Stone Temple Pilots frontman Scott Weiland is being accused of using backing tracks at live shows, after he fell off a stage and landed heavily – without missing a note.
The band were performing in Cincinatti when the incident took place. Weiland lost his footing, stumbled and fell clumsily, while carrying a microphone in one hand and a megaphone in the other.
Despite the tumble, his voice was heard to continue the song – he wasn’t singing at the precise moment he fell, but when the moment came to resume he didn’t sound short of breath, out of tune or in any way flustered.
Watch the video below - Weiland falls around 1m 30s.
Later in the same show, several fans noted that a backing track seemed to jump. The band haven’t commented on the suggestions of using pre-recorded material.
Commentator Skwerl of Antiquiet says: "Scott took a really hard spill into a hole during Crackerman. A really bad one. He’s down there for a while as the crew tries to help him out – and yet the vocal performance doesn’t falter in the slightest."
Eyewitness Lisa Biello reports: "Later, during another song, it was pointed out to me that ‘the CD is skipping.’ Truth be told, I did hear something ‘slip’, something in the background, like the drummer had screwed up and missed a beat or two. It was definitely obvious, yet the band kept going like nothing happened."
Discussing Weiland’s fall, which she admits she didn’t see, Biello says: "I fall down a lot. When I do, there’s some form of accompanying audio - usually an expletive but almost always a grunt, groan or giggle or two. But not Scott Weiland."
Might be an "insurance" factor... With Weilands track record, the promoters probably aren't going to take a chance with not knowing what Weilands condition will be just before a show. Whether or not he's to effed up before a show to perform vocally...
I was there, in the front row.
He made the extra step and fell. He landed on his legs and then fell on his right side. He continued to sing quickly rising to his knees. Sang a few more lines near the crowd and was pulled up on stage.
Rock bands lip syncing? Come one, this aint rock 'n' roll..
I'll have to check w/my buddy on this one. He could be drugged up that he can't feel the pain.
...not to draw any conclusion on STP, but I've seen other well-known bands do this. Basically, they're playing, but the tracks are played over the P.A., and their own is just being played in their monitor mixes. Some know it, some don't. There's other things such as 'ducking' effect that can be used. This effect is like a gate, which opens up the mic, when it's spoken/sang into, the live voice takes over the tracking. Then when it closes up, the tracks take over again.
I bet it is ducking, I've seen Scott Weiland live 4 times, he doesn't sing perfect enough to be a recording, unless he is lip synching over a live recording.
I've seen Scott fall over before and just keep singing from the floor, and it never crossed my mind that he could be partially lip-syncing -- I thought he was just a very good performer.
If so, then that SUCKS. I don't care if other bands do it, that's not what rock-'n'-roll is about. Concerts can be unpredictable and sometimes not the highest quality musically, and that's OK because it's the experience of being there with your favorite performers that matters. Real rock bands don't use crutches like this.
Avenged Sevenfold definitely use vocal tracks. Saw them this past weekend on Uproar, and M. Shadow's voice was heard whether or not his mouth was moving.
Disturbed on the other hand, didn't appear to, as Dave Draiman is a great vocalist unlike M. Shadows.
And I care because...? Its been the Year of the Fall, with Steven Tyler apparently unable to keep HIS balance. Personally, I'd like the show to go on if the singer's trying, rather than stopping because Tyler and Perry are having an argument onstage.
If it is a BT, then its being ducked, because his singing doesn't sound studio onstage.
I liked this band in middle school, i strayed away to new music, came back to STP years later and they're trash. i can never bring myself to listen to that awful singer. He tripped and then didnt want to get up just then cuz then everyone would know that hes lip syncing. So he waited until the end of that vocal part so he could nonchalantly get back on stage as if no one saw his lip syncing.
When I saw these guys live it looked and sounded like an honest to goodness live show. This ducking thing sounds like alot of shows could have been better then.
It might be ducked... the vocals I hear right after he falls are significantly quieter than the ones before or a bit after (though it's hard to say with fairly low-quality audio on the vid). I doubt anyone could take a fall like that and just keep singing as if nothing happened... But I can't see his landing either. If he's both a cat and an amazing frontman then maybe he managed a soft landing and was able to continue...
While it's more 'professional' to use 'ducking', it's certainly less raw, live, and in the moment (therefore less ROCK). And as much of an "art rock" type as I am I'm still against the overtly polished professionalism of using piped in lead vocals...
i've seen them live, no way he was lip syncing, on top of that as for the comments of having an entire band being over dubbed by a cd, no way in thier case. to many mistakes, and a guitar rig that died and stopped the show twice.
I created a username on here simply to defend Scott Weiland and the Stone Temple Pilots. I saw STP August 19 in Grand Rapids, MI (a few days before Cincy show) and was in the front row right in front of Scott. My friend right next to me at the show accidentally pulls Scott off stage during "Sex Type Thing" and from the video I think it is obvious he isn't lip synching. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GToWfYk9Mfs (fall occurs about twelve seconds in) Also at the same show during "Still Remains" Scott holds out the microphone and allows my same friend to sing a line from the song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XHJKSTR73E (3 minutes 10 seconds into video)
I love using UG for tabs and music news but after they post an article making accusations like this based on very weak evidence I don't think I'll be returning to this site.
NOT TRUE
you can hear the volume of his voice drop slightly right after the fall. he also sings the ending without the megaphone unlike the studio version. i've seen this band live twice and they were completely amazing the first time and good the second time. dean deleo is also an extremely underated guitarist who really shines live.
huge fail to ultimate guitar for trying to pull this crap.
So what if he's using some backing tracks. Who here has played live music before? I know, a lot of us, probably. Ever been tired after a gig? If you say no, you're full of it. Now try living the life these guys live. Abusing your mind and body on a daily basis for years and years and years, sleeping very little, and in tiny uncomfortable beds, and all the while expending every ounce of natural and artificial energy you have night in and night out. And still putting out a high-end recorded and live product. From where I'm sittin, it's a miracle these bands can play live at all.
Avenged Sevenfold definitely use vocal tracks. Saw them this past weekend on Uproar, and M. Shadow's voice was heard whether or not his mouth was moving
I saw them in Buffalo, I probably know what you're talking about. The Rev had some prominent vocal sections in Critical Acclaim and Afterlife, and they played a recorded track of his voice at the concert. I thought it was pretty respectful, personally. M. Shadows just kinda stood at the front with his hands folded, it's not like he was pretending to sing the Rev's parts.
I've seen Scott fall over before and just keep singing from the floor, and it never crossed my mind that he could be partially lip-syncing -- I thought he was just a very good performer.
If so, then that SUCKS. I don't care if other bands do it, that's not what rock-'n'-roll is about. Concerts can be unpredictable and sometimes not the highest quality musically, and that's OK because it's the experience of being there with your favorite performers that matters. Real rock bands don't use crutches like this.
this.
but based on what else I've read, it seems he wasn't syncing. additionally,
Spineburger wrote:
They were preforming where?? "Cincinatti"?? Jeez, my home town isn't that obscure is it? Almost went to this show but I'm savin my money for someone who can actually sing. Like Ozzy. Or Brittany Spears.
Saw the video; he's definitely still singing. That is a live vocal of Sex Type Thing. He rushes it a little, it's stressed, because he fell off the stage.
But then, that doesn't make for such good copy when it comes to a polarizing dude like Scott.
i'm pretty sure that's real, because if he were lip synching you wouldn't be able to hear the megaphone being used when he placed the mic in front of it.
He only hops back on stage once the lead starts, so for me, that just means he doesn't want to screw up the lyrics while being grabbed back on stage so he waits for an opportune moment. Who knows...
Unless this is disproven, I will never support this band again.
How about, until it's proven to be true you won't stop supporting them?
It's all speculation from one eyewitness (can you be an EYE witness for something that is HEARD and you're not even the one who noticed it?) and one commentator (was he in the front row or even have a line of sight to Scott?) from a organization that is three years old and calls themselves "The Only Music Site".
Failed accusations. His voice is weaker, he's indeed singing out of tune and not using the megaphone. There's such a sick drive to prove that Weiland is an ******* and/or a junkie. Scott is a pro and he does his job like a pro, deal with it.
Unless this is disproven, I will never support this band again.
Thats shit you should sit like them artists may do it sometimes when there voice is gone or sometinhgs not right like a cold or something i saw them live and he did not use ducking at all and it was ****ing great.
IF the accusations were true, it would really suck. But I don't think so. You can hear the change in the vocals after he fell. They weren't VERY significant, but that just means he's a great front man and singer. I'll be honest, I'm not the biggest STP fan, but I respect them and I really enjoy Scott's voice.
i'm pretty sure that's real, because if he were lip synching you wouldn't be able to hear the megaphone being used when he placed the mic in front of it.
it's almost as though the vocal part was done with a megaphone in studio
Avenged Sevenfold definitely use vocal tracks. Saw them this past weekend on Uproar, and M. Shadow's voice was heard whether or not his mouth was moving.
Disturbed on the other hand, didn't appear to, as Dave Draiman is a great vocalist unlike M. Shadows.
M.Shadows > Dave Draiman
theyre both not that great and both of them cant sing their parts like the studio. draimans def better tho he just cant hit the same tone live as he does in the studio where shadows cant even reach pitch most of the time, or do his secondary screaming vox and godforbid gates tries to help him with backing vocals...
I created a username on here simply to defend Scott Weiland and the Stone Temple Pilots. I saw STP August 19 in Grand Rapids, MI (a few days before Cincy show) and was in the front row right in front of Scott. My friend right next to me at the show accidentally pulls Scott off stage during "Sex Type Thing" and from the video I think it is obvious he isn't lip synching. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GToWfYk9Mfs (fall occurs about twelve seconds in) Also at the same show during "Still Remains" Scott holds out the microphone and allows my same friend to sing a line from the song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XHJKSTR73E (3 minutes 10 seconds into video)
I love using UG for tabs and music news but after they post an article making accusations like this based on very weak evidence I don't think I'll be returning to this site.
All I'll say is that while this kind of thing is bullshit, the people complaining the loudest have no idea how deep this concept runs. Some bands cheat, and some bands like Rush tap dance and trigger everything from backing vocals to synth parts just to pull off their studio sound. Either way, there's a large amount of sound manipulation and computers involved in every big rock show you can think of. Scott seems to be using it as a crutch, and that's lame, but some bands rely on technology to approximate the full sound on record.
I just watched it a few more times, I don't think he's lip-syncing at all. Is it possible he is? Yeah, but it's about as possible that he's just a good live performer.
Everyone's complaining about this and that and how technology is ruining music and whatnot, but was I the only person that actually laughed when I saw him fall off the stage?
i was there saw the whole thing from the 4th row and i thought the same thing when he fell and kept singing. really weiland is just that good the show was great and the band busted ass cant wait till they come around again. theres my first hand ear and eye whitness report.
If you think he is straight lip-syncing-- youtube recent shows where on different songs over the tour he sings the wrong lyrics or an alternate version; ie "superman with the silvergun" or "silver shotgun".
Avenged Sevenfold definitely use vocal tracks. Saw them this past weekend on Uproar, and M. Shadow's voice was heard whether or not his mouth was moving.
Disturbed on the other hand, didn't appear to, as Dave Draiman is a great vocalist unlike M. Shadows.
M.Shadows > Dave Draiman
Agreed.
Judging by this video, I'd say everyone is jumping to conclusions of things on things, just because they cannot see.
When he falls, you can hear the vocals get a little softer, but it doesn't mean there's a backing track. It might just be a result of the fall.
If it is a "duck" track, why would he use one that varies in melody so much from the way he most often sings it? After he falls, listen to when he says, "Get away, gotta get away," and the last time he says, "And I think I think to much," before he climbs back up. The way that melody is changed, and, at times, a little flawed. I guess some might argue that he would want the "duck" track to be a little flawed, as not to raise suspicions.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't doubt if they use ducking, or backing tracks to add emphasis on parts, aside from backup vocals, but I saw them a couple years ago at the Grand Ole Opry House. I think it was toward the beginning of their reunion tour. That place is pretty small and intimate. You can see most of what's going on. I don't remember one time hearing Scott's voice when I didn't see his mouth moving. They put on a pretty damn good show, too.
I'll have to go with this being real. Of course, in all reality, this could have certainly been evidence of a recorded vocal track being used, but he seemed to just stay down there until the solo started. There is the fact that he didn't sound winded at all. Well, I just don't want to believe a band this awesome would go this low.
Failed accusations. His voice is weaker, he's indeed singing out of tune and not using the megaphone. There's such a sick drive to prove that Weiland is an ***** and/or a junkie. Scott is a pro and he does his job like a pro, deal with it.
+1 .. someone prove hes faking it before all these accusations are brought forth... he gets quieter, he is slightly off (from what the clip lets you hear) and the fact that he stays down until his part is over only helps convince me hes just a great frontman.
i saw them in milwaukee a few months ago, he sang vasoline a whole measure behind the music (he was pretty out of it). definitely not recorded, he's just got a lot of talent ( when he's not wasted anyhow)
Umm Avenged Sevenfold DO use backing tracks, but not like you're suggesting. I watched the show at Molson in Toronto on Wednesday the 25th. They included some additional vocals from the Rev and orchestra parts; none of those elements could be performed live so they really had no choice but to use tracks.
Shadows sang certain parts pretty different from the studio recordings to accommodate his live performance (for example, he lowered certain parts to avoid straining his voice) so why would he use a backing track?
And Dave Draiman's voice cracked multiple times during the first half of their performance...just saying.
So what if he's using some backing tracks. Who here has played live music before? I know, a lot of us, probably. Ever been tired after a gig? If you say no, you're full of it. Now try living the life these guys live. Abusing your mind and body on a daily basis for years and years and years, sleeping very little, and in tiny uncomfortable beds, and all the while expending every ounce of natural and artificial energy you have night in and night out. And still putting out a high-end recorded and live product. From where I'm sittin, it's a miracle these bands can play live at all.
It's their job. It's it's too tough, they shouldn't be doing it - they get to live the life all of us have dreamed of, and I know it isn't all it's cracked up to be, but does that excuse them from doing the ONE THING they're paid (a lot of money) to do?
This is a general statement about lip-syncing and backing tracks in 'live' music, I'm staying out of the specifics of Scott Weiland - although it certainly looks the way the article says it does, there's nowhere near enough evidence from that video.
Avenged Sevenfold definitely use vocal tracks. Saw them this past weekend on Uproar, and M. Shadow's voice was heard whether or not his mouth was moving.
Disturbed on the other hand, didn't appear to, as Dave Draiman is a great vocalist unlike M. Shadows.
dude were u high at that concert?? I saw them in Toronto. There was no lip syncing. id bet a years salary on that as they would stop mid song to get the crowd going.. Like Critical Acclaim when he gets the crowd screaming "HEY!" thats not how the real son actually goes, disturbed on the other hand, great band, very boring performance
oh man i feel sorry for you if you believe this shit. m. shadows has horrible vocals. he used to be a "good" screamer. I pretty sure no body listens to A7X for the singing.
as for draiman. He has a VERY powerful voice, as a matter of fact i think a track with dave and a7f together would probably be a7x's best song vocally.
I highly doubt it's a backing track or ducking if you listen to the flaws in his singing. I'm super picky, and notice everything that's canned at a performance (Red and the overdubbed screams). Innocent until proven guilty guys. It's tough crap. Just deal with it.
Avenged Sevenfold definitely use vocal tracks. Saw them this past weekend on Uproar, and M. Shadow's voice was heard whether or not his mouth was moving.
Disturbed on the other hand, didn't appear to, as Dave Draiman is a great vocalist unlike M. Shadows.
M.Shadows > Dave Draiman
Painfully wrong so painfully wrong. But as for the STP thing, I am surprised that using your own music to help you live is such a horrible thing. This isn't metal were talking about. Granted its looked down upon but if you created it it should be yours to use as you see fit.
definitly not lip syncing if anything its ducking like someone above explained... as for the dumbass stupid megaphone, well thats another story entirely haha. Just sing Scott
Anyone who has ever been played live should know the number one rule is never stop playing/singing, no matter what. As a seasoned frontman, Scott would keep singing, regardless of his fall. He doesn' sing perfectly while down there, nor does he emerge until he has a break. No need for a backing track here. That's just him doing his job.
I don't like how one of the "eyewitnesses" doesn't even know Eric Kretz'(drummer) name. I believe someone whom says their a fan yet doesn't know the band's drummer's name isn't a fan at all and proves that they know nothing at all.
Ok, so TMZ reports that Scott Weiland falls and continues to sing 'like that rockstar he is' (and I quote). A person on the TMZ boards, yes the BOARDS, suggests that Scott Weiland may have been lip-synching, and UG is all over it? Man, **** that is ridiculous. The shitty tabloid website that first reported this didn't even say he was lip-synching, it was someone from the forums, and yet the drones on this website are quick to rag on someone else's credibility. STP are an amazing band, Scott Weiland is an amazing;y versatile performer and singer, and their live show is second to none.
LOL I gotta say Scott doesn't put a whole lot of Effort in Live shows, mostly why Velvet Revolver had to tune down on some songs to help his voice live.
I don't buy the backing track thing, he certainly never used one when I seen VR in St Paul in 2005, there he called out a red haired girl who gave him the finger and he said "FU RED HEAD" to her. Deffinitly not a backing Track and I'm not a Scott Butt Buddy either.
I dont care how drugged up someone is, their not gonna accidentally fall in a 6 foot hole with a microphone and a megahorn and not **** up their vocal preformance atleast a little. I mean the guy doesnt miss a beat. Also notice, he doesnt get back up immediately, he waits until the solo starts to get back up.
definitly not lip syncing if anything its ducking like someone above explained... as for the dumbass stupid megaphone, well thats another story entirely haha. Just sing Scott
Uh... the megaphone is part of the song. And he is singing. Into the megaphone.
If he were to not use the megaphone, the only way to achieve the same sound live would be to use something, I don't know, like a backing track.
definitly not lip syncing if anything its ducking like someone above explained... as for the dumbass stupid megaphone, well thats another story entirely haha. Just sing Scott
Uh... the megaphone is part of the song. And he is singing. Into the megaphone.
If he were to not use the megaphone, the only way to achieve the same sound live would be to use something, I don't know, like a backing track.
Dumbass.
Tell it like it is.
Ackj wrote:
Avenged Sevenfold definitely use vocal tracks. Saw them this past weekend on Uproar, and M. Shadow's voice was heard whether or not his mouth was moving.
Disturbed on the other hand, didn't appear to, as Dave Draiman is a great vocalist unlike M. Shadows.
No shit. The band write songs that have at least six guitar tracks on top of each other and multiple vocal parts. There's going to be some. You think the have an orchestra hidden behind the stage?
Wow. SO many people will believe anything they read.
How can you judge by that clip that he was lip syncing? So many are "sad" and are disappointed in STP.
Weilands always got his face in the crowd, gets the crowd into songs, messes up lyrics almost mightly .. to claim he is lip syncing based on that clip is nuts. Epsecially people who were there by they rails said there was no lip syncing.
People are making a 5 foot drop sound like a 30ft drop.
oh man i feel sorry for you if you believe this shit. m. shadows has horrible vocals. he used to be a "good" screamer. I pretty sure no body listens to A7X for the singing.
as for draiman. He has a VERY powerful voice, as a matter of fact i think a track with dave and a7f together would probably be a7x's best song vocally.
*face ****in' palm*
I love when people post stuff about bands they don't listen to. You probably think that bands like Hinder and Seether have good vocals too, because they are just as much generic radio rock as Disturbed. Only difference is, Disturbed drop-tune their guitars whereas other radio rock bands don't.
to be fair, he stayed down while he was singing and only got up at the beginning of the solo. he wasnt singing WHEN he fell, so its hard to tell whether it is a backing track or not in my opinion.
Unless this is disproven, I will never support this band again.
I take it you're not a fan of "innocent until proven guilty?"
ticklemeemo wrote:
newageweirdo wrote:
Iliekgitaz wrote:
Ackj wrote:
M.Shadows > Dave Draiman
oh man i feel sorry for you if you believe this shit. m. shadows has horrible vocals. he used to be a "good" screamer. I pretty sure no body listens to A7X for the singing.
as for draiman. He has a VERY powerful voice, as a matter of fact i think a track with dave and a7f together would probably be a7x's best song vocally.
*face ****in' palm*
I love when people post stuff about bands they don't listen to. You probably think that bands like Hinder and Seether have good vocals too, because they are just as much generic radio rock as Disturbed. Only difference is, Disturbed drop-tune their guitars whereas other radio rock bands don't.
Lol that's pitiful, I would say there's no doubt that it's a backing track but his performance sounds so bad to begin with lol, that I couldn't imagine using a pre recorded track and sounding that bad.
I just stp and a7x a day apart. From what i can tell neither of them were syncing. Stp even had a fan come on stage and sing into the megaphone for a song and then handed the mic back to scott who then sang the rest. A7x i don't think use vocal tracks except for the rev vocal tracks which is obvious why. I have seen a7x 3 times and they sound different at different parts each time, unless they keep changing their vocal tracks, they are not syncing.
On the live performance of them live in Chicago at the Riviera Theater, if you watch an audience filmed video of Plush, after the first chorus, you can see Scott trip and fall on the ground and get back up quickly and continue to sing fine. You wont see this on the official TV version, they replaced that moment with a shot of Dean and Robert's legs, but right before they cut away, you can see Scott walking/falling backward toward the drums and then they cut away. I think he's just good at singing and not losing form.
I just stp and a7x a day apart. From what i can tell neither of them were syncing. Stp even had a fan come on stage and sing into the megaphone for a song and then handed the mic back to scott who then sang the rest. A7x i don't think use vocal tracks except for the rev vocal tracks which is obvious why. I have seen a7x 3 times and they sound different at different parts each time, unless they keep changing their vocal tracks, they are not syncing.
too hard to say for sure, probably they are not syncing.
They were definitely using a backing vocal track. RIGHT after he falls you can hear singing come back in perfectly.
Just think if you were walking with a mic and a speaker phone in your hand and all of a sudden fell w/o warning, first thing you would do is drop whatever is in your hands to break your fall.. He was cheating
Avenged Sevenfold definitely use vocal tracks. Saw them this past weekend on Uproar, and M. Shadow's voice was heard whether or not his mouth was moving
I saw them in Buffalo, I probably know what you're talking about. The Rev had some prominent vocal sections in Critical Acclaim and Afterlife, and they played a recorded track of his voice at the concert. I thought it was pretty respectful, personally. M. Shadows just kinda stood at the front with his hands folded, it's not like he was pretending to sing the Rev's parts.
if you look up "critical acclaim 2010" on youtube and watch the performance from montreal, you can see this exact thing. when the rev's vocal part comes up, shadows points to the sky.
Umm Avenged Sevenfold DO use backing tracks, but not like you're suggesting. I watched the show at Molson in Toronto on Wednesday the 25th. They included some additional vocals from the Rev and orchestra parts; none of those elements could be performed live so they really had no choice but to use tracks.
Shadows sang certain parts pretty different from the studio recordings to accommodate his live performance (for example, he lowered certain parts to avoid straining his voice) so why would he use a backing track?
And Dave Draiman's voice cracked multiple times during the first half of their performance...just saying.
Steven Tyler -2 (for Falling twice)
Scott Weiland -3 (For ducking)
Slash +1 (For being a badass and playing with a cracked, out of tune guitar after being tackled by a fan and not even falling over.)
Seen Uproar fest last Saturday and never crossed my mind that they were back tracking. Disturbed was definitely dead on but I heard differences in Avenges singing. But hey, thats why you see them live. Personally I think when he slip, he continued singing, not back track it. He is very talented and it wouldnt cross my mind that he could pull off something like that.
Steven Tyler -2 (for Falling twice)
Scott Weiland -3 (For ducking)
Slash +1 (For being a badass and playing with a cracked, out of tune guitar after being tackled by a fan and not even falling over.)
Avenged Sevenfold definitely use vocal tracks. Saw them this past weekend on Uproar, and M. Shadow's voice was heard whether or not his mouth was moving.
Disturbed on the other hand, didn't appear to, as Dave Draiman is a great vocalist unlike M. Shadows.
dude were u high at that concert?? I saw them in Toronto. There was no lip syncing. id bet a years salary on that as they would stop mid song to get the crowd going.. Like Critical Acclaim when he gets the crowd screaming "HEY!" thats not how the real son actually goes, disturbed on the other hand, great band, very boring performance
Alot of singers back up their vocals with a backing track. As long as they are singing live over the top of it that's fine so get over it people. Lip syncers should be hanged right enough.
it wouldnt have taken that long to get him out of that hole, im sure he just stayed there until it was convenient to actually get out without messing the vocal performance.
He probably kept singing while he fell. The point when he actually landed wouldn't have had him singing anyway (it seems). Chris Poland and Jason Newsted have both fallen over and gotten up after a phrase or two (Poland apparently cut up his arm too). Most seasoned performers are probably capable of this sort of stuff.
And shut up about A7X and Disturbed, it's not even relevant. They're both pop metal anyway, so credibility isn't really part of the deal.
Steven Tyler -2 (for Falling twice)
Scott Weiland -3 (For ducking)
Slash +1 (For being a badass and playing with a cracked, out of tune guitar after being tackled by a fan and not even falling over.)
So.... Slash wins, as usual.
Singer...
Singer...
Guitarist.
Wo nder who's gonna take the fall better?
i hate when people incorperate slash into everything, people swear as if hes god or something, all he does is play really good guitar
STP at Download was one of the funniest things i've seen, Scott off his head with the shakes and talking rubbish. Feel sorry for his band.
He really does suck now
And the Weiland Haters smell blood. He doesn't lip synch or use back tracks. He's got way too big an ego for that. I've seen him **** up too many times live and it's obvious there is no lip synching or backing vocals. I've seen him lose his place in songs, too, again obvious there is nothing shady going on. He didn't fall hard at the show and he landed on his feet.
Steven Tyler -2 (for Falling twice)
Scott Weiland -3 (For ducking)
Slash +1 (For being a badass and playing with a cracked, out of tune guitar after being tackled by a fan and not even falling over.)
So.... Slash wins, as usual.
Singer...
Singer...
Guitarist.
Wo nder who's gonna take the fall better?
i hate when people incorperate slash into everything, people swear as if hes god or something, all he does is play really good guitar
That was the point of differentiating their roles, to show that the argument was ten steps absurd. ^_^
I'm a singer. Scott is NOT lip syncing. This story is total bs. Typical UG really.
I know, right?
I've fallen onstage. You shout the expletives away from the mic and then keep singing. Its not like he NEEDED to sing the exact moment he went down, if it was perfect as he was falling, then maybe the duckers and synchers would have a case, but there's a time delay.
Does Angus Young guitar-synch when he falls and twirls onstage? No. Same idea here.
Look, simply put,I now believe that most of the people on this site have a very small level of education/schooling. I mean, form your own *ucking opinions people. Quit believing everything you hear and read.
I just saw STP the other night in Detroit. I have seen Scott perform 10 times in the past. The guy never has and never will synch his vocals. His live performances are too imperfect for that (although still incredible). The fact is that people are just weak minded in todays society. One person actually went as far as to say he is a big STP and is now done with the band. Wow, obviously, he isn't a big STP fan. If he was he would know that Scott's performances are authentic. The guy fell five feet, not off a building.
I still can't believe this is in the news. It's laughable and a diservice to Scott Weiland. STP is a phenomenal band. The only thing worse is Ultimate-Guitar posting it and then ommiting Scott Weiland from the top 50 frontmen list. Are you *ucking kidding me??? Scott is one of the greatest frontmen of all time. This site is a joke. I have used it for tabs for 10 years, and like someone else said above, I also am finished with this site.
Ultimate-Guitar has lost all credibility. There are numerous fans on boards who were at this show where Scott fell and saw him continue singing. And to the mindless saps unwilling to form a *ucking thought of their own, please teach your kids differently than your parents did you.Stop allowing others to form your opinions for you.
Also, one other small detail, why does it take the security so long to get Scott back on stage? It is because they are waiting for him to finish SINGING. If Scott was just laying on the floor would they not go help him up? They clearly were waiting for Scott to finish. It was clear that he was ok, as he was still performing. They simply waited for him to break so they could assist him. If the guy wasn't singing and laying in a pit, they would have jumped down to help him.
Ok #1 Ive seen then live, he messed up once. I guess they had the backing track ready for that huh? #2 When I saw them they took requests, as in anything you ask they will play. Somebody could have picked something really obscure Guess they had it ready for every single song huh? #3 Does anybody even know where this rumor got started?? TMZ the people that cover lindsey lohan bullshit, and britaney sphers shitting out baby's etc etc etc. This is total garbage and anybody that believes this, you're just as dumb as the people that read TMZ.
So what if he's using some backing tracks. Who here has played live music before? I know, a lot of us, probably. Ever been tired after a gig? If you say no, you're full of it. Now try living the life these guys live. Abusing your mind and body on a daily basis for years and years and years, sleeping very little, and in tiny uncomfortable beds, and all the while expending every ounce of natural and artificial energy you have night in and night out. And still putting out a high-end recorded and live product. From where I'm sittin, it's a miracle these bands can play live at all.
The point is that people are paying money to see them perform live. They aren't paying for the band to prerecord their performance and watch the band perform karaoke. I'm not saying that STP is doing this, but if they are then I'm very disappointed because it's cheap and it's not consistent with their psuedo-grunge roots.
I wonder if the tabloid headline about Scott (who is badass) has anything to do with the fact that UG is in bed with Slash (who I might add is also an extreme badass).
Scott Weiland is one of the last real rockstars. The guy is as real as it gets. If he has an off night, you will know. When Scott is on, which is often, nobody can touch him. Good or bad, he doesn't fake a damn thing.He changes words, and melodies all of the time while on stage. There is nothing prerecorded at an STP show. The guy is a true legend.
I would like to kick the Lisa Biello quoted in the article right in the mouth. What a stupid quote. She says it sounded like the drummer missed a beat but the band continued to play. WTF are they supposed to do Lisa, stop the show? Start the song all over because it was off beat for a moment? Seriously??
She then compares herself to Scott Weiland. Saying when I fall, I grunt, but Scott doesn't. IS this real? Is Lisa performing in front of thousands of people. Scott was probably hopped on adrenaline, it is the first song, and he has been performing all his life. I am sorry to crush Lisa's hubris but she isn't the frontman for a huge rock band. Seriously, this is the quote that UG is using to fuel this claim. S*hit is laughable.
I saw STP in '08, and there was a very audible crack in Scott's voice, with no backing. He even commented on it after the show. Saying "So you know this isn't fake Britney Spears s**t," or whatever.
oh man i feel sorry for you if you believe this shit. m. shadows has horrible vocals. he used to be a "good" screamer. I pretty sure no body listens to A7X for the singing.
as for draiman. He has a VERY powerful voice, as a matter of fact i think a track with dave and a7f together would probably be a7x's best song vocally.
Powerful voice but he uses the same singing technique over and over again. At least A7X throws in a little variety.. can you say "Dear God?"
Steven Tyler -2 (for Falling twice)
Scott Weiland -3 (For ducking)
Slash +1 (For being a badass and playing with a cracked, out of tune guitar after being tackled by a fan and not even falling over.)
So.... Slash wins, as usual.
I think the more fair verdict would be:
Scott Weiland +10 for falling off stage and continuing to sing
I created a username on here simply to defend Scott Weiland and the Stone Temple Pilots. I saw STP August 19 in Grand Rapids, MI (a few days before Cincy show) and was in the front row right in front of Scott. My friend right next to me at the show accidentally pulls Scott off stage during "Sex Type Thing" and from the video I think it is obvious he isn't lip synching. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GToWfYk9Mfs (fall occurs about twelve seconds in) Also at the same show during "Still Remains" Scott holds out the microphone and allows my same friend to sing a line from the song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XHJKSTR73E (3 minutes 10 seconds into video)
I love using UG for tabs and music news but after they post an article making accusations like this based on very weak evidence I don't think I'll be returning to this site.
At first I was worried but after I watched these videos it's obvious he's not synching.
I once saw him fall pretty bad and I can say, without a doubt, he WAS singing. This was in 2009 during his solo tour in NJ and I was 90 degrees off from the front of the stage and 30 feet away with a perfect unobstructed view. His lead guitar player (big oaf looking guy) lost his buddy holly glasses and was on all fours feeling around for them and not playing his part. Weiland was in front of him unaware and walked backwards, collided with his horizontal back, and fell over backwards. He goes down hard and ends up on his back and doesn't make a mistake but the impact was slightly audible. So he is just lyin there on the ground singing trying not to F it up and the rest of the band starts to realize the situation that has just unfolded and they lay down on the stage as well, sans drummer, to make it look like they planned it or something and the whole bands ends of playing the song like that until Scott stands up 10 - 15 seconds later. That wasn't that long ago and he performed flawlessly during the whole thing.
This whole article was pointless, it's apparent he wasn't lip synching. God forbid anyone get's credit for being talented and professional. If I were anyone involved with STP I would drop any involvement with this site like a bad habit...
The vocals are not perfect. He is flat on a couple notes in the beginning. Also, the vocals through the megaphone sound pretty shitty at times. And knowing Scott, he kept singing when he fell because he's the man. You can see he doesn't get up until there is a significant break in the vocals, aka the guitar solo.
Ok big stp fan seen them live 100% fully sang at that concert. Been listening for around 15 years and core is one of my fav cds of all time i know the studio versus live vocals.
Scott truly is half the man he used to be from aging and drug use so even i was debating over if this was lip sync'd but i a/b tested the studio and live and he is 100% singing. Comes in like a 1/4 second late and doesnt sound like the studio track. Case closed.
it does seem abit suss he keeps singing as it looks like he hit his head pretty hard, also in my experience using a megaphone that close to a microphone usually creates a shitload of feedback, but it depends on alot of factors- wattage etc- if he is syncing tho i think it would be a live recording as his voice doesnt sound spot on
Ok big stp fan seen them live 100% fully sang at that concert. Been listening for around 15 years and core is one of my fav cds of all time i know the studio versus live vocals.
Scott truly is half the man he used to be from aging and drug use so even i was debating over if this was lip sync'd but i a/b tested the studio and live and he is 100% singing. Comes in like a 1/4 second late and doesnt sound like the studio track. Case closed.
Dude I'm with you and I love STP but who is too say that they don't use previously recorded live tracks?
many artists use backing tracks and sing over them. f.e. ramstein, coldplay... and now stp. There are many times when you can hear in many bands performances, when the backing track and the real voice sound differently.
ill start this post off by saying i dont like STP so this isnt me being a fanboy. but he's clearly not lip syncing. you can't see ANYTHING from this sh!t camera angle and quality but you can clearly hear that he does stumble over his words and also whos gunna use an out of time/tune backing track? i'm sorry but there really isn't some huge conspiracy.
I'm not saying he did or did not for sure, because I do not know, but has it occurred to anyone that if he was lip syncing, his sound guy would of stopped the vocal track as soon as he fell, as to not let everyone on to it?
I saw them a month ago or so, and he was definitely not lip syncing. I could tell because his vocals weren't perfect, and sometimes he stopped singing for a second to move around.
i dont think hes lip synchin but a backing track can be used just to amp up the vocals. ie doubling up jsut to sound louder. the only reason i say this is that the part with the megaphone being used, sounds the same after the fall, where he couldnt use the megaphone cause it was damaged during the fall. he turned his back to fix it but gave up and cupped his hands. BUT
the only thing that bothers me about the video is that his bandmate didn't even go near that area when he fell LMAO I mean its not liek you can't notice a fall like that LOL
I am not a big fan of STP and I seriously don't think he was lip syncing. You can hear the vocals change a little (get quieter) and he wanted to finish his lines before he got pulled out. Plus he never used the megaphone on the last parts. I thought it was funny when he got out the hole he went to the drums and set the megaphone down like this FU*#n thing about killed me dammit. I give him props for hanging in there like that.
How is this evidence that he was lip singing. He could have fallen and just kept singing. I gotta admit that this is a pretty retarded article and the fact that it is on the top news headlines on Ultimate Guitar makes me a very disappointed in the website as a whole.
And also take care to notice that it has been Ultimate Guitar's top news thread for two days now. Please feel free to stop using this site as many people have already done. Ultimate-Guitar owes Mr. Scott Weiland an apology. Until then, I fear they have lost a few dozen users.
oh man i feel sorry for you if you believe this shit. m. shadows has horrible vocals. he used to be a "good" screamer. I pretty sure no body listens to A7X for the singing.
as for draiman. He has a VERY powerful voice, as a matter of fact i think a track with dave and a7f together would probably be a7x's best song vocally.
I'm pretty sure A7X blew up in popularity mostly in part because of his great vocals, and screamingless, in City of Evil. Personally, I find Draiman and Shadows to be both amazing singers. I wouldn't be able to decide on which is best, to be honest.
Avenged Sevenfold definitely use vocal tracks. Saw them this past weekend on Uproar, and M. Shadow's voice was heard whether or not his mouth was moving.
Disturbed on the other hand, didn't appear to, as Dave Draiman is a great vocalist unlike M. Shadows.
This is relevant how? This is about STP not A7X. I've seen A7X and STP. They both DO NOT lip-sync. M. Shadows may not be the best vocalist, but he doesn't lip-sync. I've seen A7X twice, his voice sounds different than the CD. So shut up, I don't see you selling millions of records. so until you do,keep you mouth shut.
oh man i feel sorry for you if you believe this shit. m. shadows has horrible vocals. he used to be a "good" screamer. I pretty sure no body listens to A7X for the singing.
as for draiman. He has a VERY powerful voice, as a matter of fact i think a track with dave and a7f together would probably be a7x's best song vocally.
I'm pretty sure A7X blew up in popularity mostly in part because of his great vocals, and screamingless, in City of Evil. Personally, I find Draiman and Shadows to be both amazing singers. I wouldn't be able to decide on which is best, to be honest.
exactly, they are both very good singers.. the people who disagree obviously don't listen either of the bands enough.. +1
lol okay you fools. i listened to stp in the 90's and avenged sevenfold in the early 2000's and they are and always will be OVERRATED.
avenged sevenfold is a talentless garbage pile and so is scott weiland.
keep wasting your time and money on bands that don't give a shit enough about any of you to actually perform or want to sound good. both are near talentless and have always been overrated. if you like avenged sevenfold then that is enough said, i feel sorry for all of you.
if you want a real show with real vocals, instruments and musicians...
go watch the foo fighters or queens of the stone age.
and before any of you assclowns try to say anything, i have seen avenged sevenfold and scott weiland live and they are terrible wastes of cash/time i will never get back. A7X as a band combined with their fanbase remind me of the jonas brothers and their fans. they are exactly the same and none of you sheep will never change. follow whatever is in front of your face and turn your back on them when they end up like GNR in the last decade.
guitar4life24 wrote:
This is relevant how? This is about STP not A7X. I've seen A7X and STP. They both DO NOT lip-sync. M. Shadows may not be the best vocalist, but he doesn't lip-sync. I've seen A7X twice, his voice sounds different than the CD. So shut up, I don't see you selling millions of records. so until you do,keep you mouth shut.
It's relevant because the discussion is about real bands performing without backing tracks. And obviously they don't just pull their CD off a walmart shelf and play along to that. When bands play to a backing track, its a "live" cd that they use, that has all of the different parts they change up for the live version. Whoever said "it's not pre-recorded because the 'hey! hey' part is only done live" if they have synchronized fireballs that match the words, they've clearly planned ahead on that live edit. Whoever said "that was the Rev's vocal part", no, I recall M. Shadow's voice without his mouth moving during Nightmare, where the Rev obviously did not sing.
As I've said in a previous post (apparently was deleted) I am a fan of a7x's CDs, but live they don't do it for me. I'm not just some hater, I'm fan who's been somewhat disappointed each of the 3 times I've seen them.
Everyone's complaining about this and that and how technology is ruining music and whatnot, but was I the only person that actually laughed when I saw him fall off the stage?
I friggin lost it. It took 3 watches before I could even watch for him lip-synching.
One Other Thing. If he did Grunt or make a sound when he fell, it wouldn't really be audible over the music. Could he have just not grunted into the microphone. BS Claim.
Haha, I just saw them in pittsburgh on sat and they opened with crackerman! Then scott starts talking about the accusations and that technology sux and he has ALWAYS sung at his live performances. It seemed legit, including a major f-up in 'tripin'. btw tons of songs from core and purple, great show, uyp there wit metallica!
Redfinton22 wrote:
@Ackj, Disturbed are a piece of shit. You lose
That's not the argument though, the argument is either about STP or A7X lip-syncing. Who you think is shit has nothing to do with those two bands lip syncing or not when they play live.
And also take care to notice that it has been Ultimate Guitar's top news thread for two days now. Please feel free to stop using this site as many people have already done. Ultimate-Guitar owes Mr. Scott Weiland an apology. Until then, I fear they have lost a few dozen users.
Easy there, Rosa Parks. UG doesn't update on weekends. If something makes the news on Friday, it'll be there until they update on Monday. Jeez...
And also take care to notice that it has been Ultimate Guitar's top news thread for two days now. Please feel free to stop using this site as many people have already done. Ultimate-Guitar owes Mr. Scott Weiland an apology. Until then, I fear they have lost a few dozen users.
Easy there, Rosa Parks. UG doesn't update on weekends. If something makes the news on Friday, it'll be there until they update on Monday. Jeez...
whatever... nobody likes scott weiland anyway... and if they do they probobly like coldplay and U2 as well -.- so yeah. as he said. please stop using the site
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