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The Future Of Music Is Vinyl

artist: misc date: 09/17/2008 category: general music news
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The Future Of Music Is Vinyl

Vinyl is back. We've heard about it for the last couple years, and the Wall Street Journal is now the latest to run with the news that vinyl record sales doubled in 2007, flying in the face of the CD market's global decline. Labels are scrambling to release their new albums on vinyl, and Amazon.com's vinyl store now stocks 250,000 titles. This is more than just a passing fad. Vinyl's resurgence signals a sea change in the way music is being marketed and objectified.

Smaller, more agile record labels have lower overhead and sales, but also much more to lose, comparatively, from CD sales drying up. Influential indie labels like Sub Pop and Matador have helped spawn the vinyl trend by packaging MP3 download codes with vinyl LPs, thus allowing digital portability while still providing physical copies of their records in a more durable format than the CD. Labels like these also deal in intentional scarcity and elaborate packaging, helping to blur the line between LP and limited-edition art object.

There's money to be made in catering to a group of consumers that wants unique, non-disposable objects with collectible value and cachet, and it isn't limited to records. The American Poster Institute's Flatstock convention is now a global institution, with hundreds of artists selling expensive silk-screened concert posters, their customers fuelled by the same impulse that compels them to seek out hard-to-find vinyl.

Increasingly, larger labels sign artists to so-called "360 deals", by which they get a cut of merchandise sales and concert revenue as well. Majors seem to be jumping on the vinyl bandwagon not just for its own sake, but to help spur sales of posters and T-shirts and the rest of the promotional tchotchkes that get packaged into deluxe vinyl box sets. Their bands are becoming brands.

And while vinyl will never replace CDs, ringtones and downloads in terms of pure margin and profitability, it turns disposable major-label music into something tangible, scarce and collectible. It creates revenue streams that didn't exist five years ago. Even bands without 360 deals are being marketed aggressively. Warner Bros Records released Metallica's new album Death Magnetic in a half-dozen formats, including a five-LP version and a box set packaged in a miniature cardboard coffin.

Read the entire article at Guardian.co.uk.

POSTED: 09/17/2008 - 07:03 am
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GiantRaven wrote on 09/17/2008 - 07:53 am / quote |
Take THAT portable music!
     
edbert wrote on 09/17/2008 - 09:25 am / quote |
lmao at the title, but i'm glad to see vinyl becoming more popular, now maybe all my records will be worth something
     
BlakeIsAGod wrote on 09/17/2008 - 10:26 am / quote |
Sony/Legacy just announced that they're gonnna start releasing vinyl again too.
     
zartists.net wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:02 am / quote |
All my music is recorded on water, vinyl just doesn't cut it.

seriously though, you'll never get me to spend 4 times the amount for a record just becuase it's on vinyl, I don't care how trendy it is.
     
brentondig wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:04 am / quote |
Awesome. I better get my record player fixed. I've noticed that Sunrise has had a big collection of vinyl lately.
     
rebeltildeth87 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:04 am / quote |
i prefer vinyl. its funny that some of my new CDs came out of the package scratched when I have vinyl records that are 40 years old and work like new.
     
2mins2midnite wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:13 am / quote |
if all record labels release stuff on vinal and tape, you think that will reduce numbers of downloading and what not/file sharing?
     
 element4433   m   wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:15 am / quote |
I heard an interview and the interviewer said, "Vinyl is the cockroach of musical format." I don't think that vinyl will ever be the main way music is released again, but we should see more releases on vinyl.

Checked.
     
ferretman wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:15 am / quote |
take that technology
     
Jau_Peacecraft wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:26 am / quote |
Hopefully, vinyl players will be paid attention to & streamlined with updated technology in accordance with the surge in interest.
     
TJ1991 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:27 am / quote |
*sigh* OK, I can see vinyl was groundbreaking at the time, but it's so outdated now. When will people get over the pseudo-nostalgia and get bored of crappy quality vinyls? It's not remotely logical in any way.
     
thedarkblues06 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:28 am / quote |
I heard an interview and the interviewer said, "Vinyl is the cockroach of musical format." I don't think that vinyl will ever be the main way music is released again, but we should see more releases on vinyl.


I agree. What's wrong with a little nostalgia slapping technology around from time to time?
     
ShakeMe90 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:32 am / quote |
No one has a record player in their car....
     
-Collapse- wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:36 am / quote |
Jau_Peacecraft wrote:

Hopefully, vinyl players will be paid attention to & streamlined with updated technology in accordance with the surge in interest.


They already have, they're called DJ turntables.


zartists.net wrote:

All my music is recorded on water, vinyl just doesn't cut it.

seriously though, you'll never get me to spend 4 times the amount for a record just becuase it's on vinyl, I don't care how trendy it is.


+1
     
The_String_Man wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:36 am / quote |
TJ1991 wrote:

*sigh* OK, I can see vinyl was groundbreaking at the time, but it's so outdated now. When will people get over the pseudo-nostalgia and get bored of crappy quality vinyls? It's not remotely logical in any way.


at least vinyl is not illegal unlike those downloading stuffs
     
theotherguy7145 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:37 am / quote |
ShakeMe90 wrote:

No one has a record player in their car....


No, but its easy to get vinyl onto tape, and many people have tape players. People managed in the 80s!
Music sounds waaaay better on an original vinyl though.
     
 A7Xareabandwhohavecreatedmusicalworksthatienjoy   m   wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:40 am / quote |
TJ1991 wrote:

*sigh* OK, I can see vinyl was groundbreaking at the time, but it's so outdated now. When will people get over the pseudo-nostalgia and get bored of crappy quality vinyls? It's not remotely logical in any way.


Crappy quality?

Have you ever listened to a vinyl record?
     
Kartman wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:41 am / quote |
Yes! Illegal music pirating ftl
     
ravioli123 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:49 am / quote |
"vinyl record sales doubled in 2007"

Its not hard to double zero.

Lol, seriously though this is great to see, these days I prefer to buy an album on vinyl and then download the digital version of the album. Not getting into a debate about audio quality, but I love my vinyl collection, I have a massive collection that my parents passed on to me and I have a nice collection of modern vinyl. The major selling point for vinyl in my opinion is the bigger cover art, I have stuff like Queens "News of the World" which has fantastic cover art. I personally prefer the look of a shelf full of vinyl than a shelf full of cds, especially the fact that you can separate your favorites and have them on display in all their glory, which is alot harder to do with a tiny cd case. One point against vinyl, can't play them in your car lol
     
metaldog_USMC wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:58 am / quote |
Well. This proves once and for all that music is still running around in circles without any advancement we can truly believe in. We need a genre/group/person to come along and give the music industry a huge wake up call.
     
redhotsexmagic wrote on 09/17/2008 - 12:01 pm / quote |
ravioli123 wrote:

"vinyl record sales doubled in 2007"

Its not hard to double zero.



actually its impossible. 0(2)=0
     
biglaz84 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 12:05 pm / quote |
yeah vinyl is not crappy quality, play a record with only an acoustic guitar on it, its much more intimate and real sounding, almost as if the person is in the room with you, it doesn't have that high pitch sound that cds have
     
ravioli123 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 12:06 pm / quote |
redhotsexmagic wrote:

ravioli123 wrote:

"vinyl record sales doubled in 2007"

Its not hard to double zero.



actually its impossible. 0(2)=0


Lol, you know what I meant. Just thought there, imagine pre-2007 sales were 0, 2007 sales were 0. I kinda meant that double 0 is still 0, but you could also say that sales tripled or multiplied infinitely I realize now that you can't double zero, but it was a harmless joke, which I now killed by taking the fun out of it once more I could make a living out of killing jokes...
     
Thebridge wrote on 09/17/2008 - 12:10 pm / quote |
You guys are aware that the sound quality of vinyl absolutely trumps CDs or mp3s right?
     
soundgarden19 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 12:11 pm / quote |
Kickass, I'm not the only kid who has a vinyl collection, but I do love my cds too.
     
CJRocker wrote on 09/17/2008 - 12:12 pm / quote |
Thebridge wrote:

You guys are aware that the sound quality of vinyl absolutely trumps CDs or mp3s right?

Probably not... the best sound I've ever heard is Satisfaction on vinyl on our vintage Sears record player.
     
i_am_metalhead wrote on 09/17/2008 - 12:19 pm / quote |
Seriously, who still owns record players!?? Not that many people lol. Most people buy vinyl as collection pieces more so than to listen to an album.

Personally, I'll take my digital downloads from iTunes over a crappy vinyl album any day.
     
Anjohl wrote on 09/17/2008 - 12:22 pm / quote |
I can beleive that, the local HMV store here has been bringing in a TON of metal vinyls lately, mainly metallica and judas priest.

I wouldn't mind converting to vinyl if every vinyl album came with an mp3 download of the album in high quality.
     
perilouspete wrote on 09/17/2008 - 12:27 pm / quote |
I would buy vinyl if it wasn't $30 for an album
     
Huggy (-.-) wrote on 09/17/2008 - 12:29 pm / quote |
i_am_metalhead wrote:

Seriously, who still owns record players!?? Not that many people lol. Most people buy vinyl as collection pieces more so than to listen to an album.

Personally, I'll take my digital downloads from iTunes over a crappy vinyl album any day.

I think you'll be surprised.
I wub vinyl.
     
jetsfan4ever80 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 12:31 pm / quote |
TJ1991 wrote:

*sigh* OK, I can see vinyl was groundbreaking at the time, but it's so outdated now. When will people get over the pseudo-nostalgia and get bored of crappy quality vinyls? It's not remotely logical in any way.
Vinyls are actually superior to CD's or any digital format for that matter when it comes to sound. CD's for example are only taking snapshots of the entire sound wave where as Vinyl's, an analog medium, is capturing the entire soundwave. Audiophiles were happy when SACD's and DVD-A's came out because they were more acurately capturing the originial sound, but even they are inferior to vinyls. Vinyls may wear down easier but when at their best their sound is better than digital mediums.
     
Skittles135 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 12:46 pm / quote |
TJ1991 wrote:

*sigh* OK, I can see vinyl was groundbreaking at the time, but it's so outdated now. When will people get over the pseudo-nostalgia and get bored of crappy quality vinyls? It's not remotely logical in any way.


thank you, this is what i was thinking the entire time... glad somebody agrees.
     
stradivari310 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 12:53 pm / quote |
Thebridge wrote:

You guys are aware that the sound quality of vinyl absolutely trumps CDs or mp3s right?

This actually is not true. CD's encode audio in the full spectrum of human hearing, from 20 hz to 20,000 hz. Technically its the imperfections in a vinyl record that give it its "warmth", but there is nothing superior to a CD played through true hi-fi speakers.
     
eetfuk58 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 12:54 pm / quote |
TJ1991 wrote:

*sigh* OK, I can see vinyl was groundbreaking at the time, but it's so outdated now. When will people get over the pseudo-nostalgia and get bored of crappy quality vinyls? It's not remotely logical in any way.


you sir are stupid. ive youve ever actually hear vinyl or any analog recording you'll know how much better they sound than thse crap mp3s because they arent all compressed.
     
geetar_alex wrote on 09/17/2008 - 12:59 pm / quote |
Vinyl is expensive but i would definatley buy it more often if they came with MP3s

     
stradivari310 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 01:05 pm / quote |
eetfuk58 wrote:

TJ1991 wrote:

*sigh* OK, I can see vinyl was groundbreaking at the time, but it's so outdated now. When will people get over the pseudo-nostalgia and get bored of crappy quality vinyls? It's not remotely logical in any way.

you sir are stupid. ive youve ever actually hear vinyl or any analog recording you'll know how much better they sound than thse crap mp3s because they arent all compressed.

This is true, but only because of compression. If you take a digital format that's lossless, the quality is nearly perfect and much better than analog recordings.
     
Jackolas wrote on 09/17/2008 - 01:06 pm / quote |
Nothing sounds better.
     
heminder wrote on 09/17/2008 - 01:10 pm / quote |
vinyl >> overly compressed and overpriced digital downloads
     
Johnonon wrote on 09/17/2008 - 01:20 pm / quote |
heminder wrote:

vinyl >> overly compressed and overpriced digital downloads


+10000, i lost interest in Van Halen 1 until my friend played it on vinyl
     
sottpwn wrote on 09/17/2008 - 01:25 pm / quote |
Love the vinyl's. I have about 200 records now, new and old.
     
B.do wrote on 09/17/2008 - 01:32 pm / quote |
GiantRaven wrote:

Take THAT portable music!
yeah...I think pretty much everybody here thanks god or anything else up there for portable music...
     
Dale_By_Blimp wrote on 09/17/2008 - 02:03 pm / quote |
Skittles135 wrote:

TJ1991 wrote:

*sigh* OK, I can see vinyl was groundbreaking at the time, but it's so outdated now. When will people get over the pseudo-nostalgia and get bored of crappy quality vinyls? It's not remotely logical in any way.

thank you, this is what i was thinking the entire time... glad somebody agrees.


You are both stupid. Vinyl records are the HIGHEST quality physical format (and in general as the majority of mp3s are horrendously lossy). Sorry to single you out TJ1991 but your "I'm an educated music-listener" bit kind of peters out here. However people have already pointed out so I'll leave it at that As for i_am_metalhead... ach!
     
pwrmax wrote on 09/17/2008 - 02:18 pm / quote |
ShakeMe90 wrote:

No one has a record player in their car....


That's why each record come with an MP3 download code.
     
"Tele" Steve wrote on 09/17/2008 - 02:29 pm / quote |
Yeah, I've definitely noticed this trend, especially with more indie labels. I do collect vinyl...but mostly old/used vinyl. New vinyl tends to be more expensive than CDs.
     
kaptink wrote on 09/17/2008 - 02:37 pm / quote |
Ive got some vinyls, mostly special edition singles (we are scientists picture disc ftw)

And I love listening to vinyl on a good system, for all the bumps on my "song remains the same" vinyl It still raises a tingle in my spine that CD's rarely do.
     
BlakeIsAGod wrote on 09/17/2008 - 02:52 pm / quote |
I dont know where you guys get your vinyl, but mine is always the same price, if not cheaper than cds.
Even special colored vinyl costs maybe a buck more at most.
     
Geothermal wrote on 09/17/2008 - 02:54 pm / quote |
Heh that's cool, I've been given a load of Vinyl by my mother and my dad says I can root through his, I got a record player a couple christmases ago ^^
     
The_lizard_king wrote on 09/17/2008 - 02:55 pm / quote |
ShakeMe90 wrote:

No one has a record player in their car....


john lennon had a turntable in one of his cars.

But I have a lot of vinyl and I love it. I'm glad it could be the future of music
     
Alex4life wrote on 09/17/2008 - 02:56 pm / quote |
Just the other day i was telling a friend. The Music business has 2 ways to go nowadays. 1 Develop a new format to record music in, so download would be impossible for the next 10 years. 2 or go back to vinyl because it's a known format and hasn't been "cracked" yet. + people like vinyl more than CD's because it has more emotional value. You tell me what's more satisfying: listening to the Original Pink Floyd Dark side of the moon LP hearing the late Rick Wright play, or downloading the whole album in half an hour... That's what i thought.

     
atthedrive-thru wrote on 09/17/2008 - 02:59 pm / quote |
aren't vinyls like better quality than cds? As in sound wise, i thought i heard that before but idk for sure
     
 element4433   m   wrote on 09/17/2008 - 03:02 pm / quote |
atthedrive-thru wrote:

aren't vinyls like better quality than cds? As in sound wise, i thought i heard that before but idk for sure
I prefer the way vinyl sounds. I think it's more a matter of opinion.

Checked.
     
the_maestro wrote on 09/17/2008 - 03:05 pm / quote |
Alex4life wrote:
...or go back to vinyl because it's a known format and hasn't been "cracked" yet.



You do realize that there is a large market of USB record players in which you record from your record player straight into your computer.

Upload that in FLAC and the audiophiles are happy or mp3s for everybody else.
     
Thienskater wrote on 09/17/2008 - 03:09 pm / quote |
meh i'll stick to regular cd disc
     
hippyguitardude wrote on 09/17/2008 - 03:14 pm / quote |
wow thats retarted. although i guess some people like the way vinyls sound i personally believe it's mostly in their head. mp3s and flacs have way more of a frequency range and whatnot. the only good thing about vinyls is the album art which i really really love collecting them for but really who wants to hear that sound?
     
Themaddoctor wrote on 09/17/2008 - 03:29 pm / quote |
hippyguitardude wrote:

wow thats retarted. although i guess some people like the way vinyls sound i personally believe it's mostly in their head. mp3s and flacs have way more of a frequency range and whatnot. the only good thing about vinyls is the album art which i really really love collecting them for but really who wants to hear that sound?


If you'd listen to vinyl though a GOOD hi-fi system you would realize how much better it sounds.
     
BreakingTheGirl wrote on 09/17/2008 - 03:30 pm / quote |
people are just figuring this out now?
     
IsThereLoveInSp wrote on 09/17/2008 - 03:32 pm / quote |
zartists.net wrote:

All my music is recorded on water, vinyl just doesn't cut it.

seriously though, you'll never get me to spend 4 times the amount for a record just becuase it's on vinyl, I don't care how trendy it is.

Records cost about the same amount as cds do.
     
seanfromlj wrote on 09/17/2008 - 03:41 pm / quote |
2mins2midnite wrote:

if all record labels release stuff on vinal and tape, you think that will reduce numbers of downloading and what not/file sharing?


I don't see how it would. Tell me which is easier.

1. Pulling the record out of its sleeve, placing it on the turntable, gently setting the needle, listen to music.

2. Press play on the iPod.

People are lazy now. I can't imagine Vinyl being the "Future of Music."
     
ChucklesMginty wrote on 09/17/2008 - 03:46 pm / quote |
Vinyls are like KISS and KISS are like herpes, no matter how long it takes they'll come back eventually.
     
Iron-Rules wrote on 09/17/2008 - 03:46 pm / quote |
seanfromlj :
2mins2midnite wrote:

if all record labels release stuff on vinal and tape, you think that will reduce numbers of downloading and what not/file sharing?


I don't see how it would. Tell me which is easier.

1. Pulling the record out of its sleeve, placing it on the turntable, gently setting the needle, listen to music.

2. Press play on the iPod.

People are lazy now. I can't imagine Vinyl being the "Future of Music."


Sad But True....

I include myself
     
Savage Animal wrote on 09/17/2008 - 03:59 pm / quote |
lol so much ignorance in this topic. vinyl is the definitive medium
     
rageagainst64 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 04:02 pm / quote |
zartists.net wrote:

All my music is recorded on water, vinyl just doesn't cut it.

seriously though, you'll never get me to spend 4 times the amount for a record just becuase it's on vinyl, I don't care how trendy it is.


metalocalypse reference. nice.
     
TJ1991 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 04:10 pm / quote |
eetfuk58 wrote:

TJ1991 wrote:

*sigh* OK, I can see vinyl was groundbreaking at the time, but it's so outdated now. When will people get over the pseudo-nostalgia and get bored of crappy quality vinyls? It's not remotely logical in any way.

you sir are stupid. ive youve ever actually hear vinyl or any analog recording you'll know how much better they sound than thse crap mp3s because they arent all compressed.


fat lot of good having uncompressed sound when all you can hear is hissing over the top. i am aware that mp3s and the like are compressed but uncompressed digital media is still far superior, and much more practical.
     
TJ1991 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 04:13 pm / quote |
Dale_By_Blimp wrote:

Skittles135 wrote:

TJ1991 wrote:

*sigh* OK, I can see vinyl was groundbreaking at the time, but it's so outdated now. When will people get over the pseudo-nostalgia and get bored of crappy quality vinyls? It's not remotely logical in any way.

thank you, this is what i was thinking the entire time... glad somebody agrees.

You are both stupid. Vinyl records are the HIGHEST quality physical format (and in general as the majority of mp3s are horrendously lossy). Sorry to single you out TJ1991 but your "I'm an educated music-listener" bit kind of peters out here. However people have already pointed out so I'll leave it at that As for i_am_metalhead... ach!


i just fail to see the argument when people are going about how a good vinyl has amazing sound quality in comparison to mp3s, yet if you get a good mp3 then the quality's just as good and infinitely more practical. the argument just doesnt stand up for me. and i'm sorry if i came across with a stuck up "i'm an educated music listener" attitude, i was merely giving my opinion like everyone else.
     
TheBloodstained wrote on 09/17/2008 - 04:19 pm / quote |
Vinyl is cool and all, but I'll stick to cd's! Besides, the increase in sales of vinyl must come from all the DJ's out there. My brother is a DJ and he has tons of vinyls with different club remixes....

And also, isn't there alot of wear and tear on vinyls? I don't wan't my music with background noises!
     
WhereArtEsteban wrote on 09/17/2008 - 04:27 pm / quote |
zartists.net wrote:

All my music is recorded on water, vinyl just doesn't cut it.

seriously though, you'll never get me to spend 4 times the amount for a record just becuase it's on vinyl, I don't care how trendy it is.


I don't know what you mean, new vinyl cost pretty much exactly the same as cd's at the place I go to. In some cases less....
     
Gдbe wrote on 09/17/2008 - 04:29 pm / quote |
Just like back in the days, 5-10 $ an album, or about the same amount on hi-fi tapes, and on top of that good radio shows without any commercial boring shit played every second or so.
     
kevinm4435 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 04:39 pm / quote |
GiantRaven wrote:

Take THAT portable music!


take THAT, convenience!

i am, however, a huge vinyl advocate. it genuinely sounds better.
     
slaptasticdave wrote on 09/17/2008 - 04:41 pm / quote |
As if I didn't need another reason to love sub-pop.
     
edgeyyz wrote on 09/17/2008 - 04:52 pm / quote |
Hey morons - vinyl has way better quality than CD's, tapes, digital downloads, etc. Look it up. I love vinyls both as collectibles and for the amazing quality.
     
NimbleElephant wrote on 09/17/2008 - 04:59 pm / quote |
TJ1991 wrote:

*sigh* OK, I can see vinyl was groundbreaking at the time, but it's so outdated now. When will people get over the pseudo-nostalgia and get bored of crappy quality vinyls? It's not remotely logical in any way.


I have some of the same records on vinyl as I do on CD and I prefer to listen to the vinyl. I think the quality's better. It depends on what condition the vinyl is in. I mint vinyl is better than a mint CD any day.
     
ten_years_after wrote on 09/17/2008 - 05:02 pm / quote |
i_am_metalhead :
Seriously, who still owns record players!?? Not that many people lol. Most people buy vinyl as collection pieces more so than to listen to an album.

Personally, I'll take my digital downloads from iTunes over a crappy vinyl album any day.
people that know quality, i hope this doesnt catch on as a new trendy thing like swooping your hair to the side like a fag, if you want to hear something really good check out a vinyl that is digitally remastered, its ****ing awesome. also you can scratch vinyl and it will still play, you can spill soda and it will play and if it skips you can accually fix it instead of skipping to the next song
     
ten_years_after wrote on 09/17/2008 - 05:09 pm / quote |
hippyguitardude wrote:

wow thats retarted. although i guess some people like the way vinyls sound i personally believe it's mostly in their head. mp3s and flacs have way more of a frequency range and whatnot. the only good thing about vinyls is the album art which i really really love collecting them for but really who wants to hear that sound?


If you'd listen to vinyl though a GOOD hi-fi system you would realize how much better it sounds.
right on, for some reason the first time anyone now listens to an album its on one of those crappy built in speaker phonographs that you get from infomercials, that sound like shit, it has to be from an acual stereo, the album also has to be clean and no dust bunnies on the needle
     
Nybb wrote on 09/17/2008 - 05:10 pm / quote |
lern2musik

Vinyls are NOT superior to digital audio that has not been compressed, such as .flac files.

Vinyls ARE superior to destructively-compressed audio such as .mp3's.


The comparison between digital and analog audio is based on PREFERENCE ONLY (when the digital media in question has not been compressed, obviously).
     
KThxBai. wrote on 09/17/2008 - 05:12 pm / quote |
yeah im old enough to remember when cds came in and it was like 'wow this is so clear', i think the best idea is to use lossless files with a valve amp like the zvex. im using my mesa boogie power amp with my iriver mp3 player and flac files and it works superbly.
     
jakewynnrocks wrote on 09/17/2008 - 05:13 pm / quote |
ive bought a few vinyls, they freakin rock!!!
     
Flying Afros wrote on 09/17/2008 - 05:19 pm / quote |
hooray for Sub Pop!
     
TXtech_iceman wrote on 09/17/2008 - 05:30 pm / quote |
i just pre-ordered black ice on vinyl... its like a collectors item
     
Hdap101 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 05:32 pm / quote |
zartists.net wrote:

All my music is recorded on water, vinyl just doesn't cut it.

seriously though, you'll never get me to spend 4 times the amount for a record just becuase it's on vinyl, I don't care how trendy it is.


Firstly, not really 4 times more.
Secondly, It sounds so much better.
     
Bananapatata wrote on 09/17/2008 - 05:39 pm / quote |
GiantRaven wrote:

Take THAT portable music!


what's wrong with portable music?
     
ravioli123 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 05:40 pm / quote |
Hdap101 wrote:

zartists.net wrote:

All my music is recorded on water, vinyl just doesn't cut it.



What do you mean by "recorded on water", maybe i'm just being stupid, but I don't know what you mean
     
Johnonon wrote on 09/17/2008 - 05:41 pm / quote |
CBofJAWBREAK wrote:

some jews up in hollywood are afraid of losing money...


Seriously? Do you really have to bring bigotry in?

Anyways, i just picked up a vinyl of the fabulous thunderbirds' tuff enuff for 5 bucks
     
ALittlesEnough wrote on 09/17/2008 - 05:41 pm / quote |
Vinyl is awesome. All I have to say.
     
pyropunkrocker wrote on 09/17/2008 - 05:44 pm / quote |
Ive been buying vinyl a lot lately. Im glad to see it is coming back into style. Its really nice not only for the bands but for the artists who help to design the album (if its not the musicians themselves.) Im so happy to hear this!
     
Nebjy wrote on 09/17/2008 - 06:01 pm / quote |
Vinyl is okay

I like CDs and Tapes more though
more portable

     
f1sk wrote on 09/17/2008 - 06:08 pm / quote |
actually the future is already here they're called mp3s

it looks more like a fun hobby but also a pain in the ass

     
Jamie_W wrote on 09/17/2008 - 06:08 pm / quote |
in a more durable format than the CD


?????
     
Gundam pilota09 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 06:15 pm / quote |
zartists.net wrote:

All my music is recorded on water, vinyl just doesn't cut it.

seriously though, you'll never get me to spend 4 times the amount for a record just becuase it's on vinyl, I don't care how trendy it is.


vinyl actually has better sound quality that cds or mp3s wich have the shit tone and anything that could ever be mistaken for human processed out of em. vinyls come straight from the masters.
     
uberphreak wrote on 09/17/2008 - 06:19 pm / quote |
I started my own little collection of vinyl last year... I've got some neat stuff, like an original pressing of the Beatles' first album and an original pressing of Aerosmith's first record, among other things, and slightly more obscure stuff, as well as newer records such as Opeth and Lamb of God stuff.

From personal experience, I highly recommend for anyone who is not into vinyl... take a record you know and love, and listen to quite often. Now, go buy it on vinyl, sit down, and really give it a good listen. I think in most cases you'll find that it's a much fuller experience, with better sound and overall quality.

I
     
ExperienceGypsy wrote on 09/17/2008 - 06:26 pm / quote |
vinyl actually has better sound quality that cds or mp3s wich have the shit tone and anything that could ever be mistaken for human processed out of em. vinyls come straight from the masters.
thank you! i cant believe no one else said this. Vinyls are as close of a representation of the original sound as you can get, unsurpassed in sound quality.
     
antifaith213 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 06:27 pm / quote |
zartists.net wrote:

All my music is recorded on water, vinyl just doesn't cut it.


+1
     
jthm_guitarist wrote on 09/17/2008 - 06:31 pm / quote |
CDs might be better just because of the portability, but the overall best medium (besides an mp3 player full of high quality mp3s) is the cassette tape. I can honestly hear the boost in quality compared to a CD straight from the store. No skipping, either.
     
Sloopy wrote on 09/17/2008 - 06:37 pm / quote |
Vinyl's great, I've still got all the records I bought as a kid and they all play great! Portability and wear and tear is an issue though. It's great to see them back!
     
Tenacious Z wrote on 09/17/2008 - 06:50 pm / quote |
Why buy cds when Beck's new album is a few bucks cheaper on vinyl and includes free mp3 downloads? It's a growing trend.

The only time a vinyl sounds crappy is if the master tapes sound crappy. Or if it's a poorly made bootleg.
     
jpgilbert701 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 06:57 pm / quote |
i see this as another way for labels to screw the consumer out of more money. Vinyl albums cost like triple what a normal cd costs.
     
wanderinghippie wrote on 09/17/2008 - 06:59 pm / quote |
No matter how trendy it is???

Have you ever LISTENED to a vinyl record.

And then COMPARED is to a digital version.

For a musician the difference should be obvious and totally worth the extra cash for the albums that mean something to you.
     
metalscott76 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 07:08 pm / quote |
2mins2midnite wrote:

if all record labels release stuff on vinal and tape, you think that will reduce numbers of downloading and what not/file sharing?



I think your on to something
     
reverse17 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 07:09 pm / quote |
stradivari310 wrote:

Thebridge wrote:

You guys are aware that the sound quality of vinyl absolutely trumps CDs or mp3s right?
This actually is not true. CD's encode audio in the full spectrum of human hearing, from 20 hz to 20,000 hz. Technically its the imperfections in a vinyl record that give it its "warmth", but there is nothing superior to a CD played through true hi-fi speakers.


Ignorance is bliss! Bandwidth is NOT the reason why Vinyl's are superior to CD's (or any digital media, actually). Have you ever heard anything about "Sampling" at all? Technically, - compared to any digital media - a cleanly recorded Analog media ALWAYS produces soundwaves which are closer to the ones that you would hear live!
     
MTVget0FFtheAIR wrote on 09/17/2008 - 07:14 pm / quote |
Excellent news! Really great stuff. I prefer the sound of vinyl myself, I play LP's whenever I'm in the house, unfortunately they aren't quite as handy as ipods to carry around...
     
Tedward wrote on 09/17/2008 - 07:25 pm / quote |
TJ1991 wrote:

*sigh* OK, I can see vinyl was groundbreaking at the time, but it's so outdated now. When will people get over the pseudo-nostalgia and get bored of crappy quality vinyls? It's not remotely logical in any way.



actually vinyls are like the best quality music due to the music never being compressed into a format.

And nostalgia is the reason a lot of people like them so why would they want to get over it?


all my favourite bands already released limited edition copies in really artsy sleeves and stuff, which is one reason i love all the small labels like Hydra Head and Translation Loss etc. So really this will just make it less 'cool' to have vinyls.

its cool that they are putting codes with them though, I think that that is a really great idea.
     
led,rainsong wrote on 09/17/2008 - 07:49 pm / quote |
this guy i know says that he prefers vinyl because it gives a better sound

kinda like tube vs ss amps

mmmm warm
     
edbert wrote on 09/17/2008 - 07:55 pm / quote |
led,rainsong wrote:

this guy i know says that he prefers vinyl because it gives a better sound

kinda like tube vs ss amps

mmmm warm


+1

my friend just picked up an original master of dark side of the moon and he said it blew his mind how much better than cd, mp3, or even regular vinyl it was
     
Mr. Acquiesce wrote on 09/17/2008 - 08:00 pm / quote |
Hey Oasis' new collector's edition box of their new album Dig Out Your Soul will have two CD one DVD, a book, and 4 VINYLS lol. Oasis now how to keep up to date lol
     
radioplay wrote on 09/17/2008 - 08:15 pm / quote |
"Influential indie labels like Sub Pop and Matador have helped spawn the vinyl trend by packaging MP3 download codes with vinyl LPs"

cool so i can download songs and play them on my....oh wait.

did anyone else find that ironic?
     
DSchmitty wrote on 09/17/2008 - 08:20 pm / quote |
Probably cuz Death Magnetic was released on vinyl as well, .

But honestly, the vinyl sales went pretty good on the new album cuz they're back order for months.
     
K!!LsWiTcH wrote on 09/17/2008 - 08:20 pm / quote |
i can understand someone saying cds are betetr than vinyls but mp3s are highly compressed.
     
verona_bassist wrote on 09/17/2008 - 08:21 pm / quote |
thedarkblues06 wrote:

I heard an interview and the interviewer said, "Vinyl is the cockroach of musical format." I don't think that vinyl will ever be the main way music is released again, but we should see more releases on vinyl.


I agree. What's wrong with a little nostalgia slapping technology around from time to time?


yeah, i agree but, there has to be a down side, right??? (i didnt see any down side in the article)
     
Tatersalad1080 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 08:26 pm / quote |
sick now i can scratch to the new metallica album!
     
clasp wrote on 09/17/2008 - 08:36 pm / quote |
I WAZ ON THIS BANDWAGON FIRST!~~~~~
     
Dingoman wrote on 09/17/2008 - 08:41 pm / quote |
maybe there is hope...
     
Altered_Carbon wrote on 09/17/2008 - 08:58 pm / quote |
Hey kids! Be retro! Spend money! Buy our obsolete shit!
Yeah...Records are great and all, but this is simply whoring...
     
<Paper Cuts> wrote on 09/17/2008 - 09:24 pm / quote |
Sweet! My friend and I had just been talking about record-hunting a week ago! Now we can finally do it!
     
estabon37 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 09:32 pm / quote |
Call me weird, but I think the medium music is presented on is irrelevant compared to the music being presented. Shit music on vinyl is still shit music. Radiohead on any medium is still awesome - and most bands these days record digitally anyhow.

But really, if you want TRUE LOSSLESS format - go see a band LIVE. Straight from their instuments to your ears. Saw Opeth in Melbourne recently and their performance killed their recordings.
     
Helloween4Ever wrote on 09/17/2008 - 09:37 pm / quote |
kickass! my records are cool again!
     
RaDiOhEaDfAn121 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 10:02 pm / quote |
estabon37 wrote:

Call me weird, but I think the medium music is presented on is irrelevant compared to the music being presented. Shit music on vinyl is still shit music. Radiohead on any medium is still awesome - and most bands these days record digitally anyhow.

But really, if you want TRUE LOSSLESS format - go see a band LIVE. Straight from their instuments to your ears. Saw Opeth in Melbourne recently and their performance killed their recordings.


I so agree. +1
     
RaDiOhEaDfAn121 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 10:06 pm / quote |
Major labels will follow any trend as long as it is profitable. It's a cool idea. Maybe even some older people who grew up with vinyl will buy it. When I say older I don't mean just like elderly old. I mean like people in their late 20s early 30s.
     
bobmcdoog wrote on 09/17/2008 - 10:14 pm / quote |
I think the problem is that vinyl has the potential to sound better, if its a good pressing, if it isnt worn, and if you have it hooked up to a good hi-fi system. Unfortunately thats not always the case, most modern records ive heard have been manufactured poorly to cut costs and just dont sound as good as they could have. So in an ideal world vinyl>cds>mp3 but thats not always the case.
     
InsomniaRocks wrote on 09/17/2008 - 10:14 pm / quote |
This message board proves why vinyl has had such a hard time coming back. I'd bet a lot of money that most of these people knocking vinyl are kids who have never, ACTUALLY, listened to a real record. Or if they have, it was a 20 + year old record on their parents' 1970 ElectroPhonic with original needle.
Brand new vinyl on a modern record player (even a 100 dollar one) can have just about the same accuracy as a CD. And when you take into account that most people have subpar speakers and an inability to discern the difference between for example, 192 kps and 300 kps any difference in quality really becomes negligible.
If you are one of the people harping on the sound quality of vinyl, answer this: Do you cringe when listening to MP3's because of the grainy sound quality? When you pop in a CD do say "ahhh now that's more like it"? I'm betting, no, you don't. Because surprisingly many people are blissfully unaware that their fancy Mp3's are very poor audio quality compared to the CD's from which they were ripped and compressed (think: WAV vs Mp3).
If you have a difficult time telling the difference between a song playing from iTunes and the same song playing from a CD, then you have no reason to knock the quality of vinyl vs a CD, which is negligible with modern records and modern equipment.

Not to mention, ALL that I just said disregards the fact that records are just way more badass than CD's anyway. The artwork is bigger; think of putting a piece of a vinyl album artwork on your wall vs putting a tiny CD booklet on your wall. They last longer; every cd I ever bought in the past 6-7 years is now just a piece of plastic because they scratch so goddamn easy, meanwhile I still listen to records from the 70's and 80's.
Putting on a record and watching it spin as it spits out music that it physically cut into it's surface is a beautiful thing, and it's about damn time they made a comeback in the mainstream.
     
Tenacious Z wrote on 09/17/2008 - 10:34 pm / quote |
All I know is, Zep II sounds infinitely more warm and lively on vinyl than it does on mp3.
     
deathbyawesome wrote on 09/17/2008 - 10:41 pm / quote |
I love the sound of vinyl. Cracks and pops aside, the music just feels so much more, for lack of a better word, alive.
     
therescue06 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 10:47 pm / quote |
GiantRaven wrote:

Take THAT portable music!


lmao
     
Shinozoku wrote on 09/17/2008 - 10:49 pm / quote |
zartists.net wrote:

All my music is recorded on water, vinyl just doesn't cut it.

seriously though, you'll never get me to spend 4 times the amount for a record just becuase it's on vinyl, I don't care how trendy it is.
ROFL!!!!! You deserve at LEAST +2 internets.
     
sum41freak8733 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 10:53 pm / quote |
i love how people are saying "Vinyls will be expensive" yet spend hundreds of dollars on mp3 players
     
51VH50 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 10:53 pm / quote |
i just got into vinyl. and you know what? the physical quality is not as good as a cd. but when you listen to it you hear a difference. to me it just sounds so much more, alive.
     
ibanez_guru wrote on 09/17/2008 - 10:53 pm / quote |
LOL, now i can walk around with a turntable in my backpack, hooked up to a car battery and throw my ipod out. FTW
     
Melodic_Rocker wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:06 pm / quote |
People are still paying for music??? Ok then...
     
Alpha_Wolf wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:06 pm / quote |
I bought Ride the Lightning on vinyl recently, and it sounds great. I don't know why you all of you are saying they cost so much, it was around $15...
     
Hamsterboy420 wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:14 pm / quote |
TJ1991 wrote:

*sigh* OK, I can see vinyl was groundbreaking at the time, but it's so outdated now. When will people get over the pseudo-nostalgia and get bored of crappy quality vinyls? It's not remotely logical in any way.


listening to a record on vinyl has nothing to do with nostalgia. vinyl adds something to the music that it loses with mp3s and cds.
     
-heartbreaker- wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:19 pm / quote |
I stopped buying CDs a long time ago.
why listen to compressed shit when I can enjoy analog quality?
     
BKGMorley wrote on 09/17/2008 - 11:29 pm / quote |
GiantRaven wrote:

Take THAT portable music!


Ha, how weird would it be if they came out with a portable vinyl player.
     
revolution102 wrote on 09/18/2008 - 12:25 am / quote |
vinyls are great!! i have a big collection, got from various relatives, that when played on a good record player hooked into my stere sound a thousand times better than my mp3s. even if there are some blips it still sounds better. and looking at the covers makes you realize how much more intricate and amazing some albums are.

     
jimmy2579 wrote on 09/18/2008 - 01:00 am / quote |
it's all a matter of choice...the usual analog vs. digital bs...i am upgrading to a tube amp though finally but that's besides the point, why don't they just record vinyl-quality mp3s?
     
jimmy2579 wrote on 09/18/2008 - 01:03 am / quote |
wait, what about little mini vinyl things that play on this little ipod shuffle lookin tunebox... now that would be the stuff. y'know keepin it portable
     
manmanster wrote on 09/18/2008 - 01:17 am / quote |
zartists.net wrote:



seriously though, you'll never get me to spend 4 times the amount for a record just becuase it's on vinyl, I don't care how trendy it is.


I know right? Come on now. Seems ridiculous that people would be willing to pay those outrageous prices for a single album.
     
Serjem wrote on 09/18/2008 - 01:26 am / quote |
vinyls r better!
     
captainwacky wrote on 09/18/2008 - 01:28 am / quote |
huh? *snap* what? *crackle-pop* I cant hear you...*fizzle* SSSHHHHRRIIIZZZZIPT
     
saberrocks wrote on 09/18/2008 - 02:03 am / quote |
ChucklesMginty wrote:

Vinyls are like KISS and KISS are like herpes, no matter how long it takes they'll come back eventually.

...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA xD
MAJOR LOL!

     
Tophue wrote on 09/18/2008 - 02:20 am / quote |
i have about 10 times more vinyl records than i do CDs
     
revengedspite wrote on 09/18/2008 - 02:26 am / quote |
If I could afford a decent record player and a really good sound system I would probrably do this. The whole USB thing sounds good cause I still want to have my music with me when I go out. It sounds like something to do when I actually finish school and live in my own place...I saw some Children Of Bodom vinyls and I nearly picked them up just for collectors stuff
     
One Big Mob!!! wrote on 09/18/2008 - 02:35 am / quote |
estabon37 wrote:

Call me weird, but I think the medium music is presented on is irrelevant compared to the music being presented. Shit music on vinyl is still shit music. Radiohead on any medium is still awesome - and most bands these days record digitally anyhow.

But really, if you want TRUE LOSSLESS format - go see a band LIVE. Straight from their instuments to your ears. Saw Opeth in Melbourne recently and their performance killed their recordings.


I totally agree, I saw Iron Maiden a few months back and it was insane.
     
Amroth wrote on 09/18/2008 - 03:11 am / quote |
Vinyl's the way to go. Though I rather look upon transporting my collection with grief..
     
joshua029 wrote on 09/18/2008 - 03:30 am / quote |
edbert wrote:

lmao at the title, but i'm glad to see vinyl becoming more popular, now maybe all my records will be worth something


+1, my mom has hundreds of vinyls of some huge names "back in her day" and i think she would deserve to make some money off keeping them in perfect condition over the years.
     
Night_Lights wrote on 09/18/2008 - 04:13 am / quote |
vinyl has that WARMTH. Comparing vinyl to CD... the difference is like between a marshall MG and the real tube deal XD
     
-xCaMRocKx- wrote on 09/18/2008 - 04:14 am / quote |
It's pretty cool vinyl is coming back, but calling it the future of music is pretty laughable.
     
gallagher2006 wrote on 09/18/2008 - 06:22 am / quote |
Doubling 100 sales to 200 sales isn't that impressive :P

In my experience, Vinyl gives a nicer sound, but it's so damn inconvenient. Not to mention they are easily broken. One small scratch and it skips. Bad crack when that happens.
     
The_Raven wrote on 09/18/2008 - 06:27 am / quote |
I PREDICTED THIS!!!SO DID NOSTRADAMUS!!!
     
trashbeast wrote on 09/18/2008 - 06:47 am / quote |
but.. cd's are so small and convenient.. why can't people just take care of them?
     
James_Calalo wrote on 09/18/2008 - 07:23 am / quote |
jeez how I am going to put the songs from vinyl then rip it to MP3 to put it on my IPOD unbelievable future of music?? its a collectors item but it will sound horrible after decades of abused and its not even portable
     
fdrstrat wrote on 09/18/2008 - 07:43 am / quote |
People still buy vinyl for the same reason people buy tube amplufiers over solid-state ones. It's just the analogue vs digital debate all over again. There's more life to music on vinyl records, but that doesn't detract from the fact they are very inconvinient, like everyone is saying. The idea of a vinyl walkman is hilarious though!
     
Cheesepuff wrote on 09/18/2008 - 07:46 am / quote |
How the hell does vinyl work anyway? You got a low tech needle stripped to a circular piece of vinyl that can create sounds. It's more complex technology than CDs if ya ask me.
     
Cheesepuff wrote on 09/18/2008 - 07:51 am / quote |
And... I don't have a record player...
     
ThunderPX wrote on 09/18/2008 - 08:32 am / quote |
Somehow, reading a lot of these comments, I hear Billy Corgan saying them in my head.
     
Alex4life wrote on 09/18/2008 - 08:39 am / quote |
Vinyl is absolutely not more expensive then a CD, most of the time there a lot cheaper!
People who are whining about that you could easily take your USB-microphone and record the stuff from vinyl to computer are not thinking correctly. because when you record it, in wich format do you record. that's right MP3!! and if you didn't read it yet. Vinyl is Better than MP3. There is no way to get anything to sound like vinyl then vinyl itself. It's an experience on it's own. i'd be happy to release an LP of my own oneday. Ok, it's not as portable as an IPOD but Vinyl is for the times you really have time for Music, the times were you just want to listen to great sound! For portable stuff .flac files are best!
     
roarinflames wrote on 09/18/2008 - 09:54 am / quote |
InsomniaRocks wrote:

This message board proves why vinyl has had such a hard time coming back. I'd bet a lot of money that most of these people knocking vinyl are kids who have never, ACTUALLY, listened to a real record. Or if they have, it was a 20 + year old record on their parents' 1970 ElectroPhonic with original needle.
Brand new vinyl on a modern record player (even a 100 dollar one) can have just about the same accuracy as a CD. And when you take into account that most people have subpar speakers and an inability to discern the difference between for example, 192 kps and 300 kps any difference in quality really becomes negligible.
If you are one of the people harping on the sound quality of vinyl, answer this: Do you cringe when listening to MP3's because of the grainy sound quality? When you pop in a CD do say "ahhh now that's more like it"? I'm betting, no, you don't. Because surprisingly many people are blissfully unaware that their fancy Mp3's are very poor audio quality compared to the CD's from which they were ripped and compressed (think: WAV vs Mp3).
If you have a difficult time telling the difference between a song playing from iTunes and the same song playing from a CD, then you have no reason to knock the quality of vinyl vs a CD, which is negligible with modern records and modern equipment.

Not to mention, ALL that I just said disregards the fact that records are just way more badass than CD's anyway. The artwork is bigger; think of putting a piece of a vinyl album artwork on your wall vs putting a tiny CD booklet on your wall. They last longer; every cd I ever bought in the past 6-7 years is now just a piece of plastic because they scratch so goddamn easy, meanwhile I still listen to records from the 70's and 80's.
Putting on a record and watching it spin as it spits out music that it physically cut into it's surface is a beautiful thing, and it's about damn time they made a comeback in the mainstream.


i recently bought Lateralus on vinyl
and it wasnt that much different than the cd version

then again the cd was recorded in HD so i dont think there would really be difference
     
j.pagejr. wrote on 09/18/2008 - 10:52 am / quote |
Vinyl is what nature intended
     
Broken_Drum wrote on 09/18/2008 - 10:52 am / quote |
I buy vinyl mostly for the artwork, the sound quality is a welcome change but I can live with 192Kbit MP3s.
     
nodice182 wrote on 09/18/2008 - 11:05 am / quote |
Vinyl is kinda cool, just the physical experience of playing it. I honestly don't notice too much difference in sound quality though.

There is absolutely no way that vinyl is making a comeback though. Special editions, box sets, sure, but people aren't going to be buying records the way they were 30 years ago.

Like it or not, digital is the way of the future.
     
ten_years_after wrote on 09/18/2008 - 12:11 pm / quote |
Helloween4Ever :
kickass! my records are cool again!
you need an article to tell you rather your record collectoin is concidered "cool" again or not, why is everyone after the new craze instead of having a mind of thier own
     
seanfromlj wrote on 09/18/2008 - 05:58 pm / quote |
I'm sure this guy is happy to hear that vinyl is the future.

http://www.thegreatestmusiccollection.com
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