people but i agree with Morello 100%
     
ironwolg wrote on 07/14/2009 - 02:02 am / quote |
the government is against cruel and unusual punishment? i think this kinda controdicts our constitution. no wonder so many people hate us, look at what we've reduced oruselfs to: blasting music so that our enemies can have a psychological breakdown? our govermnent is pathetic.

i agree with everyone who is bashing fall out boy and my chemical romance and all bands like that, those "bands" are torture.

Music is to be enjoyed, not to be used as a weapon. what's wrong with people?
     
allfooie wrote on 11/09/2009 - 08:21 pm / quote |
hugh20 wrote:

St Anger?


+100
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