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The Hives Sued For Plagiarism

artist: hives date: 10/31/2008 category: general music news
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The Hives are set to be sued for alleged plagiarism by Los Angeles-based songwriter Jason Shapiro.

Shapiro is planning to sue the Swedish band for allegedly plagiarising his song "Why You?", recorded by the Roofies in 1997 then again by Three Way in 2002, on their 2007 single "Tick Tick Boom", reports the LA Times.

The songwriter claimed that "Tick Tick Boom" uses a vocal melody and riff from his song. He said he consulted a musicologist before deciding to sue.

"He [the musicologist] said the part in question - the main riff and vocal melody - was very similar and its uniqueness led him to believe it wasn't just a coincidence," he said. "He also runs it through a background test seeing if any charts from previous songs are close and we were clear on that front."

Shapiro added: "I absolutely love The Hives and don't feel great about suing a band I love. But I also feel credit is due where it is due if you borrow a riff."

Thanks for the report to Nme.com.

POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 08:47 am
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comments policy  139  comments posted, 9 removed | this article is 94% spam-free
     
Phe4rTheGod wrote on 10/31/2008 - 10:09 am / quote |
Lame bands using lame recycled riffs...
     
rush4life wrote on 10/31/2008 - 10:49 am / quote |
Too bad he'll have to sue the imaginary Randy Fitzsimmons...
     
ChucklesMginty wrote on 10/31/2008 - 10:50 am / quote |
I'm so sick of musical legal battles.
     
latinosuperstud wrote on 10/31/2008 - 10:51 am / quote |
^thats true, they are more brilliant than i would have thought at first.... ilove their music.
     
latinosuperstud wrote on 10/31/2008 - 10:51 am / quote |
^to rush4life, not chuckles
     
me_llamo_juan wrote on 10/31/2008 - 11:04 am / quote |
ChucklesMginty wrote:

I'm so sick of musical legal battles.

Me too.
     
Strato-Massacre wrote on 10/31/2008 - 11:21 am / quote |
"I absolutely love The Hives and don't feel great about suing a band I love.
im calling bs on that one.
     
PIMO wrote on 10/31/2008 - 11:43 am / quote |
wait he said it was similar that doesnt mean it was the same exact riff seriously thats pretty dumb :S it could be a coincidence now. by chance the hives may have put it in there not knowing that it was from those songs i mean seriously this is just bound to happen cmon think about it some band right now could be making a song thats already been made and playing it the same exact way and call it their own without knowing it :S just what i think is all :P
     
FiveStarMotel wrote on 10/31/2008 - 11:49 am / quote |
Just listened to parts of both songs, theyn don't sound too similar.

But whatever, I'm sure the Hives will be ok.
     
Chrisiphone wrote on 10/31/2008 - 11:52 am / quote |
Booooo!
The Hives rock.
Whats wrong with a quick word over coffee?
     
ChordMonger wrote on 10/31/2008 - 11:56 am / quote |
who cares?
the Hives have not, nor ever will make good music
     
SRVNumberOne wrote on 10/31/2008 - 11:57 am / quote |
the songs both sound the same


and they both suck
     
skagitup wrote on 10/31/2008 - 12:03 pm / quote |
clearly stolen. you can tell from just the general feel of it. almost identical riffs, one song that goes "I-WANT-YOU" to complete the chorus and the other one that goes "TICK-TICK-BOOM". the hives should just stick him there as a co-writer and it's sorted.
     
Tyler Durden wrote on 10/31/2008 - 12:07 pm / quote |
every riff these days are recycled and borrowed
     
brantley23 wrote on 10/31/2008 - 12:12 pm / quote |
if he loves the band so much he would jus talk to them about it get some sort of out of court shit or jus a "sorry" from them. idk how u could cause all this drama with a band you "love"
     
mfkr wrote on 10/31/2008 - 12:16 pm / quote |
Everything is stolen.
Get over it.
     
 element4433   m   wrote on 10/31/2008 - 12:22 pm / quote |
In every genre of music you're going to find a few songs that sound alike. I highly doubt that the Hives blatantly stole the song.

Checked.
     
new_age_reject wrote on 10/31/2008 - 12:23 pm / quote |
Everything is stolen from blues.
     
mtllica wrote on 10/31/2008 - 12:23 pm / quote |
if you love a band, then why sue them?
     
llama_guitarist wrote on 10/31/2008 - 12:39 pm / quote |
Chrisiphone wrote:

Booooo!
The Hives rock.
Whats wrong with a quick word over coffee?
My thoughts exactly. I hate how everyone has to run to the courts for every little thing without trying to do something about it first.
     
2mins2midnite wrote on 10/31/2008 - 12:39 pm / quote |
everyone wants one thing and one thing only:

.....Money Money Money.....
     
Blackflame47 wrote on 10/31/2008 - 12:41 pm / quote |
Every single metal riff is stolen from Sabbath, yet you don't see Iommi sueing.
     
chris_red wrote on 10/31/2008 - 12:51 pm / quote |
Strato-Massacre wrote:

"I absolutely love The Hives and don't feel great about suing a band I love.
im calling bs on that one.


+34526323412423432434565676
     
red_hot_chili18 wrote on 10/31/2008 - 01:06 pm / quote |
2mins2midnite wrote:

everyone wants one thing and one thing only:

.....Money Money Money.....


+1

any excuse, maybe people will listen to this guys stuff now too =/
     
Mr_Jones wrote on 10/31/2008 - 01:09 pm / quote |
rush4life wrote:

Too bad he'll have to sue the imaginary Randy Fitzsimmons...


Best quote today. Winner winner chicken dinner.

Yeah i'll never say that again. Sorry.
     
taatelikoira wrote on 10/31/2008 - 01:15 pm / quote |
omg that's the same riff. I would understand if it was some simple chord progression but this one...
     
arcticradiohead wrote on 10/31/2008 - 01:32 pm / quote |
rush4life wrote:

Too bad he'll have to sue the imaginary Randy Fitzsimmons...


hahaha.

i kind of doubt the hives would rip this off the guy. i mean especially with this type of music, there's bound to be some songs that randomly sound the same. and is it really necessary to sue over this? for some reason i have a feeling that if it was someone not as big as the hives are, or even a song off the album that wasn't a single, this shapiro character wouldnt be sueing.

p.s. i tried to find this guy's song to be fair and see how close it is, but i can't find it. hmm
     
YourMessiah666 wrote on 10/31/2008 - 01:42 pm / quote |
the hives rock
     
ALLCINGI wrote on 10/31/2008 - 01:49 pm / quote |
"Blackflame47 :
Every single metal riff is stolen from Sabbath, yet you don't see Iommi sueing.
POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 12:41 pm / quote |
."
That's true i can think of twenty bands off the top of my head that have borrowed riffs from sabbath ,sabbath is very influentual and i've never heard of Tony Iommi sueing .Hell he 's probably flattered he influenced that many guitarist including myself .Nobody will forget Iommi's work ever period he's is the godfather of modern metal.So therefore how can you not make a metal song and base it around something Sabbath did first.
     
AngryGoldfish wrote on 10/31/2008 - 01:58 pm / quote |
I dislike only a few bands. Hives are one of them. This just reiterates my thoughts. For once, I was right!
     
_InsanitY_ wrote on 10/31/2008 - 02:30 pm / quote |
the songs sound nothing like each other. that dude has serious issues...
     
tommytomtomtom wrote on 10/31/2008 - 02:36 pm / quote |
why does the guy care? its a sweet song!! he shouldnt sue them, but thank them!
     
Soroki wrote on 10/31/2008 - 02:52 pm / quote |
This shit happens all the time...I myself was writing a song, but the main riff sounded like the main riff to Buckethead's Soothsayer in many ways, but I didn't know that until I heard the song weeks later...
     
gabrielr wrote on 10/31/2008 - 02:54 pm / quote |
This is retarded. Musicians have been learning and using eachothers riffs, styles and techniques for thousands of years. For some reason, only in the last 10 years has it become something to sue over.

Then again, I guess if you can sue Macdonalds for hot coffee, you can sue anyone for anything. I hope this Shapiro guy gets a good smack in the face, before its too late to save any sort of musical career he hopes to have. What a little bitch.
     
sadistic_monkey wrote on 10/31/2008 - 03:06 pm / quote |
It being similar isn't enough. He's some small time LA singer songwriter, if he can't prove that they've heard the song he has no case.
     
whoismilan wrote on 10/31/2008 - 03:08 pm / quote |
Even if Shapiro does not win the case, this desperate stunt has given him loads of free publicity.
     
locomotive4 wrote on 10/31/2008 - 03:32 pm / quote |
The Hives > Roofies
     
Prince of Rinse wrote on 10/31/2008 - 03:54 pm / quote |
Who are The Hives? Oh wait , yeah that really poor band. Oh well.
     
strat0blaster wrote on 10/31/2008 - 04:05 pm / quote |
Shapiro shouldn't sue them - he should decapitate them for shaming his music with their suck. I don't like either of them, but I like the hives less - both the band AND the rash.
     
qotsa1998 wrote on 10/31/2008 - 04:09 pm / quote |
If you loved a band and felt bad about sueing em, then why do it in the first place, unless your a greedy idiot? And really, with music being like it is, some songs are gonna sound the same. And with all of the songs the Hives have done being credited to a "Randy Fitzsimmons," Mr. Shapiro is gonna have a hard time sueing and getting money from "Randy."
     
dannystro527 wrote on 10/31/2008 - 04:33 pm / quote |
somewhat sounds alike. but the hives riff is a bit different, the verse riff in Tick Tick Boom only has 4 power chords, and Why You? has 6 chords. and the choruses are different. this guy is just pissed because he probably doesnt have any money
     
Fred1000000 wrote on 10/31/2008 - 04:57 pm / quote |
I actually like the hives, and I have no idea who Jason Shapiro is. So, naturally, I'm all for the Hives on this one.
     
Chrisiphone wrote on 10/31/2008 - 04:57 pm / quote |
In terms of successfulness (to the haters)
The Hives > You
Stop saying "the hives suck", go back to your "music" and stop flaming others.
     
 aig91   m   wrote on 10/31/2008 - 05:34 pm / quote |
Checked
     
Ducky-Kun wrote on 10/31/2008 - 05:34 pm / quote |
Well I can see how the "Yeaaaaah" and the riff are really similar... But that's really about it... Who cares =_=
     
That-Funny-Guy wrote on 10/31/2008 - 05:39 pm / quote |
tick tick boom is a great song
     
steppsteph wrote on 10/31/2008 - 06:06 pm / quote |
I-need-money
     
Tallman1984 wrote on 10/31/2008 - 06:12 pm / quote |
Its funny how all these lawsuits always come from either artists who are relatively unknown to the general public, or once huge artists who are now past their prime. You don't see the former members of Nirvana getting legal with Fall Out Boy for putting out a single with a chorus containing a lyric they clearly ripped off of "Drain You".
     
WALKE5 wrote on 10/31/2008 - 06:52 pm / quote |
The problem is, there is attually a limited amount of chord progressions, lead lines etc. on rock guitar that eventually you are gonna get some repeat. The simple fact is that each rock band has some form of riff off of some other rock band. Luckily each band has different lyrics and different styles of lead singers and amp setups that makes it so different that stops rock music becoming a repeatative mush.

The point im trying to make is artists really should realise this and stop trying to sue for plagamism and shit. Surely people realise that it is impossibile for someone to have heard everysong ever (therefore they know they are ripping off a riff) and that it is not an impossibility that someone thousand of miles away from someone else thought up the same riff as them. Guitar based artists should realise this and appreciate how different a song another artist has created with the same chord progession.

On the point of whos been ripped off the most in rock music, then Chuck Berry should be a ****ing million form plagasism claims. (to be honest, he prob a million anyway).
     
ruker wrote on 10/31/2008 - 07:22 pm / quote |
Wow, a "The" band that sounds like every other "The" band about to be sued for plagiarism??? Nooooo, who would've thunk that.... HAHA!
     
estabon37 wrote on 10/31/2008 - 07:37 pm / quote |
While there's certainly a limit as far as chords and melodies go, there's a wide range of tones, effects, time signatures, picking styles, etc. You can reuse the same chords as another song as long as you use them in a different way.

Of course, some bands don't mind repeating themselves.

METALLICA: Unforgiven, Unforgiven II (III doesn't have the same chord progression)
OFFSPRING: Gotta Get Away, Have You Ever; Come Out And Play, Pretty Fly
R.E.M.: Driver 8, Imitation Of Life
     
Derrikb wrote on 10/31/2008 - 07:38 pm / quote |
yes. definately very very similar. im gonna go with ripped off. but nothings gunna happen. the law is slow as ****.
     
Derrikb wrote on 10/31/2008 - 07:41 pm / quote |
but a band who is way past their time and nowhere near famous would sue for plaigarism. just to get a headline or money.
     
slashzsystem wrote on 10/31/2008 - 08:10 pm / quote |
+1
Strato-Massacre wrote:

"I absolutely love The Hives and don't feel great about suing a band I love.
im calling bs on that one.
     
Birchall17 wrote on 10/31/2008 - 08:23 pm / quote |
How does this guy know that the hives are a fan of his music? For all he knows, they could have never herd of him or any of his music before now, I know I never have.
If he likes them then why sue them? Sounds like someone is trying to make themselves out as less of a dick.
     
Laces Out Danny wrote on 10/31/2008 - 08:33 pm / quote |
I would say it's just a coincidence.

How the **** would it even get called "unique?!" it's just a few chords as I see it in that riff in question.
     
allfooie wrote on 10/31/2008 - 08:37 pm / quote |
Every single metal riff is stolen from Sabbath, yet you don't see Iommi sueing."


the new definition of hyperbole!!
     
lutfish wrote on 10/31/2008 - 08:39 pm / quote |
It's the same ****ing song, just with different lyrics, lol.
Shame on you, Hives... Shame on you!
     
Smokey Amp wrote on 10/31/2008 - 09:53 pm / quote |
Eh, what a nob-end.
     
Ironpriest wrote on 10/31/2008 - 10:35 pm / quote |
Every single metal riff is stolen from Sabbath, yet you don't see Iommi sueing."


yup. i actually read somewhere that the guitarist from judas priest dosn't care if people use their similar ideas, he admires that people like their tunes.

about the hives, i love em and im seeing them at the end of the year
     
TK1 wrote on 10/31/2008 - 10:43 pm / quote |
even if they "stole" a riff, its called inspiration.

and what about techno artists???


WHAT ABOUT KANYE WEST STEALING HARDER BETTER FASTER STRONGER?!?!
     
von tratt wrote on 10/31/2008 - 11:04 pm / quote |
Not a minute too soon for the hives to get sued. I only read the title, but thats the only thing I need to know to say whatI think anyway
     
Soul-Monger wrote on 10/31/2008 - 11:56 pm / quote |
TK1 wrote:

even if they "stole" a riff, its called inspiration.

and what about techno artists???


WHAT ABOUT KANYE WEST STEALING HARDER BETTER FASTER STRONGER?!?!


Sadly, that was actually a collab between the two artists... and Kanye West.

Zing?
     
AXmichigan wrote on 11/01/2008 - 12:02 am / quote |
oh whatever man
just enjoy music

its all love anyway
     
AXmichigan wrote on 11/01/2008 - 12:02 am / quote |
ps - wtf is a musicologist?
     
41plus182 wrote on 11/01/2008 - 01:14 am / quote |
gabrielr wrote:

This is retarded. Musicians have been learning and using eachothers riffs, styles and techniques for thousands of years. For some reason, only in the last 10 years has it become something to sue over.

Then again, I guess if you can sue Macdonalds for hot coffee, you can sue anyone for anything. I hope this Shapiro guy gets a good smack in the face, before its too late to save any sort of musical career he hopes to have. What a little bitch.

Filip413 wrote:

money *****, i wrote the riff, worship me and tell me how great i am, wow look out somebody sounds similar and they're cashing in on it, better take them to court.

Fuck off man this is stupidity, i laugh at him

I laugh at you. Who wouldn't take the opportunity to get some cash?
     
Seidenschnur wrote on 11/01/2008 - 01:15 am / quote |
Free headlines for anyone willing to sue!
     
brentondig wrote on 11/01/2008 - 01:33 am / quote |
I'm quite surprised no suing ensued between any of The Strokes, the Killers, or Franz Ferdinand. They all sound just about the same to me when I listen to them...
     
BassFishin wrote on 11/01/2008 - 01:34 am / quote |
wow, what a tool. get over it! its not about credit and money and all that.
     
BassFishin wrote on 11/01/2008 - 01:35 am / quote |
AXmichigan wrote:

ps - wtf is a musicologist?


oh, about 250 pounds. lives with his mom in a basement apartment. 40 years old. spend all day trying to decipher what nirvana's lyrics 'mean' and so far has come up with nothing. oh, and don't forget all of the mini pizzas he LOVES to eat for every meal of the day!
     
Tw8xy wrote on 11/01/2008 - 01:44 am / quote |
wow, zep and black sabbath would be ****ing trillionaires by now.
     
syngates07 wrote on 11/01/2008 - 01:51 am / quote |
I'm pretty sure all that the hives did to write that song involved them being drunk and deciding to spell out B-E-D in power chords.
     
pantericadeth wrote on 11/01/2008 - 02:30 am / quote |
lol id like it if a band i loved stole my music. just means you are good haha. i would sue if it was metallica tho. they have 4895 trillion dollars so. they could give me a lil credit
     
DrShreddington wrote on 11/01/2008 - 03:04 am / quote |
You know, as much as I am a finn, and as much as I hate swedes due to that, I still think this is a rather mega blow it out your ass idiotic thing to sue someone about.
     
Gmurcielago14 wrote on 11/01/2008 - 03:06 am / quote |
ChucklesMginty wrote:

I'm so sick of musical legal battles.

I think everyone is.
     
Gmurcielago14 wrote on 11/01/2008 - 03:07 am / quote |
BassFishin wrote:

AXmichigan wrote:

ps - wtf is a musicologist?

oh, about 250 pounds. lives with his mom in a basement apartment. 40 years old. spend all day trying to decipher what nirvana's lyrics 'mean' and so far has come up with nothing. oh, and don't forget all of the mini pizzas he LOVES to eat for every meal of the day!

I loled.
     
Cutlass_253 wrote on 11/01/2008 - 03:25 am / quote |
I don't know...actually yes I do. This is the first time I'd ever heard either of those songs, or either of those bands.

My verdict is...if I heard either one of those songs in the car I wouldn't be able to tell which is which. I'd say based on that he has a case.

Obviously they're not the exact same, but it seems pretty damn similar to me.
     
Bananapatata wrote on 11/01/2008 - 04:05 am / quote |
Strato-Massacre wrote:

"I absolutely love The Hives and don't feel great about suing a band I love.
im calling bs on that one.

yes. haha
     
Bartlett wrote on 11/01/2008 - 04:40 am / quote |
ilike the song but after a few times its bloody annoying thank god it aint on the radio anymore
     
bigal224 wrote on 11/01/2008 - 04:51 am / quote |
In the words of Igor Stravinsky: "A good composer does not imitate; he steals".
     
bozomatt wrote on 11/01/2008 - 06:02 am / quote |
Soroki wrote:

This shit happens all the time...I myself was writing a song, but the main riff sounded like the main riff to Buckethead's Soothsayer in many ways, but I didn't know that until I heard the song weeks later...



yeah same, I was trying to write something, and then I realised I had completely made the intro to do it for the kids like exactly! I guess great minds think alike joke
     
Geormajesty wrote on 11/01/2008 - 07:35 am / quote |
They do sound alike, but in the style of music they play most songs do. I've never heard of The Roofies or Three Way, and I doubt the Hives have either, especially seeing as they're from a small town in Sweden, so I think it's just an unlucky coincidence. All this guy wants is a little money and publicity now he's washed up.
     
Plarx wrote on 11/01/2008 - 07:38 am / quote |
Music is made up of notes....certain notes are in certain scales. pick a scale and you're limited to the notes you can use kind of.. i havnt heard the song but it's probably a common musical progression and they decided to pick this one and say.."sue!!"

Its the same as skating. you might think you invented a trick until you see someone else do it... i dunno...im tired...skating all day...i came 3rd in a comp today btw....sigh

Bad musicians make bad music. Lazy and bad musicians steal other bad musician's music. lul


im high
     
MadGoat wrote on 11/01/2008 - 08:10 am / quote |
Jesus christ, who cares.

No musician, that's right NO MUSICIAN, can be 100% original all the time. You can pick ANY song, and compare it with the millions of songs that have been written in human history, and you WILL find similarities. So does that mean that it's plagiarism? Of course not! Hell, The Hives have probably never heard of Shapisso guy, so I doubt the bands members sat down around a table discussing which part of the song they should steal.

Screw people who whine about plagiarism. People who sue only do it for the money, and people who complain about plagiarism completely miss the point.
     
Axl_Explosion wrote on 11/01/2008 - 08:26 am / quote |
whoismilan wrote:

Even if Shapiro does not win the case, this desperate stunt has given him loads of free publicity.


THAT is all he is doing this for. The guy is some small-time bar rat most likely and happened to hear a song from a relatively mainstream band like The Hives, noticed it had some similarities to something he'd written, and saw an opportunity for a payday. The songs both suck, but The Hives can get away with a bad song or two, this guy can't afford to, so instead of trying to make a good song, he's gonna go for the easy payoff. I hope he loses, too. Idiot.
     
turksegitarist wrote on 11/01/2008 - 10:29 am / quote |
Coldplay's Viva la Vida has a very very very 'similar' part with Satch's If I Could Fly!!

Check it here:

     
turksegitarist wrote on 11/01/2008 - 10:44 am / quote |
Coldplay's Viva la Vida has a very very very 'similar' part with Satch's If I Could Fly!!

Check it on youtube
     
DimebagRob wrote on 11/01/2008 - 11:09 am / quote |
turksegitarist wrote:

Coldplay's Viva la Vida has a very very very 'similar' part with Satch's If I Could Fly!!

Check it on youtube


Yeah I watched that.
     
Powerchild wrote on 11/01/2008 - 01:12 pm / quote |
I'm calling it- this isn't going to hold up in court for a variety of reasons- the most important being, that if in fact it is just the "Main Riff," you are LEGALLY allowed to use 8 bars from someone else's song. Furthermore, after that, he does have to prove that They have heard that song, which is really ****ed up. How in this world can you expect every musician to listen to every song ever written so he won't be able to copy it? bullshit I say.

And since The Hives are from Europe, and if I was from any part of Europe, I wouldn't be listening to some small LA- based indie songwriter. That is impossible for him to expect that they have heard his song and want to rip him off.

Furthermore, if Lenny Kravitz can get away with constantly ripping off Jimi Hendrix, then anyone can get away with anything.
     
ratmblink123 wrote on 11/01/2008 - 01:24 pm / quote |
Wow.
This is so dumb, I just listened to the songs, and the similarity isn't that close. The Hives rock, and this guy is just jealous because he was in a 90's band that never took off.

Lame.
     
PumpkinPieces wrote on 11/01/2008 - 01:31 pm / quote |
Whoever came up with the twelve bar blues riff is missing out on some serious cash.....
     
thereverendsoup wrote on 11/01/2008 - 02:50 pm / quote |
Man, if someone got sued every time a song used a riff or chord progression another song used, the courts would be overloaded with that shit.
     
dst127 wrote on 11/01/2008 - 03:02 pm / quote |
Powerchild wrote:
Furthermore, if Lenny Kravitz can get away with constantly ripping off Jimi Hendrix, then anyone can get away with anything.


AGREED
     
Exxol wrote on 11/01/2008 - 04:26 pm / quote |
Chrisiphone wrote:

Booooo!
The Hives rock.
Whats wrong with a quick word over coffee?


whats wrong with asking an artist/writer to use their material?
     
TWISTEDFender wrote on 11/01/2008 - 04:47 pm / quote |
when you make music as simple and stupid as the Hives do, you're bound to do something that sounds exactly like something else.
     
JackA$$daba$$ wrote on 11/01/2008 - 05:02 pm / quote |
he can sue if he wants but he aint gonna win coz you can't copyright riffs, there are loads of songs out there that sound similar and no-ones ever sued because its not worth it the guy is a dumbass.
     
trendkill- wrote on 11/01/2008 - 05:03 pm / quote |
Blackflame47 wrote:

Every single metal riff is stolen from Sabbath, yet you don't see Iommi sueing.


oh ur sooo right
XD
     
roythereaper wrote on 11/01/2008 - 06:12 pm / quote |
First of all, who the hells is Jason Shapiro? I agree that these legal battles are becoming tiring.
     
facethewaste wrote on 11/01/2008 - 06:14 pm / quote |
Blackflame47 wrote:

Every single metal riff is stolen from Sabbath, yet you don't see Iommi sueing.
not even close
     
Tabassco wrote on 11/01/2008 - 07:32 pm / quote |
Damn the guy. I constantly "invent" something, only to hear from one of my friends that I stole it from somethihng I don't even know. Sueing people for plagiarism in the music industry is BS
     
zapatista89 wrote on 11/01/2008 - 07:38 pm / quote |
estabon37 wrote:

While there's certainly a limit as far as chords and melodies go, there's a wide range of tones, effects, time signatures, picking styles, etc. You can reuse the same chords as another song as long as you use them in a different way.

Of course, some bands don't mind repeating themselves.

METALLICA: Unforgiven, Unforgiven II (III doesn't have the same chord progression)
OFFSPRING: Gotta Get Away, Have You Ever; Come Out And Play, Pretty Fly
R.E.M.: Driver 8, Imitation Of Life


i think metallica have an excuse in the sense that its a sequel, that still doesnt sound exactly the same and is half a step lower
     
emich wrote on 11/01/2008 - 07:48 pm / quote |
lol **** those songs are almost exactly the same. the hives deserved to be sued here
     
BurningTheLives wrote on 11/01/2008 - 08:20 pm / quote |
Tyler Durden wrote:

every riff these days are recycled and borrowed


I honestly don't agree with him suing them. There are so many bands, and so many guitar riffs created that it most likely you are going to copy someone without knowing it. There's only so many guitar tunings before you break your strings, or before you become a death metal band, which plagiarize each day.
     
x_thurston_x wrote on 11/01/2008 - 08:48 pm / quote |
I don't think anyone should have "ownership" over something so abstract as sound or music. And I mean that in a sense that there are so many limitless possibilities and combinations that owning any part of it is just absurd.

I mean granted there are circumstances where one artist completely rips off another artist. But if it's not the same song, then get over it. Music is art.

What's next? One painter will sue another for using the same colors he did in one of his lame unsuccessful works.
     
Highwaytohell wrote on 11/01/2008 - 08:49 pm / quote |
Noob
there are so many riffs that are re-used and recycled and put over and over again by so many different bands. Its to common to have a simaliar riff, I think that this guy is being a tool for suing someone for this. If it were the lyrics i could understand, but the riff? comon. I guess the inventor of the 2-5-1 and 1-5-4 progressions should sue everyone.
     
DrShreddington wrote on 11/01/2008 - 08:55 pm / quote |
huh what do you know I changed my mind? I still think suing for music similarity is rather dumb but you guys should actually take the time to go listen to these two songs, as they sound so similar, I couldn't tell one from the other. Its the exact same notes on the guitar with the exact same vocal tone. Yes, riffs get recycled all the time, but I doubt such an astonishingly obvious similarity in the songs wasnt intentional
     
jay2029 wrote on 11/01/2008 - 09:25 pm / quote |
NOBODY BETTER USE THE B-G-A CHORD PROGRESSION ON I'LL SUE!!!!
ACTUALLY DON'T EVEN USE THOSE CHORDS AT ALL OR I SUE!!!

lame
     
TimmaPSI wrote on 11/01/2008 - 11:44 pm / quote |
PIMO wrote:

wait he said it was similar that doesnt mean it was the same exact riff seriously thats pretty dumb :S it could be a coincidence now. by chance the hives may have put it in there not knowing that it was from those songs i mean seriously this is just bound to happen cmon think about it some band right now could be making a song thats already been made and playing it the same exact way and call it their own without knowing it :S just what i think is all :P
     
Jondy wrote on 11/01/2008 - 11:45 pm / quote |
bloody hell i want to be a musicologist. that sounds so cool. then people would come to me for musical consultations, hell yeah, that's the job for me.
     
TimmaPSI wrote on 11/01/2008 - 11:46 pm / quote |
i thought up a riff about three years ago that sounded exactly like no one knows by Queens of the Stone Age. The twist is that i didnt hear the song until year later on a Burger King commercial. that stuff does happen.
     
motorbreath_445 wrote on 11/01/2008 - 11:59 pm / quote |
strat0blaster :
Shapiro shouldn't sue them - he should decapitate them for shaming his music with their suck.


lol, that was funny
     
Scott_Zeppelin wrote on 11/02/2008 - 01:18 am / quote |
Blackflame47 wrote:

Every single metal riff is stolen from Sabbath, yet you don't see Iommi sueing.


Iommi pwns. I think he would only feel blessed that people want to continue and use what he created, this guy should feel the same. I guess the only difference is that Iommi is a legend, this guy plain sucks.
     
ifeastonbums wrote on 11/02/2008 - 01:21 am / quote |
They really do sound damned near the same. I'm not saying that they stole it for sure, but I can see why this guy feels like he has a case.

People saying that suing for plagiarism is bs, isn't well thought out. Although it is true that coincidences do happen, some times people out right steal things. A lot of people have said that stealing is just a part of music. I don't think that is true. You can definatly be inspised by something, and follow on a similar path, but outright stealing is different.


     
think11270 wrote on 11/02/2008 - 02:54 am / quote |
First of all, these songs are extremely similar and
Id be different if it was just the guitar, but since the vocals also have a similar pattern it shows me that it can't be a coincidence.
It could just be subconscious though, I sometimes write something but then realize I subconsciously borrowed it.
I'd like to hear the end result of this case, I can understand where the guy is coming from, I'd be a bit irritated if some bigger band "stole" a song (riff and vocal melody) from me and used it as "their" single.
     
Nightwatchman10 wrote on 11/02/2008 - 05:19 am / quote |
oh well
     
TheStruction wrote on 11/02/2008 - 06:04 am / quote |
rush4life wrote:

Too bad he'll have to sue the imaginary Randy Fitzsimmons...


Hehe, true!
     
ghost12332 wrote on 11/02/2008 - 09:18 am / quote |
Lets face it, a guitar only has so many notes. Eventually when using power chords, riffs will be copied whether you realize it or not.

However the vocals.... Well who knows really, maybe he just heard it somewhere the day before he composed it and never really thought about it? Its a pretty hard thing to win a court case over.
     
Chromex wrote on 11/02/2008 - 09:51 am / quote |
The riffs aren't very similair, and I've heard the same vocal melody in lots of songs.
     
Xomezu wrote on 11/02/2008 - 09:51 am / quote |
Dark Side of the Moon album syncs up with Wizard of Oz. TIEM 2 SUE!!!11111
     
I-Watch-Anime wrote on 11/02/2008 - 10:14 am / quote |
estabon37 wrote:



Of course, some bands don't mind repeating themselves.

METALLICA: Unforgiven, Unforgiven II (III doesn't have the same chord progression)
OFFSPRING: Gotta Get Away, Have You Ever; Come Out And Play, Pretty Fly
R.E.M.: Driver 8, Imitation Of Life


You forgot AC/DC: Every song they've ever written.
     
liam1107 wrote on 11/02/2008 - 10:28 am / quote |
its obvious that over the course of time riffs and melodies and whatever else are obviously going to have to sound very similar. we cant keep coming up with new riffs etc when we keep using the same musical system
the music indiustry is all to hell nowadays, its all about money, doesnt matter about the music
sad days
     
Wigert wrote on 11/02/2008 - 11:15 am / quote |
Damned Americans and suing everyone for everything.
     
BszyjkaA4 wrote on 11/02/2008 - 01:05 pm / quote |
If you guys havent heard, Chad Kroeger is attempting to sue himself for stealing his own riffs and recycling them. He'll probably win.
     
lopezmetalmunky wrote on 11/02/2008 - 01:28 pm / quote |
Jesus, guys. Seriously, everything in music is a copy of a copy of a copy. Somewhere, someone along the line has played your awesome riff just like you did, 'cept you got famous. Does that mean that Joe Nobody will sue Kirk Hammet for using his riff?
YOUR ANSWER: HELL NO.
     
LazySandman wrote on 11/02/2008 - 02:02 pm / quote |
I-Watch-Anime wrote:

estabon37 wrote:



Of course, some bands don't mind repeating themselves.

METALLICA: Unforgiven, Unforgiven II (III doesn't have the same chord progression)
OFFSPRING: Gotta Get Away, Have You Ever; Come Out And Play, Pretty Fly
R.E.M.: Driver 8, Imitation Of Life

You forgot AC/DC: Every song they've ever written.


I'd still buy it...
     
 Confusius   m   wrote on 11/02/2008 - 04:00 pm / quote |
checkles.
     
LegsOnEarth wrote on 11/02/2008 - 04:07 pm / quote |
ChucklesMginty wrote:

I'm so sick of musical legal battles.

me three
     
skux wrote on 11/02/2008 - 04:08 pm / quote |
ReeseKillsHIV wrote:

Tw8xy wrote:

wow, zep and black sabbath would be ****ing trillionaires by now.


Actually, Zeppelin stole more music than they wrote. Lawl.


actually zep credited the songs they 'stole' so technically they didnt steal it. And technically your an idiot
     
adslam3 wrote on 11/02/2008 - 04:39 pm / quote |
beware of blatant sarcasm: uh oh...the hives being sued by the "famous" jason shapiro who put out such great hits as...um...who is this guy?! i'm sure the hives are asking the same question (even though jason shapiro and roofies and three way are in everyone's cd players and the tops of the charts for years present, past and future...even more famous than green day's "dookie")
     
A-440 wrote on 11/02/2008 - 07:05 pm / quote |
skux wrote:

ReeseKillsHIV wrote:

Tw8xy wrote:

wow, zep and black sabbath would be ****ing trillionaires by now.


Actually, Zeppelin stole more music than they wrote. Lawl.


actually zep credited the songs they 'stole' so technically they didnt steal it. And technically your an idiot


actually, not until those songs were re-released.
also, i don't think anyone's to blame here. you can't write a song with 3 chords and expect no other song to sound exactly like it.
     
Lithium717 wrote on 11/02/2008 - 07:52 pm / quote |
"I absolutely love The Hives and don't feel great about suing a band I love."


If you loved them, you wouldn't sue them.

Lying faggot.
     
Gibjian wrote on 11/02/2008 - 08:14 pm / quote |
Tyler Durden wrote:

every riff these days are recycled and borrowed

bull shit

and lithium your retarted
     
BreakingTheGirl wrote on 11/02/2008 - 11:22 pm / quote |
the jason shapiro's song songs like a shitty 80s song that everyone like for all of 2 weeks and then hated.
the hives are great but tick tick boom sucks too/
makes sense.
     
DANZIG767 wrote on 11/03/2008 - 12:35 am / quote |
Blackflame47 wrote:

Every single metal riff is stolen from Sabbath, yet you don't see Iommi sueing.


/\ thats the dumbest thing anyone has said on one of these forums
     
grantjames wrote on 11/03/2008 - 04:41 am / quote |
Hehe, someone obviously needs some money.
     
wicked_hobbit wrote on 11/03/2008 - 09:41 am / quote |
Shapiro added: "I absolutely love The Hives and don't feel great about suing a band I love. But I also feel credit is due where it is due if you borrow a riff."

Bollocks. We all know you mean "i heard a familiar melody and i thought this is a good way to get money and recognition"
     
wicked_hobbit wrote on 11/03/2008 - 09:50 am / quote |
PumpkinPieces wrote:

Whoever came up with the twelve bar blues riff is missing out on some serious cash.....


Golden.
     
connorlawhorne wrote on 11/03/2008 - 11:25 am / quote |
Has it occurred to anyone that only a legally retarded person would blatantly steal a guitar riff and think they could get away with it? Apparently this song was in some itunes commercial or something, so I'm pretty sure before someone ripped it off, they would think, "oh some people might recognize this since it's been on this here television set." No one as famous as the Hives would knowingly risk their careers in that way.
     
deadlyMETAL wrote on 11/03/2008 - 05:25 pm / quote |
DANZIG767 wrote:

Blackflame47 wrote:

Every single metal riff is stolen from Sabbath, yet you don't see Iommi sueing.

/\ thats the dumbest thing anyone has said on one of these forums

/\ That's about the funniest thing I've seen on UG in a month or two, considering this is an article's comment rather than a forum.

Aside, I'm glad Page never sued when people used his pentatonic licks in their songs. I mean, look at Slash, he'd be sued through the nose if Page were as childish as these Shapiro!
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