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Sum 41: Reason Behind Guitarist's Departure Revealed
artist: sum 41	date: 07/31/2007	category: general music news

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Before Sum 41 recorded the new album Underclass Hero, the band dealt with the departure of guitarist Dave "Brownsound" Baksh. Neither side has really spoken about the split too much, but singer Deryck Whibley finally opened up to ChartAttack.

"To be honest, it became easier because there were only three people in the band, and I was the only guitar player, so I didn't have to do anything for anybody but myself.

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"Although Dave is a far better guitar player than I would ever be, I didn't have to write things that I felt Dave was gonna wanna play. It was real easy. I could just do what I wanted to do, and it freed me up a lot.

"He quit because he didn't want to keep playing our type of music. I knew that. We knew that before he quit. He had issues with our band back in 2001. We thought he was gonna quit back then. That was always in the back of my mind. 'Is Dave gonna like this? Is Dave gonna wanna play this?'

"Even with the last record, his enthusiasm was so low that it brought us all down. It was a negative vibe in the studio. The fact that it wasn't there made it really easy. The best case scenario was that Dave would have been as excited as us, and been into it as much as us. I would have loved that, but that's not reality.

"I don't think it came down to the music necessarily as much. When we did the metal stuff, he didn't want to be a part of it. He just wanted to do his own metal stuff."

To read the rest of Whibley's explanation, go here. Thanks for the report to Shoutmoth.com.

POSTED: 07/31/2007 - 09:03 am

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Decembero wrote on 07/31/2007 - 09:55 am / quote |

SO basically Brownsound was too metal, and too talented for Derek to write guitar parts for him.

Seriously, WEAK u guys! WEAK!

So thats the reason behind the guitar simplicity in the new stuff...

Decembero wrote on 07/31/2007 - 09:58 am / quote |

And why didnt they let Brownsound write his own parts??? If he is skillfull on guitar he could have brought in another dynamic to the tunes, instead of Dereks powerchord progressions. AARGH!

daniel coogan wrote on 07/31/2007 - 10:11 am / quote |

So thats the reason behind the guitar simplicity in the new stuff...

i though punk was supposed to be simple, like green day :S maybe thats just me...

Rockon914 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 10:34 am / quote |

i heard some of there new stuff and it sucks, i love that that guy left to play metal lol

joe8 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 11:17 am / quote |

metal owns

Something-Cool4 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 11:17 am / quote |

the new stuff is okay

Mosaic wrote on 07/31/2007 - 11:18 am / quote |

there's a difference between minimalism and commercialism

reizig wrote on 07/31/2007 - 11:22 am / quote |

Decembero wrote:

And why didnt they let Brownsound write his own parts??? If he is skillfull on guitar he could have brought in another dynamic to the tunes, instead of Dereks powerchord progressions. AARGH!

I don't think he meant he wrote the guitar parts for Dave, just that the songs he would bring him wouldn't be something Dave would want to write a guitar part for.

duncang wrote on 07/31/2007 - 11:22 am / quote |

I think pretty much everyone guessed that that was the reason, however it's new to me, and very interesting that he wasn't the force behind the metal influence on their last two albums before he left.

I've heard some samples of the new album, sounds pretty good.

cakeandpiemofo wrote on 07/31/2007 - 11:27 am / quote |

If Dave leaving is the reason for the new stuff sounding like an angry 13 year old wrote it. Then I wish he would come back

Something-Cool4 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 11:33 am / quote |

punk is supposed to be simple or at least it is. Metal is much more fun and challenging to play.

Ibzman wrote on 07/31/2007 - 11:33 am / quote |

The new stuff isn'T that bad, way better IMO than "Chuck". They're a punk/rock band, what do you expect from them ? I know it's not "Half Hour Of Power" but it's a good album for guys who lost a member and been through a lot of shit.

ColonyVice wrote on 07/31/2007 - 11:35 am / quote |

There new album isn't eeven really that good. Whibley is a good guitar player and song writer, so I thought they would be fine. Even Dave's new band Brown Brigade isn't that good. They were great back in 2002.

MikESPviper wrote on 07/31/2007 - 11:47 am / quote |

daniel coogan wrote:

So thats the reason behind the guitar simplicity in the new stuff...

i though punk was supposed to be simple, like green day :S maybe thats just me...

greenday is not punk, and sum41 is borderline pop punk. if your on mtv, playing "punk" your pop punk. real punk bands do not play on mtv. Green Day is just sell out, not punk. If you want punk listen to the classics to start Sex Pistols, Ramones (pop punk) Misfits ect.

hurricanes67 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 11:49 am / quote |

daves actually a pretty good guitarist

sk8terdude9390 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 11:57 am / quote |

MikESPviper wrote:

daniel coogan wrote:

So thats the reason behind the guitar simplicity in the new stuff...

i though punk was supposed to be simple, like green day :S maybe thats just me...

greenday is not punk, and sum41 is borderline pop punk. if your on mtv, playing "punk" your pop punk. real punk bands do not play on mtv. Green Day is just sell out, not punk. If you want punk listen to the classics to start Sex Pistols, Ramones (pop punk) Misfits ect.

ehh, it shouldn't be green day's or sum 41's fault that they were offered a record deal. if you were shown a record deal, with really good pay, i think you would consider it.

rush4life wrote on 07/31/2007 - 12:01 pm / quote |

That's sad. I don't really like the new stuff much at all, but I've got all the other albums. Infected and Chuck were very good, and I was hoping they would continue in that "heavier" vein, but oh well.

GunsNRevolvers wrote on 07/31/2007 - 12:04 pm / quote |

sk8terdude9390 wrote:

MikESPviper wrote:

daniel coogan wrote:

So thats the reason behind the guitar simplicity in the new stuff...

i though punk was supposed to be simple, like green day :S maybe thats just me...

greenday is not punk, and sum41 is borderline pop punk. if your on mtv, playing "punk" your pop punk. real punk bands do not play on mtv. Green Day is just sell out, not punk. If you want punk listen to the classics to start Sex Pistols, Ramones (pop punk) Misfits ect.

ehh, it shouldn't be green day's or sum 41's fault that they were offered a record deal. if you were shown a record deal, with really good pay, i think you would consider it.

well said dude.

GunsNRevolvers wrote on 07/31/2007 - 12:17 pm / quote |

anyways, i've always thought Green Day fit the punk persona rather well. 3-4 chord songs, lyrics about anger and isolation (like on Insomniac). Although American Idiot sounded glossed over, it was 2004. We have better recording equipment now. The most important thing was that AI's message is all about rebellion and lashing out against the government...just like the punk rockers back in the 70s. Anyways, too bad about Dave. He is an excellent guitarist and hopefully he'll be happier in his new band.

Cheich wrote on 07/31/2007 - 12:19 pm / quote |

You're not right. If you love the music you play and someone comes and says "change it, do it easier to listen or to dance and I will pay you thousand and thousand of dollars", then you will laught at his mouth and keep doing what you love to do. But we all know that this doesn't happen in the 90% of the cases

meadowskid wrote on 07/31/2007 - 12:20 pm / quote |

Is it just me, or is there single about how brownsound left, and they think they're fine without him?

SG6578 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 12:22 pm / quote |

just a personal opinion but I think they're screwed without brownsound....he was a REALLY good player...ie...the solo off the hell song!

Noverion wrote on 07/31/2007 - 12:23 pm / quote |

I loved Chuck, it was my favourite on the level with Does this look Infected, but im glad that they broke because of real reasons, and it didnt seem like it was hostile, you can see that by him saying
"Dave is a far better guitar player than I would ever be"

good band, but the new song was too similar to something else they wrote, lets see what happens i suppose...

kirbyrocknroll m wrote on 07/31/2007 - 12:27 pm / quote |

Checked.

AnAzNGuitarist wrote on 07/31/2007 - 12:41 pm / quote |

Why couldn't Deryck just let the whole band contribute? It always just had to be him writing all the songs. I would've loved to see both of them collaborate with each other, instead of Deryck writing everything.

PaulieD17 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 12:45 pm / quote |

meadowskid wrote:

Is it just me, or is there single about how brownsound left, and they think they're fine without him?

Not really, the chorus from the "Underclass Hero" single was a regurgitated part from an old song when Dave was still in the band. I believe it was a bonus track on Chuck. I think it was called "Subject to Change" or something. You could be right, though. After typing the old song title, the band lineup could be subject to change, which it in-fact did. Or maybe I'm over-processing this..

dieloony2 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 12:45 pm / quote |

I like Sum 41, poppyness aside there a good band. But the new stuff is kinda whiney and not as upbeat. They take themselves too seriously now.

Pr4nk5t3r wrote on 07/31/2007 - 12:51 pm / quote |

SG6578 wrote:

just a personal opinion but I think they're screwed without brownsound....he was a REALLY good player...ie...the solo off the hell song!

The Hell Song's solo was written also by Deryck and that's the reason why sometimes he played part of it. He's just not into that vibe, he doesn't like to play lead stuff.
Anyway, the new album has some cool tracks and they sound much better live now that anytime before.

skater dan0 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 12:53 pm / quote |

dieloony2 wrote:

I like Sum 41, poppyness aside there a good band. But the new stuff is kinda whiney and not as upbeat. They take themselves too seriously now.

there's not that many bands out there that don't take what they do seriously after 5 well selling albums.

but this shit happens, bands change their sound, their line up changes and so on. but bands very rarely go back to their roots and i think sum 41 did the right thing by doing that

MDoggDX316 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 12:56 pm / quote |

Yeah Deryck was pretty much writing all the guitar stuff, so I didn't expect the new album to be all too different.

radioplay wrote on 07/31/2007 - 01:01 pm / quote |

Cheich wrote:

sk8terdude9390 wrote:

MikESPviper wrote:

daniel coogan wrote:

So thats the reason behind the guitar simplicity in the new stuff...

i though punk was supposed to be simple, like green day :S maybe thats just me...

greenday is not punk, and sum41 is borderline pop punk. if your on mtv, playing "punk" your pop punk. real punk bands do not play on mtv. Green Day is just sell out, not punk. If you want punk listen to the classics to start Sex Pistols, Ramones (pop punk) Misfits ect.

ehh, it shouldn't be green day's or sum 41's fault that they were offered a record deal. if you were shown a record deal, with really good pay, i think you would consider it.

You're not right. If you love the music you play and someone comes and says "change it, do it easier to listen or to dance and I will pay you thousand and thousand of dollars", then you will laught at his mouth and keep doing what you love to do. But we all know that this doesn't happen in the 90% of the cases

yea but you dont know if they were asked to change it

Hanzi_G wrote on 07/31/2007 - 01:09 pm / quote |

skater dan0 wrote:

dieloony2 wrote:

I like Sum 41, poppyness aside there a good band. But the new stuff is kinda whiney and not as upbeat. They take themselves too seriously now.

there's not that many bands out there that don't take what they do seriously after 5 well selling albums.

but this shit happens, bands change their sound, their line up changes and so on. but bands very rarely go back to their roots and i think sum 41 did the right thing by doing that

Yes, but their return to their roots was quite poor. The new album is generally lacking any creativity and fun. It doesn't really have the same spark that All Killer No Filler had.

yawn wrote on 07/31/2007 - 01:10 pm / quote |

Ah, this explains a lot. I was always confused about this whole thing, because Deryck had always written the material, and yet they've been heavier in the past, so I didn't understand why Dave's departure would affect Deryck's writing style. But now I see that, although Deryck always wrote the songs, Dave's influence kept the songs heavy and "technical" enough. Interesting, though obviously not a promising future for fans of Sum 41's heavier and more "technical" side.

Geekis_Khan wrote on 07/31/2007 - 01:10 pm / quote |

MikESPviper wrote:

greenday is not punk, and sum41 is borderline pop punk. if your on mtv, playing "punk" your pop punk. real punk bands do not play on mtv. Green Day is just sell out, not punk. If you want punk listen to the classics to start Sex Pistols, Ramones (pop punk) Misfits ect.

I agree that punk bands don't play on MTV, but just because you play on MTV, that doesn't make you a sell-out.

In fact, listen to some of the stuff that Green Day wasw doing before they had a major record deal. Any difference in sound is just natural sound evolution. Quit being so elitist against bands that have commercial success.

And besides, who has the real bragging rights here? Sum 41 or Brownsound? When was the last time you heard a Brown Brigade song on the radio? PRobably never, because no one cares.

fukkindoyle wrote on 07/31/2007 - 01:11 pm / quote |

personally, i don't think you're right. record companies telling bands to make their shit easier to listen to or telling them to make it more pop or whatever, just doesn't happen anymore. record companies nowadays are almost all owned by people in bands, or people making music themselves, who know that musicians do not like getting told what to write. so no, i seriously don't believe sum 41 is writing different music cause they've been told to. if they were told to, they could easily go to another record company and get paid just as much. i mean, it's sum 41, you'd be retarded not to know how big they are.

fukkindoyle wrote on 07/31/2007 - 01:12 pm / quote |

Geekis_Khan wrote:

MikESPviper wrote:

greenday is not punk, and sum41 is borderline pop punk. if your on mtv, playing "punk" your pop punk. real punk bands do not play on mtv. Green Day is just sell out, not punk. If you want punk listen to the classics to start Sex Pistols, Ramones (pop punk) Misfits ect.

I agree that punk bands don't play on MTV, but just because you play on MTV, that doesn't make you a sell-out.

In fact, listen to some of the stuff that Green Day wasw doing before they had a major record deal. Any difference in sound is just natural sound evolution. Quit being so elitist against bands that have commercial success.

And besides, who has the real bragging rights here? Sum 41 or Brownsound? When was the last time you heard a Brown Brigade song on the radio? PRobably never, because no one cares.

thank you.

kiefermatot wrote on 07/31/2007 - 01:15 pm / quote |

Deryk wrote all the guitar parts because Dave was never really too into the band, therefore, he wouldn't write guitar parts. I think the only album Dave has contributed on is Half Hour Of Power. Sum 41 recorded some songs here and there, made up an alter-ego, and even went a different direction with their music On Chuck, to satisfy Dave and cater more to his musical tastes.

311~420 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 01:19 pm / quote |

He left because his head just didn't explode enough with their style of play. He prayed and prayed until one day Zack Wylde and Ted Nugent came down from the sky riding the lightning of justice and gave unto thee the pick of destiny. With this new tool he will be able to compose such metallic master peaces that will melt the faces of all punk fans and impregnate 32 nuns. Indeed metal does own.....babies ~311's got the herb~

jetfuel495 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 01:29 pm / quote |

argh...

expect daves rebuttal soon enough

motorbreath_445 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 01:35 pm / quote |

well, all that really matters is that dave's gone, and from the sounds of it, he's not comin back any time soon. looks like we'll all have to move, and on the bright side, sum 41's new album is really good and Brownsounds new band (brown brigade) is also very good, so its the best of both worlds.

MrShowerhead wrote on 07/31/2007 - 01:37 pm / quote |

"Real punk bands don't play on MTV"

That's such a stupid, ignorant statement. First and foremost, punk is a mindframe, not a particular way to play music. It's the total disregard for what people want you to do and it's doing your own thing (which is why anarchy is associated with punk)

Green Day did that with "American Idiot." making a concept album in a day where album sales aren't too great, they did what they wanted to do.

Punk bands aren't on MTV or radio? So does that fact that Dropkick Murphys are all over radio make them less of a punk band? I've seen Pennywise on MTV.. are they not a punk band anymore?

People like MikESPviper piss me off because they make such stupid, juvenile, ignorant statements. Who the hell are you to be the person who decides what's punk and whats not?

But on that note.. bands like Sum 41 and Green Day, bands far along on their career, they do have freedom to make the music that they want because they have established themselves. This is one of the few instances where the record label doesn't have full control; it's just evolution.

psychodelia m wrote on 07/31/2007 - 01:43 pm / quote |

Checked

sum41freak8733 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 01:47 pm / quote |

now the reason i like sum 41 (dont think im just some ignorant fan boy sticking up for them because of my name ) but i like them becuase each record has a different sound when they said they were going to "return to there roots " i do not see it , i wouldnt want another all killer no filler becuase then it would be more of the same , the new album is softer , and thats something i like , ya it still sounds like sum 41 but its different , really i do not find sum 41 punk at all thats just me , besides the pop punkiness of the lyrics isnt really there anymore its more serious , so i just find them pop/rock on there new album

Green_Jelly wrote on 07/31/2007 - 01:50 pm / quote |

MrShowerhead wrote:

"Real punk bands don't play on MTV"

That's such a stupid, ignorant statement. First and foremost, punk is a mindframe, not a particular way to play music. It's the total disregard for what people want you to do and it's doing your own thing (which is why anarchy is associated with punk)

Green Day did that with "American Idiot." making a concept album in a day where album sales aren't too great, they did what they wanted to do.

Punk bands aren't on MTV or radio? So does that fact that Dropkick Murphys are all over radio make them less of a punk band? I've seen Pennywise on MTV.. are they not a punk band anymore?

People like MikESPviper piss me off because they make such stupid, juvenile, ignorant statements. Who the hell are you to be the person who decides what's punk and whats not?

But on that note.. bands like Sum 41 and Green Day, bands far along on their career, they do have freedom to make the music that they want because they have established themselves. This is one of the few instances where the record label doesn't have full control; it's just evolution.

Thanq for shining some wisdom on the discussion. The Sex Pistols were a product doing nothing but contradict themselves. Grow up.

fender_NiNE wrote on 07/31/2007 - 01:51 pm / quote |

so i guess even their lead guitarist realized much they sucked lol.

fender_NiNE wrote on 07/31/2007 - 01:58 pm / quote |

lol alright first off, green day and sum41 aren't real punk. their pop-punk. which isnt really punk. secondly, its because they are far along in their career that they have even less writing freedom because the major labels they're on want them to stay as mainstream sounding as possible. and have you noticed how the song "Underclass Hero" sounds remarkably similar to "Fat Lip"? they're obviously only trying to stay in the limelight and not even totally involved in the music they play. ill be surprised if they even like it themselves. they just want the benjamins and thats all bands like that care about. and don't get me started on ****in good charlotte.

charvel_man wrote on 07/31/2007 - 02:00 pm / quote |

It's a real shame it ended up like this. They were a really good band (they still are, but without Dave, some elements of the band's technicality has disappeared).

Chuck is by far one of my favourite albums at present. You can tell how much simpler the new material has gotten now Dave has left.

TwistedLogic wrote on 07/31/2007 - 02:11 pm / quote |

So, in other words, Whitby did like being challenged with having to improve his guitar playing and expand his music writing style. Great role model for aspiring guitarists

TwistedLogic wrote on 07/31/2007 - 02:12 pm / quote |

Sorry, double post. I meant did not like being challenghed blah blah blah. I need to proof read.

Moraina wrote on 07/31/2007 - 02:16 pm / quote |

It's clear as a day that sum41 and green day aren't punk. Beyond the whole 'they play on mtv' argument.. both bands are completely lackluster in the substance department.. It's a shocker that a band that wrote about not giving a f*ck for over 10 years puts out a psuedo political album... and hundreds of thousands of ignorant kids buy it.. on more than one level. what a joke.

PortlandMusic wrote on 07/31/2007 - 02:25 pm / quote |

They're new album is good, yeah its not as challenging as Chuck's guitar but its still good. It has the soul of All Killer No Filler, but with the maturity of Chuck.

xcrunner1 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 02:33 pm / quote |

I was always more of a Dave fan than Sum 41 fan, how do you rock w/o guitar chops? might as well do it all on piano Deryck, you'd get the same sounds.

SOADrox429 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 02:42 pm / quote |

The new song, Underclass Hero, is pretty good. I haven't heard anything else from the new album, though. However, I like their old music much better, like Half Hour of Power and All Killer No Filler, and Chuck was okay.

SOADrox429 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 02:43 pm / quote |

Moraina wrote:

It's clear as a day that sum41 and green day aren't punk. Beyond the whole 'they play on mtv' argument.. both bands are completely lackluster in the substance department.. It's a shocker that a band that wrote about not giving a f*ck for over 10 years puts out a psuedo political album... and hundreds of thousands of ignorant kids buy it.. on more than one level. what a joke.

That is probably the single most true thing I have ever read in my life.

fiendcracker wrote on 07/31/2007 - 02:52 pm / quote |

SOADrox429 wrote:

Moraina wrote:

It's clear as a day that sum41 and green day aren't punk. Beyond the whole 'they play on mtv' argument.. both bands are completely lackluster in the substance department.. It's a shocker that a band that wrote about not giving a f*ck for over 10 years puts out a psuedo political album... and hundreds of thousands of ignorant kids buy it.. on more than one level. what a joke.

That is probably the single most true thing I have ever read in my life.

yes its true... they are pop bands for kids who think they are hardcore and think they don't care about anything..they are for posers.

fluffylump2 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 02:55 pm / quote |

and let this be a lesson.

7_seven_7 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 02:57 pm / quote |

SG6578 wrote:

just a personal opinion but I think they're screwed without brownsound....he was a REALLY good player...ie...the solo off the hell song!

lol that solo isn't that good. Listen to the song the bitter end. That is my favourite song by them.. hands donw. And, imo, chuck is their best..simply cos it's more "metalesque" no i'm not saying it's metal before you start flaming me. But yea... chuck was a damn good album by them. I heard the new album and don't like it at all.

metalb0y wrote on 07/31/2007 - 03:07 pm / quote |

daniel coogan wrote:

So thats the reason behind the guitar simplicity in the new stuff...

i though punk was supposed to be simple, like green day :S maybe thats just me...

greengay aren't punk dude...

guitar2slash wrote on 07/31/2007 - 03:24 pm / quote |

the metal stuff eh?
im probably a better metal guitarist than that faggot

c_strummer88 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 03:32 pm / quote |

It doesn't matter if one person thinks Sum 41 and Green Day are punk or not does it? Some people will say they are, some will disagree.
Was anything The Clash did after their debut album punk? Didn't sound it, but they were still a punk band.
I know Sum 41 aren't The Clash, and neither are Green Day, but Green Day are the closest to a great punk rock band we've got in commercial music.

Brownsound was the reason I learnt guitar, I really don't like the new Sum 41 stuff. Deryck seems to repeat the same vocal melodies. Over and over.

sum41freak8733 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 03:37 pm / quote |

ummmmm about moraina i dont see how sum 41 are writing songs about not giving a shit about anything , they did on there first 2 albums but , i barely see them trying to be all hardcore half the time too ,what ever happened to liking music becuase of the music , i think to many people care about everything that revolve around the band instead of the actually music

srpv92 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 03:37 pm / quote |

dude, if u was offered a record deal that involved millions of dollers you wouldn't turn it down, seriously, you wouldn't!

A record deal doesnt' neccesseraly (I suck at spelling) mean you have to chamge your style, there's lots behind it... You got the band manager, the producer, the record company (what the will let you put on the album) then band - where the riffs come from...
the manager say something like - "I want you to go and write a really really heavy mother f**ker for the album"... so the badn listen to their manager and do the best they can... the producer will help them with it, tell them what sucks, whats good, how they can change the structure (there is obviously more behind it this is just a simple example) then your record company will say... what the hell is this?!? your a pop band, what do you think your doing?? or they could turn around and go, Wow!! That was some really impressive shit, I like your diversity as a band.

I mean look at Trivium, they were metalcore, Matt screamed is guts out, and ripped his vocal cords a few times, but because they hit the scenes soo big, their manager and record company tell them to grow up, stop shouting ur f**king balls, act your age, your grown up, then they come out with an album like the crusade, it's heavy metal, there is still some screaming in it, just not in as many amounts...

Greenday, they went from young adults who couldn't careless about anything and their record company tell them to do a publicity stunt, they are on millions, they're not going to laugh at them and walk away are they? they are going to do what they are told...

don't be so arrogant

maybe i said too much lol but ah well

MTVget0FFtheAIR wrote on 07/31/2007 - 03:50 pm / quote |

MikESPviper wrote:

If you want punk listen to the classics to start Sex Pistols, Ramones (pop punk) Misfits ect.

ramones aren't pop take that back NOW!

RockMusicFan wrote on 07/31/2007 - 04:07 pm / quote |

Yeah the new album was a dissapointment to me since their last two albums were way better. But it's still decent stuff.

legrille wrote on 07/31/2007 - 04:17 pm / quote |

listening to chuck you can tell how dave felt restricted, like with the little metallica part in the middle of 88

DevilsDance76 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 04:24 pm / quote |

Cheich :
sk8terdude9390 wrote:

MikESPviper wrote:

daniel coogan wrote:

So thats the reason behind the guitar simplicity in the new stuff...

i though punk was supposed to be simple, like green day :S maybe thats just me...

greenday is not punk, and sum41 is borderline pop punk. if your on mtv, playing "punk" your pop punk. real punk bands do not play on mtv. Green Day is just sell out, not punk. If you want punk listen to the classics to start Sex Pistols, Ramones (pop punk) Misfits ect.

ehh, it shouldn't be green day's or sum 41's fault that they were offered a record deal. if you were shown a record deal, with really good pay, i think you would consider it.

You're not right. If you love the music you play and someone comes and says "change it, do it easier to listen or to dance and I will pay you thousand and thousand of dollars", then you will laught at his mouth and keep doing what you love to do. But we all know that this doesn't happen in the 90% of the cases

Sum 41 has always been pop punk and always had the same taste....the new album reminds me of the "all killer no filler" days
They have been doing the same style for years

MAXPAYNE4664 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 04:29 pm / quote |

Dave!

JustMalcolm wrote on 07/31/2007 - 04:31 pm / quote |

Hopefully Brownsound does good for himself, because Sum 41 is definitely gonna stay popular. But i still hate to see him go, he was one of the only people to not butcher the Master of the Puppets solo.

shtuff wrote on 07/31/2007 - 04:33 pm / quote |

Cheich wrote:

sk8terdude9390 wrote:

MikESPviper wrote:

daniel coogan wrote:

So thats the reason behind the guitar simplicity in the new stuff...

i though punk was supposed to be simple, like green day :S maybe thats just me...

greenday is not punk, and sum41 is borderline pop punk. if your on mtv, playing "punk" your pop punk. real punk bands do not play on mtv. Green Day is just sell out, not punk. If you want punk listen to the classics to start Sex Pistols, Ramones (pop punk) Misfits ect.

ehh, it shouldn't be green day's or sum 41's fault that they were offered a record deal. if you were shown a record deal, with really good pay, i think you would consider it.

You're not right. If you love the music you play and someone comes and says "change it, do it easier to listen or to dance and I will pay you thousand and thousand of dollars", then you will laught at his mouth and keep doing what you love to do. But we all know that this doesn't happen in the 90% of the cases

dude, if u was offered a record deal that involved millions of dollers you wouldn't turn it down, seriously, you wouldn't!

A record deal doesnt' neccesseraly (I suck at spelling) mean you have to chamge your style, there's lots behind it... You got the band manager, the producer, the record company (what the will let you put on the album) then band - where the riffs come from...
the manager say something like - "I want you to go and write a really really heavy mother f**ker for the album"... so the badn listen to their manager and do the best they can... the producer will help them with it, tell them what sucks, whats good, how they can change the structure (there is obviously more behind it this is just a simple example) then your record company will say... what the hell is this?!? your a pop band, what do you think your doing?? or they could turn around and go, Wow!! That was some really impressive shit, I like your diversity as a band.

I mean look at Trivium, they were metalcore, Matt screamed is guts out, and ripped his vocal cords a few times, but because they hit the scenes soo big, their manager and record company tell them to grow up, stop shouting ur f**king balls, act your age, your grown up, then they come out with an album like the crusade, it's heavy metal, there is still some screaming in it, just not in as many amounts...

Greenday, they went from young adults who couldn't careless about anything and their record company tell them to do a publicity stunt, they are on millions, they're not going to laugh at them and walk away are they? they are going to do what they are told...

don't be so arrogant

maybe i said too much lol but ah well

wow im not even going to say anything dude you have no idea what its like to be a dedicated musician. now go away and let people control your creative output on life to make them earn more money off of you

shtuff wrote on 07/31/2007 - 04:34 pm / quote |

sorry above the bottom paragraph was supposed to be a quote

TheUnforgiven1 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 04:35 pm / quote |

Chuck was pretty heavy, but the new sh*t of theirs i heard is f*ckin weak, its too pop-ish

dankhus wrote on 07/31/2007 - 04:37 pm / quote |

First of all, he didn't mention radio. Secondly, excuse him, he is a bit stupid, yes. Only stupid people make general statements like "real punk bands don't play on MTV". NOFX was played on MTV 2 times I think (not in the US, though) without their consent. And that's just an example. Pennywise or Dropkick Murphy are other good examples, as you pointed out.
Also, you're right about the mindframe thing. Against Me!'s style comes nothing close to sounding punk, yet they ARE punk. In balance, you're wrong about Greenday or Sum 41's freedom

Now, to take care of some idiotic statement...

Green_Jelly wrote:

Thanq (lat time I checked it was spelled t-h-a-n-k-s) for shining some wisdom on the discussion. The Sex Pistols were a product doing nothing but contradict themselves (deficitary phrase construction; I'm not an expert, but I might say there's a bit of logic missing in there. The Sex Pistols were a product OF, not just A product). Grow up.

Have you ever been told that intelligent persons change their ideas over time? Apparently not...

dankhus wrote on 07/31/2007 - 04:41 pm / quote |

Own spelling error detected...Better to point it out myself than have other scavengers speculate on it

"LAST time" and not "lat time"

sowhat360 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 04:48 pm / quote |

daniel coogan wrote:

So thats the reason behind the guitar simplicity in the new stuff...

i though punk was supposed to be simple, like green day :S maybe thats just me...

punk was simple when it started and that was cool because there was nothing like it. the musicians in the bands were still good. i dont think anyone that started punk really thought the people will still be playing three chord theory songs. now you have people that only know how to play power chords putting together punk songs and its just old news. if i was the brownsound guy i would have quit too. sounds like a new cd out him could be good though

rubysoho8779 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 04:55 pm / quote |

okay most of you on here wouldn't know what "punk" was if it elbowed you in the face at a concert/show/gig whatever you want to call it.

Rancid...anybody like them? well most people who are into punk, or what you guys consider punk, would say they're punk too....and they were on MTV when they came out...and that was in the early to mid 90's, same as Green Day. that whole "Green Day isn't punk" thing is so frickin old, just shut up about it, you sound so stupid. they're grown ass men now, with kids, do you honestly think they're still gonna be writing songs like they used to? NO! they have other issues to discuss in their music, like politics and don't say that American Idiot is psuedo politics...then what's a real political album? huh? a modern album that ISN'T from the 70's and 80's? American Idiot is the only one that comes to my mind...

oh and the Ramones are POP punk, as in they are popular and are on radio stations all the time.

and the Misfits suck ass. the production on their albums is absolutely horrible.

who gives a crap what happened, so long as both parties are happy with the outcome. we're just here to listen to it. get over yourselves.

dm_86 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 05:23 pm / quote |

they aint done a decent record since all killer no filler

finn0 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 05:46 pm / quote |

shtuff wrote:
wow im not even going to say anything dude you have no idea what its like to be a dedicated musician. now go away and let people control your creative output on life to make them earn more money off of you

haha and i suppose you're going to take over the world with your fabulous music. Stop whinging about the "hardship of the everyday common musician" nowadays there are more opportunities than there ever have been before to make it in the industry. If your music is decent then you'll find an audience easily.

dankhus wrote:

Own spelling error detected...Better to point it out myself than have other scavengers speculate on it

"LAST time" and not "lat time"

You're a fool. You clearly know nothing about english as your own sentence structure is poor. This is a discussion about sum41 not english grammer.

Brownsound was a cool guitar player. I liked his style and I think he's made a good move if he didn't believe in what his band were creating.

tosh2894 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 06:13 pm / quote |

that guy needs to step his game up
sum 41's last album chuck bfore underclass hero
was the best album they had ever written
it had moremeaning in it
and better guitar licks
and yet he bitches about it
hes goin nowhere no that he quit

Pertenozzo wrote on 07/31/2007 - 06:25 pm / quote |

I liked the first record of sum41 well, kinda actually.

I don't like a lot of punk, but I really got to like them, now they just suck for my taste =/.

The Man Himself wrote on 07/31/2007 - 06:27 pm / quote |

Keep it simple you guys. Who gives a **** if something doesn't fall under the category of punk. You guys all seem to buy into this industry and status shit way to much. Music is entertainment, dont take it so seriously. If you avoid a band because of their status, I feel really sorry for you cause your limiting yourself way too much. Get off your high horse and just enjoy music. So what if some of these bands are simple and dont indulge deeply into scales, solo's and all that kinda stuff. Bands like Green Day and Sum 41 have such a huge following because people can tell that they're enjoying their music they make and people connect with that and if you are against that and say it sucks and its not real music, you need to grow the **** up.

GuitarFreak664 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 06:30 pm / quote |

I used to be a fan of Sum 41 especially in the DTLI and Chuck album eras but I've tried listening to Underclass Hero at least 10 times all the way through and I just don't like it. A lot of the stuff you can tell has Sum 41 roots but a large amount of it sounds like American Idiot. Ever since brownsound left they just aren't the same band. :-(

axeslinger0u812 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 06:34 pm / quote |

I have to agree with the metal element fans here. I listened to the new cd, and I'm sorry, but it is nowhere near as good as the last cd. I don't even really like them, but I could appreciate some of the more edgier tunes. why not try to expand and push yourself musically? complaining that you didn't think you were good enough to write songs for your own band is pretty sad. especially if you were the main songwriter. instead of bitching about it, he should have went over to dave's, and said 'hey, how about we write together?' hell, I would have given him more freedom to write an entire song here and there, as being in a band is supposed to be about letting out your creativity.

stumaster18 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 06:38 pm / quote |

new cd is bomb. in a good way. the record company made it a little emo-esk, but it kind of suits the music. They pretty much changed the way Green Day did...the exact same way...the political first single with the weiner-ish guitar solo. ah well, kudos to Sum-41 one; staying together after a member quits. and we're still able to make a solid album.

KenMasters wrote on 07/31/2007 - 06:50 pm / quote |

Well, to be honest, i didnt like neither hooch or the new thing. I loved the bands cover-steal-succeed Does This Look Infected but the new ones just seem too obscure... they're gonna end up just like Blink182 and write something like Feeling This. Not tha Blink ever made something serious...

dainus wrote on 07/31/2007 - 06:52 pm / quote |

dave was a sweet guitarists there new album sounds pretty crappy but same would b with most bands losing a member it doesnt ever sound the same again penguins hibernate in the winter

22acacia wrote on 07/31/2007 - 06:56 pm / quote |

the simple truth is that excellence makes most people nervous

Letterbomb11 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 07:11 pm / quote |

Geekis_Khan :

And besides, who has the real bragging rights here? Sum 41 or Brownsound? When was the last time you heard a Brown Brigade song on the radio? PRobably never, because no one cares.
POSTED: 07/31/2007 - 01:10 pm / quote |

Something tells me that it's because they haven't released a single yet.

Anyway, this isn't really news, almost all of this has been known since Dave quit in the first place. Deryck, Cone, Steve, and Dave haven't made any secret out of this.

Adam_Harrison9 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 07:15 pm / quote |

Brownsound was a really good guitarist, all I have is Chuck but the guitar work on their id great, it has soem decent solos and chord progressions. However, Sum 41 and Green Day are not punk, Green Day for one is a pop - ROCK band yes ROCK band. My dad likes Green Day and then I show him Sick Of It All, Dead Kennedys or even something like The Unseen and he shits his pants. Sum 41 is pop-punk w/ metal influences in places. Take chuck for instance, it's "heavier" sounding than green day ever have sounded.

Lex Davids wrote on 07/31/2007 - 07:35 pm / quote |

hated chuck, LOVED does this look infected, new albums pretty good, i find that, like all their other stuff, its catchy.

Who cares about the 'REEAAAAARGHHH METAL' elements, (were there really ever any?) fact is its not your band, so who cares if they change their sound.

megadethisbeast wrote on 07/31/2007 - 07:46 pm / quote |

even when we did the metal stuff... lol like sum 41 one ever did anything metal. Plus thats the problem with mainstream music. they build everything around the vocals. and just to quote Adam_Harrison9 POP only means that they are POPular. Alternative is POP punk has now become POP hip hop is POP unfortunately metal isnt of course that would probably kill it.

PAsistem wrote on 07/31/2007 - 08:08 pm / quote |

in other words, dave left because he was taking the band in a direction that the rest of the band didnt want to go in. Chuck was very dark for a sum 41 album. in my opinion, im glad he's gone because now sum41 is back to their old skate punk pop sound. im sure dave is a "better" guitarist than deryck, but theres more to writing good music than being able to play more than 19472 notes per second

J Dub wrote on 07/31/2007 - 08:14 pm / quote |

Moraina wrote:

It's a shocker that a band that wrote about not giving a f*ck for over 10 years puts out a psuedo political album... and hundreds of thousands of ignorant kids buy it.. on more than one level. what a joke.

I didn't give a **** 10 years ago either. But I've grown up, as have most bands. Bands change over time, just like anybody else changes. How is this so hard to digest?

tai1221 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 08:19 pm / quote |

If green day doesnt have freedom like alot of you claim, why wouldnt they? The beatles gained alot of freedom from being a huge band, they were able to make some weird ass music because of it. why would green day be able to do what ever they want, they made Reprise a shit load of money. and wasnt american idiot a kind of concept album, focusing on a few characters? sure, it had a few political jabs, but thats all i think. it was about a guy and a girl in love who fell out with eachother, and the guy gave up what he was and got a real job, and got a life that was normal. thats what i thought anyway

tai1221 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 08:22 pm / quote |

and these comments shouldnt even include green day, its aobut why a ****ing guitar player left. discuss that dumb ****s

Haha, Crackhead wrote on 07/31/2007 - 08:42 pm / quote |

daniel coogan wrote:

So thats the reason behind the guitar simplicity in the new stuff...

i though punk was supposed to be simple, like green day :S maybe thats just me...

Green Day isn't punk.

SlashNX wrote on 07/31/2007 - 08:49 pm / quote |

I dont get why people insist Green Day were never punk??? They may not play punk stuff now, but back in the Dookie days they were definately punk! It may not be the style of punk you like, but it was punk!

I would like someone to please explain to me what is so "not" punk about the Dookie album???

blacksabbath7 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 09:10 pm / quote |

SlashNX wrote:

I dont get why people insist Green Day were never punk??? They may not play punk stuff now, but back in the Dookie days they were definately punk! It may not be the style of punk you like, but it was punk!

I would like someone to please explain to me what is so "not" punk about the Dookie album???

who cares about greenday and their bad albums. there probably the worst band out there.

Geekis_Khan wrote on 07/31/2007 - 09:43 pm / quote |

Letterbomb11 wrote:

Geekis_Khan :

And besides, who has the real bragging rights here? Sum 41 or Brownsound? When was the last time you heard a Brown Brigade song on the radio? PRobably never, because no one cares.
POSTED: 07/31/2007 - 01:10 pm / quote |

Something tells me that it's because they haven't released a single yet.

You know, I think I actually knew that, so I do apologize.

But you still haven't herad nything about them He's been away from Sum 41 for more than a year and they still haven't had a single. Considering the fact that he's had Brown Brigade since 2003, that makes it seem kind of bad.

Yertle wrote on 07/31/2007 - 09:45 pm / quote |

[quote=daniel corgan]
i though punk was supposed to be simple, like green day :S maybe thats just me...[/quote]

punk is what ever you make it.

mike watt.

mchugh92 wrote on 07/31/2007 - 11:44 pm / quote |

i'm glad he left the band, to me sum 41 were never excellent, in all honesty they were holdin dave back and he is a great guitarist and i hope to hear from him soon, and to all you other dudes green day may not be punk but at least they were still doing what THEY wanna do, i love the extreme metal sub-genres and old-school punk but i still like a bit of mainstream stuff, its not about if theyre punk or not just about the actual quality, and the new single (by sum 41) is kinda crap it reminds me completely of the all killer no filler days but was much more emo than those days which were prob their hay-day, now theyre kinda losing their fire (and IMO they never had much fire in any point in their careers)

Moraina wrote on 07/31/2007 - 11:59 pm / quote |

J Dub wrote:

Moraina wrote:

It's a shocker that a band that wrote about not giving a f*ck for over 10 years puts out a psuedo political album... and hundreds of thousands of ignorant kids buy it.. on more than one level. what a joke.

I didn't give a **** 10 years ago either. But I've grown up, as have most bands. Bands change over time, just like anybody else changes. How is this so hard to digest?

How old were you ten years ago? Were you in your mid-late 20's? because thats how old they were.. You don't just start caring in your mid 30s.. Greenday tried to re-create dookie with several stagger releases... It's nothing more than remarketing.

How hard is it to digest J_dub? its f*ckin impossible to digest.. because just like everyone else with half a brain.. i dont eat sh*t

tai1221 wrote on 08/01/2007 - 12:00 am / quote |

blacksabbath7 wrote:

SlashNX wrote:

I dont get why people insist Green Day were never punk??? They may not play punk stuff now, but back in the Dookie days they were definately punk! It may not be the style of punk you like, but it was punk!

I would like someone to please explain to me what is so "not" punk about the Dookie album???

who cares about greenday and their bad albums. there probably the worst band out there.

Your entitled to your own stupid opinion, so am i, so **** you

DeathForAll wrote on 08/01/2007 - 12:41 am / quote |

I liked that guitar player (the one that left). When I first started out on guitar, that guy amazed the hell out of me. When he did that "In Too Deep" solo, I was just shocked. And I always thought he was way too good for Sum 41.

Glad to see he did something about it.

raymanbaracuda wrote on 08/01/2007 - 12:42 am / quote |

id ont fet it butth ey are coolerer than mani bands i know you.

daniel c b wrote on 08/01/2007 - 12:53 am / quote |

Metal sound? haha i have yet to hear

boxcarblink94 wrote on 08/01/2007 - 01:07 am / quote |

i relate to deryck not wanting to feel like he needs to please the other guitarist. and anyone who brings a negative vibe to the studio should be gone, immediately.

by the way, underclass hero owns. renewed my faith in them, cuz i had lost it.

F-ing Hostile wrote on 08/01/2007 - 01:15 am / quote |

Their new album is pretty decent, but there albums b4 this were really good, they need to bring Dave back, that's all I have to say, their last album was their best

tanguyen wrote on 08/01/2007 - 01:27 am / quote |

Everytime a "punk"/non-metal band makes it onto the news, there's always a genre debate.

I suppose my interpretation of this is that Deryck and Dave are relieved that there aren't any more compromises with the albums now.

SynysterSlash wrote on 08/01/2007 - 01:32 am / quote |

I would leave this band too if

A) i was too good for it
B) the band was pure shit
or
C) the name was "Sum-41"

Seriously... "Dragonforce" is a better name than Sum 41....

SynysterSlash wrote on 08/01/2007 - 01:34 am / quote |

In al honesty though. all there songs soundthe same.

jetfuel495 wrote on 08/01/2007 - 02:46 am / quote |

brownsound is my hero

he paves the way for all brown axe slingers. him and amir derakh.

anyways the band just seemed to lose its purpose later on in its career and if my band ever became like that i would leave too

nodice182 wrote on 08/01/2007 - 02:52 am / quote |

Their new stuff lacks maturity. And they repeat themselves.

Chorus of 'Subject To Change'(Chuck) = 'Underclass Hero'chorus.

How lazy.

Shame. I quite enjoyed Does This Look Infected?

schizz wrote on 08/01/2007 - 03:34 am / quote |

sex pistols, ramones and misfits is all simple stuff too. Not bad, just simple. You can't deny that.

cyclobs wrote on 08/01/2007 - 03:58 am / quote |

eh.. thats old news. they said all that when brownsound first quit the band that he didn't enjoy playing the music he was in that band and the fact that he didn't really contribute to the actual song writing..only playing what he was told to.

cyclobs wrote on 08/01/2007 - 04:01 am / quote |

Green Day isn't punk.

and what possibility doesn't make them punk?? so what if they are on mtv and all that sort of shit. if green day ant punk then the whole music gender shouldn't excist anymore.

do you even know what punk is?

BlinkMe-Rancid wrote on 08/01/2007 - 04:01 am / quote |

its a good reason, we did the same with out drummer who was into metal:P

xDjFx wrote on 08/01/2007 - 04:03 am / quote |

sum41's new album is completely unoriginal and boring..

Ivory_Soul wrote on 08/01/2007 - 04:28 am / quote |

Who cares. Sum 41 makes my ears bleed and they are one of the most unoriginal and untalented bozos to ever grace this earth.

Darkage wrote on 08/01/2007 - 04:29 am / quote |

xDjFx :
sum41's new album is completely unoriginal and boring..

I agree..
Trying to bring a new sound, they made crap. They r losing their craziness in the songs.=)

dankhus wrote on 08/01/2007 - 04:37 am / quote |

finn0 wrote:

"LAST time" and not "lat time"
You're a fool. You clearly know nothing about english as your own sentence structure is poor. This is a discussion about sum41 not english grammer.

...says someone who writes English without a capital E and misspells "grammar". Sir, you have just proven yourself to be a scavenger type (not that you would ever get the allusion

I know nothing about English, yet I could easily get a Cambridge CPE. The only problem is that I'll only be able to take the test next year.

All in all, no matter what the comments are about, they should be intelligent.

poona wrote on 08/01/2007 - 04:54 am / quote |

7_seven_7 wrote:

SG6578 wrote:

just a personal opinion but I think they're screwed without brownsound....he was a REALLY good player...ie...the solo off the hell song!

lol that solo isn't that good. Listen to the song the bitter end. That is my favourite song by them.. hands donw. And, imo, chuck is their best..simply cos it's more "metalesque" no i'm not saying it's metal before you start flaming me. But yea... chuck was a damn good album by them. I heard the new album and don't like it at all.

The Bitter End...? Sounded like a rip off Battery(Metallica) to me.

poona wrote on 08/01/2007 - 04:57 am / quote |

dankhus wrote:

finn0 wrote:

"LAST time" and not "lat time"
You're a fool. You clearly know nothing about english as your own sentence structure is poor. This is a discussion about sum41 not english grammer.

...says someone who writes English without a capital E and misspells "grammar". Sir, you have just proven yourself to be a scavenger type (not that you would ever get the allusion
I know nothing about English, yet I could easily get a Cambridge CPE. The only problem is that I'll only be able to take the test next year.

All in all, no matter what the comments are about, they should be intelligent.

Don't you just love it how people like to pick on somebody else's grammar to make themselves look superior?

Tster wrote on 08/01/2007 - 05:26 am / quote |

Do Do Dooooo!!!

zerodeck wrote on 08/01/2007 - 05:32 am / quote |

eternal respect for dave, he got sick himself of the commercial poppunk and wanted to play metal, sounds like something I should do lol

TFK_62 wrote on 08/01/2007 - 05:32 am / quote |

Hey The Bitter End kinda did sound like Battery a bit. Never noticed that before. I like the solo in The Bitter End... gonna have to look up a tab.

Man Overboard wrote on 08/01/2007 - 05:48 am / quote |

...Dave was my favorite member of the band. Maybe because I'm an Indian too, but...he was a good guitarist. I like Infected best out of all their albums...the new one is alright, but...I don't know. Maybe Dave didn't actually write the guitar parts for the older songs, but he probably had a certain degree of influence on Deryck. The new album's just missing something to me, and it isn't just because of the guitar.

To everyone talking about punk and pop-punk...just stop. And don't slag on bands just because they're more successful than yours. Sure they're on MTV but seriously, who wouldn't want their band on there? It's a way to expose bands. Last I checked, being successful and making it big (along with love for the music) is what being in a band is all about. No success=no money. No money=no way to pay for videos, gigs, albums, studio, nothing. There.

palmster2006 wrote on 08/01/2007 - 06:08 am / quote |

dude sry but most bands don't change their style becuase they switch to a bigger label, theirs alot of bbands that keep their style just maybe...mature a bit, and alot of bands, when they do actually change thier style is because they have decided to do it, maybe they just don't like the style they used to anymore PEOPLE CHANGE plain and simple and the guy above me is 100% correct

Adam_Harrison9 wrote on 08/01/2007 - 06:56 am / quote |

Just listen to Lower Class Crucifixion by The Unseen and you'll realise that all green day ever were, was pop-punk. I used to listen to green day and had all the albums and I didn't even like punk back then.

Adam_Harrison9 wrote on 08/01/2007 - 06:59 am / quote |

cyclobs wrote:

Green Day isn't punk.

and what possibility doesn't make them punk?? so what if they are on mtv and all that sort of shit. if green day ant punk then the whole music gender shouldn't excist anymore.

do you even know what punk is?

No, just no.

Adam_Harrison9 wrote on 08/01/2007 - 07:00 am / quote |

*illusion

Adam_Harrison9 wrote on 08/01/2007 - 07:02 am / quote |

Man Overboard wrote:

...Dave was my favorite member of the band. Maybe because I'm an Indian too, but...he was a good guitarist. I like Infected best out of all their albums...the new one is alright, but...I don't know. Maybe Dave didn't actually write the guitar parts for the older songs, but he probably had a certain degree of influence on Deryck. The new album's just missing something to me, and it isn't just because of the guitar.

To everyone talking about punk and pop-punk...just stop. And don't slag on bands just because they're more successful than yours. Sure they're on MTV but seriously, who wouldn't want their band on there? It's a way to expose bands. Last I checked, being successful and making it big (along with love for the music) is what being in a band is all about. No success=no money. No money=no way to pay for videos, gigs, albums, studio, nothing. There.

Being on mtv also means your music sounds like generic pop-rock, that 13 year old girls can scream along to.

guitarist41 wrote on 08/01/2007 - 07:54 am / quote |

DeathForAll wrote:

I liked that guitar player (the one that left). When I first started out on guitar, that guy amazed the hell out of me. When he did that "In Too Deep" solo, I was just shocked. And I always thought he was way too good for Sum 41.

Glad to see he did something about it.

YOU FAIL.

Deryck Whibley wrote that solo and played it one the album. FACT.

Dave was practically a touring guitarist.

96' FenderStrat wrote on 08/01/2007 - 10:02 am / quote |

[b]daniel
i though punk was supposed to be simple, like green day :S maybe thats just me...

i thought that to..

str84ever wrote on 08/01/2007 - 10:29 am / quote |

to be fair very little music is played on MTV.

In terms of MTV2 saying that bands played on that are all pop punk is an understatement.

MTV2 plays a wide range of music.
MTV - none at all.

Moraina wrote on 08/01/2007 - 11:17 am / quote |

Rofl @ fin00 trying to correct grammar on a MUSIC debate forum. You typed alot, but said nothing.

arson182 wrote on 08/02/2007 - 06:35 am / quote |

str84ever wrote:

MikESPviper wrote:

daniel coogan wrote:

So thats the reason behind the guitar simplicity in the new stuff...

i though punk was supposed to be simple, like green day :S maybe thats just me...

greenday is not punk, and sum41 is borderline pop punk. if your on mtv, playing "punk" your pop punk. real punk bands do not play on mtv. Green Day is just sell out, not punk. If you want punk listen to the classics to start Sex Pistols, Ramones (pop punk) Misfits ect.

to be fair very little music is played on MTV.

In terms of MTV2 saying that bands played on that are all pop punk is an understatement.

MTV2 plays a wide range of music.
MTV - none at all.

you said it best!
watch fuse

its better than either one of the mtv's

MrShowerhead wrote on 08/02/2007 - 09:12 am / quote |

I didn't think I'd have to break this down, but apparently I have to. Pop, when placed in front of Rock or Punk or as used in 'Hip-Pop'...

IT'S SHORT FOR POPULAR! I know that most people recognize this, but people keep using pop punk as a way of differentiating bands. Pop-Punk = A band with punk roots becoming popular. The only difference between punk and pop-punk is that Pop Punk is Mainstream and Punk is not.

Geez guys... punk music AND pop punk are both so simplistic, I don't understand how the fans of such fundamental music can be so pretentious.

dankhus wrote on 08/02/2007 - 01:12 pm / quote |

Adam_Harrison9 wrote:

*illusion

No. Search the word "allusion" in a dictionary. By the way, the "No, just no." comment made me smile. Nice one!

poona wrote:

Don't you just love it how people like to pick on somebody else's grammar to make themselves look superior?

Yes, I do. Don't you just love people who TRY to be sarcastic? I don't.

Moraina wrote:
Rofl @ fin00 trying to correct grammar on a MUSIC debate forum. You typed alot, but said nothing.

It's even funnier how fin00 failed.

Now, back to the topic. Where's the news in here? They've said it right from the beginning: Dave left because he was no longer willing to play this kind of music. Basically everyone could have figured on their own all that's said in this article.
Maybe fans were expecting something different, but the new album is pretty decent and think positive: now we have two good bands instead of one. I've listened to some demos from the Brown Brigade and I think they have a fairly good chance of getting big.
And all of this argument about what punk really means is for immature louts who are just trying to pose as punks.

Damone_player07 wrote on 08/05/2007 - 11:28 am / quote |

fiendcracker wrote:

SOADrox429 wrote:

Moraina wrote:

It's clear as a day that sum41 and green day aren't punk. Beyond the whole 'they play on mtv' argument.. both bands are completely lackluster in the substance department.. It's a shocker that a band that wrote about not giving a f*ck for over 10 years puts out a psuedo political album... and hundreds of thousands of ignorant kids buy it.. on more than one level. what a joke.

That is probably the single most true thing I have ever read in my life.

yes its true... they are pop bands for kids who think they are hardcore and think they don't care about anything..they are for posers.

And then there are some of us who just like what we like, regardless of what people think, and aren't trying to be anything other than ourselves.
Personally, I prefer the newer stuff, it's simpler, but still pretty good.

And, to a good amount of people, proof read before you post, when you don't, I'm sorry to say, you're messages just don't get through.

stuartini wrote on 08/05/2007 - 05:56 pm / quote |

fender_NiNE wrote:

MrShowerhead wrote:

"Real punk bands don't play on MTV"

That's such a stupid, ignorant statement. First and foremost, punk is a mindframe, not a particular way to play music. It's the total disregard for what people want you to do and it's doing your own thing (which is why anarchy is associated with punk)

Green Day did that with "American Idiot." making a concept album in a day where album sales aren't too great, they did what they wanted to do.

Punk bands aren't on MTV or radio? So does that fact that Dropkick Murphys are all over radio make them less of a punk band? I've seen Pennywise on MTV.. are they not a punk band anymore?

People like MikESPviper piss me off because they make such stupid, juvenile, ignorant statements. Who the hell are you to be the person who decides what's punk and whats not?

But on that note.. bands like Sum 41 and Green Day, bands far along on their career, they do have freedom to make the music that they want because they have established themselves. This is one of the few instances where the record label doesn't have full control; it's just evolution.

lol alright first off, green day and sum41 aren't real punk. their pop-punk. which isnt really punk. secondly, its because they are far along in their career that they have even less writing freedom because the major labels they're on want them to stay as mainstream sounding as possible. and have you noticed how the song "Underclass Hero" sounds remarkably similar to "Fat Lip"? they're obviously only trying to stay in the limelight and not even totally involved in the music they play. ill be surprised if they even like it themselves. they just want the benjamins and thats all bands like that care about. and don't get me started on ****in good charlotte.

stuartini wrote on 08/05/2007 - 06:06 pm / quote |

ill get you started on Good Charlotte if u want. so you're saying sum41 have lost it, and they're making music that sounds like fat lip to stay in the limelight? so if you're relating GC to this, how come 'keep your hands off my girl' sounds nothing like 'lifestyles of the rich and famous'? and the fact they went all dancey on us as opposed to their old pop punk shows that they dont care what people like you think.
As for Sum41, their guitarist left. thats all there is to say really, it doesnt mean their music sucks now, its just lost that element dave brought in, and im NOT saying thats a bad thing. They're still Sum41, and whether that's punk or pop it does not matter because you can tell them from a mile off, and they make the music they want. Who cares if it isnt as punk as the Sex Pistols? They Dont care!

so u were saying how punk is about not caring and doing it your own way, right? well there we go then.

jabber025 wrote on 08/06/2007 - 08:20 pm / quote |

doesnt underclas hero have the same chorus as subject to change?...thats unexpected

"pop"punker wrote on 08/29/2007 - 08:12 pm / quote |

i understand what your saying.... you got to be true to yourself..... but you have to understand that they have families and bills now.... look at nofx: theyre against commercialism and yeah they havnt really changed their sound, but they play the very commercial warped tour, along with bad religion and the (shudder) casualties.... i think its all good....

HexaDakota wrote on 08/29/2007 - 09:34 pm / quote |

If brownsound was so much more talented, why didn't he write any of the songs. We're only hearing one side of the story here...

Lee41 wrote on 09/11/2007 - 08:23 am / quote |

HexaDakota wrote:

If brownsound was so much more talented, why didn't he write any of the songs. We're only hearing one side of the story here...

Very true, and everyone knows he was as it was him that kicked out all the solos, however from what i can gather he didnt have any enthusiasm for the band thus basically couldnt be "assed" writing any stuff for them. Ive liked Sum41 since they first came out been to see them live and i loved it .

but i must admit there new album is a dissapontment

i think we do need to hear daves side

Slevinteen wrote on 11/11/2007 - 04:25 am / quote |

The new album is pretty disappointing. Deryck really slacked off in the guitar department. However, I had heard that Deryck was the one that recorded the In Too Deep solo in the studio and also wrote The Hell Song solo. In the live performances during the Infected era he even played the first half of The Hell Song solo.

I think Dave didn't participate as much because what he had in mind as riffs was probably different than Deryck. If Dave wrote the riffs, Sum 41 might've become a metal band faster than you can cook an egg on a sidewalk and he probably didn't want that for the band.

stuartini wrote on 01/06/2008 - 10:16 am / quote |

about this 'if you play punk on mtv, you're a pop-punk band' thing, you do remember that nirvana played on mtv dont you? are they a pop-grunge band?

guitarfreak9494 wrote on 04/25/2008 - 04:00 pm / quote |

man he was cool to im upset i listen to them forever now that i found out why he quit that blows

Lipfat wrote on 07/26/2008 - 02:46 pm / quote |

GunsNRevolvers wrote:

sk8terdude9390 wrote:

MikESPviper wrote:

daniel coogan wrote:

So thats the reason behind the guitar simplicity in the new stuff...

i though punk was supposed to be simple, like green day :S maybe thats just me...

greenday is not punk, and sum41 is borderline pop punk. if your on mtv, playing "punk" your pop punk. real punk bands do not play on mtv. Green Day is just sell out, not punk. If you want punk listen to the classics to start Sex Pistols, Ramones (pop punk) Misfits ect.

ehh, it shouldn't be green day's or sum 41's fault that they were offered a record deal. if you were shown a record deal, with really good pay, i think you would consider it.

well said dude.

i agree punks dead man.. the whole punk idea was to rebel and break shit when was the last time you saw some one with a mohawk,ripped ****ed up jeans kick over some shit just to piss off a cop or anybody really

Lipfat wrote on 07/26/2008 - 02:50 pm / quote |

stuartini wrote:

fender_NiNE wrote:

MrShowerhead wrote:

"Real punk bands don't play on MTV"

That's such a stupid, ignorant statement. First and foremost, punk is a mindframe, not a particular way to play music. It's the total disregard for what people want you to do and it's doing your own thing (which is why anarchy is associated with punk)

Green Day did that with "American Idiot." making a concept album in a day where album sales aren't too great, they did what they wanted to do.

Punk bands aren't on MTV or radio? So does that fact that Dropkick Murphys are all over radio make them less of a punk band? I've seen Pennywise on MTV.. are they not a punk band anymore?

People like MikESPviper piss me off because they make such stupid, juvenile, ignorant statements. Who the hell are you to be the person who decides what's punk and whats not?

But on that note.. bands like Sum 41 and Green Day, bands far along on their career, they do have freedom to make the music that they want because they have established themselves. This is one of the few instances where the record label doesn't have full control; it's just evolution.

lol alright first off, green day and sum41 aren't real punk. their pop-punk. which isnt really punk. secondly, its because they are far along in their career that they have even less writing freedom because the major labels they're on want them to stay as mainstream sounding as possible. and have you noticed how the song "Underclass Hero" sounds remarkably similar to "Fat Lip"? they're obviously only trying to stay in the limelight and not even totally involved in the music they play. ill be surprised if they even like it themselves. they just want the benjamins and thats all bands like that care about. and don't get me started on ****in good charlotte.

exactly my point in that last comment...and besisdes why do they have this pop-punk genre any way

Lipfat wrote on 07/26/2008 - 02:55 pm / quote |

Adam_Harrison9 wrote:

dankhus wrote:

finn0 wrote:

"LAST time" and not "lat time"
You're a fool. You clearly know nothing about english as your own sentence structure is poor. This is a discussion about sum41 not english grammer.

...says someone who writes English without a capital E and misspells "grammar". Sir, you have just proven yourself to be a scavenger type (not that you would ever get the allusion
I know nothing about English, yet I could easily get a Cambridge CPE. The only problem is that I'll only be able to take the test next year.

All in all, no matter what the comments are about, they should be intelligent.

*illusion

wat does it matter if people **** up on typing..your just proving how big of a ****ing nerd you are

Rizztar wrote on 08/07/2008 - 01:43 am / quote |

well.....Dave was d coolest guy...dere were soo many amaaazin riffs around wen he was dere...I mean combined wid Derycks gr8 vocals..*dey wer gud enuf for a punk band*....Sum 41 was awsum....now since he s not dere nymore..all dats left is a cute Deryck 2 stare at..whew!

AussieBassKid wrote on 08/11/2008 - 10:29 am / quote |

when all that happened, i wasn't even in high school. so long ago, who cares??

fretman5000 wrote on 02/23/2009 - 10:27 pm / quote |

Sum41 rocks with or withut dave. The old stuff was a bit better and ,ore dynamic, but underclass was still good. I hope they go a bit more hard punk on their next album though, like on infected. I love the sound of that album. Ill always love sum and their music. They always find a way to make it sound really catchy.