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Smashing Pumpkins To Become A 'Singles Band'

artist: smashing pumpkins date: 12/11/2008 category: general music news
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Smashing Pumpkins To Become A 'Singles Band'

The Smashing Pumpkins released 2007’s "Zeitgeist" to mixed reviews and underwhelming numbers compared to previous releases and this, according to frontman Billy Corgan, is one of the reasons he’s considering never releasing a full album with the band again.

In an interview with the Chicago Tribune, Billy Corgan expressed his interest in becoming a band that only releases singles from now on. Talking about "Zeitgeist", he says, "We're done with that. There is no point. People don't even listen to it all. They put it on their iPod, they drag over the two singles, and skip over the rest." He adds, "Our primary function now is to be a singles band that drives Pumpkins Inc through singles. We'll still be creative, but in a different form."

He later talks about how he would like the band to handle touring from now on. "We won't do shows like this anymore, where we try to draw a good crowd and balance the past with the present," he says. "We'll go small and do exactly what we want to do and stop playing catalogue. We'll be like a new band that can't rely on old gimmicks. I'm not stupid. I want people to feel good about what we do. What we weren’t getting was excitement. We’re in the polarizing business. We don’t want a pat on the back: Good to have you back. We want a reaction, even if it’s a negative reaction."

The video for the band’s latest single, "G.L.O.W.", debuted on the band’s Myspace on December 2.

Report by David Lowe-Bianco.

POSTED: 12/11/2008 - 10:42 am
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LifesSweetDrug wrote on 12/11/2008 - 10:49 am / quote |
How about not releasing another Single again?

I don't about everyone else but I prefer a album to a single. I can't stand just have single tracks.

Tip to Corgan: Make a decent album if you want people to listen and like it.
     
Axl_Explosion wrote on 12/11/2008 - 11:40 am / quote |
LifesSweetDrug wrote:

How about not releasing another Single again?

I don't about everyone else but I prefer a album to a single. I can't stand just have single tracks.

Tip to Corgan: Make a decent album if you want people to listen and like it.


Ya know, here recently I've found myself liking Billy Corgan less and less. He's starting to develop this kind of Axl Rose attitude, except with the talent and fame that Axl Rose has to back it up. You can bash Axl Rose all you want to, I love the guy, but you can not deny that he is one of the all time greatest frontmen in music history, and what he can do on the stage is what allows him to get away with a looooot of stuff, whereas Billy Corgan was nothing without the original Pumpkins lineup, as we've seen. And after watching the Pumpkins DVD that was released not too long ago and just seeing his attitude in general, and then this, I mean, maybe it's just me, but it seems like Corgan is trying too hard to be a ROCK STAR then just being a musician. If you worried more about the music, then maybe your last album wouldn't have sucked and you wouldn't be in the position you're in now.

...just a thought...
     
Axl_Explosion wrote on 12/11/2008 - 11:41 am / quote |
sorry for the double post --

*withOUT the talent and fame
     
Galvatron wrote on 12/11/2008 - 12:05 pm / quote |
What a baby.

What is he doing in that picture?
Playing with his lightsabers?
     
edbert wrote on 12/11/2008 - 12:11 pm / quote |
LifesSweetDrug wrote:
Tip to Corgan: Make a decent album if you want people to listen and like it.


this
     
kgesme21 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 12:24 pm / quote |
And so begins the de-evoltion into singles. I know Corgan seems to be suffering from that whole messaih complex that frontment of bands get, but he's right about the iPod thing and I could totally see more and more bands doing this. And it will suck. Hard.
     
ravioli123 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 12:29 pm / quote |
How insulting, I thought that Zeitgeist was a fantastic album, I could listen to that album straight through, its not on par with the older albums, but its a completely different direction, so I wouldn't even think of comparing them.
But for Billy to say that his own fans would buy an album and not listen all the tracks?? His fan base are the alternative crowd, and the Smashing Pumpkins are not a throwaway pop band with a few good hits, it would be an insult to ignore the majority of an album and its an insult to assume that his own die-hard fans do that.
The bottom line here is money, he wants to release less tracks and make more money from it, disgraceful. An album is a complete piece of work, it should be a document of a period of creative process, you can't release your expressions in the same way through a single.
     
Road Eyes wrote on 12/11/2008 - 12:31 pm / quote |
This is ridicoulous, the pumpkins hav
e always been an album band imo and only releasing singles is against what i like about them. It's very annoying that he is bowing to peoples listening habits and just releasing singles as thats all he feels people listen to. Imagine if he'd done that with Siamese dream, it would have just being an album of pop songs like today.

It seems he makes music for the wrong reasons nowadays.I'd prefer that they just toured and didn't release any new music, like the pixies did when they reformed, then do this. Next he'll only release singles through guitar hero.
     
GuitarJunkie wrote on 12/11/2008 - 12:36 pm / quote |
I'm sick of billy corgan, it can't seem to find enough things to bitch about boo ****ing hoo some people don't listen to the whole album yadda yadda yadda...blow me billy no one cares.
     
GuitarJunkie wrote on 12/11/2008 - 12:37 pm / quote |
kgesme21 wrote:

And so begins the de-evoltion into singles. I know Corgan seems to be suffering from that whole messaih complex that frontment of bands get, but he's right about the iPod thing and I could totally see more and more bands doing this. And it will suck. Hard.


I disagree with him, if people only wanted to listen to the singles why would they waste the money buying the entire album when they could buy those two songs for two dollars. Billy Corgan = Rock Diva
     
GuitarJunkie wrote on 12/11/2008 - 12:38 pm / quote |
Sorry to triple post buttt...if he really thinks people arn't listening to the entire album (when he really has no evidence to prove that whatsoever) is that not a subconscious way of saying the rest of the album isn't worth listening to?
     
Soozy wrote on 12/11/2008 - 12:40 pm / quote |
How bout this? Don't release an album until every song on the cd is good enough to be a single. You shouldn't have to be a 'singles' band. If you make a quality cd, every song on it should have potential to be a single in your eyes. Obviously, other than noise fillers, like intros/outros to songs.

Him saying that he wants to be a singles band is the equivalent of him saying he has decided to sell out hard core. I can acknowledge the whole iPod thing, but I regularly listen to cds in their entirety on my iPod if it's a good cd. If it's not, then I skip around.

It's like he thought the return of SP would be the second coming and now that it's not, he's like 'We're just too good for you...you don't appreciate our music' What an a-hole.

Man, sorry for the rant haha
     
TastyMooglePie wrote on 12/11/2008 - 12:40 pm / quote |
lol @ coldplay as picture
     
Guitar Villain wrote on 12/11/2008 - 12:41 pm / quote |
kgesme21 wrote:

And so begins the de-evoltion into singles. I know Corgan seems to be suffering from that whole messaih complex that frontment of bands get, but he's right about the iPod thing and I could totally see more and more bands doing this. And it will suck. Hard.


I completely agree and am saddened by this. He is creating the singles-only precedent, but unlike trent reznor's/radiohead's latest moves, This will only serve to commoditize music and actually be a detriment for future artists.

The man also needs to drop the Pumpkins name, cause he is killing that legacy, quick!
     
Stampede wrote on 12/11/2008 - 12:42 pm / quote |
Galvatron wrote:

What a baby.

What is he doing in that picture?
Playing with his lightsabers?


hahaha.
agreed. a baby indeed.
     
rebreh wrote on 12/11/2008 - 12:51 pm / quote |
I think he does have point with people only buying singles.Most people now a days just get one or two songs they heard on radio on itunes,or they download it illegally
     
gallagher2006 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 12:51 pm / quote |
I don't understand this band anymore. Billy went solo, breaking up the band, and received poor reviews etc, and now he's "reformed" the band, but it's still essentially a solo project.

Maybe it's not the name he needs, maybe it's a better sound if he wants to be relevent in popular culture again.
     
heebblow101 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 12:51 pm / quote |
Billy Corgan is passe, hes history so is this band
     
GuitarJunkie wrote on 12/11/2008 - 12:53 pm / quote |
Soozy wrote:

How bout this? Don't release an album until every song on the cd is good enough to be a single. You shouldn't have to be a 'singles' band. If you make a quality cd, every song on it should have potential to be a single in your eyes. Obviously, other than noise fillers, like intros/outros to songs.

Him saying that he wants to be a singles band is the equivalent of him saying he has decided to sell out hard core. I can acknowledge the whole iPod thing, but I regularly listen to cds in their entirety on my iPod if it's a good cd. If it's not, then I skip around.

It's like he thought the return of SP would be the second coming and now that it's not, he's like 'We're just too good for you...you don't appreciate our music' What an a-hole.

Man, sorry for the rant haha


seconded
     
glowinghamster4 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 12:56 pm / quote |
i gotta say its really nice to hear an interview with billy where he actually admits he fd up. not that im really that excited about the new pumpkins anyway they have yet to release a song that impresses me
     
GuitarSymphony wrote on 12/11/2008 - 12:56 pm / quote |
I actually like Billy's attitude. He's not fooling around. "Baby"? Please! He's getting very serious and considering the listener as well. For all you know The Pumpkins might dish out more new tracks in a consistent manner than having us to wait forever and half to get a new CD. As compared to other pumpkin albums, Zeitgeist is lackluster, and that's just the bottom line. All the songs pretty much sound the same.

I say, let's give the pumpkins the benefit of the doubt and see how this singles thing works out. We're in the digital age and this might just be the next step.

And whoever the hell compared Axl Rose to Billy Corgan has no idea what they are talking about.
     
mikko 9119 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 01:02 pm / quote |
this is just my opinion, but it seems he's just trying to hide from the fact he hasn't been writing great stuff lately. and is trying to find different ways to be accepted by the critics, and not by himself or the fans.
thats just me tho.
     
Lohnanmilitia wrote on 12/11/2008 - 01:03 pm / quote |
I say this pompous ******* should just shut his ****ing mouth and retire. His last tour sucked. No one listens to the full album because it sucks. Smashing Pumpkins stopped being good years ago. All it is Billy Corgan with Jimmy Chamberlin just tagging along. His last tour was atrocious. Didn't even play the good stuff from the catalogue. The fans see it, now he just needs to see it.
     
eoiniscool wrote on 12/11/2008 - 01:04 pm / quote |
maybe people would have put the whole album on their ipod if it was good...maybe people would get excited at shows if the show was worth getting excited about.

then he says he wants a reaction,even if its negative. are the two aforementioned reactions negative ones?
what a cock.
     
the_maestro wrote on 12/11/2008 - 01:12 pm / quote |
I love the bashing of Corgan and Zeitgeist. I also love the fact that everyone sees this a s a threat to music. This was done in the past and like everything music works in cycles. The Pumpkins aren't the only people who have expressed interest in doing things this way either.

Lots of bands record material that is very good, but it doesn't fit on the record so it would either be released as a B-side or not at all.

I love albums and hope that they don't die out, but I think this will benefit fans and bands more then labels in the long run.
     
jmetalf wrote on 12/11/2008 - 01:19 pm / quote |
Wow he sounds kind of pissed off but he has a great point. This is definitely the direction that music is traveling and i think it's a shame but almost undeniable. I think part of the problem is that their style of music kind of is dying and on top of that their last record wasn't that great but still. probably 20 years down the road very few records will be released by established bands.
     
selloutpunx wrote on 12/11/2008 - 01:20 pm / quote |
good bands will continue making good albums, mediocre bands will start doing this.
     
omggwtfbbq wrote on 12/11/2008 - 01:20 pm / quote |
i don't care what people say.
if you don't like the pumpkins, then don't listen to them. it's not that hard.
as for me... i'm going to continue supporting billy.
     
 element4433   m   wrote on 12/11/2008 - 01:23 pm / quote |
Checked
     
vIsIbleNoIsE wrote on 12/11/2008 - 01:25 pm / quote |
sore loser?
     
flintazra wrote on 12/11/2008 - 01:30 pm / quote |
We need to make a clone of Billy-from-the-90s, replace the present Billy with 90's-Billy, and bring James and D'arcy back into the band with Jimmy. Do this everytime Billy's ego gets to big and threatens to break up the Pumpkins. It'll work, I tell you.
     
giginthesky wrote on 12/11/2008 - 01:30 pm / quote |
Music as a whole is in a terrible state right now and it'll get worse before it gets better
     
xBLITZKRIEGx wrote on 12/11/2008 - 01:31 pm / quote |
He's just being realistic. The business has changed.
     
wormtongue wrote on 12/11/2008 - 01:40 pm / quote |
check this out...the encore at the pumpkins gig in wellington in march of this year...he made the crowd sing happy bday to him...TWICE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSfrVUAdVOM
     
.:st.anger:. wrote on 12/11/2008 - 01:45 pm / quote |
who cares - SP's suck
     
stumaster18 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 01:54 pm / quote |
LifesSweetDrug wrote:

How about not releasing another Single again?

I don't about everyone else but I prefer a album to a single. I can't stand just have single tracks.

Tip to Corgan: Make a decent album if you want people to listen and like it.


Stole the words from my mouth. He's trying to make up an excuse for writing a horrible album (Zeitgeist)
     
freshtunes wrote on 12/11/2008 - 01:57 pm / quote |
Billy Corgan is a smart guy. He is looking at the market and realizing what he needs to do to keep this band alive, and be a happy musician as well.
     
MetalGear1786 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 02:02 pm / quote |
freshtunes wrote:

Billy Corgan is a smart guy. He is looking at the market and realizing what he needs to do to keep this band alive, and be a happy musician as well.


Put out an album worth a shit and id buy it. Just get the real pumkins back togeather for shits sake.
     
Red_Hot_Fuzz wrote on 12/11/2008 - 02:06 pm / quote |
flintazra wrote:

We need to make a clone of Billy-from-the-90s, replace the present Billy with 90's-Billy, and bring James and D'arcy back into the band with Jimmy. Do this everytime Billy's ego gets to big and threatens to break up the Pumpkins. It'll work, I tell you.

You sir, are a genius.
     
PaulieIommi wrote on 12/11/2008 - 02:11 pm / quote |
ya... his attitude will change eventually. No way Zeitgeist will be their last studio album.
     
Harry Heck wrote on 12/11/2008 - 02:16 pm / quote |
freshtunes wrote:

Billy Corgan is a smart guy. He is looking at the market and realizing what he needs to do to keep this band alive, and be a happy musician as well.


acting like axl rose?
     
Jet_Black88 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 02:17 pm / quote |
As much as I'd miss the albums, G.L.O.W. and SuperChrist are both fantastic songs, so as long as they keep releasing good music, no matter what form it's in, I'm going to be listening to it.
     
 uhh_me?   m   wrote on 12/11/2008 - 02:29 pm / quote |
checked...

oh billy, you are so egotistical and moody. sounds like the 90s all over again.
     
This1GoesTo11 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 02:37 pm / quote |
Is there anyone more pretentious than Billy Corgan?
     
SG Man Forever wrote on 12/11/2008 - 02:40 pm / quote |
Basically, to me what Corgan is saying is "we can't release a good album that works as an album, and our primary listeners are only listening to one song off each album"

Personally, even if I liked Smashing Pumpkins, I would interpret this as a very dickish move. Personally though, I'd prefer if he never released another single either.
     
midnightsky17 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 02:44 pm / quote |
I wonder how long it will be until the pumpkins break-up again? Will there be a new Zwan album coming soon? History does have a way of repeating itself.
     
AJRAD wrote on 12/11/2008 - 02:49 pm / quote |
albums > singles
     
BrickIsRed wrote on 12/11/2008 - 03:00 pm / quote |
Becoming a "singles band" seems to be another way of saying "I'm afraid of getting more bad album reviews".
     
ofreena wrote on 12/11/2008 - 03:01 pm / quote |
Soozy wrote:

How bout this? Don't release an album until every song on the cd is good enough to be a single. You shouldn't have to be a 'singles' band. If you make a quality cd, every song on it should have potential to be a single in your eyes. Obviously, other than noise fillers, like intros/outros to songs.

Him saying that he wants to be a singles band is the equivalent of him saying he has decided to sell out hard core. I can acknowledge the whole iPod thing, but I regularly listen to cds in their entirety on my iPod if it's a good cd. If it's not, then I skip around.

It's like he thought the return of SP would be the second coming and now that it's not, he's like 'We're just too good for you...you don't appreciate our music' What an a-hole.

Man, sorry for the rant haha


No kidding. Just make a quality CD if you want people to LISTEN to it. I don't use my iPod, but when I listen to the CD's I do tend to skip over some of it. I believe he should just make a quality cd, or get the damn REAL pumpkins back./
     
Jau_Peacecraft wrote on 12/11/2008 - 03:17 pm / quote |
He should change the band name to Pumpkins Inc. & get the bloody assassination of the band over with. Corgan is gutless; make a better album next time, idiot.
     
AngryGoldfish wrote on 12/11/2008 - 03:19 pm / quote |
I'm glad he has decided to rearrange their live shows and their methods of releasing material. Although I can't make a full determination because I haven't seen them live first hand, but I don't want to. I have had the chance to and, even though they used to be my favourite band, I didn't go. I would here reminiscing, memories and nostalgia, and I don't have the money for that. I would love to feel the fond thoughts all over again, but I want new ones more. That's why I don't like the Pumpkins as much as I used to. Their energy is gone.
     
dieloony2 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 03:24 pm / quote |
He just doesn't get it, it's cause PEOPLE WANT THE ORIGINAL PUMPKINS, not just corgan.

If the album had all the members, it would have done a LOT better, and the "reunion" would have been huge. and not ZWAN touring with pumpkins songs.

Also yea, make a better album.
     
Calvero wrote on 12/11/2008 - 03:26 pm / quote |
People, read Corgan's entry on their blog, he puts some stuff straight.

http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/pages/blog/clar ification-from-my-interview-greg-kot-in-chicago-tribune
     
whitestrat279 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 03:32 pm / quote |
Not that they already have sold out. This basically says to me"We're only going to capitalize on catch, over-played songs on the radio and itunes."
     
lord_yggdrasill wrote on 12/11/2008 - 03:46 pm / quote |
I'm disappointed.
Tis a shame. I hope at the shows they are going to play all their music, instead of just these "singles"
     
WALKE5 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 04:06 pm / quote |
I remember Muse saying something like this, scrapping the album format, but then turning around and saying, 'attually, that is a stupid idea, lets keep doing albums'.

The problem with the pumpkins is that they have always tried to be different, unfortunately after many years of being in the public eye/music bus is that you run out of ideas of how to be different. So it ends up being the same old shit of no more albums, only doing small shows, not playing old song blah, blah, blah!!!!! which all that accomplishes it alienating your fans.

Personally I think all the pumpkins ever were was to fill a void where grunge died, which it did for a few years, but it was never a long term thing. I suppose for many they mearnt something, but from what I read it sounds like they longer do!!!
     
Vivec wrote on 12/11/2008 - 04:09 pm / quote |
All he needs to do is Mellon Collie 2 and he'd be the king of the world. Smashing Pumpkins is about the Mellon Collie.
     
David_Bowie=GOD wrote on 12/11/2008 - 04:09 pm / quote |
LifesSweetDrug wrote:

How about not releasing another Single again?

I don't about everyone else but I prefer a album to a single. I can't stand just have single tracks.

Tip to Corgan: Make a decent album if you want people to listen and like it.


I completely agree with you, hes wrong when he says that people only listen to the singles. Some of the time(unless your one of those people who only listens to the radio) they only listen to the singles because they were the only good songs. I listen to the majority of siamese dream and mellon collie and the infinite sadness, not just the singles, you know why? Because they were fantastic albums. I only listen to one or two of the songs off of Zeitgeist, know why? Because it is one of the worst albums they have ever made.

I love(d) the smashing pumpkins, but I think they should just call it quits before Corgan loses all credibility and respect.
     
WALKE5 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 04:11 pm / quote |
I remember Muse saying something like this, scrapping the album format, but then turning around and saying, 'attually, that is a stupid idea, lets keep doing albums'.

The problem with the pumpkins is that they have always tried to be different, unfortunately after many years of being in the public eye/music bus is that you run out of ideas of how to be different. So it ends up being the same old shit of no more albums, only doing small shows, not playing old song blah, blah, blah!!!!! which all that accomplishes it alienating your fans.

Personally I think all the pumpkins ever were was to fill a void where grunge died, which it did for a few years, but it was never a long term thing. I suppose for many they mearnt something, but from what I read it sounds like they longer do!!!

(I apologise if this a double post, I hit the ****ing back button after posting it and then when you go back to the article your post is gone, so you cant tell if has been attually posted, so you cover all the bases and just post it again).
     
WALKE5 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 04:12 pm / quote |
Yeah I see that it has double post, dont worry I will learn from this mistake!!!!!
     
mrheaphy wrote on 12/11/2008 - 04:14 pm / quote |
i agree, the no-one listens to albums anymore, all my friends only listen to singles whereas i listen to albums
     
madefortvmovie wrote on 12/11/2008 - 04:19 pm / quote |
i don't get it. so he only wants to release singles that will go over well with lots of people? AND he is bitching about people going to shows and wanting to hear the old singles and other popular songs...? seems a bit contradictory.
     
FMNStratGuy wrote on 12/11/2008 - 04:22 pm / quote |
He's acting like a toddler when things don't go his way. "No one liked my CD, Well then I won't make any more CD's." There is opportunity to improve, but looks like he's taking the easy way out. I sense a large amount of immaturity from him.

Tip for Corgan: If you don't want to put out a CD, then just stop producing any music. Music stores are not gonna be happy stocking new singles everytime you go off in a mood.
     
thewho65 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 04:28 pm / quote |
He does realize that critics can give singles bad reviews too, right? I can understand what he's trying to go for, but I don't think you can just drop the album format conscientiously. I bet he'll write a bunch of stuff and then decide, "Oh shit, shouldn't have said that" and release an album.
     
true_bacon22 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 04:31 pm / quote |
What a cry baby. You can't possibly expect people to listen to your old stuff and prefer your new over it. Face it, your music in the future will be considered shit in light of Melleon Cholie so you're better off touring that material instead of mediocre Zeitgeist stuff.
     
TheWickerMan666 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 04:34 pm / quote |
People judge bands by what their latest album's like. Look at GnR -- loads of people hate Chinese Democracy, so now Guns 'N' Roses "suck".

If the Pumpkin's last album ever is Zeitgeist, they won't be remembered as kindly as if they keep going, and bring out another album, that's really good before they stop releasing albums.
     
soapalot wrote on 12/11/2008 - 04:40 pm / quote |
The difference between Billy Corgan in 1995 and now is just astonishing
     
Slashrulz wrote on 12/11/2008 - 04:42 pm / quote |
All the respect Corgan deserved from me, it's now lost.
My self, usually hates the singles and enjoys a lot more the other songs...
Now that talking about GNR is hip: Axl got away with it... Corgan obviously didn't.
For me Smashing Pumpkins died ten seconds before Zeitgeist was released.
     
therescue06 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 04:50 pm / quote |
[quote]wormtongue wrote:

check this out...the encore at the pumpkins gig in wellington in march of this year...he made the crowd sing happy bday to him...TWICE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSfrVUAdVOM[/q uote]

wow, gg.
     
BassFishin wrote on 12/11/2008 - 05:22 pm / quote |
Axl_Explosion wrote:

LifesSweetDrug wrote:

How about not releasing another Single again?

I don't about everyone else but I prefer a album to a single. I can't stand just have single tracks.

Tip to Corgan: Make a decent album if you want people to listen and like it.

Ya know, here recently I've found myself liking Billy Corgan less and less. He's starting to develop this kind of Axl Rose attitude, except with the talent and fame that Axl Rose has to back it up. You can bash Axl Rose all you want to, I love the guy, but you can not deny that he is one of the all time greatest frontmen in music history, and what he can do on the stage is what allows him to get away with a looooot of stuff, whereas Billy Corgan was nothing without the original Pumpkins lineup, as we've seen. And after watching the Pumpkins DVD that was released not too long ago and just seeing his attitude in general, and then this, I mean, maybe it's just me, but it seems like Corgan is trying too hard to be a ROCK STAR then just being a musician. If you worried more about the music, then maybe your last album wouldn't have sucked and you wouldn't be in the position you're in now.

...just a thought...


+1
     
BassFishin wrote on 12/11/2008 - 05:25 pm / quote |
the biggest thing is it's not too late for them to just keep playing their old stuff! He's acting like they're 60 years old, when in reality they still look young, and if they wanted to they could act young.

also, i hate how none of their new stuff is anything close to their old. I know for a fact that they could be way better but they refuse to play and write the kind of music that made them famous and unique. That's their fault. No sympathy to them at all.
     
guitaringnathan wrote on 12/11/2008 - 05:28 pm / quote |
hearing one of the most self indulgent recording artist in the business, someone who creates stuff that is long winded and some points makes you wonder what is going on
is now trying to become a band that releases singles to appeal to people....

what gives billy?
     
Ninjamonkey767 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 05:31 pm / quote |
SG Man Forever wrote:

Basically, to me what Corgan is saying is "we can't release a good album that works as an album, and our primary listeners are only listening to one song off each album"

Personally, even if I liked Smashing Pumpkins, I would interpret this as a very dickish move. Personally though, I'd prefer if he never released another single either.


Absolutely true.
     
EvilAngel93 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 05:31 pm / quote |
i think this is what i call "selling out" whenever he's mad that no one listens to the non-singles, so he just puts out radio-worthy stuff...i think its absolutely retarded, putting out only what people wanna hear instead of putting passion into the songs...that is what music should be about, not giving a damn about sucky reviews or what other people think, but apparently billy corgan has yet to grasp that.

In short, he should have made a better comeback album if he didn't want to come to this
     
Jerry Seinfeld wrote on 12/11/2008 - 05:34 pm / quote |
Galvatron wrote:

What a baby.

What is he doing in that picture?
Playing with his lightsabers?


Yes.

In the late 1990's NASA awarded actual lightsabres to grunge and alt-rock icons for their services to music.

Eddie Vedder has a purple one.
     
MTVget0FFtheAIR wrote on 12/11/2008 - 05:51 pm / quote |
imo, the artist shouldn't be concerned with the reception of their work. it perverts the creative writing process and makes what you hear fake.

I really don't like Corgan. His personal statements always seem to hit me the wrong way. I love the pumpkins and his voice and all that, just not him on a personal level.
     
JordanLennon wrote on 12/11/2008 - 05:52 pm / quote |
i have yet to find a positive comment on here, really. i actually think that this will be kind of cool. i don't understand how all of you became music critics all of a sudden. this industry is hard and i think that he's on to something here. my opinion of course.
     
Fuzzbox91 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 05:52 pm / quote |
good. less crappy music from them.
     
IndianRockStar wrote on 12/11/2008 - 05:54 pm / quote |
I really like Zeitgeist

I think its a fantastic album, so apparently I'm a Smashing Pumpkins fan :confused:
     
punkrocker10115 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 05:56 pm / quote |
What a prick.

Can you say sellout.
Disagree with me or not, this IS selling out.
     
51VH50 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 06:01 pm / quote |
billy corgan is probably the biggest bitch in music. he can go **** himself. he doesnt give two shits about the music or his fans. this is just sad.
     
LifesSweetDrug wrote on 12/11/2008 - 06:07 pm / quote |
LifesSweetDrug wrote:

How about not releasing another Single again?

I don't about everyone else but I prefer a album to a single. I can't stand just have single tracks.

Tip to Corgan: Make a decent album if you want people to listen and like it.


Sorry for my bad typo :P
     
murraysmithgers wrote on 12/11/2008 - 06:09 pm / quote |
GuitarSymphony wrote:

I actually like Billy's attitude. He's not fooling around. "Baby"? Please! He's getting very serious and considering the listener as well. For all you know The Pumpkins might dish out more new tracks in a consistent manner than having us to wait forever and half to get a new CD. As compared to other pumpkin albums, Zeitgeist is lackluster, and that's just the bottom line. All the songs pretty much sound the same.

I say, let's give the pumpkins the benefit of the doubt and see how this singles thing works out. We're in the digital age and this might just be the next step.

And whoever the hell compared Axl Rose to Billy Corgan has no idea what they are talking about.


You're exactly right
Axl and Billy are not comparable, Axl is actually talented.
     
JamesxHetfield wrote on 12/11/2008 - 06:11 pm / quote |
He's a dumbass. He know's that no one likes him anymore and he doesn't have the talent or idea's to put out another album so he'll just keep making shitty single's. Whatever..
     
radioplay wrote on 12/11/2008 - 06:13 pm / quote |
LifesSweetDrug wrote:

How about not releasing another Single again?

I don't about everyone else but I prefer a album to a single. I can't stand just have single tracks.

Tip to Corgan: Make a decent album if you want people to listen and like it.


i agree

im in the very tiny minority that actually really loved Zeitgeist...imo it ranks equal with Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie. So i want more actual albums. And Billy,if i recall correctly you released THREE singles from Zeitgeist. But to be fair, Thats the Way (My Love Is) was one of the worst songs on the cd.
     
SurferRosa92 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 06:22 pm / quote |
to everyone who thinks he's just now developing an axl rose complex, he's had it for years. he's always been a perfectionist and an uppity artist...some of the best are (can anyone say "roger waters"?)
but just like roger, some of his best is behind him (compare dark side/wish you were here to the later "final cut"...just like "siamese dream" to "zeitgeist"...it just happens. you just hope they don't have their head up their rear so far that they don't realize they should enjoy the fact that i pop in something like siamese dream and love every last minute of it. you have your fame and your fortune, billy. appreciate what you've created in the past like we have and shut the hell up.
     
Dmmrng wrote on 12/11/2008 - 06:29 pm / quote |
a singles band? THAT'S FUCKING GAY! enjoy you're negative reaction billy, i hope it makes you cum all over your pants.

so he's going to give up making albums because his last one didn't sell well? what a *****!
     
Shlecht wrote on 12/11/2008 - 06:32 pm / quote |
jesus UG, at least try. Billy Corgan CONSIDERED never releasing another full-length album. jesus. huge pet peeve.
     
Cathedral wrote on 12/11/2008 - 06:36 pm / quote |
Has nobody told him that hardly ANYONE sells singles anymore? The only reliable way to get singles now is through iTunes and not everyone has internet access. Let's not forget the paranoid ones who won't go near anything on the internet that requires a credit card. Talk about a foot-bullet Mr.Corgan
     
Superperfex wrote on 12/11/2008 - 06:36 pm / quote |
When will he realize that he is stupid. he cant make music.
the only good album was the double album.
     
Altered_Carbon wrote on 12/11/2008 - 06:46 pm / quote |
"Pumpkins Inc"?

Thanks for ruining my perspective of you, my adolescent hero.
     
Kotex wrote on 12/11/2008 - 06:48 pm / quote |
Maybe he should just make better albums and then people would want more than two songs off of the album.
     
playinbass1432 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 07:04 pm / quote |
He's just out of ideas and can't be bothered to churn out enough shit for an album.
     
Exo M7 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 07:09 pm / quote |
Maybe Billy Corgan should just stop making music all together, how about that.
     
Randompzycho wrote on 12/11/2008 - 07:15 pm / quote |
goddamnit Billy I hate what you've done to the pumpkins
     
newbie08 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 07:24 pm / quote |
Smashing Pumpkins music brings back so many good memories for me, very nostalgic, and I'm so pissed off at how Billy has ruined something so great.
     
Veritas69 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 07:26 pm / quote |
what a retard, if the albums were'nt shit and have only 2 good song people wouldnt only listen to two
     
Philly080 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 07:30 pm / quote |
I hope this doesn't mean uncomplicated simple 3 chord radio-songs with no originality. I hope Corgan isn't just trying to expand the audience by giving in to the general public. They need to keep creativity, make full albums, bands who release just singles always end up fading away from their old fans anyway. He should be happy with what he's got.
     
The Spoon wrote on 12/11/2008 - 08:08 pm / quote |
This is probably the definition of "selling out". He pretty much admitted it.
     
-heartbreaker- wrote on 12/11/2008 - 08:10 pm / quote |
The alienation of the fans continues...
     
AidanTDR wrote on 12/11/2008 - 08:15 pm / quote |
if he doesn't want to have to play the old songs he might as well have just formed a different band. now i didn't get zeitgeist, but i heard it had a few good tracks and some not so good tracks. billy corgan seems to want people to listen to the not so good ones...
in short, if he wants to just play new songs, why call it smashing pumpkins? it'll just be billy corgan anyway
     
"Tele" Steve wrote on 12/11/2008 - 08:17 pm / quote |
I've always known Billy had an ego but it seems in overdrive since the band reformed. I think he's having trouble dealing with the fact that this isn't the '90s anymore. I'm a huge SP fan but I'm kind of disappointed.
     
NemX162 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 08:35 pm / quote |
Good riddance to boring music!
     
HostileFTW wrote on 12/11/2008 - 08:35 pm / quote |
Lohnanmilitia wrote:

I say this pompous ***** should just shut his ****ing mouth and retire. His last tour sucked. No one listens to the full album because it sucks. Smashing Pumpkins stopped being good years ago. All it is Billy Corgan with Jimmy Chamberlin just tagging along. His last tour was atrocious. Didn't even play the good stuff from the catalogue. The fans see it, now he just needs to see it.

you didn't go to the last tour, did you?The show I went to, they played Soma, 1979, Bodies, Cherub Rock, Disarm, Cupid De Locke, Zero; All Fan Favorites.
     
SmokeyMcStoner wrote on 12/11/2008 - 08:36 pm / quote |
Man...Who IS Billy Corgan? He's not a big name, he can't be makin' calls like that...like...chill out, write better stuff instead of trying to be a big-shot...wtf.. -.-
     
Svennz wrote on 12/11/2008 - 08:46 pm / quote |
Jerry Seinfeld wrote:

Galvatron wrote:

What a baby.

What is he doing in that picture?
Playing with his lightsabers?

Yes.

In the late 1990's NASA awarded actual lightsabres to grunge and alt-rock icons for their services to music.

Eddie Vedder has a purple one.


lol is this actually true?
     
shadow__666 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 09:03 pm / quote |
If Corgan can just make GOOD singles rather than sh*t albums like Zeitgeist, as a devoted Pumpkins fan I'm happy.
     
thewicked66 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 09:18 pm / quote |
Ok, first of all, I really liked Zeitgeist, I think it was theyre best album because they interpreted more elements into it and it was heavier than all their ot6her stuff, I loved every song off of that.
I really think its stupid to make singles the rest of his career, but i guess as long as theyre good?...
     
bigjohnsta wrote on 12/11/2008 - 09:20 pm / quote |
just make a better album idiot, zeitgeist was terrible IMO.
     
HostileFTW wrote on 12/11/2008 - 09:20 pm / quote |
SmokeyMcStoner wrote:

Man...Who IS Billy Corgan? He's not a big name, he can't be makin' calls like that...like...chill out, write better stuff instead of trying to be a big-shot...wtf.. -.-

The man was an icon in the 90's! He was pretty much the Kurt Cobain after Kurt Cobain! He's the one who brought us the iconic Zero shirt!
     
meerkat129 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 09:21 pm / quote |
Recently, I've noticed that their acoustic songs have been alot stronger than their zeitgeist material. I think they should make a new album with more acoustic songs or at least not songs that sound like a punkish garage band would write. He needs to write songs that don't sound exactly like the previous one on the album. He just has to mix it up a bit.
     
kurtshapedbox wrote on 12/11/2008 - 09:21 pm / quote |
Booooo!!! =[
     
PluckU wrote on 12/11/2008 - 09:26 pm / quote |
corgan go kill yourself you miserable failure D:
i never judge anyone on myspace, but by the bulletins that are being posted, you failed billy...
     
CaptAwesome15 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 09:32 pm / quote |
Since when has it actually been Smashing Pumpkins anymore?
     
voidSkipper wrote on 12/11/2008 - 09:37 pm / quote |
Singles are boring.

But recently, Smashing Pumpkins are boring too.

So I guess it suits them.
     
Mr. Grieves wrote on 12/11/2008 - 09:42 pm / quote |
CaptAwesome15 wrote:

Since when has it actually been Smashing Pumpkins anymore?

2nd'd. This isn't Smashing Pumpkins, this is Billy Corgan and the Smashettes (his Smashing Pumpkins lookalike band) and he's just bitching because he obviously doesn't have any creative energy to put towards making a good album, so he's going to release a bunch of bad singles. This isn't about marketting, this is about a tired 90's artist who just won't fade away. Thank God nobody else in the band participated in this travesty. I never liked 90's Pumpkins that much, but their money-grubbing attempt at a comeback is just a sad, sad charade.
     
GUNIT! wrote on 12/11/2008 - 09:44 pm / quote |
"People don't even listen to it all. They put it on their iPod, they drag over the two singles, and skip over the rest."

obviously he's doing something wrong; maybe he should start making good music to get people interested again.
     
RainbowBassist wrote on 12/11/2008 - 09:53 pm / quote |
I think I've just lost what little respect I had for the Pumpkins... Corgan is quite egocentric, in my opinion, and if he can only write 2 good songs per album, she shouldn't be putting out music at all. Their old stuff was so good though!

     
Jaw Knee wrote on 12/11/2008 - 10:07 pm / quote |
Axl_Explosion wrote:

sorry for the double post --

*withOUT the talent and fame


You call screaming like you're having an orgasm talent? There's nothing talented about whining like a bitch because someone ripped off your album title, or spend 18 years making one CD. At least Corgan has the ability to say "i'm good, bit I'm not the best." whereas Axl cannot help but to have the spotlight always on him.
     
HeartandSoul wrote on 12/11/2008 - 10:08 pm / quote |
Being a singles band isn't all that bad if you can back it up with talent. Look at the Smiths, they just released singles for awhile and they were great. The Buzzcocks did it to, and then Singles Going Steady came out, which was fantastic. Everyone's expected to put out great albums, but there's nothing wrong with creating great singles. People put the album up as being the greatest achievement, but singles need to have their time again. But Billy Corgan does sound completely full of himself here.
     
leonkennedy74 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 10:10 pm / quote |
Wow...He really is a self absorbed Pr1ck. He should start bridging the gaps with the old members and just rock again. Or maybe he's just to late and he's nailed the last coffin shut with them; if so, than he should just stop making music under their name because his attitude is a disgrace to the whole band and their legacy shouldn't be marred like this.
     
Bunyip wrote on 12/11/2008 - 10:20 pm / quote |
LifesSweetDrug wrote:

How about not releasing another Single again?

I don't about everyone else but I prefer a album to a single. I can't stand just have single tracks.

Tip to Corgan: Make a decent album if you want people to listen and like it.


I though zeitgeist as an album was great
     
Paroxysm wrote on 12/11/2008 - 10:22 pm / quote |
This just means he can't write a good album anymore.
     
HeartandSoul wrote on 12/11/2008 - 10:25 pm / quote |
I just went to youtube and listened to Superchrist and apart from the slow, pretentious strings part, it wasn't that bad.
     
GoToSleep wrote on 12/11/2008 - 10:31 pm / quote |
They should have stopped for good in 2000. Corgan then could have a solo thing or have a new band with just him and jimmy c. Seems stupid to me to release more material under the same name when 2 former members are gone, times have changed, and you already released a bad album.
     
GivesYeHell wrote on 12/11/2008 - 10:32 pm / quote |
I never liked Smashing Pumpkins, to be honest.
To me, they've been one of those fly-by bands that you like for a moment, then they pass on and you forget about them.
And by the way, Axl_Explosion, I agree entirely with you about how Corgan is.
     
verona_bassist wrote on 12/11/2008 - 10:43 pm / quote |
HostileFTW wrote:

SmokeyMcStoner wrote:

Man...Who IS Billy Corgan? He's not a big name, he can't be makin' calls like that...like...chill out, write better stuff instead of trying to be a big-shot...wtf.. -.-

The man was an icon in the 90's! He was pretty much the Kurt Cobain after Kurt Cobain! He's the one who brought us the iconic Zero shirt!

the Cobain after Cobain...that's almost poetic
     
IamGod 666 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 10:45 pm / quote |
Superperfex wrote:

When will he realize that he is stupid. he cant make music.
the only good album was the double album.


not this
     
HostileFTW wrote on 12/11/2008 - 11:00 pm / quote |
GoToSleep wrote:

They should have stopped for good in 2000. Corgan then could have a solo thing or have a new band with just him and jimmy c. Seems stupid to me to release more material under the same name when 2 former members are gone, times have changed, and you already released a bad album.

Zeitgeist isn't really a bad album, it's just not that memorable. Some of the best parts are gone unheard because of the mediocre production,for example, Starz, there's a great guitar part that's overshadowed by Billy's voice.

Also, I'm guessing that many of the people calling Billy an egomaniac haven't actually taken time to listen to Siamese Dream, Gish, or Mellon Collie to understand why he's saying this. I wanted to hear Quiet on Monday, my sister who could care less about non-singles wanted to heard Today.
     
RUSTDOGG666 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 11:29 pm / quote |
Is this the future of music? no more writing albums and just write singles so that songs don't get skipped over? I skip over lots of songs and they are singles not just album songs so this will not work. He should just keep making albums and accept the skipping. or just quit smashing pumpkins and live off of past success. what does he need the money for? does he want to buy a 20th car or what?
     
scottss7 wrote on 12/11/2008 - 11:38 pm / quote |
publicity stunt
     
itmustbejesus wrote on 12/12/2008 - 12:17 am / quote |
theres nothing quite like a band publicly selling out
     
 element4433   m   wrote on 12/12/2008 - 12:47 am / quote |
Checkeded
     
Saverain wrote on 12/12/2008 - 12:48 am / quote |
sorry but the only way Smashing Pumpkins will stay alive is if the original members reunite.
     
somewhatdamaged wrote on 12/12/2008 - 12:54 am / quote |
the smashing pumpkins are one of my favorite bands, but honestly, billy need to pull his head out of his *** and stop acting like hes a savior to the world. i listened through zeitgeist all the way through on more than one occasion and i'll tell you i skip every song past united states because it's like he got dumped halfway through the making of the album and started writing sissy ass songs(with the exception of all the bonus tracks and come on let's go). i'm a big fan of adore by the way so don't go comparing that album to the filler on zeitgeist.
     
FretboardToAsh wrote on 12/12/2008 - 02:06 am / quote |
Of course, if you'd make decent music I can imagine there'd be people who'd start listening to you. Then again, I've never heard any from you.
     
MetalUpYourRear wrote on 12/12/2008 - 02:18 am / quote |
Soozy wrote:

How bout this? Don't release an album until every song on the cd is good enough to be a single. You shouldn't have to be a 'singles' band. If you make a quality cd, every song on it should have potential to be a single in your eyes. Obviously, other than noise fillers, like intros/outros to songs.

Him saying that he wants to be a singles band is the equivalent of him saying he has decided to sell out hard core. I can acknowledge the whole iPod thing, but I regularly listen to cds in their entirety on my iPod if it's a good cd. If it's not, then I skip around.

It's like he thought the return of SP would be the second coming and now that it's not, he's like 'We're just too good for you...you don't appreciate our music' What an a-hole.

Man, sorry for the rant haha


Well, record companies are *******s that sometimes force musicians to put out their music as quickly as possible without worrying about making a fully amazing piece of art. The label just cares about having the one or two singles on the album that help it sell.

I personally think this is a great idea. It will allow them to free themselves from the grips of labels and release great music on their terms. They will also be able to spend as much time as they need creating their music. They will be making more money off this too. This will cut out labels, distributors, and all the other shit that keeps the money away from the musicians. People say it's wrong for a musician to do something for the money, but music is a business. Money makes the world go round. Deep down, everybody wants to be a rich rockstar. So, stop being such a douche, and mind your own business. Dont like it? Dont buy it!
     
Bizzarosanta2 wrote on 12/12/2008 - 02:33 am / quote |
SmokeyMcStoner wrote:

Man...Who IS Billy Corgan? He's not a big name, he can't be makin' calls like that...like...chill out, write better stuff instead of trying to be a big-shot...wtf.. -.-


...not a big name? haha gotta disagree with that anyhoo, i like BC and SP and their latest album was a good listen. but hes right. most people i know skip over albums and listen to singles. just a fact. not sure if i agree with his strategy but idk he can try whatever he wants who cares? bands gotta start trying stuff, radiohead can only do so much.

anyway, if all of u guys hated SP now, why do u care? just a thought.
     
Black Hole Sun wrote on 12/12/2008 - 04:31 am / quote |
murraysmithgers wrote:
You're exactly right
Axl and Billy are not comparable, Axl is actually talented.
Yeah, at least Axl can sing... wait, no... well, he's a great lyricist... no, wait a second. Well, he did write the majority of GnR's mus... wait, no he didn't... How exactly is he talented?
     
RyoujokuNoAme wrote on 12/12/2008 - 04:57 am / quote |
He's just pissed off that Zeitgeist did crappy and is just having a tantrum. Stop whining! I like Smashing Pumpkins, and thought Zeitgeist was OK.

Anyway, once he releases 10 singles, that's an album right?
     
Caribousunking wrote on 12/12/2008 - 05:33 am / quote |
Its a pompous statement. He comes across as being very bitter about their last effort. If the album was any good, people wouldnt skip to the singles and ignore the rest of the tracks. You'd think this would inspire him to write a better album. An album people want to listen to, but instead he's gone down the opposite route and basically said "Fine, i'll just do singles then."

They were never that good anyway, truth be told. Seems like Billys ego has never grasped the reality that hes not a household name and never will be. Him and his band belonged to an era that lasted a brief 5 or so years and he should be happy with that. Time has elapsed and while there will always be devoted fans buying everything his band does, you can't compete with the modern bands of today in terms of popularity in the mainstream.
     
AussieBassKid wrote on 12/12/2008 - 06:01 am / quote |
We want a reaction, even if it’s a negative reaction.


thats probably the dumbest thing ive ever heard a musician say, ever.
     
slashjr192 wrote on 12/12/2008 - 09:07 am / quote |
ya that whole ipod thing sucks, hes right. Bands are prob gonna loose all profit to ppl getting free downloads from limewire and shit. This could be a whole new era in the music industry
     
Blaster Bob wrote on 12/12/2008 - 09:23 am / quote |
What a whiny little bitch. "Boo hoo my last album didn't sell so I'm not making albums anymore." He can shove it.
     
NorfIrIon wrote on 12/12/2008 - 09:36 am / quote |
Blaster Bob wrote:

What a whiny little bitch. "Boo hoo my last album didn't sell so I'm not making albums anymore." He can shove it.


My thoughts exactly.
     
vermilion444 wrote on 12/12/2008 - 10:54 am / quote |
I've seen the Pumpkins four times now, and even Zwan twice. I'm a big fan of his. However, the last show I went to, despite being amazing for a good hour and a half, the last half hour or more was a REALLY boring, drawn out Pink Floyd cover, then he sat down his guitar and left. No encore. Left a horrible taste in everyone's mouth. I'm done with this guy. Zeitgeist was a pile of shit, that's why no one listens to it. I'm convinced more and more every day that James was the reason the Pumpkins were so good. Look at Billy without James. Zwan, solo album, Zeitgeist.
     
SurferRosa92 wrote on 12/12/2008 - 11:10 am / quote |
Sorry people, but zeigeist just sucks. go buy siamese dream and realize billy corgan/smashing pumpkins, in terms of creativity, etc. is just like:
pearl jam(i hate them, but admit it...their lil "save the trees' crap is way worse than "ten"
Roger Waters-just like corgan...megalomania until that last pink floyd album "the final cut"
axl rose
and every old artist who thinks he still has it, but has, more likely, lost touch with reality and his inner artist.
     
Soozy wrote on 12/12/2008 - 11:19 am / quote |
MetalUpYourRear wrote:

People say it's wrong for a musician to do something for the money, but music is a business. Money makes the world go round. Deep down, everybody wants to be a rich rockstar. So, stop being such a douche, and mind your own business. Dont like it? Dont buy it!


That's why you go on tour. You don't make money through cds. I understand it's a business and an industry and the real way musicians get rich is by touring. Or creating a clothing label I guess.

A side note, I'm pretty sure they're off their label now and can release music independently. He should take his time and write something substantial. Non of that singles crap, a full album.
     
staticman wrote on 12/12/2008 - 02:52 pm / quote |
i aggree with soozy, half the people who like the band are gonna burn it from someone else or download it illegally, u have to tour

i respect Billy for saying this; it shows he understands the industry, he's not a real "get rich quick" kinda guy, but he also wants people to really like his music, regardless if they buy it or not
     
Axl_Explosion wrote on 12/13/2008 - 02:04 pm / quote |
Ok, so I've been giving this a lot of thought, and I've figured out how Billy Corgan can make people like him again and release a good album so he can be happy and popular again and not have to throw a temper-tantrum- Since he said people only listen to 1-2 songs an album...he writes 5-6 albums worth of material, then he takes the 1-2 good songs off of each album, then puts them all on 1 album, and bam! It will be a 10-12 track album, with all the good songs, that people might actually consider buying! And then he can tour and Billy Corgan will be happy again, which will bring the economy out of the toilet, and cure world hunger, and end cancer, aids, AND the clap, and everything will be right with the world, because Billy Corgan is happy again.

--good deed of the day, accomplished.
     
HedlessChickn wrote on 12/13/2008 - 06:14 pm / quote |
piss off Billy. I've always bought your albums. If you can't get it together enough to build a whole, like an album, then I'm done with you. I don't buy singles. One of the greatest thrills in my life is listening to a great album. You have no one else to blame if you never get another dime from me.
     
Catharsisaurus wrote on 12/13/2008 - 10:43 pm / quote |
Lets all cool down people. Billy Corgan is an incredible musician, and the impact of his work is tremendous, and the dust will still be settling for years to come. Lets, instead of criticizing an artist for what they are doing, encourage him. Isn't that the whole point of being an artist: creativity, and exploration. Rather than putting the hate on for our fellow artists, let's point less fingers and give him the space to create.

Billy if you want to try something new, by all means, do. Us pumpkin heads are with you. And no one else matters.
     
Burning_October wrote on 12/14/2008 - 11:14 am / quote |
Okay, first off, for those of you who think that Billy shouldnt write under the Pumpkins name anymore because its not the same band, you dont know what you're talking about. Siamese Dream was entirely Billy, a lot of times he would rerecord other band members parts to make them "perfect". So the others werent really needed that much.

Aside from that, they had one mediocre album. ONE. I dont see how this makes them a bad band. This could be cool, we just have to see what happens.
     
midwestisbest7 wrote on 12/14/2008 - 04:19 pm / quote |
it sounds like all these negative comments about billy fuel from the fact that we all loved this band at one point. admit it or not, they put out some great music, that still mean alot to some people, and after breaking and reforming with people we didnt know from before, is why its not the same. without james and darcy's influence, small or not, they were the pumpkins. it wont be the same without them, and which is why we cant allow ourselves to like their new material, also because it sucks. hopefully what they're doing allows them to produce the music they should, amazing music, music we want to hear. Smashing Pumpkins. not billy jimmy and friends.
     
2mur wrote on 12/14/2008 - 10:59 pm / quote |
I Love the Smashing Pumpkins, even the new stuff, but it seems like they are trying to please the ones who don't like them by spiting the ones that still do with their 'singles' idea.
     
thisisengland_7 wrote on 12/17/2008 - 08:18 pm / quote |
I love their music. But Billy Corgans a wanker. The whole come-back was to make money clearly. Make an album, do a tour and then release "singles" - whats the point? & he should start a new band cos its not even pumpkins anymore.
     
SoFaRo-Zero wrote on 12/21/2008 - 11:17 pm / quote |
Road Eyes wrote:

This is ridicoulous, the pumpkins hav
e always been an album band imo

It's not your opinion, it's true. Guitar World did an interview with Billy once (unless it was Guitar Player--I don't have the songbook in front of me right now to check) where they even mentioned Corgan's focus on AOR as opposed to just releasing singles.

and only releasing singles is against what i like about them. It's very annoying that he is bowing to peoples listening habits and just releasing singles as thats all he feels people listen to.

Do you live under a rock, dude? Face it, most people have been spoiled by the whole iTunes movement. You and I might still get the importance of an album as a whole, but most people today see the other tracks on one as the stuff between the hits.
Art isn't about giving people just what they wanna hear, but it's also not about only doing what you want. Unless you're noticed, there's no point in expressing yourself--and a man needs money even in Hell these days, pretty much. Personally, I an't really fault the guy for trying to keep up with the times, even though I would also rather see albums made.

Imagine if he'd done that with Siamese dream, it would have just being an album of pop songs like today.

Times were different back then--there were no real music-downloading services, if any at all, and a lot fewer people had ADD and pop-addiction.

It seems he makes music for the wrong reasons nowadays.I'd prefer that they just toured and didn't release any new music, like the pixies did when they reformed, then do this.

That's throwing the Strat out with the string, don't you think? I'd say any new music from him is better than none--at least he's making things in an effort to make money.
'Course, I'm not a fan of reunion tours for that reason--THAT, to me, is just for money: "We haven't done a single new song in ten years, but come see us anyway--not like any of you who'd want to have before."

Next he'll only release singles through guitar hero.

Slippery-slope fallacy. You should avoid using it in music discussions, because what's there to stop you from using it in serious debates?

thisisengland_7 wrote:
he should start a new band cos its not even pumpkins anymore.

He tried that, man. Ever hear of Zwan?
He hated writing for it, because everything he and Jimmy wrote sounded like the Pumpkins anyway. And apparently the other members were even more messed up than D'Arcy and James--or at least no less so--so that probably didn't help either...

As far as saying "Two members are gone, it's not the Pumpkins anymore"...no. D'Arcy didn't even record the bass parts in the studio most of the time, and I highly doubt she was ever involved in the writing of songs...James DID have some involvement in the creation of the songs, but most of the work after Siamese Dream was Billy and Jimmy--who are still there. It's been said countless times now for a reason.
     
hriday_hazarika wrote on 01/07/2009 - 07:55 am / quote |
I can't get what people find so bad about Zeitgeist.
It's a really nice album.
It contains my most favourite track by them: That's The Way (My Love Is).

P.S.: Billy Corgan looks like Lord Voldemort.
     
Somnambulance wrote on 01/31/2009 - 01:59 am / quote |
David_Bowie=GOD wrote:

LifesSweetDrug wrote:

How about not releasing another Single again?

I don't about everyone else but I prefer a album to a single. I can't stand just have single tracks.

Tip to Corgan: Make a decent album if you want people to listen and like it.

I completely agree with you, hes wrong when he says that people only listen to the singles. Some of the time(unless your one of those people who only listens to the radio) they only listen to the singles because they were the only good songs. I listen to the majority of siamese dream and mellon collie and the infinite sadness, not just the singles, you know why? Because they were fantastic albums. I only listen to one or two of the songs off of Zeitgeist, know why? Because it is one of the worst albums they have ever made.

I love(d) the smashing pumpkins, but I think they should just call it quits before Corgan loses all credibility and respect.


Most people are the radio public. They usually download music. That said, unless the way things work changes drastically, singles won't be any more profitable than albums. Zeitgeist was better than a majority of other mainstream rock records BTW.
     
leader43 wrote on 02/15/2009 - 12:29 am / quote |
this man is a genius, and a guitar prodigy. the listening public is null and void of any intellect at this point (look at daughtry's album sales). billy's a realist and he's in no way naive, and that's a dangerous combination for both an online forum like this, and old school fans as far as his reputation goes, and whoever compared axl rose to billy corgan shines as a testament to how uneducated today's fan base is. billy can shredd a guitar, has consistently written good work (although it's obviously debatable on this forum), and actually shows up to concerts. it's everyone else who walks away from him, whereas that piece of shit axl would walk out on any of his fans for no good reason. it's not his fault everyone is set on orgasm and has to hear 15 hits in a 40 song set, but it is absolutely his right to feel hostility towards us.
     
leader43 wrote on 02/15/2009 - 12:32 am / quote |
chris schmelke show yourself
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