95% Of Teenagers Illegally Copy Music

Ex-Undertones singer Feargal Sharkey, now British Music Rights chief, is worried for the musical life of the next generation of 'sexually frustrated 17-year-olds'.

More than half of young people copy the songs on their hard drives to friends and even more swap CD copies, according to research that reveals the huge challenge home copying poses to a music industry already battling internet file-sharing.

Three decades after cassette decks first allowed people to make free music tapes for friends, a study by the industry group British Music Rights suggests home copying remains just as ingrained in UK culture.

BMR's chief executive, the singer Feargal Sharkey, said the research underlines the urgent need to adapt to consumers' attitudes or face serious repercussions for the next generation of musicians.

The industry's anti-piracy efforts have largely focused on illegal online music swapping - with estimates suggesting only one in 20 digital downloads is paid for. But the online problem is potentially dwarfed by "offline copying", argues BMR. Its research, carried out by the University of Hertfordshire, suggests that, for 18-24-year-olds, home copying remains more popular than file sharing. Two-thirds of people it surveyed copy five CDs a month from friends.

Overall, 95% of the 1,158 people surveyed had engaged in some form of copying, including taking the music contents of a friend's hard drive - 58% - and the more old-fashioned method of recording from the radio.

Read more at Guardian.co.uk.

Comments

[EC_AL_JH_GH]

And so I guess I'm the five precents who don't download music from the internet?

[IDon'tLoveYou]

I'm probably part of the most of group that borrow CD's from mates, then rip them to my computer, but I also have an extensive CD collection, so I guess I'm a bit of both to be honest.

[Comeback Kiddd]

i do all kinds of things including everything listed

[atc228]

And about 80% also go out and buy a good cd when they want it.
Sure "95%" copy/download but the majority of those people ALSO go out and buy cd's too when they are worth it. People always overlook that fact. Granted, more songs and albums are downloaded as opossed to purchased but that is because:

a. the cd's can be too expensive. (10-15 bucks is fine with me but when they are more than that...)

b. 95% of the music out there isn't good enough to merit buying the album and supporting the band.

So maybe if albums were cheaper and, overall, BETTER, i think the music industry would be fine dealing with the internet downloads and non internet sharing. Granted, copying will never go away, but they would do fine monetarily if they just made the product better.

but that is just my opinion and rant...

[ianl]

^i agree completely with atc228

[wemonir]

my sexual frustration controls every aspect of my life, especially my downloading habits

[duncang]

That's a surprising figure, I didn't know that many people made copies of CDs, I would have that a figure as high as 95% would be more accurate for internet downloading.

[jamie_hough]

i agree completely with atc228... there simply isnt enough music out there thats worth buying... having said that I ripped a friends poison the well album a few months ago, I enjoyed it so much I bought all the other albums and saw them live - without 'illegally' ripping it I wouldnt have bought all the other stuff. file sharing is sometimes a good way of promoting....

[richard664]

theres a whole load of bands that i've got into from borrowing cd's (and yes then ripping to my hard drive) if i like the band i buy the cd, if not i delete it. the music industry would suffer much more if nobody shared their music at all

[the_extremist00]

sexually frustrated ?
i should sue him! roflmao, i woudnt know 95% of the bands i like if it wasnt for filesharing

[duncang]

Plus, this 'most music isn't good enough to pay for!' idea is bullshit. If it's not good enough to buy, download it, sure, but DON'T keep it, delete it within 24 hours as is legal. If it's not good enough to buy then it shouldn't be a problem, but that is indeed where the problem lies.

[raasbo]

I think that the copying of music is inevitable. In my opinion, I think that it is a bad thing, if you don't go out and buy a cd that you really like. Personally, I have bought 85% of my cds, and I have around 140. The rest are lots of anime soundtrack and several cds from friends.

[craggis19]

atc228 wrote:

And about 80% also go out and buy a good cd when they want it.
Sure "95%" copy/download but the majority of those people ALSO go out and buy cd's too when they are worth it. People always overlook that fact. Granted, more songs and albums are downloaded as opossed to purchased but that is because:

a. the cd's can be too expensive. (10-15 bucks is fine with me but when they are more than that...)

b. 95% of the music out there isn't good enough to merit buying the album and supporting the band.

So maybe if albums were cheaper and, overall, BETTER, i think the music industry would be fine dealing with the internet downloads and non internet sharing. Granted, copying will never go away, but they would do fine monetarily if they just made the product better.

but that is just my opinion and rant...

My opinion, summed up. I'll buy an album if I think the band are worth following.

[DiveRightIn63]

this is so misinterpreted...

[Regression]

I buy albums if they are good and I have the money. Most people I know never buy albums though. I recon if they made them cheaper, and made all the songs worthy of listening to, then they would sell alot more. Still alot of people will download no matter what. Before then people recorded stuff of the radio with tape decks. I don't think people were any more likely to buy music back then than they are now.

[metal@hart11]

haha sexually frustrated ... there had to be some reason for all this downloading!

[Regression]

Regression wrote:

I buy albums if they are good and I have the money. Most people I know never buy albums though. I recon if they made them cheaper, and made all the songs worthy of listening to, then they would sell alot more. Still alot of people will download no matter what. Before then people recorded stuff of the radio with tape decks. I don't think people were any more likely to buy music back then than they are now.

Ahh didn't read the article.

Yeah my friends have copied songs from my harddrive. I don't care, the ones who do also buy music when they can afford it.

I won't miss out on music because I can't afford it, if an artist doesn't make something that appeals to me enough to spend $20-$30 NZD on it, then to bad.

Drop the prices to $10-$15 NZD and I will probably buy it.

[simking]

i never downlaod, i like haveing the cd.
so i can build a cool collection of music.
im very sad and like to look at all my music

[papersun87]

I love making compilations for all my friends. I guess I'm a statistic.

[C1osur3]

atc228 :
And about 80% also go out and buy a good cd when they want it.
Sure "95%" copy/download but the majority of those people ALSO go out and buy cd's too when they are worth it. People always overlook that fact. Granted, more songs and albums are downloaded as opossed to purchased but that is because:

a. the cd's can be too expensive. (10-15 bucks is fine with me but when they are more than that...)

b. 95% of the music out there isn't good enough to merit buying the album and supporting the band.

So maybe if albums were cheaper and, overall, BETTER, i think the music industry would be fine dealing with the internet downloads and non internet sharing. Granted, copying will never go away, but they would do fine monetarily if they just made the product better.

but that is just my opinion and rant...

Rant? No. More like a point well made. I completely agree with you. I'm a part of that 80% that actually seek out the albums worth it...in fact, I've been working on purchasing all the albums I once downloaded that I thought were actually worth keeping. Anything else I'll just end up deleting and the albums with only one good song I'll buy through iTunes.

P.S. This is also the exact reason I look for bands that put quality into their work.

[MCRkid22]

There's a lot of times where I've "illegally" downloaded just to get a preview, but then if I like the CD, I buy the actual physical copy of it, and if I don't like it, I delete the files, and that's the end.

But I never legally download music. I say **** digital music.

[sutton24]

if you download then you obviously dont value the product enough to pay for it. i buy albums that i already have downloaded because i like them a lot. or if there is an album from a band i love i will buy it. If its an album i never would buy in the first place then i would download it. so the amount of money being 'lost' is greatly exagerated. just because someone owns an illegal copy, dosent mean the music industry 'missed out' on this money.but yeah, i guess its different for others though. eh

[godberry]

i guess i'm old school. i still buy albums. to me, downloading one or two tracks is like getting the best chapters out of a book.

anyways, i don't agree with illegally downloading music, but i admit that we've all done it at some point. record companies need to get smart and use this to their advantage (such as album promotion).

[Comeback Kiddd]

Viva la revolution

[tands]

maybe if todays bands gave us a reason to go out and buy a solid album that isnt 1 good song followed by 8 tracks each one getting worse then the last, and then when you find a good cd its $25,

the music industry can blame all their problems on the sharing of music but the truth is its created a larger market for them. People who wouldnt normally buy a cd are more inclined to do so now since there phone can play music, there ipods and that they were able to find some bands they do like

[rocknrollstar]

Pfft, "sexually frustrated 17 year old". Coming from the guy who sang Teenage Kicks. Coming from the guy who lets face it, had one hit.


People download because:
Cds are too expensive ( i have 40 cds, but i download aswell)


What they dont realise is, alot of bands get exposure online, bands make money out of tours, think about it.


Boy hears band>boy downloads album>boy spreads the word about band and takes 4 friends to show>£40 x 4 =£160 for the band.


Look at the Arctic Monkeys, they cant complain theyve outsold the beatles on fastest debut album. All because they gave out their demos for free and spread the word over the internet.


I still prefer cds, but the world is changing and these suits need to get on board with it.

[cody733]

No way, this happens?!
Really? Seriously?
How much did they spend on a survey to figure this out?

For the record, I pay for a large portion of my music.

[slippers man]

Guilty.

[jonnyharris1]

For gods sake, people have been trading music since vinyl, why are they making a fuss about it now. I am extremely against illegal music downloading , but think this just taking it to far

[uberphreak]

I get CDs from my friends all the time. So at least one of me and my friends owns everything on any one of our computers. I also buy CDs myself, and have no problem copying files that are from an album that I bought on vinyl, since I have no way of getting that to my computer.

If I give a band a listen and they're good, I'll go buy the CD even though my friend has it. If it's pretty good but not worth the 15-20 dollars that CDs can run nowadays (I've seen CDs up to $25 in some places) then I'll keep it but not buy it. *shrug* works for me, and I think it's morally acceptable.

[Tallman1984]

What's the point of mentioning 'sexually frustrated 17-year-olds'? Are teens out there going, "Damn, I'm so horny I gotta download this My Morning Jacket album!"? If a 10 to12-song album can continue to be sold for $15-16, I think a more accurate description would be 'financially frustrated 17 year olds'. They most likely don't have the jobs to get the green to pay for albums, being in high school and all.

[thereverendsoup]

Easy solution: quit distributing digital audio. Go back to vinyl. It sounds better, looks better, lasts better, and it's DRM-free!

Of course, that is incredibly impractical for right now (although as long as there is vinyl, there will be people willing to pay for it), but I do think it's about time to just face the fact that the old record industry has nothing to do with the needs of our generation's musicians. You're not going to make a lot of money on digital music sales. Might as well just give 'em away free and see if you can't attract people to your shows with 'em. It works for Defiance, Ohio (who have had their entire discography on their website for years) just as well as it worked for Radiohead. I mean, I could see being on a label being a good thing if you want to distribute analog copies of your music, but at this point, it just seems like anything a label does, a band could do better and with less waste and middlemen to pay by themselves.

[mylamentdreams]

There was an article on UG a little while back that was about file sharing, and in it there was a qoute from a member of the band Atreyu that said they would prefer the file sharing if it meant their music was being heard. So even the artists now advocate file sharing.

[False_God]

sexually frustrated 17-year-olds

Wow, how totally relevant to the tops. twat.

These people are trying to stop the technological advancement of music imo. They think its in trouble but in reality its just changing into something better if they work with it.

[psychokiller99]

glad to see i wasn't the only one that thought that "sexually frustrated" was really fukkin random haha.

anyways, hey i've got an idea!! how about people just make better music so we feel the motivation to even go buy the artists albums? idk, maybe that'll have some sort of positive effect.

[bloke]

its only the same as cassete sharing and trading that has always happened, without it, the underground music scene would be dead, we would never have had the likes of metallica, and most bands that haven't come from the pop world manufactured by the industry.. most of my influence has come from bands a friend has shown me or lent me a cd of.. and the same goes for everybody i know, now i'll probably never make it as an artist, but if i was, it'd be down to the stuff people have lent me and shown me, and i would bet the same goes for most musicians if you think about it..

[sambargun]

Why dont they admit the other truth? 99% of the money we pay for the cds are not going to the artists but to their corporate record companies.....
Also cds cost less than a pound to make. Where does all the extra money go for? The packaging? The paint?
This is a bit like the industrial giants trying to assure the general populace that global warming is a myth!!!!

[evitageN]

So yeah I rip CDs on my computer that my dad and brother might own because well I have access to them why the hell would I go out and buy CDs they already own, oh and any album i feel that i should own I will go out regardless of whether or not it's on my computer. But they definitely need to lower the price of music and i'm not buying digital mp3's or whatever because i want the CD and the booklet and all that jazz...

Those guys are never gonna win

[Anavrin224]

I go to enough concerts and have enough CD's and LP's so if they wanna get all huffy that I've downloaded a few songs then they can go suck a cock.

[Nick-182]

'sexually frustrated 17-year-olds' lol wtf.

and also that survey is complete toss. ****ing idiots

[snapped]

Let's say you own a cd but it breaks for whatever reason. Is it illegal to download it for free if you own the album in the first place?

[thereverendsoup]

evitageN wrote:
Those guys are never gonna win

You'd be surprised what kinds of things can get done when you throw enough expensive lawyers at your problems.

[officially dead]

if a band cares more about getting paid than people hearing their music, then i don't want to listen to them anyway. high 5 on that!

[LegsOnEarth]

i buy CDs/LPs but sometimes, maybe twice a month, i download an album.

OR download some of an album to sample it

[Guitar_Jester]

Well, I'm one of the 5% that buys it. BUT here in Holland CD's and stuff are expensive compared with the USA. For a new album we pay around $30.- or $35.-

So you people in the US are lucky :P

[Gh.]

Yes I do download some music from the internet but the albmus I really like are bought after some time of listening. I assume that most of 'secually frustrated 17-year-olds' do the same. In conclusion I would like to advise to that one-hit-fellow: Make good music and then you won't have to be worried about your money from records. Btw. What an irony, and who is really frustated...

[GuitarJunkie]

bruning a cd and giving it to a friend is not illegal.

[thereverendsoup]

GuitarJunkie wrote:

bruning a cd and giving it to a friend is not illegal.

Actually, it is.

[666_Pounder]

I buy and download.

[kalamari]

I don't even see the point of the music industry trying to stop this from happening. Technology only ever advances (Vista aside :P) and so file sharing will become infinitely easier as we get more storage, faster transfer etc. One of the problems is that, instead of leading the way, a lot of the music industry just seems to be begrudgingly keeping up with the times whilst stamping out what they can. They have to find better, more inventive ways of making money from their products. The bands are catching up (no clichéd recent examples mentioned) and so the record companies are gradually losing their control... sweet.

[DeadString666]

If u only want to listen a song u download it, always albums sucks, 3 or 4 songs are the soul of the album, i download that 3 or 4 songs. if the cd is good i buy it

[CaTeArS]

we're all poor! the economy is down, and I know a ton of people who either get paid shit or don't have a job. WE'RE POOR!

[Do Re Mi]

godberry wrote:

i guess i'm old school. i still buy albums. to me, downloading one or two tracks is like getting the best chapters out of a book.

That's why you download whole albums and whole discographies.

[vo2oad]

So maybe if albums were cheaper and, overall, BETTER, i think the music industry would be fine dealing with the internet downloads and non internet sharing. Granted, copying will never go away, but they would do fine monetarily if they just made the product better.

It's hard for musicians to make better cd's when they can't make any money to help them produce their music. You can be the best talent ever but if the music company / you have no money because people don't buy cd's then how are they gonna be able to turn their cd into a "worthy" one? I doubt a fast food side job will get them very far into meeting your expectations of a good cd.

[Zapfire]

EC_AL_JH_GH wrote:

And so I guess I'm the five precents who don't download music from the internet?

As am I, I respect muscians too much to ever steal music.

[Gh.]

thereverendsoup :
GuitarJunkie wrote:

bruning a cd and giving it to a friend is not illegal.

Actually, it is.

Imo, it depends on the country.

This is a bit like the industrial giants trying to assure the general populace that global warming is a myth!!!!

But it is a myth!

:P

[Centurion]

I buy albums. My friends buy albums. We share them between us. If this has been happening for decades then surely the record industry can't be suffering too badly from it, right?

[RageAgnstUrJaw]

if its a band i haven't really listened to much before, i often download a few songs to get an idea of what they sound like. then if i like it, i'll go buy the cd to support the band, but if i think its garbage, i won't. i'm not paying $15-$20 for something i don't want thank you very much.

[thereverendsoup]

Gh. wrote:

Imo, it depends on the country.

It does. But I'm pretty sure most countries agree that you have the right to make backups, but not to distribute them. I could be wrong, but that's how it is here in the states.

[vo2oad]

I'm pretty much screwed if they start busting everyone that has downloaded music on their computer...

[thereverendsoup]

vo2oad wrote:

I'm pretty much screwed if they start busting everyone that has downloaded music on their computer...

Tell me about it. I uploaded so much crap on OiNK, back in the day.

[Walternativo]

95% download music. Other 5% only download porn.

[TheGreenAvenger]

i whole heartedly believe that if the music industry just stopped working it'd be a good thing. ok rock stars wouldn't get paid insane amounts of money but it's not as if music would just disappear. plus, there'd still be distribution opportunities because of free downloads, there'd also be gig possibilities its just we wouldn't have to pay for the priveledge.

[~Funky monk~]

if it wasn't for music online then i would never have started listening to music at all really... and would have never brought a CD... so in my case at least... because of music off the internet... the music industry has gained money

[evitageN]

Walternativo :
95% download music. Other 5% only download porn.

Hahaha,

What if you have random songs on your computer how can they prove you didn't buy them off of itunes or some shit?

[BaSSiSt_METAL]

i download lots of music
but i also buy lots of cds

[TJ1991]

So its all about sexual frustration? Who the hell does he think he is, Freud?!

I agree with what's already been said though, I for one download an album if I want it but can't afford at that time, then I go out and buy afterwards. I think that's fair to be honest, people who download without giving anything back are the ones this should concern. More to the point, a lot of albums are a complete RIPOFF!

[sebbowen]

whilst plenty of cds are downloaded through p2p & torrent, i am one of the many who will then go out and buy the cd if i think it warrents doing so. innovative minds like trent reznor can clearly see the benefits of file sharing; why cant others?

[ChucklesMginty]

Well I guess if you can have something for free, why would you pay? It's awful for musicians I hate illegal music.

[thedudemeister]

thats kinda a "no shit sherlock" statement. i download loads of songs illegally off the net. and chiefly because what the guy several posts before me said, cds are far too expensive and the cds u can get are crap. although i do buy cds, i bought R.E.M's previous album

[Raven_Flight]

I download the songs to see if the album is good.
If it is, I'll go and buy it.
I live in argentina you know, cds from bands like opeth, virgin black, children of bodom for example come imported from UK or united states and with the devaluation adn everything they cost me almost 50 pesos (argentina's money) and believe me, that's very much :S anyways, i buy them...
I can't afford to buy a cd and don't like it after listening to it :S

[ghostofhendrix]

3 words to solve this problem:



MAKE CD's CHEAPER!!!!!

[GeetarsAreRock]

I devote my money to concerts. Why pay $15 for an album when you can see them live for $15 more. Either that or I try to find a vinyl of the album (much, much better sound quality).

[y-e-a-r-z-e-r-o]

i just want to say that anti-piracy things really f-ing suck sometimes becasue i tried to but a 30 seconds to mars cd on my computer to put on my ipod BUT NO it had a blocker on it ... SO I DESTROYED IT IN FRUSTRATION... i pretty much only use my ipod... DICKS

[prplhazed]

Actually in the US im pretty sure its legal to share CD's with your friends and stuff. Copyright law says that its illegal to distribute copyrighted material to the public. Which seems to be understood as a larger number of people than just friend to friend.

personally, i think illegal downloading is wrong. Plus i like to have the physical cd.

[Misfit-FTB]

Jesus. Give it the **** up. No one is gonna stop it. Ever.

[UrMomsMom]

2 words....

No Sh*t !!!!

[recliner33]

Two-thirds of people it surveyed copy five CDs a month from friends.

Well I don't copy any cd's from friends because my friends listen to shitty music and they don't copy off me either. I do download music off the net alot though but I also buy cd's if I know it's going to be good. But CD stores need to do a better job at getting better cd's and more variety at their stores. I can almost never find what I'm looking for at cd stores, so I have to resort to buying cd's online and waiting 2 weeks for it to come in the mail.

[kuki_anarPINEL]

nothing can be done about it... they have to face it that the '60s and '70s are long gone now, and piracy cannot be stopped. i download music too because i really think 20 - 25 € is far too expensive for an album

[ChoPxSueY]

So is Feargal Sharkey saying that 95% of teenagers are sexually frustrated? Or that you copy music because you have nothing better to do like have sex?

Dumbass

[AngerIsAGift06]

yeah well change msn or sod off

[isabiggles]

this is ridiculous. yes people do copy music or borrow friends from CDs. i do that. i trade CDs with my friend for about a week and if they like it they go out and buy it and vice versa.

and to be honest what are they worrying about starvation?

[jimRH7]

I have a CD collection, There's something about owning the album, it sounds better blasting out of stereo speakers or proper headphones than out a PC or MP3 earphones.
But me and my brother kind of share, I don't know if that counts...

[Megallica666]

dang they surveyed 1158 people! thats almost 100 million!!!

[tlangdon]

i download music, but most of it is of bands that are already either dead or broken up. if there is a new band i try to support them by buying their CDs and going to concerts (which is where them make most of their money).

[g00fy_130]

I agree with the theory of "if a whole album was good, I'd buy it." Maybe if bands nowadays where any good, I'd buy the whole CD. We all know that bands don't make that much from album sales, it's all about merchandising!
This didn't seem to be a big deal when I was copying friends tapes as a kid...

[g00fy_130]

Oh, and I also like green beans!

[TC1223]

this is dumb. So, if I have a collection of 5,000 Cds at home and I download one song am I part of the 95% ?

*checked, fine*

[Godsmack_IV]

cds are too damn expensive, I had to dish out 25$ just to get Horizons by Parkway. For that price I should be able to get both their albums.

[RipleyMKH]

1158 people is not enough to claim a statement like that
How ignorant

[gnome_hovel7]

I have about 2000 dollars worth of CDs. It's expensive to do it the right way, but the record labels need to get paid. People can shut up about how bands don't really make any money on individual CD sales. I don't care if you want to buy merch so the BAND can get it instead of the LABEL, but you can still f*cking pay for your music. Record Label workers need the money, too!

[euan_soad]

atc228 wrote:

And about 80% also go out and buy a good cd when they want it.
Sure "95%" copy/download but the majority of those people ALSO go out and buy cd's too when they are worth it. People always overlook that fact. Granted, more songs and albums are downloaded as opossed to purchased but that is because:

a. the cd's can be too expensive. (10-15 bucks is fine with me but when they are more than that...)

b. 95% of the music out there isn't good enough to merit buying the album and supporting the band.

So maybe if albums were cheaper and, overall, BETTER, i think the music industry would be fine dealing with the internet downloads and non internet sharing. Granted, copying will never go away, but they would do fine monetarily if they just made the product better.

but that is just my opinion and rant...

I agree. This man speaketh sense!

[jackjohnson69]

im not gonna lie i do it to but i know i shouldnt people dont buy cds but i dont have the internet now so i ve got a huge collection of cds thats what everybody should have

[Lacebad]

bring back vinyl as the main format. i don't buy cds never liked them.i download. but i actually buy vinyl records.not that these cant be copied anyway but still. i'm 19 by the way

[gnome_hovel7]

That's what iTunes is for. If you want just one song, then buy JUST ONE SONG! Put that ONE SONG on a CD and enjoy. Just f*cking pay for it!

[gnome_hovel7]

The only albums that I've EVER downloaded are 'Cries of the Past' and 'Act of Depression' by Underoath, and that's only because there's no way to pay the record label and get the CD.

[gnome_hovel7]

It's also important to remember that if you're really into just "checking out a song", go to purevolume.com and listen to some of their tracks. If they want you to download it, they'll give you that option themselves. Otherwise, just stream it. NO DOWNLOADS!

[742627000017]

Im a pirate!Yahahargh...

[axis56]

id rather download illegally than take part in sonys new AD-tastic free music thing

SAY NO TO MIND RAPE

[axe_man]

i love it if you download a movie and it has a message saying you cant stop piracy arr! lol

[xheartbreakerx]

Guilty as charged!

I do buy CDs though. But sometimes I don't have the money and my friends have the CD. So... I just borrow it from them and burn it. I never pay for music. Except when I buy CDs that I can't find downloads for.

I know it's probably not the best.... but it's all I can do, really. I don't have the money to buy the music... so I support the band by reccomending them to all of my friends, etc. They THEY can buy the music. It makes up for my end. (I'm pretty smart, heh? lol)

checked.

[Skwisgar]

Am I like the only guy here who doesn't care about being paid for my music? sure it would be nice to get money for it, but for crying out loud...I would be happy if people were downloading my material...
But yes, the decent thing to do is to pay for the CD and support the band. It comes down to whether you think the decent thing is worth $30 a piece...

I would pay for Wintersun, and I did, and I would pay more than what I did for it because it's the best material I ever heard. But if a friend hadn't lent me the CD I never would have spent that much on a CD that very well could have been a piece of shit.

Strange that the music industry would allow so many commercial, no talent hacks into the market that it would actually eat it from the inside out, and these commercial no talent hacks will no longer be benefitting from a corrupt system. Maybe the next generation of musicians will suffer, but the one after will be better than ever, after all the real musicians who want to make music regardless of cost and inconvenience come out, and all the weeds have died out.

Bring on the music winter, I say.

[munkymanmatt]

is it just me or does nearly everyone here (apparently) pay for their music, even though the survey says only 5% of teens do? c'mon guys, quit lying, i hardly ever pay for my music, but that's cos all my money goes into my bike :p

[dieloony2]

wemonir wrote:
my sexual frustration controls every aspect of my life, especially my downloading habits

lolol.

But seriously, is the music industry really wonderin why people arn't buying their shit cds. Unless its a band you really like don't bother. but most cds have a couple good songs and a bunch of filler cuz there just trying to rush product out. That all its about with record companies.

And 18-25? So 15-17 year old kids don't download music? thats news to me.

[whitestrat279]

If you're gonna punish people for illegally downloading music, you should also punish the people who borrow cds and libraries who loan them.

[Andy2k64]

i borrow cds sometimes...but most of the time i end up buying the album anyway!

[brentondig]

The article read, "Three decades after cassette decks first allowed people to make free music tapes for friends, a study by the industry group British Music Rights suggests home copying remains just as ingrained in UK culture."
People copying cassette tapes 30 years ago didn't harm the music industry, so copying CDs likely won't either. All copying/downloading music does is frustrate the music industry.
And yeah, I download music, but if I like what I hear, then I buy it. Too bad there's a lot of stuff that sounds the same out there.

[nugiboy]

munkymanmatt wrote:

is it just me or does nearly everyone here (apparently) pay for their music, even though the survey says only 5% of teens do? c'mon guys, quit lying, i hardly ever pay for my music, but that's cos all my money goes into my bike :p

yeh i have to agree on that.

[phenom1991]

I try to buy music whenever possible. I haven't downloaded music in ages.

[inferi596]

that number's a little low...

[inferi596]

i have to admit though, i've been buying a lot more of my music because i want to support these bands.

[snave2008]

ok....
artists are still making PLENTY of money....
(if they are worried about money that much anyway)
but even if so, people are still listening to the music.

thats better than nothing.

[mercurymay]

LET'S GO RADIOHEAD AND NINE INCH NAILS FOR UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEIR CONSUMERS WANT.

[Quicksand15]

I still buy CD's, but basically just because I really enjoy the art packages by bands like Tool or NIN.

I can understand everyone who downloads music, because cd's are too expensive, especially if records by a certain band aren't availible elsewhere. but I hate the fact that many many people just pick a few tracks from an album and neglect the other ones.

Nine Inch Nails are doing well with their new CD "Ghosts": you can purchase the CD or download it legally with very good quality.
Thats in my opinion the best way to support the artists, not the businessmen of record companies

[Inahrima]

Dear god. Now cops are gonna knock my door down because I let my mate listen to some of my CD's?!

[bigshoes=]

am i the one of the few that think if the CD is good enough ill buy it? yes i download but i would never download a whole album. i usually get one or two and if i like, and i have the money, ill buy it

[Ichimaru]

Without downloads, I would never have heard of most of the bands I like. If I had heard of them, I obviously wouldn't buy their merchandise or go to their concerts. Instead I'd be listening to 50 Cent and Kate Nash who have no discernible talent whatsoever.
'sexually frustrated 17-year-olds' can't afford to be spending £10-15 per album, shelling out to go to random gigs in the hope that they might find something they like. The Government goes on about trying to get kids to stay on to college instead of going off to work, but how are we meant to get the money to buy the CDs they try to stop us from downloading if we don't have a job?
Maybe we should get a few free music downloads per week/month for staying on to higher education.

[Lgndkllr777]

wemonir wrote:

my sexual frustration controls every aspect of my life, especially my downloading habits

Thats the first thing I noticed too when i read this.

[MonsterOfRock]

That servey is ignorant. People still buy CDs. Its not like the music stores in the shopping mall are deserted.

Now I have 1659 songs in my Winamp library, and I don't keep Artists/Albums I dont listen to. And very much all the songs were downloaded at some point. Then I bought the albums I really liked and have about 50 albums since I got into music.

So you see, good albums still make money from its admirers, bad ones usually don't. Isn't that only fair?

[t-rose]

Here's the thing, I will buy a CD I'll like with little to no hesitation. But how do I know if I'm going to like it if I don't download some stuff by the artist first. or borrow and copy my friends CD and go "oh hey, this is sweet, i should buy it.."

Yeah. Exactly. This is an age of technology. Downloading/copying/whatevering music probably means I buy oh twice or three times the amount of albums then I would otherwise.

[classicrocker10]

i generally don't download music when i'm sexually frustrated. but i guess i'm part of the 5 percent who buys music. i havent downloaded something in over 2 years. i don't see the need. with places like half.com and ebay you can find CD's for reasonable prices.

[Taal]

This just in: Kids like music but can't afford to buy every CD they want to hear.

I also share my CD collection with a friend, we're both adults, and we combine for over 1000 CDs easily. We also make have our own version of all the great albums by our favourite artists. Should we have to buy every album we own twice so that we can both enjoy the music?

[JRS890]

I guess I am one of those"sexually frustrated 17-year-olds" downloading music. Bash me if you want but I can't afford to go out and buy cds that are 20 bucks.

These music industries don't know how to market to these "sexually frustrated 17-year-olds" who can't get a fulltime job in some places because of there age so paychecks may consist of $300. Let me use my pay check for example:
In a 2 week time period i Spend $100 on gas for my car.
Maybe 50 dollars to go see these bands in 2 weeks.
Don't forget the money I spend on getting a concert shirt (because I collect tour shirts) that is a range of $20 - $45.
Lets not forget food and water $50.
And lets not forget I'm trying to save money that way I can afford my car.

I pay to see these bands, I pay for there shirts, I support artists just about all the way by going to see them and buying a shirt that costs more than the cd. I do buy cds from bands that are less known like Warbringer, Merciless Death, Nihilist, etc. at shows. I dont like paying for cds from bands like iron maiden, acdc, metallica because they don't need more money unlike me.

[atc228]

I think I should have added a few things to my earlier post.

If you like the music that you download, I would say you should go support the band (either buying the album or going to shows, but preferably both...)

If you don't like the music you should delete it... why would you keep music on your hard drive that you wouldn't listen to or that sucked? it is just a waste of space.... (although I am guilty of keeping stuff I don't like and I probably should get rid of that stuff... but admitting to a problem is the first step in solving it haha.)

[cj878]

Congrats on figuring something out everyone knew 8 years ago.

And like everyone says why spend $18 on a CD that has 1 good song and 14 trash ones.

I've bought 1 cd in the past 6 years, but i have 2000+ songs on my Ipod.

[snackpaksays]

guilty

[J.J.G.]

95% copy illegally
5% also do it but lied to this guys....

[alfonzo99]

To be honest, i only ever download 1 song at a time if a friend tells me the band are good and if i like it ill buy the album. Its rare for me to download a whole album.

[LPChild94]

Its funny reading this after you just agreed to give your friend a copy of Radiohead's Airbag EP...

[LPChild94]

mercurymay wrote:

LET'S GO RADIOHEAD AND NINE INCH NAILS FOR UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEIR CONSUMERS WANT.

My neighbor just let me have a copy of The Bends 10 minutes ago XD

[dgme92]

We need to rethink the way the whole music industry works anyway, as far as sales are concerned. This wouldn't be a huge problem if albums were cheaper, like maybe €10/€15 MAX. Believe it or not, I saw a copy of NIN's 'The Fragile' album for €30 on Saturday. Tell me that isn't robbery. Go on, lie to me and yourself. I know that people would look into buying albums again if they eren't so expensive anymore. Joe Satriani records are going for roughly €25 here. That's crazy.

[qotsa1998]

IMO, one of the easiest ways to combat this problem is to lower CD prices. My dad just bought the new Billy Bragg CD, and even tho it is a 2-disc, it was $27! And this isnt a new problem, borrowing music and then copying it. As soon as blank tapes and tape recorders came out, people basically did the same thing. For some odd reason, the RIAA is only now realizing this problem, when other financial and legal problems are arising.

[dwink1217]

want to know what the idiot who took this survey missed?

how many of those people also buy.

sure they asked people "did you ever copy music from a friend". want to know what they didn't? "have you ever gone out and bought a cd".

they're using a rediculously one sided survey to show an abnormally one sided result.

sure i've copied a good cd on my comp from my friend. but i've also bought a good cd.

welcome to the world of journalism :|

[InTheFlesh!]

"...with estimates suggesting only one in 20 digital downloads is paid for"

One in twenty is actually a lot more than I expected, that can't possibly be right.

[alfonzo99]

Walternativo :
95% download music. Other 5% only download porn.

Haha. Shouldnt that be the other way around??

[kennyvspenny]

yes, but only 80% of teenagers illegally paste music.

weird.

[silent assasin]

i buy music but i always burn for people

[CJRocker]

Boo ****ing who people have traded cassette tape copies since the 80s.

[TBezza]

They didnt ask me, so its technically untrue.

[DrMarsh]

i cant believe that the music industry is bitching about this, even with all the illegal downloading, they still make a pretty damn good salary. you show me a rock band popular enough to have their stuff downloaded who is going broke because of this, and ill be the first person to go out and actually buy their cd

[kurtshapedbox]

it says 95% of teenagers illegally copy music....not that they dont ALSO buy CD's. Most music fans still do.

[true_bacon22]

This is good kinda coz this means you have to put more effort in to being good in real life.

[mattyp90]

And 95% of bands like it that people want to listen to their music.
TBH, if I was able to make a living off my band, I wouldn't care how people got my music, the more the merrier.

[Fuzzbox91]

i do everyrhing, i try to limit internet downloading but i see no problem in CD trading or burning. If i like a band enough ill buy their CD, Ozzy Osbourne, THe Who, Black Sabbath, Rush, Arch Enemy, Behemoth, Metallica, Megadeth, Guns n Roses, Pink Floyd, and many many more have all recieved money from me. Many bands cough*metallica*cough have actually gotten big from tape trading and copying.

[beeboshain]

and...

[rtbsmgsmf]

i dont see a problem in me or my friend buying a cd, and letting the other borrow it.

[Chickenfrmheck]

i know i do, and as long as i don't make money off it or cause harm to anyone or anything i don't feel bad about it one bit.

but seriously, you know how like, up tight and no fun these people sound? i mean really. let people enjoy music, don't be all nazi-like about it.

[rage6945]

i gave up on cd's when i discovered bit torrent.... i dont care what any of you say, your missing out. if you limit yourself to buying music, unless your rich, your limiting yourself to discovering sooooo much music you would never know about.
and its not like limewire, song by song and filled with viruses. i download music by the album

[lzrdsixsix6]

ha looks like 5% of teenagers are liars

[Farether]

well, what a surprise...

[Farether]

lzrdsixsix6 wrote:

ha looks like 5% of teenagers are liars

Muhaha, +1!

[AiCPearlJam]

Who's the *******s that say music is worth any kind of money anyways?

[KingOfTheRyche]

Woot! Illegal music ftw! Lol jk... Personally i like having the cds and supporting my favorite bands.. just me...

[bls4life8]

i only download music
when its a hard cd song or band to find something by

[ArcherTheVMan]

why only teenagers..?

[Thienskater]

i download some songs before i decide to go out and buy the actual cd.

[Skuzzmo]

All the bands I follow and support I will buy their CD's/merchandise etc, etc... got to really. Other music that I download of bands I don't follow and I'm just got a passing interest in....well it doesn't really matter cos I wouldn't have bought their CD anyway if I. BAsically not gonna fork out 15/20 notes for a CD i'll not like.

[MustangMan311]

I download music, and if the CD is good enough, I'll buy it. I buy more band merch than the actual music, since they obviously get more profit from that.

[therescue06]

i only download music from a band that was recomended to me. if i enjoy the band, then i will buy their cds and support them.

[TheStruction]

Um, isn't legal to swap CD's? :P

[Dingoman]

woo-hoo,im in the 5% of people who care about the artist!

[Skuzzmo]

Dingoman wrote:

woo-hoo,im in the 5% of people who care about the artist!

Woo-hoo you're one of the 5% who pay a shit load of money to a record label

[Lasyk]

i get music fom my friends, ONLY if i dont have any money to go and buy the CD, im only 14 and im tryin to get a job, as soon as i get a job im buying all the bands CD's that ive got music from :P and deleting the copied music! cuz i am against downloading

[fleh]

,.....yes and 78% of people will invent stats on teh spot to make themselves sound intelligent.....

[mgstatic]

i hate this crap

im working on a career in music and this is really hurting the music industry. gonna make it alot harder

[thame2010]

atc228 wrote:

And about 80% also go out and buy a good cd when they want it.
Sure "95%" copy/download but the majority of those people ALSO go out and buy cd's too when they are worth it. People always overlook that fact. Granted, more songs and albums are downloaded as opossed to purchased but that is because:

a. the cd's can be too expensive. (10-15 bucks is fine with me but when they are more than that...)

b. 95% of the music out there isn't good enough to merit buying the album and supporting the band.

So maybe if albums were cheaper and, overall, BETTER, i think the music industry would be fine dealing with the internet downloads and non internet sharing. Granted, copying will never go away, but they would do fine monetarily if they just made the product better.

but that is just my opinion and rant...

Totally agree.
I download A LOT of mp3's. But I always buy a DVD or CD of the artists that I truly like to support them. And, if it wasn't for mp3 downloads there's a 99% chance I won't have discovered any of this greatest musicians I support.
So I say, mp3 downloads are fine, as long as you support those artists you like. If you don't, then you did good as you didn't have to waste your money on a CD you'd later realize wasn't much of your liking.

And sorry for my english

[MXFNCK]

get over it. I wouldnt have seen 50% of the bands ive seen live if it wasnt for the music ive downloaded. they dont make any money from selling albums anyway. the only people that get rich from album sales is the ****ing people from the record lables