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Ozzy Osbourne Sues Tony Iommi Over Ownership Of Black Sabbath Name

artist: black sabbath date: 05/30/2009 category: general music news
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Ozzy Osbourne Sues Tony Iommi Over Ownership Of Black Sabbath Name

According to the New York Post, Ozzy Osbourne has filed a lawsuit against his Black Sabbath bandmate Tony Iommi, claiming that Iommi illegally took sole ownership of the band's name in a filing with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.

Osbourne is suing Iommi for a 50 percent interest in the "Black Sabbath" trademark, along with a portion of Iommi's profits from use of the name.

The Manhattan federal court suit also charges that Osbourne's "signature lead vocals" are largely responsible for the band's "extraordinary success," noting that its popularity plummeted during his absence from 1980 through 1996.

Ozzy's suit follows one filed by Iommi in December 2008 against Live Nation. In that filing, Iommi claims the concert giant sold merchandise bearing the band's logo, despite the 2006 expiration of a merchandising deal, reportedly worth nearly $80 million. Soon after that agreement concluded, Iommi reclaimed the band's trademark.

Iommi's suit argues Live Nation continued to sell more than 100 items of merchandise featuring the band's likeness, name and logo, despite the receipt of cease-and-desist orders from the guitarist's camp. Iommi's suit seeks damages in the amount of three times the profits from the merchandise sales, plus a halt to the Black Sabbath product sales.

Iommi and Geezer Butler have both said some less than kind things about working with Osbourne in a new interview with Decibel magazine. The pair recently completed a new studio album as Heaven & Hell, the post-Ozzy version of Sabbath featuring vocalist Ronnie James Dio, and Butler said that working with Dio was much easier than Osbourne. He explained, "Ronnie's a songwriter in his own right — he's got tons of ideas. Whereas Ozzy . . . in the old days, he'd come up with a vocal line and I'd write the lyrics. Ronnie is 100 percent involved in both the musical side and the vocal side, and he writes his own lyrics as well."

Butler added that Osbourne didn't take him seriously as a songwriter, saying, "If we were with Ozzy and I came in with the killer riff of all time, Ozzy wouldn't even think of doing it because I'm not the guitarist and that's the way he thinks . . . That's why it was so bloody hard to write anything."

Butler said about Heaven & Hell's debut CD, "The Devil You Know", "If we'd written this album with Ozzy, we'd still be working on the first track."

Iommi added that there was a sharp difference between the singers live as well, saying, "It was great being with Ozzy on the road . . . but with Ronnie it's a lot different, because we go out and we know exactly what we're gonna be doing. With Ozzy, we didn't really know. It was touch and go sometimes on some of those early shows, whether he was gonna turn up, if he'd be able to sing, if his voice was gone, or what. We'd have to cancel shows, which Geezer and myself really hated. But with Ronnie, we've never canceled a show."

Heaven & Hell will tour Europe later this spring and summer, with North American dates scheduled for August.

Ozzy Osbourne is currently working on his next solo album.

Thanks for the report to Blabbermouth.net.

POSTED: 05/30/2009 - 06:51 am
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ModestMelon wrote on 05/30/2009 - 06:56 am / quote |
*facepalm*

legal issues are ruining music news now.
     
Vauxite wrote on 05/30/2009 - 06:59 am / quote |
Typical nowadays..

As if Ozzy needs any more money, if he stopped all his income right now, he'd EASILY be able to live out the rest of his life, quite well, with the money he has.

Pathetic.
     
irishman wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:00 am / quote |
That sucks, I wonder if Sharon put Ozzy up to it? Just another way for her to make millions off her husband's success by whoring his image. That said, Ozzy sabbath is a lot better than Dio sabbath, even though Dio kick ass
     
Kastöm wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:05 am / quote |
Did Ozzy forget that Iommi IS Sabbath?
     
lockdown91 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:05 am / quote |
why don't they send all those money to third world countries? They need it more than Ozzy.
     
jimzer wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:05 am / quote |
that is so not metal... so what if tony uses the name and 'solely' owns it? he doesnt literally own it. ozzy will forver be immortalized as vocalist in the goddam band!!
     
nimrod_hahahaha wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:07 am / quote |
Speechless..
     
cliffemall123 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:08 am / quote |
The Osbourne's new show bombed and I think they are mad that Heaven and Hell is doing so well, so they needed a new way to make some money. Ozzy didn't even think of the name. And if he thinks he deserves some of the right, then don't Geezer and Bill also deserve some of it? Lame. They even decided to not call Heaven and Hell Black Sabbath because they wanted to reunite with Ozzy someday, but I guess he just killed that.
     
StewieSwan wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:08 am / quote |
Once again The Pit beats the actual news section of the website
     
6Wolf6Heart6 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:11 am / quote |
Ozzy must be really bored. Doesn't he have better things to do than going around suing people? "King of Metal" my ass.
I bet this is all Sharon's work, she is one crazy *****.
     
COBHC_Erick429 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:14 am / quote |
Oh boo hoo. he already lives in a ****ing mansion, what more does he need.
     
doomsdayscottie wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:17 am / quote |
cliffemall123 wrote:

The Osbourne's new show bombed and I think they are mad that Heaven and Hell is doing so well, so they needed a new way to make some money. Ozzy didn't even think of the name. And if he thinks he deserves some of the right, then don't Geezer and Bill also deserve some of it? Lame. They even decided to not call Heaven and Hell Black Sabbath because they wanted to reunite with Ozzy someday, but I guess he just killed that.


if anyone has actually READ the press release from the Ozzman theyd realize he wants equal partnership for the four of them and didnt mean to step on any toes with this
     
Old Lady wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:17 am / quote |
Oh come on Ozzy, you'd be nothing without Tony, give it up. Bet the Oz wins to and then Sharon can buy some more of those little puppies and be a bitch.
     
Alkaline 64 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:20 am / quote |
I'm losing patience with Ozzy... He should respect that Tony and his band mates were all part of the success Sabbath had.
     
Sonny_sam wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:25 am / quote |
I think to be honest the problem with ozzy-era sabbath was the drugs more than ozzy, and to be honest for many people, ozzy osbourne IS black sabbath, so him having no stake in the name/trademark makes no sense whatsoever.
     
Sonny_sam wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:31 am / quote |
Sorry to double post but for all those saying he has enough money already, I can't see that this is about the money for ozzy. For Iommi it obviously is, claiming 3 times the amount of sales from live nation is just greedy. I think for ozzy it's more about his legacy though. He doesn't have many years left in the music world, and Sabbath was the high point of his career, possibly his life. If he can't die with that intact, what does he have? A history of drug addiction & some average, occasionally good music. Sabbath was the only time I can think of that he produced anything better than that, with a couple of exceptions.
     
Lordi71uk wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:31 am / quote |
Hmmm methinks its sharon wanting more limelight after a disasterous telivision career
     
SOADriff wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:31 am / quote |
This is just sad..
     
HammettFTW wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:35 am / quote |
lockdown91 wrote:

why don't they send all those money to third world countries? They need it more than Ozzy.
so tru, the last person i would want my mony to go to is ozzy. tony was the rieal guy behind sabbath and randy was the real guy behind ozzy (yea, i kno, in his own solo band).
     
Thrace wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:35 am / quote |
I can garentee its Sharon.
     
webbtje wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:39 am / quote |
For someone who wrote none of the music, this is stepping on a lot more toes that it's worth.
     
jean_genie wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:39 am / quote |
Ozzy is to Black Sabbath as David Lee Roth is to Van Halen. Even though most people will agree that Black Sabbath is much better with him, and that he's much better with the band than solo, that doesn't mean that the band wasn't still great without him. It was just ... different.

Since Ozzy is neither cunning enough or jerkish enough to pull an Axl and make everybody give up name rights, I think it's pretty clear that royalties involving his images or songs on which he sang should go partly to him. Stuff that just says "Black Sabbath" should go to people that are currently still in the band.
     
flamey088 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:39 am / quote |
f**ck me, ozzy does not need any more money. He was the face of sabbath, but i believe the music solely belongs to to the other members of the band. Of course ozzy is the original signer, but like tony and geezer said about ronnie being better to work with, ozzy was just soo opinionated and wanted things his way a lot of the time, its hard to think what a new album would sound like
     
cornmancer wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:41 am / quote |
Something tells me this was Sharon, I mean I assume they've made up for Ozzy getting fired 29 years ago. I can't even imagine how Ozzy plans on winning this.
     
korinaflyingv wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:44 am / quote |
Vauxite wrote:

Typical nowadays..

As if Ozzy needs any more money, if he stopped all his income right now, he'd EASILY be able to live out the rest of his life, quite well, with the money he has.

Pathetic.

agreed
     
Lacebad wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:46 am / quote |
there not serious lads, these guys are loaded. It's only fun for them, a game. like you and your friend trying to play practical jokes on each other tony and ozzy just get a kick out of finding new ways to sue each other
     
m1dnight wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:48 am / quote |
You lot should grow up. Ozzy has a right to that money. Im fairly sure if any of you were in his situation you wouldnt hessitate to take legal action if someone had cut you off from something you had a right too.
     
ninnipinni93 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:51 am / quote |
****in hell
     
stratdud39 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:57 am / quote |
     
Monkey Biscuits wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:02 am / quote |
well there goes a proper black sabbath reunion
     
flaphead325 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:02 am / quote |
ModestMelon wrote:

*facepalm*

legal issues are ruining music news now.
     
flaphead325 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:03 am / quote |
flaphead325 wrote:

ModestMelon wrote:

*facepalm*

legal issues are ruining music news now.


my bad
     
Fintrollx wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:03 am / quote |
c'mon Ozzy...
     
pistols wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:04 am / quote |
this better not ruin what little chance there is of an original lineup reunion.

that being said, tony shouldn't solely own the name. everyone was fine with him using it with gillan and martin anyways.
     
ReaperWaits wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:07 am / quote |
O-Z-Z-Y?
Well that's not how you spell Sharon..
     
Peres.T.Peanut wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:09 am / quote |
its a shame that the kings of metal are fighting over something so irrelevant, at least now. its not like they need the money...
     
Les Paul Ell wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:10 am / quote |
how about giving Daisley and Kerslake equal share in the Blizzard of Ozz and Diary albums then Ozzy? in fact, why don't you give them ANY money?

I'm sick of all these Ozzy stories. Iommi, Geezer and Bill Ward WERE Black Sabbath. I'm pretty sure that Ozzy didn't exactly write any of the classics. Or was he able to whistle all of Sabbath Bloody Sabbath just off the top of his head afterall..
     
mastaofrocknrol wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:11 am / quote |
StewieSwan wrote:

Once again The Pit beats the actual news section of the website

Lol
     
HeavyMetalMan28 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:11 am / quote |
Ozzy is such a greedy sellout. Doesn't he have enough money anyway?
     
2mins2midnite wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:12 am / quote |
Me thinks Sharon is the cause of all this

DIO FOR THE WIN!
     
SirShredfast wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:17 am / quote |
**** Ozzy
     
troubletcat wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:22 am / quote |
To the people saying Ozzy has enough money/he's a sellout/wtfwatadik, I'd advise you to read up on this issue a bit more.

Ozzy isn't trying to take all of Tony's money or osme shit, he's trying to get part ownership (split between all 4 members of Sabbath's best lineup, instead of it just being owned by Tony) of the Sabbath name. As far as I'm concerned they are all part of what 'made' the band, and they all deserve share in ownership of the name.
     
slipmaggot93 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:23 am / quote |
can you guys read the story before commenting and sounding like dicks?
     
Andragon wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:25 am / quote |
"Less than kind" ? He was drunk and high off his ass the whole time. Ofcourse, they don't get songs done. Less than kind would be "he was a douchebag."
I have a feeling his innocent wife has a hand in this.
Iommi & Butler ftw of the suit.
     
UNIe wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:28 am / quote |
lockdown91 wrote:

why don't they send all those money to third world countries? They need it more than Ozzy.


This!
     
Axe Samurai wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:29 am / quote |
"signature lead vocals" are largely responsible for the band's "extraordinary success,"


possibly a bit true....but, those "signature vocals" would've got NOWHERE, if Tony Iommi hadn't wrote those monster riffs that we've all come to love..

That famous proverb/saying or whatever comes to mind for me "It Takes 2 To Tango", Ozzy was nothing without the other members and the same the other way around, so this whole thing is PATHETIC! (even more so because he simply doesn't need that money)
     
EternalDivide wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:41 am / quote |
I'm sorry, but I have to agree witht the Ozzy supporters. He is only seeking equal share for everyone, including himself. (which he is entitled)All members of the original Black Sabbath lineup are amazing in their own right. But I think the level of success should speak for itself. Ozzy continued on to a huge solo career and some of the finest musicians in the world sought to share the stage with him ie: Randy Rhoades, Zakk Wylde. These are two of the biggest ones but believe me the list goes on and on.
Ozzy made a name for himself outside of Sabbath too. what did these other guys do? Seriously now.. any singer they tried to replace Ozzy with failed and miserabely. Heaven and Hell? FAIL DIO? FAIL Black Sabbath with any other singer? Well just go to their wikipedia page and look at the lineup list for Sabbath over the years...mediocre at best. Did you even know some of these guys sang for the band? I didn't think so. When Ozzy enjoyed his HUGE success throughout the 80's these guys weren't even a bleep on the radar. I know who the primary writers of the original Sabbath were. But the fact is it was Ozzy's vocals that gave that music commercial success. He was the only one crazy enough to move that band forward enough so the world could see just how much talent ALL of these guys have. Lets face it there is alot of talented bands that never make the mainstream, because they never had that key to success. Fortunately for US and Black Sabbath, Ozzy was that key. If it weren't for him we wouldn't have all of this great music to listen to! LOL
     
SwamperGene wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:41 am / quote |
Sonny_sam wrote:

Sorry to double post but for all those saying he has enough money already, I can't see that this is about the money for ozzy. For Iommi it obviously is, claiming 3 times the amount of sales from live nation is just greedy. I think for ozzy it's more about his legacy though. He doesn't have many years left in the music world, and Sabbath was the high point of his career, possibly his life. If he can't die with that intact, what does he have? A history of drug addiction & some average, occasionally good music. Sabbath was the only time I can think of that he produced anything better than that, with a couple of exceptions.


3x damages is what the law stipulates in trademark claims. Which brings up the root of this article...trademark. The whole issue has absolutely nothing to do with Sabbath's legacy, it is about current ownership and use of the name. Ozzy has not been a key figure in Black Sabbath for 30 years, and Iommi has already been issued a trademark for the name...this will likely get tossed before it ever hits a PTO hearing. Iommi's TM was issued 9 years ago, it's a bit late for opposition.
     
EternalDivide wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:41 am / quote |
I'm sorry, but I have to agree witht the Ozzy supporters. He is only seeking equal share for everyone, including himself. (which he is entitled)All members of the original Black Sabbath lineup are amazing in their own right. But I think the level of success should speak for itself. Ozzy continued on to a huge solo career and some of the finest musicians in the world sought to share the stage with him ie: Randy Rhoades, Zakk Wylde. These are two of the biggest ones but believe me the list goes on and on.
Ozzy made a name for himself outside of Sabbath too. what did these other guys do? Seriously now.. any singer they tried to replace Ozzy with failed and miserabely. Heaven and Hell? FAIL DIO? FAIL Black Sabbath with any other singer? Well just go to their wikipedia page and look at the lineup list for Sabbath over the years...mediocre at best. Did you even know some of these guys sang for the band? I didn't think so. When Ozzy enjoyed his HUGE success throughout the 80's these guys weren't even a bleep on the radar. I know who the primary writers of the original Sabbath were. But the fact is it was Ozzy's vocals that gave that music commercial success. He was the only one crazy enough to move that band forward enough so the world could see just how much talent ALL of these guys have. Lets face it there is alot of talented bands that never make the mainstream, because they never had that key to success. Fortunately for US and Black Sabbath, Ozzy was that key. If it weren't for him we wouldn't have all of this great music to listen to!
     
masteryan wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:42 am / quote |
I'm a HUGE Sabbath fan, owning every single album they've put out, and enjoyed each one! That given, I love Tony to death.
Strangely, I can see where Ozzy is coming from. His face is on every piece of merchandise that is sold around the world, his vocals are on the two of the top selling records of 1970 still selling thousands a year to a new generation.

HOWEVER, I've read reports that Ozzy gave up his share back in 1985. I assume this was in the peak of his Solo career and Black Sabbath was the last thing on his mind, much like an ex-girlfriend is when you've just scored a playboy model.
So maybe a 25% cut on future earnings isn't a bad idea. Then Ozzy can die with the Sabbath legacy to his name, and not Iommis, leaving him with a worthless solo career.
     
hamsteroceros wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:44 am / quote |

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troubletcat wrote:

To the people saying Ozzy has enough money/he's a sellout/wtfwatadik, I'd advise you to read up on this issue a bit more.

Ozzy isn't trying to take all of Tony's money or osme shit, he's trying to get part ownership (split between all 4 members of Sabbath's best lineup, instead of it just being owned by Tony) of the Sabbath name. As far as I'm concerned they are all part of what 'made' the band, and they all deserve share in ownership of the name.


Sharon is Ozzy Osbourne as far as anything remotely business-related is concerned. There's no way she gives a rat's ass about Ward & Butler- how is it that 2 50%s splits four ways, again? This is the woman who had Kerslake and Daisley's parts rerecorded by session players to avoid paying them any royalties from Blizzard of Ozz and Diary albums! I've never seen or heard anything re: Ozzy himself that doesn't lead me to believe that he is a genuinely nice guy... who happens to be married to a ruthless **** of a she-devil, that is...
     
EternalDivide wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:48 am / quote |
come on now. none of that is necessary. im here for debate not insult. its just a point of view, thats all. i think the entire band is great. but like i pointed out, where they stopped, ozzy continued.
     
metal-head666 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:50 am / quote |
if you think back to the begining of black sabbath the people that made the movie black sabbath should sue tony and co.

but i just all respect for ozzy....
     
Fender52604 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:52 am / quote |
wow. i just lost an incredible amount of respect for ozzy osbourne. this is downright pathetic.
     
Stuminton wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:52 am / quote |
lockdown91 wrote:

why don't they send all those money to third world countries? They need it more than Ozzy.


well said man
     
SwamperGene wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:53 am / quote |
You're still missing the point folks. Ozzy still gets his royalties from Sabbath recordings that he was a part of. This issue is about current use of the name nothing about the band's legacy.

Here's a simple way to look at the current issue. If H&H decided to go on the road as Black Sabbath, which legally they could, Ozzy (or most likely Sharon) is saying the Osbournes deserve a piece of the action. So all you Ozzy supporters are saying he should make money off a Sabbath tour even if he chooses not to be a part of it. F him, he's good and all but he screwed up, got himself booted out of the band, and now thinks he's still part of it legally? If you get fired from work, you can't go back 30 years later saying they owe you a living.
     
ChucklesMginty wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:03 am / quote |
People's whose respect has been lost due to lawsuits:

Axl Rose
Joe Satriani
Ozzy Osbourne
Buckethead
Rick Astley
     
SanJose wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:07 am / quote |
I guess it won't be any original Black Sabbath reunion after this?
     
BringerOfMetal wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:19 am / quote |
What the hell?
I think Ozzy doesn't need any more money, in fact, neither do, but the Black Sabbath name should belong to ALL, yes all, of the Black Sabbath members/contributors.
     
Guardian84 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:25 am / quote |
doomsdayscottie wrote:

if anyone has actually READ the press release from the Ozzman theyd realize he wants equal partnership for the four of them and didnt mean to step on any toes with this


Equal partnership? I'm no mathematician, but 4 band members, 50%? Hmmm...
     
VanTheKraut wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:25 am / quote |
I have a huge respect for both Ozzy and Iommi, unfortunately however I think Ozzy will probably be awarded profits, or atleast recieve huge amounts in an out of court settlement.
     
Deathbass89 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:26 am / quote |
Like Ozzy would do anything with the name anyway.
     
FretboardToAsh wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:29 am / quote |
Ahw hell not this shit again, them too? Ozzy you HAVE ENOUGH MONEY, you don't need more.
     
SwamperGene wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:37 am / quote |
Guardian84 wrote:

doomsdayscottie wrote:

if anyone has actually READ the press release from the Ozzman theyd realize he wants equal partnership for the four of them and didnt mean to step on any toes with this

Equal partnership? I'm no mathematician, but 4 band members, 50%? Hmmm...


Trademark. This is the issue at hand, period. The only way they could have equal ownership of the name would be to form a corporation, register the mark with the entity as owner, and handle percentages through the corporate structure. The USPTO doesn't hand out trademarks like candy, they research marks before approval. In fact Iommi's filing and approval is publicly accessible at the USPTO website.
     
shredtildeath wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:41 am / quote |
Fuck Ozzy, if it wan't for Iommi, Sabbath, indeed metal wouldn't exist. You can go on about his vocals on the old records, but that's because everyone's used to them, if they had another original vocalist they still would have been huge, since when I listen to Paranoid the greatest thing about it is the riffs not the vocals. And Dio, especially his band ****ing rules.
     
Jester InFlames wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:45 am / quote |
sad
     
The_Seventh_Sin wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:46 am / quote |
what the ****, sharon...
     
Jester InFlames wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:47 am / quote |
ChucklesMginty wrote:

People's whose respect has been lost due to lawsuits:

Axl Rose
Joe Satriani
Ozzy Osbourne
Buckethead
Rick Astley


What did buckethead do???? It s funny to immagine him at court
     
turtlewax wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:48 am / quote |
You can't see it as a personal attack. From a legal perspective Iommi has broken that contract and now owes money to Ozzy. This is just the cold business end of music in action.
     
daytrotter123 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:48 am / quote |
Why should he be paid for what they've done after he left?
     
FLbassplayer21 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:48 am / quote |
this is retarted they shud get back together and the remaining sabbath members should stop complaining ozzy is amzing and without him they suck horribly
     
Kegan wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:49 am / quote |
If his "signature lead vocals" aren't selling what he's hoping to profit from, then why is he entitled to those profits?
I agree that the other band members deserve their cut, especially since they put in three times as much hard work instead of three times as much image. As many others have stated, the money is far better spent in some third world country.
     
josbroek wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:49 am / quote |
ozzy... DIO FTW!!!!
     
SwamperGene wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:50 am / quote |
turtlewax wrote:
From a legal perspective Iommi has broken that contract and now owes money to Ozzy. This is just the cold business end of music in action.


WTF?

How did Iommi break any "contract"? In 2000 he filed a trademark application and the US gave it to him.
     
daytrotter123 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:53 am / quote |
ChucklesMginty wrote:

People's whose respect has been lost due to lawsuits:

Axl Rose
Joe Satriani
Ozzy Osbourne
Buckethead
Rick Astley


Two questions:
1. When did Buckethead get in a lawsuit?
2. When did Rick Astley have any respect in the first place?
     
Teh Skisgaars wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:54 am / quote |
DIO FTW
     
Spak20217 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:54 am / quote |
I used to like Ozzy.....now just because of this im probably going to go through my songs and delete all of his music.He just completely ruined his reputation.
     
MattAnderson111 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:54 am / quote |
jimzer wrote:

that is so not metal... so what if tony uses the name and 'solely' owns it? he doesnt literally own it. ozzy will forver be immortalized as vocalist in the goddam band!!


Ozzy is of course greedy, as all humans are, and just wants more money, no matter what he tells the media.
     
SwamperGene wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:55 am / quote |
lol if Ozzy could win (very doubtful) imagine the precedent it would set. David Lee Roth would be entitled to the Van Halen name, Velvet Revolver could go on tour as GnR....lmao the possibilities are endless.
     
AEnima18 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:57 am / quote |
Yep, this is the nail in the coffin of any classic lineup reunion happening EVER. Just go buy teh Reunion live CD from 1999 and enjoy Dio's work with them.

I've lost a whole tonne of respect for Ozzy, I always thought Iommi was cooler anyway. He was the one who made Sabbath with his riffs and songwriting, Ozzy didn't even write his own lyrics, Geezer did! It's sad that he gets whipped by Sharon into doing this kind of shit.
     
slayaplaya wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:59 am / quote |
-_-
     
destöroyah wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:00 am / quote |
there goes any hope of seeing ozzy sing with black sabbath live again...
     
SnakeSkinner wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:02 am / quote |
I have always said, "Ozzy wouldn't be ANYTHING without his musicians" and now look what he is doing? He blows and will always blow.
     
Gibson_SG_uzr55 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:04 am / quote |
irishman wrote:

That sucks, I wonder if Sharon put Ozzy up to it? Just another way for her to make millions off her husband's success by whoring his image. That said, Ozzy sabbath is a lot better than Dio sabbath, even though Dio kick ass

My thoughts exactly
     
dannydesktop wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:07 am / quote |
So i guess we won't see that album they were talking about making for sure now.
     
Sonny_sam wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:07 am / quote |
ChucklesMginty wrote:

People's whose respect has been lost due to lawsuits:

Axl Rose
Joe Satriani
Ozzy Osbourne
Buckethead
Rick Astley


You forgot Metallica, God they have to be the worst.
     
lpcustom325 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:07 am / quote |
how would Iommi not have the rights and Ozzy have them instead? they kicked Ozzy out of the band, so he lost all rights to them name, Ozzy is grasping at straws here
     
Alec Evans wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:08 am / quote |
Three things Ozzy/Tony should do:
Stop arguing about this
Reform the 70's lineup
Do a UK tour with Iron Maiden & Judas Priest!
     
BornToRun wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:15 am / quote |
This is just lame. Iommi isn't even using the name so who the hell cares about it? Is Ozzie just bored and wanted to get some attention?
     
Jester InFlames wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:20 am / quote |
Alec Evans wrote:

Three things Ozzy/Tony should do:
Stop arguing about this
Reform the 70's lineup
Do a UK tour with Iron Maiden & Judas Priest!

+infinity well said
     
Rimfrost wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:29 am / quote |
How is Ozzy entitled to anything here? He got kicked from the band, and from what i gather it was his own fault
     
skatelover_911 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:30 am / quote |
this is freaking rediculous. this makes ozzy look like a faggot. having a lawsuit out after your old band which revolutionized rock and roll?
     
Judas_rising wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:34 am / quote |
The recession musta hit ozzy as well...looks like even the Prince of Darkness is vulnerable to market forces...XD>
     
ctb wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:36 am / quote |
Sueing people FTL.
     
visiofx wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:41 am / quote |
Sharon brought this shit up thats for sure...I guess we wont be hearing of a original Black Sabbath reunion ever happening anytime in the future...RIP Black Sabbath 1968...why cant everybody just get a long?****.
     
guitarguru1212 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:41 am / quote |
and that kids is the reult of too many hard drugs (:

good singer, bit up himself though tbh
     
guitarguru1212 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:42 am / quote |
*result
     
Filter wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:44 am / quote |
If anything Iommi was the one who really led Black Sabbath to go big too, who can forget that menacing tone?
     
punXander wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:45 am / quote |
great... another misfits and dead kennedys type lawsuit... hey i guess that mean no reunion
     
TwistedLogic wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:47 am / quote |
How dare the pathetic fool launch a suit against Iommi. First off, Sabbath's trade mark/influence on the music industry is based on Iommi's riff's and sound. Secondly, Ozzy did next to nothing in the band except show up to lay down vocal tracks; Geezer wrote the lyrics for the most part. Yes Ozzy has a unique and identifiable voice but that in itself does is not enough to justfy the idea that his voice is largely responsible for Sabbath's success. Add to this that Ozzy was kicked out of the band due to excessive drug use that made it near impossible to continue the band; either Ozzy had to be let go or the band would fold. The prince of darkness is acting more like a court jestor in the kingdom ruled by Sharon.
     
G-loony wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:50 am / quote |
troubletcat wrote:

To the people saying Ozzy has enough money/he's a sellout/wtfwatadik, I'd advise you to read up on this issue a bit more.

/This.

Ozzy isn't trying to take all of Tony's money or osme shit, he's trying to get part ownership (split between all 4 members of Sabbath's best lineup, instead of it just being owned by Tony) of the Sabbath name. As far as I'm concerned they are all part of what 'made' the band, and they all deserve share in ownership of the name.
     
 TheHeartbreaker   m   wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:56 am / quote |
Checked.

I am so tired of money.
     
KnotParkDay wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:56 am / quote |
daytrotter123 wrote:

ChucklesMginty wrote:

People's whose respect has been lost due to lawsuits:

Axl Rose
Joe Satriani
Ozzy Osbourne
Buckethead
Rick Astley

Two questions:
1. When did Buckethead get in a lawsuit?
2. When did Rick Astley have any respect in the first place?


So true.
     
Clabbe wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:56 am / quote |
Iommi is way good ! I think ozzy is quite an ass right now.
     
Clabbe wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:58 am / quote |
Btw Buckethead at court ! i lol'd ! i see him talking to the judge with that mask on his hand !
     
Tordyboi wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:59 am / quote |
Why cant they share?
     
TwistedLogic wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:01 am / quote |
EDIT: SORRY DOUBLE POST:
The issue might be a little clouded here. Ozzy wants to rights to the name Black Sabbath and part of Tony's revenue from this name. It is not like he is asking for access to royalties from songs and merchandise, which he fully deserves, but that he wants access to the name itself, which will generate even more revenue and make it hard for Iommi to tour or record new music under the name, regardless of whether or not Ozzy wants to participate. This is a big part of why the Dio reunion is called heaven and hell. The fact that Ozzy has been reluctant in recent years to record with the band, even though they wanted to, shows that he does not deserve to have it and likely does not want the name for creative purposes but to create more money for himself and prevent others from using it; such as the Rhino records release of Sabbath the dio years.If Ozzy would have owned part of the name that release would have never seen the light of day since he would have vetoed it. It is a total power grab by Ozzy and it stinks.
     
crazy8rgood wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:02 am / quote |
Oh dear...
     
sbinlb wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:02 am / quote |
it should be equall share for everyone of the original members excluding ozzy because his wreckless behavior got him kicked out so he loses his share. i think
     
Rockwave wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:15 am / quote |
Iommi is Black Sabath ... and wtf ?? ozzy what are u ?? iommi make you rich and famous ... omg ...
     
doomsdayscottie wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:15 am / quote |
shredtildeath wrote:

Fuck Ozzy, if it wan't for Iommi, Sabbath, indeed metal wouldn't exist. You can go on about his vocals on the old records, but that's because everyone's used to them, if they had another original vocalist they still would have been huge, since when I listen to Paranoid the greatest thing about it is the riffs not the vocals. And Dio, especially his band ****ing rules.


they wouldnt have gotten anywhere with out a great singer, drummer, or bass player. everyone of the original line up id perfect. Dio is good, but too much power, not enough emotion
     
Kel_the_Gr81 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:16 am / quote |
ModestMelon wrote:

*facepalm*

legal issues are ruining music news now.

yeah
     
One Inch Man wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:18 am / quote |
can't understand why everyone is on iommi's side. i can understand, that it's not okay of ozzy to sue, he could have talk to iommi, but ozyy was an important part of the band and made it famous!
     
jagonzalezs wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:25 am / quote |
ozzy made black sabbath famous because what is the most knowed song of Black Sabbath ..... Paranoid
     
fsertojekantrib wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:27 am / quote |
oh no...sounds like Ozzy needs more money for his drugs...
     
MeGaDeth2314 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:29 am / quote |
It really is all about the money, isn't it? Even for these guys...
     
zimzaderk wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:30 am / quote |
when u leave a band then u lost all rights to it. now thats not law of course but its the way music is the ones who should be able to market it is the band members. ozzy is more succesful but he left and the current black sabbath stayed and tried to make it bigger and bigger because they cared about their band and their fans they didnt bail they kept on and that should buy them the right to the rights, not to mention iommi does own the trademark if ozzy cared enough he should have battled for equal rights when it was an issue not after his old band started new things
     
3dd_bggst_fan wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:33 am / quote |
ModestMelon wrote:

*facepalm*

legal issues are ruining music news now.


dude seriously. crap like this is definately killing music. sure ozzy was the best thing that ever happened to sabbath, but surely this could be settled differently. im tired of filthy musicians and athletes, begging for more money.
     
3dd_bggst_fan wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:35 am / quote |
i meant filthy rich musicians, not filthy musicians /|\
|
     
mo4form wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:36 am / quote |
Hello pointless rants, lame one liners, and endless lists of band members that don't mean anything to anyone.

Music was ruined when it became a stale cartoon and a stupid product where the faceless record company makes twice the money their d**k swinging puppets will ever make. Still, this post surely beats the Guitar Hero: Xtra-Derivative-Poser Edition post. Thanks anonymous editor guy!
     
cmstrike wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:42 am / quote |
This is ridiculous. I can't believe what has become of Ozzy.
     
Dtallica wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:45 am / quote |
Tony should be entitled to do whatever he wants as he is the only member to stay in the band and the money should go to everyone who has ever been in Sabbath
     
Kastöm wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:48 am / quote |
jagonzalezs wrote:

ozzy made black sabbath famous because what is the most knowed song of Black Sabbath ..... Paranoid


are you implying that wasn't a group effort?
     
Paramecium302 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:50 am / quote |
ModestMelon wrote:

*facepalm*

legal issues are ruining music news now.

+1
     
oncetaken wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:03 pm / quote |
ozzy. i love you, but dont get into al this crap.
     
scguitarking927 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:09 pm / quote |
Its not like Ozzy wants sole ownership for himself, he just wants the percentage he deserves for being in the band, which is completely understandable.
     
KALLINZOOOR wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:11 pm / quote |
Ozzy
     
Deece wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:15 pm / quote |
I get the fact he wants his share, but hes wanting 50%? and he probably coulda just asked for iommi to spread it 25% each. But instead hes suing for 50%?

I wouldn't be surprised if Sharon put him up to this after "The Osbourne's" failed.

ModestMelon wrote:

*facepalm*

legal issues are ruining music news now.
     
Ead wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:16 pm / quote |
this is sad, but why the hell did they throw those quotes about Ozzy in there? we've seen it in other UG features already, it has dick all to do with the lawsuit. That's like character defamation or something.
     
stef123 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:17 pm / quote |
It's 1969, the rain is pouring as the thunder crashes down and the bells sound. But that is all that happens...

That's what the intro to Black Sabbath would be like without Iommi.

Iommi is Sabbath.
     
KILL EM ALLx666 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:18 pm / quote |
irishman wrote:

That sucks, I wonder if Sharon put Ozzy up to it? Just another way for her to make millions off her husband's success by whoring his image. That said, Ozzy sabbath is a lot better than Dio sabbath, even though Dio kick ass

i wouldnt doubt it at all that this was sharon's idea. Well so much for the ozzy/sabbath reunion i was hoping for.
     
Nafzger wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:20 pm / quote |
Basically what this boils down to is that Ozzy is pissed that Heaven & Hell are doing so well. He's pissed that his television shows failed. He's pissed that he's losing his place in the spotlight.

It's fairly obvious that he wants partial ownership of the name so HE can tour under the Black Sabbath name.
He'll probably just have his solo band perform as BS and cover all of the classics. That would be my guess anyway.

Black Sabbath is, for all intents and purposes, Geezer and Tony. It's their band. Ozzy is just a singer. He didn't write the music. He didn't even write the lyrics. He is an insignificant cog in the wheel of time. Do you honestly think the band wouldn't have been as successful without him? The riffs wouldn't change, and there are dozens of more talented vocalists who could've filled his spot and wrote their own lyrics, maybe even contributed to the song writing.

Tony Iommi is a gentleman. Instead of touring as Black Sabbath--which he has every right to do--he took the Mob Rules line-up out as Heaven & Hell. He made a clear distinction between the two eras, not only for himself and for the fans, but probably for Ozzy and his fans as well. He wanted to let them know that this was a different Black Sabbath, and quite frankly, a better one.
     
Unlimited wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:23 pm / quote |
without Tonny Ozzy wouldnt have his solo carier, period
     
ewall09 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:26 pm / quote |
this is so beat on.

iommi is one of the greatist guitarists of all time, and you hardly see him in commercials etc. Whereas Ozzy is on TV, has/had his own show, is in WoW commercials...wtf? this really pisses me off.

iommi needs to punch ozzy. right in the teeth.
     
nautiluspfd wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:26 pm / quote |
id just like to point out that from an industry standpoint, the vocal melodies count towards song writing credit, and ozzy wrote all of the melodies in the songs. therefor ozzy legally and technically was a songwriter in sabbath. so any of you saying that ozzy didnt do anything in the band to earn a split of the namesake need to reevaluate your opinion because believe me tony couldnt come up with the catchy melodies of NIB or snowblind
     
drewkilljoy wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:26 pm / quote |
Paramecium302 wrote:

ModestMelon wrote:

*facepalm*

legal issues are ruining music news now.

+1


+2. I mean, seriously. Grow the hell up and just write good music.
     
Lamb of Deth wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:30 pm / quote |
OZZY NO!!! Is it really worth it?
     
guitarsftw wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:39 pm / quote |
this has "Sharon" written all over it...
     
Viking_Swede666 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:40 pm / quote |
wow, wtf Ozzy.

I mean, I already had zero respect for the guy anymore, but this just destroys it.

Oh, and about that statement "ozzy's signature vocals are largely responsible for the band's popularity"

Yeah? well the fact that Tony Iommi got his finger tips cut off which forced him to downtune was the true reason for the popularity of the band, it was different, not many (if not, nobody) had ever done it before in Rockk music.

ozzy needs to get over himself and accept the fact that Dio rapes him left and right.
     
Regression wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:42 pm / quote |
Old Lady wrote:

Oh come on Ozzy, you'd be nothing without Tony, give it up. Bet the Oz wins to and then Sharon can buy some more of those little puppies and be a bitch.

Well, he did have a fairly succesful solo career...

He did rely on Rhoads, Wylde and numerous others for that though..
     
drivenunder4 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:44 pm / quote |
SHARON!!!!! Lol
     
 duncang   m   wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:44 pm / quote |
Checked.
     
Scorge wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:45 pm / quote |
doomsdayscottie wrote:

cliffemall123 wrote:

The Osbourne's new show bombed and I think they are mad that Heaven and Hell is doing so well, so they needed a new way to make some money. Ozzy didn't even think of the name. And if he thinks he deserves some of the right, then don't Geezer and Bill also deserve some of it? Lame. They even decided to not call Heaven and Hell Black Sabbath because they wanted to reunite with Ozzy someday, but I guess he just killed that.

if anyone has actually READ the press release from the Ozzman theyd realize he wants equal partnership for the four of them and didnt mean to step on any toes with this


whatever happened to having a couple of beers with some old friends and a handshake? the trust is gone between these guys which is a shame....what's all this coming to when you having your former friends suing you behind your back? they couldn't have a civil conversation over this issue face-to-face? everyone just needs to take a step back and ask themselves; 'where are they going to end up by being so dettached from each other and the real world?'
it certainly won't be one of their highlights of their lives.
     
Marly Rokkz wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:46 pm / quote |
so not metal....
not metal at all.....
     
Marly Rokkz wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:46 pm / quote |
brutal in a bad way
     
Antonio23 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:48 pm / quote |
Nafzger wrote:

Basically what this boils down to is that Ozzy is pissed that Heaven & Hell are doing so well. He's pissed that his television shows failed. He's pissed that he's losing his place in the spotlight.

It's fairly obvious that he wants partial ownership of the name so HE can tour under the Black Sabbath name.
He'll probably just have his solo band perform as BS and cover all of the classics. That would be my guess anyway.

Black Sabbath is, for all intents and purposes, Geezer and Tony. It's their band. Ozzy is just a singer. He didn't write the music. He didn't even write the lyrics. He is an insignificant cog in the wheel of time. Do you honestly think the band wouldn't have been as successful without him? The riffs wouldn't change, and there are dozens of more talented vocalists who could've filled his spot and wrote their own lyrics, maybe even contributed to the song writing.

Tony Iommi is a gentleman. Instead of touring as Black Sabbath--which he has every right to do--he took the Mob Rules line-up out as Heaven & Hell. He made a clear distinction between the two eras, not only for himself and for the fans, but probably for Ozzy and his fans as well. He wanted to let them know that this was a different Black Sabbath, and quite frankly, a better one.


BS realy is Tony and Geezer.Ozzy sold himself to mtv and i think Dio is a much better singer than Ozzy.
Damn this ownership issues are realy pissing me off right now...
     
DEATHPANDA wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:53 pm / quote |
Man, this has coloured my opinion of Ozzy, what a ****ing cock! I'm going to find it hard to listen to Sabbath now.
     
Nevermind93 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:56 pm / quote |
Another week... another rock star lawsuit...
     
abdulalhazred wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:56 pm / quote |
Alec Evans wrote:

Three things Ozzy/Tony should do:
Stop arguing about this
Reform the 70's lineup
Do a UK tour with Iron Maiden & Judas Priest!


this except instead of a UK tour they tour in maryland for like...10 years and do all free shows.

and...Ozzy isnt demanding the sole rights. he wants all four of them to have equal rights to the Black Sabbath name
     
abdulalhazred wrote on 05/30/2009 - 12:57 pm / quote |
ps. this article isnt really doing ozzy justice. there was one in the pit last night that had ozzy's statement and it was completely reasonable and non-jackassy.
     
maximumrocker wrote on 05/30/2009 - 01:11 pm / quote |
god this is soo stupid

ozzy, tony has more talent then you do he is sabbath...

well w/e i hope that tony wins
     
Matticus_Rex wrote on 05/30/2009 - 01:11 pm / quote |
Ozzy hasn't existed in quite sometime. All we see now is an empty shell of a man that used to rock.
     
Tedward wrote on 05/30/2009 - 01:16 pm / quote |
Iommi put out two ****ing records under Black Sabbath!

but really neither one of them should have the name to themselves only.
     
yaxow wrote on 05/30/2009 - 01:16 pm / quote |
now their will definitely not be a sabbath reunion
     
mikkisaturn wrote on 05/30/2009 - 01:23 pm / quote |
I read a different article about this earlier on another website and it made Ozzy sound much more sympathetic. According to that article, even though this lawsuit aims at giving Ozzy equal ownership (so, 50/50) of the name, Ozzy was quoted as saying that he hoped eventually all 4 of the original members would have equal ownership and that this lawsuit would "move us a step in that direction" and also, the article stated, that Ozzy considers himself the current singer of Black Sabbath, Heaven and Hell being a different entity altogether.
     
Jmoarguitar wrote on 05/30/2009 - 01:26 pm / quote |
thats a little b**** move by ozzy.
     
Keskimaki wrote on 05/30/2009 - 01:28 pm / quote |
Black Sabbath = Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler and the music they wrote.

End of discussion. Ozzy works great for the early (and certainly the best) Sabbath albums, but he never had much effort in penning the songs/lyrics.
     
BSM123456789 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 01:31 pm / quote |
Jester InFlames wrote:

ChucklesMginty wrote:

People's whose respect has been lost due to lawsuits:

Axl Rose
Joe Satriani
Ozzy Osbourne
Buckethead
Rick Astley

What did buckethead do???? It s funny to immagine him at court


haha trudat
     
liam1107 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 01:32 pm / quote |
LAAAAAME!!!!!
     
POWERMETAL! wrote on 05/30/2009 - 01:33 pm / quote |
Iommi is sabbath.. ozzy walked away, Iommi was always there. that being said, this is a ton of b/s. they should just retire the 'black sabbath' name at the risk of ruining a legacy and go on with "ozzy osbourne" and "heaven & hell"
     
Villearreal92 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 01:35 pm / quote |
I smell Sharron in this...Ozzy doesn't really care anymore...i mean, look at Black Rain....
     
Superperfex wrote on 05/30/2009 - 01:37 pm / quote |
POWERMETAL! wrote:

Iommi is sabbath.. ozzy walked away, Iommi was always there. that being said, this is a ton of b/s. they should just retire the 'black sabbath' name at the risk of ruining a legacy and go on with "ozzy osbourne" and "heaven & hell"


A FUCKING MEN BROTHER.

Besides, he has himself to blame. He went on to be a solo artist. It's like saying that your wife is still your wife after the divorce.
     
silent caution wrote on 05/30/2009 - 01:46 pm / quote |
im so sick of ozzy..if i see him in 1 more tv commerical imma go to his house and slap him
     
vash_08 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 01:47 pm / quote |
so i guess the old black sabbath lineup with ozzy on vocals won't be doing a reunion any time soon
     
ricardosevillav wrote on 05/30/2009 - 01:51 pm / quote |
Tony Iommi was, is and will be Black Sabbath... Ozzy is great too I mean is OZZY!
That´s bad news... I like them both
     
cliffemall123 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 01:55 pm / quote |
doomsdayscottie wrote:

cliffemall123 wrote:

The Osbourne's new show bombed and I think they are mad that Heaven and Hell is doing so well, so they needed a new way to make some money. Ozzy didn't even think of the name. And if he thinks he deserves some of the right, then don't Geezer and Bill also deserve some of it? Lame. They even decided to not call Heaven and Hell Black Sabbath because they wanted to reunite with Ozzy someday, but I guess he just killed that.

if anyone has actually READ the press release from the Ozzman theyd realize he wants equal partnership for the four of them and didnt mean to step on any toes with this

I haven't seen the press release though, so I was basing my comment entirely off of this article. This article does come off as a little bias and it kind of make Ozzy looks like an *******, but I'm sure that may not be the case.
     
HH_Emo_666 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 01:58 pm / quote |
so i guess this is the reason behind no Ozzfest this year. instead of making money, ozzy would rather sue for it
     
swyg2 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 01:58 pm / quote |
what a waste of life. just play ****ing music.
     
Hcmanu wrote on 05/30/2009 - 02:11 pm / quote |
Fucking money *****. He didnt write ( or did he ? ) write any music back in BS days. I still think that tommy made the biggest part of sabbath i mean when someone 'sing' iron man does he sing the vocal or sing the guitar ? guitar.
     
zAg1619 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 02:16 pm / quote |
If he cared that much about the name, why the hell did he leave in the first place? This is just sad. You suck Ozzy.
     
Chill 02 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 02:17 pm / quote |
Kastöm wrote:

Did Ozzy forget that Iommi IS Sabbath?


I agree.
     
ozzynator wrote on 05/30/2009 - 02:25 pm / quote |
Guys its not about the ****ing money, you should read the whole story and what Ozzy has to say about this, it was taken from his website www.ozzy.com

OZZY SPEAKS ABOUT BLACK SABBATH TRADEMARK ISSUE

Below is my official press statement on the official Black Sabbath trademark lawsuit. I am very saddened that I've had to take legal action against Tony. This is something that I've tried to avoid for years. I am not Geezer or Bill's voice. However, till the day I die I will not change my mind on this issue. The Black Sabbath trademark should be equally owned by Geezer, Bill, Tony and I as the true Black Sabbath lineup is Tony, Geezer, Bill and I. We've all been mates since school. I've always said there is an invisible thread that holds us together. Tony, lets get this ridiculous issue sorted and move on with our lives. You're 61, I'm 60. I hope that we've got a good 20 years left in us. But if not, God forbid something happens to you. What's going to happen to the Black Sabbath trademark? Who's going to oversee it? Don't you think after we're long gone the rights should stay in your family, my family, Bill's family and Geezer's family?

Statement from OZZY OSBOURNE:

"It is with great regret that I had to resort to legal action against my long term partner, Tony Iommi, but after three years of trying to resolve this issue amicably, I feel I have no other recourse. As of the mid-1990's, after constant and numerous changes in band members, the brand of 'Black Sabbath' was literally in the toilet and Tony Iommi (touring under the name Black Sabbath) was reduced to performing in clubs. Since 1997 when Geezer, Bill and myself rejoined the band, Black Sabbath has returned to its former glory as we headlined sold-out arenas and amphitheatres playing to upwards of 50,000 people at each show around the world. We worked collectively to restore credibility and bring dignity back to the name 'Black Sabbath' which lead to the band being inducted into the UK and US Rock & Roll Hall of Fames in 2005 and 2006, respectively. Throughout the last 12 years, it was my management representatives who oversaw the marketing and quality control of the 'Black Sabbath' brand through OZZFEST, touring, merchandising and album reissues. The name 'Black Sabbath' now has a worldwide prestige and merchandising value that it would not have had by continuing on the road it was on prior to the 1997 reunion tour. Tony, I am so sorry it's had to get to this point by me having to take this action against you. I don't have the right to speak for Geezer and Bill, but I feel that morally and ethically the trademark should be owned by the four of us equally. I hope that by me taking this first step that it will ultimately end up that way. We've all worked too hard and long in our careers to allow you to sell merchandise that features all our faces, old Black Sabbath album covers and band logos, and then you tell us that you own the copyright. We're all in our 60's now. The Black Sabbath legacy should live on long after we have all gone. Please do the right thing."
     
Religulous wrote on 05/30/2009 - 02:26 pm / quote |
What the hell is this!?
     
c-rob6422 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 02:32 pm / quote |
ozzy's a ****in dickhead to do this. who came up with the most awesome doom laden riffs that started heavy metal? tony. who wrote the lyrics? not ozzy. i also reckon that ozzy should own the name 25 %, same as tony, bill, geezer. so that if 75 % ownership watned to use it than they could, without trouble from the 25%. ozzy's a ****ing druggie and should go back to drugs because he might hopefully kill himself then sharon would be gone forever.

pathetic.
     
zAg1619 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 02:34 pm / quote |
zAg1619 wrote:

If he cared that much about the name, why'd he get his ass fired in the first place? This is just sad. You suck Ozzy.

fixed, this is whyi shouldnt drink so early
     
Nafzger wrote on 05/30/2009 - 02:34 pm / quote |
Yeah but he wants 50% between he and Tony now. Why not team up with Ward and Butler and come to an out of court agreement on a four way split, instead of doing it in halves now?

Here's why, he's full of ****. If he were genuine about this "it should be credited to the four of us" mantra, he would demand to have 25% of the rights to the name, not 50%
     
Chaingarden wrote on 05/30/2009 - 02:36 pm / quote |
Okay, let's be fair. Tony Iommi did a lot for guitar playing and heavy metal. He basically engineered a new style of guitar music. That being said, Black Sabbath is Ozzy. When Ozzy went solo after Sabbath, he went on to enjoy massive success with the likes of Randy, Jake E Lee, and Zakk. Black Sabbath was all but forgotten. I don't think your average person could even name one post-Ozzy Sabbath song.

You guys have to remember that being in a band is a business. It's nice to have the idealistic vision that "it's not about the money, man" but when it comes down to it, it is about the money. When music is what you do, and bills are coming in the mail, it's absolutely about the money. Now does Ozzy NEED more money than he already has? No. But can anyone here honestly say they NEED everything they have? I can tell you no by virtue of the fact that you're accessing a computer to get to this site. When it comes down to it, it's all relative. The poor guy living on the streets of Detroit probably looks at the amount of money most people here have and thinks it's decadence. I think this lawsuit is a little frivolous, but if Ozzy wants to get into it, what the ****, more power to him. Tony Iommi's rolling in cash, too.
     
Fender6 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 02:37 pm / quote |
Ozzy.....what the hell are you thinking?
     
PcaKes wrote on 05/30/2009 - 02:42 pm / quote |
Is it just me, or does it seem like Ozzy's declining? He's getting up there in age, no Ozzfest this year ( I know it's cause of the alum but still) and now this. It's total BS what he's doing. He was fired so obviously the rest of the band keeps the name. I WAS going to buy his new album when it came out, but now I'm not so sure.
     
billybob321 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 02:44 pm / quote |
Tedward wrote:

Iommi put out two ****ing records under Black Sabbath!

but really neither one of them should have the name to themselves only.

Actually he put out every "****ing record" under Black Sabbath. At some points in Sabbath he was the only member, like Headless Cross, great album.
     
MooshMooshMarc wrote on 05/30/2009 - 02:46 pm / quote |
ozzy looks a bit like my nutsack in the front page photo
     
billybob321 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 02:47 pm / quote |
i meant only original member
     
X-face wrote on 05/30/2009 - 02:55 pm / quote |
Conspiracy: Sharon Osbourne is behind this.
     
Spaz91 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 03:09 pm / quote |
Much as I hate to takes sides, Tony Iommi [i]is[/is] Black Sabbath. Ozzy left, technically he was fired but it was through his own actions. Iommi is the sole constant member of Sabbath, the only one who hasn't relinquished the right to the name.
     
randymeeks81 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 03:09 pm / quote |
legal battles ruin bands.
     
zAg1619 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 03:14 pm / quote |
Upon further inspection of other articles on other sites, I retract what I said about Ozzy. This news report here is so incredibly biased. Did anyone at UG learn anything about journalism before posting stories like this? It is supposed to be unbiased, and this obviously makes Ozzy look like the *******. Great job reporting your bias UG.
     
adam1451 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 03:20 pm / quote |
Spaz91 :
Much as I hate to takes sides, Tony Iommi [i]is[/is] Black Sabbath. Ozzy left, technically he was fired but it was through his own actions. Iommi is the sole constant member of Sabbath, the only one who hasn't relinquished the right to the name.


Correct. Iommi has lasted decades longer than Ozzy did in black Sabbath, even though there peak in there carrer was with Ozzy, that doesnt mean shit! Iommi wrote the songs.
     
Facebones wrote on 05/30/2009 - 03:20 pm / quote |
F**K you Ozzy! Your just living in your stupid house making stupid World of Warcraft commercials while the real musicians from Black Sabbath are actually doing something.
     
szekelymihai wrote on 05/30/2009 - 03:22 pm / quote |
that's pathetic. Ego's are ruining the people
     
daytona2134 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 03:23 pm / quote |
@ozzynator do you really think that ozzy said all that? he cant even hardly talk and probly cant even wipe his own ass, its his bitch dikey looking wife that wants even more money
     
nachtbericht wrote on 05/30/2009 - 03:34 pm / quote |
most stupid thing ozzy has done.
     
strmthecitadel wrote on 05/30/2009 - 03:35 pm / quote |
What bullcrap, ozzy is a terrible singer. Iommi's riffs are what made sabbath happen. I'd like to see Ronnie James Dio punch Ozzy right in the nose. Ozzy just needs more money after his terrible tv show got cancelled after 1 show.
     
The Funkshake wrote on 05/30/2009 - 03:43 pm / quote |
f***in ozzy osbourne really gets to me, you can tell he's doing it for the money, after all he's doing world of warcraft adverts ffs, and his voice was the only annoyin part of black sabbath, sort it out man
     
LoadThe6pounder wrote on 05/30/2009 - 03:50 pm / quote |
Okay, i'm getting really sick of Ozzy's bullshit.

Dear Ozzy, Sabbath ditched you and went on to make better music because of it. You hire talented studio musicians to make albums FOR you, star in slap-dash reality shows, which both bombed. Grow up. And to your lovely wife... there are more important things than your reputation and money.

Just needed to get that off my chest...
     
atkm2891 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 04:06 pm / quote |
Ozzy's too dumb to pull this off. It was definetely Sharon.
     
ironmaidenfan17 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 04:17 pm / quote |
idk why the bands new name is heaven and hell
     
beastregards wrote on 05/30/2009 - 04:27 pm / quote |
why the hell is Ozzy just making a deal of this now?

SABBATH continued long after Ozzy got fired in '79 and after that continued to bring out 20 years worth of material without him being in the band. So on the scale of things Ozzy is nothing. The thing about Ozzy's vocals being a reason for their success really made me laugh but.
     
xcmasta91 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 04:29 pm / quote |
The Manhattan federal court suit also charges that Osbourne's "signature lead vocals" are largely responsible for the band's "extraordinary success,"

more like shitty lead vocals but anyway i do think it was sharon because ozzy is way too dumb and drugged out to actually sue someone
     
Frodijr wrote on 05/30/2009 - 04:36 pm / quote |
so much for a black sabbath reunion, and why is ozzy making enemies, doesnt he have enough with the pmrc, the goverment and all the bloody christian groups
     
SharpObject wrote on 05/30/2009 - 04:39 pm / quote |
Oh man....this is so hard to read. I'll bet this is all Sharon, or at least most.
A lot of people on here are right, it pretty much IS Tony Iommis' band...I mean, he started it, he directed it, he stuck with it.
I guess I can REALLY forget about an original lineup reunion now..
     
Force Reaver wrote on 05/30/2009 - 04:42 pm / quote |
People dont know their ass from a hole in the ground. Ozzy made sabbath back in the day because of his awesome stage presence and getting crowds involved. And while Iommi might have written some amazing riffs the man was practically a twig back in old shows. Watch any old footage cause tony just sits there with no emotion what so ever. Yea he has gotten better about that thing now but dont tell me it was all his riffs and him that made sabbath. Because if that were the case all the shitty dio albums would have sold like gangbusters. As much as we dont want to admit it a lead singer is what makes and sells a band "provided" he is backed up with the right musicians. Vocals are what you hold onto in a song. Queen is Freddy, Alice in Chains is Layne, Red Hot Chili Peppers is Anthony,Zep is Plant, and System of A Down Is Serj. Yes Ozzy may have not written the lyrics to many songs but tell me what you hear when you listen to Iron Man in your head. Sure Tonys guitar is distinct and a strong focus but Ozzys voice is the only voice you hear when you think of the lyrics no one elses. And thats what made the sabbath songs radio hits. Because if it wasnt for the catchy voice backing the guitar the songs would have been just some technical bastard soloing and wanking on the guitar for 5 mins and no one wanted to hear that back then. And yes Ozzy is asking for allot of money and rights but lets be fair cause Iommi is asking for three times the amount from merchandise so they both being semi greedy ****s.
     
Zeerion wrote on 05/30/2009 - 04:51 pm / quote |
ozzy suing someone is like bill gates suing someone. you have so much money you could use some as toilet paper. why do you need more?
     
zAg1619 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 04:56 pm / quote |
daytona2134 wrote:

@ozzynator do you really think that ozzy said all that? he cant even hardly talk and probly cant even wipe his own ass, its his bitch dikey looking wife that wants even more money

You serious dude? When is the last time you saw Ozzy? Cuz I saw him 08 and he was just fine. Sounds like last time you saw Ozzy was on "The Osbournes" show... He aint near that bad anymore dude...
     
greenmanalishi wrote on 05/30/2009 - 05:23 pm / quote |
oh come on, tony and geezer wrote most of the songs for sabbath when ozzy was in the band, ozzy also did not name the band so what rights does he have to the name. i have a feeling that this is not ozzy but sharon trying to get more money for plastic surgery and shopping.
     
MCRkid22 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 05:23 pm / quote |
WHAT THE FUCK OZZY?!?!?

That's total backstabbing brother, I don't care if your wife convinced you, or if you did it yourself. Point is, you still signed something saying that it was ok, and that's not ok.
     
Metaljocker wrote on 05/30/2009 - 05:26 pm / quote |
this means could mean problems and even a permanet break up with ozzy

SHIT!
     
daytona2134 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 05:31 pm / quote |
"And while Iommi might have written some amazing riffs" whats he supposed do sing to hiself in the shower?
     
tands wrote on 05/30/2009 - 05:32 pm / quote |
ModestMelon wrote:

*facepalm*

legal issues are ruining music news now.

legal issues are music news now ...
     
theotherguy7145 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 05:33 pm / quote |
NOOOOO. Both bands were doing so well without this mess! Why did Sharon (I'll bet she's pushed this on), have to do this!

Why can't it just be about the music? Neither need more money, so can't they just keep going as they are WITHOUT the legal bullshit?

Severely disappointed
     
lilscooter11 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 05:48 pm / quote |
Ozzy is a tight miserable bastard basically. On the topic of the song writing Never Say Die is the best case in point, edging his way back in. There's reason why Dio is a God (both by name and legendary status) and Ozzy is a has been, and not just thanks to MTV either.
     
HellrzngPinhead wrote on 05/30/2009 - 05:50 pm / quote |
They got the headline wrong

Should say "Sharon sues Iommi over Black Sabbath name."
     
poona wrote on 05/30/2009 - 05:50 pm / quote |
Damn, Ozzy and Tony never stop arguing...
     
Jester InFlames wrote on 05/30/2009 - 05:50 pm / quote |
i think the news should be presented: Assholery: The princess ov process sues friend under wive's pressure
     
Wolfsblood138 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 05:52 pm / quote |
Even though I liked Sabbath more with Ozzy, he (Ozzy) fails for this.
     
venomouskiss320 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 05:52 pm / quote |
hahaa you all forgot taht Ozzy had little to do with this, Ozzy is the Physical evidence, and when it comes to paperwork and thought, its all Sharon, give ozzy a break, hes usually too drunk or too out of it to even think to sue Iommi
     
loganpwns wrote on 05/30/2009 - 05:54 pm / quote |
poor Tony, Ozzy will do anything to get in the news these days, Tony is just another victim of Ozzy realizing his music isn't good anymore so he tries to take it out on other people.

such a shame...
     
TonyKellogg55 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 05:57 pm / quote |
And wait, this is the same guy who's reading the teleprompter through purple glasses, pushing a cell phone? Exactly. Pathetic.

Grace Slick had it right when she said that Sixties comeback tours are baloney because they were all singing about a revolution, and that fell through, so now they have to sell themselves out for money.

Sorry, this is all pretty much a joke anymore.
     
MasterExploder0 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 06:03 pm / quote |
I don't think Ozzy wrote the riff that every kid who ever learned guitar wanted to learn first.
     
BIGD2 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 06:10 pm / quote |
Ozzy's voice makes nut's shrink!! (So doe Dio!) Sharon is a greedy bitch!! Tony is the riffmeister!! AND....who?? Takes this seriously??

     
MGB2 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 06:12 pm / quote |
As if Ozzy needs more money, thats retarded
     
angusisgod55 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 06:15 pm / quote |
god its just a name why does it matter, everyone knows they were all in it so what difference does it make if they own the name or not. I find this completely pointless.
     
RockInPeaceDime wrote on 05/30/2009 - 06:19 pm / quote |
He deserves a portion, nuff said.
     
Alec Evans wrote on 05/30/2009 - 06:23 pm / quote |
Ozzy & Tony should do the following:
-Settle their argument
-Reform original Sabbath lineup
-Do a UK Tour with Maiden and Priest!!!
     
weve wrote on 05/30/2009 - 06:25 pm / quote |
Im a big fan of early Sabbath but the Dio years are by far the best, as far as vocals. Iommi is the sound of Sabbath not Ozzy. Ozzy is strictly Sharons puppet. We are already know how vindictive she is (Iron Maiden) and now Iommi is doing well if not better than Ozzy, Sharon is on the warpath. Please, someonekill Sharon and let Ozzy die in peace. The last 4 times I saw Ozzy, he hobbled around the stage mumbling songs, Heaven and Hell was great, especially when touring with Megadeth, Love Uncle Dave.
     
Brad_Bassist wrote on 05/30/2009 - 06:49 pm / quote |
irishman wrote:

That sucks, I wonder if Sharon put Ozzy up to it? Just another way for her to make millions off her husband's success by whoring his image. That said, Ozzy sabbath is a lot better than Dio sabbath, even though Dio kick ass

I think she did. I think Ozzy doesn't care if he uses Sabbaths name or anything because he has his own band.
     
Metal Onslaught wrote on 05/30/2009 - 06:51 pm / quote |
Pretty sad shit right here my friends. Iommi ftw!
     
uberphreak wrote on 05/30/2009 - 06:53 pm / quote |
doomsdayscottie wrote:

cliffemall123 wrote:

The Osbourne's new show bombed and I think they are mad that Heaven and Hell is doing so well, so they needed a new way to make some money. Ozzy didn't even think of the name. And if he thinks he deserves some of the right, then don't Geezer and Bill also deserve some of it? Lame. They even decided to not call Heaven and Hell Black Sabbath because they wanted to reunite with Ozzy someday, but I guess he just killed that.

if anyone has actually READ the press release from the Ozzman theyd realize he wants equal partnership for the four of them and didnt mean to step on any toes with this


This. Now everyone stfu.
     
Gexzilla wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:04 pm / quote |
That's just so uncool. Suing some web site for pirating music is bad enough, but suing your ex-bandmate is just unthinkable.
     
AA00P wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:21 pm / quote |
A sad, sad day for music.
     
Xanadu_ROCK wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:22 pm / quote |
the fact that there is no quote from ozzy in this news flash confirms that sharon put him up to this. Ozzy himself truly doesn't care anymore: he's so stoned out of his mind to do anything but sing
     
din_blix wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:23 pm / quote |
Ozzy seriously over estemates his role in the success of black sabbath, ozzys vocal work on the early BS records is terrible. I wish Dio was always with BS and that ozzy never existed, His continued selling out is sickining, and ALL his TV shows suck (remember when MTV was about music? strange consept right?) He should STFU and continue making commericals. Im 100% Iommi on this one.
     
Xanadu_ROCK wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:24 pm / quote |
The Manhattan federal court suit also charges that Osbourne's "signature lead vocals" are largely responsible for the band's "extraordinary success,"


Honestly, the ONLY reason why Ozzy's solo career tarted off was because of Randy Rhoads' incredibly innovative guitar playing. Ozzy's lyrics by themselves are bit dull. And following Randy's death, Ozzy had the privilege of surrounding himself with insanely good musicians
     
fhqwgads wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:43 pm / quote |
from what I understand, all Ozzy did was sing the stuff they wrote him (and played harmonica once.) Saying his "signature lead vocals" are largely responsible for the band's "extraordinary success" is such a load. The band just went a different direction with Dio, and his solo career was all about Randy Rhoads. With that being said, he was still part of the band, even though he was fired from it, so it makes sense that he get some of the money.
     
rhoadrunner wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:50 pm / quote |
if somone made a car all by himself, should the company that makes the tires for it sue him for custody of the car because without tires he couldnt drive it

for those of you who dont get metaphloors, ozzy is like the company that makes tires and iommi is like the maker of the car

(arent my gay ass metaphloors deep)
     
 Lemoninfluence   m   wrote on 05/30/2009 - 07:57 pm / quote |
the reason he's trying to get 50% instead of 25 is because if he only had 25 percent Iommi would still have total control over it, and that's what he opposes. It's all Iommi now and while he's the main songwriter he wasn't the only band member.

Checked
     
 Lemoninfluence   m   wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:04 pm / quote |
rhoadrunner wrote:

if somone made a car all by himself, should the company that makes the tires for it sue him for custody of the car because without tires he couldnt drive it


if the tire used had a specific design (e.g. a specific bolt set) which meant that only that tire really worked with the car then they'd be entitled to something.

a better metaphor would be 'should an investor get something back from investing in an invention?'

yeah, they didn't have the idea themselves, but without them putting in that effort the invention wouldn't have been mass produced or marketed.
     
guitargodgary13 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:08 pm / quote |
daytrotter123 wrote:

ChucklesMginty wrote:

People's whose respect has been lost due to lawsuits:

Axl Rose
Joe Satriani
Ozzy Osbourne
Buckethead
Rick Astley

Two questions:
1. When did Buckethead get in a lawsuit?
2. When did Rick Astley have any respect in the first place?


lol. This "extroaordinary success" didn't just consist of Ozzy. He played a major part in it BUT Tony Iommi some really awesome riffs.
     
rockingamer2 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:13 pm / quote |
1. Ozzy left Sabbath. Now he's claiming rights?

2. Tony was a bigger part of Sabbath's sound than Ozzy.
     
jrcsgtpeppers wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:13 pm / quote |
I can't stand ozzy. He can't sing for anything now. He can't write anything either anymore.

Zakk should ditch him.
Toni Iomi should not be sued at all.

Buckethead? What did he ever do? Haha he is so cool!!!
     
TheTortured wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:31 pm / quote |
bullshit. tony was a bigger part of sabbath than ozzy ever was.
     
Shamanic Rhythm wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:47 pm / quote |
Oh you guys never cease to amuse me.

I love all the conspiracy theorists: "ZOMG SHARON TOTEZ BEHIND DIS".
     
RockGuitar92 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:50 pm / quote |
They all need to grow up for ****s sake. Butler is all butt hurt about what Ozzy used to be like and all Iommi and him are doing are talking shit about Ozzy. Ozzy is acting like an ass too.
     
Duality Ninja wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:52 pm / quote |
Silly Ozzy. You left Sabbath. What are you doing suing Tony? Get done from there...
     
SwamperGene wrote on 05/30/2009 - 08:57 pm / quote |
To say that Sabbath wouldn't exist if not for Ozzy is pure conjecture, and in fact in 1980 Iommi proved that Black Sabbath was marketable under his direction and without Ozzy. Plenty of folks would argue that Sabbath improved in Ozzy's absence.

Regardless, all this drivel about the legend behind the band is pointless, this is a trademark issue which applies to the current marketable state of the name, not who or what made the band famous. Iommi was smart enough to trademark it, and given it was issued the ball is already in his court. In essence, Ozzy has to convince the USPTO that they were idiots for issuing it in the first place. Ozzy has a lot on the line here, if he loses, Iommi could go apesh*t on him and legally prevent Ozzy from using the Sabbath brand ever again (well, as long as he owns the TM).
     
McMullen20 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:04 pm / quote |
I say that they just shut up and write music... i like ozzy and i dont agree that the success rate dropped after he left... Dio did an awesome job. if it want for people like rhoads and bob daisley ozzy wouldnt have even had a solo career... they both need to drop it i say... money isnt everything...
     
sayhi666sal wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:23 pm / quote |
i thought it would have happened like a the beatles a long time ago

oh well... no reunion
     
HammettFTW wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:25 pm / quote |
Duality Ninja wrote:

Silly Ozzy. You left Sabbath. What are you doing suing Tony? Get done from there...
lol i assume you meant down noe done. but lulz anyway
     
Kankuro1 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:26 pm / quote |
1. If you read the interview with Ozzy, he said that instead of it being 50/50 between him and Iommi he wants it to be 25/25/25/25 between the four of them. So stop bitching that he is selfish.

2. These guys aren't going to hate each other. This is just Sharon whoring Ozzy out again. He's just to ****ed up from the drugs to realize that. The other guys from Sabbath know that. They will still be friends and tour together until Ozzy realizes he married a controlling physco and kills himself so she can't tarnish his image any more.
     
THRASH-MASTER94 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:28 pm / quote |
OSBOURNE FOR THE FUCKIN' WIN!!!
     
Slash181 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:32 pm / quote |
EternalDivide wrote:

But I think the level of success should speak for itself. Ozzy continued on to a huge solo career and some of the finest musicians in the world sought to share the stage with him ie: Randy Rhoades, Zakk Wylde. These are two of the biggest ones but believe me the list goes on and on.


Ozzy made a name for himself outside of Sabbath too. what did these other guys do? Seriously now.. any singer they tried to replace Ozzy with failed and miserabely. Heaven and Hell? FAIL DIO? FAIL Black Sabbath with any other singer?


Now im sorry, u here sir are stupid. the list goes on... ha.
randy roads
Zakk wylde
was the only decent amazing people that have played 'WITH' ozzy in any solo work or projects outside Black sabbath.
Black sabbath on the other hand, lets take the Forbidden cross album with Tony Martin, ****in great album and personaly DIO and Tony Martin both have better, more reliable voices and presence around the band not being a let down. As much as i love ozzy in the way of rock god status but thats all weve ever known.....' the prince of darkness' I mean FFS he's resorting to advertisements of World of Warcraft, he gets told n munipulated what to do by sharon and this is true as sharon was taken to court but im not sure what the results was. Obviously sharon has alot on ozzy from past n possibly future.
At the end of the day, you shot the gun n stated something completely false.
In respect and quick words, DIO will always have a better more reliable voice which is needed....im i over state this 'WHICH IS NEEDED' in the music industry in the 60's, 70's, 80's and even now which i can see from Iommi's point of view, it must be ****in frustrating workin with someone who can be a complete let down which 1) lets down the customers paying at the festivals 2)lets down the festival organisers making them rush around 3) letting the pr and record companys pissed off as they are losing money through sale of albums, merchandise and any other profit they may recieve 3) piss off the surrounding artists and band members and this is from another musicians point of view, i wish people would see the facts and think....well they both have money to last em a life... why would Iommi be the one saying crap like this if it wasnt true. ive not heard much from ozzy's side yet....just that hes takin iommi to court....untill proven guilty my side is with Iommi....
     
ChucklesMginty wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:35 pm / quote |
In response to my first post, the people not underlined are people who were supposedly gonna lose respect XD it was a joke I didn't make clear.
     
rr623 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:46 pm / quote |
sueing tony iommi wtf he invented black sabbath,and ozzy has his solo stuff why does he care ?!!
     
Slash181 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:53 pm / quote |
ChucklesMginty wrote:

In response to my first post, the people not underlined are people who were supposedly gonna lose respect XD it was a joke I didn't make clear.


Joe satriani in that list.....hmm i seriously would consider that lol
after all it was cat stevens 'riff' if u wanna call it that, then i sppose satriani played a version of it but obviously stevens was cool with the fact of him playin that then Coldplay....i dont even need to explain this. And they denie it, why lie? lol
     
rocking bassist wrote on 05/30/2009 - 09:59 pm / quote |
I'd hazard a guess that more than 50% of people who have posted here didn't read the damn article.
     
achaneygtp wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:36 pm / quote |
Wait a sec ozzy cant sue cause he got kicked out of sabbath so he isn't sabbath... thats like dave mustaine sueing metallica for sale increases...

ozzy just needs to back off.. hes got enough money.

Hope his new album doesn't sell
     
Fender6 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:39 pm / quote |
HammettFTW wrote:

lockdown91 wrote:

why don't they send all those money to third world countries? They need it more than Ozzy. so tru, the last person i would want my mony to go to is ozzy. tony was the rieal guy behind sabbath and randy was the real guy behind ozzy (yea, i kno, in his own solo band).


Axe Samurai wrote:

"signature lead vocals" are largely responsible for the band's "extraordinary success,"

possibly a bit true....but, those "signature vocals" would've got NOWHERE, if Tony Iommi hadn't wrote those monster riffs that we've all come to love..

That famous proverb/saying or whatever comes to mind for me "It Takes 2 To Tango", Ozzy was nothing without the other members and the same the other way around, so this whole thing is PATHETIC! (even more so because he simply doesn't need that money)


I heard that quote on "Billy Madison". LOL
     
StratStar21 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:40 pm / quote |
rocking bassist wrote:

I'd hazard a guess that more than 50% of people who have posted here didn't read the damn article.


^probably, it seems to me Ozzy is just doing this for kicks cause he's bored, otherwise why wait all these years? just so Tony would have more money for him to try to get? Ozzy doesnt seem like that kinda guy to me.
     
cjhoubre wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:44 pm / quote |
Vauxite wrote:

Typical nowadays..

As if Ozzy needs any more money, if he stopped all his income right now, he'd EASILY be able to live out the rest of his life, quite well, with the money he has.

Pathetic.


he could live well, his kids would live well, his grandkids would live well, his great grand kids would live pretty good.
he has enough cash!
*facepalm*
     
xophrax wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:47 pm / quote |
They were ALL the band, so why should ozzy think he can just go and say he's the band? Even the bassist has a say so haha. But really, Tony is a HUGE part of the band, and yeah ill admit Ozzzzzy is too.
     
xophrax wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:49 pm / quote |
Typical nowadays..

As if Ozzy needs any more money, if he stopped all his income right now, he'd EASILY be able to live out the rest of his life, quite well, with the money he has.

Pathetic.


How do you know he hasnt blown all of his money?
     
Crazylegs11 wrote on 05/30/2009 - 10:57 pm / quote |
Pop culture in the world now adays has just become so inflated. Ozzy left the band years ago and he now wants to have a piece of it. He's been doing just fine on his own and there is no need for him to cause such a big stink about who owns the band. Just like Iommi didn't need to get involved in that merchandise deal. They both have plenty of money and don't need to resort to something as low as sueing fellow musicians to get more.
     
Cannibal Koala wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:14 pm / quote |
Kankuro1 wrote:

1. If you read the interview with Ozzy, he said that instead of it being 50/50 between him and Iommi he wants it to be 25/25/25/25 between the four of them. So stop bitching that he is selfish.

2. These guys aren't going to hate each other. This is just Sharon whoring Ozzy out again. He's just to ****ed up from the drugs to realize that. The other guys from Sabbath know that. They will still be friends and tour together until Ozzy realizes he married a controlling physco and kills himself so she can't tarnish his image any more.

'Nuff said bro.
     
jthm_guitarist wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:22 pm / quote |
Hahahahahaha I thought everyone knew Black Sabbath is Tony Iommi!

Ozzy only made 8 albums with them and got rich and famous, but Tony stuck in there and made Sabbath EPIC. He deserves rights to the name because... well he IS Black Sabbath!
     
kill it wrote on 05/30/2009 - 11:50 pm / quote |
this is sad. ozzy sucks, his new music sucks, and his tv shows suck. just go away and let the real musicians in sabbath do their thing. guaranteed his new album will blow.

what a brain dead old noob.
     
visiofx wrote on 05/31/2009 - 12:15 am / quote |
Whatever Ozzy! you know well its still 75% original Black Sabbath lineup...Iommi has all rights to do whatever he wants with the name,hes responsible for the core Sabbath sound...without Iommi..heavy metal sabbathesque riffs wouldnt exist....thered be no metallica,pantera and the likes...Ozzys vocals are replaceable tho hes vocals sound best compared to Dio.Bottomline...Iommi invented the sound we know as Heavy Metal.
     
JuiceMogly wrote on 05/31/2009 - 12:39 am / quote |
doomsdayscottie wrote:

cliffemall123 wrote:

The Osbourne's new show bombed and I think they are mad that Heaven and Hell is doing so well, so they needed a new way to make some money. Ozzy didn't even think of the name. And if he thinks he deserves some of the right, then don't Geezer and Bill also deserve some of it? Lame. They even decided to not call Heaven and Hell Black Sabbath because they wanted to reunite with Ozzy someday, but I guess he just killed that.

if anyone has actually READ the press release from the Ozzman theyd realize he wants equal partnership for the four of them and didnt mean to step on any toes with this


Yeah.
     
jagonzalezs wrote on 05/31/2009 - 12:59 am / quote |
Kastöm wrote:

jagonzalezs wrote:

ozzy made black sabbath famous because what is the most knowed song of Black Sabbath ..... Paranoid

are you implying that wasn't a group effort?


NO BUT I SAY THAT OZZY MADE THAT SONG
     
b-rock34 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 01:22 am / quote |
Does Ozzy even know he was in a band called Black Sabbath?
     
a7xf@n43v3r wrote on 05/31/2009 - 02:05 am / quote |
this is a shame and just pathetic
     
Vedicardi wrote on 05/31/2009 - 02:20 am / quote |
SnakeSkinner wrote:

I have always said, "Ozzy wouldn't be ANYTHING without his musicians" and now look what he is doing? He blows and will always blow.


Mhm
     
maowcat wrote on 05/31/2009 - 02:52 am / quote |
Kastöm wrote:

Did Ozzy forget that Iommi IS Sabbath?


Yeah, with out iommi there would be no metal, but i'm glad there was an ozzy because there wouldn't have been a randy, and randy is my favourite guitarist of all time, but yeah ozzy is being a little shit face.
     
Led-Zep wrote on 05/31/2009 - 02:55 am / quote |
Force Reaver wrote:

People dont know their ass from a hole in the ground. Ozzy made sabbath back in the day because of his awesome stage presence and getting crowds involved. And while Iommi might have written some amazing riffs the man was practically a twig back in old shows. Watch any old footage cause tony just sits there with no emotion what so ever. Yea he has gotten better about that thing now but dont tell me it was all his riffs and him that made sabbath. Because if that were the case all the shitty dio albums would have sold like gangbusters. As much as we dont want to admit it a lead singer is what makes and sells a band "provided" he is backed up with the right musicians. Vocals are what you hold onto in a song. Queen is Freddy, Alice in Chains is Layne, Red Hot Chili Peppers is Anthony,Zep is Plant, and System of A Down Is Serj. Yes Ozzy may have not written the lyrics to many songs but tell me what you hear when you listen to Iron Man in your head. Sure Tonys guitar is distinct and a strong focus but Ozzys voice is the only voice you hear when you think of the lyrics no one elses. And thats what made the sabbath songs radio hits. Because if it wasnt for the catchy voice backing the guitar the songs would have been just some technical bastard soloing and wanking on the guitar for 5 mins and no one wanted to hear that back then. And yes Ozzy is asking for allot of money and rights but lets be fair cause Iommi is asking for three times the amount from merchandise so they both being semi greedy ****s.


What BS. Electric guitar is the icon of rock music. Make someone "sing" ironman, stairway, or smoke on the water. What will the sing? The guitar riff.
Led Zep is Page
Van Halen is Eddie
RHCP is Flea/Frusciante
but i'll have to admit that Queen is Mercury...
     
gxz wrote on 05/31/2009 - 03:04 am / quote |
why the hell does ozzy give a shit? its not like he needs the money
     
metalgirl0 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 03:04 am / quote |
wtf Iommi deserves the Black Sabbath name as much as Ozzy does
     
Lethal Dosage wrote on 05/31/2009 - 03:14 am / quote |
m1dnight wrote:

You lot should grow up. Ozzy has a right to that money. Im fairly sure if any of you were in his situation you wouldnt hessitate to take legal action if someone had cut you off from something you had a right too.


This

Lets say you sing for a band. You have a very distinct style of singing and the band becomes famous with you fronting it. Wouldnt you want some of the money from songs you recorded and sang live? He has a right to it most if not all of the most memorable sabbath tunes have ozzy fronting the band when the song was recorded.
     
pinheadslts75 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 03:24 am / quote |
Oh why should we care?

Black Sabbath stopped making music around 1976. They kept releasing albums until 1996.

Osbourne has a similar record.

Sabbath and Osbourne are overdue to fade into the history books
     
lp1gmoney wrote on 05/31/2009 - 03:28 am / quote |
jthm_guitarist wrote:

Hahahahahaha I thought everyone knew Black Sabbath is Tony Iommi!

Ozzy only made 8 albums with them and got rich and famous, but Tony stuck in there and made Sabbath EPIC. He deserves rights to the name because... well he IS Black Sabbath!


Yea, "only" 8 albums. Thats almost as many as Metallica has. Ozzy has just as much right to the name as Iommi or any other member of that band. Ozzy isn't suing for complete ownership, or even half. Ozzy wants equal ownership of the name between all of the members. If any of you people would have actually read the article, you would understand that.

Ozzy was part of the band for 10+ years. If you had spent 10 years in something you helped start, you would be pissed if another member had gotten full ownership of the name. Stop thinking about the money for two seconds, and think about it as if it were you.

More power to Ozzy. he has just as much right to the profit made by merchandise sold with the Black Sabbath name as Iommi or the others.

I hope Ozzy gets it.
     
Shreddin 4 Life wrote on 05/31/2009 - 03:28 am / quote |
What a bunch of crap...a waste of time and money really. So Ozzy leaves and Iommi keeps going with hte rest of the guys for a few years...actually wait - a few decades AND Ozzy waits til NOW to start busting his balls! talk about a case of poor timing. if this were say...20 years ago it'd be more understandable
Shame on Ozzy in my opinion. Does he have a right to the title and the riches? Maybe...but the thing is you cut urself out of something or get cut out...doesn't that kinda forefit ur obligation to it and therefore the consequent riches and whatnot that go with it??? Either way, it's a little too late for this if u ask me...sad to see one of the most famous singers of all time - notably and obviously filthy rich as it is - trying to grab some more cash. Considering his past, the ****in' guy's lucky to be alive; why can't he just be grateful???
     
lp1gmoney wrote on 05/31/2009 - 03:28 am / quote |
And before someone decides to be Mr. Technicality, I meant almost as many STUDIO albums as Metallica has.
     
Wookieslayer wrote on 05/31/2009 - 03:44 am / quote |
f this, epic fail ozzy
     
Kastöm wrote on 05/31/2009 - 04:33 am / quote |
Lethal Dosage wrote:

m1dnight wrote:

You lot should grow up. Ozzy has a right to that money. Im fairly sure if any of you were in his situation you wouldnt hessitate to take legal action if someone had cut you off from something you had a right too.

This

Lets say you sing for a band. You have a very distinct style of singing and the band becomes famous with you fronting it. Wouldnt you want some of the money from songs you recorded and sang live? He has a right to it most if not all of the most memorable sabbath tunes have ozzy fronting the band when the song was recorded.


right sure... and lets say you have millions and millions upon millions and millions of dollars, and you just dont think theres enough zeros at the end of those millions, and you just need to make some more money without actually doing any work... wouldn't you try to rip off someone who made your work famous to begin with.

If Ozzy never did a single more day of work in his life, he would probably be living a sweeter life than the entirety of Switzerland.
     
gibson jack wrote on 05/31/2009 - 04:36 am / quote |
webbtje wrote:

For someone who wrote none of the music, this is stepping on a lot more toes that it's worth.


Exactly. He didn't come up with the name, was out of the band for 16 years and never wrote any songs for them. Why SHOULD he get the band name?
     
duzit89 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 05:12 am / quote |
daaaaamn.. ozzy, what has sharon talked you into this time?
     
Gordon guitar wrote on 05/31/2009 - 05:52 am / quote |
It is a f*cking disgrace the ego and greed. Grow up.
     
rip3149 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 06:02 am / quote |
tony iommi didn't invent metal. the guy that designed the machine that cut of the tips of two of his fingers and made him resort to lots of power chords invented metal! lol

but in all seriousness, this should not be an issue. if ozzy wants the sabbath legacy to go hand in hand with his name after he dies...it's already been done. this is probably sharon's doing, but ozzy has disappointed many by letting her do this.
     
Jesstaa wrote on 05/31/2009 - 06:19 am / quote |
As much as I reckon Ozzy is awesome, this is stupid. Iommi was more a godfather of metal than Ozzy.
     
Törö wrote on 05/31/2009 - 06:38 am / quote |
He talks about dealing the trademark with four guys, but he himself wants 50% of it...? What the ****?
     
Shabalaba wrote on 05/31/2009 - 06:57 am / quote |
Crap article, looked it the same article another place, he wants it to be split 25% each.

This article doesn't even show what Ozzy said
     
Shredder XXX wrote on 05/31/2009 - 07:12 am / quote |
I lol at the 50% part. This is not what Ozzy wants at all. He wants equal shares for the original line-up. Sounds fair to me.

And, Iommi is well within his rights to crack as much cash out of Live Nation as possible, the prikcs:P.

It sucks that the business/legal side of music is getting more of the limelight than actual music these days.
     
Stikit2duhman wrote on 05/31/2009 - 07:55 am / quote |
DIO kicks ass!!! tony is the godfather of metal!!!
     
Stikit2duhman wrote on 05/31/2009 - 07:59 am / quote |
damn, tony was the heart and soul of black sabbath...WTF ozzy?!
     
AngelWolf wrote on 05/31/2009 - 08:20 am / quote |
well..i'm not impressed. i see ozzy's point, kinda, but its really saddening to read about 2 great living legends fight over something so trivial. ozzy doesnt need the money. iommi doesnt need it either. i think the 4 original members should get 25% each. thats the fairest way they could do it. why does this matter.
     
nesveikuolis wrote on 05/31/2009 - 08:27 am / quote |
I personally think, that Osbourne is the worst, least reliable, naive bandmember you can have. Heck, I'd rather work with Mustane, than Ozzy. What a prick.
     
AngelWolf wrote on 05/31/2009 - 08:29 am / quote |
how does suing an old band mate for money over use of the name or rights, make things feel better. it can't make him feel good if he wins. it will just push him away from being able to reunite with them again. i bet he will never actually manage to spend it all, if he wins. money isn't a healer.
     
SwamperGene wrote on 05/31/2009 - 08:33 am / quote |
lol simple solution for Iommi...take a page out of Ozzy's playbook and recut the old songs with new vocalists.
     
schismed wrote on 05/31/2009 - 08:43 am / quote |
UG is always a little behind in reporting stories. This lawsuit has been in the makings now for over 5 months. THAt is why the new cd is released under a new name. Anyone who reads this should know, this is not Ozzy doing this. This is SHARON OSBOURNE. She is, and always was, out to make some money.
cliffemall123 wrote:

The Osbourne's new show bombed and I think they are mad that Heaven and Hell is doing so well, so they needed a new way to make some money. Ozzy didn't even think of the name. And if he thinks he deserves some of the right, then don't Geezer and Bill also deserve some of it? Lame. They even decided to not call Heaven and Hell Black Sabbath because they wanted to reunite with Ozzy someday, but I guess he just killed that.
     
pizzanipple wrote on 05/31/2009 - 09:00 am / quote |
No Tony Iommi = No Black Sabbath = No Metal.
I prefer Sabbath with Ozzy, but to do this is ****ing ridiculous. Didn't he lose enough of our respect with the TV show and the butter commercials?
     
smash119 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 09:05 am / quote |
I don't care if "Ozzy" era was the best Black Sabbath era. The name belongs to IOMMI! Tony tireless worked for years producing music. It doesn't matter who is more famous.
     
Randaman wrote on 05/31/2009 - 10:19 am / quote |
rhoadrunner wrote:

if somone made a car all by himself, should the company that makes the tires for it sue him for custody of the car because without tires he couldnt drive it

for those of you who dont get metaphloors, ozzy is like the company that makes tires and iommi is like the maker of the car

(arent my gay ass metaphloors deep)


That's an analogy, not a metaphor. But it IS pretty good :-p.
     
Unknownsage wrote on 05/31/2009 - 10:54 am / quote |
I would probaly do the same if I was Ozzy but I would atleast give the other member's percentages than just myself and the guitarist. -_-'

And also I would donate alot of the money I got to charity rather than use it on my wife whos only famous for marrying me.
     
hashcake77 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 10:59 am / quote |
It is pretty silly and I bet Sharon’s involved somehow, for me personally the music is what makes the band though Ozzy is a memorable front man, but he didn't have a massive input in the music, which actually upset Ozzy at the time because he didn't feel he had any talent. Anyway my ‘vote’ if you will lies with Iommi's side; I'd be pretty annoyed if you look at it in the respect of you writing all the songs and you find a singer to sing them then twenty odd years down the line that singer tried to sue you for making more money over it when you actually wrote the songs.

Ozzy would not be rich to the grave if it wasn’t for Iommi and Butler writing such brilliant music, so that’s one of the fundamental reasons that makes this case even more pathetic than it already is.
     
98Timberwolf wrote on 05/31/2009 - 11:20 am / quote |
schismed wrote:

UG is always a little behind in reporting stories. This lawsuit has been in the makings now for over 5 months. THAt is why the new cd is released under a new name. Anyone who reads this should know, this is not Ozzy doing this. This is SHARON OSBOURNE. She is, and always was, out to make some money.


I agree. I can't see Ozzy doing this 30 years after he was in sabbath.
ReaperWaits wrote:

O-Z-Z-Y?
Well that's not how you spell Sharon..


I laughed pretty good at this.
     
thenephilim wrote on 05/31/2009 - 11:48 am / quote |
so the guy who never wrote less than 5% of the music is suing the guy who wrote 90%?
     
thenephilim wrote on 05/31/2009 - 11:50 am / quote |
*who wrote less than 5%...
     
fireoptic wrote on 05/31/2009 - 11:50 am / quote |
Sonny_sam wrote:

Sorry to double post but for all those saying he has enough money already, I can't see that this is about the money for ozzy. For Iommi it obviously is, claiming 3 times the amount of sales from live nation is just greedy. I think for ozzy it's more about his legacy though. He doesn't have many years left in the music world, and Sabbath was the high point of his career, possibly his life. If he can't die with that intact, what does he have? A history of drug addiction & some average, occasionally good music. Sabbath was the only time I can think of that he produced anything better than that, with a couple of exceptions.


so he needs money to compensate that?

as Robert Hunter said:
"If all you've got to live for is what you left behind, get yourself a powder charge and clear that silver mine"
     
waysay wrote on 05/31/2009 - 12:22 pm / quote |
There is a shit load of comments on this article. And the second place goes to the guitar scavenger hunt. But as for Ozzy and Tony they should get in the ring
     
Black Ox wrote on 05/31/2009 - 12:27 pm / quote |
Why doesn't Ozzy just go make another cell phone commercial or something?
     
January85 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 12:34 pm / quote |
lockdown91 wrote:

why don't they send all those money to third world countries? They need it more than Ozzy.


Yeah! hahahahaha.
You got a point there.
     
Slooj wrote on 05/31/2009 - 01:05 pm / quote |
It's all Sharon.
She's a stupid ***** who needs to back off, considering she had NOTHING to do with Sabbath's music.
     
Ozfan wrote on 05/31/2009 - 01:05 pm / quote |
I find it funny how many people here get hyped when somebody tries to get something they rightly deserve. When Ozzy was in the band that was when they were most popular and even when Dio (who i think is an amazing singer) came on board, they were'nt as successful. And now that they call themselves Heaven and Hell it looks like the Dio era isn't even really Black Sabbath. And I admit that Tony made a lot of the band, but Ozzy was the frontman and deserves to have a share of it.
I think it's stupid how many people are saying they hope he loses because "He has enough money", That doesn't mean he isn't intitled to something he helped contribute to and form. Maybe a govenor shouldn't run for president because he has enough power. That is pure idiocracy.
     
DeathzMetal666 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 01:15 pm / quote |
ooohh shit xD
     
DeathzMetal666 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 01:16 pm / quote |
January85 wrote:

lockdown91 wrote:

why don't they send all those money to third world countries? They need it more than Ozzy.

Yeah! hahahahaha.
You got a point there.
i agree xD
     
stef123 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 01:21 pm / quote |
I wonder what Bill Ward and Geezer Butler think of this?
     
Warheart1188 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 01:35 pm / quote |
well, if you think about it, Sabbath would've gone nowhere without Ozz.

I think this is a bit ridiculous. Everybody associates Black Sabbath with Ozzy so that should be good enough for the Ozzman.
     
AngryGoldfish wrote on 05/31/2009 - 01:49 pm / quote |
Why are rockstars such ignorant children? That's incorrect really, children are innocent.

I'm just personally sick of nonsense like this. Rock&Roll Hall of Fame is a shamed place now.
     
salrap10 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 01:59 pm / quote |
suing a former band member? thats low ozzy
     
Haunted_Shell wrote on 05/31/2009 - 02:03 pm / quote |
Man Ozzy can seriously just die now
     
big_d wrote on 05/31/2009 - 02:07 pm / quote |
black sabbath isn't even a band worth listening to without Ozzy. way to go Ozzy. **** tony iomi
     
xcmasta91 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 02:15 pm / quote |
BSM123456789 wrote:

Jester InFlames wrote:

ChucklesMginty wrote:

People's whose respect has been lost due to lawsuits:

Axl Rose
Joe Satriani
Ozzy Osbourne
Buckethead
Rick Astley

What did buckethead do???? It s funny to immagine him at court

haha trudat


eh agreed but rick astley is still the man bro u cant deny that
     
fr33t0m wrote on 05/31/2009 - 02:19 pm / quote |
Just lost the last shred of respect I had for Ozzy. Long live Tony Iommi, the real father of metal.
     
MetFan10 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 02:23 pm / quote |
I like how half of you didn't even read the story. You just came on here, wrote "Iommi FTW!", because he's the one being sued. If it were the other way around, it would be "IOMMI IS A DOUCHE! OZZY FTW!"
     
Iakov wrote on 05/31/2009 - 02:29 pm / quote |
Bad, Bad, BAD Move...
     
laxjoe101 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 02:44 pm / quote |
IOMMI IS SABBATH
     
ozzynator wrote on 05/31/2009 - 02:47 pm / quote |
Ozfan wrote:

I find it funny how many people here get hyped when somebody tries to get something they rightly deserve. When Ozzy was in the band that was when they were most popular and even when Dio (who i think is an amazing singer) came on board, they were'nt as successful. And now that they call themselves Heaven and Hell it looks like the Dio era isn't even really Black Sabbath. And I admit that Tony made a lot of the band, but Ozzy was the frontman and deserves to have a share of it.
I think it's stupid how many people are saying they hope he loses because "He has enough money", That doesn't mean he isn't intitled to something he helped contribute to and form. Maybe a govenor shouldn't run for president because he has enough power. That is pure idiocracy.


+100000
     
brownypoints665 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 02:49 pm / quote |
jagonzalezs wrote:

ozzy made black sabbath famous because what is the most knowed song of Black Sabbath ..... Paranoid


So your saying Ozzy is justified because everyone knows Paranoid?
You suck at grammar and you fail at life...because sabbath bloody sabbath.
     
Force Reaver wrote on 05/31/2009 - 02:57 pm / quote |
Led-Zep wrote:

Force Reaver wrote:

People dont know their ass from a hole in the ground. Ozzy made sabbath back in the day because of his awesome stage presence and getting crowds involved. And while Iommi might have written some amazing riffs the man was practically a twig back in old shows. Watch any old footage cause tony just sits there with no emotion what so ever. Yea he has gotten better about that thing now but dont tell me it was all his riffs and him that made sabbath. Because if that were the case all the shitty dio albums would have sold like gangbusters. As much as we dont want to admit it a lead singer is what makes and sells a band "provided" he is backed up with the right musicians. Vocals are what you hold onto in a song. Queen is Freddy, Alice in Chains is Layne, Red Hot Chili Peppers is Anthony,Zep is Plant, and System of A Down Is Serj. Yes Ozzy may have not written the lyrics to many songs but tell me what you hear when you listen to Iron Man in your head. Sure Tonys guitar is distinct and a strong focus but Ozzys voice is the only voice you hear when you think of the lyrics no one elses. And thats what made the sabbath songs radio hits. Because if it wasnt for the catchy voice backing the guitar the songs would have been just some technical bastard soloing and wanking on the guitar for 5 mins and no one wanted to hear that back then. And yes Ozzy is asking for allot of money and rights but lets be fair cause Iommi is asking for three times the amount from merchandise so they both being semi greedy ****s.

What BS. Electric guitar is the icon of rock music. Make someone "sing" ironman, stairway, or smoke on the water. What will the sing? The guitar riff.
Led Zep is Page
Van Halen is Eddie
RHCP is Flea/Frusciante
but i'll have to admit that Queen is Mercury...


That is ignorant and once again get your head out of your ass. You mean to tell me that all those bands would be the same without their lead singers? No your not going to just replace someones voice and call it the same thing."New Queen Especially fails and so does new A.I.C." And aside from smoke on the water you would look like a complete tool singing instrument parts. So if your a big dragon force fan are you going to sing all the lead guitar parts? Dont be retarded. Learn to read I did not say that guitar was not important at all. Im trying to point out the fact that that singers key good singers cannot be replaced and have it be the same band. Also most people get hooked on catchy lyrics and a singer makes them band. Another reason, and this is the last time im saying it, that the dio years sucked and didnt even come close to touching and record from the ozzy era.
     
Marshall Lead12 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 03:25 pm / quote |
m1dnight wrote:

You lot should grow up. Ozzy has a right to that money. Im fairly sure if any of you were in his situation you wouldnt hessitate to take legal action if someone had cut you off from something you had a right too.


Who cares? Ozzy is already the image of Black Sabbath for the general spiel of people. He has enough money he should let it go.
     
irontremelo wrote on 05/31/2009 - 03:40 pm / quote |
No, Whats going on !!!!!
     
SweepSDMF wrote on 05/31/2009 - 03:50 pm / quote |
i dont think its about the money for ozzy, i think that he just wants to be recognised as the best thing thats happened to sabbath.
     
turtlewax wrote on 05/31/2009 - 04:18 pm / quote |
apparently ozzy relinquished his rights in the 80;s
     
Imperial Throg wrote on 05/31/2009 - 04:21 pm / quote |
Alec Evans wrote:

Three things Ozzy/Tony should do:
Stop arguing about this
Reform the 70's lineup
Do a UK tour with Iron Maiden & Saxon!

fixed. Now it would be legendary
     
RadioMuse wrote on 05/31/2009 - 04:26 pm / quote |
While it's certainly true that Sabbath isn't Sabbath without Ozzy it's not like Iommi and Butler haven't already addressed this by renaming the Dio fronted project Heaven and Hell. But it's not like Ozzy isn't a MASSIVE success under his own name, why does he need to reclaim a huge part of Sabbath's legacy as well? And why now of all times?
     
ruker wrote on 05/31/2009 - 04:49 pm / quote |
RadioMuse wrote:

While it's certainly true that Sabbath isn't Sabbath without Ozzy it's not like Iommi and Butler haven't already addressed this by renaming the Dio fronted project Heaven and Hell. But it's not like Ozzy isn't a MASSIVE success under his own name, why does he need to reclaim a huge part of Sabbath's legacy as well? And why now of all times?


Actually, I believe they changed the name because they wanted to play mainly/all DIO era stuff and didn't want fans that were coming to see them expect to hear stuff like Iron Man and Paranoid.
     
hippiemetalguy wrote on 05/31/2009 - 05:05 pm / quote |
i dont care what any of you say if it was sharon or ozzy or whoever pretty much this is just a mistake everyone makes them but still ozzy would be nothing without sabbath and sabbath would be nothing without ozzy and dio meh **** him i only liked his solo work nvr was a fan of his carreer in sabbath
     
lockdown91 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 05:13 pm / quote |
Whatever you say, whether you stand for Iommi or Ozzy, the fact is that Iommi was practically the only band member writing new material, making him the owner of those songs. Just because someone can reproduce certain material doesn't make him an owner. Just because someone can play Smoke on the Water doesn't make him the owner of the song, does it?
     
Megadeth174 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 05:20 pm / quote |
that is so ****ing stupid who cares
     
digge wrote on 05/31/2009 - 05:31 pm / quote |
Kastöm :
Did Ozzy forget that Iommi IS Sabbath?

well said!!!
     
DZCunuck wrote on 05/31/2009 - 05:36 pm / quote |
I don't see why everybody's jumping at Ozzy for this. The way i see it, it's Iommi who pulled an Axl and is being a little prick. I think that for Ozzy, its more of wanting to be remembered as an important part of Sabbath.
     
Krimson_Magnus wrote on 05/31/2009 - 05:40 pm / quote |
Ozzy just lost a lot of respect for people. You don't need the money Ozzy. You already have plenty enough.
     
Luke.Zeppelin wrote on 05/31/2009 - 05:55 pm / quote |
People cant say Iommi is Sabbath, yes without Iommis guitar there would be no Sabbath, but, without Ozzys vocals, Geezers bass and Wards drumming there would of been no Sabbath either.
     
S.O.A.P. wrote on 05/31/2009 - 05:55 pm / quote |
Butler added that Osbourne didn't take him seriously as a songwriter, saying, "If we were with Ozzy and I came in with the killer riff of all time, Ozzy wouldn't even think of doing it because I'm not the guitarist and that's the way he thinks . . . That's why it was so bloody hard to write anything."

Is he talking about writing on bass or lyrics? Still, bass in too hidden behind its possibilities
     
Skuzzmo wrote on 05/31/2009 - 06:39 pm / quote |
Probably not the most constructive comment here but...

Ozzy when did you turn into a complete wanker???

Used to have respect for you're just a joke now...

Sigh....
     
lopezmetalmunky wrote on 05/31/2009 - 06:43 pm / quote |
Wow. As if the music world couldn't get any more d***s in it's bum...
     
rmp0012002 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 07:16 pm / quote |
This is all Sharon, Ozzy is so fried he does what She says. She has pimped out Ozzy for every stupid idea to fill her pockets. Sharon better come up with another TV show because she's gonna lose this one.
     
Tribe35 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 07:29 pm / quote |
you guys are all ****ing stupid in every way..

how will you say that sabbath was all ozzy,, or all iommi.. bands arent made by one person.. and bands that are never reach the global success of sabbath..

and randy rhoads being the success for ozzy's solo career? he only had one album with him,, not to mention how badass zakk wylde is..

and on top of all this,, you arent realizing that ozzy was trying to win over partnership for all the members in sabbath.. and iommi is trying to reap the benefits..

its whatever,, keep bitchin..

later
     
AxlRose94 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 07:40 pm / quote |
How could you say that about Randy Rhoads? Randy Rhoads was amazing, Zakk Wyldes good too, but your not looking at the point at all, Ozzy's doing his own thing leave Sabbath, Iommi, and everyone else alone.
     
AxlRose94 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 07:42 pm / quote |
Just because hes not making the profit from Sabbath doesn't mean jack shit, he left to make Ozzy Osbourne, they haven't made anything since 79' with sabbath, honestly why make a big deal about that shit now,.
     
the5thhorseman wrote on 05/31/2009 - 07:48 pm / quote |
Sonny_sam wrote:

I think to be honest the problem with ozzy-era sabbath was the drugs more than ozzy, and to be honest for many people, ozzy osbourne IS black sabbath, so him having no stake in the name/trademark makes no sense whatsoever.


Sure it makes perfect sense, Iommi LEGALLY bought Ozzy and the others out in the early/mid 1980s. A stupid business decision for Ozzy and one that worked out brilliantly for Iommi considering Sabbath's success in the late 90s-now. Too damn bad Ozzy.

And as far as people thinking Ozzy Osbourne is Black Sabbath, only fools think that. Iommi and Butler were the masterminds behind Sabbath. Ward was a talented musician and Ozzy just sang what Geezer had written and followed the guitars. If it wasn't for Iommi, Ozzy would be a butcher, in jail, or dead. Iommi, Butler, Rhoads, Bob Daisley, and all his hired guns made Ozzy Osbourne his money. That's why the whole thing is pathetic.
     
the5thhorseman wrote on 05/31/2009 - 07:54 pm / quote |
Ozfan wrote:

I find it funny how many people here get hyped when somebody tries to get something they rightly deserve. When Ozzy was in the band that was when they were most popular and even when Dio (who i think is an amazing singer) came on board, they were'nt as successful. And now that they call themselves Heaven and Hell it looks like the Dio era isn't even really Black Sabbath. And I admit that Tony made a lot of the band, but Ozzy was the frontman and deserves to have a share of it.
I think it's stupid how many people are saying they hope he loses because "He has enough money", That doesn't mean he isn't intitled to something he helped contribute to and form. Maybe a govenor shouldn't run for president because he has enough power. That is pure idiocracy.


Sorry for the double post, but this was too stupid to ignore.

Success has nothing to do with it. Iommi LEGALLY owns the name and has had owned it for damn near 25 years. Ozzy can argue all he wants that the band wasn't as successful, but so what? Iommi could have ****ing played in the bathroom at Wal-Mart for half a century and it makes no difference. Once Ozzy relinguished his rights to the name, he lost any possible future money he could have made. Now he wants a piece of the pie, but too bad. You make a bad business deal and this is the price you pay. Iommi owns the name, end of story, case closed. Ozzy and $haron lose.
     
damskippy wrote on 05/31/2009 - 08:03 pm / quote |
As Ozzy would say, "Bloody unitelligible unintelligible, expletive, unintelligible expletive expletive expletive... SHARON!!! bloody unintelligible expletive!"
     
SwamperGene wrote on 05/31/2009 - 08:26 pm / quote |
lol you can see where this is all coming together.

Go to blacksabbath.com, which is owned by none other than one Sharon Osbourne. After a splash screen, you are redirected to an online store that is selling Black Sabbath merchandise, a store that is run by....Live Nation. hahahaha go freakin' figure.
     
satanblaster wrote on 05/31/2009 - 08:26 pm / quote |
****ing ridiculous. Sharon should be... I cant come up with just one thing id wanna do to her, and that stuff wouldnt be positive. Just lame, really lame
     
scawti wrote on 05/31/2009 - 08:35 pm / quote |
This so stupid - especially that B.S. about doing it for Geezer and Ward too... Ozzy (I mean Sharon) just wants access to the name to exploit it with merchandising. Considering Iomi is the only one who's been in Sabbath the entire time, why shouldn't he control rights to the name. This is just 'payback' for Iomi and Geezer saying in interviews about Dio being better to work with than Ozzy. At least the Osbournes didn't sabotage a Heaven and Hell show like they did to Iron Maiden...
     
morgoth_guitar wrote on 05/31/2009 - 08:37 pm / quote |
I've noticed that people here have been taking every side to this there is. My question is what does it matter to any of you? Ok. Everyone knows Ozzy ain't going to do shit with the name. Iommi and Butler are doing Heaven and Hell with Dio. Notice they called the band Heaven and Hell and not Black Sabbath. So what's the ****ing problem. Who here really knows for a hundred percent fact who came up with the name? Was anyone there when it happened? Cause I highly doubt that. If Ozzy contributed in any way shape or form, then he deserves his share. Regardless of how much money he has. I mean do you think the owners of Apple deserve Windows money cause Bill Gates has more than enough? No. Why? Cause they didn't ****ing contribute. Everyone in the band deserves their share. And to everyone who is saying that Iommi is Sabbath or that Ozzy is Sabbath, you are all wrong. Cause last time I saw Sabbath at Ozzfest 2004 it wasn't just one of them on stage. The whole band is Sabbath.
     
Disposable-Hero wrote on 05/31/2009 - 08:44 pm / quote |
Him and Satch should record something.
     
Gottlos wrote on 05/31/2009 - 08:53 pm / quote |
Kastöm wrote:

Did Ozzy forget that Iommi IS Sabbath?


My thoughts exactly =/
     
rockforever2112 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 08:54 pm / quote |
Sharon!!!!!
     
Firering56 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 09:17 pm / quote |
well, when i read the headline i was like.. "Man... that isnt metal mann..... why would ozzy be such a douche?" till i read it anyways. altough i dont agree that ozzy should sue for HALF, but by right, he does deserve a small sum of those profits. its true that Iommi('s) guitar playing helped make the band be what it is, but Ozzy's wailing vocals molded it into something more than what it would have been. Sure, Geezer, Bill, and Iommi Could have hired someone else to sing, but then what would it be? it wouldnt be metal, it would just be the next blues band and then there wouldnt BE metal. yea, zepplin was a little wierd, but they WERENT METAL. I, personally, am neutral on this big arguement. but all of those people who aare close minded, on a single track to one decision, should think, Sabbath Is four people, not one person, not just guitar, not just singer, not just bass,and not just drums its immortalized as one band of friends playing music, doing what they did best.
Yea, Sharon does use ozzy's image alot, or "Whoring" it as many people have put it, but she is doing what she does best, she manages ozzy, her job is to make money for him. She will do whatever it takes to get something , that ozzy gets any amount of profit from, back on the map, all over the internet and such. would you do a crappy job at your proffesion?? or would you do your best at it?

Sabbath is forever.
     
Firering56 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 09:30 pm / quote |
Tribe35 wrote:

you guys are all ****ing stupid in every way..

how will you say that sabbath was all ozzy,, or all iommi.. bands arent made by one person.. and bands that are never reach the global success of sabbath..

and randy rhoads being the success for ozzy's solo career? he only had one album with him,, not to mention how badass zakk wylde is..

and on top of all this,, you arent realizing that ozzy was trying to win over partnership for all the members in sabbath.. and iommi is trying to reap the benefits..

its whatever,, keep bitchin..

later


uhhh,i hate bieng That guyt..., but actually Rhoads had 2 albums with ozzy's Solo career.
     
Kingzilla wrote on 05/31/2009 - 09:36 pm / quote |
Bullshit, ozzy already gets an insane amount of money from black sabbath stuff but 50%???ridickulus.
Thats why the dio lineup is doing their stuff under the "Heaven And Hell" moniker is because of how much of a dick ozzy is being about this shit
     
Kingzilla wrote on 05/31/2009 - 09:39 pm / quote |
Tribe35 wrote:

you guys are all ****ing stupid in every way..

how will you say that sabbath was all ozzy,, or all iommi.. bands arent made by one person.. and bands that are never reach the global success of sabbath..

and randy rhoads being the success for ozzy's solo career? he only had one album with him,, not to mention how badass zakk wylde is..

and on top of all this,, you arent realizing that ozzy was trying to win over partnership for all the members in sabbath.. and iommi is trying to reap the benefits..

its whatever,, keep bitchin..

later


You do realize that without iommi keeping the name black sabbath alive and getting everyone else back together there would be no blasck sabbath today right?
So yea he pretty much IS black sabbath actually
     
Dregen wrote on 05/31/2009 - 10:02 pm / quote |
Ozzy is rich, he doesn't need anymore money. Plus, he's a terrible singer on top of it.
     
FVD wrote on 05/31/2009 - 10:07 pm / quote |
din_blix wrote:

Ozzy seriously over estemates his role in the success of black sabbath, ozzys vocal work on the early BS records is terrible. I wish Dio was always with BS and that ozzy never existed, His continued selling out is sickining, and ALL his TV shows suck (remember when MTV was about music? strange consept right?) He should STFU and continue making commericals. Im 100% Iommi on this one.


Now now if that ever happened we'd never have Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow WITH Dio. It's sad that Ritchie steered the band in a more commercial direction but still that became a plus for Dio being in Black Sabbath. I regard Dio Sabbath to be the superior Sabbath IMO.

Agreed Tony Iommi IS Black Sabbath and NOT ****in' Ozzy Osbourne. Hell yes this is evil $haron at work once again. I actually got mad when she put a stop to Iommi from touring with Glenn Hughes back in 05. Of course they're annoyed that Heaven and Hell is doing well. The Devil You Know is a great record.

And how about all the lies from Ozzy over the years saying there's gonna be a new Sabbath album. Never gonna happen ladies an' gentlemen. And I'm not even gonna hold my breath over an Original Sabbath reunion. Personally I never want to see it happen...

I honestly can't listen to Ozzy solo albums. It IS the musicians that made the album screwing the likes of Kerslake and Daisley. Personally I enjoy the Living Loud album with Jimmy Barnes singing alot more.
     
discard777 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 10:08 pm / quote |
i think its stupid to sue but i agree they should use a different name
     
FVD wrote on 05/31/2009 - 10:12 pm / quote |
...and I shall also add that Ozzy was amazing in Sabbath back in the 70's. I can't stand his solo albums as his voice is more processed and not organic like he was in Sabbath. You can thank the drugs and alcohol for that. Firing him was the best thing they ever did...

With that being said his solo albums bore the hell out of me. Blizzard and Diary was enough for me...
     
SlashFan810 wrote on 05/31/2009 - 10:24 pm / quote |
The vocalist complaints seem to be taken right out of the mouth of an original GNR member on axl.
     
warriorde52 wrote on 06/01/2009 - 12:25 am / quote |
OZZY= SELL OUT
like METALLICA= SELL OUT
     
meisterjo1994 wrote on 06/01/2009 - 12:40 am / quote |
Ozzy is stupid for doing this. When he left the band, he left everything but himself. Why is he just going to come back and be all pissed with Iommi for using the band that he left? All these rock stars are stupid just suing each other over this stupid s**t.
     
Nightrain7 wrote on 06/01/2009 - 12:58 am / quote |
ChucklesMginty wrote:

People's whose respect has been lost due to lawsuits:

Axl Rose
Joe Satriani
Ozzy Osbourne
Buckethead
Rick Astley

Why dont u add Slash and Duff since for the past decade they have been sueing Axl everychance they get..
     
gravgp2003 wrote on 06/01/2009 - 02:55 am / quote |
sharon is doing this for more money. also she wants her kids to not have to work a day in their lives. ozzy knows the value of money he came from nothing. you think ozzy wants to do commercials. he just does it because his biotch of a wife, is money crazy. she has been running his career since he left sabbath. its a shame really, the musicians make it out that they are the victims, but, in the end its the music and ultimately the fans that suffer.
     
Hirvikala wrote on 06/01/2009 - 05:58 am / quote |
I think Sharon is trying to milk money for her plastic surgery or somethink. I agree with the idea that Ozzy deserves a portion, but 50% is too much.
     
Flibo wrote on 06/01/2009 - 06:31 am / quote |
Disposable-Hero wrote:

Him and Satch should record something.


Ahahah, thanks for the laugh
     
dwmacfar2 wrote on 06/01/2009 - 06:33 am / quote |
Hirvikala wrote:

I think Sharon is trying to milk money for her plastic surgery or somethink. I agree with the idea that Ozzy deserves a portion, but 50% is too much.
Exactly, considering he was only 1/4th of the band, not 1/2...
     
themtalisgood wrote on 06/01/2009 - 06:51 am / quote |
the facts are

.ozzy has enough money
.Iommi deserves to have rights to sabbath
.legal issues make metal too complicated
.most bands fall apart due to legal problems

both are right in some way but both are also wrong,
     
TwistedLogic wrote on 06/01/2009 - 08:23 am / quote |
SwamperGene wrote:

lol you can see where this is all coming together.

Go to blacksabbath.com, which is owned by none other than one Sharon Osbourne. After a splash screen, you are redirected to an online store that is selling Black Sabbath merchandise, a store that is run by....Live Nation. hahahaha go freakin' figure.


Awesome work dude; you should have written this article instead of the lazy UG dude who copied and pasted from the new york post. Do you think this law suit if partly retribution by the Osbournes because they will likely lose the Live Nation case, hence merchanising revenue. The connection between the two makes things seem a little clearer. Ozzy is not longer going to be able to use LIve Nation to generate revenue based on his Black Sabbath relationship, hence he now goes after rights to the name of the band itself. Seems like a possibility. Did Tony know that live nation was affiliated with the Osbournes before entering into the contract? Might be relevent and show he was acting in good faith to allow Ozzy to make some money from the Sabbath name, but with the contract expired Tony has no obligation to continue the arrangement. Looks like sour grapes to me.

Another thing: Sharon owns the domain name for black sabbath. com, but Tony owns the rights to the band name. They might be two different things; a commericial copyright versus an internent domain name. I am not sure how this will impact the lawsuit. Does the Osbournes having the rights to the domain name of black sabbath . com mean that they simply filed an application for the name, had it vetted with no other name coming up and possibly no objections levied by another party, and therefore they own the name. Would that be similar to the process that Iommi would have gone through to get the trademark of Black sabbath. If so, why didn't Ozzy contest the appication when it was initially put forward? If he knew what was going on or was informed by the patent office that an application was pending and did nothing about it, he has no cause to cry about it now.
     
AfricanDope wrote on 06/01/2009 - 08:49 am / quote |
That Heaven & Hell album should sell at least five copies...Ronnie James Midget is no substitute for Ozzy.

I wonder how many t-shirts Black Sabbath would have sold since 2006 without LiveNation selling them?

Funny bunch of old burnouts.

Ozzy Rules!
     
mlukeroberts222 wrote on 06/01/2009 - 10:07 am / quote |
Sorry but I've always thought Sabbath with Ozzy was miles ahead of Sabbath with Dio. Anyway, everybody suing everybody these days. WTF? I say they settle it with a pay per view cage match!!!
     
user_nameless wrote on 06/01/2009 - 10:08 am / quote |
:finger:

Screw it all! Black Sabbath's a great band, they all just need to grow up.
     
Skuzzmo wrote on 06/01/2009 - 10:13 am / quote |
AfricanDope wrote:

That Heaven & Hell album should sell at least five copies...Ronnie James Midget is no substitute for Ozzy.

I wonder how many t-shirts Black Sabbath would have sold since 2006 without LiveNation selling them?

Funny bunch of old burnouts.

Ozzy Rules!


No sorry...Ozzy is a tit.
     
The_rylan wrote on 06/01/2009 - 10:20 am / quote |
ChucklesMginty wrote:

People's whose respect has been lost due to lawsuits:

Axl Rose
Joe Satriani
Ozzy Osbourne
Buckethead
Rick Astley


JS has a valid point.
     
death eater wrote on 06/01/2009 - 10:21 am / quote |
Kastöm wrote:

Did Ozzy forget that Iommi IS Sabbath?


Bout time.
     
Mmmcrunchy wrote on 06/01/2009 - 11:04 am / quote |
I'm disappointed in all of them. Ozzy is a total ***** these days, which I've come to terms with, but now this shit-talking between all of them is just disheartening.
     
GuitarShredder+ wrote on 06/01/2009 - 11:31 am / quote |
I don't see the big deal... it's not like everyone is going to forget Ozzy if he loses "ownership" of the band's name. For f*ck's sake, EVERYONE knows who Ozzy is! He's just making everything such a big deal because he thinks this all matters so much, when it really doesn't. He's one of the most famous people in the musical world, nobody will forget who he is... He's the f*cking Prince of Darkness! Goddamn pointless stupid lawsuits.
     
Firering56 wrote on 06/01/2009 - 04:10 pm / quote |
warriorde52 wrote:

OZZY= SELL OUT
like METALLICA= SELL OUT


Hey, F U MAN!!
     
Abhorred One wrote on 06/01/2009 - 05:09 pm / quote |
Silly people, confusing Sharon with Ozzy.
     
RockDragon wrote on 06/01/2009 - 05:14 pm / quote |
correction: SHARON Osbourne sues Tony Iommi over ownership of black sabbath name.
     
srvrocks wrote on 06/01/2009 - 09:02 pm / quote |
....people...read the actual press realease with ozzy. He wanted equal rights for the whole band, not just tony. This has actually been brought up several times in the past between the band members. Thats all ozzy asked for, equal rights with the band name...dont see what sharon has to do with this either....
     
headbangerrodol wrote on 06/01/2009 - 09:20 pm / quote |
no more original sabbath
     
GenerationKILL wrote on 06/01/2009 - 10:52 pm / quote |
If ozzy had some brains left he might realize that burning bridges with his original band may not be the best thing to do. Considering most of the world knows him merely as sharons' muppet who swears too much on TV and acts like and idiot, his potential shot at real redemption could have been by recording an albums worth of new material with his original band. However, now that the mud slinging has finally begun, we can all kiss that dream goodbye. In his old age and senility you'd think making the best of things would be a good idea, not being a glory driven scrouge just to make more money, as if his legacy as a solo performer isn't big enough already. If anything the other three guys in 'sabbath deserve more of a stake in the "black sabbath" estate, considering his wealth hes amassed since he left in '79. Take into factoring he really can't think much when it comes to business dealings (his psycho wife was the one thats bailed his career out since he left 'sabbath) i'd say shes the one speaking from behind the curtain on this one anyway...
     
GenerationKILL wrote on 06/01/2009 - 10:58 pm / quote |
Sonny_sam wrote:

ChucklesMginty wrote:

People's whose respect has been lost due to lawsuits:

Axl Rose
Joe Satriani
Ozzy Osbourne
Buckethead
Rick Astley

You forgot Metallica, God they have to be the worst.


theres always some dink whos screaming "what about metallica" from the back of the room. So what, they sold out and sued napster. Are YOU still suffering from the "napster lawsuit?" haven't you been to the 90 billion other free downloading sites on the internet? get over it.
Metallica never "sold out" either, with each successive album they've introduced new sounds and ideas ever since kill 'em all, making them a PROGRESSIVE THRASH BAND. If death magnetic didn't shut you up, nothing probably ever will.
     
stoop wrote on 06/02/2009 - 12:34 am / quote |
Black Sabbath is Tony Iommi.Ozzy do nothing but sing.And Sabbath Dio years is great.Moreover,Dio is a better singer than Ozzy.And made a lot of contribution to the song.
     
warlockking wrote on 06/02/2009 - 12:58 am / quote |
ozzys actual statement:

http://www.ozzy.com/news/ozzy-speaks-about-bla ck-sabbath-trademark-issue
     
Wildchild-91 wrote on 06/02/2009 - 04:25 am / quote |
Ozzy doesn't need that money, so I totally agree with one who wrote longer up here, that they should send the money to some third world country. Or cancer stuff or help sick people or something.
Anyways, I can understand Ozzy in this thing too!
     
Wildchild-91 wrote on 06/02/2009 - 04:26 am / quote |
but it's kinda the same thing with Guns N' Roses nowadays.. Axl is the only original member left.. Does Slash, Duff and the other guys sue him? No!
     
dyllan93 wrote on 08/21/2009 - 07:20 pm / quote |
I'm betting Shannon's behind this in some way. She probably pushed Ozzy to do it. I doubt Ozzy would ever sue Iommi on his own.
     
MossyMan wrote on 04/02/2010 - 10:11 pm / quote |
GenerationKILL wrote:

Sonny_sam wrote:

ChucklesMginty wrote:

People's whose respect has been lost due to lawsuits:

Axl Rose
Joe Satriani
Ozzy Osbourne
Buckethead
Rick Astley

You forgot Metallica, God they have to be the worst.

theres always some dink whos screaming "what about metallica" from the back of the room. So what, they sold out and sued napster. Are YOU still suffering from the "napster lawsuit?" haven't you been to the 90 billion other free downloading sites on the internet? get over it.
Metallica never "sold out" either, with each successive album they've introduced new sounds and ideas ever since kill 'em all, making them a PROGRESSIVE THRASH BAND. If death magnetic didn't shut you up, nothing probably ever will.


He's talking about people losing respect for the band due to lawsuits; he didn't give any opinion about death magnetic or their music at all. You need to calm down and stop being such a fanboy. What he said is true, many lost respect for Metallica with their lawsuits. This you cannot deny, so stop giving out.
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