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The Hives are set to be sued for alleged plagiarism by Los Angeles-based songwriter Jason Shapiro.
Shapiro is planning to sue the Swedish band for allegedly plagiarising his song "Why You?", recorded by the Roofies in 1997 then again by Three Way in 2002, on their 2007 single "Tick Tick Boom", reports the LA Times.
The songwriter claimed that " Tick Tick Boom" uses a vocal melody and riff from his song. He said he consulted a musicologist before deciding to sue.
"He [the musicologist] said the part in question – the main riff and vocal melody - was very similar and its uniqueness led him to believe it wasn't just a coincidence," he said. "He also runs it through a background test seeing if any charts from previous songs are close and we were clear on that front."
Shapiro added: "I absolutely love The Hives and don't feel great about suing a band I love. But I also feel credit is due where it is due if you borrow a riff."
Thanks for the report to Nme.com.
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Phe4rTheGod
: Lame bands using lame recycled riffs...POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 10:09 am / quote |
rush4life
: Too bad he'll have to sue the imaginary Randy Fitzsimmons...POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 10:49 am / quote |
latinosuperstud
: ^thats true, they are more brilliant than i would have thought at first.... ilove their music.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 10:51 am / quote |
me_llamo_juan
: ChucklesMginty wrote:
I'm so sick of musical legal battles. |
Me too.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 11:04 am / quote |
Strato-Massacre
: "I absolutely love The Hives and don't feel great about suing a band I love.
im calling bs on that one.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 11:21 am / quote |
PIMO
: wait he said it was similar that doesnt mean it was the same exact riff seriously thats pretty dumb :S it could be a coincidence now. by chance the hives may have put it in there not knowing that it was from those songs i mean seriously this is just bound to happen cmon think about it some band right now could be making a song thats already been made and playing it the same exact way and call it their own without knowing it :S just what i think is all :PPOSTED: 10/31/2008 - 11:43 am / quote |
FiveStarMotel
: Just listened to parts of both songs, theyn don't sound too similar.
But whatever, I'm sure the Hives will be ok.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 11:49 am / quote |
Chrisiphone
: Booooo!
The Hives rock.
Whats wrong with a quick word over coffee?POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 11:52 am / quote |
ChordMonger
: who cares?
the Hives have not, nor ever will make good musicPOSTED: 10/31/2008 - 11:56 am / quote |
SRVNumberOne
: the songs both sound the same
and they both suckPOSTED: 10/31/2008 - 11:57 am / quote |
skagitup
: clearly stolen. you can tell from just the general feel of it. almost identical riffs, one song that goes "I-WANT-YOU" to complete the chorus and the other one that goes "TICK-TICK-BOOM". the hives should just stick him there as a co-writer and it's sorted.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 12:03 pm / quote |
Tyler Durden
: every riff these days are recycled and borrowedPOSTED: 10/31/2008 - 12:07 pm / quote |
brantley23
: if he loves the band so much he would jus talk to them about it get some sort of out of court shit or jus a "sorry" from them. idk how u could cause all this drama with a band you "love"POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 12:12 pm / quote |
mfkr
: Everything is stolen.
Get over it.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 12:16 pm / quote |
m
: In every genre of music you're going to find a few songs that sound alike. I highly doubt that the Hives blatantly stole the song.
Checked. POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 12:22 pm / quote |
mtllica
: if you love a band, then why sue them?POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 12:23 pm / quote |
llama_guitarist
: Chrisiphone wrote:
Booooo!
The Hives rock.
Whats wrong with a quick word over coffee? | My thoughts exactly. I hate how everyone has to run to the courts for every little thing without trying to do something about it first.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 12:39 pm / quote |
2mins2midnite
: everyone wants one thing and one thing only:
.....Money Money Money.....POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 12:39 pm / quote |
Blackflame47
: Every single metal riff is stolen from Sabbath, yet you don't see Iommi sueing.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 12:41 pm / quote |
chris_red
: Strato-Massacre wrote:
"I absolutely love The Hives and don't feel great about suing a band I love.
im calling bs on that one. |
+34526323412423432434565676POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 12:51 pm / quote |
red_hot_chili18
: 2mins2midnite wrote:
everyone wants one thing and one thing only:
.....Money Money Money..... |
+1
any excuse, maybe people will listen to this guys stuff now too =/POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 01:06 pm / quote |
Mr_Jones
: rush4life wrote:
Too bad he'll have to sue the imaginary Randy Fitzsimmons... |
Best quote today. Winner winner chicken dinner.
Yeah i'll never say that again. Sorry.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 01:09 pm / quote |
taatelikoira
: omg that's the same riff. I would understand if it was some simple chord progression but this one...POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 01:15 pm / quote |
arcticradiohead
: rush4life wrote:
Too bad he'll have to sue the imaginary Randy Fitzsimmons... |
hahaha.
i kind of doubt the hives would rip this off the guy. i mean especially with this type of music, there's bound to be some songs that randomly sound the same. and is it really necessary to sue over this? for some reason i have a feeling that if it was someone not as big as the hives are, or even a song off the album that wasn't a single, this shapiro character wouldnt be sueing.
p.s. i tried to find this guy's song to be fair and see how close it is, but i can't find it. hmmPOSTED: 10/31/2008 - 01:32 pm / quote |
ALLCINGI
: "Blackflame47 :
Every single metal riff is stolen from Sabbath, yet you don't see Iommi sueing.
POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 12:41 pm / quote |
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That's true i can think of twenty bands off the top of my head that have borrowed riffs from sabbath ,sabbath is very influentual and i've never heard of Tony Iommi sueing .Hell he 's probably flattered he influenced that many guitarist including myself .Nobody will forget Iommi's work ever period he's is the godfather of modern metal.So therefore how can you not make a metal song and base it around something Sabbath did first.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 01:49 pm / quote |
AngryGoldfish
: I dislike only a few bands. Hives are one of them. This just reiterates my thoughts. For once, I was right!POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 01:58 pm / quote |
_InsanitY_
: the songs sound nothing like each other. that dude has serious issues...POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 02:30 pm / quote |
tommytomtomtom
: why does the guy care? its a sweet song!! he shouldnt sue them, but thank them!POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 02:36 pm / quote |
Soroki
: This shit happens all the time...I myself was writing a song, but the main riff sounded like the main riff to Buckethead's Soothsayer in many ways, but I didn't know that until I heard the song weeks later...POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 02:52 pm / quote |
gabrielr
: This is retarded. Musicians have been learning and using eachothers riffs, styles and techniques for thousands of years. For some reason, only in the last 10 years has it become something to sue over.
Then again, I guess if you can sue Macdonalds for hot coffee, you can sue anyone for anything. I hope this Shapiro guy gets a good smack in the face, before its too late to save any sort of musical career he hopes to have. What a little bitch.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 02:54 pm / quote |
sadistic_monkey
: It being similar isn't enough. He's some small time LA singer songwriter, if he can't prove that they've heard the song he has no case.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 03:06 pm / quote |
whoismilan
: Even if Shapiro does not win the case, this desperate stunt has given him loads of free publicity.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 03:08 pm / quote |
Prince of Rinse
: Who are The Hives? Oh wait , yeah that really poor band. Oh well.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 03:54 pm / quote |
strat0blaster
: Shapiro shouldn't sue them - he should decapitate them for shaming his music with their suck. I don't like either of them, but I like the hives less - both the band AND the rash.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 04:05 pm / quote |
qotsa1998
: If you loved a band and felt bad about sueing em, then why do it in the first place, unless your a greedy idiot? And really, with music being like it is, some songs are gonna sound the same. And with all of the songs the Hives have done being credited to a "Randy Fitzsimmons," Mr. Shapiro is gonna have a hard time sueing and getting money from "Randy."POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 04:09 pm / quote |
dannystro527
: somewhat sounds alike. but the hives riff is a bit different, the verse riff in Tick Tick Boom only has 4 power chords, and Why You? has 6 chords. and the choruses are different. this guy is just pissed because he probably doesnt have any moneyPOSTED: 10/31/2008 - 04:33 pm / quote |
Fred1000000
: I actually like the hives, and I have no idea who Jason Shapiro is. So, naturally, I'm all for the Hives on this one.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 04:57 pm / quote |
Chrisiphone
: In terms of successfulness (to the haters)
The Hives > You
Stop saying "the hives suck", go back to your "music" and stop flaming others.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 04:57 pm / quote |
m
: Checked
POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 05:34 pm / quote |
Ducky-Kun
: Well I can see how the "Yeaaaaah" and the riff are really similar... But that's really about it... Who cares =_=POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 05:34 pm / quote |
Tallman1984
: Its funny how all these lawsuits always come from either artists who are relatively unknown to the general public, or once huge artists who are now past their prime. You don't see the former members of Nirvana getting legal with Fall Out Boy for putting out a single with a chorus containing a lyric they clearly ripped off of "Drain You". POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 06:12 pm / quote |
WALKE5
: The problem is, there is attually a limited amount of chord progressions, lead lines etc. on rock guitar that eventually you are gonna get some repeat. The simple fact is that each rock band has some form of riff off of some other rock band. Luckily each band has different lyrics and different styles of lead singers and amp setups that makes it so different that stops rock music becoming a repeatative mush.
The point im trying to make is artists really should realise this and stop trying to sue for plagamism and shit. Surely people realise that it is impossibile for someone to have heard everysong ever (therefore they know they are ripping off a riff) and that it is not an impossibility that someone thousand of miles away from someone else thought up the same riff as them. Guitar based artists should realise this and appreciate how different a song another artist has created with the same chord progession.
On the point of whos been ripped off the most in rock music, then Chuck Berry should be a ****ing million form plagasism claims. (to be honest, he prob a million anyway). POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 06:52 pm / quote |
ruker
: Wow, a "The" band that sounds like every other "The" band about to be sued for plagiarism??? Nooooo, who would've thunk that.... HAHA!POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 07:22 pm / quote |
estabon37
: While there's certainly a limit as far as chords and melodies go, there's a wide range of tones, effects, time signatures, picking styles, etc. You can reuse the same chords as another song as long as you use them in a different way.
Of course, some bands don't mind repeating themselves.
METALLICA: Unforgiven, Unforgiven II (III doesn't have the same chord progression)
OFFSPRING: Gotta Get Away, Have You Ever; Come Out And Play, Pretty Fly
R.E.M.: Driver 8, Imitation Of LifePOSTED: 10/31/2008 - 07:37 pm / quote |
Derrikb
: yes. definately very very similar. im gonna go with ripped off. but nothings gunna happen. the law is slow as ****.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 07:38 pm / quote |
Derrikb
: but a band who is way past their time and nowhere near famous would sue for plaigarism. just to get a headline or money. POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 07:41 pm / quote |
slashzsystem
: +1
Strato-Massacre wrote:
"I absolutely love The Hives and don't feel great about suing a band I love.
im calling bs on that one. | POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 08:10 pm / quote |
Birchall17
: How does this guy know that the hives are a fan of his music? For all he knows, they could have never herd of him or any of his music before now, I know I never have.
If he likes them then why sue them? Sounds like someone is trying to make themselves out as less of a dick.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 08:23 pm / quote |
Laces Out Danny
: I would say it's just a coincidence.
How the **** would it even get called "unique?!" it's just a few chords as I see it in that riff in question.POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 08:33 pm / quote |
allfooie
: | Every single metal riff is stolen from Sabbath, yet you don't see Iommi sueing." |
the new definition of hyperbole!!POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 08:37 pm / quote |
lutfish
: It's the same ****ing song, just with different lyrics, lol.
Shame on you, Hives... Shame on you!POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 08:39 pm / quote |
Ironpriest
: | Every single metal riff is stolen from Sabbath, yet you don't see Iommi sueing." |
yup. i actually read somewhere that the guitarist from judas priest dosn't care if people use their similar ideas, he admires that people like their tunes.
about the hives, i love em and im seeing them at the end of the yearPOSTED: 10/31/2008 - 10:35 pm / quote |
TK1
: even if they "stole" a riff, its called inspiration.
and what about techno artists???
WHAT ABOUT KANYE WEST STEALING HARDER BETTER FASTER STRONGER?!?!POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 10:43 pm / quote |
von tratt
: Not a minute too soon for the hives to get sued. I only read the title, but thats the only thing I need to know to say whatI think anywayPOSTED: 10/31/2008 - 11:04 pm / quote |
Soul-Monger
: TK1 wrote:
even if they "stole" a riff, its called inspiration.
and what about techno artists???
WHAT ABOUT KANYE WEST STEALING HARDER BETTER FASTER STRONGER?!?! |
Sadly, that was actually a collab between the two artists... and Kanye West.
Zing?POSTED: 10/31/2008 - 11:56 pm / quote |
AXmichigan
: oh whatever man
just enjoy music
its all love anywayPOSTED: 11/01/2008 - 12:02 am / quote |
41plus182
: gabrielr wrote:
This is retarded. Musicians have been learning and using eachothers riffs, styles and techniques for thousands of years. For some reason, only in the last 10 years has it become something to sue over.
Then again, I guess if you can sue Macdonalds for hot coffee, you can sue anyone for anything. I hope this Shapiro guy gets a good smack in the face, before its too late to save any sort of musical career he hopes to have. What a little bitch. |
Filip413 wrote:
money *****, i wrote the riff, worship me and tell me how great i am, wow look out somebody sounds similar and they're cashing in on it, better take them to court.
Fuck off man this is stupidity, i laugh at him |
I laugh at you. Who wouldn't take the opportunity to get some cash?POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 01:14 am / quote |
Seidenschnur
: Free headlines for anyone willing to sue!POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 01:15 am / quote |
brentondig
: I'm quite surprised no suing ensued between any of The Strokes, the Killers, or Franz Ferdinand. They all sound just about the same to me when I listen to them...POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 01:33 am / quote |
BassFishin
: wow, what a tool. get over it! its not about credit and money and all that.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 01:34 am / quote |
BassFishin
: AXmichigan wrote:
ps - wtf is a musicologist? |
oh, about 250 pounds. lives with his mom in a basement apartment. 40 years old. spend all day trying to decipher what nirvana's lyrics 'mean' and so far has come up with nothing. oh, and don't forget all of the mini pizzas he LOVES to eat for every meal of the day!POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 01:35 am / quote |
Tw8xy
: wow, zep and black sabbath would be ****ing trillionaires by now.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 01:44 am / quote |
syngates07
: I'm pretty sure all that the hives did to write that song involved them being drunk and deciding to spell out B-E-D in power chords.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 01:51 am / quote |
pantericadeth
: lol id like it if a band i loved stole my music. just means you are good haha. i would sue if it was metallica tho. they have 4895 trillion dollars so. they could give me a lil creditPOSTED: 11/01/2008 - 02:30 am / quote |
DrShreddington
: You know, as much as I am a finn, and as much as I hate swedes due to that, I still think this is a rather mega blow it out your ass idiotic thing to sue someone about.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 03:04 am / quote |
Gmurcielago14
: ChucklesMginty wrote:
I'm so sick of musical legal battles. |
I think everyone is.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 03:06 am / quote |
Gmurcielago14
: BassFishin wrote:
AXmichigan wrote:
ps - wtf is a musicologist?
oh, about 250 pounds. lives with his mom in a basement apartment. 40 years old. spend all day trying to decipher what nirvana's lyrics 'mean' and so far has come up with nothing. oh, and don't forget all of the mini pizzas he LOVES to eat for every meal of the day! |
I loled.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 03:07 am / quote |
Cutlass_253
: I don't know...actually yes I do. This is the first time I'd ever heard either of those songs, or either of those bands.
My verdict is...if I heard either one of those songs in the car I wouldn't be able to tell which is which. I'd say based on that he has a case.
Obviously they're not the exact same, but it seems pretty damn similar to me.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 03:25 am / quote |
Bananapatata
: Strato-Massacre wrote:
"I absolutely love The Hives and don't feel great about suing a band I love.
im calling bs on that one. |
yes. hahaPOSTED: 11/01/2008 - 04:05 am / quote |
Bartlett
: ilike the song but after a few times its bloody annoying thank god it aint on the radio anymorePOSTED: 11/01/2008 - 04:40 am / quote |
bigal224
: In the words of Igor Stravinsky: "A good composer does not imitate; he steals".POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 04:51 am / quote |
bozomatt
: Soroki wrote:
This shit happens all the time...I myself was writing a song, but the main riff sounded like the main riff to Buckethead's Soothsayer in many ways, but I didn't know that until I heard the song weeks later... |
yeah same, I was trying to write something, and then I realised I had completely made the intro to do it for the kids like exactly! I guess great minds think alike jokePOSTED: 11/01/2008 - 06:02 am / quote |
Geormajesty
: They do sound alike, but in the style of music they play most songs do. I've never heard of The Roofies or Three Way, and I doubt the Hives have either, especially seeing as they're from a small town in Sweden, so I think it's just an unlucky coincidence. All this guy wants is a little money and publicity now he's washed up.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 07:35 am / quote |
Plarx
: Music is made up of notes....certain notes are in certain scales. pick a scale and you're limited to the notes you can use kind of.. i havnt heard the song but it's probably a common musical progression and they decided to pick this one and say.."sue!!"
Its the same as skating. you might think you invented a trick until you see someone else do it... i dunno...im tired...skating all day...i came 3rd in a comp today btw....sigh
Bad musicians make bad music. Lazy and bad musicians steal other bad musician's music. lul
im highPOSTED: 11/01/2008 - 07:38 am / quote |
MadGoat
: Jesus christ, who cares.
No musician, that's right NO MUSICIAN, can be 100% original all the time. You can pick ANY song, and compare it with the millions of songs that have been written in human history, and you WILL find similarities. So does that mean that it's plagiarism? Of course not! Hell, The Hives have probably never heard of Shapisso guy, so I doubt the bands members sat down around a table discussing which part of the song they should steal.
Screw people who whine about plagiarism. People who sue only do it for the money, and people who complain about plagiarism completely miss the point.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 08:10 am / quote |
Axl_Explosion
: whoismilan wrote:
Even if Shapiro does not win the case, this desperate stunt has given him loads of free publicity. |
THAT is all he is doing this for. The guy is some small-time bar rat most likely and happened to hear a song from a relatively mainstream band like The Hives, noticed it had some similarities to something he'd written, and saw an opportunity for a payday. The songs both suck, but The Hives can get away with a bad song or two, this guy can't afford to, so instead of trying to make a good song, he's gonna go for the easy payoff. I hope he loses, too. Idiot.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 08:26 am / quote |
turksegitarist
: Coldplay's Viva la Vida has a very very very 'similar' part with Satch's If I Could Fly!!
Check it here:
POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 10:29 am / quote |
turksegitarist
: Coldplay's Viva la Vida has a very very very 'similar' part with Satch's If I Could Fly!!
Check it on youtube
POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 10:44 am / quote |
DimebagRob
: turksegitarist wrote:
Coldplay's Viva la Vida has a very very very 'similar' part with Satch's If I Could Fly!!
Check it on youtube |
Yeah I watched that.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 11:09 am / quote |
Powerchild
: I'm calling it- this isn't going to hold up in court for a variety of reasons- the most important being, that if in fact it is just the "Main Riff," you are LEGALLY allowed to use 8 bars from someone else's song. Furthermore, after that, he does have to prove that They have heard that song, which is really ****ed up. How in this world can you expect every musician to listen to every song ever written so he won't be able to copy it? bullshit I say.
And since The Hives are from Europe, and if I was from any part of Europe, I wouldn't be listening to some small LA- based indie songwriter. That is impossible for him to expect that they have heard his song and want to rip him off.
Furthermore, if Lenny Kravitz can get away with constantly ripping off Jimi Hendrix, then anyone can get away with anything. POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 01:12 pm / quote |
ratmblink123
: Wow.
This is so dumb, I just listened to the songs, and the similarity isn't that close. The Hives rock, and this guy is just jealous because he was in a 90's band that never took off.
Lame.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 01:24 pm / quote |
PumpkinPieces
: Whoever came up with the twelve bar blues riff is missing out on some serious cash.....POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 01:31 pm / quote |
thereverendsoup
: Man, if someone got sued every time a song used a riff or chord progression another song used, the courts would be overloaded with that shit.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 02:50 pm / quote |
dst127
: Powerchild wrote:
Furthermore, if Lenny Kravitz can get away with constantly ripping off Jimi Hendrix, then anyone can get away with anything. |
AGREEDPOSTED: 11/01/2008 - 03:02 pm / quote |
Exxol
: Chrisiphone wrote:
Booooo!
The Hives rock.
Whats wrong with a quick word over coffee? |
whats wrong with asking an artist/writer to use their material?POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 04:26 pm / quote |
TWISTEDFender
: when you make music as simple and stupid as the Hives do, you're bound to do something that sounds exactly like something else.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 04:47 pm / quote |
JackA$$daba$$
: he can sue if he wants but he aint gonna win coz you can't copyright riffs, there are loads of songs out there that sound similar and no-ones ever sued because its not worth it the guy is a dumbass.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 05:02 pm / quote |
trendkill-
: Blackflame47 wrote:
Every single metal riff is stolen from Sabbath, yet you don't see Iommi sueing. |
oh ur sooo right
XDPOSTED: 11/01/2008 - 05:03 pm / quote |
roythereaper
: First of all, who the hells is Jason Shapiro? I agree that these legal battles are becoming tiring.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 06:12 pm / quote |
facethewaste
: Blackflame47 wrote:
Every single metal riff is stolen from Sabbath, yet you don't see Iommi sueing. | not even closePOSTED: 11/01/2008 - 06:14 pm / quote |
Tabassco
: Damn the guy. I constantly "invent" something, only to hear from one of my friends that I stole it from somethihng I don't even know. Sueing people for plagiarism in the music industry is BSPOSTED: 11/01/2008 - 07:32 pm / quote |
zapatista89
: estabon37 wrote:
While there's certainly a limit as far as chords and melodies go, there's a wide range of tones, effects, time signatures, picking styles, etc. You can reuse the same chords as another song as long as you use them in a different way.
Of course, some bands don't mind repeating themselves.
METALLICA: Unforgiven, Unforgiven II (III doesn't have the same chord progression)
OFFSPRING: Gotta Get Away, Have You Ever; Come Out And Play, Pretty Fly
R.E.M.: Driver 8, Imitation Of Life |
i think metallica have an excuse in the sense that its a sequel, that still doesnt sound exactly the same and is half a step lower
POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 07:38 pm / quote |
emich
: lol **** those songs are almost exactly the same. the hives deserved to be sued herePOSTED: 11/01/2008 - 07:48 pm / quote |
BurningTheLives
: Tyler Durden wrote:
every riff these days are recycled and borrowed |
I honestly don't agree with him suing them. There are so many bands, and so many guitar riffs created that it most likely you are going to copy someone without knowing it. There's only so many guitar tunings before you break your strings, or before you become a death metal band, which plagiarize each day.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 08:20 pm / quote |
x_thurston_x
: I don't think anyone should have "ownership" over something so abstract as sound or music. And I mean that in a sense that there are so many limitless possibilities and combinations that owning any part of it is just absurd.
I mean granted there are circumstances where one artist completely rips off another artist. But if it's not the same song, then get over it. Music is art.
What's next? One painter will sue another for using the same colors he did in one of his lame unsuccessful works. POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 08:48 pm / quote |
Highwaytohell
: Noob
there are so many riffs that are re-used and recycled and put over and over again by so many different bands. Its to common to have a simaliar riff, I think that this guy is being a tool for suing someone for this. If it were the lyrics i could understand, but the riff? comon. I guess the inventor of the 2-5-1 and 1-5-4 progressions should sue everyone.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 08:49 pm / quote |
DrShreddington
: huh what do you know I changed my mind? I still think suing for music similarity is rather dumb but you guys should actually take the time to go listen to these two songs, as they sound so similar, I couldn't tell one from the other. Its the exact same notes on the guitar with the exact same vocal tone. Yes, riffs get recycled all the time, but I doubt such an astonishingly obvious similarity in the songs wasnt intentionalPOSTED: 11/01/2008 - 08:55 pm / quote |
jay2029
: NOBODY BETTER USE THE B-G-A CHORD PROGRESSION ON I'LL SUE!!!!
ACTUALLY DON'T EVEN USE THOSE CHORDS AT ALL OR I SUE!!!
lamePOSTED: 11/01/2008 - 09:25 pm / quote |
TimmaPSI
: PIMO wrote:
wait he said it was similar that doesnt mean it was the same exact riff seriously thats pretty dumb :S it could be a coincidence now. by chance the hives may have put it in there not knowing that it was from those songs i mean seriously this is just bound to happen cmon think about it some band right now could be making a song thats already been made and playing it the same exact way and call it their own without knowing it :S just what i think is all :P | POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 11:44 pm / quote |
Jondy
: bloody hell i want to be a musicologist. that sounds so cool. then people would come to me for musical consultations, hell yeah, that's the job for me.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 11:45 pm / quote |
TimmaPSI
: i thought up a riff about three years ago that sounded exactly like no one knows by Queens of the Stone Age. The twist is that i didnt hear the song until year later on a Burger King commercial. that stuff does happen.POSTED: 11/01/2008 - 11:46 pm / quote |
motorbreath_445
: strat0blaster :
Shapiro shouldn't sue them - he should decapitate them for shaming his music with their suck. |
lol, that was funnyPOSTED: 11/01/2008 - 11:59 pm / quote |
Scott_Zeppelin
: Blackflame47 wrote:
Every single metal riff is stolen from Sabbath, yet you don't see Iommi sueing. |
Iommi pwns. I think he would only feel blessed that people want to continue and use what he created, this guy should feel the same. I guess the only difference is that Iommi is a legend, this guy plain sucks.POSTED: 11/02/2008 - 01:18 am / quote |
ifeastonbums
: They really do sound damned near the same. I'm not saying that they stole it for sure, but I can see why this guy feels like he has a case.
People saying that suing for plagiarism is bs, isn't well thought out. Although it is true that coincidences do happen, some times people out right steal things. A lot of people have said that stealing is just a part of music. I don't think that is true. You can definatly be inspised by something, and follow on a similar path, but outright stealing is different.
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think11270
: First of all, these songs are extremely similar and
Id be different if it was just the guitar, but since the vocals also have a similar pattern it shows me that it can't be a coincidence.
It could just be subconscious though, I sometimes write something but then realize I subconsciously borrowed it.
I'd like to hear the end result of this case, I can understand where the guy is coming from, I'd be a bit irritated if some bigger band "stole" a song (riff and vocal melody) from me and used it as "their" single.
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TheStruction
: rush4life wrote:
Too bad he'll have to sue the imaginary Randy Fitzsimmons... |
Hehe, true!POSTED: 11/02/2008 - 06:04 am / quote |
ghost12332
: Lets face it, a guitar only has so many notes. Eventually when using power chords, riffs will be copied whether you realize it or not.
However the vocals.... Well who knows really, maybe he just heard it somewhere the day before he composed it and never really thought about it? Its a pretty hard thing to win a court case over.POSTED: 11/02/2008 - 09:18 am / quote |
Chromex
: The riffs aren't very similair, and I've heard the same vocal melody in lots of songs.POSTED: 11/02/2008 - 09:51 am / quote |
Xomezu
: Dark Side of the Moon album syncs up with Wizard of Oz. TIEM 2 SUE!!!11111 POSTED: 11/02/2008 - 09:51 am / quote |
I-Watch-Anime
: estabon37 wrote:
Of course, some bands don't mind repeating themselves.
METALLICA: Unforgiven, Unforgiven II (III doesn't have the same chord progression)
OFFSPRING: Gotta Get Away, Have You Ever; Come Out And Play, Pretty Fly
R.E.M.: Driver 8, Imitation Of Life |
You forgot AC/DC: Every song they've ever written. POSTED: 11/02/2008 - 10:14 am / quote |
liam1107
: its obvious that over the course of time riffs and melodies and whatever else are obviously going to have to sound very similar. we cant keep coming up with new riffs etc when we keep using the same musical system
the music indiustry is all to hell nowadays, its all about money, doesnt matter about the music
sad days POSTED: 11/02/2008 - 10:28 am / quote |
Wigert
: Damned Americans and suing everyone for everything.POSTED: 11/02/2008 - 11:15 am / quote |
BszyjkaA4
: If you guys havent heard, Chad Kroeger is attempting to sue himself for stealing his own riffs and recycling them. He'll probably win.POSTED: 11/02/2008 - 01:05 pm / quote |
lopezmetalmunky
: Jesus, guys. Seriously, everything in music is a copy of a copy of a copy. Somewhere, someone along the line has played your awesome riff just like you did, 'cept you got famous. Does that mean that Joe Nobody will sue Kirk Hammet for using his riff?
YOUR ANSWER: HELL NO.
POSTED: 11/02/2008 - 01:28 pm / quote |
LazySandman
: I-Watch-Anime wrote:
estabon37 wrote:
Of course, some bands don't mind repeating themselves.
METALLICA: Unforgiven, Unforgiven II (III doesn't have the same chord progression)
OFFSPRING: Gotta Get Away, Have You Ever; Come Out And Play, Pretty Fly
R.E.M.: Driver 8, Imitation Of Life
You forgot AC/DC: Every song they've ever written. |
I'd still buy it... POSTED: 11/02/2008 - 02:02 pm / quote |
m
: checkles. POSTED: 11/02/2008 - 04:00 pm / quote |
LegsOnEarth
: ChucklesMginty wrote:
I'm so sick of musical legal battles. |
me threePOSTED: 11/02/2008 - 04:07 pm / quote |
skux
: ReeseKillsHIV wrote:
Tw8xy wrote:
wow, zep and black sabbath would be ****ing trillionaires by now.
Actually, Zeppelin stole more music than they wrote. Lawl. |
actually zep credited the songs they 'stole' so technically they didnt steal it. And technically your an idiot POSTED: 11/02/2008 - 04:08 pm / quote |
adslam3
: beware of blatant sarcasm: uh oh...the hives being sued by the "famous" jason shapiro who put out such great hits as...um...who is this guy?! i'm sure the hives are asking the same question (even though jason shapiro and roofies and three way are in everyone's cd players and the tops of the charts for years present, past and future...even more famous than green day's "dookie")POSTED: 11/02/2008 - 04:39 pm / quote |
A-440
: skux wrote:
ReeseKillsHIV wrote:
Tw8xy wrote:
wow, zep and black sabbath would be ****ing trillionaires by now.
Actually, Zeppelin stole more music than they wrote. Lawl.
actually zep credited the songs they 'stole' so technically they didnt steal it. And technically your an idiot |
actually, not until those songs were re-released.
also, i don't think anyone's to blame here. you can't write a song with 3 chords and expect no other song to sound exactly like it.POSTED: 11/02/2008 - 07:05 pm / quote |
Lithium717
: | "I absolutely love The Hives and don't feel great about suing a band I love." |
If you loved them, you wouldn't sue them.
Lying faggot.POSTED: 11/02/2008 - 07:52 pm / quote |
Gibjian
: Tyler Durden wrote:
every riff these days are recycled and borrowed |
bull shit
and lithium your retartedPOSTED: 11/02/2008 - 08:14 pm / quote |
BreakingTheGirl
: the jason shapiro's song songs like a shitty 80s song that everyone like for all of 2 weeks and then hated.
the hives are great but tick tick boom sucks too/
makes sense.POSTED: 11/02/2008 - 11:22 pm / quote |
DANZIG767
: Blackflame47 wrote:
Every single metal riff is stolen from Sabbath, yet you don't see Iommi sueing. |
/\ thats the dumbest thing anyone has said on one of these forumsPOSTED: 11/03/2008 - 12:35 am / quote |
grantjames
: Hehe, someone obviously needs some money.POSTED: 11/03/2008 - 04:41 am / quote |
wicked_hobbit
: Shapiro added: "I absolutely love The Hives and don't feel great about suing a band I love. But I also feel credit is due where it is due if you borrow a riff."
Bollocks. We all know you mean "i heard a familiar melody and i thought this is a good way to get money and recognition"POSTED: 11/03/2008 - 09:41 am / quote |
wicked_hobbit
: PumpkinPieces wrote:
Whoever came up with the twelve bar blues riff is missing out on some serious cash..... |
Golden.POSTED: 11/03/2008 - 09:50 am / quote |
connorlawhorne
: Has it occurred to anyone that only a legally retarded person would blatantly steal a guitar riff and think they could get away with it? Apparently this song was in some itunes commercial or something, so I'm pretty sure before someone ripped it off, they would think, "oh some people might recognize this since it's been on this here television set." No one as famous as the Hives would knowingly risk their careers in that way.POSTED: 11/03/2008 - 11:25 am / quote |
deadlyMETAL
: DANZIG767 wrote:
Blackflame47 wrote:
Every single metal riff is stolen from Sabbath, yet you don't see Iommi sueing.
/\ thats the dumbest thing anyone has said on one of these forums |
/\ That's about the funniest thing I've seen on UG in a month or two, considering this is an article's comment rather than a forum.
Aside, I'm glad Page never sued when people used his pentatonic licks in their songs. I mean, look at Slash, he'd be sued through the nose if Page were as childish as these Shapiro!POSTED: 11/03/2008 - 05:25 pm / quote |
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